139. Mike Rashid: Why This Fitness Icon Trains at 5 AM & Fasts All Day To Achieve Peak Performance

Being in shape is loving yourself. Today is the youngest you will ever be.
So start getting crazy about your nutrition, your training, your meditation, your community, all that. Do that now.
There's such a physical connection to the mind. I think if you are weak physically, you have a tendency to be weak mentally.
I don't see a separation. When your mind is healthy, you're going to define what success is and you're going to have success.
I think that we have a pandemic not of mental illness in this country. I think we have a pandemic of a lack of mental fitness.
Adults need to think like children with a lot of things. Limitless.
We can do anything. And then we'll add a little discipline to it when we're starting to formulate these ideas.
But we got to think creatively like children. You care for yourself.
You're dedicated. You

probably have discipline, not just motivation. So just talk about fitness, the foundation

for you and how has that shaped you as an entrepreneur? I have a mentorship community

and the foundation is training. It's about more um as you probably heard from his background, he's a fitness icon, an entrepreneur, but like many of my guests, passion and purpose-driven individuals.
So welcome to the podcast, Mike Rashid. Thank you.
Thanks for having me. It's an honor and a pleasure.
Thank you, man. Indeed.
I appreciate that. You know, it's a very, very common theme that I talk about at the beginning of most of my podcasts, and that's that I find that the most impactful people, the most passionate and the most purpose-driven people in the world, have solved some kind of problem in their life.
And, you know, I look back at your background. You didn't have, I mean, I would call it a troubled background, if you're okay with that term.
And I'd love for you to talk about, we're going to talk about some of your successes and some of your passions and some of your purpose, you know, your supplement company, what you're doing in the area of fitness and entrepreneurship. But I really want my audience to kind of get to know you.

For sure.

Like, where did you come from? How'd you emerge from that? How'd you overcome obstacles?

What sort of brought you into this chair today? And, you know, what's your driver, man?

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Okay, there you go, there you go. So, you know, as you can imagine, it was a very truculent time, right? Very volatile times, and I'm talking about it was infestation of crack in our community, especially my neighborhood, especially my house, because my stepfather was one of the biggest drug dealers in New York.
So our house corrupted our entire area. Literally, I lived there.
Yeah. So So I seen a lot.
We had, I mean, we had multiple houses on that block. We owned stores around the corner and we had a mansion in Long Island.
So I was, it was like a movie, you know? And I seen a lot of things that a kid probably shouldn't see. However, I am thankful of some of the things that I experienced because none of it broke me.
I'm still here. And my mind is intact.
Honestly, I think I have somewhat of a stronger mind for the fact that I did experience so many not so ideal things and figured it out. So, you know, I was exposed to a lot, you know, and we were rich, and then he died, and then we were poor.
So, financially poor. So it didn't end poorly for your father because of, like, law enforcement or something.
It ended. Well, this was my stepfather.
Oh, your stepfather. It ended.
I mean, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. He died by the sword.
He definitely lived by the sword. So he died by the sword, you know, and the whole empire collapsed like that.
Like that. Because when you're living that kind of life, sometimes some people can transition out of it.
But a lot of times people are just spending as fast as they're getting. There's no real infrastructure set up.
There's no, you know, they're not parlaying that

into legitimate businesses.

So it fell fast and we had to deal with that.

So that was interesting.

But one thing about us as human beings is

we are successful as a species because we're so resilient.

Excuse me, I used to have a driver to school, right?

I went from that to like nothing to real poverty.

And I was fine.

Like, I don't recall my childhood being of lack,

even though we didn't have,

even though we had nights where, you know,

my mother had to light candles for lights.

She had to hold me on the couch

because she's scared and I'm scared.

We don't have any power or the power will go out.

It's cold, right?

Wow.

But none of that is not, it wasn't a sad childhood, you know?

There's a lot of things that happened, but.

And why wasn't it a sad childhood?

You had love from your mother?

Yeah.

Do you have siblings around?

I love my sister, who's like my best friend.

Right on.

My mother was such a powerful person, you know? I miss her. She passed away or ascended last year, but she gave me so much, so much love.
And my mother, she dealt with a lot, a lot of life, a lot of unideal situations that had nothing to do with her. Her circumstances was shitty out the gate from her parents you know so you know what i observed from that to what i went through and then the love that i did experience from her what she was able to give me but my grandparents and so on and so forth it just made me who i am today i'm an accumulation of all of those things so So, you know, I overly love my children just like

anybody does, but I'll do it. How many kids do you have? I have three.
So, so yeah. So, and that's like, that's my life is them.
Everything, every decision I make is based on them, right? It's positioning them to be happy and independent people in this world. How old are your kids? 19

my son

Elijah

Kaya's

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she just turned 18

and Ivy

is my baby girl. She's nine.
She's about to be 10. You look too young to have a 19-year-old.
I know, you know. They say black don't crack.
They say black don't crack. Yeah, they don't, man.
They don't. The dark skin, man, you guys just- But I'm tapping into my ultimate human.
So thanks to people like you with the research, I'm able to like walk in, you know, the pathway of, you know, biohacking and trying to reverse aging to a degree. So I've heard you talk about how, um, sports fitness, particularly boxing, um, was something, cause I think everyone needs to have an outlet and something to gravitate to.
You know, they say, they say idle time is the devil's workshop. And I would imagine in the kind of environment you were in, you know, a lot of your peers had a lot of time on their hands and maybe gravitated towards things that, that weren't longevity in terms of their, their career, maybe not even in terms of their, their, their life.
So talk a little bit about that transition. You know, it's, it's, it's also really astounding to me, the number of successful entrepreneurs I know, Stephen A.
Smith actually wrote an entire book on it, um, about how they grow up in difficult environments, but the love of a mother, uh, was enough of a foundation and, uh, enough of a grounding force that you could actually make decisions that were different than what your environment was leading you to believe. Because I've got to imagine if you're in that environment, the cool thing to do wasn't to go the opposite direction.
Right. So.
Like, give a little insight into, you know, what led you out of that, that, that life, that, that environment anyway. And I want to say the lifestyle because you weren't in.
So it's really interesting. It's somewhat of a paradox because I mean, my mother was married to this guy.
However, my mother protected me from everything. Right.
So when he died, we had a period when we went to Florida for a while and it was just as bad there where we was at a place called Sanford, Florida. And it was just put it like this.
There was, this is crazy. It was in the projects.
Every day you see like white pickup trucks in the neighborhood talking to women that work, that live there. Right.
And you know who these guys were? They were white guys. They were insurance salesmen because people was like young men, boys was getting killed so much.

It was just, it was a big hustle selling insurance to mothers.

That's a fact.

Selling insurance to mothers to insure their own babies.

Life insurance, yeah.

Against, wow.

It was so common, right?

So think about this.

One situation, there was a guy in our hood named Killer, right?

He killed one of our friends.

He was older than us. Nobody came and got arrested him.
A week later, he's trying to play basketball with us. And we're scared to death.
You know what I'm saying? That's the kind of environment that that was. However, so my mother, she went down there.
She cleaned her life up, got educated, got a degree, and started her own home healthcare business in nursing. And she would just take, she would take me with her.

So when I'm not in school,

I would be with her at her clients or patients' homes or whatever.

And I would just be with her at all times versus being back at home and being

outside and being in the riffraff.

So my mother, she, you know, I have a little brother as well as with 10 years

apart.

She didn't have the same energy with him because she was older.

But she had enough in her to protect me from a lot of that.

From most of it, honestly.

And I have to say that I did have, despite those things,

because after that little period, I stayed with my grandparents who were stable.

This is in New York.

Private school, like the whole nine.

I had a good

upbringing it was just some hiccups but that's life that happens i had a good upbringing it was very dynamic um very dynamic so far it's been pretty dynamic right yeah and you know i got into some trouble but that was as an adult right but as a child it was you know we got through the, but it was smooth. And I think like there's nothing that I've ever faced that was that crazy.
Right. Maybe there's somebody else.
But to me, I'm like, let's go. I'm going to eat it up.
Yeah. And I think maybe because I went through or seen so many.
Scary things as a child, it's like I'm with I'm with all the smoke. Where does fitness, where does boxing, where does your love of that skill come on board and start to take you in that direction? All right, so first of all, in New York where I lived at, I had friends that was probably better athletes than you'll ever see on TV.
It's just the lives were not ideal to go the routes to get put on. So we lived in a very competitive area.
We played every sport outside in the snow. You know what I mean? Yeah.
So you grow up being really athletic. You have to be to get noticed.
In a place like Brooklyn, especially when I was growing was going up yeah i think new york city is small it's tiny but it's a lot of people so it's overcrowded and a lot of competition everything is competition yeah literally so i grew up extremely competitive so um and i also grew up in the era of he-man gi joe mr t like wwf so did i so incredible hulk yeah so i wanted to be big and strong like what i saw on tv so and i was fixated on being strong and being fat like just fit i never thought about looks because when i started getting into i guess training i was i was 12 11 or 12 oh so i didn't i wasn't thinking about how looked. I was just trying to be strong, right? Right.
So I just had that mentality. And I got, my father got me into boxing at a very young age.
And that was like all I needed. I played basketball, baseball, and I box.
And I loved boxing the most because it was all on me. You know, like I played baseball, I was really good, but our team lost every game.
I didn't like that. I don't wanna lose because of this guy, right? So boxing, if you lose, it's your fault.
But if you win, it's your glory. So that was like the ultimate competitive sport for me.
So how much time were you, I mean, were you like a gym rat were you were you in it all my life like yeah i've been a gym guy since i was 11 or 12 years old and how has that shaped you know you as an entrepreneur because i think people really omit the physical fitness part i mean there's there's a there's a lot to be said for um what a lot of people think is being selfish which is like giving time to yourself so that you can be selfless and give your time to the rest of the world. I mean, I always give myself, for example, the first 90 minutes of every day.
I always say the first 90 minutes of every day belongs only to me, not to my kids, not to my wife, not to my business or, you know, my my clients. But after that 90 minutes is over, I give everything else away.
You know, I try to be present for my wife, for my kids, for my business or, you know, my, my clients. But after that 90 minutes is over, I give everything

else away. You know, I try to be present for my wife, for my kids, for my business, for my clients.

But I think the only way that I'm able to be that present is because I take some time for,

for, for self-care. And so, so just talk about it, you know, is fitness the foundation for you?

That's, I mean, clearly you're I mean, clearly you're pretty fit.

So it's clearly a priority.

Which I echo exactly what you said.

Yeah.

Same with my, this is my brother right here, Sean.

Like everyone in my circle is the same.

The morning, we got to get it.

And look, I have a community.

I have a mentorship community.

And the foundation is training.

Like I kick people out in a certain amount of time, they're not getting in better shape. It's about more than that, but that's the first.
Listen, if I go to church, right, and I'm auditing different churches, and I see the pastors, right, and you're supposed to be living by these seven deadly sins, right,hering to the gospel. I don't know what you're doing behind closed doors.
I just got to go watch telling me, but I can see that you're overweight. I can see that you're a glutton.
I would think that that's the easiest thing to hide to not be because we see you. I can't trust you.
Right? So I feel like that's just a foundation. Like being in shape is loving yourself.
Right. You cannot properly love other people if you don't love yourself.
Yes. It's being selfish by being, you know, dedicating your mornings to yourself.
I don't see that as a problem at all. One of my favorite biohacks outside of breathwork by far is mineral salts, Baja gold sea salt.
It's got all of the trace minerals that the body needs. You know, most of us are not just protein deficient, meaning amino acid deficient or fatty acid deficient.
We are mineral deficient. So a quarter teaspoon of this in water first thing in the morning, we'll make sure that you get all of the essential minerals that you need.
It tastes amazing. In fact, I made a steak today.
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Now, let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I don't see that.
I see it as an absolute necessity. I see it as a non-negotiable and you know, I've heard other entrepreneurs talk about it.
It's like when I see somebody who's physically fit and this isn't to shame other people, but when I see somebody who's physically fit, I'd immediately know at least a few things about them. They're consistent because you can't, can't fake that.
You can pull up in a Ferrari and I may or may not know whether or not you're wealthy, but, um, because you can fake a Ferrari, but you can't fake being physically fit. And so what it means is you've had a commitment over a long period of time.
You care for yourself. Um, you know, you're dedicated.
You probably have discipline, not just motivation. Um, meaning, you know, you, this consistency over time requires discipline, not just to be excited for a period of time.
And I tend to, tend to, to believe that it's, I have a lot of friends that are not physically fit and I do business and counsel a lot of clients that are not physically fit either. But I would agree with you that, that, that first part of the day, if that belongs to you and, and there's, there's such a physical connection to the mind.
I think if you are weak physically, you have a tendency to be weak mentally. And I think that we have a pandemic, not of mental illness in this country.
I think we have a pandemic of a lack of mental fitness. So I love that that's a foundation for your community community you know so so boxing is your your passion your purpose for your while i you know i might go so far as to say maybe that's what kept you steady and and maybe kept you from being tugged in the wrong direction in an environment that didn't have a lot of good choices um but now that you know now you're you're a man you're you've got a family um you started a company called the ambrosia collective uh which is supplement company um how did you transition to now becoming an entrepreneur i mean because it doesn't sound to me like you had a lot of entrepreneurial mentors in your life well maybe you did i was entrepreneur before that.
I was, I sold medicine that wasn't prescription. That was illegal at the time.
Stuff that's actually legal now, right? But I was a, I was a street pharmacist, as they would say. I like that.
With a successful enterprise, wholesaling stuff from Mexico to the East Coast, you know. But I did that for a few years and I was good at it.
So I always had, I've never fit into like working places. I never, I wouldn't do it.
I got to respect you. And I've had jobs before where I just didn't respect the people.
It's not enough money. Right.
So I just never fit. That never worked for me.
I always did my own thing. One thing about being a black man in this country is we start out not feeling like we belong.
So we start out feeling like, well, this system ain't for me, so I'm going to do my own thing anyway. So I think that benefited me to a great high degree because I've always done my own thing.
Now, I got out of that life because it wasn't legal. Right.
And I put my energy in legal things. And supplements came up.
Like, I had a supplement company before that. But Sean and I, me and Sean and one more partner, we met through just different industry events.
And we became friends. And one time we was, well, I watched Limitless, right? I was like, I love that movie, man.
You got to make something like that. Yeah.
So we sought out to, our first product actually is called Mental Jewels as a Nootropic. We just wanted to make the most powerful, the best nootropic on the market.
And we did, because we studied the best ones that that were there at the time and we outdid them. You know, we didn't sacrifice quality at all.
It was actually, uh, we had a lot of debate going back and forth because, you know, the, the ingredients that we sourced were very expensive. The testing that we do is expensive, but we wanted to make it affordable for people.
So it's an ultra premium product at a, just rate. Is this a part of your, like, what's a typical morning routine for you? Is this a part of your morning routine? Like, walk me through waking up until, like, 10 a.m.
All right, my morning routine is this. I get up around 4.45, 5 o'clock.
I do my morning prayer, which is called Pfizer. And then then after that i sit and i go through my life list because i this is this is a very important thing for me is to write out exactly what i want at the time um so i go through that list is in my head i've written it out but it's in my head and this allows you to visualize it right and i start see i start visualizing it very specific then as i begin my day i align every decision and action with everything on that list.
So from there, I'm off to the gym, train, cardio, sauna, shower. Then I'm at my office, probably at the office around 9, 9.30.
And then I begin my day. Okay.
So that's it. But now you're ready, though.
You're switched so where does where do where do some of the ambrosia collective supplements come into play are you um are you taking norotropics before you hit the office what's your basic supplement i got you okay so i i love this i eat once a day uh in the evening wow you maintain this muscle mass once a day there was a rumor that you're're a vegan too. I ate a vegan diet for like two years.

It was a few years ago, but I like meat.

I do too.

I tried it, but you know, it was cool.

But testing blood work, you know, I was healthier.

I mean, before I was eating a lot, I was 250, right?

So that, and then I went to like, I was eating meat every other day, testing blood work, and it was the same. So it wasn't like veganism made me healthier.
It was me restricting my calories to a degree. And, you know, just a healthy lifestyle made me healthy.
I would absolutely agree with that. So, and I like meat.
And you cannot get the amount of quality nutrients that you can get in salmon or bison without, right? And I found that doing the vegan thing, it was too many weird foods that were super processed that I didn't really know what it was. So true.
To get that dense amount of protein. I think the whole notion that because it's not meat, it's healthy.
No, it that i think that's that's the problem i i don't have anything necessarily against veganism or vegetarianism um but when you just make the assumption that because it's not red meat it's healthy i mean if you ever read the ingredients on a nun burger or like a beyond burger yeah i mean it's weird you gotta be a pharmacist it's weird and you're you're a pharmacist, so. And I am.
You can have a pharmacy bagger. And I don't approve of that.
Yeah, exactly. But no, I like meat.
I love it. So do I.
But anyway, so first thing I drink in the morning is a product called Nectar. It's a superfoods product.
It's 13 ingredients in it. So you know when people have those little pill boxes with all the pills? We have all of that in one product that tastes really good.
I got one of those pill boxes. So yeah, I'll see.
I got you. I got a care package for you.
Okay. So I do nectar.
And then, uh, at while I'm training, we have a product called hydroglyph that is a hydration product, but it's more than just hydration, right? Um, we have amino acids in it and we have, uh,mb in it we have you know we have ingredients in it that because we're big on fasting and or at least intermittent fasting and we don't want people to lose muscle mass yes it's preserving muscle mass it's increasing amino acids increasing muscle protein synthesis and and hydrating you to a high degree and kind of like keeping the hunger off. So I do that.
Train, train, train. And then at the office, I'll have a shake.
We have a top plant based protein in the country. Yeah.
So I have a glass of planta. I just drink it with water because it tastes that good.
And as I'm starting my day, I'm sipping on uh mental juice which is the nootropic okay right so uh that's pretty much my so this this this was your this was your your your foundation was this the first real company that in the supplement industry because then you have trifecta nutrition which is i had i had a company before it was a way smaller company wasn't this level of quality as far as what we had. I didn't have a team like that.
But it did me well financially. But it wasn't like a legacy thing.
You know, we were limited in what we had access to at the time. So when I got, you know, you just get with people who have different expertise and we put our brains together, you know, because that was just me back then.

So with Ambrosia, we took it to a whole nother level.

So, yeah, this is like the first big real thing.

This is my passion.

This is a passion project that actually ended up becoming very lucrative and became a big company.

We didn't expect that at all.

We just didn't want to lose money, you know.

When you see a big company, like how many employees you've got? I mean,

what do we have? About 20? Yeah. Right on.
Yeah. Okay.
So it's a, it's a thing. It's its own ecosystem.
I mean, when you have, and how do you sell? Is it online to retail stores? I mean, we have a lot of different sales channels online, Amazon, vitamin shop, Sprouts, GNC, Hy-Vee, we're everywhere.

Okay. Yeah.
Ambrosia Collective. So it's just moving rapidly, right? And it's not like we have this over-the-top marketing strategies.
People love the product. Mm-hmm.
well i mean you're you the best thing for any product is is to be good yes for it to be good and actually make an impact and then you and then you're gonna have a massive referral base and i'm a big believer in that too and the majority of my clients come from other clients that that i work with i mean i think that's the that's the biggest hallmark of success is when you're not telling your product people that people that are on your and see i'm glad that we're here like we're sitting in council with each other because the spirit of our company is like biohacking right yeah we were some of the first people in our space talking about biohacking and we got a lot of flack for it right oh trust me i was talking about 10 years ago we don't we don't complete charlatan well we don't care so and our people see that we're in this for like real optimization of health right our products are very hard to sell because there's a lot of explaining you know what i mean yeah but we figured out how to deliver these messages to people letting them know exactly how effective effective this is and, you know, how to optimize yourself properly. And it's not just about supplements.
It's a lifestyle. We're talking about training.
We're talking about meditation and we're talking about fasting. So we care about the people that patronize our business.
So we're not just shoving supplements in the face. To create a community.
100%. Yeah.
I truly believe in that. I mean, I, I actually think that the uh and i'm not a marketing expert by any means but from what i've seen in in the last several years being in this business is that uh i think that the days of the you know the influencer uh are are numbered i think people that are not building a true community and servicing a true community they're're not actually adding value.
I think that people are so picky. Their attention span is so short that if you are not adding value to their life, I don't care if you're a red carpet, A-list celebrity, you're not going to maintain their attention nor gain their trust so that you can just carte blanche say, wear this skirt, drink this water, take this supplement.
Well, there's proof to what you're saying. There's people like Floyd Mayweather.
There's many big name celebrities that have tried to come up with supplements and products and no one cared. Yeah.
Because they could tell there's no passion in it. There's no authenticity.
Correct. Yeah.
You know, it's really interesting. I've done a number of stage talks on this and um there are even some studies in you know the spain scale of emotion the scale of positive and negative emotion and there are even some studies that look at frequency leaving the human body and the frequency of emotion if you believe in the universal law of attraction which i do um you know and most of most of my audience does is that the most powerful emotion, the most attractive emotion, I don't mean the attractive in, in like an intimate sense.
I just mean the most attractive emotion in a human being is, is the, uh, is the frequency of authenticity. And I think when we talk about people's intuition, um, you know, like my wife is very sensitive.
Like she'll, she'll meet somebody and she'll be like, eh, that you know i don't know about that guy you know or or she meets somebody and gets a really good feeling and the vast majority of the time she's right and when i look at the actual science behind that there's science that says that the more authentic a person is believes what they're saying is truthful with their words then the more attractive they are

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I love also that you've layered on nutrition, you know, because I think this is the, I don't think that you can exercise your way around a bad diet. I don't think you can supplement your way around lack of sleep.
I think the foundation for our success, which it sounds like you've mastered, is, you know, first of all, self-care, you know, the sleep, nutrition, exercise. But now you've layered in trifecta, right? And this is a meal prep company.
This is- Yes, sir. You prepare healthy meals.
Yeah. So this was a good friend of mine is the founder.
His name is Greg Connolly. We've been friends forever.
And Greg has been, you know, he's a bona fide entrepreneur, super good guy. And he's been, you know, just trying, trying, trying with so many different things for so long.
And then with Trifecta, he did a grand slam. So it was the first, like, I guess you could,

I don't want to say gourmet,

but maybe gourmet style of meal prep delivery,

like really premium options, grass-fed, farm,

you know, not farm-raised, organic, you know,

and delivered in 24 hours, fresh, not frozen.

And it just went crazy.

I was the very first check on the company.

Really? Yeah. That's great.
And it's a $300 million company now. Wow.
Things worked out. That's awesome, man.
I get behind a lot of grass-fed, grass-finished farms. I actually try to buy local.
We have a little Amish farm, a little place called Southwest Ranches right in Miami. And I go there and get raw milks grass fed grass finished meats pasture

raised eggs free range chickens and i can tell like when we try first of all i love coming to la because there's an air one so the team goes to air one we stock up um before we just eat here 10 grand in there right yeah yeah you get four meals right they're really good meals yeah for sure it'll feed a family of four for about six hours but but uh um but i but i prioritize those ingredients over everything it's like you know i spend my money on biohacking devices and and i certainly did not grow up wealthy but now that i've had some financial success i'm like why would i why would i start a car collection when i can actually start a biohacking collection? You know, that Ferrari is not going to serve your cellular biology. I get it.
No, I get it. But speaking about community, cause you brought that up and it's interesting because we, we started an official community called the sacred society last year and I fell in love with it.
I fell in love with the, the interaction with the people, right? There's no barrier between them and I. So in every week, you know, I prepare a lecture and I'm with them every week.
I don't miss. And you're intentional about preparing.
It's my favorite part of the week. Every Thursday is a really busy day for me, every Thursday, because that's when I'm all in with the community, but I'm preparing for it throughout the week with all the other things going on.
And it's the most, uh, I mean, just going back and forth with them and then, you know, having accountability calls with them individually is just so rewarding. Right.
And this, and I think this falls into that Maslow's hierarchy. It needs that self-actualization it's like this is what i'm here for it's not the car look i've been through all of that yeah buying the cars you know all of the things i i don't that doesn't is meaningless to me right this is what i love yeah all right i feel you so much because i have a vip community called just VIP ultimate humans.
I get energy from this community. You know, when I get on zoom calls, I'm like lit up, you know, I call it my drug of choice.
And, and when I give feedback from the community, it fires me up. And so that whole like give without the expectation of when it, when, when you see the lives impacted, somebody thanks you for changing their life and they really mean it.
Yeah. I don't know that there's a greater compliment.
I love sitting in the trenches with them trying to figure out the problems. Just come up with a solution.
You got this. And sometimes it's just a little bit of encouragement, right? Yeah.
Nah, but you got, I'm certain you got this, right? Because, you know, people have been programmed, a bad program most of their lives. And they don't, they typically never had somebody sitting with them like, hey, you fucking up right now.
Let's fix this. I'm not, I'm here with you.
We're going to fix this. They don't really have that from someone that really gives a shit about them.
You know what I mean? So, and the programming in this country is bad. You know, I always tell people to divorce yourself from this culture because it's not conducive to a good life.
Right. Right.
It's conducive to stifling your creativity, your real power, you know, but we got so much, people got so much power. So incredible.
We were just talking earlier about technology, like TVs and cell phones. This came from a human mind.

So I look at my community, I'm like, look, people like y'all did this.

What you going to do?

You know what I mean?

But people don't grow up thinking these things.

Just like I look at my daughter and I try to learn from her, right?

Because she has a robust, fertile imagination, right?

Whereas as an adult, we have this stringent, that's not rational.

I'm sorry. because she has a robust fertile imagination right whereas as an adult we have this stringent that's not rational we do yeah but we gotta like devoid ourselves of that to a degree and have that adults need to think like children with a lot of things limitless yeah right we can do anything i can do anything right and then we'll add a little discipline to it when we're starting to formulate these ideas.
But we got to think creatively like children. And it's interesting because not to get off subject, but like you look at like things like religion when they teach you like original sin, born sinners.
I'm like, no, these the closest thing to divinity is a child, is a baby. They're pure.
They're perfect.

They're holy.

So stop telling people that.

Stop programming people that they're born bad. People learn bad.
People are born pure and holy, right? And it's our duty to protect them and keep them like that as long as possible and to try to be like them as well. That's how you really tap into that God energy.
You know, it's really interesting. I went to dinner last night with a very successful entrepreneur and doctor named Dr.
Peter Diamantis. And he was talking about this abundance 360 that he's created with all these thought leaders.
And it's about how to shatter these thoughts of incrementalities. Like, so say you're on an example used was, say you're on a you know an automotive manufacturer and your car gets 50 miles to the gallon and you go to your engineering team and you go listen you guys got to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to get this car 55 miles to the gallon he's like that's one thing that's a mindset that most people can interpret and understand but if you go to your engineering team and you, I need this to get 500 miles to the gallon, then what forces them to do is scrap all of their, because there's so much efficiency you can get from the tires and maybe upgrading the fuel.
And, you know, but now you've got to go completely back to the drawing board and reset your entire way of thinking. And I think this is where you get the jeff bezos and the elon musk and the real the real thought leaders that innovated something you know incredible um there's lots of other thought leaders but i think a lot of these ideas come out of communities like what what you're building it's like you actually challenge people to solve their own problem and they become motivated and passionate beyond anything they, they, they ever thought.
So, so where does this go for you? I mean, you, um, fitness lifestyle, nutrition, supplementation, um, you know, you're building a community, you know, what's, what's down the road for you? I mean, what's Mike Rasheed's ultimate goal? Well, right now I'm in the process of building a compound in Dubai, right? Moving the family there, but also growing the Ambrosia Collective to a higher degree as well as Sacred Society. Me being in different markets is going to open me up to just more people more opportunities in the middle east right now so that's part of it but also i've moved into the peptide space as well oh huge fan of yeah so just expanding and things all things wellness all things biohacking all things optimizing one's complete being uh you mentioned something earlier that I wanted to touch on about the physical and the mental.
I don't see a separation. It's all here, right? Yeah.
So, and one thing leads the other. They benefit each other, right? So, start, and the foundation is going to be physical fitness, training, and nutrition off the top.
It has to be. Off the top.
And I was talking to the community last night because we were talking about success. And I'm like, listen, when your mind is healthy, you're going to be successful because you will define what success is.
Y'all right now, y'all looking at Instagram for success. People with cars and this, when your mind is healthy, you're going to define what success is and you're going to have success, you'll be successful.
So that's what I'm on, right? I used to be the guy that wanted to like have every single car, do this, do that, whatever. I have zero regards for any of that now right um i'm i'm trying to fortify myself spiritually um fortify my my relationships with the people that i love because really that's all that i care about yeah people i love and from there it goes to the community and everything else so you know i'm walking this life you know really with my eyes closed filling the walls because i'm moving into new spaces right now and i'm excited about it yeah and most people have a fear of of the unknown i think that comes from our childhood um and we have a fear of the unknown and it paralyzes us and it keeps us i think very often in mediocrity for for decades because people are afraid to fail in front of their peers or in front of their families or in front of their co-workers or front of their colleagues and i think fear is so it can be a motivator but it can also be um paralyzing to you so you start touching on spirituality where does faith fall into this for you what What does faith, what does that mean?

To me, it's a belief in something, you know, higher than yourself.

It's also a belief in a common purpose.

It's a belief in delayed gratification that maybe this life is temporary and we're headed to a better place.

You know, it's, you know, I believe that faith is very often a missing component in people's lives, and they try to replace it with all kinds of things. They seek dopamine-rewarding behavior, which sometimes can be healthy, workaholic, workoutaholic, sometimes could be negative, drugs and alcohol, promiscuity gambling.
Not all addictions are are necessarily negative but i think that that behavior is driven by that spiritual hole that's left in people it's my sincere belief um but where does that fall for you yeah well first of all what does it mean to you and then where does it fall yeah i'm a i'm a muslim okay and when i said earlier earlier, I've been working on fortifying myself spiritually.

That's just me rededicating myself to my faith, my religion.

Because the principles of my religion, it just aligns with me perfectly, right?

You know, praying five times a day, fasting in the holy month of Ramadan.

You know, just me actively trying to be a nicer person to people and more charitable in regards to everyone that I deal with. So that is my faith, right? I'm not a person of belief because I'd rather know things, right? Whereas a belief is one attaching themselves to a notion or idea without really having evidence.
Right. Or I'm all right with saying I don't understand or I don't get it.
I don't know. Right.
But I'd rather know what I attach myself to, you know. And, you know, I put a lot on me like I put the responsibility of me having a life that I want to have on myself right you know yeah so we were talking about prayer earlier on the drive up here and and i appreciate him so much this is my this is my guy because we always have fruitful conversations you know when we have a minute you know a drive or sauna like that.
And I always get so much from it, but we were talking and we get to like really hash out thoughts and ideas. You know what I mean? Just flesh them out.
You might have a notion of something, but sometimes you need to bounce it off somebody like that. And that's what Sean is for me.
And you need to bounce it off of, you know, they say you need three friends in your life, The ride or die. That's when you call at two in the morning when something's wrong.
You need the confidant that you can confide anything to, and it stays there. But then you also need, you know, the truth teller.
The one that kind of calls you out on your nonsense. Not kind of.
You need to hear, not what you want. I need somebody to be direct.
Yeah, sounds like it. You know what I mean? Sounds like you're having a lot of direct sauna conversations.
But I think that's where things really take shape for people. Because, you know, one of my former mentors and one of the wealthiest people I've ever known told me, you know, you show me the five people you hang around and I'll tell you exactly where you're going to be in five years.
And, um, and I said, you can predict half a decade in advance just from the people, the five people that are in my inner circle. And he said, absolutely beyond a shadow of doubt with 99% accuracy.
And, and, and I said, well, what matters in those five people? And he went through those characteristics. And then he also, he said, if you don't have that rock in your life, whether it's your relative, whether it's your business partner, whether it's your best friend who doesn't let you get away with not being true to yourself and foolishness, then that's where the hole in the ship's going to come.
That's where the water's going to enter. So that's.
I got a question for you, or this is fascinating to me. Your ascension into this career, right? It was insurance, correct? That was a mortality expert.
And you were identifying, all right, these people are not going to live, but so long. And you said, you know what? We need to like like let people know so you broke away from the insurance company to start doing what you're doing now that's right i think that's incredible thank you that doesn't sound like a money play it was absolutely not a money play and and i took it was devastating to me and my wife financially yeah i mean financially it was the worst decision we ever made you know in in the first few years um it put an enormous amount of strain on our family um you know my kids came out of private school public school which i'm not i'm not trying to say woe is me my kids weren't in private school but but that is a woe is me because public school system is just not it's not it yeah it's tough um and um uh you know we sold our primary residence to make payroll because my wife who's uh you know very frugal and very organized and was keeping the books for us was came home one day and she was like listen you have a decision to make and she's like i'm not i'm paralyzed i can't make this decision but we have 90 days until we are either going to miss the payroll or we're going to miss we're going to miss the mortgage payment and you got to decide if we're paying the employees or we're paying the mortgage um it was very easy decision for me i was like we got to sell a house that's because we're not nobody's ever going to work for me and get two weeks or or 30 days in and then i tell them at the end of 30 days of hard work that they're not getting paid right that i'm shutting the doors i'd rather catch up

my employees and then and then shut the doors i had so much conviction in what we were doing i

knew we were on the side of right right like and i you know you talk about visualization i could only visualize that that that outcome and to me it was already there so it didn't didn't stress me out at all. I didn't, I didn't actually feel any,

any stress from the financial burden.

I didn't like the way that it was impacting the family went from four cars to

one car and you got three kids and they're in different schools and you got

one car and you're showing around. It's just chaos.

But that's sincere conviction in,

in the outcome that destination was so vivid in my mind that I was like, I'm not scared. That's so impressive.
Like, I respect that. Thank you.
Yeah. That's kind of you, man.
And it, and it doesn't surprise, like, no shit. Yeah.
No shit, you wasn't stressed. I think people look now and they're like, man, you blew up overnight.
I'm like, no, no, no. I, I had a really slow curve for 22 years and then a hockey stick spike, but it started a long time ago.
Yeah. Wasn't a success overnight.
And look, I think you fall into the same, you know, people would call it a grinder, you know, because, you know, it's I think that you have to be fixated on something in the future and you have to be able to visualize the future. For me've learned to be very intentional like like before i sat down for this podcast you know i went around the corner before you guys got here i just did a few rounds of breath work and i was like what's my intention of this podcast and my intention is i want my audience to get to know this guy like i'm getting to know you now but i want my audience to get to know you through the questions that i'm asking and us being real and and you know i i actually visualize a podcast i visualize our conversation going well i visualize my my audience picking up on it and going wow i would have never guessed you had him on but that was that was an awesome podcast i took two three things away from that.
Yeah. And so I'm very intentional that way.
Right, right. Yeah.
I love that episode with you and Russell Brand. That was so good.
Yes. Yeah.
It was. That was so good.
Yeah. I talked about getting saved 24 years ago.
Yeah. And that was a big moment in my life too.
And I don't impose. Wait, did I say his name right? Russell Brand he's a certified wild man that guy I had this weightless vest weighted vest and he was shirtless he's running around my house barefoot he had his kids over and his kids were playing with my nieces and we're the other round we jumped them jumping in the cold plunge we got in the sauna and then my team's like we got to run this podcast so he just put the weighted vest on no shirt and just sat down in the podcast room and rocked it there's something to be said for just that level of brazen authenticity you know um and i appreciate i say this all the

time because my dad used to say it all the time growing up he's like if you don't stand for something you stand for nothing so if you're afraid of who you are to the outside world then i don't think that life's really going to amount to much for you um a wise man once said I'd rather die enormous than live dormant.

Yeah.

You know, I get it.

So true.

I get it.

I'd rather die enormous than live dormant.

I'd rather die enormous than live dormant.

So true.

I get it. So true.
I get it. I'd rather go out in a blaze of fire than just have this long, mundane, boring existence.
A four-year career. Yeah.
Get the plaque in the T-shirt. Yeah.
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Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. So back to where this goes for you.
In an ideal world, you're building a compound in Dubai.

And when you say building a compound,

it's going to be a community?

Yeah, a community.

A neighborhood.

Okay.

We'll keep an eye on it.

It's the next Waco, Texas coming in.

No, I'm just kidding.

No, you know.

Maybe.

I'm not saying.

No, I'm just kidding.

No, not that.

If I see you start arming up in there, dude.

No, let's build this compound.

I'm going to that side of the world to not arm up. Yeah.
No, you don't need arms in Dubai. And I don't like it.
Yeah. I don't like this.
I don't either. There's nothing for me here, right? I think this is a great nation.
Great, not good, right? We live in a world in which you can't criticize anything, especially the system in which is enslaving people like capitalism, it's run amok. How is it that the number one killer in this country is food? Yes.
If food is a bullet, the gun is heart disease, type 2 diabetes and cancer. And the finger pulling it is is food right yes

it's so it's so crazy we've weaponized and turned food into a drug we we absolutely have man you are preaching alcohol is legal cigarettes is legal it's like what are we really talking about You know, there's capitalism in politics, lobbying candidates.

There's capitalism and, you know, the criminal justice, the criminal system, no justice, right? Yeah. We profit.
Capitalism and education. Like, what are we really doing? When you're 18, you're getting credit card offers.
What are we doing? So So I don't want nothing here. here i'm good i'm good well when you think about we profit off of incarceration we profit immensely from foreign wars we profit immensely from medicine disease um it's it's not so much that we profit from medicine is we actually profit from the chronic disease that requires the medicine right you know You know, we profit from the theory that, you know, disease is genetically inherited because if I can get you to believe that you inherited a disease, then I can easily get you to subscribe to a lifetime of medication.
We've gotten, we've lost so much faith in mankind, humanity, you know, the body's ability to heal itself, the power that this has over this, and the divinity of God, in my opinion, that we automatically assume that what man makes us is greater than what God gave us. And by that, I mean, if we just got back to not bathing our cellular biology in the toxic soup, and trying to solve those consequences with chemicals and synthetics.
And we got more just back to the basics, which is a lot of, uh, I don't want to turn this into my podcast because it's yours, but you know, I, I believe that a lot of what has happened in our society is we've just gotten further and further and further away from the basics, right? Exactly what you're talking about. Nutrition, exercise, mindset exercise mindset community right and and what's interesting is the research supports this you look at the blue zones right what did you find in the blue zones well there wasn't any continuity in diets whole foods sense of purpose and community friendships yeah they don't talk about that that should be.
It's like music is medicine, right? Yeah. You know, it's like medicine to them is only what they could put in a bottle and charge you every 30 days.
What you're going to run out of every 30 days. So in 2020, I experimented with LSD, psychedelics, right? I'm not a drug guy.
I never did drugs all my life. I did it at that little period of time.
But I did a lot of research before trying it, right? And, you know, the research that I saw, and based on my experience, my very first experience with it, I got angry. Got angry? At the government for lying.
Yeah. They had this as a a schedule one drug, highly addictive, no therapeutic or medicinal benefits.
What do you talk, it's not addictive at all. The therapy is, it was created for therapy for one, right? It was created to get people off of illicit drugs, alcohol, smoking, so on and so forth.

It also was created for people who, you know,

the pharmaceutical medication for depression and anxiety

and so on and so forth wasn't working.

So you did two days of intensive therapy with that,

two heroic doses, back to back.

No symptoms for six months, right?

Now, I wasn't depressed or anything like that,

but when I did my journey,

I was just a nicer person for a minute.

Like I was a lot lighter, a lot brighter.

And there's nothing in it made me want to keep doing it.

You know what I mean?

Like I, it's been years.

I think that's the same way with a lot of neurotropics.

And, you know, for me, the jury's still out

because I haven't finished conclusively

reading all the research,

but I think there's a lot of promise in things Thank you. And, you know, for me, the jury's still out because I haven't finished conclusively reading all the research.

But I think there's a lot of promise in things like medicinal mushrooms, not for tripping, but for improving cognitive function. I think that, you know, we have an endocannabinoid system in the body.
We can look at endocannabinoids. I mean, the, I don't think that anything is necessarily off the table, especially if it's

been put through rigorous, you know, uh, clinical. and look at um endocannabinoids i mean the i i don't think that anything is necessarily off the

table especially if it's been put through rigorous you know uh clinical trials right um i think sometimes we make enormous leaps in science you know uh people will say cows eat grass cows have a lot of muscle we should eat grass it's like sometimes we draw these conclusions that yeah you know, that aren't, that aren't linear. They don't make logical scientific sense.
But I, one of the things I'm most excited about with this make America healthy again movement is that I think the government is going to be a lot more receptive to non-pharmaceutical, non-chemical interventions and, and actually going back again to the basics, diet, lifestyle, spiritual well-being, sense of community. When was that? You know, the last time that your doctor said, wow, your blood pressure's high and your thyroid's a mess, your cortisol's elevated, you got to get stress out of your life.
And so, okay, Mike, well, you just need to get stress out of your life. So what does that mean? Like get a divorce, stop talking to my kids and because that's where the stress comes from it's not practical like if if we were armed to give people really good advice hey build a community find a um find a circle of like-minded people um get the toxic relationships out of your life um things that you could actually do um you know that would benefit you and and reduce your stress.
Because I would bet that if I looked at your life from the outside in, I'd be like, okay, he's running these companies. He's moving to Dubai.
He's got a family. He's got three kids on board.
You know, he comes from a, you know, a colored background. He's, you know, now he's iconic in this space.
You've got a community that you're building. You've got a lot going on.
So from the outside in, you'd say, this guy should be really stressed out. And we know what's amazing is some of the busiest people I've ever known, who myself are not stressed at all because they love what they're doing because they found that community.
They found that purpose. And I think there's a lot more meaning in that in terms of its impact on people's health um i want to touch on something you spoke about though because the skeptic in me cannot just let this slide okay about our government right make america healthy that's that sounds great i know everything they always say sounds great and i have to look at the leadership.
Y'all are fat. Y'all are overweight.
Y'all are stressed. Y'all don't, they don't see.
No, Bobby Kennedy's pretty fit. Okay.
He's the only one. But it's like, these people are not involved in anything of a spiritual nature.
It doesn't seem. True.
You know, it seems power, money, aggression. So it's like, say these things.
I want people to, look, I'm not a political guy at all. I don't care who's whatever.
But don't wait on them and don't rely on them. We should be doing these things already regardless.
I don't care if they're, them saying it is cool, but as far as like anybody I know, we, this is welcome to the party. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
We've been here a long time. Like no shit, right? Yeah.
So people, you know, dig, dig in. Today is the youngest you will ever be.
So start getting crazy about your nutrition, your training, your meditation, your community, all of that. Do that now.
I agree. Don't wait.
Right. So yeah, I'm not waiting on no initiatives from anybody from, it's just to me, it's just I'm not waiting either.
They sound good. They got to say these things.
What's exciting to me is the potential to affect public policy because right now I've reached millions of people, which has had an amazing impact. And I'm going to continue to do that.
You've probably reached millions of people. But sometimes, you know, my, my message is not making it down to the masses.
Right. And the possibility that we could potentially affect public policy is very intoxicating to me from the standpoint of making an impact and what would that look like though the public policy side of this kind of lifestyle so the public policy side would look like um somebody having the intestinal fortitude to um stop pharma from advertising directly to the consumer not so that they don't advertise to the consumer, but so they don't control the media narrative.
Looking at corruption in our, you know, system of the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and the National Institute of Health, where are they getting their funding from? And is funding for public policy coming from private industry? In other words, if the food industry is funding food studies that set our public policy, this is how you end up with a food pyramid that Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass-fed steak. And to me, that is the greatest oxymoron of all time because the majority of the population, as they probably should, is going to trust our government.
You know, when you, when you drop your kid off at public school in the morning, you're usually not worried about what's going to happen to your kid. Um, because you trust that that school system has the best interest of your kid at heart.

They're going to educate them the best they can. They're going to keep them safe.
And they're going to get back in the car with you that night and things are going to go well. That might not necessarily be the case.
And so I either think you remain silent and in my opinion, become a part of the problem um Or you speak up and at least try to do something. And because you can't do everything doesn't mean you shouldn't do something.
You know, like I'm disappointed in our agricultural secretary that was just hired because she was the president of the seed oil society, which I think is the root of a lot of inflammatory conditions and whatnot. But I'm not, I'm not like, well, they did that.
I'm, I'm done. No, I'm still going to do whatever I can to, you know, get the word out and, and have a minor amount of influence that could have a massive impact.
And I have nothing financially to gain. I have nothing to sell into this system.
I have nothing to benefit from that system. You know, I don't want the government to buy my product or service and distribute it to people i just think if you look at your eulogy virtues uh when when the sun sets on this lifetime you know what do you want people to say about you and what kind of impact were you going to make and so i want to do everything i can i disagree with you on one thing okay your message is getting downstream right So it's just a matter of time before things hit a tipping point for anybody, right?

But if it hits a tipping point or not, that's not important.

What's important is, listen, I learned about the hydrogen water at Dave by the owner of my kid's school at his house.

That's you.

This is your thing, right?

Yeah. So, you know, the message is there.
You're effective. It's getting out.
Now, when it comes to policy, I just have a hard time believing that they're going to deny these billions of dollars or these hundreds of millions of dollars from Big Pharma, from who helped them get to where they are now. And let's not get it twisted.
Both sides, the Republican, Democrat, is two wings on the same bird. Their daddies are the same people on both sides.
It's just whoever wins. Now, that's the gateway for business for these entities.
So I just want people to have a realistic expectation about what's to come. Don't be bummed out if nothing changes because for things that change, that mean a lot of people are not going to be making money.
Right. And they're not, they don't play about their money.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Big level billionaires, these industries, the cigarette industry, the food industry, they don't play about their money. So I don't see that like anybody shutting any of that down, you know?

Yeah, I don't see that as a reason to not try. And you may very well be right.
But I'll find out the hard way. I'll give as much effort and time and energy to that as I can.
And I think one of the things I see shifting is that, you know,

if you, what, what elected the last president was, it was circumventing the media and going through social media platforms, podcasts and stage talks. And, and I'm not saying I'm not, I'm not making a, you know, an argument for one side or the other.
What I'm saying is I think that there's a, there's an opportunity for messages to tap the masses without going through the standard media filter channels, which in my opinion, well, I think that is the way that messages. That's the only way is that's the way you and I are building our businesses now.
Correct. Correct.
And making our impact. You was on the biggest media outlet there is Joe Rogan Joe Rogan.
Yeah. You know what I mean? That was amazing.
So yeah, so this is mainstream media. Social media is the new media.
Yeah. We should stop taking the social.
It frustrates a lot of people, man. We should take the social off of it.
Just call the media. I mean, look at every news, boring news, dude.
They got a little YouTube thing now. Yeah.
You can check out our YouTube thing. You know what I'm saying? It's so true.
Give me me your light you know what's cool too is that people can be ultra selective like when i turn on the news i don't have a choice over what's being streamed right if they're going to talk about you know the fires in los angeles or the latest going on in the political arena or the last football game well i might not care about football and i might not watch soccer but i'm gonna have to sit through that whereas now with the with the new you know media platforms they can say man i like this guy's message i'm gonna select in to follow him or follow gary i like what gary's saying what he's doing and they so people opt in to get that information and they get a lot of condensed information in an narrow area where they're you like fashion you're following this person That's the beauty of it. But all right, Gary, what do you think about this? Here's the thing.
People are consuming information, whether it seems meaningful or not. A lot of it is just entertainment to them, right? Even if it's, I know people that study for years, whatever, you pick a thing and they're not going to execute.
You're going to keep watching podcasts on that particular topic. Right.
So we're talking about this other day. Like it just seemed like nothing matters because if a person has a specific bias towards or against something, all the logic and rationale in the world is not going to change their mind.
And who cares? They don't care. They don't care about the truth.
Right. They don't want to hear your evidence.
If you present very compelling evidence, well, I don't trust that source. Right.
So it's like it's kind of like disheartening to even try to have some of these discussions in the macro. Yeah.
Because it seems like people just, I don't know, maybe it's so much information, right? Information overload to where people are desensitized to things. I mean, listen, we had like a couple of weeks of congressional hearings about aliens and nobody cares.
You know what I'm saying? It's like, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah.
I'm human biological. Even if it's bullshit, let's get to the bottom of this.
Right. Nobody gives a you know what i'm saying so it's like i'm like look i'm blown away about so many things but it's like we can't have these conversations because nobody cares i think to an extent you're you're right but um i think it goes back to the god helps those who help themselves meaning you you have to put a message out to the world it's going to land on receptive ears for people that are going to take action.
It's going to land on skeptical ears for people that are going to attack you. And it's going to land on ears that just completely fall deaf on.
Still doesn't mean that you don't put the message out. You know, one of the interesting things I've found about just being so consistent and so intentional, you know, just like having a podcast.
It's, I don't think a lot of people realize what a commitment it is. You have to turn out content every single week and it's got to be entertaining and it's got to serve your audience and it's got to create value or you will lose listeners.
And, and, and I also turn out something called a podcast short, which I release every Thursday. So it's eight very large pieces of content that you have to turn out.
Then that's got to be chopped and edited and translated into other languages. And the word's got to be put on.
And it's got to be, you know, you have to make sizzle reels to grab people's attention. I mean, it's a production and it's a serious commitment.
But what I've found is I'm starting to find,

I mean, I found plenty of skeptics, right?

That attack me online.

Probably got people doing the same thing with you, right?

And I think you have to look past that and say, I'm still going to hammer this message

because I believe in it so much.

And I've seen that community grow.

You know what I mean?

We had 20 million impressions.

I'm not saying that that's, I'm, my heels are dug in to do the work. I'm here for it.
You know, it's just a little bit disheartening. That's all I'm saying.
You know, how aloof it seems. Some people are.
You want to shake them. Not caring.
Right. Yeah.
You know, so that's all, you know, it's just, it's just like, yeah, I want to shake people

every now and then.

I ain't going to hit you, but I'm going to shake you.

Yeah, the narrative that bothers me is that as soon as you become successful messaging

by the mere success that you've succeeded or had some kind of financial benefit from

it, that automatically makes it nefarious.

And I don't believe that at all.

Yeah.

And that's that

because i desperately try to give people low or zero cost choices um and i don't want to be known as a person that only works with celebrities or a-listers or rich people i want to be known as the one trying to make an impact on the masses but some people are so myopic and they'll just they don't realize that it i wasn't an overnight success and i'm still as committed to my message now as i was back then that nobody just knew who i was back then and the connection that somehow success means you must be doing something nefarious as yeah well you know what that is sigma freud called that S slave morality versus master morality right so if you look at it so one who embodies the master morality podcast by way like i forgot who's interviewing who but this is going really well one who embodies a master morality um you know they're confident they're shooting stars, so on and so forth. These are the leaders and the kings and the entrepreneurs and people who are shifting society.
And then the slave morality is this. Now there's two types of master moralities though.
There's one that keep the slave morality, slave mentality. They keep them there.
What they do is they peddle division.

They peddle fear.

They peddle you never be anything. You're a sinner.
Like that kind of energy, right? Then you have another master morality where I think I fall under where we're trying to educate those who have a slave morality to get out of that, right? you know there is, so one with a slave morality with a true slave morality, they find oppression to be where the ethics are, right? It's like they stand against, they stand for nothing. They stand against everything, right? So anybody that's rich, that's powerful, they're evil.
They're bad, right? Yeah. So, and they don't look at them they believe things like i think it's a a quote uh in the culture of christianity because it's not real christianity they say it's easier to go through the eye of for a camera to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven why why who came up with that yeah who came up up with that? It's nonsense, right? So if a person is oppressed.
Some of the wealthiest people. If a person is oppressed.
In history, we're in the Bible. That is a temporary condition.
Let's get out of that. Let's get out of that.
We're not sitting here. It's temporary.
And that right there should fuel you to be successful, fuel you to be great, to never be there again. So the one who embodies a slave morality everything is evil and they're even gonna try right and um you know you gotta like look at life for what it is like it's like we all want the same things but y'all are acting like y'all hate it on this side because you're not here but you're not here yet you can get here if you try yeah don't hate me ask me questions exactly like what do

they say like you know everybody enjoys the view very few people enjoy the climb and it's it's very true you know um a former mentor of mine said lots of people want to do what i do but no one wants to do what i've done and i think that's you know i think that's so true they don't see the struggle They only see the outcome.

And there's so much beauty and the grind to the top. Yeah.
That's how you get strong. It's such the best.
That's how you get powerful. I would switch it.
It brought my family so tight together. You know, having my kids in the hunt with us, it brought Sage and I, my wife.
You know, we were boyfriend and girlfriend. Then there were fiance and and then we were husband and wife and um and and i think in some ways the greatest relationships are the ones that go through everything that's meant to tear them apart and they survive that's testing your mettle yeah it's like we're supposed to go through this and now let's it doesn't seem like that when you're in it.
I look at life like this. Anything of character, friendship or whatever, is for those hard times.
I'm sitting here patiently for the day that one of my friends need a kidney. I got it.
I can't wait to show you or whomever. Listen, character is developed in hard times.
It doesn't, when everything is good, the money's up, everybody's happy. It's easy to be a nice person then.
How are you going to act when you're being attacked from all areas, right? How are you going to act when you lose your job, lose your girlfriend, whatever, right? So that's when you have to develop and display character. And that when it matters not when everything is smooth and copacetic and people got to understand that and get fired up when those hard times come like all right now i'm gonna step it up this is my time to shine yeah i love that man so um this has been amazing by the way much much better than i even thought because i like to get philosophical on things but um we going to move into my VIP ultimate human community.
But before we do that, I, I ask all of my guests the same question. And there's no right or wrong answer to this question.
You watch my podcast, maybe you're ready for it. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Ultimate human is to be, to be a God of god of oneself right so if i am my own god that means i am in control of my destiny in a real way right so i can't blame anything or anybody on my shortcomings right because once i blame them then they control me they're my god and i'll never do that but i don't have short don't, I don't, I don't get sick.
I don't lose like all of the negative things does not apply to me. Why? Because I create my own reality and that's what gods do.
They create things, right? All existence is only in existence because we are conscious of it. That means we create our reality.
Okay. When you start looking deeper into things, consciousness is the precursor to creation, to all things.
If someone's behind you making faces at you and you don't know it, they're not there. It's not a reality of yours.
Right. So I am my own God.
So I control everything in my existence, my health, my finances, my mindset, my, you know, my everything. I, look, my destiny is based on the decisions that I make.
So that's being the ultimate and also being the ultimate is this. I know that there's a day that's going to come when this is not going to be in use anymore.
Yes. So what does that mean? I'm going to go hard to the fucking paint until I get there.
You know what I'm saying? I'm maxing out. I'm maxing out.
I'd rather die at 50 as a legend than to be 100, this boring old man, like nothing about him. I'm with you on that.
So I tell my people, like, yo, when I to a certain point when I'm not useful, take me out to the desert. I'm writing it down.
I'm writing it down. Y'all have my permission.
So that's maxing out. Like understanding that death, like what we call death, I don't even think that's a bad thing, but the word is death.
We have to name things, right? Should be a motivator to live to the fullest every fucking day.

Yeah, nobody gets out of this thing alive.

Yeah, so max it out.

Be ultimate.

That is amazing.

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