147. Lara Trump: The MAHA Movement And What It Means for Your Family’s Health

Speaker 1 We are the richest nation in the world, and for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world. It's not about politics, it's about making America healthy again.

Speaker 1 It's about exposing people to what's been going on.

Speaker 2 The biggest hope coming from this message is the impact that it's going to have on generations because it's going to affect our kids.

Speaker 1 I want to be the one to do whatever it is for my kid. Gosh, how much easier would it be if you could feel great about sending your kid to school and having the school lunch there, not poisoning them?

Speaker 2 And when you look at the statistics for kids, young young adults, 77%, don't qualify for military service because of poor metabolic health.

Speaker 1 The whole goal with making America healthy again is to give people options, more information for you, the American consumer, so that you can make your own decisions and lead a healthier life if that's what you want to do.

Speaker 2 Do you think that there is ever a day where you see public health care potentially covering lifestyle changes? Exercise, meditation.

Speaker 1 I really hope so, because being sick is a symptom of

Speaker 2 the Ultimate Human podcast. Today, we have an incredibly special guest, someone who's making waves in media, politics, and the wellness space.

Speaker 2 She's the host of My View with Laura Trump, so I guess I just gave it away right there.

Speaker 2 It's a powerhouse program that's dominating cable television.

Speaker 2 Just last week, her show was the most watched program of the weekend, drawing in almost 2.5 million viewers, surpassing CNN and MSNBC, and even college basketball and ESPN, featuring guests like the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbert, White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt, and Attorney General Pam Bondi.

Speaker 2 She's delivering must-watch conversations that are reshaping the media.

Speaker 2 Beyond her media success, she's also a passionate advocate for health, wellness, and fitness, particularly when it comes to nutrition and raising active children.

Speaker 2 She's also well known as the wife of Eric Trump, son of our 47th president, Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 But today, we're here to dive deeper beyond politics and headlines to talk about the values, habits, and disciplines that shape her life. We are incredibly lucky to have her with us today.

Speaker 2 Please welcome to the Ultimate Human podcast, Laura Trump. Yay!

Speaker 1 With our black and white ensemble. Yeah, but we didn't even plan it.
We really didn't, but great minds.

Speaker 2 She goes, I got the memo. And I was like, yeah, me too.
I know. And we got our weighted vests on.

Speaker 1 I know. This is an added benefit.
We're cold because we did a cold plunge and we're burning calories because we're wearing our weighted vests.

Speaker 2 So it's going great.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's going great so far. And we had a whole food lunch before we came in here.

Speaker 1 Amazing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she is completely on my bandwagon. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 You know, we, um, she got to the unit, we filmed an episode of her show, and then we walked around and just did a massive amount of biohacking.

Speaker 2 I was, I was actually really psyched that you were getting the cold plunge.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 But I told you I do a cold plunge on my own, but mine is like two degrees colder than yours, which you told me isn't wholly necessary. So maybe we can.

Speaker 2 Well, I had to say that to protect my manhood. I couldn't be like, oh, yours is two degrees colder than mine.
You know, there's a scientific reason why mine is. We had a digestion.

Speaker 1 Yes, yes. But it was awesome.
What a fun day.

Speaker 2 What a fun day. Yeah.
I am so excited to have you on the podcast.

Speaker 2 You know, Liz, I know a lot about you. I've known you and Eric for a long time.
And we've been at a lot of UFC fights together, events together.

Speaker 2 I found out a fun little fact about you oh interesting fun fact you are a bakery chef oh yeah i went to culinary school i'm a pastry chef technically

Speaker 1 yeah well you know what it's funny because i graduated from college and This is a time like I graduated in 2005, not to age myself. Oh my God.

Speaker 1 I was the youngest ever to graduate, but I graduated at a time where the job market wasn't great. And I left college and I found that I was kind of doing odd jobs.
I was a waitress. I was a bartender.

Speaker 1 I I was a part-time personal trainer doing all these different things. And I was also very interested in cooking and baking.
And I would watch like the food network all the time.

Speaker 2 I just thought it was so random.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And so it's one of those funny things where I said, I feel like I want to get out of Wilmington, North Carolina, my hometown, and move somewhere else.

Speaker 1 And culinary school in New York City was the way I got out.

Speaker 1 And I validated my choice to drive alone to New York, to move to a place I knew no one who, you know, where I'd only been to visit like once or twice ever in my life by going to culinary school.

Speaker 1 So technically, I'm a pastry chef, too. Don't ask Eric Trump when I bake it.

Speaker 2 I was just going to say, does Eric Trump? I mean, I don't know if this is good for my Maha movement that we're going to talk about today.

Speaker 1 This is pre-maha.

Speaker 2 Okay, this is pre-maha.

Speaker 1 This is a long time ago, but uh, but it's fun. You know what I loved about it was actually the artistic nature of it because there is an artistry in baking.
It's very cooking.

Speaker 1 You can sprinkle a little of this, a little of that. Um, there's a precision and an artistry in how beautifully you present your pastries.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I totally believe that. And speaking of Maha, we covered a lot of Maha on your show.

Speaker 2 My audience is super fired up about this. You know,

Speaker 2 the fact that two men from polar opposite ends of the spectrum, you know, political spectrum would meet.

Speaker 2 under the guise of really making America healthy again, to me, I think is one of the greatest political happenings of our time. Absolutely.
I really do.

Speaker 2 And I find it just so odd that anyone could be on the opposite side of that coin.

Speaker 2 You know, highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history, the corruption in our food supply and our nutritional research, and that people still find a way to take issue with it.

Speaker 2 You're no stranger to that kind of shit. You don't say.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, by the way, I think you're right. I think we are, we're in such an incredible time.
in the history of our country.

Speaker 1 And for me, look, obviously, I have a certain proximity to it because of my last name, because I was the co-chair of the Republican National Committee during the course of this past election.

Speaker 1 But just to be alive right now, while we are seeing such huge shifts and changes in these spaces that I think are going to make us better off as humankind.

Speaker 1 And it's this moment right now where, to your point, you have RFK Jr., a Democrat. The Kennedy name is synonymous with the Democrat Party.
You have Donald Trump, who very clearly is a Republican.

Speaker 1 They could not be on more different sides of the political aisle, but they have come together because now is the time that I think it's not about politics. It's about making America healthy again.

Speaker 1 It's about really exposing people to what's been going on.

Speaker 1 And you're seeing that happen in Doge, the Department of Government Efficiency, where within our government, all of our taxpayer dollars, really, we don't really know where it goes.

Speaker 1 We're finding out now it's gone to a lot of bad causes and a lot of bad places and things that have nothing to do with America.

Speaker 1 Likewise, I think this ability we're going to have to tap into what really will make us healthy.

Speaker 1 Why is it that here in the United States of America, we're supposed to be, we pride ourselves as being the best in the world at everything, Gary. Why are we seeming to regress in a space?

Speaker 1 Why is it that we are the richest nation in the world? And for some reason, we seem to be the sickest nation in the world. We are.
Parents are like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 What am I feeding my kid every single day? Can I feel comfortable that I'm giving them food that will make them healthy and not sick? And I don't think people feel that way right now.

Speaker 1 I think they're very concerned about it all. So absolutely incredible.
I think it's an awesome time to be alive to

Speaker 1 and to reap the benefits of everything going on.

Speaker 2 I totally agree. And as someone who gets to peek behind the curtain, not just see the show.
Do you really feel that the administration has embraced this and they're really behind the Maha movement?

Speaker 2 Do you think that Bobby Kennedy is going to get the support and the resources that he needs from the administration?

Speaker 2 And do you see this actually going the distance and having real material change in public policy and really addressing some of the rampant corruption and food supply, nutritional research?

Speaker 2 You know, we've got a food pyramid that says Lucky Charms is more nutritious than rapids.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 2 We've got 67% of our kids' diets, our pre-bests and teens diets is highly processed foods.

Speaker 2 Actually, my wife, right when we were getting on your show today, she stuck this breaking news announcement in front of me and it said, what was it, Arizona?

Speaker 2 Arizona passed a state law removing processed foods from the public school system.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's amazing. Well, and I also saw that some fast food outlet also replaced their oil with beef tallow.

Speaker 2 That's amazing.

Speaker 1 Like the movement is happening. The shift is happening.
People are making these changes. And your question, do I think that they're really bought into this? 100%.

Speaker 1 The time we're in right now with Donald Trump as the 47th president, I think is so fascinating.

Speaker 1 And what I always say is, I actually think it's better that he was president for, you know, two terms that were not consecutive.

Speaker 1 Had he been president for eight years in a row, first of all, no one wanted that more than those of us in our family. We all worked for it for 2020.

Speaker 1 It is so much better that he is president now than it ever would have been had he won in 2020 and remained president for the next four years.

Speaker 1 The ability we're going to have to shine a light in all the dark places is unlike anything I think this country has ever seen.

Speaker 1 And so whether it's within the federal government itself, within the bureaucracy that exists there, or whether it's within our general health care system.

Speaker 1 And I have to extend that out to our kids, our schools, like all of it.

Speaker 1 There's so much that needs to be exposed.

Speaker 1 And believe me, Donald Trump is absolutely bought into exposing all of it, resetting things, making sure you as an American feel great about where you're sending your kid to school, what you're putting in your body, where your tax dollars are going.

Speaker 1 All of those things are happening simultaneously. It's incredible.
And yeah, he's got the best partner in Bobby Kennedy to do it.

Speaker 2 I couldn't agree with you more. It's a great time to be alive.
I feel the momentum. I see the momentum and I pray that it continues.
But why do you say that it

Speaker 2 the eight-year term with a four-year break was better than an eight-year term consecutively? You know, I noticed you said that break was probably the best thing.

Speaker 2 Was it because it gave people perspective? It's like, hey, this is how bad things can go. And now we're having change or why that four-year gap was so important?

Speaker 1 It was, it's a little bit of that. It's half, half that.

Speaker 1 I think, you know, sometimes you need to see the other side of things and the alternative for you to realize, you know, maybe what you had in some cases.

Speaker 1 But I would say for my father-in-law as a president,

Speaker 1 it's interesting because everyone knows he was not a politician before he came down the escalator and announced he was running for president in 2015.

Speaker 1 And so his first time in office, there was so much to learn. There was so much that he didn't expect.
I think he thought, okay, I'm going to win the presidency. I'm going to go into the White House.

Speaker 1 Everyone will want the president to succeed because that means a successful America. Right.

Speaker 1 That did not happen in case nobody noticed.

Speaker 2 A few snakes came out of the woodpile there.

Speaker 1 A little different. You know, he didn't have this ability to under to really know.
He had to fill all of these positions within the federal government.

Speaker 1 And there were so many people working against him that were supposed to be working with him and for him.

Speaker 1 So that was an uphill battle initially. I think the American people are more clear-eyed now, looking at Donald Trump and looking at our country as a whole than they were in 2020.

Speaker 1 Maybe we had to go through COVID. Maybe it opened a lot of people's eyes.
Maybe we had to go through Joe Biden being president.

Speaker 1 You know, war starting, inflation rising, open borders, all of these different things have made life tougher, sadly, for a lot of people in this country.

Speaker 1 And so that coupled with the fact that he's, he's a different president now. And I always say, it's funny because I think the first term,

Speaker 1 people were like, here's the mold of president and you got to fit directly into this mold.

Speaker 1 And now he's like, no. I don't need to fit into this mold.
I'm going to fit everything around how I operate.

Speaker 1 And instead of operating the way people said he should, he's operating how he knows, which is as a CEO. Right.
He's really like the CEO of America now and he's operating it like a business.

Speaker 1 And so it's just, I think everything seems to be clicking right now. The team he has around him, Bobby Kennedy, Tulsi Gabbard.
Oh, they're amazing.

Speaker 1 These people who never four years ago would have been part of the team are on the team now. And it's to our benefit.
And I think it's amazing.

Speaker 2 I think it's amazing too. And, you know, I think the biggest hope coming from this message is the impact that it's going to have on generations because it's going to affect our kids.

Speaker 2 You know, and when you look at the statistics for kids that, you know, young adults, 77% of our young military-aged men and women

Speaker 2 don't qualify for military service because of poor metabolic health.

Speaker 2 You know, when you see the percentage of our nutritional research that's funded by private industry, when you see the conflicts of industry and our regulatory agencies going to work in private industry, and when you take this view, when you take a step back back and you go from 30,000 feet, we are privatizing the profits and we're socializing the expense, meaning the expense is dropping onto the taxpayer and the profit is going to private industry.

Speaker 2 And I am a capitalist. Trust me.
I mean, my, my,

Speaker 2 you know, I have a podcast. I sell things, earn money.
I believe in our capitalistic system. But when capitalism is in charge of public policy, I think that's where things begin to go a little wrong.

Speaker 2 So for the moms and the dads out there, especially those that have younger children that are, you know, going into the public school system now,

Speaker 2 talk a little bit about how you're raising younger, healthier kids. I've heard you talk about social media, how you're filtering social media for them, or at least their contact with social media.

Speaker 2 I would love for you to talk about...

Speaker 2 you know, in your busy lifestyle, how are you raising healthy young kids and inspiring them to do the right things when there's so much negative messaging around them?

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, I mean, I maybe I'm a little bit lucky because mine are very young.
They're five and seven.

Speaker 1 But that's old enough that they're aware of the things that are out there. I mean, my son, my seven-year-old asked me when he's going to get a phone every day.
And I'm like, not for a long time, dude.

Speaker 1 Double your age at least.

Speaker 2 And then

Speaker 1 yeah, poor guy. Plus his heart, as we say in North Carolina.

Speaker 2 Especially when the friends start getting them, right?

Speaker 1 Well, that's the thing is, is a lot of my friends have older kids. And so some of them actually have phones already.
He's like, well, so-and-so's got a phone. I'm like, well, it's not you.

Speaker 2 Well, it's not you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Sucks to be you.

Speaker 1 It's hard. It's so hard.
There's so much and it's so different than how I grew up, you know, and how so many of us grew up because we didn't have all of this stuff.

Speaker 1 For me, I also think I'm lucky because I live in Florida where I can use the old adage of, I don't care what you do, just get outside.

Speaker 1 You can do something outside because that's what we like to do with my kids um they're very active they're obviously when they're in school during the day five days a week when they're done with school i get them in all kinds of activities both my kids do jiu-jitsu oh amazing which for for people who don't know brazilian jiu-jitsu for kids is incredible and how old are your kids just five and seven five and seven boy is older girl is younger my five-year-old's a girl my seven-year-old's a boy and they've both been doing jiu-jitsu for maybe three years now wow yeah awesome support um but it's it's actually great because not only does it teach you kind of body control and obviously self-defense, but there's a respect aspect of it.

Speaker 1 You have to be respectful and cognizant of your,

Speaker 1 you know, the instructor and your coach and the people with whom you're fighting because it's all it's all part of it. They're, you know, basketball, football, soccer, gymnastics.

Speaker 1 We do all those things.

Speaker 1 And in my mind, I think back to when I was a kid and I was very involved in sports and activities. And I actually think it kept me out out of a lot of trouble and same with my brother I would say

Speaker 1 screen time they get if they have a great day at school 15 minutes a day right screen that's it and if they if things are not perfect then no screen and people parents are always like but my kid throws a fit I'm like okay we'll take it away for a week and and the next time they start to throw a fit you can remind them that you took it away for the week it's it's a bit of tough love yeah for sure um

Speaker 1 but i think we're all trying to do our best with with the kids these days And I think we're all learning as we go because it's all so new. Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, this is a, we, I feel like we're existing in a new space and there isn't much to guide us. We're having to figure it out.
But I know what worked for me. I know that, you know, sports,

Speaker 1 being outside, being away from, I remember my dad coming home when I was a kid and giving me the old, I don't care what you do, just get outside. My parents were the same way.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I was almost sort of not allowed in the house during the day.
My parents would be like, what are you doing? Yeah.

Speaker 2 And there wasn't a lot of here. Yeah.
We didn't have screen time that I think my generation is the last generation that's actually grown up without a cell phone, without connectivity, without iPads.

Speaker 2 And so we didn't know any different. And so my, the, the rule of thumb at my house was you had to be home by sundown.
And my dad, Captain John Brecca, he had this booming voice and he would go, Gary!

Speaker 2 I could be three acres away on a different farm. I grew up in a very rural area of America and I would start pedaling my bike home.
But as the sun was coming down, that's when I had to come inside.

Speaker 2 Now there's like parents that are,

Speaker 2 you know, Department of Families and Children is investigating them because they'd let them ride their bike, you know, three blocks to

Speaker 2 story. Oh my God, it's insane.
You know, you read these stories and you're like, man, has society gone this rogue that we can't even let our kids play outside anymore?

Speaker 1 This is the basics. Like you, I always want them doing active things outside away from screens.
And I I talk to so many of my friends and I'm like, what is your kid into?

Speaker 1 Thinking they're going to give me like a basketball answer. And they're like, what's the, I don't even know the game.

Speaker 1 It's one of these online games where you like hook up with other people in different places. And

Speaker 1 it's kind of nice.

Speaker 2 Minecraft.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I don't even know one of these.

Speaker 2 My wife's soft. Fortnite.
That's it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. That's it.

Speaker 2 This is like phone a friend over here. Like, I've got my wife.

Speaker 1 I don't even know what it's called, but I know they're, they're all doing it. And I'm like, God, it's just so different.
And you think about the long-term effects.

Speaker 1 What does that mean for these kids who are on a screen or looking at a screen, hunched over? And I don't know.

Speaker 2 Think about the lack of just human bonding and social interaction.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we talked about blue zones earlier where one of the continuity between blue zones was the sense of community, sense of purpose.

Speaker 2 How do you get a sense of community and purpose from a two-dimensional screen? Right. I mean, it's, I still remember like.

Speaker 2 the heart palpitations I would get when you, when I would ask a girl back then, it was called go with me to go with me.

Speaker 2 And you would, and I would write a note and then I would give it to my friend and he do you remember that

Speaker 1 yes no like circle one

Speaker 2 yeah and then you would pass it to her you'd sit there like what's she gonna do and do they still do that no oh that's you don't even have to ask someone to homecoming anymore you just send them a text and then if they say no you go I didn't send that text I don't know what you're talking about how about this one how about when you used to have to call someone's house and ask for them all the parents pick up the phone and the parents pick up the I forgot that one that's like a lost art.

Speaker 1 That's a lost thing. I remember my parents saying, okay, when you call someone's house and the mom or dad answers, you say, hello, Mr.
and Mrs. Smith.
This is Laura. May I please speak to Jessica?

Speaker 1 You know, like there was a, there was a protocol you followed. No one does that anymore, Gary.
Do people even have phones at home anymore? I don't know.

Speaker 2 It's so true. My dad was so much that way.
Like, if my friends wouldn't come over, shake his hands. He was so big on shaking hands.

Speaker 1 And eye contact.

Speaker 2 Eye contact and shaking hands. Maybe it was a military thing.
So now I'm big on the same thing too. Like he's like, never do business with a man with a weak hand.

Speaker 2 I mean, that's like he's.

Speaker 1 I feel like my father-in-law probably subscribes to this.

Speaker 2 Oh, really? Oh, no. I've seen your father-in-law picks people up off the stage.
He comes in hard. He comes in the heart.
Yeah. So I'm just like, that's where the deal making starts, I think.

Speaker 2 With him, he's like, yeah, I got you.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 he's so big on just, you know, the basics. And I feel like a lot of that is just lost.

Speaker 2 And, you know, what's really interesting is in this crazy biohacking world that I'm involved in, you know, the anti-aging and longevity research, bio-optimization, whatever you want to call it, it's so fascinating that a lot of the

Speaker 2 biggest impacts on our longevity and

Speaker 2 our mortality and our bio-optimization are just those basics. Yeah.
Right. Like sunlight, grounding.
Like today, we, you know, we...

Speaker 2 We ate before we came in here and you're like, this food is awesome.

Speaker 1 This food was delicious.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was just whole eggs. It was like...

Speaker 1 Imagine that.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Chicken sausage.

Speaker 1 You didn't use powdered eggs for this one?

Speaker 2 No, I didn't use it. Is that so cute? I knew you were coming.
I was going to feed Laura Trump powdered eggs at my biohacking palace.

Speaker 2 One of my favorite biohacks outside of breathwork by far is mineral salts, Baja Gold sea salt. It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs.

Speaker 2 You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient or fatty acid deficient. We are mineral deficient.

Speaker 2 So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning will make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need. It tastes amazing.
In fact, I made a steak today.

Speaker 2 I actually made a grass-fed steak with grass-fed butter and I put just mushrooms and a little bit of rosemary, and I sprinkled Baja Gold sea salt all over the top.

Speaker 2 Try it, it'll be your new favorite for cooking, too. It's the cheapest and one of my favorite biohacks.
I don't know, a $15 or $20 bag of this will probably last you five years.

Speaker 2 It's literally the world's best biohacking syncretic. Now, let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast.
Another thing that is, you know, I've got a growing female audience, and a lot of these

Speaker 2 young women are

Speaker 2 starting on their business journey. And very often they're starting their business journey with their spouse.

Speaker 2 And my wife and I, Sage, beautiful wife back there, you know, we started a business together 10 years ago

Speaker 2 and took over basically a bankrupt vitamin shop in a strip mall. We started a business in there.

Speaker 2 And I just remember the struggle, the pressure on our relationship, the inability to separate business from pleasure, right?

Speaker 2 And people that tell you, by the way, that you can have a business with your spouse and separate your business from your personal life are flatly flatly lying to you.

Speaker 2 You have a great day at the office. You have a great day at home.
You have a crappy day at office. You can have a crappy day at home.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 maybe not from a business perspective, but

Speaker 2 what you and Eric have gone through, I might even say suffered through, as a couple, as parents, as public figures in the media.

Speaker 2 lots of, you know, some of which we actually talked about right before we got on here, much of it unjust.

Speaker 2 How did you keep that from trickling its way into your marriage? How do you keep the outside world from coming in and getting between

Speaker 2 your marriage, your kids, your parenting, your relationship with your husband? Because you guys speak about each other so fondly. And I know you behind the scenes, not just in front of the camera.

Speaker 2 And I think you're an amazing family. I think the world of your whole family.
Thank you. I've gotten to know so many of you.
The amount of pressure,

Speaker 2 you know, it had to be a hundredfold what Sage and I went through.

Speaker 2 And sometimes I say, you know, the best relationships to me are the ones that actually go through all the things that are meant to tear you apart and you're still there on the other side.

Speaker 2 But I wondered if you just give us some perspective on that.

Speaker 1 Well, I think whenever you are in those very high pressure situations that.

Speaker 1 I hope most people never have to endure, but I think every

Speaker 1 family goes through something.

Speaker 1 We all have whatever it is and i think that it's those moments that can either tear you apart or bring you closer together and i think for us it brought us closer together actually because when you

Speaker 1 feel like you're kind of alone and singled out and everyone seems to kind of be coming after you you really turn to those people who are directly around you who you know you can count on who under you know very few few people thank god who will ever understand the things that our family endured but because of that not only did it bring me closer with Eric, you know, as a couple, but I think our whole family it brought closer together, you know, because there, there is something that is very unique to feeling like you've been targeted and unfairly targeted.

Speaker 1 And to have so many lies told about all of you. Sometimes you just have to turn to one another and say, well, we know the truth.
And we know we'll get through this.

Speaker 1 And we're here to support one another. And I really think that that's, that's what we all did.
And I think, you know, coming out on the other side,

Speaker 1 we're all so much stronger for it.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I think about it a lot in terms of a workout analogy, really, which is that if you work out enough and you lift heavy weights and you do things that kind of hurt when you're doing them, you'll get a callus.

Speaker 1 But when you come back and you try to lift that weight again, the callus is there to protect you. And it actually allows you to do more than you could previously do.
And so.

Speaker 1 In some ways, maybe all of this has been a blessing in disguise because I look at my father-in-law and I look at specifically the person he's turned into as our 47th president.

Speaker 1 I don't know that he would have been as strong as he is right now if he hadn't endured all the things that he did. And I would say that for all of us.

Speaker 2 So in some ways, it's even, it's even a blessing. I mean, it's hard to look at things like that as a blessing.

Speaker 1 In the moment, you don't look at him like that. Let me be very clear.
You look at him like this is terrible. This is happening.

Speaker 2 It's the injustice of just pure fabricated. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It's crazy, which is crazy. And most people out there just don't understand that.

Speaker 1 Just because you read something out there about someone on these obscure websites or news outlets, and I have to put that in air quotes because

Speaker 1 doesn't mean that it's actually true about them. But, you know, I think for all of us, we very quickly realize that the people whose opinions matter are the people who actually know us.

Speaker 1 And it's very easy to

Speaker 1 get, you know, behind a screen and feel safe and type something nasty about somebody.

Speaker 1 But I do think it's made all of us that much stronger.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think so too.

Speaker 2 And, you know, particularly for women, you know, we know that if you look at statistics, you know, about 80, 82% of all autoimmune disease happens in women, happens in females.

Speaker 2 And you have to ask yourself, well, you know, autoimmune diseases are not

Speaker 2 gender specific. You know, they're not

Speaker 2 feminist. They're not racist.
You know, why are so many of these conditions happening in women versus men? And what the data shows is that women have a more difficult time engaging in self-care.

Speaker 2 They're very, they're generally more selfless. They're meant to, you know, bear children, so they become more selfless.

Speaker 2 They're, they spend a lot of their lives putting the needs of other people first. And very often they'll look at self-care as being selfish.

Speaker 2 So talk a little bit about how you've been able to maintain fitness and health. Clearly, it's a priority.

Speaker 2 I mean, this woman is jacked. I mean, she is.

Speaker 2 We were going to cold punch punch and I'm like, I'm a little embarrassed here. Like, she's jacked and tan.
And I'm like, pale and not as jacked.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. But it's got to be a big part of your life.
Yeah. And, and, and, and, and before you answer it, you know, I, I, I just ran this challenge.

Speaker 2 I had this morning routine challenge and I brought some really impactful people on. What was fascinating to me about all of them, Mark Wahlberg, Lauren Renninger.

Speaker 2 Alexia Clark, uh, you know, all these folks that came on to my, my challenge was they all prioritized their, their health and fitness, and they found a way to fit it in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 The majority of people are saying, I just don't have time for that.

Speaker 1 Well, you probably won't like my initial answer, which is I probably don't sleep as much as I should. Okay.

Speaker 1 But I do. Actually, let me ask you this.
I'll ask you a question and then I want to answer the other one.

Speaker 1 Does everyone need the same amount of sleep?

Speaker 2 No, I do not think that everyone needs the same amount of sleep. You know, there's quality of sleep and there's length of sleep, right?

Speaker 2 I mean, REM sleep and deep sleep cycles are really, really important. But the specific time in bed, I mean, my wife will tell you, I'm up, I was up at 4:30 this morning like a spring chicken.

Speaker 1 I know you were because I got a video of you working out.

Speaker 2 I sent her a video of me working out in the hyperbaric chamber. And then she texts me back as me and her and Eric are on a text thread.
And she was like, Well, I'm just working out in a regular gym.

Speaker 1 But I'm in a normal gym. What?

Speaker 2 Normal gym equals normal, normal. Normal human.

Speaker 2 And I said, You deserve better. Aaron, Eric just texts back.
I love this.

Speaker 1 So good. So, okay, so I don't feel so bad.
So, but I probably don't sleep enough. But look, like I think a lot of moms out there, there is so much that falls on us.
And we always feel responsible.

Speaker 1 I always feel like I want to be the one to do whatever it is for my kids. And I'm lucky that I can have people help me that I, cause I can't be in.
three or four places at one time.

Speaker 1 I have to outsource sometimes. But every opportunity I get, I'm there for my kids.
I am typically the last one to go to sleep in my house and the first one to wake up in my house.

Speaker 2 You're one of those people that bullies sleep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 It's, I'm the worst, but I would say that I always go back to the analogy of sort of what we hear in the airplane, which is that whenever there's an emergency situation, you want to put your mask on first before you assist others.

Speaker 1 If you can't take care of yourself and actually do right by you, you're going to be no good to anyone else.

Speaker 1 And anyone who spent enough time around me will tell you, if I don't get a workout in on day two or three, I'm going to probably be miserable to be around.

Speaker 2 Ask Eric Trump.

Speaker 1 Eric Trump. How that goes.

Speaker 2 Babe, go to the gym.

Speaker 1 Please, somebody find her somewhere she can go for a run or something.

Speaker 1 But I think that once it works into your routine, they say it takes two weeks to make a habit. Once it works into your routine, you get used to it and you need it.
And for me, I need that.

Speaker 1 And sometimes that's the only time of the day I get left alone. Yeah.
It's It's the only time I'm not going to answer an email. I'm not, whatever it is, I am focused on me.

Speaker 1 And even if it's a short amount of time, 30 minutes, I take that 30 minutes for me because it's important I'm taken care of so that I can take care of everybody else.

Speaker 2 And you fit this in in the morning usually.

Speaker 1 It's got to be in the morning. Oh my God.
If I waited tonight to do anything, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 No. It'd be like sleeping.
It would just get bullied right out of your skin.

Speaker 2 So first thing. You know, it's interesting.
I've always been told that I needed to learn to meditate. I do breath work, you know, grounding.

Speaker 2 I do try to spend some time in stillness and silence, but I can't meditate. And I've even tried these people that take you on guided meditation.
Wow. And,

Speaker 2 you know, my wife and I, we went on this Ayurvedic retreat. Do you remember that, babe? And it was like nine days in the Boone, Carolina Mountains.

Speaker 1 And that's a long time.

Speaker 2 Way too long. First of all.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Nine days of anything.

Speaker 2 By day four, I was like, I thought I was going to get hives because

Speaker 2 one of my sentences, I call it, when they called it treatment, but I felt like it was a sentence. A sentence.

Speaker 2 I had, because I had attention deficit disorder, the yogi or whatever said, you need to sit in front of, you need to drink a quarter cup of ghee butter and

Speaker 2 sit in front of this big bay window for three hours every day. I go.

Speaker 2 I'm paying for this? Like, what did we pay to be here at this boon? And she goes, a lot. We paid a lot of money to go to this thing.
And so like day one, I was so fidgety.

Speaker 2 I was like, I'm literally going to ask for my money back. Right.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I paid to fly here.

Speaker 1 My husband would not survive this, by the way.

Speaker 2 And look out a window. But what's, what was amazing was I sat there for three hours.

Speaker 2 And towards the end of the third hour, I started to like notice things out the window, like this little squirrel in the branches and this bird coming in and there were some insects running up the tree.

Speaker 2 And then it finally ended. And I was like, thank God that's over.
And then the next day he was like, you have to do the same thing. Oh, my God.
And I was like, are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 And I literally text her mom and I was like, can you put a Snickers bar in a FedEx package, market feminine hygiene? And FedEx it to me.

Speaker 2 This is a true story, isn't it? So second day I'm sitting there and I'm looking out the window and I noticed the same squirrel. And I noticed the same bird.

Speaker 2 And then I noticed the insects coming up the tree. And I actually noticed that the bird and the squirrel kind of interacting.
And then I watched him go through his little daily routine.

Speaker 2 I'm watching the bird build this nest. And I kind of actually got into it a little bit, this little scene that was unfolding.

Speaker 2 And when they came to get me, I thought it had been like 30 or 40 minutes and the whole three hours had gone by.

Speaker 2 And the third day, I couldn't wait to get back there because I wanted to see what was going on.

Speaker 2 And it was just really interesting to me, that perspective of, you know, slowing down and just being present and, you know, increasing your awareness.

Speaker 2 And I've never been able to do it through meditation, but through exercise, this is like an eerily good way to meditate. Yeah.
Because you exercise intensely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're wearing a weighted vest right now.

Speaker 1 My weighted vest. This is not a fashion statement, by the way.

Speaker 1 This is a

Speaker 2 fashionable, but it's very fashionable.

Speaker 2 But so talk a little bit about your morning routine because clearly you're a cold plunger and lots of women are afraid to start doing this. So what was your foray into cold plunging?

Speaker 2 What's your non-negotiables in the morning? How does your morning go from when you get up until you're done your self-care?

Speaker 1 Well, I will, well, first I'll tell you my cold plunge journey is an interesting one because I'll give my husband full credit for introducing me to it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I think a lot of women terrified of cold plunging. I was like, that sounds awful.
Who on earth would shove their bodies in water? Yeah, that's freezing cold.

Speaker 1 Cause I'm a person who operates generally a little chilled. Like I, I, if

Speaker 1 I can, I like to crank the heat up a little bit. I'm, I'm on, I run cold, except at night, and I'm always hot at night.

Speaker 1 And I like that I'm doing the right things by bringing the temperature down in the room. But that said, um, my husband first started cold plunging.
I don't remember who introduced him to it.

Speaker 1 And I was like, all right. How hard could this be? I'm just going to psych myself up and I'm going to go do it.
And the first time I tried it, I probably lasted 15 seconds.

Speaker 1 And I thought it was going to hype.

Speaker 2 yeah, I thought it was going to hyperventilate. You were going to get out right then because you're just still almost through.

Speaker 1 I know you're almost through the bad part. And I felt like I couldn't breathe and I was going to hyperventilate and die.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh my God, because that's your body's natural reaction to being in water that it knows it can't survive in. That's clearly.
So that happened.

Speaker 1 I gave it about a two-month window of time.

Speaker 1 And I started actually researching a little bit and doing my own kind of digging and seeing what was out there.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, so this makes sense that at 15 seconds, I thought I was going to die in there. And I freaked out and got out.

Speaker 1 And so I finally went back and my husband at this time was doing like five minutes or something in the cold punch. And I was like, God, okay, got to do this.

Speaker 1 And so I understood that if I just suffered through the first 20 seconds, it wasn't going to get worse than that. And I did.
And what did you do?

Speaker 2 Just bite down and go, didn't I need 7654321? Or like, my, my wife plays positive affirmations. Oh, right.

Speaker 2 Which I'll tell you a really funny story, actually, is she got in the cold punch this morning. And because you're coming here, obviously, Secret Service is walking around.
She didn't know.

Speaker 2 It's like 7:30 in the morning this morning. Sage gets out of the sauna.

Speaker 2 She gets into the cold punch. And your secret service opens the door.
There's this armed dude with the earpiece.

Speaker 2 He goes, sorry, ma'am.

Speaker 2 And she goes, don't mind me.

Speaker 1 Nothing to see here.

Speaker 2 Yeah. She goes, that was the first.
I don't think I've ever had Secret Service walk in on me during the Cold Punch.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, I just, I just got through it. And look, I, I have, um, I've been an athlete my whole life.
So an athlete mine, you just tell yourself you're going to do something.

Speaker 1 So I got through it. And all of a sudden, I'm like at three minutes.
And I was like, oh, well, this wasn't so bad after all. Yeah.
And then you get kind of addicted to it.

Speaker 1 And then you crave that feeling afterward because you feel amazing after you get out of a cold punch.

Speaker 2 I'm talking to you about that today.

Speaker 1 And so, I mean, look, I love doing that. Do I have time for it every day? No.
Right. But I would say that I try to do it three days a week.

Speaker 1 Every day, though, I do try to fit in some form of exercise. And that's generally the first thing I do.

Speaker 1 Now, sometimes it'll come after I get my kids to school, but most days it's very early before anybody's up. Right.

Speaker 1 And I try to move my body. Some days it's weightlifting.
Some days it's CrossFit. Some days it's swimming, running.
I do triathlons. I think you used to do triathlons.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I did.

Speaker 1 And so I just like to incorporate. whatever the day will allow me.

Speaker 1 If I have more time, I can fill it with an activity, with exercise for sure, but sometimes it's 30 minutes. And I do whatever it is, and that is 100% necessary for my day.

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Speaker 2 I also want to talk about a big, big, big new thing in your life right now i feel like you're really reaching maybe the pinnacle of your professional career so far right so far with the launch of your new show yeah thank you um wildly successful launch congratulations thank you very much um you know how how did this come about i mean was this always something that you wanted to do were you always as an athlete were you always interested in media do you like being in front of the camera did you i mean you were you were chairman of the rnc i mean you you've you've had a lot of public persona, you know,

Speaker 2 you know, in your career, but

Speaker 2 talk a little bit about the show. Like, how did it come about? Did Fox hit you up? And like, hey, do you want your own show? Or,

Speaker 1 I mean, to a certain extent. So I worked for Fox.

Speaker 1 Gosh, how many years ago was it now? I worked for Fox from 2021, like January of 21 until November of 2022 when my father-in-law announced he was running for president again. Right.
And

Speaker 1 I really enjoyed working there. And I was a contributor, which means I went on all the different shows.
I didn't have my own show,

Speaker 1 but I was, you know, commentated and this, that, and the other. And, and I really enjoyed it.
And everybody treated me very nicely there. And then we had the election.
We won the election.

Speaker 1 I had to decide exactly what my life was going to be on the other side of that election. I knew I didn't want to remain as RNC co-chair.
In fact, that was a job that initially I said no to. Really?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, who wants to, who wants to be responsible for all of it during the most critical heavy election of our lifetime? Yes. My father-in-law called and asked me to do this job like last January.

Speaker 1 He asked if I would run for RNC co-chair and I immediately was like, no.

Speaker 1 I said, I was like, no.

Speaker 2 A lot of people say no to DJT.

Speaker 1 Well, listen. He called and asked me to do it.
And I was like, you really think I'm the right person for this job? I've got these kids. I have all these other professional things I'm working on.

Speaker 1 I had a clothing line, I was, uh, a fitness clothing line I was working on, um, a documentary I'm working on, all these different things happening.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I don't, I don't think this is right for me. And he goes, Okay, no pressure.
It's got to be you.

Speaker 2 I was like,

Speaker 2 your impression is really good. Okay, no pressure.
Gotta be you.

Speaker 1 But honey, you think about it. You let me know.
And I was like, oh my gosh. But it was really at night, tucking my kids in bed that night.
I looked at my kids and I was like,

Speaker 1 you know, I never want to look back and say, what if? What if I would have said yes to this? What if I was, you know, the person in this role and it could have made a difference.

Speaker 1 And so obviously, we all know what happened. I ended up, I ended up as RNC co-chair.
And, but I told my father-in-law, I said, I'm not going to stay there after the election.

Speaker 1 I will get us through this election.

Speaker 1 I will work as hard as I can to ensure integrity in our electoral process, fair election, all the things necessary. And then I'm going to resign as co-chair, which I did.

Speaker 1 And so then that laid out my next chapter: what am I going to do?

Speaker 1 There was an open Senate seat here in the state of Florida.

Speaker 2 And I actually remember this on Hannity.

Speaker 1 Yeah, talking about this.

Speaker 1 And so Marco Rubio had been tapped to be Secretary of State. He's been a senator here in Florida for a long time.
And his seat would be vacant.

Speaker 1 That seat is appointed, you know, the person who fills it by the governor, Ron DeSantis. And I really seriously thought about that.
And a lot of people were pushing me me to do that.

Speaker 1 And then I did get a call from Fox one day and it just had a nice chat.

Speaker 1 And in that midst of that chat, it was like, well, listen, if this is something you're interested in, we'd love to have you back.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, maybe, you know, we just talked and threw around ideas. And it ended up that this is the path I chose.
I'm very blessed. 9 p.m.
every Saturday night.

Speaker 1 I have my own show, which is Gary.

Speaker 2 It's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 Crazy. It's so crazy.
Do you ever look back? Like sometimes, I kid you not, like I look around and I'm like, I feel like I'm living somebody else's life.

Speaker 1 How did I get here?

Speaker 2 Like somebody could literally show up in my condo one day and be like, bro, this was all a ruse. Out you go.
And I'd be like, I knew it. Let me grab my shit.
You know, I say this all the time.

Speaker 1 I'm like, what is going on here? I'll tell you, like the wildest one for me, the first show we had, which thank you for pointing out, it was hugely successful.

Speaker 1 Almost two and a half million people tuned into it.

Speaker 1 But I was getting ready to go over and do these interviews with the press secretary, the director of national intelligence, and the attorney general of the United States.

Speaker 1 And I am standing in the White House looking in a mirror. And I was like, oh my God, I had this moment where I was like, how, what, how did this happen?

Speaker 1 Because I grew up like probably so many people in this country. And I could have never in my wildest dreams guessed that I would do all of this.
But

Speaker 1 the show itself is different. It's different than anything else people will find on Fox News.
The news cycle is nuts. It is crazy every day, 24-7.
It's just constant, constant, constant.

Speaker 1 And so for me, I was like, you know,

Speaker 1 I want to approach things a little differently.

Speaker 1 And I want people to see the folks whose names are splashed across their television and headlines every day, but really get to know who they are to a certain extent. And so you go a little bit deeper.

Speaker 1 And I want to do episodes on Maha, Making America Healthy Again, which is what we're doing.

Speaker 2 You're doing your second episode.

Speaker 1 Yes, you're on my second episode.

Speaker 2 Like for me, that's one of those moments for you. Like looking in the mirror, I'm like, am I going to be a Baron Trump's second episode?

Speaker 2 Well, because

Speaker 1 these are the things that are shaping our country and our world right now. These are the people

Speaker 1 and the

Speaker 1 movements that are changing the country. And I think it's very exciting.
So I'm trying to get deeper into that and really expose people to. My view of those things.

Speaker 2 And are you allowed to have some editorial control? I mean, or is there absolutely. Okay.
So they're not just like, no, this is a hot topic. This is trending right now.
You can't talk about this.

Speaker 2 You can talk about that.

Speaker 1 I mean, what's actually a little bit because I always wonder if that's going on behind the scenes. Okay, can I tell you, and this was actually nuts to me and a little bit scary for me.

Speaker 1 Whenever I first said, we, you know, sat down after this was officially going to happen. I was going to have this show.
They said, all right, what do you want your show to be about?

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, so no one like tells me. I just.
decide this on my own. Okay.
And they said, you know what? Whatever you want to do, we want you to do. the show has to be yours.

Speaker 1 That's why people are going to tune in. That's why people are going to want to watch.
It's got to be yours. So you make it what you want, which is a little bit scary for me because now

Speaker 2 this is all on me, Gary.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You're like, I just got my own show. It's like the same thing with my podcast.
You know, I determine who comes on, who doesn't come on. And, and you have to add value to the audience.
Of course.

Speaker 2 Right. And because you're really in service to them, right? You don't own the podcast.
The podcast owns you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's a commitment, you know, every single week, every single, I mean, you, you have a, you have a date and time for the the show and you have to be prepared and you have to deliver a product right and you have to do it over and over and over again and in a way it's really inspiring and exciting and in a way it's terrifying

Speaker 1 yeah and it's i'm so happy to hear that you're terrified too i'm terrified most of the time no because look i i obviously anything i put my name on i want to give 110 to i want to deliver a great product whether it's as co-chair of the rnc or whether it's as host of you know my own show on Fox.

Speaker 1 And so it's been really amazing that they were just kind of like, yeah, well, whatever you want to do, just do it. And I was like, okay.

Speaker 2 So I'm doing it. Yeah.
Yeah. And then when you ask for that and then you get it and then you're like, oh my God, I got to put together all this programming.

Speaker 2 And you got to start thinking about the guests that I put on. And are they too controversial? Are they too this way? Are they that way? I sort of

Speaker 2 shed that. now.
I think the audience that follows me knows that we're just authentically in the pursuit of whatever makes you better, live longer, healthier, happier lives.

Speaker 2 Speaking of which, you know, getting sort of back to Maha for a moment,

Speaker 2 when we look at

Speaker 2 our healthcare system and the bloated amount of bureaucracy and spending that's going on and the inefficiency in keeping people healthy, you know, we're really good at emergency medicine.

Speaker 2 There are these terms like functional medicine. lifestyle medicine.
And a lot of these don't have a place. They don't have a seat at the table in modern medicine right now.

Speaker 2 Lifestyle medicine would be things like we were talking about before the podcast, where, you know, if you're type 2 diabetic or you're morbidly overbes or you have a metabolic syndrome, conditions that we know can be reversed with dietary and lifestyle changes.

Speaker 2 And in other words, they're modifiable risk factors. They're in your control.

Speaker 2 And because there's no mechanism for a physician to get paid, it doesn't make the physician a bad person, but they have to make a living.

Speaker 2 But if you come in to see me, I'm your primary care and you're a little overweight, I'll bill you for an office visit. And I'll, you know, I'll bill you for a script, maybe for a Zempic or Wagovi or

Speaker 1 they've also been taught that too. Yeah.
And I think it's hard for some people to think outside the box and, you know, that they were taught, which is like, okay, for this, we do this.

Speaker 1 There's just a direct line of, and there's no ability to think outside of that. I think for some physicians, not all of them, but for some.
And I think it's easy to write a script for somebody.

Speaker 1 It's not easy to sit somebody down and say, listen, if you really want to take your health seriously, if you really want to feel better for the rest of your life, then these are the changes you need to make.

Speaker 1 People always, you know, they want to just write something down and help me feel better right now. Right.

Speaker 2 And, you know, and I think some of the pushback that I receive for being associated with MA, and I'll just say I'm not officially in any kind of government role for MA.

Speaker 2 I don't work for the administration or have a role

Speaker 2 there. Other than I'm an enormous supporter and

Speaker 2 have committed my entire platform to helping get that message out. But, you know, one of the interesting pushbacks that I get is that you're going to take away all of our freedom of choice.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 I know what my answer is to that. I would love to hear what your answer is to that.
I mean, because I don't think the intention is we're going to tell people, stop smoking, stop drinking.

Speaker 2 You can't buy a vape pen.

Speaker 2 You can't drink a two liter of soda if you want to drink a two liter of soda from my perspective it's it's we're going to get the unnecessary poisons out of the food supply which no one should disagree with right you know if you're eating something and it's colored red and you can't taste the difference and one is poisonous and one is not why are you fighting us getting you know the poisonous form of that dye right out of the food system i'm not telling you you can't eat cereal telling you probably shouldn't eat cereal if you want to be healthy but um so how how do you fight that narrative?

Speaker 2 Do you, you fought a bunch of false narratives in your life?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I feel like you have a PhD.

Speaker 2 We probably should

Speaker 1 at this point. You know, it's interesting because we live in this information age.

Speaker 1 You know, we have access via our phones, via computers, whatever it is, to anything we want to get at a, you know, a moment's notice.

Speaker 1 But it doesn't feel like we have all of the information when it comes to our health.

Speaker 1 It actually feels like a lot of times people have put blinders on us and said, like, this is the only way you can look at it. You can't look over in this area and you can't look over there.

Speaker 1 It's just got to be this one, one area. And I think the whole goal with making America healthy again is to give people options.
No one wants to take anything away from you.

Speaker 1 If you want to go out and you want to smoke 12 packs a day, you're an American and you have that option to do it. What I think we want to do is give you the information.

Speaker 1 Okay, if you decide to smoke 12 packs a day, here's exactly what's going to happen to your body. Now, when it comes to cigarettes, I think we already all know.

Speaker 1 But what we're talking about right now is informing people in terms of what is in their food, what it is that they're consuming, what is it that on a daily basis is impacting their health that they may not be aware of.

Speaker 2 That's what I do.

Speaker 1 And I think that that's very important.

Speaker 1 Now, the things like, you know, fluoride in our water or having pesticides on everything that we ingest, those are things that I think all of us could probably agree.

Speaker 1 If it's something that is making us less healthy and we have the ability, like the red dye,

Speaker 1 to get it out of our food supply, I don't know how anyone argues against that. The goal with all of this.

Speaker 1 is more information for you, the American consumer, the American citizen, so that you have actual informed consent.

Speaker 1 You can make your own decisions and lead a healthier life if that's what you want to do.

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Speaker 2 I'm actually opening some functional medicine clinics on the other side of the world

Speaker 2 in Dubai and the United Arab Emirates.

Speaker 2 Eventually I'll come back to the U.S. and do the same thing.
But one of the

Speaker 2 interesting conversations that I have when I'm over there is they don't have a medical system. They have socialized healthcare.

Speaker 2 And so eventually all of these expenses roll up to concentrated families.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 they don't have a profit center based on disease. You know, here we make $110 billion a year on type 2 diabetes alone.

Speaker 2 So I think it's going to be hard to imagine a day where there's a meeting in a boardroom where they're going, hey, Stan, how do we get this $110 billion off the balance sheet?

Speaker 2 And that's the main driver. But there's a thread moving through all of these conversations that I've been having.
And it is that in a lot of ways, they feel somewhat duped by Western medicine.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 Because they're realizing now that the ballooning cost of caring for chronically ill people, people that get really, really sick and die fast are going to drag on the system.

Speaker 2 It's those chronic conditions that just sort of linger. So you suffer for a

Speaker 2 lifetime period of time. Yeah.
Right. I mean, you might die at 82, but you really started dying at 65.
Right. And

Speaker 2 so their view is we're actually going to put in billions of dollars, tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars into this preventative system where we focus on wellness, we focus on healthy lifestyle habits, and we're going to actually subsidize some of these to push down this tail risk of expense that is coming.

Speaker 2 And, you know, very superficially, it's a cost-benefit analysis. I think the same thing could potentially happen here in the country.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 But do you think that there is ever a day where you see Medicaid, Medicare,

Speaker 2 you know, know,

Speaker 2 public health care potentially covering things like diet and lifestyle changes, you know, exercise meditation, peptides. I hope so.

Speaker 1 I really hope so. I do too.
Because

Speaker 2 look,

Speaker 1 we have to shift the way we think in so many respects, which is that people wait until they get sick and then they want to treat. the symptoms of being sick, right?

Speaker 1 And being sick is a symptom of something else that's going on in your body, right?

Speaker 1 If we can prevent the symptoms from ever occurring because we are leading healthier lifestyles, not only do we feel better all the time, but then the cost associated with treating those symptoms doesn't exist anymore.

Speaker 1 And so why wouldn't we want to front load things for ourselves and say, we're going to have all around a healthier society because we're going to inform people in terms of.

Speaker 1 actually what makes them healthy, actually, you know, altering their lifestyles so that they don't have to end up on these pharmaceuticals, so that they don't have to end up in a hospital or a long-term care facility one day.

Speaker 1 Gosh, what a great thing that would be for our country, Gary.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But what's amazing is that, you know, there's this sort of underlying narrative developing that, that that's bad, or there's some subversive agenda there, or there's some, you know, profit center that, that we're all trying to get to because, you know, we were advocating for a healthier food system.

Speaker 2 And I think they're all

Speaker 1 there's always going to be that.

Speaker 1 Well, what I would, I would actually push back on that with the opposite, which is that the way it's been going, and you can compare, there's a lot of comparisons that I can make between our federal government and our healthcare system, which is that there's a lot that's been going on that I don't think people are truly aware of.

Speaker 1 And I think the more information we're able to get out there, we're getting it through Doge and our, you know, bureaucracy right now.

Speaker 2 So scary. It's terrifying.

Speaker 1 I mean, it really is. And isn't it upsetting every single day to realize, oh my God, we've been paying $10 million for circumcisions in Ghana.
We've been paying $15 million for Sesame Street in Iraq.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 how is this impacting the United States in any way?

Speaker 2 It's mind-numbing and it's crazy. I mean, I actually know people

Speaker 2 family members of employees of mine that were affected by the tornadoes in the Carolinas.

Speaker 2 And, you know, some of them still don't have homes. Absolutely.
And

Speaker 2 we're like, well, where did all the money go? And then, you know, again, this is usually not a political platform, and I don't want to turn it into one.

Speaker 2 But when you start saying, well, where did all the money go? And then you find out

Speaker 2 some of the places this went to these NGOs, these non-what do they call them? Government organizations, non-governmental organizations.

Speaker 2 They were just essentially fronts for a bunch of nonsense. And

Speaker 2 these people that are really hurting and they're really in need are not getting,

Speaker 2 you know, they're not getting the basic care.

Speaker 1 They pay into our tax system. They pay into, you know, you, you hope that as a law-abiding citizen, you pay your taxes every April.
You do the right things.

Speaker 1 You know, it's taken out of your paycheck, whatever it is. And then, God forbid, you ever need it.
It's there for you in the form of FEMA.

Speaker 1 You know, it's, it's actually working to improve your life or improve the school system in your area, whatever it is. And sadly, that's not what's been happening.
And so that's the federal government.

Speaker 1 But then simultaneously, I could take it over and look at like the healthcare system that we've had for so long in the United States.

Speaker 1 And it does feel like, look, there's, there's certainly a lot of money at stake for a lot of people. And there are a lot of folks out there who probably don't want us to go down the Maha path because

Speaker 1 it impacts their bottom line. Because if you are a person who makes your living off of people being sick all the time, you probably don't like the idea of people being healthy all the time.

Speaker 1 So you have to consider that when you hear all of this information out there. I think the goal overall, like I said a few minutes ago, is to give people information.

Speaker 1 More information is always better than less. Let people make their own decisions in terms of their health care choices and their lifestyle choices.

Speaker 1 And I would love to see, by the way, functional medicine, alternative medicine,

Speaker 1 clinics that we could all visit that wouldn't be, you know, you walk into one of these urgent care facilities. Why can't it be alternative or functional medicine? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Can you imagine if you went in to see your primary care physician and you're like, you know, I mean, it's just weight is just.

Speaker 2 hurting my joints and heavy and they did some blood work and they were like, yeah, you're on the borderline for diabetes. You're pre-diabetic.
Here's what we're going to do:

Speaker 2 we're going to get you some nutritional coaching. You're going to start a

Speaker 2 daily exercise program. Here's where you're going to start with walking, with

Speaker 2 slowly getting back to a whole food diet.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 we're going to get you outside more often, and then we're going to see you in a few months and see how you're doing and find a way to reward physicians and practitioners.

Speaker 2 Not, I mean, the reduction in the total cost of caring for a chronically ill person in this country,

Speaker 2 just a 15% reduction in that is mind-numbing. Oh, my gosh.
You're talking about three-quarters of a trillion dollars a year. And this isn't by making everybody into super athletes.

Speaker 2 This is just tapping, you know, the metabolic syndrome, which is creeping down into younger and younger and younger ages. And I think there's also...

Speaker 2 you know, an opportunity for us to really affect, you know, public school systems. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I mean, this law that was just passed, I mean, i pray that that's true i i saw it on social media so i don't know if it is or not where they said we're not allowing you know processed foods that was arizona right yeah i mean processed foods in the public school system arizona i mean things like that catching on like a brush fire you know as a mother yeah um you've got to be really inspired um like that because for you it's got to be tough too i mean um you know how are you getting your kids into training them to be you know having healthy habits if they're constantly around kids that are not it's very hard.

Speaker 1 It's very hard. And the thing is, I'll pack my kids' lunches and I'll be very proud of

Speaker 1 what I pack for them because I really do try to give them as much whole food as they will eat. And it's not perfect with kids for sure.

Speaker 1 And then they'll come home and they'll say, so-and-so had this fruit roll-up thing. And I'm like, oh my God, can we get those? I'm like, no, we can't get those.

Speaker 1 And they always want to know, but why? But, you know, so-and-so had it at this point.

Speaker 2 Their parents love them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm like, oh, my.

Speaker 2 By the way, I use corn and fruit roll-ups.

Speaker 1 Their mom must care about them.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, okay. That's the way.
It's hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's hard. But yeah, I mean, look, it's challenging.
But gosh, how much easier would it be for every parent out there if this was just kind of how it was that?

Speaker 1 you know, you could feel great about sending your kid to school and having the school lunch there. And it was going to be healthful for them and not poisoning them.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, I'm so inspired by that.
I'm so excited about our future.

Speaker 2 You're the same way. You know, I know what health and fitness and Whole Foods have done for me and for my family.
And I feel like I want everybody to feel like that. Of course.

Speaker 2 And when you look at these

Speaker 2 broad studies where they go into prison systems or public school systems and they do a pilot study where they just make a shift to Whole Foods, simple things like that.

Speaker 2 You know, the rates of violence and inmates go down. The rates of what they were diagnosing as attention tension deficit disorders and learning disabilities actually go down.

Speaker 2 Dr.

Speaker 2 Hyman talks about this all the time. And it's so fascinating.
I think the switch is finally beginning to flick for people that what we put into our bodies matters.

Speaker 2 I mean, we know that to an extent, but we're starting to realize that like the forever chemicals, the fluorides, the seed oils, these microtoxins that we keep putting into our system, eventually they build up and they blow the engine.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And you know, you know, where else I'd like to see it is if you haven't been into a hospital recently, which I hope no one has, but if you go visit anyone in a hospital and just the general food that they will serve you.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. It is like they have like the pudding packs.
They have, it's all, it's just, it's garbage. And I'm like, okay, you are here in a place because you are sick.
You are unwell.

Speaker 1 We're trying to get you out of here so that you can go live your life. And this is is what you're being given.

Speaker 2 It was astounding. You know, this, you're, you're really touching a heartstring for me and my wife's wide-eyed off the camera.

Speaker 2 She just actually did a post on this. When was that? Like

Speaker 2 last month. Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 So I have a dear friend of mine of 35 years.

Speaker 2 He's two years younger than I am,

Speaker 2 recently diagnosed with stage four metastatic colon cancer. Oh, my God.
And

Speaker 2 it's going to be a message of hope because I'm assembling a clinical care team that's going to walk him out of this over the next few months i'm actually inspired uh for him and i have no doubt that he's going to be okay but we but he's not in the in the standard healthcare system um but he ended up because of sepsis he ended up at uh mayo clinic in in scottsdale and and huge shout out first of all to the mayo clinic for saving his life because there is no question my friend would not be on the surface of this earth if it were not for the care that he received there.

Speaker 2 What it was that critical interventional care.

Speaker 2 You know, I mean, this, it looked like an absolute chemistry lab when I walked into his, his room, you know, potassium, you know, calcium pumps, plasma, you know,

Speaker 2 and they just did an incredible job at stabilizing him and getting him in a position where he could go start a different, you know, more, more holistic care for his, for his condition. But

Speaker 2 to your point, you know, we walked into the,

Speaker 2 you know, the ICU at

Speaker 2 Mayo Clinic. I mean, these are the sickest people on the planet.
Yeah. And my friend was in a very serious condition.

Speaker 2 And there was

Speaker 2 the jello with

Speaker 2 the red dyes and the fake sugar. There was pureed applesauce and then can of soda.
And I even spun the can of soda around. I was like, holy cow, 54 grams of sugar, pureed applesauce.

Speaker 2 And I saw, you know, the levels of nutrients and

Speaker 2 minerals and electrolytes crashing in his blood.

Speaker 2 But I'm like, like there's no what's even in there yeah going into the body yeah and this is what's being fed you know i i would consider mayo clinic the you know the i mean they're the top dog yeah um and the best care and critically there's no doubt that they saved his life but i but i believe that you know this is another area where our healthcare system is broken because it still shows you that even the the best of that healthcare has to offer still doesn't really embrace the fact that diet and lifestyle has an impact on all this stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Sort of happens to people.

Speaker 1 We're in that shift space, though. I really feel it.
And I think that people are going to start demanding it. And I think that that's the shift that we've seen happen.

Speaker 1 You know, people are finally aware of things for the first time. And I think I hope it translates to schools.
I hope it translates to hospitals. I hope it translates everywhere.

Speaker 1 But I think it's, you know, it's going to take people demanding it to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 again, normally my podcast is not

Speaker 2 political, but there's something in the news.

Speaker 1 I'm inherently political, Gary.

Speaker 2 I know. You're drawing me in there.
Like, here we are. Come on in.
Yeah. Hey, I lost 47,000 followers when I posted

Speaker 2 a picture of Bobby Kennedy and I together.

Speaker 2 I went through, you know, when I would post pictures with your dad at UFC, I would take a little downtick. And then there was one, some when I

Speaker 2 went to the inauguration. And then I posted one with Bobby Kennedy, I lost 47,000, but then I gained 153,000.
I was like, oh, the tide's shifting here. Look at that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 There is

Speaker 2 one major event

Speaker 2 going on in the world right now

Speaker 2 that I'm praying your father-in-law is going to solve. And I'm really hopeful.

Speaker 2 And it looks like he's going to get it done because we actually have friends that are intimately involved in this conflict with Ukraine and Russia. And I don't think a lot of of

Speaker 2 citizens in America really understand how this industrial war complex works, where it's a giant profit center or more.

Speaker 2 It's hard for people to believe that we actually may want to engage or support wars as a profit center, just like it's hard to wrap your arms around the fact that diabetes is a profit center,

Speaker 2 and so is hypothyroid and cardiac disease and high cholesterol.

Speaker 2 These are actually profit centers. And there's something to be said for

Speaker 2 when there's so many tens of billions of dollars to be earned from a conflict like what is happening in Russia and

Speaker 2 Ukraine,

Speaker 2 that you have to wonder what the agenda really is. Are we really trying to save humanity? And do we really want to stop all these lives from being shed?

Speaker 2 Or is there a more sinister motive behind it?

Speaker 2 Do you, are you hopeful? I mean, we've already seen the world kind of calm down. I've actually personally spent a lot of time on that other side of the world.

Speaker 2 And I can tell you that there is a very,

Speaker 2 it's very positive, like the spirits are being lifted and that we may see this peace blanket start to wrap around that area of the world. Do you think your father-in-law is going to be successful?

Speaker 2 There I do.

Speaker 1 You do? I do. I think,

Speaker 1 you know, the first term in office, you had no new wars, first president in 82 years to have no new wars, Donald J. Trump.

Speaker 1 And you also had the Abraham Accords, historic peace agreements in the Middle East, something that people said would never happen. Donald Trump was the one to do it.

Speaker 1 And the irony, of course, is that there was hysteria around the fact that Donald Trump would have the nuclear codes, Donald Trump would get us in World War III.

Speaker 1 And if you take his first term in office and take a look at it, he was the anti-war president.

Speaker 1 He was working on our, what would have been, I think, a bit of a different exit from Afghanistan.

Speaker 1 But he doesn't want the American people to be involved in conflicts that we don't need to be involved in. And you're right, there is an industrial war complex.

Speaker 1 And some people understand what that means. Some people don't.
In the same way that there are some out there incentivized for us all to be sick.

Speaker 1 And because it's the profit margins are huge, there's a ton of money to be made by the American people staying in a perpetual state of sickness.

Speaker 1 Likewise, there's a lot of money to be made when there are wars around the world that the American people have to engage in.

Speaker 1 Yes. And there are a lot of people who make a lot of money off of it, a lot of kickbacks,

Speaker 1 a lot of it.

Speaker 1 And the great news with Donald Trump, and one of the things that I think some people came to know very quickly about him, some are learning, is that Donald Trump has made his money.

Speaker 1 Donald Trump is not interested in anything other than doing the best job he possibly can for this country. And it always made me laugh when people would say, like, what's he getting from Putin?

Speaker 1 What's he getting from this one?

Speaker 2 He's not getting anything. It's crazy.

Speaker 1 It's absolutely not scary. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 I'll give you 100 grand if you can.

Speaker 1 Yeah, like it's, it's, it's absolute insanity.

Speaker 1 He is 100% committed. to getting us out of these conflicts, to ending these conflicts.
He talks consistently about the fact that the bloodshed in Ukraine has been horrific.

Speaker 1 The people that they're losing and that the Russians are losing is terrible. You know, the Middle East, you look there too.
And

Speaker 1 I do believe he will be successful in it. And I think, you know, sometimes it's a little bit of you have to have peace through strength.
And people see him. He's a strong leader.

Speaker 1 They know when he draws the line in the sand, he's not joking. He absolutely means what he says.
And so I think Vladimir Putin respects that enough to say, you know what?

Speaker 1 I don't know that I want to engage this guy either. So I think they all want to get out of it.
I think, I think everyone wants it to end, including Russia, obviously Ukraine.

Speaker 1 And I do think he'll be successful.

Speaker 2 That is so amazing.

Speaker 2 Laurie, you're amazing.

Speaker 2 I could literally talk to you forever.

Speaker 1 I know I said to you when I got here, I could spend 10 hours now.

Speaker 2 I get to be on your show again.

Speaker 1 Oh, I hope so, too.

Speaker 2 I definitely hope you'll come back and do the Ultimate Human podcast again. Yes.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I have a VIP group. These are like my staunchest followers.

Speaker 2 They pay to be a part of my VIP membership group. They knew you were coming on.
So they've got a list of questions for you.

Speaker 2 So we're going to go into this little private room and I'm going to allow the questions that they ask to for you to answer those.

Speaker 2 For those of you that are interested in becoming an ultimate human VIP, you can go over to theultimathuman.com and just sign up to be one of my VIPs.

Speaker 2 But Laura, I end. every one of my podcasts the same way by uh asking all my guests the same question and what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Oh.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't know that I am the ultimate human, but I think we're always striving to be

Speaker 2 pretty ultimate.

Speaker 1 I'm doing, she got here today.

Speaker 2 I'm like, you're jacked.

Speaker 1 I'm doing my best. We're all doing our best, I think.

Speaker 1 You know, in my mind, the ultimate human is someone who is able to balance. all different aspects of life.
And whether that's health and fitness, whether it's family life, whether it's social life,

Speaker 1 you know, you want to have, to me, a great balance of all of them. And I don't know that any of us ever fully achieve it, but I think we're all striving for it.

Speaker 1 I can tell you every day, I'm trying to do the best I can as a mom, as a wife, as a daughter, as a daughter-in-law, as the host of a show, as, you know, all the different things.

Speaker 1 And so to me, I think the ultimate human is someone who can balance it all.

Speaker 2 That's amazing. Well, my audience knows who you are, but those that don't can tell them where they can find you, where they can find the show.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 So you can follow me on social media at Lara Lee Trump, L-A-R-A-L-E-A. I know, I don't know what my parents are doing there.

Speaker 2 R-A-L-E-A.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's really wild. Laura Lee Trump on Instagram, on X, on TikTok, on all the different things.
And then my show is called My View on Fox. It's 9 p.m.
Every Saturday night.

Speaker 1 My View F-N-C is the handle for all social media as well. Amazing.

Speaker 2 I will be be on her next show. So I hope you guys tune in and we wish her luck with this show.
Congratulations on the new show and the new career and congratulations on an amazing launch of your show.

Speaker 2 And I hope you come back on the yellow panel. I hope so too.
Until next time, guys, that's just science.