169. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.: How to Fix America’s Health Crisis as HHS Secretary

The food that we're eating is not food anymore.

It's a food-like substance that was manufactured or created in laboratories.

It is not nutrient-dense, it's nutrient-anemic.

And you're not releasing any GLP-1, you're not getting any satiation.

You're not nutrient-dense, so your body's not saying, Hey, I'm full, I'm satiated, I should stop eating.

The tobacco companies would mimic the tastes of things that are very appetizing.

They would do it with chemical compounds, and they switched to doing that for food.

And they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body.

Well, we have an agency that stands between us and those people so those things would never make it into the food supply.

The FDA was no longer serving the public interest or public health.

It had ceased being a public health agency.

That's the difficult part for an agency like yours to get into the private sector.

First of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer.

And they advertise all these drugs on television.

The person who's going to get the bill for that drug is my agency.

There's so much going on in the media and in this Make America Healthy Again movement, what they can expect to see from a public policy perspective.

Chronic disease is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of health care.

The etiology ultimately of all that disease

is

ultimate human.

Hey guys, this is Gary Brackett, and I'm telling you, today truly is a very, very special podcast.

I know very often I'll say, this is my favorite guest, or I'm really excited to have this guest on, but this particular guest has a very special place in my heart, and he's going to have a very special place in your heart too, because of the level of conviction that this man has to make an impact on humanity.

And by that, I mean, I don't care what side of the political aisle you're on.

We all should be on the side of the future of our children.

And Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

is someone I've looked up to for a long time since I really

understood his mission.

And when you look at the broken healthcare system in America, we spend four and a half trillion dollars a year on health care.

We lead the world in six major categories, infant mortality, maternal mortality, morbid obesity, type 2 diabetes, multiple chronic disease in a single biome.

And I don't think anyone, including myself, knows the exact reason why.

It's so multifactorial.

You know, why do we have the highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history?

Why do we have such a parabolic explosion in autism, learning disorders, ADD, ADHD, OCD, manic depression, bipolar?

And why are these things affecting younger and younger ages?

Why do we have metabolic syndrome, which was reserved for people in their 50s and their 60s and even their 70s?

Why do do we have it in our teenage population now?

You know, I've raised four children, and I know many of you watching this are parents, and you have to have a concern.

What kind of environment, what kind of world is my child growing up in?

What's going to happen to them when they get to the public school system?

Not how are they educated, but how are they fed?

How's their biome being cared for?

What is their pediatrician doing every time that they put a vaccine on the schedule?

Do they know the safety and efficacy of that?

And so today's podcast, I'm I'm recording this intro after the podcast because I wanted to just tell you how impactful it was, how he was able to break down the corruption in our nutritional research and the corruption in our food supply and the influence that big food and big pharma has over our public policy, the policy that determines how your children are fed, how your children are taught.

and what our healthcare system covers and doesn't cover.

Why are we so pro chemicals, synthetics, and pharmaceuticals?

And why have we gotten away from things like peptides and whole foods and exercise and vitamins and minerals and amino acids and nutrients?

The thing that God gave us to make us thrive rather than the thing that man makes us to make us sick.

And he did such a good job of describing the dependency that our sick care system has created.

You know, sadly, so many Americans, tens of millions of them, are dependent on the system.

We don't independently have our own healthcare choices because we walk down the aisles and the food that we're consuming is actually what's leading to the medication that's required to treat the conditions from this causal relationship between food and chemicals and health.

And so I really hope that you enjoy this podcast today.

You know, Bobby came to my house.

to join me at the UFC fights and to talk about some of, you know, what we could do together to help make America healthy again.

And I just grabbed them and brought them in the room and I sat them down for this podcast.

And it was one of the most authentic, genuine podcasts I've ever done because I really felt the intention of this man.

And I think you will too.

And no matter what side of the aisle you're on, I think you will draw some inspiration from this because we are about to have a healthier, happier, more thriving America.

So without further ado, please welcome Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

I'm your host, human biologist gary breca where we go down the road of everything anti-aging biohacking longevity and everything in between and today was a giant surprise i spoke this morning at the health optimization summit in austin texas boarded the plane shot over to here to head to the ufc fights and i'm joined um by a very prominent figure in the space the leader and the head of the maha movement none other than Mr.

Bobby Kennedy Jr.

himself.

Thank you for coming on the podcast.

I'm happy to be here with you finally.

I'm happy to have you.

We've had like a really kind of an amazing time so far, you know, with the hyperbaric chambers.

And

we basically did some nutritional IVs.

And then we just decided to come in the podcast room and chop it up a little bit.

So there's so much going on in

the media and in this Make America Healthy Again movement in this space.

I'd love for you to share with the audience what you are most excited about right now and what they can expect to see from a public policy perspective, a legislative perspective, to

show that real change is coming.

Yeah.

So President Trump named me as

Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Yes.

Congratulations, by the way.

The biggest agency of government.

It's twice the size of the Pentagon.

It's got a $1.9 trillion budget.

Wow.

And, you know, the irony of that is we spend more on healthcare in this country than any other country in the world per capita, two to three times what most European countries spend.

And yet we have the worst health of any country in the world.

We have the highest chronic disease burden on earth.

And that,

as you know, bleeds over into infectious disease, which has been really

infectious disease has been the focus of most federal expenditures in terms of research.

Chronic disease

is the destination of most federal expenditures in terms of care.

We have a sick care system in our country,

and

the etiology ultimately of all that disease is corruption.

And it's the capture of these agencies by the industries they're supposed to regulate.

Those industries, the pharmaceutical industry and the medical cartel,

have transformed NIH, CDC, FDA, and ultimately CMS, which administers in Medicare,

into essentially sock puppets for the industry

and profit centers.

And they've commoditized the American public and turned us all into patients.

Yeah.

Profitable patients.

Yeah, it's been very profitable for them.

When my uncle was president, I was a 10-year-old boy.

And

during that era, we spent zero on chronic disease at that time in history.

There really were no cure.

The first.

The first treatment for chronic disease was, ironically, it was the pill.

Yeah.

It was the first time you took a pill you know regularly well the first the first treatment for chronic disease was the pill what well yeah it was the first kind of long-term treatment that you took over a prolonged period of time

and we spent when my uncle was president we spent zero on chronic disease in this country wow today we spend on today it's one point probably 1.6 or 7 trillion dollars a year it's about 90 of our health care budget and we are we have the highest chronic disease burden of any country in the world.

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During COVID,

we have the highest death rate of any country in the world.

So we

had 16% of the COVID deaths and we only have 4.2% of the world's population.

But we literally had the worst record of any country in the world.

And it's a wonder that people are getting awards and recognition and kudos for managing COVID.

Whatever we were doing, it was utterly wrong.

And if you ask CDC, you know, why did we die at higher rates?

We died at rates that were, in some cases like Haiti had a death rate.

Hey, if you remember at the beginning of the pandemic, we were told the poor countries of Africa are going to be devastated by this because they can't get a hold of the vaccines.

I mean, Haiti is the poorest country in the hemisphere.

It had a 1.3% vaccination rate.

So virtually nobody got a vaccine.

Right.

They had a COVID rate of 14 deaths per million population.

We had a death rate of 3,000 per million population.

American Blacks had a death rate of probably 3 600 per million population that is incredible we had 200 times death rate of haiti we had 200 times death rate of nigeria which had a 1.4 percent vaccination rate oh and there's other reasons for that those are younger populations which were less affected by covet deaths

they're out in the sun more and they've got a lot of other you know advantages in that situation but

You know, there's something wrong with our country.

Africa is a whole at about 360.

there were high morbidity death uh tied to deficiencies in vitamin d3 um yeah

there was a direct inverse correlation between vitamin d saturation and uh and covid and covet mortality yeah so i mean and we're the only country in the world that has and in history of the world

where obesity is also correlated with malnutrition.

So we have, you know, because the food that we're eating is not food anymore.

It's a food-like substance.

And a lot of it was that was manufactured or created in laboratories.

And that no longer

is not nutrient dense.

It's nutrient anemic.

And, you know, I was, I watched this happen because I was part of the tobacco litigation

back in the late 1980s.

And the tobacco companies at that point were the most cash-rich companies in the world.

They were the richest in terms of their cash resources.

It was an immensely profitable industry.

And

the litigation and the and the advertising that began taking place at that time.

What timeframe is this?

This is the late 80s, the early 90s.

So the tobacco industry saw that the writing was on the wall, that they were facing regulatory headwinds, that their consumers

were sloughing off.

And they began to diversify.

And they diversified into the food industry.

So by by 19, by the mid-90s, the two biggest food companies in the world were R.J.

Reynolds and Philip Morris.

That is astounding.

And theybacco companies, thousands of scientists

that were involved,

whose job it was to figure out ways to create, to make tobacco more addictive and more attractive.

And they switched to doing that for food.

And they started developing all of these chemicals that hijack your brain and trick your body well they would mimic the the tastes of things that are very appetizing and they would do it with chemical compounds intentionally intentionally to attract your taste buds to uh to to you know to make them palatable and and appetizing and attractive and

and your body eats those things but you know so there's a strawberry flavor but there's no nutrition in it there's no strawberry and your body thinks oh, I'm eating a strawberry.

I'm craving a strawberry.

But you're eating it and you're not getting any of the nutrition.

And you're not releasing any GLP-1.

You're not getting any satiation.

You know, you're not, you're not nutrient dense.

So your body's not saying, hey, I'm full.

I'm satiated.

I should stop eating.

You're eating, you know, it's chemicals, so there's no nutrients in it.

And so your body is getting starved.

And at the same time, you're getting fat because you never, you know, you're never satisfied.

You know, your body knows it's not being fed.

Then they started putting stuff in food to make it more addictive, like sodiums and sugars.

And they also put stuff in food

that deliberately tricked your brain into thinking that your stomach wasn't full.

So one of the things they figured out was that your brain actually gauges the fullness of your belly by

counting the number of times you chewed.

So there's a, there's, there's some part of your brain that is saying, okay, if he chewed a certain amount, he must be full.

And so they started putting food softeners into the food.

Wow.

Make it so that you had to chew less.

You know, if you eat a Twinkie, you don't even have to chew it.

You can inhale it.

Right.

Wow.

It's so insane to think that it's that sinister.

And I think the sad thing, and I don't mean to derail you, is that it's one thing to concoct this whole, contrive this whole mechanism of creating toxicity and chemicals to mimic flavorings, to circumvent satiety and whatnot.

But I think where it goes lost on the public is they go, well, we have an agency that stands between us and those people.

So those things would never make it into the food supply.

You know, my uncle, Ted Kennedy, conducted hearings in 1970 about agency capture at FDA.

And at that time, the conclusion of that hearing is that the FDA was no longer serving the public interest, it was, or public health.

It had ceased being a public health agency.

It was now an agency whose primary focus was maximizing corporate profit taking.

And,

you know, one of the, and I can point to 100

of those examples of agency capture, but probably the one most familiar to the American public.

Because there was two, you know, big Netflix documentaries on it, one of them called Dope Sick, is the, it was the opioid epidemic,

where people from Sackler, the Sackler family that owned Purdue Pharmaceuticals, captured a FDA official

and persuaded him to eliminate the warnings about the addiction and

to say that oxycodone on the manufacturer's insert was not addictive.

Wow.

And

you could argue that as a direct result of that, a million young Americans die.

We're losing over 100,000 young people every year from drug overdoses.

And to put that in perspective, during the 20-year Vietnam War, we lost 56,000 American kids.

We're losing double that number every year from opioid addiction and overdoses.

That's insane.

And that is a direct result of agency capture and agency corruption.

And what we're trying to do now at the agency, which we're doing,

is we brought in extraordinary leaders

who are now going to do, make sure that we do good science, gold standard science, which was what those agencies used to do.

And that we're going to purge the entire agency of conflicts of interest.

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That is massive, though.

I mean, with a budget that size, with that voluminous amount of a payroll, without amount of entrenchment, right?

I mean, I've got to think that a lot of these people are not going without a net of bomb.

Yeah, well, that's where Doge came in, really, is that

we offered initially, we offered a buyout for anybody who wanted to leave.

And we made clear that people should leave if they didn't share this new mission.

And we got

a lot of people left the agency.

And, you know, then we came back and there's tremendous duplication in the agencies, tremendous redundancies.

We had 100 comms departments.

We have 40 IT departments, 40 procurement departments,

and on and on.

And

so we were reorganizing the agency to consolidate those things.

One, to eliminate the redundancy and streamline the agency.

Most importantly, to redirect and recalibrate its course

so that everybody there knows that every day, if you want your job, you've got to wake up in the morning and be thinking, how am I going to end the chronic disease epidemic today?

Yeah.

And so everybody's going to be clear on that mission.

And,

you know,

We think that we're going to make a huge difference in the first year, but over four years, we'll be able to correct the course.

God bless you, man.

And God bless that mission, because I think when you become a purpose-driven agency and not a profit, you know, protecting agency, and I know that these government agencies are not driven for profit per se, but a lot of these officials move from the public sector into the private sector.

It's obvious once you start to peel back the layers of the onion that if you're a regulator and your responsibility is enforcement of a private industry that you have a known job job offer in, where you can move from being a government official that's going to make a few hundred thousand dollars a year into private industry where you're going to make a few million dollars a year.

It's hard to not point to that as a conflict of interest.

And seven of the eight FDA, recent FDA commissioners have immediately gone to work for industry.

The CDC, the longest recent, longest reigning recent

CDC director, Julie Gerberting, who dramatically increased the vaccine schedule and added billions of dollars a year in revenue to Merck,

went over to become the president or the vice president of Merck.

That is a sad thing.

And, you know, and that's typical.

You see lower level

division and branch chiefs in the agency also, you know, they

sort of the common cores is that they work at the agency until their pensions vest.

And then they move on to industry.

So the last three or four years that they're at the agency, they're doing a lot of favors for industry and they're letting a lot of things go by.

Because they're about to make that move.

And they want a soft landing at one of these companies.

And their example then drives the,

it infiltrates all the lower strata of the agency because they see the boss doing this.

And they think this is the way that it's done and you come to culture not going along.

But there's a hundred other mechanisms for agency capture.

And, you know, those come from appropriations through the Congress.

It comes from reactions to the press all the major institutions of our society have been uh captured by the industry the press now gets uh get you know the the the mainstream television networks and some roger ailes told me one time that 75 of his advertising revenues on the evening news divisions were pharmaceutical ads i i believe that just by observation you know just as i mean you're watching

brought brought to you by pfizer brought to you by pfizer if you eliminate big food and and pharma from

ever, I mean, just, you know, if you're all bankrupt.

It wouldn't have been scrumble.

You know, those companies are doing that partially because the evening news is very attractive to drug companies because young people don't watch news.

It's all older people, and those are their customers.

They're people who are taking all this whole, you know, arsenal, this battery of drugs, but they also do it to control content.

Yeah.

That's why you see defense contractors advertising on, you know, Good Morning America.

Nobody is going to buy

a Tomahawk missile on who's watching Good Morning America.

But they advertise because they want to control the content.

If you look at

Anderson Cooper or,

you know, any of these or Lester Holt or Jake Tapper, their salaries are being, their paycheck is being paid by the network.

Right.

But their salaries are actually coming from pharmaceutical companies, and they know that.

And they know that they can't, that they got to toe the line, and they got to say,

got to frighten us all about

infectious disease.

They got to

make us all do the, you know, comply with

the pharmaceutical mandates.

And they're not giving us the real news.

They're not asking the questions that they ought to be asking.

There's no skepticism.

And if you look at these news shows like the 60 Minutes or even Anderson or Sanjay Gupta, yeah from 20 years ago they were saying yeah there's problems with this you know with vaccines or these other drugs right they will never do that today you know that that to me seems like the

that's the difficult part for an agency like yours to get into the private sector and effectuate the the private sector that way unless of course there was some kind of executive order that disallowed pharma from advertising directly to the people yeah and

which do you see a day where that could be a possibility there's a bad supreme court case recently that equated pharmaceutical advertising with freedom of speech and gave it endowed it with a limited First Amendment protection.

There's still things that we can do and we're working on that.

So we think that we're going to be able to do something, but I'm not going to talk more about that.

Okay.

And the issue here that people

understand, because a lot of the people who support us are for freedom of speech.

They're, you know, absolutely.

But this is a very different issue because,

first of all, the pharmaceutical companies are advertising products that are being paid for by the taxpayer.

And they advertise all these drugs on television.

The person who's going to get the bill for that drug is my agency.

And the taxpayer is going to end up paying for it.

If you're

selling cereal or Coke or something that might not be so good for you.

At least you know the consumer is paying for that themselves, except if they're getting it from the snaps.

And we're going to end that.

Yeah, I heard 25 states now have

legislation to get sodas off a snap.

And some of them are looking at candy and other stuff.

Yeah.

$10 billion, I heard, of the $120 billion roughly of the SNAP program.

So it's a huge revenue for these companies.

And

listen, if you want to buy a Coke, you should be able to do it.

You're in America.

You can do what you want.

The taxpayers should not be paying for it.

This is a nutrition program.

And when 10% of the money is going for something that has no nutrients in it,

it's not a good outcome.

The other thing about pharmaceutical ads

is the company gets a tax deduction on them.

We're paying for the ads and we're paying for the product.

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And so, you know, I mean, when you think about that, it's just, it's, it's mind numbering.

We're paying for the ads and we're paying for the product.

Just as you said my agency,

and we're paying for all the diseases that that product is causing.

Yeah.

And so it's different than any other kind of product and it's regulated differently.

And those, you know,

those regulations, you know, a drug company does not have carte blash from

FAA to advertise any product it wants.

And have there, there are conditions that we can place on it.

And, you know, those are some of the things that we're looking at.

Yeah, it's fantastic.

I mean, it's probably safe to say that your popularity amongst those, some of those agencies has dropped.

Do you?

Well, I have never never been popular with those agencies.

I mean, the agencies used to do a good job.

When I was a kid, you know,

NIH was the gold standard science agency in the world.

FDA was the gold standard regulator.

And in fact, there were a lot of, at that time, this early 60s, there were a lot of countries in,

particularly in Africa, and were getting their freedom for the first time from colonial rule.

And they were writing constitutions.

And, you know, none of them could afford to have their own regulators, their health regulators or research institutions and so a lot of them said in their constitution if FDA says it's okay then it's okay in our country as well so there was this broad faith in American science and

American regulatory integrity at that point around the world I agree that no longer exists yeah people now are very skeptical of our science and uh and our regulatory agencies and what we want to do over the next four years is restore global faith in american research.

And do you do that by, I mean, to really address the corruption in nutritional research, do you do that by actually having taxpayer-funded independent research that is what is influencing public policy and disallow the private sector from funding nutritional research, especially that would actually have an impact on public policy?

Yeah, I mean, there's two things.

One is that NIH science, the NIH has $46 billion that it allocates to science every year.

And it does that through a a grant system that gives grants to 56,000 researchers all around the world, mostly in the United States and a lot in Canada as well.

And unfortunately, that system has been corrupted through a number of different factors.

So that people who get the money tend to be people who have been approved by the industry through a variety of levers.

And they are part of an old boys' network that knows what they can say and what they can't say and what they can research and what they can't.

And they're not going to research anything that with the results may diminish corporate profits.

The other thing is there's no replication.

So there's a huge incentive to cheat on your science.

So

if you go to your funder with a hypothesis and say, this is what I believe, here's how I'm going to prove it.

And it's going to be an important decision.

And then the science does not.

confirm that hypothesis.

That's science.

Yes.

When the hypothesis work in your favor.

When it's a null hypothesis, that's science and ought to be published.

And it doesn't get published.

And because it's private funded, we can say, if it doesn't go my favor, I'm not going to alter it.

I'm just not going to publish it.

We'll redo the study.

We'll change it.

But the private funding is coming from industry.

So they cheat.

I mean, we call those guys biostatutes

because

they, you know, they know what the outcome is and they write the outcome before they write the study in many cases.

But that also happens in the public sphere.

And so what we're going to do, and it happens because they know there's going to be no replication.

A lot of times the data sets are private.

You know, you buy United Healthcare data sets.

They're only selling to you.

So you can't publish them.

And so there's no replication.

And if you know there's going to be no effort at replicating your study, you have a huge incentive to have no question.

And so what we're going to do is we're going to devote probably 20% of NIH's budget to replication.

Every study has to be replicated.

We're going to publish the peer review for the first time.

We're probably going to stop publishing in the Lancet, New England Journal of Medicine, JAMA, and those other journals because they're all corrupt.

And even the heads of those journals, like Marsh Engel, who for 20 years was the head of the New England Journal of Medicine, says that this, that we no longer are a science journal.

We are a vessel for pharmaceutical propaganda.

No kidding.

Because they control the journals.

They buy the preprints, right?

Which is, and they, they finance you.

If you want to publish a journal, you have to pay $10,000 to get the study published.

So the pharmaceutical company concocts a study that shows the outcome that they want, that statins work or that

SSRIs work, you know, and then they'll publish that.

They pay to get that published.

And they order reprints from the journal.

The reprints, as you know,

are a it's a five or six page document that has the logo of the journal on it.

They sell them for enormous profits, and then they give them to the pharmaceutical reps.

The hot-looking girls and

odd-looking guys who go to the doctor's office, take them out to lunch, give them the preprint to say, this product works.

Why don't you prescribe 500 times during the next month?

And then I'll be back here to see you, right?

With all these kind of implied promises of what's going to happen.

And that's how this system works.

That is just astounding.

And so what we're going to do is change the system and say you can't you know richard horton was the head of of uh the lancet

who really disgraced himself during covet with the you know the lancet letter and all this i remember but um but he says the same thing he says yeah we're not we are no longer science journals we are about promoting pharmaceutical products and that's what we do so

Unless these journals change dramatically, we are going to stop NIH scientists from publishing there.

And we're going to create our own journals in-house in each of the institutions.

And they will become the preeminent journals.

And they're going to become the preeminent journals.

Because if you get NIH funding, it is anointing you as a good, legitimate scientist.

I love that, that now our public policy research institutions can actually be the hallmarks of

properly conducted research and a place that we can actually rely on information.

There is nothing I hate more than having to divert this podcast.

I know we've got a UFC fight that we're going going to.

First of all, this was totally spontaneous.

You know, you came to my house today before the fights and we had some fun biohacking with you and your family.

And, you know, by the grace of God, you agreed to come in and sit down with me for a few minutes.

And I know that my audience and the market really appreciates it.

But, Robert Kennedy, you are doing God's work.

And

there are a lot of people in this country that are praying for you and for your success and,

you know, praying for you to stay strong and stay on your purpose and and your passion and your mission.

I was particularly touched by

your testimony to Congress when you were going through your hearings.

And one of the comments that you made,

which I think just exacerbated your conviction to helping heal America, was how you woke up every morning and you dropped to your knees and you prayed for the opportunity that

God would give you to be in the position that you're in now.

Now here you are.

And

it's a great honor to just sit across from you and have gotten a moment to ask you a few questions.

I know that my industry, myself, my platform, all of the like-minded influencers, and virtually everyone that I talk to in this country is behind you.

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and you know i thank you for what you're doing and we're going to end the war at fda against alternative medicine you know the war on stem cells the war on chelating drugs the war on peptides the war on uh

uh anything that you know is not going to make it music to my ears

the war on vitamins yeah

vitamins minerals amino acids nutrients yeah peptides i mean these things that can heal humanity our position is that fda has a job which is to do the science on these kind of issues and then tell the public what they've learned from the science, but not tell people and not tell physicians what they can and cannot prescribe.

Yes.

And that if you want to take an experimental drug, that, you know, you can do that.

You ought to be able to do that.

You shouldn't have to go to Antigua.

You shouldn't have to go to Antigua to get stem cells, which I had to do for my throat.

Right.

And they helped me enormously.

Why did I have to go to Antigua for that?

You know, we don't want to have the Wild West.

We want to make sure that information is out there, but we also want to respect the intelligence of the American people, you know,

the capacity of people who explore the outcomes that are going to benefit them the most.

And of course, you're going to get a lot of charlatans and you're going to get, you know, people who

have bad results.

But ultimately, you can't prevent that either way.

And leaving the whole thing in the hands of pharma is not working for us.

You know, Peter Gosha, who was one of the founders of the Cochrane Collaboration, one of the great scientists in the world, and

he just did

a study recently that showed that the third largest cause of death in this country after heart attacks and cancer are pharmaceutical drugs.

Wow.

Yeah, modern era.

Medical.

Well, for people to say, oh, we have to be very careful about nutrients and vitamins.

It's a sounding term.

And that people may misuse them or stem cells or hyperbaric chambers.

For people to, for, you know, it's not the government's purview to tell people they cannot have access to those things because what they're giving us access in the narrow range of drugs that they want to,

products that they want to restrict us to, are not making us healthier.

You ought to rely on democracy and the good sense of the American people and the drive that we all have to take care of ourselves and God's gift to us of a healthy body that has its own set of defenses that we need to respect.

We had a great conversation about this today, you know, about the greatest pharmacy, you know, in the world is right here and the power that this has over this.

Bobby Kinney, I hope you'll come back and we can continue to chop this up when we have some more time.

I know we're heading out to the fights right now and Trump's messing up our whole evening because they're closing the roads on us right before the UFC fights in Miami tonight.

But God bless you.

Thank you for coming on the ultimate human.

Thank you for having me.

You're very welcome.

What does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

I mean, I think for all of us, it means to live up to our potential, the potential that God gave us.

And, you know, I've said this, you know, a number of times that a healthy person has a thousand dreams.

A sick person only has one.

And right now, 60% of the people in this country have only a single dream.

And none of us, you know, our country cannot achieve its promise as an exemplary nation.

And the promise of giving everybody who lands here the American dream, the potential to fulfill their own potential if they're all sick all the time.

So, I think what we need to do is

to dial back, have a healthy population, and then let people make up their own choices about how they want to run their lives.

Yeah.

Well, God bless you.

There you have it.

That's the definition of the ultimate human.

Till next time, that's just science.