137. Dr. Joel Gator Warsh: How Functional Medicine is Transforming Children's Health

We have to have an extremely high bar of evidence and proof to give a newborn baby something that they don't actively need when the risk is very, very low. We know autism rates are skyrocketing.
We have the highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history. An educated parent is a great parent.
And I think moms and dads are like, what does my pediatrician say? Because obviously these entities must have my kids' best interests at heart. It's almost like vaccines are a crazier topic to talk about now than almost any topic.
We have to talk about this. Our kids deserve that.
There's a lot of information that's just not true. They're either vaccinate at all costs or your children will die or don't vaccinate at all costs or your children will die.
We need to look at the balance of the pros and the cons on everything. And that's how you make decisions, and it doesn't seem like we're doing that.
What vaccines, in my opinion, need to meet is this quantifiable risk hurdle. The risk is not zero that you won't break your ankle if you're playing in the yard.
There is no question that our children's health is a disaster. It's infuriating as a pediatrician and a dad that we're not open to discussing everything and not coming in with our preconceived notions

about things like vaccines,

because at the end of the day,

we all want the same thing.

We want healthy kids.

Let's just talk about raising healthy children.

What are some advice that you would give to parents

to raise healthy children?

The most important place to start is... hey guys welcome back to the ultimate human podcast i'm your host gary brecca human biologist where we go down the road of everything anti-aging biohacking longevity and everything in between and today i have a very parents, listen up.
He is a board-certified pediatrician. I love the fact that he has a functional medicine orientation.
He's written books on parenting, books on vaccination, both of which are on the table right here. I would encourage you to get both of these books if you're a parent or if you're considering the vaccine controversy for your children.
He is a board-certified pediatrician here in Los Angeles. I'm out in Los Angeles shooting some podcasts.
It's a blessing to have him on the podcast today. So welcome to the podcast, Dr.
Joel Warsh. Thank you for having me on.
It's an honor. Yeah.
So, I mean, this has got to be the hottest topic right now. And I think what happened was the pandemic, you know, sort of split the country in half, you know, people were either pro vaccine or anti vaccine, it had a lot to do with their political orientation, there were people that thought that if you didn't get vaccinated, you were basically fumigating the rest of the population, then there were people that thought if you got vaccinated, you were part of this massive gene experiment that the government and the World Health Organization were doing.
And somewhere in the middle lies the truth. And that's the one thing that I deeply appreciated about the book that you wrote.
I've also been deep down the rabbit hole on vaccines. I certainly don't purport to be an expert on vaccines by any means.
I'm not even a physician or licensed to practice medicine. You are.
I'd love for you to tell my audience a little bit about your journey as a board certified pediatrician. You know, what was your impetus for writing a book on parenting and writing a book on vaccination? What was the objective? So going back, you know, I did all the regular medical training, went to a great allopathic program.
And I would consider myself fairly Western at that time. I mean, integrative medicine wasn't really even a part of the things that I thought of.
I would have to credit the beginning of that journey to my now wife, who I met during residency. She was very holistic minded and it started opening up my eyes.
She's also a physician? She's not a physician a physician she's a lawyer but she just grew up in a family that was more holistic minded okay and so you know eating healthier food being open to having discussions i think that really just opened up my eyes to a world that i had never really thought of before and then looking into functional medicine going to some functional medicine courses and being like well like duh Like, why't we think this way why don't we think about the root cause like obviously we should be there's nothing controversial about that and so i started practicing integrated medicine started learning about it and i'm not against western medicine at all i just started to blend the best of both worlds together right and really seeing how interested people were in that um that just really led me down that path. But over time, I realized that the vast majority of people coming to my office had one major concern or question.
And it was around vaccines and wanting to discuss vaccines. I've never been against vaccines.
I've always been pro-choice and pro-informed consent. So I don't force anybody to do anything.
I never have. And we have discussions in my office and parents continually come in crying from other places that they were kicked out or that they couldn't even have discussions about vaccines.
And so- Couldn't get the kids in the public school system. Right, exactly.
Ostracized. So I just, I had to start learning more about it.
And I started doing social media stuff as well, which again, they don't teach you that stuff in medicine and that started doing really well also but most of the questions I was getting was around vaccines and I wanted to talk about it and I talked about in my office but I felt really hindered from talking about it because it's so controversial and it just got me more and more angry but I went on all sorts of podcasts and shows and I never talked about said, like, I will not talk about vaccines. I just can't.
You know, it's going to get me in trouble. So you really hesitate.
You really shot away from it in the beginning. I think it's politics, religion, and vaccines.
Those are like the no-fly zones, right? But it's almost like vaccines are a crazier topic to talk about now than most of the other things. It was censored heavier than almost any topic.

I mean, you could say things that were true,

and that's definitively proven now.

Mark Zuckerberg said that.

They were actively censoring true information because it would create hesitancy.

And I saw that, and I do think that over the last few years

with the pandemic, people have started to realize

that not everything we're told is completely true.

They want more information, and I do think we're at a place now where it's not just mainstream media all of the other medias are bigger than mainstream media and so if we're going to talk about vaccines or i'm going to talk about things i don't need to go on mainstream media that's fine yeah and i would suggest that you don't actually could yeah i don't have a problem doing it like i i think we should i think we should i think and

that's why i wrote the book in the first place now because i believe that we have to talk about this we have to talk about vaccines our kids deserve that there's a lot of information that's just not true that's passed out there and when you dive into the research which i obviously know some stuff about vaccines i'm a pediatrician but you never learn about vaccine safety right when you're going through med school i looked into the research and there's a study from residency directors so the heads of the residency programs and pediatrics 70 of residency programs don't have vaccine safety i never learned it we learned about vaccines we learned about the diseases but you're not taught this stuff and so you talk more about the schedule this is given at this time so you just given it this time you just accept it right and it's not sometimes people want to put a nefarious motive on there's no nefarious motive you just taught that's what you do so that's what you do when you don't think about it and until you go look at the research you don't really know anything different and when you do it blows your mind mind what is actually there. And so that is why I wanted to write the book because I wanted to get out the information that I saw.
And when you read the books that exist, they're very one-sided. I noticed that too.
You know, they're either like vaccinate at all costs or your children will die and they don't deserve to be in the public school system or don't vaccinate at all costs or your children will die. You feel like you're in different worlds.
Like if you read a book from somebody who is part of the CDC, then you have a very rose-colored view of vaccines. Everything's perfect.
There are no bad studies. There are no problems with it.
And then you read something on the other side and vaccines are the worst thing in the world and you should never take one ever in your life. Right.
And there's nothing in between and there's nothing that has something that RFK says right beside what Paul Offit says on the same topic. Right.
And you need that to be able to make decisions. And we need to have debates and discussions about those topics.
And they've never happened. Yeah.
You know, I really have identified with this Make America Healthy Again movement and what Bobby Kennedy is doing inside of the current administration. And I hope he gets confirmed gets confirmed.
I think that he will, because I think that, you know, you've got to have someone that is on the one yard line to get, you know, society from the end zone to the 50 yard line. Right.
I mean, and it's not that we're going to move, the pendulum is going to swing all the way one way or the other. One of the things that I really like is centered around true informed consent because an educated parent is a great parent.
And I think for so many decades, moms and dads in the best interest of their children are like, what does my pediatrician say? What does my primary care doctor say? What does the public school system say? Because obviously these entities must have my kids' best interests at heart, and they just blindly sort of followed guidelines. And now I think we're getting back to informed choice, you know, which is informed consent, you know, I guess the legal term in the medical literature.
And, you know, can we give parents that do not have a depth of expertise on vaccination, both sides of the story, and say, here are the risks if you do vaccinate, here are the risks if you don't vaccinate, and here's kind of where the research and the literature lies. And one of the things I do appreciate about Bobby Kennedy is that I hear him talk over and over, not just about informed consent, but about pushing vaccines to go through the same level of rigorous testing that other drugs and treatments and modalities go through.
Longer term studies, larger cohorts, double blind, peer reviewed, placebo controlled, randomized clinical trials, you know, the highest level of scientific scrutiny. And would you agree that that's absent in a lot of, I'm not trying to sway your, your answer one way or the other.
You can ask me anything you want. Well, okay, good.
Sway me, but I'll push you back. Don't worry.
Don't mind that we planted a bomb under your seat and I have a little button right here. My whole life now with vaccines is that.
I wouldn't be shocked. So, you know, would you agree on the one side of the equation that a lot of vaccines have not gone through extensive rigorous testing at the level that other drugs and treatments and modalities have gone through? They have not gone through the best possible testing.
Almost none of them have. So you have to be very specific with that.
We can stop the podcast right there. Thank you.
but you have to be very specific because people twist and turn this they have gone through a lot of testing a lot of safety testing before they hit the market it's not like they haven't done that they have done placebo controlled trials absolutely have they haven't done inert placebo controlled trials there is a big difference because the vast majority of the research when it

comes to vaccines has been studied against an active placebo.

So what we want ideally is against saltwater or water, right?

Like something that actually won't have an effect.

Most of the trials for vaccines are against another vaccine.

So like the earlier version of it or the vaccine without the actual antigen in

it. So like the MMR vaccine without the MMR part in it,

Thank you. vaccines are against another vaccine so like the earlier version of it or the vaccine without the actual antigen in it so like the mmr vaccine without the mmr part in it that's what most of the trials have and you go back in time so you go back you study one vaccine versus its earlier vaccine versus the earlier vaccine and the first vaccine wasn't studied in the best way because it was maybe done 20 30 40 years ago so it wasn't true or something level that we did now so you're saying something is safe based on something else and it's not against nothing and that's a big difference because you could say with a lot of the studies well the new MMR vaccine is not more dangerous than the old MMR vaccine but that doesn't mean that the original MMR vaccine doesn't cause a third arm like if if both you know both and a bunch of people get a third arm, you say, oh, it's just equally as safe.
But if you did it against an inert placebo like saltwater, you might actually see a difference there. And maybe there is some sort of danger that you need to be concerned about.
You know, we talked about this before the podcast started. You know, I have a background in probability and statistics and modeling for for mortality and it's really interesting how a good statistician can without manipulating the numbers per se falsifying the data and outright committing fraud but they can ask a different question and to get the outcome for the headliner that they want to grab so for example you you have 100 people that take a certain therapeutic intervention and one person gets helped.
And then they modify that intervention. And now one and a half people out of 100 get helped.
And they go, it's 50% more effective. And so, you know, someone reads that and goes, wow, this one is 50% more effective than the other one.
But it was a half a person for every hundred people or, you know, top five people for every thousand people. You know, it's really interesting how probability and statistics and statistical modeling

without outright fraudulently fudging data can actually lead to different outcomes depending

on how you ask this question. And I think very often from what I've seen, this is

Thank you. data can actually lead to different outcomes depending on how you ask this question.
And I think very often, from what I've seen, this is what's going on in vaccines. And I want to talk a little bit about the genesis of vaccines.
Again, I am not a vaccine expert, but we used to make a lot of vaccines out of attenuated viruses where we would extract the DNA, leave the envelope, the nucleocapsid protein, which would cause this antibody response, right? But it wasn't capable of infecting you. To me, that seems like polio, right? I mean, to me that seems, I don't know, but a more safe way, if that's even a term, to inoculate somebody's body because at least you're infecting them with something that can't actually cause the disease.
It can't inject its DNA and take over that cellular, that cell's metabolic function. So that is true, and that's why a lot of vaccines have moved to the inactivated, like polio, because the oral polio vaccine actually can give you polio.
It happened. It doesn't happen very often.
and it's like one in a million or one in a few million, but it was causing more polio because the oral polio vaccine actually can give you polio it happened it doesn't happen very often it's like one in a million or one in a few million but it was causing more polio than polio was causing polio right so they got rid of it and they left just the inactivated polio the problem with the inactivated vaccines over a live vaccine is they just don't work as well they're not as effect as effective so you have to wait they don't solicit as they don't solicit as a robust response like the measles vaccine is a very good vaccine because it's a live the live vaccines they tend to give you a more robust response over your lifetime the oral polio vaccine tends to work better it's more efficacious than is the inactivated polio vaccine so that's the trade-off that you get for those two vaccines so it's it's it's a give and a take and a take, but that's what we need to do. We need to look at the balance of the pros and the cons on everything.
And that's how you make decisions. And it doesn't seem like we're doing that.
Right. So I want to walk through some of the, the more controversial vaccines and some of the more controversial vaccine methods, because I think this is where there's, there's a lot of headlines that are being grabbed right now, meaning hepatitis B vaccine being probably the one that's most common that I see in the headlines right now because this is a virus that is transmitted by sexual activity, by intravenous drug use, and yet it's given within a very short time frame after birth.
And the mothers are tested for hep B. So we know that the mother either is hep B positive or hep B negative.
So we know whether or not the fetus has been exposed. But after birth, I mean, the chances of a child, you know, engaging in sexual activity or intravenous drug use are pretty much zero.
Unless they have a wild baby party, which is what we talk about in my mouth sometimes. Yeah, wild baby parties.
Baby parties can get out of hand. Sometimes, apparently.
I was going to make a really bad joke, but I won't do that. But the, you know, so baby is born, their little immune system has barely entered this world.
I mean, they're adjusting to this entirely new environment. I mean, they're breathing for the first time, they're nursing for the first time, they're out of the womb.
And then immediately we hit them with a hepatitis B vaccine for sexually transmitted or intravenous drug use vaccine that the chances of them contracting are zero. And I want to start there because, you know, that level of controversy seems to fly in the face of the conventional wisdom of this vaccine schedule.
And it's, it's unnecessarily, in my opinion, activating their immune system at such an early stage when it's really just trying to figure out its way in the world. What's your specifically to the hepatitis B vaccine, what are your thoughts on that vaccine and the timing of it? So it's a great question.
It's the most controversial vaccine, I would say, in terms of the timing in my office and the questions that I get, it's the most skipped vaccine, I would say, for individuals, probably any of all the vaccines, because of things that you mentioned. So I say the one thing you said that's incorrect is there isn't zero risk.
It's just very, very, very low risk. Right.
Right. It's not zero risk because the reason if you go back and you look at why they changed hepatitis B to give it to baby.
So originally it was just given to high risk groups. So those that were sexually active, those that were older, those that were misqu miscuous those kinds of things and then they decided at whatever point that that wasn't good enough there were still kids getting hepatitis b uh and so they wanted more universal vaccination so they gave it to them at birth because you technically can get it from somebody who has hepatitis b if they bleed on you if you're not aware so the the risk to a newborn is basically zero if you don't have hepatitis B if nobody in your house has hepatitis B if you don't go around anybody with hepatitis B and you don't get bled on or something like that right the risk is infinitely low right but you can have hepatitis B and not know it so that's the theoretical concern now nowadays we test right realistically it's what's really interesting is is i mean there's a there's a quantifiable risk to just about everything right there's a risk every time that you get in the car to drive your kid to school that you you could get in a motor vehicle accident and if you look at motor vehicle accident deaths for prepubescent children um you know um that are traveling to and from school, or even on public transportation, there is a risk that you'll be involved in a motor vehicle accident.
We can't stop taking kids to school. I think what vaccines, in my opinion, need to meet is this quantifiable risk hurdle.
Okay, yes, the risk is not absolutely zero, but the risk is not zero that you won't break your ankle if you're playing in the yard. Right, and that's the key factor there, right? That's the key question that has to be asked and has to be discussed and has to be debated because there isn't any question that the amount of hepatitis B, the rates have gone down because of universal vaccination.
There are fewer people that have it. There are fewer people to pass it on.
We don't see babies that get anymore because kids get hepatitis b if they decide to do it but the question is at what cost yeah right at what cost in mainstream medicine media says oh there's no cost vaccines are perfect you know they barely cause any issues you know we have a few things that are kind of listed maybe it happens once in a million but other than that you're totally fine and that just can't be totally true we have to research things in a way to figure out what the actual long-term effects are and of course there has to be some effect to some babies if you're giving a newborn baby something that changes up their immune system in some way and how that affects you long term it's it's impossible to know because we don't study that we don't study things in that way if you look at the original hepatitis b vaccine studies they studied them for safety for just a couple of days like four or five days um was the active studying and so you can't really know all that much from that there certainly have been follow-up studies that have looked at these things but how do you know what hepatitis B vaccine does to you 20 years later? Right. Like, we just don't know.
So I'm not saying that it isn't safe. Right.
We just don't know, and we have to have an extremely high bar of evidence and proof to give a newborn baby something that they don't actively need when the risk, in my opinion, is very, very, very very very very low so to balance out that very low risk you have to have a really high bar of safety and when people talk about safety testing that's what they're talking about is do we have that robust level of data to confidently say that we we we feel like the benefits outweigh the risk and that's what we need so people can make an informed choice right it doesn't mean you shouldn't take it it just means that you should be able to know the risk and the benefits so you can decide if you right because you might want to protect your baby from hepatitis b yeah well um i mean i guess you would want to protect them if you were in a high-risk environment i guess the million dollar question as a board certified pediatrician the author of this book on vaccines is did your child get the hepatitis b vaccine so i don't ever talk about my own kids i say my office uh in my office people do all sorts of things that's the most what i i let them you know one day if they want to talk about it they can talk about whatever they did or didn't do um but in my office people do everything um meaning vaccinate some vaccinate some don't i would say the vast majority it choose not to do that one because they've been tested and they decide to do it later if they're going to do vaccines okay and then you know there's a there's another controversy around the use of some of these metals because especially aluminum because aluminum does solicit an inflammatory response which in in the case of a vaccine would heighten the immune system's response to that antigen and again correct me if i'm saying something's wrong but the portion of the aluminum that has not really been studied are does it actually heighten or solicit the inflammatory and allergenic response to other things like pollen, hay fever, ragweed, eggs, you know, and peanuts. And there seems to be some correlated studies, not causal studies, that would indicate that, you know, when we were using these metals in vaccines to elicit this heightened immune response, that in the presence of other antigens that we weren't really trying to inoculate the child against, like peanuts and other things, that if they happen to have ingested peanuts at the time where they were getting this vaccine.
Now all of a sudden they have this peanut allergy or they have an allergy to something else because the immune system flared up because of the aluminum carrier that was designed to really heighten the response to that vaccine and sort of crossed over into other areas of now very what turned out to be very severe allergies i mean you look at the the the number of peanut allergies now in young kids i mean i my my father's 82 years old then i i asked him the other day captain john breckham i was like you know how many kids did you know growing up that had peanut allergies he's like nobody um nobody. He actually didn't know anybody that had autism either, which is another whole hot topic.
And I didn't either as a child. Now my 16-year-old knows 10 people with autism.
And so there's no doubt that there's skyrocketing rates of autism. The question is why.
But I want to get back to the aluminum thing. There's three big questions here.
Yeah. I'm piling all these.
These are all their own chapters. We'll do each one.
We'll do all three because they're all super interesting. Okay, so can we just touch on some of these carrier mechanisms that we're using? We use an attenuated virus, which I think seems to be the safest route to me, and then we also purposely put other compounds in these vaccines so that we heighten the immune system's response.
And now it seems to carry over into other reactions. So, okay, so let's do- Or allergies.
So number one, one of the big reasons why we need to talk about this is all the stuff that you just mentioned with chronic disease, because yes, it is very true that basically every chronic disease is increasing in kids, like 50 kids or so have a chronic disease um asthma rates have doubled or tripled allergy autism double or tripled autism rates have gone through the roof it was one in 150 and 20 in 2000 and now it's one in 36 1 in 22 in california so like those numbers have skyrocketed 1 in 22 1 in 22 we're one of the highest in world yeah wow let's leave autism we'll come back to it wow people always want to talk about autism so we'll do it but yeah um let's start with aluminum uh so that would be i would say the hottest topic in terms of the ingredients in in vaccines right now the issue so aluminum like you said it's used to help stimulate the immune response that's why it's there if you don't stimulate the immune response for some of these vaccines it doesn't give you as robust an immune response so it doesn't work that well so that's why they have it in there the research from mainstream is that it doesn't cause any negative side effects they've done panels and groups and all the research you know overall shows that so that that's kind of the mainstream opinion on aluminum my concern with it love to see the conflicts of interest on this panel yeah there are plenty that's another you can okay there's conflicts of interest in everything because the people that uh do a lot of the research are like the head of the cdc uh vaccine safety and if they find vaccine problems they're probably not keeping their job very long so there is inherent conflicts not that they shouldn't do research but that that's the inherent conflict there but if you look at the other metals so start with lead right lead was never in vaccines but lead was totally fine for a long time right and then we started to learn more and no more and you drop the amount that was okay and now we say no lead is safe then you had mercury in vaccines so you So you had thimerosal. That was one of the active ingredients.

Still never technically proven to cause an issue,

but they pulled it out of vaccines anyways out of precaution because of all the controversy around 2000 around it.

And so they pulled it out.

So we have other metals.

The problem is they pulled it out after they inoculated millions of kids.

Oh, yeah.

It was in vaccines.

It's still in some vaccines. Not the main ones.
It's in the multi-dose flu because it is a really good preservative, so it helps kill the bacteria and the fungi. So that's why it's in there.
It was never proven, air quotes, to be a problem, but they took it out in an abundance of caution because the concern was that you were getting more mercury in vaccines than was stated to be safe to get mercury from food. So they decided that in an abundance of caution, they would take it out is what they say.
So that happened. So now you have aluminum.
That's the other thing that's in there. And they say that it's safe.
But I guess the question is going to be over the next 10, 20 years, as we get more and more research and data, are we going to decide that it it's not very safe and you cannot possibly say that aluminum is totally safe because we have safety uh regulations on everything else you have how much aluminum you can have in the air when you're working you have safety data from the epa and water you can have 0.2 uh you know 0.2 milligrams in in water in a liter but you can have that much aluminum in a vaccine. So then they say, well, you know, you're drinking water all the time versus a vaccine you're just getting every now and again.
So once in a while is okay. And oh, by the way, we have lots of aluminum in our food and you have aluminum in medications and that's a much, much higher dose.
So the amount of aluminum you're getting from vaccines overall is still really, really, really low. So therefore, you know, we don't need to worry about it.
And that's the rationale that they have. And it's true.
It is much lower than you get in general, but it's not injecting it into you. So it's a little bit of a different mechanism.
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Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. Well, I would argue that, I would argue that, you know, a lot of times, you know, we say the dosage determines poison.
And I don't know that that's necessarily true a lot of times because very often it's the cumulative dosage that determines the poison. Nobody got mercury poisoning from eating one piece of tuna fish.
They got mercury poisoning because mercury is extraordinarily slow to be methylated out of the body. We do methylate heavy metals and we do slowly eliminate them, but it's an extraordinarily slow process.
And if you keep inoculating the body, especially in somebody that's a poor methylator, then these compounds tend to stack up and then bang, you've got mercury poisoning or lead poisoning or aluminum poisoning or heavy metal toxicity and all of the consequences that go with that, you know, linked to Hashimoto's and all kinds of other autoimmune conditions. And you've got metals embedded in the tissue and they're hard to find because they're hard to find in the bloodstream because they leave the blood, go into the tissue.
But what is your opinion after having looked at all the data on using aluminum as one of these carriers to solicit this immune response so what is the data set the data still shows that it doesn't cause any major concern but the data is done by the people that are looking into it and when you there is some research out there that looks at actually the aluminum in vaccines and the amount of aluminum vaccines isn't actually what it's stated sometimes it's higher it's lower. Now we have more and more vaccines.
So I would say my opinion is it's not unreasonable to be concerned about it, right? I think that we should not feel bad or a parent should not feel bad about being concerned that there is aluminum being injected into their child and that they would want more research and data to be done to independently look at this, to have a better idea of what's going on. Just like with mercury like with lead i think we need a lot more information so if a parent came into your office and said listen i'm um i don't want to take the hepatitis b vaccine because nobody in my house has hepatitis b or nobody in my family has hepatitis b i don't plan to let somebody bleed on my baby um and uh you know i don't want to up their immune response.
What would be your response to that parent? I wouldn't force them to do anything. I mean, never do.
We just have discussions around what that means and the risks about hepatitis B. And if they're comfortable with that risk and that's what they're comfortable with, just like anything else, if you're going to do surgery, you talk about the pros and the cons.
Some people decide to do it. Some people don't.
And I, i don't know why medicine has moved into this place where they feel like they're the doctor's opinion to replace the patients for whatever reason medicine has moved to telling people what to do instead of teaching them which which doctor literally means docer which is to teach right that's the meaning of the word that's what it always was and now we're telling people what to do and you should be giving them the information so they can make the best choices for them if you totally believe in vaccines that's great convince the patient to do it based on information and data that's available and if they decide to do it do it and not not but we have very much moved into a place where it's my way or the highway and you're kicked out of the office if you don't do it. And that brings a lot of ethics and concerns that I think we're, we're moving into.
Where do you fall on, on the aluminum in vaccines? Would, are you exactly middle of the road? Hey, there's enough evidence to say that they don't cause harm and enough evidence to say that they do cause harm. This should purely be the parent's decision.
Or do you say, you know, I'd like to see more safety trials. I'd like to see more evidence giving the correlated evidence of this parabolic rise in the vaccine schedule and the parabolic rise in all kinds of childhood issues.
We have the highest rate of childhood cancer in recorded history. We have the highest rates of autism.
We have the of obesity we have the highest rates of metabolic syndrome and they seem to be starting in younger and younger and younger ages i mean we have um you know and i know that's multifactorial but you know we have uh young girls starting their period right way before their previous years um and i'm sure you've seen that in your practice too and i know that there's not one panacea oh it's just the vaccines oh it's just the hormone disruptors oh it's just the shampoo it's just the processed food i think it's a combination of all of these things this sort of toxic soup that we're bathing their cellular biology in but what where do you where do you fall personally on on vaccines that have aluminum metals in them as a carrier i think there is no

question that our children's health is a disaster and moving in the wrong direction and it's infuriating as a pediatrician and a dad that we're not open to discussing everything and looking into everything and not coming in with our preconceived notions about things like vaccines or ingredients in vaccines, because at the end of the day, we all want the same thing. We want healthy kids.
Right. Right.
And we might not all agree on how to get there. You might be the most pro-vaccine person in the world and some might be totally anti-vaccine, but that doesn't matter.
The question is, what is actually creating this inflammation and these chronic diseases? And we have to be open open to everything and aluminum and vaccines are a very logical probable contributor to this epidemic in some way right right in some way for some kids in certain situations and to say that there's no evidence or data of that is ridiculous if you look at certain books they say there's no evidence then if you look at other books, there's lots of evidence in good journals. Well, there's plenty of evidence on aluminum.
I think the jury is not out on aluminum. Yeah.
Look, whether or not the amount of aluminum in the vaccine, but I mean, the jury is in on aluminum in its capacity to elicit inflammatory results. Correct.
And there's no question about that. And I don't even know that's argued.
I think the argument for those that are pro-vaccine is the amount is so little that that's not actually the trigger or the cause. And I think that's very debatable.
And I think that's something that should be debated because it's a very plausible mechanism. You are literally hyper-stimulating the immune system to do something.
And so whether that would have any effect on your immune system, whether it would affect the balance in your immune system, there is a lot of biological plausibility to that, even though they say that there isn't. I don't know why, because we know that vaccines cause reactions, right? It's not like that's anti-science, like it's listed on the inserts.
You know, it's been proven that it causes encephalopathy and Guillain-Barre syndrome and seizures in a minority of people, but it does. So if it can do that, then why can't it do other things for certain people? It just hasn't been proven, but you have to do the research to prove it.
Right. And that's, well, that's a good segue to autism.
I don't know where you want to go. That's exactly where I want to go.
Cause I sort of want to through this. And then I want to also talk about vaccine timing because I also think that, you know, when a child is going from, you know, birth through their pubescent years, there's no mechanism in nature where they would be exposed at this schedule and the rate of these vaccines

to the types of debilitating diseases and conditions that we're vaccinating against. No question that a child is not going to be exposed to polio and malaria and tuberculosis and hepatitis B and typhoid fever and all of these different significant diseases, the debilitating diseases in the period of time that we're inoculating them for those.
I want to come back to autism in a second, but one of the things that's happened over the last few decades is not only has the number of vaccines on the schedule significantly increased and maybe you could give me some data on that i don't i don't want to quote

it because i don't purport to know the exact number and how it's increased but it seems to

me like you know every other time they're going to the pediatrician we're not they're not only

getting vaccines but very often they're grouped together oh yeah um and we and and parents are are thinking well wow i'm going to inoculate my child with multiple vaccines that's going to solicit at the same time this multiple immune response on multiple fronts as if they, you know, landed in a foreign country and they got bit by a mosquito, stepped on a rusty nail, got an intravenous, had an intravenous drug action, was involved in sexual activity and caught an airborne illness you know like this this this bomb went off and we need to protect them against that so can you talk a little bit about timing and grouping these vaccines together and whether or not you feel or the evidence says that it's overwhelming their little immune systems so i think parents parents are just lost. It's another question I get all the time, and it's another great question that doesn't specifically have research to answer the question, which is really frustrating.
If you ask people at the CDC or you read Paul Offit's books, there really is no upper limit to what they're uncomfortable with in terms of giving antigens and vaccines for kids. I mean, they're they're they're quoted like they're just say, well, you know, you're exposed to all sorts of things every day.
And you get, you know, you eat an apple and there's all sorts of antigens on there. You're exposed to strep streptococcus and how many antigens are on there.
So you can have 10,000 vaccines. You could have 100,000 vaccines and you would be totally fine.
And they literally literally say that like you can go to their website and there's no upper limit to the amount of vaccines they say that there's no upper limit it's right there like there's wow you know so it's i mean i hope that you take issue with that i know i take great issue okay because that's a preposterous thing to say it doesn't make any sense that an antigen in a vaccine is not the same thing as an antigen in real life and that's not the same thing as injecting it and it's not the same thing as injecting it in a soup of chemicals and it's not the same thing as injecting it with a compound that's meant to solicit a greater response from the immune system than if they encountered that right it's just not the same thing now could you get 10 000 vaccines in a day i don't know maybe right i don't know i don't know maybe that's not unsafe but that doesn't seem logical to me and it seems unsafe um and definitely it seems unsafe to me yeah but uh you can go to the doctor now at six months old and you can get six different vaccines you can get the vaxelles vaccine which has the d tap uh homophilus influenza hepatitis b and polio that's all in one then you can get the pneumaxilis vaccine, which has the DTAP, hemophilus, influenza, hepatitis B, and polio. That's all in one.
Then you can get the pneumococcus vaccine. You could get the rotavirus vaccine.
You can get the flu vaccine. You can get the COVID vaccine all in one day.
That's six. Wow.
With multiple things in there. And that is on the regular schedule.
So that- And what's interesting, and not to cut you off, but what's interesting is those vaccines have different delivery mechanisms. You know, some are mRNA, some are attenuated viruses, some have the aluminum, some don't.
So, you know, I think it's not just the vaccine. It's like the mechanism of soliciting the immune response.
And not to mention that there are different versions of each one. So it's just like a mix and match, right? It's like, oh, yeah, I guess they're all fine and they're all fine together and you can do them whenever you want and where is the research to show that that is what we need i can't say that that's unsafe but i can certainly say that there is a theoretical reasonableness to being concerned about more and more vaccines on the same day however you do it and they're definitely not studied like that and you would think that it would be reasonable hey, I wanna study, we wanna give measles and chicken box together.
If there's a couple of different versions, which ones are safer? Yeah, and I mean, have there been any really strong, you know, high quality studies that look at, I know that they look at vaccines individually, but have there been any studies, credible studies that look at grouping of the vaccines at one time not really so so a lot of the trials do you have some of the other vaccines in there because you you have to give have to give kids the regular scheduled vaccines at this point so they are still getting their normal vaccines in the setting of the study so those are that's just part of it when you're getting it so they are getting different vaccines but they're not studying they're not studying that question they're let's say they're studying a new measles vaccine they're studying the old measles vaccine against the new measles vaccine in the setting of you getting your other vaccines so you're not mix and matching you're not comparing those other things you're just studying the safety of one measles shot versus the other shot and then those are other things that are just like background so no they're they're not. And you just keep adding more vaccines.
We have an RSV vaccine, a COVID vaccine, a flu vaccine. How do these things, when you're getting them every year, impact that whole schedule? We don't know that.
And we have to know that. We have to know.
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And I've seen summaries of these reports where, you know, a child is fully functional. They're neurologically healthy.
They've got all the proper reflexes and responses

that they're supposed to have and then they get a group of vaccines and the their their neurological system just shuts down and i'm sure you've seen this in your practice too and you know you can't go in and pinpoint but they're like, well, he got vaccinated on Monday and Wednesday he was in a neurological storm

for lack of better words.

Their neurological system was clearly overwhelmed.

And now the kids have all kinds of paralysis,

seizures, learning disabilities, speech impairments instantly, like out of the gate. I mean, dramatic responses.
And when you see something like that, I mean, do you really need a clinical study to show that correlation when you see that kind of over and over again? So you do need a study, but you don't need it to listen to parents to do those studies right i i think one of the most most frustrating things is we're not listening to parents and we're not listening to moms amen to that we're the same story is happening over and over and over again and they're shamed and they're said that they're crazy and that they don't know what they're talking about and parent has no reason to lie they have no reason to make this up right like you're you're a parent who in theory went in and got your vaccine so you're probably vaccine to whatever degree and you got a bunch of vaccines a bunch of stuff happened and then you're now concerned that it was because the vaccines. That's not an unreasonable position to have.
You need the studies to prove whether it's right or wrong because an anecdote is just an anecdote and things happen. And you get a vaccine today and some people inherently are going to die today, are going to have a heart attack today.
So you could go into the doctor in the morning and get a vaccine and die in the afternoon from a heart attack and you would blame it on the vaccine right it doesn't have to be because of the vaccine i get that but when you see you know identical stories correct occurring you know after but that's why you need the research i think and that's why i'm saying that because you have to prove that it's not just a correlation that just you know one one person died or you know got autism right after a vaccine so you're saying well that's the reason no you have to show that and and well we have to listen to parents to do that that's where research comes from right you you get the research idea from listening to individuals or noticing something or noticing a pattern and there is a very clear pattern that we're hearing from parents and yet we hear that there is no no relationship between vaccines and autism and the science is proven. The science is absolutely proven.
I've been told this my whole career. I never thought to question it.
I never thought to think about it because you're just told, like, vaccines don't cause autism. The research is so robust.
We know this for sure. Well, we know for sure that there's no such thing as sudden onset autism.
We also know that autism is not something you can catch you can have a non-autistic child hang out with all autistic children for hundreds and hundreds of days and not get autism but then you have a non-autistic child that gets a group of vaccines and this has happened uh hundreds if not thousands of times that i've i've read uh and they suddenly have autism and so you have this sudden onset of a neuroinflammatory condition within a very specific window of being vaccinated. Most of the time, it's when they have multiple inoculations that I've read.
I want you to take issue with what I'm saying. If I say something that's not right.
Nope, I've read that. And so, yes, maybe there's not a, you know,'s it's correlated not causal um if we want to get super technical but when you see so many parents having the same experience and so many children having the same experience and we know there's no such thing as sudden autism there is such thing as sudden onset cardiac death um so maybe that could not be correlated but no one was just woke up one day and was fine and went to bed that night and had autism.
Right. But I think it's important to be super precise because we want to be super precise with this because it matters if we want to move the conversation forward and to move the conversation forward, the research has not been done on autism, right? It's, you can't say that vaccines cause autism because you'd have to have the research to show that we have not done that to be able to show that vaccines cause autism so you can't say that and i think personally many things can cause autism or be related to autism it's not just vaccines i think they could potentially light a fire for some kids that are already there kids get it you know maybe it's something to do with birth defect or something in utero or environmental outcomes i think because we don't have a specific test for autism it's probably many things many things can contribute but when you talk about the research on autism we are told over and over again it's settled and if you look at the research it's not it doesn't exist okay it doesn't exist like it's in my entire life this is probably the most shocking thing i've ever seen because for this study for this book i wanted to go through the research and you know this is why medicine says autism is not caused by vaccines it's very clear there's so much evidence like let me show you why here's the other stuff and so we should keep looking at this but here is the evidence when i started going through the research and i have a master's in epidemiology so i oh well i have I have done research in the past I've actually done a literature review on body checking and hockey you know Canadian whatever so that's what I did it was a body checking injuries hockey but I did injuries injury I have done research I had a good idea so I started going through the literature on PubMed and I was shocked at what I was not finding.
So that made no sense. So I started looking at the literature that existed.
I started reading books. Like I read Paul Offit's book and Peter Hotez's book about autism because like there has to be more.
It doesn't exist. They've only studied MMR and thimerosal.
Thimerosal research doesn't really matter anymore because it's not really in the vaccine. So you can put all that stuff out.
And so that means they've just studied MMR. You get MMR when you're one.
Right. We have all sorts of other vaccines before then.
They have not been studied ever. Okay.
If it was done, Paul Offit would wave it. Everybody would wave it.
They would say, it's insane. And you're saying that vaccines are proven.
You cannot say that. You cannot say that it has been proven not to cause autism, or it does.
You need the research. Would you agree that autism is a neuroinflammatory condition? I think for some kids it is.
I think it's many things, but yes. Would you agree that certain vaccines and vaccine compounds can cause neural inflammation or at least cause oh they can definitely cause neuroinflammation that there's no question i mean the the reports the studies they show that they can cause encephalopathy and seizures right and that is why encephalopathy there you go right so so if those things are possible and if you look at the animal studies that have been done there are changes to the brain in certain areas that affect similar things like you would see in autism so obviously an animal study is not the same as humans but there is a biological plausibility there but you have to study it to prove it and the fact that we haven't actually studied it is very concerning to me yeah because the question is why why don't, it would not be very hard to use large databases to look at these things.
I mean, we have the database. You can use artificial intelligence to even to comb the vast amount of data that we have.
I mean, I think, I talk about this all the time, the merger of artificial intelligence and big data and early detection could look at this voluminous database that we have and take all of these correlations and independently validate trillions of independent variables and say this is at least the most likely right um and i've seen so many especially with rfk lately so many things and the mainstream media saying like, it's proven. We know there are hundreds of studies.
No, there isn't. They have not read the literature because I never read literature.
I should have, but I was told this my whole life. So why would I look and spend weeks and months reading books to read the research? When you go read it, if doctors want to go read it and they can, if they disagree, send me the papers.
If you can find it, they don't exist. I promise you, because you can read Paul Offit's book when you go read it if doctors want to go read it and they can if they disagree send me the papers if you can find it they don't exist i promise you because you can read paul off its book and you can read peter hotez's book on autism and they don't have anything else in there except for basically mmr and thimerosal so you can say with some general confidence that probably mmr itself is correlated with not causing autism because there's a pretty good amount of studies in that but that doesn't mean that vaccines don't right because vaccines are not a lot they're a lot so maybe it's multiple in a row maybe it's multiple on one day maybe it's a specific ingredient in there maybe it's the combination of those things with a certain genetic makeup i don't know may have nothing to do with vaccine yeah i don't know but we should know yeah i mean at a minimum if a parent came to you for advice and said listen i've read your book and i'm i i'm ready to make a decision um would you recommend that they at a minimum spread the vaccines out um or are you fine inoculating children with multiple vaccines in one shot this the c schedule is still the CDC schedule.
So until something else is studied to make a recommendation above and beyond that, that is still the recommendation. I tell people they have to make that decision themselves because anything else than that would be giving medical advice, especially on a podcast, right? Well, you're a board certified pediatrician.
But I can't give medical advice someone's not my patient ah so so even but even in my office i still think that the research is missing to give the actual appropriate advice to build the way the pros and the cons so therefore i can't supersede my opinion over the family's opinion based on the fact that this is what i've read and this is what i think you should because the the evidence and the research and the guidelines are to do it based on that schedule. If you want to go outside of that, that is a personal choice with the way that you weigh the pros and the cons for those vaccines.
And I, I think that we need to do that more so we can get the research because how do you know what the risk from a vaccine is unless it's studied in that way? And that's a huge part of the equation because there is no question based on the data that vaccines do a lot for some of those diseases. But the question is, what are the risks? What are the risks of exposure to some of those diseases? Right.
I don't know if you know that RFK was talking about Guinea-Bissau in Africa about the DPT vaccine. So the wholesale vaccine that we don't use anymore because of all the issues that it had so got taken off the market it's still used by millions of people in africa and there was a really interesting that he mentioned that i never had heard of it and then i went to look and it's true but the kids that get the dpt vaccine so they were checking them three month intervals when they were young there was a five times higher rate of death and the kids that got the DPT vaccine than the kids that didn't get it.

And they weren't dying from diphtheria, pertussis, or tetanus. Those were fine, but they were dying of other things.
And this has been studied multiple times by multiple different people. So these are the kind of questions we have to ask.
What else is happening? Because if that increases your risk of X, Y, and Z, that might be worse than your risk

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I want to also talk about, we've talked about attenuated viruses, aluminum vaccines.

You know, recently, we've added mRNA vaccines.

These are messenger RNA.

And to oversimplify it, you know, the DNA in the nucleus of the cell, aside from replicating itself and creating an exact copy of itself, it also sends messages into the cell to the different organelles, and those messages are called messenger RNA, you know, messenger ribonucleic acid. So it's sort of like the CEO, which is the DNA inside the nucleus of the cell, has a notepad, and he scribbles down directions to instruct a cell organelle to conduct a certain activity.
So if I'm the CEO, if I'm the DNA, I write this message, messenger ribonucleic acid, I send it out into the cytoplasm of the cell, a cell organelle that message and then conducts that you know instruction make this protein for example and from my understanding and i would love for you to clarify this that messenger rna and that the dna would send into the cytoplasm of the cell that message that instructs that cell organelle to make certain protein, when it's organic, it degrades over a certain period of time. What we did with messenger RNA vaccines, mRNA vaccines, was we made a synthetic copy of that message and we inject this.
So we kind of stole the CEO's notepad and said, we're going to write instructions on behalf of the DNA. The cell organelle is not going to know the difference between an mRNA message that came from the DNA and an mRNA message that came from this synthetic inoculation.
And when that message reaches that cell organelle, my understanding, one of the downsides that does seem to have some significant clinical evidence is that that message does not degrade, or at least does not degrade as quickly as an organic message would. And therefore, there's a tendency for some people, especially to overproduce these proteins, like a spike protein or other proteins.
Where do you fall on that? So I agree with what you said. I'm not an expert in that, I would say.
I think that, you know, the research on the MRI vaccines is changing so frequently. And I certainly touch on the book a little bit, but I don't get so into it because I think that needs its own library of books because it's so new and it keeps changing but from what i have read and from what i have seen the theory is that it's supposed to degrade really quickly that's not necessarily being found from some research in some studies and certainly they're finding it in places they didn't expect to find it and it's not degrading nearly as fast They're still finding it months years later so i i do think that there is a concern around the the knowledge that we initially had about this this this platform versus what's actually occurring yeah and i think it would be safe to say that um there's there's no research that would find an organic messenger RNA sequence that left the nucleus of the cell, went into the cytoplasm months or certainly not years after that message was sent.
And so if we are picking up mRNA messages years, which I've seen those studies myself, after inoculation, that is a very non-natural response that we're asking the body to solicit. And maybe it wasn't intended.
I don't know that I fall in the camp that this was a giant gene experiment conducted by a small group of people to take over the world. But I am in the camp of how did we ever do this mass inoculation on the population without long-term safety data? And when you look at the way that a lot of these vaccines were approved through these emergency use authorizations, the emergency use authorization was essentially designed to allow for the rapid deployment of a treatment when there were no other treatments available.
And I think there were other treatments available. There were other antiviral treatments that had very high safety studies and also had high efficacy like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin.
I mean, those two words just got this whole podcast thing. That's it.
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If vaccines didn't get you, you said the other ones. And it's so sad because I am, and I can tell you are too, I'm really trying to have a non-biased discussion.
I'm not trying to get on here and say it was all a big giant gene experiment designed to kill everybody. But i'm saying is common sense says if we stole the ceo's notepad and we can still find the message years later that's not the intention right i mean flat out i just want to say on that let's just call it what it is when you go through the pandemic and one of the reasons and things that pushed me over this was just very obvious push me over the edge well push you over the edge in terms of like being willing to and need feeling like i need to start talking about this is yeah the the lies and the obvious ridiculous things that were said during that time like they can't happen again trust in medicine is gone because of the ridiculous things that were said that yeah i've read some statistical erosion you talk about so you look at the stats like 70 plus people used 2020 uh were favorable for doctors and hospitals now it's under 40 these are big polls they're gone and and sadly the doctors don't deserve that no doctors are good people they're great people but but you you can't take a profession and just keep forcing things on people without having discussions and the the the ironic thing is all of this forcing has pushing people the other way we have the highest amounts of exemptions requests the lowest vaccine rates ever you know that we've had in modern history so everything's going in the wrong direction and when you say things with a new product like safe and effective it's a ridiculous thing to say because you don't know that because it's new you could say reasonably based on the research that we have so far the benefits seem to outweigh the known risks in the short term and so in the short so we recommend it but and i'm not against you know even the eu, like I'm not against creating a new product because you might need it and you might save your life.
That's fine. The forcing and the gaslighting and the telling people that you require to do something.
That's where we have a problem. That's what needs to be out of medicine.
Tons of people lost their jobs, lost their careers. You don't need to force people to do things.
You have to convince them to take it based on the research and the data. You convince you show them you give them information you let them decide if that was the case no one i don't have a problem with the vaccines i would you can have it you want to take it you think it saves your life great go for it that's what it's there for you want to take just know that that neither side has long-term data i mean we're starting to get some now medium-term data i guess i would say um and in my opinion it's not good but uh but we don't have um the long-term data and that was one of my issues with operation warp speed it's like wow warp speed is just basically waving the safety drop right and that natural it's not you know speeding up the deployment of the vaccine it's just waving what is was put there as a fail safe to protect humanity um i want to kind of shift gears a little bit too, because I'm going to encourage everybody to read your book.
I've not thoroughly read it, but I've read it and saw the same statistics that you saw, you know, the erosion of confidence in our healthcare and a lot of our governmental elites and of the practitioners, which is sad that it's eroding in the practitioner because I've never met a physician that had a sinister motive once in my life. And I know hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of doctors.
And if they did, if they made an error, it was an omissive error, not a commissive error. And I think, you know, we're blaming them for being a part of this grand conspiracy.
And I don't think that the physicians as a whole deserve that, that label. Um, but moving on now to, um, let's brighten the rumor a little bit.

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I'm going to hold on to your coattails. So let's talk about raising healthy children.
We know beyond a shadow of a doubt, autism rates are skyrocketing. Autoimmune diseases are skyrocketing.
Morbid obesity is skyrocketing. We have the highest rates of childhood cancer in recorded history.
We have the highest rates of learning disabilities, which some people would argue, well, now we're testing for learning disabilities and we didn't test for them before. Now we have more sensitive testing for autism.
We didn't test for that before. I think that that's nonsense.
This isn't lightening the room. Yeah, all right.
So, well, I'm about to get to get to the light we're walking from the darkness the sun's about to rise here just just just stay with me um and you know what i want to talk about is um you know first of all i love your approach on informed consent for for parents and i think the book is going to give people the information they need to make those decisions and i hope that their pediatricians and their public schools will respect the wishes of parents. But what are, you know, you also wrote a book on parenting and you're a parent and a pediatrician.
So clearly you're an authority. And what are some things that, some advice that you would give to parents to raise healthy children.
I think the most important place to start is in recognizing that we have to take health into our own hands. The establishment at this point, medicine, our organizations are not gonna do that for us.
We are seeing the trends go in this opposite direction. And it wasn't like this just 10, 20, 30 years ago ago i mean we're not not dying when we're 40 so not all of medicine health care is bad like we have moved in a positive direction in general but then we're seeing chronic disease rates skyrocket and we're seeing things go backwards now and life expectancy going down so we have to find you know where in the middle where is the balance what are the things that we're not doing as well and be a little humble with that and i think that starts at home it starts with the lifestyle it starts with the basic things that we do um like the food that we're eating the toxins that we're exposed to making sure that we're getting sleep i call it the seeds of health those stress environment and toxins so how do you how how do you set up your home and what are some things some practical things that a parent could implement because i know there's a lot of overwhelm.
I actually have quite a few young parents that heavily follow the podcast and follow me. And they're on to folic acid and methylated vitamins for their kids and eating whole foods, trying to get more whole foods into the house and more highly processed foods out of the house what are what are some of your tips and tricks like hey here's the four or five things the basics that you need to do just to make sure that you are covering the basis to raise yeah i think you started with some of them i mean i think food is the biggest key i think i would totally agree with that we have to realize that the vast majority of food even

the best food is still sprayed in all sorts of chemicals and crap and so get the best possible

food that you can as often as you're talking about organic organic whole foods but but locally grown

know where it's grown from because even if you go you have to do the best that you can within

your means i mean i understand that sometimes things can be harder to get and and and more

expensive but ideally you get the best possible food that you can because if you go to even a

Thank you. you have to do the best that you can within your means.
I mean, I understand that sometimes things can be harder to get and, and, and more expensive, but ideally you get the best possible food that you can. Cause if you go to even a good grocery store, think about when it was picked, right? It was picked in some other country shipped across the whole world, uh, sits in there for a few days, you get it, then you eat it a couple of days later.
But if you pick something off of a tree, it lasts for like three days. Right.
So it's obviously sprayed in all sorts of crap of crap even if it's organic so if you can try to plant some things in your garden try to go to farmers markets and get things that are picked do you do that you guys yes we go i mean as much as we can here in los angeles you're growing your own we have some of our own food but we go to places that that we go to the farmer's market and we go to a place that gets things shipped in from from farmer's markets for most of our produce because there's actually there's there's an app i'm gonna i'm gonna try to find it and link it in the show notes now that you just triggered something in my memory that there's an app that will you put in your zip code and it will tell you where the local farmers markets are and if there's an amish farm next to you but it's raw milk finder okay it's it's called raw milk finder um so maybe that that was the one because it's not just finding raw milk it was also which which you guys can you thankfully in california you can you can get you can get raw cheese and raw milk and you can get grass-fed meats and pasture-raised eggs and free-range chicken and line-caught fish and you can you can get a lot of really good foods in the state but um i guess that that i think that's the app that i'm talking about where people can put in their zip code and it shows you local farmers markets um local growers amish farms places where you can actually go and get honey and maple syrup and and milk and cheese and luckily now you can order things like you can order boxes from places that you can have people ship stuff to you yep and use parker Pastures and some of these other services that'll ship to you. So whole foods, locally grown, and what about things like stressors for our kids, screen time, social media, being raised on an iPad? I mean, what are some of your tips and advice for, um, getting kids into an environment where we can take advantage of the neuroplasticity and excite their brains and, and, and really draw out their creativity? Because, you know, what I've been reading a lot lately is that the, the rigid structure of our school system is antithetical to the way that humans, and obviously children are humans, truly learn.
We learn by exploration. We learn by making a mistake.
We go to grab a certain thing. It's got a thorn on it, and it sticks us.
Okay, don't grab that again. We go out and we explore in our world, and we problem solve.
think a lot of that those skills are lacking in such an electronic social media driven very superficial society like so as a pediatrician and i and i'll confess i haven't read the parenting book yet i i will so that i can recommend it to my audience but what are some advice that they can get from this book well i think that's very important what you mentioned with screen time number one for the older kids the average teenager now is on screen seven to nine hours a day right and younger kids are getting on screens more and more and really the biggest issue with screens is what you're not doing so just like you said you're not getting outside you're not exploring you're not in nature you're not around other kids and that is devastating for so many reasons to our health all of the research anything i've ever seen shows that the kids that start school later in other countries they start at seven eight nine they do better academically in the long run we're not meant to sit in a classroom certainly not when you're three or four i understand people have to do it because they need daycare because they're working i get it but that's not the ideal scenario for a kid what they don't need to be learning that much when they're three they just need to be playing and we want them playing outside and moving and not being on screens not to say that you can never be on a screen we all watched a little tv when we were younger that's fine but if you're plopping them in front of a screen all day then what are doing? You can learn from a screen, but every study ever has showed that you don't learn as well from a screen as you do from people. What are maybe some quick tips to reduce stress in our kids? For, I think one of the biggest things is to get off of social media.
Don't let them watch the news all the time and don't let them get on social media until they're older. Minimize the screen time as much as you can uh for them i think that we know at this point pretty clearly that social media is detrimental to our health and thankfully schools are starting to push back and some places are starting to say okay we're not going to have phones in school and all of the data that's come back from that has been really excellent in terms of increasing focus and decreasing stress so i think that is a big one another huge one is just exercise it's not rocket science but our kids don't move anymore and a lot of your stress reduction just comes from moving and moving things through and gaining toxins out and just not thinking about things and having a good time and and we yeah we never had to think about that before people just moved i mean you look at all the blue zones around the world oh They don't do anything magical.
They just work. They just cook.
Or they work in the farm. You see the grandmas working in the kitchen.
They're 95. They've got bigger muscles than me.
And what are they doing? They're just cooking. Yeah, yeah, they're moving.
So we just have to get back to prioritizing that, prioritizing family movement, getting outside, going for walks together, bring that back as a priority. Because our health is not not a priority it hasn't been for a while faster cheaper better became a priority especially in america and now we you know talk about oh it's it's classes to say you want to have healthy food or you know i'm too busy or i don't have enough money like those excuses have to go away we have to say our priority.
And I get it. I understand that sometimes things can be more expensive or you can be busy, but we want to be healthy.
And what we're doing isn't working. If you want one of the two kids have a chronic disease, keep doing what we're doing.
But other than that, we have to change it. And it's not classist to say, I want everyone to have healthy food.
Every kid deserves that. That is something that we should be making happen.
Hopefully we're going to see that change in the country. And that may mean that we have to change some of the rules and the laws and the priorities and where the funding goes.
Fine. But that has to be our priority.
That shouldn't be something that a doctor can't say for fear of getting called ableist or whatever. It's like, look, this is what we have to do.
How we get there, there that's a bigger issue but we just need to make that a priority and if we do then we can have healthier kids and you can have a healthier family but start with your own family because

it's not happening today so i love that we can start with the small changes i love that so um you know i uh first of all this has been amazing i'm, uh, read, uh, read your book. I'm going to delve into the parenting book, even though my kids are, uh, fully adults right now and giving me a lot of grief.
So, uh, but I've done, I, I, I won the lottery on the, you know, on the, on the kid side because they've all turned out to be just incredible adults. They actually inspire me now.
But, um, um, I, I, I wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question. So there's no right or wrong answer to this question.
And that is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? I think it means to live the most vibrant, healthy, happy life that you can live. I love that.
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