149. Kayla Barnes: The Science of Female Biohacking - Gut Health, Toxins, and Menstrual Cycles

Speaker 1 I was doing some of these for men by men protocols, and I was watching my thyroid health decline. I was watching my hormones become imbalanced because I was doing way too much.

Speaker 2 Foundational health and the extension of our health span is really found in the basics. It is amazing how well the human body functions when you give it the raw material it needs to do its job.

Speaker 1 You don't have to keep it too complicated. It's not just one thing, it's not saying that you're not working out or you're not eating healthy.
It could be in your environment as well.

Speaker 2 I have a theory that the reason why the majority of autoimmune disease we find in females and not men is because women are so selfless.

Speaker 1 We are biologically and physiologically different than men. There's so many different cycles of a woman's life: pre-menopause, but then there's perimenopause.

Speaker 1 When you hit menopause, your risk for all causes of mortality increases substantially. So, if we can delay the onset of menopause, then that could be massive for female longevity.

Speaker 2 Talk a little bit about what you mean by like female-centric longevity protocols.

Speaker 1 The best way to achieve optimal health or optimal fertility is

Speaker 2 hey guys welcome back to the ultimate human podcast i'm your host gary brecca human biologist where we go down the road of everything anti-aging biohacking longevity and everything in between

Speaker 2 and we've been asked lately well actually not just lately but for year um to just feed the female audience a little better than we've been feeding them on the podcast.

Speaker 2 And I think there are some giant gaps in the biohacking community in general. Lots of us guys out there, ultra-woke biohackers, talking to other ultra-woke biohackers.

Speaker 2 And so we've been really focusing on our feminine audience. And so today, please welcome to the podcast, Kayla Barnes Lens.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 I'm so excited to have you because not just because you're a female guest, because I think you're a female pioneer.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I actually love the fact that you didn't come from a traditionally traditionally trained medicinal background.

Speaker 2 And so tell me a little bit about how this whole biohacking journey started for you. I mean, to the place where you actually own a functional medicine clinic,

Speaker 2 which I also think is amazing because you really get to see the outcomes of what you're doing with people. And, you know, a lot of.

Speaker 2 A lot of my fans and audience have forwarded me your content, including my daughter, right? Probably the reason why she's here.

Speaker 2 And she's a nurse and she's a tough cookie, but she loves you and loves your content. And I love how super simple and digestible and authentic, you know, your content is.

Speaker 2 And I feel like you're also letting people get a lens into your actual life, which is amazing. But tell my audience that doesn't know you a little bit about your journey and how you ended up.

Speaker 2 owning a functional medicine clinic without going to school for functional medicine. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, if we go all the way back, so I like to preface it that I did not grow up healthy. I grew up on a standard American diet, foods that I'm like, mom, why a Pop-Tart and a toaster strudel?

Speaker 1 This is not edible, you know?

Speaker 2 You were telling your mom that?

Speaker 1 Well, not then, but now I think back and I'm like, mom, seven, you're like, pop-tart. No, I wish I was, but I did not.
So I didn't grow up super healthy.

Speaker 1 I started studying nutrition in college and just started to make little changes, you know, that was kind of the first taste that I got of feeling better through a practice of that nature.

Speaker 1 But I got really deep into it it about five and a half years ago. So I started to prepare actually to open this clinic and I was ordering all the labs.
I'm like, what are we going to offer here?

Speaker 1 So I found, you know, Vibrant and Genova and all these, you know, unique lab companies. And I started ordering all these tests and I was getting the results back.

Speaker 1 And I was like, my doctor has never recommended a gut test. They've never looked at how many toxins I have in my body.
They've never looked at my nutrient status.

Speaker 1 Like I've never seen a lab panel this in depth, right?

Speaker 1 So my mind mind was just open. I'm very type A.
I've been an entrepreneur my whole life. So I've always been building something.
And I always wanted to feel my best and perform my best.

Speaker 1 So when I started getting this data back, I was like, this is incredible. So working with you.

Speaker 2 So you did this on yourself first. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 I did it all on myself first. And I was just, there were so many like red flags.
I'm like, oh, I didn't know that that happened. My doctor never checked that.
He never looked at that.

Speaker 1 My doctor said everything was great. And, you know, I was in good health, but there was a ton of room for improvement.

Speaker 2 And were you experiencing like anything specific, like severe brain fog?

Speaker 1 Or were you a little bit of like, you know, like bloating or like, you know, some hormonal acne, things of that nature, but nothing too crazy. But I wanted to be elite.

Speaker 1 Like I wanted to do, I knew, Gary, that if I wanted to go from where I came to the life that I have now, it was going to take an incredible level of focus, energy, stamina.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I have to upgrade my biology. And this is the way to do it.
I have all this data now. I can upgrade all these areas of my life.

Speaker 2 Awesome. Yeah.
So

Speaker 1 that was the first step. And then I started to get on the phone with, you know, know, owning a clinic.
It's like, what therapies are we going to offer here?

Speaker 1 And I started doing a ton of research, just got obsessed with reading clinical studies and medical research and found some of the things that you actually have.

Speaker 1 So I found like the ozone sauna or Hocket

Speaker 1 and ozone therapy. And I found hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
And I started learning about NED. You know, this is, I was doing peptides like way before they were cool, as I'm sure you were.

Speaker 1 I had a glucose monitor like back when you had to like actually get a prescription that you needed one and it messed up your whole health.

Speaker 1 Back then too yeah yeah before they were like direct to consumer and so i started trying this stuff out on myself so i tried ozone therapy and hyperbaric and i would retest and retest and retest and around the same time you know i started assembling a medical team so we needed providers in the clinic but i'm like well if we get these results back i think we both know most doctors aren't trained on necessarily these really unique labs so I did tons of interviews, found some great providers, and then we started looking at my data and using some of these therapies um we do methylene blue ivs and curcumin ivs i've done essentially olive oil extract ivs olafenilia all this really kind of like cutting edge stuff that was not as popular back then and i started to feel unbelievable and i was seeing changes in my labs day not day after day but every single time i would test they would start to get better and i was just hooked

Speaker 2 That's so awesome. And

Speaker 2 how would you characterize your young life at this point? I mean, are you active? Are you working out? Are you conscious of your diet? You're pretty, you're pretty on your game.

Speaker 2 You just wanted to go next level.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I mean, I was doing all the basic things at that point.
I mean, I did a lot of sports and stuff in high school and gymnastics and things like that.

Speaker 1 So I was active, but I still wasn't feeling as good as I thought and knew I could. Right.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 one of the videos my daughter forwarded to me really caught my eye.

Speaker 2 I took a deep, that's when I started to take a deep dive on your content.

Speaker 2 And I super appreciated because you're being very authentic about you live in LA and, you know, you're, you're in the midst of the wildfires. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Um, so you're talking about the air quality, but the one that really piqued my interest and I want to, I want to go down this rabbit hole, um,

Speaker 2 was the mold and the mycotoxin poisoning. Yeah.
Because,

Speaker 2 you know, as I've been on this journey to, um, and also own a functional wellness clinic, which I just recently exited.

Speaker 2 But we had hundreds of thousands of patients. And there were always those ones coming through the system

Speaker 2 that were being treated quote unquote properly, right? Like their triglycerides were in range, their cholesterol was fine, their hormones weren't particularly out of whack.

Speaker 2 You know, their CBC and their metabolic panels were normal, nothing going on in the liver.

Speaker 2 The kidneys were healthy. So, you know, everything was, let's say, quote unquote in range, right? Maybe they need some D3, but nothing was jumping off the page, but they were miserable.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like miserable. And the labs wouldn't tell the story of the person that was in in front of you, you know.

Speaker 2 So, you'd see this woman, and I'm like, okay, if I believe the diet that you're telling me that you eat, um,

Speaker 2 I know that you're active.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm looking at what you're telling me about your activity level, but you know, they were just bloated, or they had massive brain fog, or um, really abnormal menstrual cycling, and things that you wouldn't tie back to the bugs and the pathogens, the mold, the mycotoxins, the viruses, the parasites.

Speaker 2 And our functional medicine doctor, Dr. Sardo, who's support certified OBGYN, had a lot of training in this area.
And she started to bring in these functional labs, like the vibrant testing. And

Speaker 2 what we'd find were in these unsolvable cases was generally one of these underliers.

Speaker 2 And when we started, you know, testing for those and treating for those, This is when we saw the real miracles happen, right?

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Speaker 2 I think this is one,

Speaker 2 especially in areas like Miami, where the mold capital of the world, we won that lottery. Go Miami.
And,

Speaker 2 you know, this second one, according to one of the functional medicine docs I know is actually Malibu, California. And I was like, that surprises me because it's not super humid out there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but there is obviously exposure to so much water makes it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the water, the climate, maybe it's because, you know, you're AC in the, you know, in the summertime, and maybe they're leaving the windows open in the wintertime.

Speaker 2 But talk a little bit about the testing that you did. What, if any,

Speaker 2 symptoms you were having. And like, I'm particularly interested in the journey you went on to walk yourself out of it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've seen so many of, you know, the clients that live come in with mold. And as you know, it can, it can really like wreck your life.

Speaker 1 And it is something that often goes undiagnosed for so, so long, if ever found. So I have been doing at least quarterly, sometimes even more frequently, something called the total toxic burden.

Speaker 1 And the reason why, real quick, that I think,

Speaker 2 right? Yeah, I've done that too. It's amazing.

Speaker 1 Important for women because we know that women actually experience a higher toxic exposure than men in the form of like personal care products and fragrances and cleaning products.

Speaker 1 So it's estimated that women leave the home with about 200 toxins versus about 100. So it's about double than men.

Speaker 1 So I love this test because this is also, before we dive into the mold, going to look at things like paraben and phthalates and all of these endocrine disruptors that we're exposed to, right?

Speaker 1 That many times we don't even know. They're snuck into fragrances and your body lotions and all these different products that we're applying on a daily basis.
So I love it for women for that reason.

Speaker 1 And we also know that, you know, women are a bit slower detoxers because we prioritize fat storage, right?

Speaker 2 So in combination,

Speaker 1 right? So if we are exposed to more toxins and detox them a little bit more poorly than men do, then I love this test for that reason. But I do this test all the time.

Speaker 1 So I have a pretty good baseline. And during the fires, I did it mid-fire.
So it was on the fire started on January 7th. I did the test on the 18th.

Speaker 1 And the results that came back were something like I've never seen before. My medical team didn't even believe that these were my results.
Wow. Everything in the red.

Speaker 1 I went from having three toxins in the medium range to having over 20 in the high range. And you're familiar with this test.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Incredibly alarming.

Speaker 2 Some of these things you don't even recognize. And you start looking it up and you're like, byproduct of jet fuel.
Like, what? It's insane. It's a fire accelerant.

Speaker 2 And I guess if you think of what's burning in these homes, I mean, it's everything's being essentially vaporized. And you said something really interesting to me on my balcony.

Speaker 2 You said, you know, they show that the air quality is decent, but it's actually not the number of particles in the air, it's what's in the particle.

Speaker 1 Exactly. So if you're in LA right now and you're looking at the AQI, and this is a measurement essentially of like particle size, and the particles could be anything.

Speaker 1 They could be skin cells, they could be from trees, ash, whatever.

Speaker 1 But it's clearly very concerning that these particles are obviously based on my results are made up of things like heavy metals and massive amounts of environmental toxins. I've never had.

Speaker 1 My BPA went from the lowest range it could be to through the roof. So these are like plastics and nothing about my lifestyle has changed.
No, I avoid plastics and clothing.

Speaker 1 I avoid plastics every which way you could do it. You know, at the airport, I won't even take like a paper cup.
So I avoid that at all costs.

Speaker 1 But all of these molds and mycotoxins came back in my labs, tons of environmental toxins and, you know, tons of heavy metals too, that I had never had before.

Speaker 1 So if you are living in LA, I don't want it to be like a fear tactic. I mean, personally, my husband and I are going to move because I don't think this is going to be an isolated incident.

Speaker 1 All of that,

Speaker 1 you know, debris is going to be cleaned up over the next two years. And we know it's just going to be kicked back into there.
If you look into it, at 9-11,

Speaker 1 there were only a few buildings in comparison to how many were just burned in LA. And there are about 130,000 people enrolled in a program from the government because of all their health issues.

Speaker 1 So I just saw something the other day that they weren't going to test in LA. They weren't going to look at the toxins.
Of course they're not, right? Because then everybody would leave.

Speaker 1 I mean, these are, these are toxins that are linked to cancer and infertility and, you know, issues with pregnancy. So it's so important that you either, I guess, live inside because you can.

Speaker 1 I have lots of high-quality air filtration. But for me, I mean, I'm just going to get out.
But when it comes to the mold, so I've done quite a bit. Luckily, I have quite a few tools at my disposal.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm a huge fan of sauna in general. So

Speaker 1 I do sauna. I went to sauna about four times a week.
Now I'm doing it every single day because we need to get these toxins out.

Speaker 2 I usually take a binder beforehand, which I really saw in you do you have actually like a walk-in sauna or do you use a sauna blanket or I have two.

Speaker 1 I have two saunas.

Speaker 1 So I have a infrared sauna with a built-in red light therapy. I've been loving that because it kind of stacks two of the therapies I want to do together.
I love that too.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I love anytime I can do it. Maybe I can compress time and do more stuff.

Speaker 1 Yeah, exactly. So I have that and then I have a finished sauna outside.

Speaker 1 So I kind of go between the two, but usually, you know, 20 minutes, 176 to 212, that's what all the studies are based on for all the longevity and cardiovascular benefits.

Speaker 1 But massively leaning into sauna. I did something called therapeutic plasma exchange.

Speaker 2 I love that. Right after

Speaker 2 Next Health?

Speaker 1 I did. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Dr. Ernest Darshan.
Yep. Yeah.
I love him.

Speaker 1 So, I mean, I'm actually have another test that's pending. So I will have new total toxic burn results that I'll release.
Obviously, the expectation is that they've been reduced significantly.

Speaker 1 But for anyone that's listening that hasn't, doesn't know what plasma exchange is, so they actually take all of your plasma out of your body.

Speaker 1 I think I got about 2.5 liters and they replace it with albumin.

Speaker 2 It's so wild. You hold that bag up and you're like, it's like two liters of yellow soda.
I mean, it's, and it's heavy. It is, it is really heavy.

Speaker 1 Wow. I was surprised.
So I did that. I'm going to do probably two to three more sessions of that because for me,

Speaker 1 you know, it was disappointing, but like you mentioned, we always have a journey, right? So my husband and I wanted to try to conceive.

Speaker 1 I just made like an hour, an hour-long video on all the things for fertility optimization.

Speaker 2 We're going to go into that too because you just piqued the interest of every female on this podcast. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And so it's a bummer that this had to happen.
It's like, you know, you're doing everything. I, I do so much.
Everybody jokes.

Speaker 1 I like live in a bubble and people think I'm so boring life because I go to bed at 8:30 and I don't drink alcohol and I don't go to nightclubs, but I am doing all these things.

Speaker 1 And then, you know, just an environmental disaster in LA, it can just wipe that out. Yep.
I mean, I'm very grateful that I'm equipped to deal with it.

Speaker 1 So doing the plasmaphoresis, the TPE, also doing Eboo. So, you know, very high-dose dose ozone therapy helps to filter the blood as well.
And I actually am taking something.

Speaker 1 It's a prescription called clostiramine. I could be pronouncing that slightly wrong, but it's really interesting research.
So its initial indication was for cholesterol management, lipid management.

Speaker 1 But in a study,

Speaker 1 it actually removed 60% of the PFAS. from the individuals over

Speaker 1 yep, over a 12-week period. So I had this in my back pocket.
I knew about this study.

Speaker 1 As soon as I got my lab results back, I sent it to my doctor and I said, hey, thoughts, like I think we should do this. He agreed.

Speaker 1 And so I'm also doing that, which I'm very excited about because, I mean, if this can help pull out a lot of those toxins, PFAS, all those molds and help really like reduce the toxic burden, I think that's going to be an exciting one as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And so, um, so I, I, first of all, I would totally agree with you, you know, and activate the natural detox pathways, which is, you know, sauna, hydration, maybe glutathione.

Speaker 2 I heard you say that you were taking glutathione in a binder as well. Yep.

Speaker 1 Yep. Love a little bit of binders just help bind to the toxins and pull them out.

Speaker 2 We were using activated charcoal, zeolite.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I use the quicksilver binder. So that's my favorite.

Speaker 2 Is that activated charcoal or do you know what that is?

Speaker 1 It is activated charcoal.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
So that's, that's great because that's binding the toxins. And then EBU, EBU or EBO2 is, is sort of a really advanced ozone.
I've posted a lot about it lately.

Speaker 2 um where they filter the blood um and add ozone to it sometimes they will run it through a light filter too and and then put it back in.

Speaker 2 But what's really interesting, we talked about this before the podcast started, is

Speaker 2 I took the waste container that had, you know, the collection container and sent that to a lab for urinalysis.

Speaker 2 And this is where I saw all of the toxins that you're referring to, the aflatoxin A, aflatoxin B, the polyfloral alcohols, all of these weird accelerants like jet fuel and

Speaker 2 really,

Speaker 2 you know, crazy environmental toxins that were in there. So if you're listening to this and you're from LA, there are things that you can do.

Speaker 2 And the total plasma exchange is even next level because that will replace it with sterile albumin and your body will remake that plasma, but a lot of the junk kind of hangs out in there.

Speaker 2 And I've heard you also talk about the need for

Speaker 2 female-focused longevity protocols.

Speaker 2 What do you mean by that? I mean, first of all, you and your husband are on a similar journey to my wife and I. Like, you know, we're in this like sort of couples journey together.

Speaker 2 she makes a lot of fun of me, but she's also like fully, fully on board for it. Yeah, love that.

Speaker 2 Um, although I just put a hyperbaric in our master bedroom, so

Speaker 2 a little friction there on that one, but um, we have one in our master bedroom as well.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, our master bedrooms actually look, it's just slightly bigger, but it looks very similar with the Faraday cage and the

Speaker 2 hyperbaric in there. Yeah, yeah, it's, I mean, people think you're crazy, but it's like, I don't collect cars, I don't, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't collect watches.
You know,

Speaker 1 there's no better investment. Like we get one body, you know, it's amazing that people, and I completely understand that this is, it can be a very expensive industry to be in.

Speaker 1 I'm excited for that to hopefully be reduced in cost soon. But I mean, for me, there's nothing else I would rather spend my money on.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, me too.
I mean, I'd rather buy a red light therapy bed than a Ferrari because Ferrari is doing nothing for your cellular biology. But talk a little bit about what you mean by,

Speaker 2 you know, female,

Speaker 2 like female-centric longevity protocols.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, women are not small men. So most of the data that we have, like scientific research is done on men.

Speaker 1 And what we've kind of tried to do so far is say, okay, let's parse this out and just make it a little bit less for the women, kind of essentially.

Speaker 2 Like body, they just have body weight, you're right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that women are just small men, but that's completely not true. We are biologically and physiologically different than men.

Speaker 1 And women have a, you know, 28 to 30 day cycle, whereas men, you guys, it's kind of a little bit like ground dog day, right? It's like the same thing over and over. So

Speaker 2 makes you deeply offended by that.

Speaker 2 No, it's so true.

Speaker 1 But it makes it much easier, right? Because you don't have these hormonal fluctuations, not to mention that there's so many different cycles of a woman's life, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm in my child rearing years, pre-menopause, but then there's perimenopause, menopause. So every one of those phases requires something a little bit

Speaker 1 different. And when I started on my biohacking journey, we have a lot of, you know, mutual friends like Dave Asprey and Ben Greenfield and all these people.

Speaker 1 And it's great, but I was doing some of these like for men, by men protocols. And I was watching my thyroid health decline.

Speaker 1 I was watching my hormones become imbalanced because I was doing way too much.

Speaker 1 We know that women, you know, they perceive and experience stress at much higher levels than men.

Speaker 1 So if I try to do the same thing that you do, let's say, you know, you can cold plunge every day, all day, that's, that's great. But as a woman, I, my body interprets that very differently.

Speaker 1 And given where I'm at in my cycle, so we can walk down the line of nutrition, sleep, exercise, biohacking. I mean, there's nuance for all of these for women.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you know,

Speaker 2 my wife and I noticed that too. And we noticed it in the clinical practice too, that,

Speaker 2 you know, one size fits all, let's say, intermittent fasting for men versus one size fits all intermittent fasting for women.

Speaker 2 And we, you know, the some of the worst endocrine disasters we would see in women were young menstruating females that were otherwise, you know, very healthy, fit, active,

Speaker 2 that had very narrow feeding windows.

Speaker 2 And when you start to look at it, you know, some of these women would have really responsive insulin. So they were very insulin sensitive and their

Speaker 2 blood sugar was very often hypoglycemic. And so they spent like long amounts of time in this hypoglycemic state.
Then they fed.

Speaker 2 And then when they were back in this hypoglycemic state, and what it did was it really started to slow down their metabolism.

Speaker 2 You'd see their thyroid hormone levels start to just plummet. Yeah.
Because the pituitary is like, hey, we're not getting enough

Speaker 2 nutrients, right? This low blood sugar we're perceiving as starvation. And, you know, I started really going down that rabbit hole too.

Speaker 2 And this is years ago with women, because you would see, you're right, you know, you put men and women on these similar protocols and you have vastly different results.

Speaker 2 And usually it's because a husband and wife are doing relatively the same thing and it turns out to be a disaster for her and not for him.

Speaker 2 So, I mean, fertility is a huge issue.

Speaker 2 Before we even talk about proving your fertility, I mean, just these, the state of fertility right now in the world, certainly in the United States, with the declining rates of

Speaker 2 sperm counts, the declining fertility rates in women, sky reckoning rates of spontaneous miscarriage. So you're on that journey right now.
Yeah. So if that's okay if I say that.
Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 It's only 27 million people. It's not a big deal.

Speaker 2 But I'd love for you to talk a little bit about that journey because that is one that is really going to resonate

Speaker 2 with my audience.

Speaker 1 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 So we haven't officially started trying actually we were intending on starting to try this month but then the fires happened and so i want to you know get my body rid of these toxins first um

Speaker 1 but i think that and i don't want to make it seem like you have to do all these things remember i'm like in the biohacking industry so i'm doing all these things that might seem way extra but i think for me um if we start thinking about labs you know what am i looking to optimize so we know that the mitochondria come from the mother we know that the gut is coming from the mother So for me,

Speaker 1 and in this recent video I just did, I start with gut testing and optimizing some of these tests in order to potentially optimize and extend fertility.

Speaker 1 When we're done talking about this, I would love to talk about ovarian aging because I think that's like the future, right? And I have some things that I'm trialing.

Speaker 1 Again, there's not a lot of research and I've talked to almost every ovarian aging expert, but the female ovaries age at double the speed that any other organ does.

Speaker 1 And we still don't know why, but I have some theories, just first principles thinking.

Speaker 1 But to go back to fertility, so some things that I have done have been gut optimization. I think there is

Speaker 1 such a story for optimizing your gut, not only because, you know, you'll be passing it on to your child, but because we know that gut dysbiosis and so many of the gut issues can lead to autoimmune conditions.

Speaker 1 We know that 80% of autoimmune conditions are women. And this is like, this is a really, this should be a huge red flag, right?

Speaker 1 And we know that if you optimize the gut, it can also help to reduce your risk of some of these conditions. So I think gut optimization is number one.
I like a test called the GI effects by Genova.

Speaker 1 Any practitioner grade gut test, I think, would work, but I think gut health testing is super important, reducing your toxic burden as low as you can, because again, you're getting ready to house another human being and the development of that human being.

Speaker 1 So if you look at things like heavy metals, molds, mycotoxins, environmental toxins, I think getting those as low as you can is super helpful.

Speaker 1 Some other things that I'm personally doing, I think it's interesting to look at biological age because we want to improve our biological age if possible prior to conceiving.

Speaker 1 And again, I'm going to say the preface again. You don't have to do all this stuff.
This is just me taking it to like the end.

Speaker 2 I like what you're, and I don't mean to interrupt your thought, though, but I like what you're saying about you sort of preparing the house before. Yeah.
Right. Before you move in.

Speaker 2 And I think that's so important. You know,

Speaker 2 we have a lot of experience in biologic stem cells, exosomes, those kinds of treatments.

Speaker 2 And the people that respond the best are the ones that went on, you know, a 10 weeks of, you know, pre-treatment before they did that to reduce insulin and lower the inflammatory markers. So

Speaker 2 I like that you're actually talking about this, sort of cleaning up the house before we let the baby move in, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, absolutely. I mean, for me, I wasn't given that opportunity.
I mean, I, I, who knows what was going on when I was growing, but I want to set the best stage. But also,

Speaker 1 you know, we see this time and time again. I've interviewed a lot of fertility experts.
And

Speaker 1 they say that there's about a three-month period, you know, prior to getting pregnant that you have the most impact.

Speaker 1 So even if you want to start now, you have about, it's for women and men, you know, for sperm and for eggs as they're actually forming and getting to be released.

Speaker 1 You have about three months prior that you can really lean into nutrition, exercise, sleep. Sleep is so incredibly important.

Speaker 1 Our body is either going to prioritize fertility or it's going to prioritize survival.

Speaker 1 And if you are in this state of constant stress, you're not getting high quality sleep, you are maybe doing way too much hormetic, too many hormetic stressors, then we won't prioritize getting pregnant.

Speaker 1 So really important. And I can talk about how I actually optimize my cycle with.
my biohacking and my nutrition and my exercise to hopefully optimize fertility outcomes.

Speaker 1 But that's some of the testing. Also, I think AMH, so anti-malarian hormone, if you're a woman and you're listening to this, I think you should know what your AMH is as soon as practically possible.

Speaker 1 Because although you can't actually test fertility until you try to conceive, you can know your ovarian reserves. So an AMH test will tell you essentially how many eggs that you have left.

Speaker 1 And you can be in your 20s and have a really low AMH. You could be in your 40s and have a high AMH.
I mean, it's just really super bioindividual.

Speaker 1 But if you don't know that number, I think it's one of the most important ones.

Speaker 1 Because if you do have a really low AMH right now, it might be a flag that you either might consider trying a little bit earlier than you had planned, or something like I'm calling it fertility preservation, something, you know, like egg raising, but you should at least know where you're at because you don't, this, if you want a family, I don't think it's something that you want to just kind of fly blind on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I totally agree. So, so you said you were going to talk about the nutrition.
So

Speaker 2 there's, I mean, talk about paralysis of analysis.

Speaker 2 If you get out there on, you know, Google and you get out there on social media, you will get any woman will just get absolutely paralyzed by information, diametrically opposed information on, you know, what, what we should be doing or they should be doing for, um, to prepare for really healthy pregnancy.

Speaker 2 So what, what is your, what does your dietary journey look like?

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's also why getting some of these labs, because the best way to achieve optimal health or optimal fertility is your own data, right?

Speaker 1 So I'm excited to be putting out all my data and sharing the protocols I'm doing, but also, as you know, I mean, you're like the master of genetics. We could have different genetics.

Speaker 1 We could be detoxing differently. There's so many different factors.
So best way to do it is get your own data and then optimize off that.

Speaker 1 But from a nutrition standpoint, I think we've made it way too complicated. I mean, you know, this insane internet battle, it's just focus on single ingredient foods.

Speaker 1 My diet's primarily Mediterranean. I do eat meat.
I actually eat a little bit more red meat during the bleed phase of my cycle because we know that we're losing blood and losing iron.

Speaker 1 But single ingredient foods, avocados, those healthy fats are so important. We know that even mothers, while

Speaker 1 being pregnant, if they eat more choline, the baby's brains develop better. So things like eggs are really great.

Speaker 1 Lots of dark beefy fruciferous vegetables, a lot of high fiber, especially because you want to be detoxing, which is really important. But it's nothing too complicated.

Speaker 1 It's just single ingredient foods for me.

Speaker 1 a lot of like wild caught salmon loaded with those omegas i do an omega test as well i always try to keep my omega index over eight there's quite a bit of literature on extending the lifespan um and even reduction in cardiovascular events so really focusing on omegas but you don't have to keep it too complicated just completely eliminate all ultra processed foods for sure and processed foods you know if you can to the best of your ability and how do you walk your way out of this toxic burden because you know a lot of times people like you and i get accused of fear-mongering and it's not that we're trying to say everything is going to try is going to kill you um I mean a lot is but

Speaker 2 a lot is

Speaker 2 actually that's very true but I just say it's trying to kill you yeah

Speaker 2 but you know a lot of um what I think people call fear-mongering is is us just trying to help people get around the system yeah right like get through the grocery store get through uh a normal day i i did a really um interesting exercise after one of uh dave asprey's um uh biohacking events.

Speaker 2 It was years ago when he first started his biohacking summit and there was a specialist there. And

Speaker 2 it was just this questionnaire.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you just walk through the day.

Speaker 2 And it's like, if you've never actually, if you're one of those people that isn't conscious of what you're eating and you, for a week, you sort of document your meals, you're like, holy crap, I ate like three chocolate bars.

Speaker 2 I ate like, you know, I mean, I ate an extra half pound of nuts. Like you don't realize all all of these things that are sort of coming at you.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, um, it was really interesting for, uh, you know, for my, for my wife, but the amount of toxic burden that you encounter throughout the day.

Speaker 2 It's like, you know, you wake up in the morning, you brush your teeth. Okay, well, now you, you, you realize that's fluoride and, and, um, you know, high, high amounts of, of

Speaker 2 fluoride. And then you're like drinking tap water and then your shampoo and then your conditioner and then your body wash.
And then for women, it's all of these cosmetics.

Speaker 2 So, how did they start this journey of lowering their toxic load? I think the food is relatively easy.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a great resource that I love. It's called the Environmental Working Group.

Speaker 2 Oh, EWG. I'm a member of those guys too.

Speaker 2 I donate to them too. They're amazing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they're great. And they have something called the Skin Deep Database.
So what you can do is you can literally just type in your product or brand and you can see the toxicity.

Speaker 1 It'll start to teach you what to look for.

Speaker 2 Really? It's called the Skin Deep Database?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Skin Deep Database. It's great.

Speaker 1 That's how I started. I mean, I was just running every single product through there and I was just seeing time.
I was like, garbage, garbage, garbage, have to throw all the stuff away.

Speaker 1 And I had no idea before that. So I think that's a great resource just to start slow.

Speaker 1 I don't want this to be overwhelming because, you know, when you go to buy new makeup, you can get a better, you know, more clean version of makeup.

Speaker 1 You can do it slow so it doesn't feel like you have to change everything overnight.

Speaker 1 I mean, I've been in this industry for a while, so now I'm focusing on like, do my clothes have microplastics in them? And, you know, the whole nine year.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm starting to get there there too.

Speaker 1 But just starting slower and just starting to swap out some of these products. I mean, fragrance is the worst offender.
Yeah. They can put anything in fragrance under a trademark.

Speaker 1 So, and then think about where you're spraying it. You're spraying it on your thyroid.
You're spraying it on your lymph nodes. I mean, day in and day out, sometimes multiple times.

Speaker 2 Radial artery.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. So that's one of the first things that I would probably kick to the curb is fragrance, traditional or conventional fragrance.

Speaker 1 And swap it out for, you know, something like an essential oil. There's also some really good brands coming about that that can help women as well.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's some Ayurvedic brands out there that are 100% essential oils that smell amazing, smell so good.

Speaker 2 I mean, they really smell like a designer perfume, yeah, right? Totally. And, and, but in terms of like cost-wise, um,

Speaker 2 are you finding that you can is the industry getting to the point where there's enough competition that some of these really clean products like Branch Basics and some of these other really good brands

Speaker 3 are

Speaker 2 available, widely enough available and at a price point where people can yeah afford them no they really are i mean especially if you look at you know a lot of women love like these luxury makeup products right the the clean versions are actually cheaper than those those products but definitely there are um i think available options for really almost any budget and i love too that you talk about um sleep because I think very often, you know, especially people that are getting into the biohacking space or just going down the biohacking bandwagon,

Speaker 2 they want to jump the basics and like get to the exotics. They're like, oh, I read that NED.
Can you know it's in your life?

Speaker 2 So I'm going to start NED injections, which I don't have a problem with per se.

Speaker 2 Or, you know, I'm a resveratrol. I read this thing about Ashwagandha or some new, you know, route that came out that's extending life expectancy.
But the truth is that foundational health and

Speaker 2 the extension of our health span is really found in the basics. And, you know, whole foods, exercise, mobility,

Speaker 2 de-stressing.

Speaker 2 But talk a little bit about sleep because, you know, what I found to be very interesting was a few months ago, last year, I ran this sleep challenge.

Speaker 2 And I do challenges every month and like water fasting, 10,000 steps, cold punch challenge.

Speaker 2 And I ran this sleep challenge. What was really astounding to me was that we had thousands of people sign up into this.

Speaker 2 And when we started doing questionnaires and surveys and doing the open dialogue and finding out, you know, what's your sleep routine?

Speaker 2 Virtually no one, I would say 2%

Speaker 2 of the people that signed up for this challenge could even tell me what their sleep routine was. They had no sort of mechanism.
But if I said, what's your exercise routine?

Speaker 2 What do you do in the morning to get the kids to school? It's like, damn, this at this time, this at this time, bus leaves at 8:24. You know, I mean, they're on their game.

Speaker 2 And they usually have the same kind of structure around their job or maybe even the structure around their,

Speaker 2 you know, their exercise they've got you know they've got planned um workouts um and and so i introduced the concept of planning your sleep and it was like oof like blew their mind i mean you've already told me like i could have been 830.

Speaker 2 yeah yeah um which like brian johnson who by the way is in town he has his don't die summit going on here right nice

Speaker 3 but um

Speaker 2 i believe that a lot of the success that he's having in his age reversal has to do with the fact that he's so highly focused on sleep.

Speaker 2 And, you know, women in particular, you know, the majority of your hormones are produced during deep phases of sleep cycles. And so if you're not sleeping,

Speaker 2 this could be showing up on your labs as hormonal imbalance or even insulin resistance. And then you're chasing, you're going down a road chasing a pathology that's not there.

Speaker 2 because you're just skipping the basics. So can you talk about a little bit about your sleep? What's your sleep routine like? What's some of your sleep hacks for

Speaker 2 women?

Speaker 1 Well, first thing that I have found really interesting is that women need more sleep than men. So the research supports about six to 20 minutes.

Speaker 1 But based on my N of one studies, I've been very lucky to be able to do that. N of one.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Based on

Speaker 2 my lifelong

Speaker 2 experiment, clinical study.

Speaker 1 Based on my experience. So I did two months of just go to bed at 8.30, wake up whenever you feel like it.
So I'm very blessed to be able to do that.

Speaker 1 On average, I need more than I need an hour or more of sleep than my husband.

Speaker 1 So I am at least getting eight hours.

Speaker 1 So I think that's one myth that women should not feel that they have to get the same amount of sleep as their male counterpart or that six hours is going to work for them for so many reasons.

Speaker 1 Why do women need more sleep? I mean, we know that we're slower detoxers, right? So when our bodies are detoxing at night, that can take longer.

Speaker 1 Our hormones, you know, and the changes within hormones.

Speaker 1 So when we even get get into the late luteal phase um with the progesterone increase we might even need more sleep late luteal while menstruating so i find that to be really interesting um when i noticed that with my wife too yeah during her the menstrual part of her cycle the menstruating part of her cycle she definitely needs more sleep totally which makes sense i mean yeah so you lose an iron you're maybe even slightly anemic yeah we also have a huge inflammatory cascade that's going on as the uterine lining is shedding so there's so many reasons but i think you know just focusing on high quality sleep for women is so important.

Speaker 1 So for me, what does that look like? I am done eating by 5.30. So you want to give yourself at least about three hours prior to bed to digest your food.

Speaker 1 I go by the rule, if the sun has set, you're not meant to be eating. So I watch the sunset.
We have a great view of like the Hollywood Hills, watch the sunset go down.

Speaker 1 It's usually around 5 or 5.30 right now in LA. And then I'm done eating by then.
At that point, all the lights in my house go red. So we know.

Speaker 2 All of them go red.

Speaker 1 Yeah, all red. Even much to my husband's chagrin, I figured out that you can actually turn the TV on a color filter and turn it completely red, like the phone.
I mean, he was so upset.

Speaker 1 He's like, this is nothing.

Speaker 2 So it's like watching baseball.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's like, it's like nothing.

Speaker 2 You could just get red light glasses.

Speaker 1 I do have red light glasses.

Speaker 1 But they're not very comfortable. And then he's being exposed.
So, yes, you could. So, anyways, red lights all at night.

Speaker 1 We should talk about light for women.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I know I definitely want to.

Speaker 1 The demand is like slightly more for a variety of reasons.

Speaker 1 But But red light goes on.

Speaker 1 I do, you know, parasympathetic activity. So I like this thing.
I'm using a palsetto right now, which is like a

Speaker 1 vagus nerve stimulator. So put that on the sleep mode, get into a really relaxed state.

Speaker 1 I try to get my heart rate as low as possible prior to bed because I've really learned that it helps the quality of my sleep and my sleep scores. Like every night I get like a 97, 98 sleep score.

Speaker 1 And I use Aura. So Aura doesn't let you get 100.
I don't think. I don't know a single person that's ever gotten 100 sleep scores.

Speaker 2 Do you?

Speaker 2 I i don't know oh no an aura i've gotten them on eight sleep yeah and i've gotten 98 99 i gotten hundreds on

Speaker 1 yeah i've gotten hundreds on whoop i don't think it's possible though in aura rank yeah i'm pretty pretty regularly 98 99 97 on sleep and yeah eight sleep and and whoop yeah so anyways great good sleep scores but um getting the resting heart rate as low as possible um you know for me it's like doing something relaxing cuddling with my husband reading don't do anything fear-inducing don't turn on uh you know for some reason women love to watch murder shows.

Speaker 1 I've heard that's like a thing.

Speaker 2 Oh, it's such a thing.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't recommend watching that right before bed because it's like really anxiety-inducing. Right, that's the opposite of what you want to be doing.

Speaker 1 Um, and then we keep our room completely black out, so we now know that even light right on the skin can still disrupt your circadian clock and decrease your amount of melatonin.

Speaker 1 So, that can be disruptive. Keep the room super cool.
So, um, you know, 65 Fahrenheit is what we keep our room at. So awesome.

Speaker 1 I also think you should try to make your sleep environment as restorative as possible. So you could get like a switch to turn your Wi-Fi off.
I, like you, have a Faraday cage. So I've measured it.

Speaker 1 The EMFs are zero inside the Faraday cage. So you could do something like that or just get like a Wi-Fi switch.

Speaker 1 I love like a weighted blanket for me. Really helps increase my sleep.

Speaker 1 And or it says I think it increases deep sleep by about 2%.

Speaker 1 Weighted blanket.

Speaker 2 And over time, that's a big number. Definitely.
I mean, all all we're trying to do is just get those incremental.

Speaker 2 Yeah, if you're going to be sleeping anyway. Yeah.
So totally.

Speaker 1 I've also recently, I used to do sauna right after exercise to extend some of those exercise benefits, but I've recently moved it to about two hours prior to bed.

Speaker 1 And I found, you know, pretty significant improvements in my sleep too.

Speaker 1 You don't want to do it too close to bed because, again, it's going to jack up your heart rate and then you're not going to get as good of sleep.

Speaker 2 We really find the same thing. And

Speaker 2 I, you know, I encourage people to do sauna or what I call a contrast shower, just a hot and cold shower.

Speaker 2 We have cold punges when I'm a little bit warmer. So like in the 60s.
So after a good long sauna session, just a quick dip in there, just to kind of start to bring the temperature back down.

Speaker 2 Not a long hermetic stressor.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 those are the nights that my wife really sleeps.

Speaker 2 well when we do the the sauna so i would i would agree with you there and i think it has something to do with sort of breaking the cycle of your day right i mean your day's active and there's all this stuff on your mind You got all these catecholamines.

Speaker 2 You're really in awakened state. I think a lot of women in particular are really susceptible to the rise in these catecholamines at night.
So they're kind of in this body-tired, but mind-awake state.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Right.
And they'll just ruminating about the most innocuous little things, right? Nothing's going to change your life.

Speaker 2 And it just robs you of being able to go to sleep. So do you read in bed?

Speaker 1 I actually don't do anything in bed other than sleep. So it's really, I've developed like my bedroom or my bed just for sleep, but I will read prior just to relax.

Speaker 1 You know, I obviously make sure like my magnesium levels are optimized. Sometimes I'll do a magnesium at night.
Oh, I love that. I don't really need a sleep stack.

Speaker 1 I do make them for my husband, though. I do like glycine, apogenin, a little bit of L-theanine and some magnesium in there.
Works great for him.

Speaker 1 I just like.

Speaker 2 You guys on the kind of the same sleep schedule? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he used to stay up way later. Yeah.
And of course, he's like, you know, kind of changed that now, but he feels better than he ever is.

Speaker 1 And also, you know, when I first met him, we had this whole experience with his testosterone where I asked him, he was on a tiny bit of tea. Obviously, I wanted babies.

Speaker 1 So I was like, hey, do you mind to get off that? He did.

Speaker 1 Testosterone went down a bit, but then I put him through an entire detox protocol, changed his diet, lifestyle upgrades, and his testosterone is now like 916 naturally. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And how old is he?

Speaker 1 If you don't mind me asking, he's 37.

Speaker 2 So 916 at 37 would be amazing. I mean,

Speaker 2 my community would kill kill to have testosterone that level. I mean, naturally that high, which, which really brings me to another point.

Speaker 2 I mean, it is amazing how well the human body functions when you give it the raw material it needs to do its job.

Speaker 2 We forget that I think the best pharmacy is right here, you know, and when we access the power that this has over this,

Speaker 2 and we, we,

Speaker 2 what's really interesting is what you're really talking about is just getting back to the basics, right?

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Speaker 2 Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. And so where do you fall on like a morning routine, like breathwork or sunlight or grounding or where do you, where do you fall?

Speaker 2 What are some of your musts? Because you're on a travel binder right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 2 you're here today. You're, you're, yeah, you're in what, Nashville tonight, right?

Speaker 1 Yep, Nashville, New York City. So this is, this is a rarity.

Speaker 1 Um, I'm much more of a homebody simply because I like to have my environment the way that I enjoy it, you know, because there's so many variables now while traveling.

Speaker 1 Um, but my morning routine takes about an hour and a half. I mean, I get up.

Speaker 1 Um, first thing I do as practically possible is get sunlight into the highs, help to, you know, really improve my circadian rhythm.

Speaker 1 Also really good for women too, because the vitamin D, we know that women suffer from more osteoporosis really helps to regulate the hormones

Speaker 1 big fan of morning sun yeah so do that and then i head to the gym um my my strength training routine i have my strength training routine and then i have a split so i'm hitting all areas of longevity i have two v o2 max training days i have two to three strength training days i incorporated a power day which is new but really wanting to maintain those fast twitch muscle fibers so jumping box jumps yep box jumps um you know explosive push-ups super fast squats.

Speaker 1 It's like a little circuit that I do. And it's great because I don't want us to forget about power because we need to maintain that as we get older.

Speaker 2 Well, frailty in older ages is one of the hallmarks of mortality.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and it's very significant in women because sarcopenia, osteoporosis. So I do a lot of on my strength training days, do a lot of compound lifting.
So really loading the bones.

Speaker 1 And then I measure all this stuff at home too, by the way. So I have a really smart scale where I look at my bone density and my body composition, my fat mass, my muscle mass.

Speaker 1 I just hit a PR, by the way, on the grip strength.

Speaker 1 I'm at 100 pounds.

Speaker 2 Is that the one that you grab? That's so awesome.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And there's a direct relationship between, you know, grip strength and longevity.
It's a

Speaker 1 proxy for overall strength. So as women, you know, it's not really talked about for us to measure these things, but I think looking at your lung health through like a spirometer.

Speaker 1 your grip strength, knowing what your body composition is, how much muscle do you have? How much fat do you have? What's your bone density like?

Speaker 1 Super, super important. So I'll go to the gym and hit one of those metrics that I'm working on.
And then I come home. I usually do my biometrics, all the things I just mentioned.

Speaker 1 I, on a weekly basis, I do the lung health, look at my sleep. I do blood pressure.
I do grip strength. I do body composition, all that stuff at home.

Speaker 1 And then I will do PEMF and a little bit of like reading, prayer, meditation, something to just set my mind, as I say, before the day sets it for me.

Speaker 1 So before, you know, you get emails and calls and things happen. I like to really try to put myself into a more relaxed state.

Speaker 1 And then I will usually have breakfast. So I usually like to eat pretty close to when I work out, always aiming for high protein.
So I try to get about 30 grams plus of protein per meal.

Speaker 1 So I get about 100 grams of protein a day. I weigh about 122.
So that's super important for me. And then I put a lot of my biohacking stuff throughout the day as well.

Speaker 1 So I do like a Nanove, which helps reduce oxidative stress. And then I do PEMF like at my desk.

Speaker 2 It's called your NanoV? NanoV. Yeah.
What's that?

Speaker 2 Oh, I think I've seen that machine.

Speaker 1 It's a German device with the nasal cannula.

Speaker 2 Okay. And what is that doing?

Speaker 1 So it's supposed to reduce oxidative stress and improve protein folding. So we know oxidative stress is a root cause of many different diseases.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And is it a gas?

Speaker 1 No, it's actually creating a frequency and you're inhaling it.

Speaker 2 Wow. Yeah.
That's where I've seen those and I didn't go down the rabbit hole of those. I mean, I know most of the things you're talking about, especially the palsetto.

Speaker 2 Actually, Cristiano Ronaldo gave me one of those. I would see him

Speaker 2 in

Speaker 2 Saudi Arabia. And when I left, he gave it to me as a gift.
And I first tried it on the plane coming back.

Speaker 2 And then I actually had a client of mine staying with me. He's also a very dear friend.

Speaker 2 And he was suffering from very severe tinnitus and

Speaker 2 it was actually triggering panic attacks.

Speaker 2 And I was in the living room one day, and my son came running around the corner. He's like, hey, dad,

Speaker 2 he's actually laying in the hallway. And so I went around the hallway and he was laying up against the wall and he was having a panic attack.
And I,

Speaker 2 you know, the worst thing you can do is try to reason somebody out of hand and panic attacks. There's nothing for you to be afraid of.
There's no reason for you to feel this way.

Speaker 2 So I just calmly put the palsetto on him and

Speaker 2 I ran the anxiety app in kidding like six minutes into a nine minute session he was

Speaker 2 very calm i think it just overrode that signal coming through the vagus nerve so i think i think a lot of these um which you could travel with some of these yeah um

Speaker 2 um but i didn't mean to interrupt you so so the nano v and then you said you also have a pulse electromagnet pmf mat yeah yeah okay so i just keep that going actually throughout the day i have it in my office chair oh that's cool and it's interesting because i did it together the full body like yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I did a test called a mead test and it actually measures essentially the voltage of your body.

Speaker 1 And we know that I kind of think about it like all these hits of like poor food and, you know, lack of exercise, lack of movement is like draining our voltage, like our cellular voltage, right?

Speaker 1 I would agree with that. So we can do things like grounding, which is free.
It just takes a lot longer. So I have the PEMF device at home.
So I love doing that as well.

Speaker 1 Actually, two things that I didn't mention in the beginning, though, I have a very extensive oral health routine because we know that the oral microbiome and overall health is directly connected.

Speaker 1 We've known about the link to like cardiovascular disease for a very long time, but now it's becoming more and more prevalent.

Speaker 1 I see a biological dentist, which is like the functional medicine of dentistry.

Speaker 1 So I do, you know, ozone oil pulling, of course, like flossing, a really great, you know, brush in the morning,

Speaker 1 tongue scraping. And then that's obviously the first thing that I do.

Speaker 2 Because I'm actually talking about on my on my challenge on Wednesday, I'm talking about oil pulling, tongue scraping, you know, flossing, the importance of all of those things, even really the importance of getting metal amalgamates out of the mouth.

Speaker 2 Oh, gosh, it's wild that it's even legal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And even root canals. I mean, I can show you.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. I'm waiting for a tooth

Speaker 2 because I had a root canal that a biologic dentist cleaned out for me and I had a big cavitation underneath it.

Speaker 2 And what was amazing was

Speaker 2 I had two root canals. And one day I just bit down on something and I cracked this tooth.
And so I called my buddy who's a biologic dentist, Dr. Gandhi, and he was like, take a picture of it.

Speaker 2 And so I took a picture of it and sent it to him. It was the 19th tooth meridian.
So he asked me if I had left anterior shoulder pain, left lower lobe lung pain.

Speaker 2 And the craziest thing that just literally blew my mind was he said, does your left toe ever go numb? Wow. And I was like,

Speaker 2 dude, you are breaking me out because I actually do have a little left anterior shoulder pain, which I just thought was a little bicep tendinitis from working out or whatever.

Speaker 2 And I would only get the left lower lobe pain when I was doing like hits cardio or something. But my left toe occasionally would go numb.

Speaker 2 And my wife used to tease me because I would like tap it or I would tap it with my heel. And then it wasn't enough to like, you know, drive me through the DR or anything.
But, um,

Speaker 2 and he's like, oh, you, you definitely have a cavitation in that tooth. And when he cone beam x-rayed it, you could see it.

Speaker 2 And when he took it out, cleaned it, ozone, put platelet fibin in there, he actually ran ozone gas, red light,

Speaker 2 and replaced it.

Speaker 2 Literally within 48 hours, all of those symptoms went away. And that's been two years and it hasn't come back.
Yeah. And or almost two years.
So I am such a big believer in that.

Speaker 2 Now, how do you do ozone oil pulling?

Speaker 1 Yeah, actually, my friend owns a company. It's Simply O3.
They make a lot of ozone generators, too.

Speaker 2 I have a Simply O3. Oh, nice.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
So they make an ozonated oil pulling solution.

Speaker 2 They do? Yeah. They make a solution that's already ozonated.
Yeah. And it stays in there even when they ship it to you.
Yeah. Oh, that's cool.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 It tastes a little bit like ozone because ozone has a very distinct

Speaker 1 I've like come to love it though because I do so many different

Speaker 2 clean so you're like yeah it's like I used to love the smell of bleach because it meant that things are I don't like it anymore but I used it just used to tell me all right well this locker room's clean you know or this is sanitary i don't associate those anymore but um

Speaker 1 uh so it's it's an oil like a what coconut oil or something do you know yeah yeah it's in and it's in oil and it's already ozonated and it's in a nice like glass bottle no mice microplastics and um i just switched around for about 20 minutes

Speaker 1 see that's the thing about oil pulling man it's a it's a commitment it is i mean you could always do less right yeah like i'll do like stretching and other things and just pass some time, you know, start my protein coffee.

Speaker 1 So I left out, yeah, first of all, oral health routine i think it's super important i also do oral uh microbiome testing so um or oral my oral biome testing so it tells you levels of bad bacteria good bacteria just like a gut test but we want to make sure that that's optimal too ideally yeah there's oral probiotics that you can take too for i mean just for your oral microbiome which are really good they're like a chewable yeah i have those oh you do yeah um i forget the name of the brand that I have.

Speaker 2 Is it BioHarvest? I don't know. If I find out, I'll link it in the show notes, but

Speaker 2 it's actually oral probiotic. And I couldn't be more on board with you because, you know, I think

Speaker 2 ancestrally, our microbiome was so important.

Speaker 2 And I mean, obviously it still is.

Speaker 2 And it all starts in the mouth, you know, and it's if you actually saw an image of the nerves leaving the, you know, leaving the jaw and all the all the pathways out of your,

Speaker 2 you know, out of your mouth, into your neck, into your brain, you realize how pathogens, obviously, this is a great way to get in

Speaker 2 and where they can go to and how many consequences they can have that we're not tying back to our

Speaker 2 oral microbiome. And what's really interesting is

Speaker 2 I think dentistry is the only practice of medicine that thinks that you can leave dead tissue in the body, right? So you kill a tooth and you kill a nerve.

Speaker 2 And they're like, well, it's okay to leave that in there. I mean, if your appendix died, they would take it out, right? I mean, if something sounds necrotic in your body, you need to remove it.

Speaker 2 So you have these two necrotic things in your mouth if you've actually had a, you know, root canal, but and you don't feel it. It's pain.
Like that was totally painless for me.

Speaker 2 Had I not cut that tooth, which I, I look at as a blessing now, yeah, I wouldn't have gotten both of these removed. And, um, and it's

Speaker 2 what everyone call woke to wellness as I am, you know, aware of, you know, for me to have these two cavitations just literally, literally blew my mind. Yeah.

Speaker 2 All right. So then you're, you're, you're inch your way through your.
Now, do you take a lot of this on the road? I mean, it's portable for you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, quite a bit of it. I mean, I travel with a few things for sure.

Speaker 1 But also, you know, like today, well, I do want to mention for women one thing that's important. So, again, a big learning was I no longer train fasted.

Speaker 1 I think that women do better with a totally agree with you on protein. So I do a protein coffee.
So a little bit, about a half a cup of coffee

Speaker 1 was a little bit of, for me, raw milk. Again, you know, be advised.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the quality is of raw milk everywhere, but and then I do a little bit of colostrum and a little bit of creatine, five grams of creatine.

Speaker 2 We got airworn. You love.
Yeah. You're lovely.

Speaker 1 We got airworn out there. So yeah, we're fine.
Yeah. When you buy it off the shelf at a regular grocery store, I feel pretty good about that.
So

Speaker 1 that's what I do before training. But I think that's an important takeaway for women is that we do seem to do better training fed.

Speaker 2 I could not agree with you more.

Speaker 2 You know, in fact, I think some of the most frustrating cases that we ever had come through our clinic are younger fit women that are really healthy and they're exercising.

Speaker 2 And they'll say, look, I wake up at,

Speaker 2 you know, five, six o'clock in the morning. I have a cup of black coffee.

Speaker 2 I'm fasted. I go to Orange Theory.
I go hammer down for 55 minutes. I do that five days a week.
I've been doing it for three months and I haven't lost a single pound. Like, what's going on?

Speaker 2 I'm like, you know, you're not eating, but your body is. It's just kind of eating you.

Speaker 2 You know, you're probably metabolizing a lot of lean muscle and not your fat reserves. And I think sometimes it's counterintuitive, especially for women to eat to lose.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Right. I mean, it doesn't doesn't, you know, intuitively make sense, but if you, if you keep your protein intake up, you're right.
Um, so you make sure that you get protein in the morning.

Speaker 2 Now, are you spending a lot of time at your clinics?

Speaker 1 Um, not not at this point. Um, you know, we had the first one's in Ohio.
Um, so now I live in LA, but we are going to open one later this year in LA. Oh, God, great.

Speaker 1 But basically, I had to buy all the things at the clinic and then put them in my house because I miss them all so much.

Speaker 2 You've been loving this research project, right? Oh, love.

Speaker 1 The best ever. So,

Speaker 1 but yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'm. I'm in the same bandwagon.
So, so

Speaker 2 what are some of the most exciting things for you in terms of female health, wellness, longevity?

Speaker 2 You're either going to bring into the clinic or you want women to know about state of wellness and longevity for women. Where does.

Speaker 2 Where does this clinic take you in terms of the impact you're going to have on female longevity?

Speaker 1 One of the biggest things that I'm so interested in right now is ovarian aging. So, again, I've spoken to so many different experts.

Speaker 1 We don't know why the ovaries are aging at double the speed of every other organ. So, I'm just using first principle thinking here.
And there's a few things that I've done.

Speaker 1 So, I did start taking rapomyosin because some of the preliminary studies, they haven't yet gone through peer review, but they can potentially, this can potentially delay ovarian aging by about five years.

Speaker 1 Because if you think about a woman, so women live longer than men, about four to six years on average than men.

Speaker 1 But when you hit menopause, your risk for all causes of mortality increases substantially.

Speaker 1 So if we can delay the onset of menopause and keep the ovaries healthy and functioning and the hormones where they're at, then that could be massive for female longevity, right?

Speaker 1 So some of the things that I'm doing that I think are interesting are low-level laser therapy. There's been some interesting studies on fertility.

Speaker 1 Actually, there was a study out of japan with infertile women and then they did low laser therapy low level laser therapy so it's slightly different than red light it is red but it can transdermal right you just yeah they actually did the proximal technique so they were just putting a low level laser um on the neck and it was actually reducing the inflammation in the ovary so much that uh i think about 20 20 to 25 participants got pregnant and these were all people with severe infertility wow so please like add that potentially to the stack of things it's in my stack of things i'm doing for fertility optimization and ovarian health in general so I have a little low laser therapy

Speaker 1 yeah I do it at home that I do right on the ovaries and then I also do it on my neck as well considering that's how the studies were done so I think that's super interesting but if we think about the inflammatory cascade or reasons that the ovaries could be aging so fast so it could be the inflammatory process so we have this entire cascade of inflammation happening as the uterine lining builds and then sheds every single month, right?

Speaker 1 So what I'm doing is doing even more red light therapy during that time on, on the ovaries, on the uterus, and I'm doing hyperbaric oxygen strategically during that time as well. So I will increase.

Speaker 1 So I've already done my loading doses of hyperbaric for the year. And there's also some interesting,

Speaker 1 I did about 40. Okay.
And so I did one hour, five sessions per week for 40 sessions at 2.0 for my body protocol.

Speaker 1 And then I did that same, you know, 40 sessions, five sessions per week at one hour, at 1.5 for my brain protocol. So I've had those completed, but there's also interesting data on hyperbaric.

Speaker 2 You committed to that five days a week. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, because that's a buy-in right there.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 2 I mean, but for me, although I get to see your first date was in a hyperbaric chamber. My first date was in a hyperbaric chamber.

Speaker 2 I mean, you were in the New York Times for like your labs. You made your husband for it, which I think, I think is amazing.
I know you gotta afford a flack for it, but I think that's amazing.

Speaker 2 But if you started your first date in it, you're committed to you have it at the house. Yeah.
Okay. And it goes all the way to 2 ATA.
Yeah. Okay.
That's a serious challenge.

Speaker 1 But it's nice because you can actually swap it out and you take it lower. So that's great.
So you can put in a 1.5 and then

Speaker 2 it's really interesting. The first person that's actually brought that up is that, you know, I had a hyperbaric expert here, Dr.

Speaker 2 Jonathan Saunders. And he's written two amazing books on hyperbaric therapies.
He's a chiropractor. Well, again, his PhD in hyperbaric medicine.

Speaker 2 And he was explaining to me that it's not one or the other, that different pressures actually have different, you know, exude different results. And

Speaker 2 the brain protocol at 1.3 to 1.5,

Speaker 2 also what he was saying. And the deeper pressures for mitochondrial proliferation and things like that, it's just a commitment.
So you'd have, you know, you have to get one at home.

Speaker 2 But they make some great soft shell chambers that are

Speaker 2 safe and can get you there. And I think it's important, especially in light of the tragedy that just happened recently in the hyperbarics, to note that

Speaker 2 the hyperbaric chambers that are not 100% O2 are not flammable, right? So they can't become accidental, accidental bombs.

Speaker 2 The ones that run 100% O2, I don't even know if you can even legally get those in the home, but if you can, you shouldn't, you know,

Speaker 2 even with the prescription, because those are.

Speaker 2 potentially explosives like hydrogen gas. It's very, you know, 100% O2 is very flammable.
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Speaker 2 Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. So you ran ran this hyperbaric

Speaker 2 protocol and you got your loading dose done. Now, do you still do it on a regular basis?

Speaker 1 Yeah, so now I'm really trying to align it with this inflammatory cascade of my cycle. Because again, we don't have the data, but that's why I'm doing all this insane amount of testing.

Speaker 1 I want to see, you know, how long I can extend my ovarian health. So I'm doing hyperbaric.
strategically alongside my cycle to potentially reduce that inflammatory cascade.

Speaker 1 The other thing that's important to know is that actually the highest density, one of the highest densities after the heart, I believe, is the mitochondria and the oocytes, which, you know, will develop into eggs.

Speaker 1 And so I am always thinking, okay, number one, you need to improve your mitochondrial health overall, right? HIIT training, absolutely incredible for that. Really?

Speaker 1 Increases the amount of mitochondria, can help to kind of kill off the bad mitochondria. So hit training is a big part of that.

Speaker 1 But I also love things like pomegranate and, you know, urolithan A in terms of diet that I didn't mention before. And then red light therapy, right?

Speaker 1 Like I am doing a lot of red light therapy to try to improve those mitochondria in the oocytes because they're such a high density. So that's something to really think about as well.

Speaker 1 And with hyperbaric, there is actual research. A lot of this is still developing, right?

Speaker 1 Like I have friends that are conducting trials on AMH, which is the anti-malarian hormone or ovarian reserves and hyperbaric. But there is data on improving sperm quality.
So fertility is 50%.

Speaker 1 Is the husband 50% and the wife 50%? So it could be either or partner or both if there's issues with fertility. So all the protocols I'm going through, my husband has also done.

Speaker 1 So the gut and the toxins and all of the different like lab markers, you know, he does that as well. So that we're both coming to the plate.
And we've both had really in-depth testing.

Speaker 1 He's looked at, you know, motility and the quality of the sperm and all of that. And it's in the highest region it can be.
That's all.

Speaker 1 And then I've done all of the, you know, my amh is about 5.8 which is super high for my age but um you know i've also taken all the other markers so it's nothing like pcos because sometimes people with pcos can have really high amh so if you're a woman i mean you're higher

Speaker 2 is this corresponding to a longer

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 1 potentially we don't know yet right but it could be okay but then too high too so women that have pcos or polycystic ovarian syndrome they will all have a really really high amh usually like 10 plus but that's because you know, there are so many, you know, different cysts actually developing.

Speaker 1 So if you have that, you also, of course, want to work with the doctor to take care of or manage PCOS, which is mostly a metabolic disorder, to reduce that, because it makes getting pregnant more difficult because your period becomes really erratic.

Speaker 2 And I love that you just said that PCOS, this polycystic ovarian syndrome, is a metabolic disorder. Can you dig into that a little bit? What do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting because, I mean, women of all sizes and ages can develop PCOS. It's incredibly common at this point, but we see that its roots are really in insulin resistance.
So,

Speaker 1 you know, these diets that are really high in like these refined sugars and carbohydrates, like you mentioned, just starting to track.

Speaker 1 And then, of course, we add on like potentially lack of exercise or these endocrine disruptors, all of these things.

Speaker 1 You know, it's not just one thing. It's not saying that you're not working out or you're not eating healthy.

Speaker 1 It could be in your environment as well, going back to why environmental toxin testing could be so important.

Speaker 1 But I mean, we know that people reverse PCOS. So that's really exciting that you can do that.

Speaker 1 I love, for me, wearing a continuous glucose monitor is really helpful too, just to make sure that my, in addition to blood labs of insulin and glucose, but you have an at-home real-time experience of your, of your blood sugar.

Speaker 1 So I love doing that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, that's, that's amazing.
I think that, you know,

Speaker 2 for the women that are listening to this, which lots of women are going to be listening to this, you know, what I love is there's a place to start that's going to be low or no out of pocket costs, which are things you can fix right away, like, you know, your sleep, your diet.

Speaker 2 I don't think that, you know, sunlight, grounding, and breath work can be overemphasized. I don't think that like timing your circadian clock can be overemphasized.
So these are all what I would

Speaker 2 say are, you know, modifiable lifestyle factors that, you know, should be the first go-tos, you know, before you even invest in expensive equipment and whatnot.

Speaker 2 I mean, just getting yourself back to the basics.

Speaker 1 In terms of supplementation, what would you say are the go-to female basics yeah i try to lump my supplements into three sections so i have my absolute basics those are going to be things like magnesium fish oil vitamin d i mean i keep my vitamin d level around 70 so really important for fertility but also boosting your immune system breast cancer women i mean a lot of good studies in the 60 80 nanogram range Totally.

Speaker 1 So keeping those, those optimized. There's a lot of interesting new research coming out with NAD or NMN supplementation and fertility.
So I do different varieties.

Speaker 1 I do IV therapies a couple times a year, sometimes do boosters, but you can also just do NMN supplementation. I think that's a really good one.

Speaker 1 So, and then I have other supplements that I really like. I think that something like Metopyr or urolithinate can be really helpful.

Speaker 1 I think there's some research on CoQ10 for, you know, improving egg quality. I like, it's actually a prenatal.
It's called we natal.

Speaker 1 So it really hits a lot of these required nutrients that we need as women. So that's kind of of like a one-stop shop.
Thorne also has like novarian care.

Speaker 1 So has like some myonositol, has some of the like vitamin A, the B vitamins that you need, of course, in the methyl forms. So they're more bioavailable for you.
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's right up my alley.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but this is a great one. It could be a good multivitamin just for women too, but finding something that hits all of your basic nutritional requirements.
I do the Nutri Valve.

Speaker 1 So I know exactly what I'm deficient in. And then I supplement for that.

Speaker 2 Does a Nutri Valve look at the, like, is that like a cellular nutrition assay? Is that actually looking at cellular concentration?

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is. Or just like blood.

Speaker 1 It is both intra and ultracellular.

Speaker 2 Okay, so that's, that's really interesting because, um, you know, I've, I've found in this type of testing, I didn't know that the nutri valve combined the two, but if you do a cellular nutrition assay, like intracellular concentration, and then sometimes do blood, which is serum concentration, um, you see things like B12 sky high in the blood, but deficient in the cell.

Speaker 2 and you see that you know it's not methylating it and you switch the form b12 and it you know it instantly the cell begins to metabolize it i feel like everyone should be on methylated b vitamins oh i do too just like as a baseline singing my tune yeah methylated b vitins methyl folate yeah and and and and the methyl form of b12 i mean those are just basics d3 k2 would totally agree with you and a good and a good omega-3.

Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 So I have my, like, those are my foundational basics. Then I have my protocol basics.
So whatever my updated protocol is. So let's say right now I'm working on detox, right?

Speaker 1 So I have all this additional glutathione, sulfuraphane, vitamin C, some quercetin, binder. So that's like what I'm working on right now based on my labs.

Speaker 1 And then my longevity stack, that looks like, I'm really interested in spermidine right now. I think that's an interesting molecule.
So that's in my longevity stack.

Speaker 1 The NAD or NMN is super helpful for me.

Speaker 1 I also like to put a little bit of methylene blue. That's kind of more on the mixed side, but I like to combine that with the red light therapy.

Speaker 2 And so you just take it beforehand, like 20, 30 minutes beforehand. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I've done IVs of that. I did that this morning.
Super fun. Yeah.
Super fun.

Speaker 1 It's a little baby.

Speaker 2 Until you take a pee and then you're like, whoa. Well, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 But it's such a cute little IV. It's like a little baby one.

Speaker 2 It's a baby one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you know, the interesting thing about methylene blue is, you know, it's really effective in low doses. There's a great book.
I think it's called The Ultimate Guide to Methylene Blue.

Speaker 2 And I'll tell you, you can get it on audio book.

Speaker 2 And for nerds like us, you you know, it's great listening on the plane or something. And

Speaker 2 I've read it probably three times and listened to it probably four times. I've almost committed the entire book

Speaker 2 to memory.

Speaker 2 What I love about it is, I mean, if you're not in love with methylene blue, by the time that's, you're done reading that book,

Speaker 2 you'll never be in love with it. And, you know, the way that it enhances,

Speaker 2 I like the compounds that enhance natural physiology or physiological processes in the body,

Speaker 2 NMN, raising your own levels of NAD, you know, methylene blue, improving like the binding affinity of iron and getting more oxygen into the cell, which means more oxygen into the mitochondria, which, you know, is really the end game is to try to have super healthy

Speaker 2 mitochondria. And all of these things that you're doing are really just feeding your cellular biology.
I mean, the red light for your mitochondria.

Speaker 2 I mean, you guys are going to have. the healthiest.
I'm going to buy stock in all the babies you have.

Speaker 2 These are going to be like the healthiest overachievers so that's amazing um

Speaker 2 so um this kayla this has been amazing um you know i'm i'm i'm so glad that that you came on the podcast um

Speaker 2 i i definitely want to have you back again follow your journey especially follow the journey you're you're on with your husband i i just think it's i think it's magical that you you know you guys did the you made him give you the labs beforehand you had your first date in the hyperberg chamber and you guys are so committed to this journey because I think,

Speaker 2 you know, I think on this, on this longevity and bio optimization journey in general, I think there's more women than men. And I think a lot of times

Speaker 2 the husband's not on board with the wife, you know, sort of in it on her own. Even though I have a larger male audience than a female audience, most of the females that I'm talking to are way more.

Speaker 2 involved and into it. You know, we know they buy 80% of all the supplements.

Speaker 2 You know, they're listening to most of the podcast and digesting most of the information out there. So I think it's amazing to be

Speaker 2 a couple like skinny confidential that are on this journey together.

Speaker 1 It's so fun.

Speaker 2 I think that's amazing.

Speaker 2 From my audience that doesn't know you, where can they find you?

Speaker 1 Yeah. My website is kaylabarnes.com, K-A-Y-L-A-B-A-R-N-E-S.com.
I also post a lot of content on YouTube. Newly, I think I'm the only woman posting long-form longevity content actually on YouTube

Speaker 1 I think so unless there's more but I think so and then Instagram at Kayla Barnes and my clinic is live dash wellness calm okay live dash wellness calm so I wind down every podcast by

Speaker 2 asking my my guests the same question so there's no right or wrong answer to this

Speaker 2 question and then

Speaker 2 and then we'll stop the podcast and we'll go into a private room for my my

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Speaker 2 So, Kayla, what does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human?

Speaker 1 Wake up every day, bursting with energy,

Speaker 1 limitless drive, and being able to show up for those that you love.

Speaker 2 So good. Yeah.
You know, and I love that you said that because I think women especially,

Speaker 2 I have a theory that the reason why the majority of autoimmune disease is we find in females and not men is because women are so selfless and they very often will view self-care as being selfish.

Speaker 2 But what you're doing is very selfless. This is selfless for your husband.
It's eventually going to be selfless for your kids,

Speaker 2 your career. I'm sure your clinic needs you.
I'm sure your employees need you. And it's like, how do you show up for them if you're not, you know, caring for yourself? So

Speaker 1 I love that. I think health is the foundation of greatness.
I always say that.

Speaker 2 I think longevity is the new,

Speaker 2 you know, it's a new luxury.

Speaker 1 It truly is. I mean, I've heard that having abs is like more rare than being a millionaire these days.

Speaker 2 I don't know if that's true, but you can fake a Ferrari, but you can't fake abs.

Speaker 2 You

Speaker 2 Well, that's awesome. Um, so, guys, uh, hopefully, you'll join us in the VIP ultimate human community.

Speaker 2 But if not, I've um, I will link all of the topics that we talked about, some of the modalities that we talked about, links to her Instagram and her podcast, um, um, and also to um, uh, to some of the products that she mentioned on the podcast today.

Speaker 2 Until next time, that's just science.