131. Russell Brand: EXPOSING the Profit System & Why We're All Getting Sicker

Speaker 1 Most of us, by default, become members of the biggest cult there is: the cult of commodity and consumerism, the cult of bad food and big pharma.

Speaker 1 You're not offered the opportunity unless you're born into a family of people who know what a score is. Unless you're lucky enough to be born in that, the system will turn you into a little commodity.

Speaker 2 The most powerful and most influential institutions now control that segment of the population. We're a lot more sick and diseased and pathological than we really deserve to be.

Speaker 1 If something is geared towards the continual maximization of profit, it will always be corrupting.

Speaker 2 I know you've been very open about your history with addiction, how you solved that path. How is that journey transforming you?

Speaker 1 What the culture is telling me is if you are not famous, if you do not have money, you are not valuable.

Speaker 1 Well, now I might have other pathological reasons for not feeling valuable, and one of the ways I best understand it is through the sort of rubric and lens of addiction.

Speaker 1 Thankfully, I've been educated and now so I'm on a different path to communicate a message of value to the maximum number of people.

Speaker 2 If Russell Brand were to look back on his life, humanity, public policy, what does that look like?

Speaker 1 Sometimes a fractured society, so full of falsehoods and damnation. And yet I have the sense that we're on the precipice of

Speaker 1 Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

Speaker 2 I'm your host, Gary Breca, human biologist, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between. And today's guest is a sure treat.

Speaker 2 We've had an amazing morning here at the house with his kids and his wife and his family. We see eye to eye on so many things.

Speaker 2 He is an incredible comedian, actor, and a wellness, inspirational individual that's just been on a tremendous journey of his own. So welcome to the podcast, Russell Brand.

Speaker 1 Thanks, Gary. I've actually been here eight hours.
So you've accommodated me and, as you say, my family so beautifully. I've had hydro baths.

Speaker 1 I've fallen asleep under some sort of red light sun bed thing. I'm still wearing a weighted vest, even though I'm sitting there.
He is wearing the weighted vest.

Speaker 2 It's branded.

Speaker 1 It's got your name on it. Yeah,

Speaker 2 he took, so he walks into my house. I've known him for, you know, three full minutes.
He goes, what are you wearing? I said, oh, it's a weighted vest.

Speaker 2 I take it off, he puts it on, and I don't think you've taken it off since.

Speaker 1 I'm very happy in that. I took it off in the bath, of course.

Speaker 2 You did take it off in the bath.

Speaker 2 So, he took a bath with his son and one of his friends.

Speaker 2 We've had a whole day of biohacking. He's staying right across the street.
So, this is how we survived the hurricane.

Speaker 2 Turns out we see eye to eye on so many things, and we've had some really inspirational discussions. But, you know, a lot of my podcast guests

Speaker 2 I think are very analogous to you and your journey in that they had a problem in their life, and they solved this problem.

Speaker 2 And through the solution to that problem, they've become these massively impactful figures. And I know you've been very open about your history with addiction and how you solved that path.

Speaker 2 And it turned into Christianity. It turned into a massive voice for mindfulness, for meditation, for spirituality.

Speaker 2 I wonder for, you know, my guests that maybe only know you as an actor, comedian, in your, I'll say, former life, it's still your current life.

Speaker 2 How has that journey transformed you? And how has it put you on this path to be such an advocate for mindfulness and spirituality? And you've almost even become this anti-corruption,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 purveyor of the truth. And I'm very attracted to people like that because you are so purpose and mission driven.

Speaker 2 And the media hasn't been particularly kind to you. Sometimes they're not kind to me.

Speaker 2 And so talk a little bit about this journey from actor, comedian, and addict into the impactful journey that you're on now.

Speaker 1 Gary, I hear you over the course of the day talk a lot about stimuli and response and the response that we

Speaker 1 the conducive response between an external stimulant and whatever inner mechanism is impacted or responds to that stimuli.

Speaker 1 I heard once that in chemistry, if two components are introduced, if they react at all, then both are changed forever.

Speaker 2 I feel like a lot of people...

Speaker 1 It's a truthful statement. Yeah, it's cool, isn't it? But I feel like that

Speaker 1 most of us, but maybe many of your audience, and I know a lot of the various types of audiences that I have had and hopefully have grown and have grown with me over the years, will recognize that

Speaker 1 we interact with the apparently raw material of the culture and wonder how we might fit in with it.

Speaker 1 In fact, there's a a beautiful quote by George Bernard Shaw, the playwright, who says, The reasonable man looks at the world and asks how he might fit in with it.

Speaker 1 The unreasonable man looks at the world and asks how it might fit in with him. I think many of us look at culture and think, what am I supposed to be doing in this culture?

Speaker 1 Now, me, I have a lecker, as you obviously do, and now I understand a little bit about your history and how you've been able to apply your core competency to a variety of different fields. My

Speaker 1 inherent ability appears to be the spontaneous response to new stimuli and communicating new information. Now, I come from a pretty normal background back in England.
I come from a place called Essex.

Speaker 1 If you don't know what Essex is because you're American, it's...

Speaker 2 I've heard of Essex. It's New Jersey, is what it is.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So if you come from a place like that and you're aware of urbanity and cosmopolitanism and then you're aware of fame and celebrity and excitement and all of those things, the culture is telling telling you, I don't know, maybe you're getting a different message, but I feel that what the culture is telling me is if you are not famous, if you do not have money, you are not valuable.

Speaker 1 And actually, at that point, I wasn't famous and I didn't have money, so I didn't feel particularly valuable.

Speaker 1 Now, I might have other pathological reasons for not feeling valuable, and certainly I've explored them at some depth over a variety of conversations with a number of people over the years.

Speaker 1 And one of the ways I best understand it is through the sort of rubric and lens of addiction. Nevertheless, getting famous and becoming a celebrity is pretty exciting.

Speaker 1 People have done it sort of know it. Going from scarcity to abundance is a pretty exciting journey for most people.
But we're all dealing with the palate and the spectrum that we are shown.

Speaker 1 You know, I reflect frequently about how if I had known when I was younger there was a different pathway, I may have taken it. But being a comedian,

Speaker 1 that seemed like a pretty easy fit for me. Being in movies, that seemed like a pretty exciting opportunity for me.

Speaker 1 And the fruits that the culture promises you, worldliness are by their nature exciting and stimulating who doesn't want to be surrounded by nice material things who doesn't want to know what erotica is like when it's abundantly available

Speaker 1 I know that I found those things pretty exciting but luckily God made me a terrible terrible drug addict so like because when I was pretty young I was addicted to crack and heroin in my 20s say I learned that the only way to I was shown I was shown I did not work this out I remember someone taught me earlier today in English we say I speak English that's how we say that statement in Hindi the equivalent is Hindi comes to me and I have started to recognize that most of the things that I have in my life one way or another have come to me whether they are hard painful agonizing lessons or great and abundant gifts even the pleasure of today I ran into a

Speaker 1 brilliant British cardiologist doctor and activist whose film first do no farm is a excellent

Speaker 2 I had a podcast with him yesterday. I recommend everybody look, everybody watch that.
What a great guy he is.

Speaker 2 Do no farm.

Speaker 1 So because I trust the Lord, I run into him in the hotel lobby. He's like, oh, Russell, are you here to see Gary Brecker? And I'm, I am now.

Speaker 1 And like, you know, because he was generous of spirit, this is good. He didn't sort of like try to keep you behind a little paywall.

Speaker 1 Like he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, Gary, you know, do you want me to connect to you?

Speaker 1 I was like, yeah, i do and then like i message you you message me back in fact i mean max i don't know how to do your job you're obviously brilliant but you could drop in some of the videos we should show the videos that we exchanged because they were absolutely hilarious pretty funny exchange and then within a few hours because i trust the lord when you say to me come here i come here and bring the kids bring the door come here they're playing with your family members i'm having a great time with my wife my buddy's here with me and I feel like I'm happy and in the flow of things.

Speaker 1 Somehow before I was corrupted by some malign flow towards the culture, I'm not saying there aren't marvelous people in the culture.

Speaker 1 I worked with amazing people in Hollywood, brilliant, intelligent, creative, wonderful people.

Speaker 1 But those institutions, those corporatized, centralized institutions, as you described earlier in the day, and I won't be specific in case it's not something you want to be publicly known, but if something is geared towards the continual maximization of profit, it will always be corrupting.

Speaker 1 What industry

Speaker 1 at the top co-level isn't geared towards the maximization of profit. Hospitality, big pharma, big food.

Speaker 2 Look at all of them.

Speaker 1 They're all geared towards the maximization of profit.

Speaker 1 Throughout, therefore, like at an institutional level, money is being saved, products are being made addictive.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about food now and the brilliant work of Bobby Kennedy and Callie and Casey Means. So now, me, I don't want to just do work

Speaker 1 where I appear in films unless them films have a really, really amazing message.

Speaker 1 And I can't imagine that they would have, although I would like to sort of, there's a lot of things I'm learning about at the moment around Christianity and stuff.

Speaker 1 And I'd love to make some movies around those things.

Speaker 1 and I'm talking to people about those things but now what I've realized funny enough going around the block with the gift of addiction with the gift of trauma with the great gift of my disadvantages the gift of coming from where I come from having the afflictions that I have now I'm on a pathway where I'm much happy I wish I'd been happier I wish I'd been set off in this half pathway in the first place you know like Gary with Dalai Lamas and that you know I know that Dalai Lamas is not a massive category you can only have one at a time but all different types of you only have one at a time this is this is true you don't want llama rap battles, but with like llama hierarchies, you know, like they in Tibet, they go around and they

Speaker 1 have a little poke around, see kids that are looking a bit off-key, like that kid's probably a llama, show him a walking stick, show him a bowl of hat from yesterye, do a little ceremony.

Speaker 1 If it turns out he's a reincarnated llama, you're coming to the monastery, son.

Speaker 1 Now, in our culture, where we don't believe in reincarnation, I believe in eternal life as a follower of Jesus Christ, like most of us by default, become members of the biggest cult there is, the cult of commodity and consumerism, the cult of bad food and big pharma.

Speaker 1 That's the cult, the glistening and shimmering cult of Mammon. We're all indoctrinated into that cult.

Speaker 1 You're not offered the opportunity unless you're born into a religious community or have the privilege of being born into a family of people who know what the score is.

Speaker 1 And like, we're not giving you our kids that food. We're not giving our kids those medications.
We're not letting our kids watch those kind of shows.

Speaker 1 We're not letting our kids go to those type of schools. Unless you're lucky enough to be born in that, the system will turn you into a lot of commodity.

Speaker 2 So now

Speaker 1 thankfully, Lord, I've been educated and now so I'm on a sort of a different path where I hopefully can learn the skill set gifted to me by

Speaker 1 a variety of experiences to communicate a message of value to the maximum number of people. And thankfully, I don't even have to take care of it anymore because you'll be in charge of that bit.

Speaker 2 I'm going to relax.

Speaker 2 But, you know, and you know, we talked about messaging to the masses and we talked about, you know, sort of just the state of the world and society and how we got here and got so divided and

Speaker 2 how we got so upside down with,

Speaker 2 the corruption in our

Speaker 2 political systems and our food systems and

Speaker 2 our industry of

Speaker 2 pharmaceuticals and disease. But turning this somehow into a message of hope

Speaker 2 is, I think, the greatest gift.

Speaker 2 And we talked about that a lot today in the eight hours that we spent together. And you had really some incredible kernels of wisdom.

Speaker 2 And I wonder if you might talk about what your message is to the masses now. I mean, you do talk a lot about mindfulness, a lot about spirituality.

Speaker 2 You talk about the impact that Christianity's had on you. And you're, you know, you've, you, you, you found Jesus or he found you, and, um, you now subscribe to that lifestyle.

Speaker 2 And, and so how has that changed your message? And what is your message to humanity now?

Speaker 2 I mean, if, if, if Russell Brand were to look back on his life 25, 30, 40 years from today and say, I accomplished my mission.

Speaker 2 I have this vision in my mind of where I would like to see humanity, public policy, you know, and

Speaker 2 what does that look like? What does your utopian world look like?

Speaker 1 Isn't it strange, Gary, that it seems so bleak at the moment sometimes, a fractured society, so full of falsehoods, persecution, condemnation, war, toxicity, and damnation.

Speaker 1 And yet, I have the sense that we're on the precipice of something quite incredible, just because I get to speak to amazing individuals quite frequently.

Speaker 1 Now, say if people have a vision of changing just one area, let's take the area of food.

Speaker 1 If someone is an expert in nutrition and has a vision for how to alter food, in particular, ensure that people have access to good nutrition.

Speaker 1 Say if that person who knows how to spread a message around nutrition well were to work with people that have political influence, a few examples like Callie Means or Bobby Kennedy who's interested interested in this subject.

Speaker 1 I'm beginning to see that there's sort of an emergent corpus,

Speaker 1 and the cartilage between the parts of this emergent

Speaker 1 new anatomy can be animated by a certain type of spirit. Now,

Speaker 1 you asked me this question, particularly in relationship to having become Christian, having been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And I love it because, you know, we, everything.
I do too.

Speaker 1 Thanks, man. I praise Jesus.
Everything you do these days

Speaker 1 is like criticized and condemned.

Speaker 1 Of course, people see me as a famous person getting baptized and I love to watch like the kind of propaganda done by, I suppose they're establishment supporting podcasts, but they think somehow that they're doing something vanguard and important.

Speaker 1 But no, they are supporting the interests of the powerful. They're the same kind of people that would get Pfizer tattooed on them during the pandemic period.

Speaker 1 Forgetting for a moment the big pharma, we've always known those were the baddies. We've always known that during the opioid crisis.

Speaker 1 We've always known when there are peculiar out-of-court settlements with Johnson and Johnson over their baby powder or 300

Speaker 1 billions of dollars are spent on out-of-court settlements by the pharmaceutical industry. That's an indicator and that we all know how the FDA is run and how the CDC is run and how the NIH is run.

Speaker 1 We know and have known for some time these people are not the good guys. And if you find yourself advocating for their perspective, you are on the wrong side.

Speaker 1 Now, I mentioned this in relationship to Christianity for this simple reason. Having become a Christian, when I'm on point, I'm only talking to an audience of one at all times.

Speaker 1 I'm talking to Jesus Christ. I'm talking only to Jesus Christ.
And at best, it's Jesus Christ talking to Jesus Christ. I'm not making any claim.

Speaker 1 Of course, that would be ludicrous and absurd that I am Jesus Christ. I'm saying like in Galatians.

Speaker 2 You kind of look like him. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Listen, since becoming Christian, I've been willing to make this change. I've gone from wanting to be Jesus to wanting to be St.
Paul. I'm not going any lower than that.

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Speaker 2 You know, it's funny. I don't really share the story publicly, but

Speaker 2 I was, I was actually saved almost 25, 30 years ago. It's 1994, I think, whatever that makes that.

Speaker 2 My lawyer at the time hoodwinked me into going to a rally

Speaker 2 called Promise Keepers, and it was like a Christian men's rally. And he never told me that it was a Christian men's rally, or I probably wouldn't have gone.
And

Speaker 2 there was a, it was in Soldier Field, 70,000 Christian men in Soldier Field, and everybody joined hands and began to recite the Lord's Prayer. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I was raised Roman Catholic, but got very far away from the church. And I hope that I don't politicize this or, you know, offend my audience because it's just my own personal journey.

Speaker 2 But my, you know, my parents were very religious. My dad was a Navy captain.
My mom, mother worked for the airlines growing up. We had a little church in our town in Lothian.

Speaker 2 But half the church was in Latin. And, you know, if you know anything about Roman Catholics, like they're very, very...
traditional, very ritualistic.

Speaker 2 Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, kneel, peace be with you, ring the bell, incense, go to communion, sit back down. I had no identity with the church.

Speaker 2 I didn't feel like I identified with the church. And so when I got into college, I got pretty much as far away from the church as I could.

Speaker 2 But this Christian men's rally, this

Speaker 2 brought me back

Speaker 2 into a religious perspective. I actually accepted Jesus that day.
I went down to the stage.

Speaker 2 And I think there's...

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 to this day, I don't know. I was holding hands with all of these men in this in soldier field, and everybody started to recite recite the Lord's Prayer and I started bawling.

Speaker 2 I just started crying and I didn't know why I was crying. And I looked around and there were all these other men crying.
And in my mind, I said to myself, 70,000 men cannot be wrong.

Speaker 2 There's 70,000 people in this stadium. And

Speaker 2 they have no agenda. And the pastor was calling people down to the stage.
And I just felt so compelled.

Speaker 2 I didn't know why I was doing it. I went down there and gave my life to Christ.
And I think that very often, and I, you know, I don't push that on people.

Speaker 2 I don't judge people for having, you know, a different religious motif. And I didn't intend for this podcast to become, you know, about religion.

Speaker 2 But I think so often I had looked at religion as being very confining.

Speaker 2 And all of the parameters that would be put on you once you became a quote unquote religious person or you became a Christian or you chose whatever religious past you have, it's actually very liberating.

Speaker 2 Yeah. For me, Christianity especially, because you just lay your problems at the foot of the cross.
You can have a direct relationship with Jesus.

Speaker 2 You know, you don't need an institutional framework, you know, which I think a lot of people go, look at me, I go to church every Sunday and, you know, I've given in the offering or, you know, I've donated to this philanthropy.

Speaker 2 And I don't believe that you need that to have a godly relationship, you know, with

Speaker 2 Christ. And that's been.

Speaker 2 very

Speaker 2 fulfilling for me. And I'm a very imperfect person.
I mean, I've been divorced. I've been bankrupt.
You know, I've been in in litigation. I'm an imperfect person.

Speaker 2 But I think that what Christianity has allowed me to do is be that imperfect person, recognize it, ask for forgiveness, ask for, you know, ask God to keep me on his path. And

Speaker 2 I find it as an enormous sense of strength. And I think people that

Speaker 2 do not have faith or religion, which is fine for them, look at people that are religious and think that they are condemning them or they're constantly judging them.

Speaker 2 And it's actually the polar opposite, right? I don't think less of you because you don't have the same religious path that I do.

Speaker 2 But if you have something that's missing in your life, very often

Speaker 2 it's a spiritual relationship.

Speaker 2 You know, we are spiritual beings. Frequency matters in the human body.
Faith is all about delayed gratification.

Speaker 2 You know, we know that we're headed to a better place.

Speaker 2 And when you don't even fear dying, you don't fear much else.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I think that's why Christianity is getting a real hard time because you don't work.

Speaker 1 In the same way as you talk quite a lot, mate, about it's beneficial to powerful institutions to have a population that's sort of high, maybe on illicit substances, dumbed down, probably on SRIs.

Speaker 1 ill and sick from bad food and bad pharma, hardly in a position to start standing up and opposing systems of corruption.

Speaker 1 Similarly, on the spiritual plane, if people begin to believe that all of us are fallen, all of us are sinners, all of us are forgiven, and not by through some act of merit that we have undertaken ourselves by becoming good or powerful or something, but because of the sacrifice that He made for us, and we enjoy eternal life, not for something that because of something that we have done, but because of something that He has done for us, that He was sacrificed, that we may be born again.

Speaker 1 Now, this idea, when undertaken rationally, with my pinnickety-fiddly little chopsticks of rationalism poking around

Speaker 1 on the level of rationalism, some molecular scrutiny carried out there on the petri dish of reality.

Speaker 1 It don't make no sense to me. But I can know the peace that passeth all understanding by surrendering my ability to understand.
And I can know and feel his wisdom.

Speaker 1 And that thing that you described among them 70,000 men taking the oath there among a brotherhood, I've had experiences like that. In fact, I can feel it.
I can feel him with me when I yield.

Speaker 1 And we don't choose whether or not we worship. We choose who we worship.

Speaker 1 Either we choose to worship the highest principle, which in my case is Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, or we worship carnality, the flesh, or we worship civilization and culture, worldliness, or we worship the diseases of the mind, the devil, mental infection, distraction, self-obsession, circuitous, circular, endless, fractal dances inwardly, following the false Luciferian light that's blasted at you continuously, day and night in this neon world by satanic forces.

Speaker 1 And you ain't got strong enough. I ain't strong enough to overcome those things on my own.
But through him, there is a new power.

Speaker 1 No wonder the culture wants you to think that stuff is dumb and boring or sexist or homophobic or something. But I've spoken to a lot of Christians now and they say, we're all sinners.

Speaker 1 I've got no judgment on anybody. It's the first decree.
No business judging anybody else. Sometimes I do judge other people, not as a Christian, though, because I'm a fallen man myself.

Speaker 1 And the proclamation is this, that it is a kingdom for sinners. It's a kingdom for those of us that are fallen.

Speaker 1 And the reason they don't want you Christian is not because they care about sexism or they care about homophobia or any of that stuff.

Speaker 1 They don't want you Christian because they don't want you waking up and opposing them and knowing that you're part of an eternal kingdom and their material and passing world is of no value.

Speaker 1 And when people start realizing that, when people start becoming willing to sacrifice themselves for a higher principle, they're going to have a real struggle on their hands.

Speaker 1 Rather than choosing which of the two parties runs the country for the next four years,

Speaker 1 you'll be dealing with an empowered nation of people that are surrendered, but somehow empowered through surrender. They don't need that.

Speaker 1 They don't want it from a nutritional perspective, and they don't want it from a spiritual perspective. And it's our job, in answer to your question, to deliver the possibility of that.

Speaker 1 And for me, I'll just try and do it as an individual as best I can and hope that that somehow acts as a contagion among all of us because on my own, I can't do it. I need continual support.

Speaker 1 I'm vulnerable and I'm weak, but in my weakness is his strength.

Speaker 2 You know, and we talked about not how do we turn the world into Christians, but

Speaker 2 how do we actually fundamentally make a change?

Speaker 2 Because I think no matter what side of the aisle people are on or where their beliefs fall, I think everybody would agree that we're a lot more polarized than we need to be.

Speaker 2 And I don't think anybody can pinpoint exactly what it is. And I think, secondly, you know, we're a lot more sick and diseased and pathological than we really deserve to be.

Speaker 2 And we have a pandemic of of chronic disease, and we have a pandemic of mental illness. We have a pandemic of childhood obesity, of childhood cancer, of childhood sickness.

Speaker 2 And when you see that there's an industry that is there profiting from disease and pathology and sickness and chronic illness so that people suffer over a prolonged period of time, they don't die early, they suffer over a prolonged period of time.

Speaker 2 There seems to be a way that we can bring society together under the common theme that nobody wants more sick children. Nobody wants a poor quality food supply.
Nobody wants

Speaker 2 an increased amount of highly processed and engineered foods that are not even foods in our diet. But

Speaker 2 we've developed a society where the wealthiest and most powerful and most influential institutions

Speaker 2 now control that segment of the population.

Speaker 2 Like I worry about our soil health and I worry about the quality of our water and I worry about the fact that the majority of Americans don't even eat whole foods.

Speaker 2 65, 70% of their diets is highly processed foods, engineered foods that are and

Speaker 2 people refer to it as fear-mongering, but I'm not trying to fear-monger. I'm actually trying to help you get around the system so you can get back to just,

Speaker 2 you know, basic nutritional foods. Like, you know, when we, when we were eating here, you know, all day, we've had.
raw dairy and grass-fed meats.

Speaker 2 And by the way, he's eating meat now, thanks to Paul Saladino.

Speaker 2 shout out to paul saladino and bear grills yeah and bear grills so bear grills you get you you get a zero shout out to so you know one of the things we talked about is how do we how do we shift back to make popular the

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 you know the

Speaker 2 whole food diets and and exercise and and prayer to whatever god you pray to or mindfulness um and awareness and breath work like how do how do we make that kind of shift to society, especially in the masses?

Speaker 2 Oh, well, this is what I think.

Speaker 1 Now, you know, a minute ago, you said, like, that you want people to suffer from chronic illness because chronic means time and time means money.

Speaker 1 And if people are sick their whole lives, then you've got a customer for life.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, you know, that reminds me of something that the very brilliant hero, Julian Assange, said.
The aim is not to win the Afghanistan war, he says. The aim is to perpetuate the Afghanistan war.

Speaker 1 The Afghanistan war cost America $2 trillion. That $2 trillion is your $2 trillion.
If you're a taxpayer in America, that's your money. It's not the government's money.

Speaker 1 The government doesn't make money. They haven't got an ice cream stand out the back.
It's your money. And as you know,

Speaker 1 the $14 trillion that they've spent since the Iraq war, 70%,

Speaker 1 between 55 and 70%, of that went to military industrial complex companies, Rabbi and New York.

Speaker 2 Military industrial complex companies, I don't think most people understand what you mean.

Speaker 2 I think most people's interpretation of, and certainly my myopic view, because I don't profess to know much about

Speaker 2 how spending goes in foreign wars, is that

Speaker 2 we're sending this money to a foreign country to fight their own battle, but you're saying that we're actually sending this back to ourselves to fund our bottle.

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Speaker 1 Well, as I understand and the information I have comes from men that know a lot more than me.

Speaker 1 For example, men like Jeffrey Sachs or John Mearsheimer or Cali Means, people that understand how the deep state and military industrial complex work.

Speaker 1 Most of the Pentagon's money, over 50%,

Speaker 1 between 55 and 70%,

Speaker 1 of the defence budget, goes to companies like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Boeing. Those are others, but those are some of the biggest.

Speaker 1 So, when money's going, say, to Ukraine, meaning there's not enough money for hurricane relief in Florida or fire relief in Hawaii, that money isn't going to sort of like buy blankets, like nutritional food.

Speaker 1 It's going to buy missiles and weapons. And increasingly, these agitating armaments are being used in ways that are likely more debilitating to the fragile world peace that hangs upon those conflicts.

Speaker 1 Now, whichever particular conflict you're talking about or we're discussing, my view is that America and NATO, if you're going to have a NATO, America should use its power on the global stage, which is obviously still significant and supreme yet.

Speaker 1 in order to bring about diplomatic solutions in any conflict that they are peripherally or emotionally or ideologically involved, not to permit perpetuate the crisis because the on the perpetuation of the crisis leads to loss of life on all sides of the conflict and as well seemingly as a tangent or byproduct does increase the profit margins of Lockheed Martin and Norfolk Grumman etc who spend a lot of money lobbying spend a lot of money donating and a significant number of people in your institutions of legislation and government owned stocks and shares in those organizations which in itself should be banned so what I believe in is institutional change change.

Speaker 1 And when you sort of talk about, as you just did, mate, like making nutritional change, it ain't no small thing to tell people to start eating well and to start eating healthy, because there's a lot of things that have got to get bypassed.

Speaker 1 Bobby Kennedy taught me about how food stamps in this country can be significantly spent on dumb, sugary drinks that aren't very good for people.

Speaker 1 And you don't have to talk about like, you know, I've been listening to you. All day when I've not been talking myself, but you've done the most of the talking.

Speaker 2 It's your house.

Speaker 1 It's your expertise. You've done the same thing.

Speaker 2 I've been heavy in your face today. I definitely have.

Speaker 1 It's been a lot of language, but there's been, I mean, it's been amazing, and

Speaker 1 there's been some strong downloads. But

Speaker 1 what I learned, even probably the first 20 minutes that we were chatting, is that things that I've learned, please remember these names and please consider having them on your podcast if you can.

Speaker 1 People that I have learned from, like Helena Norboyer Kodge, who since the 1970s has been campaigning for what she would call localism, that we should be in food grown

Speaker 1 and reared where in the environment that is grown and reared.

Speaker 1 Or Vandana Shiva who speaks continually about the impact of Bill Gates's interference which she says is worse than Monsanto's on Indian farming and farming across Africa and how we that seeds are sacred that life is sacred and by pattern in a seed you turn it into information and they want to turn everything into information because then you can pattern and own information then you can centralize it you can control it and we human beings we don't matter to them so you can't sort of even like talking about poor people being being able to afford good steak or good vegetables or good fish or whatever they want to eat because it's their business after all for poor people to afford that stuff the entire economic system and big food system is going to have to be radically altered that cannot be altered because government is owned by those interest lobbyists and donor class so you have to change government and you don't really get many opportunities to change government in ways that would meaningfully impact that because those companies guess what they worked out if they fund both parties whichever party wins, they're still in charge.

Speaker 1 Except anomalously and peculiarly, anachronistically and peculiarly, once every generation or so, some weird cadre of characters will turn up like Bobby Kennedy, Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, and you might get a shot.

Speaker 1 And whether or not you believe in all those people or none of those people, what you have to recognize is they represent berserker havoc in institutional systems that operate at the global level, macro-wise, and at the deep state level, nationally, to create a kind of polarized magnetism that prevents electoral democracy or true representative republicanism ever taking place.

Speaker 1 And the only way to disrupt it at the moment, I would say, is by thinking very carefully what you do with your vote in the forthcoming election in this country and in other countries as well.

Speaker 1 We have to learn to recognize worldliness as globalism, the devotion to the world, the replacing of divine, holy, sacred power with material, rational power.

Speaker 1 Once you annihilate the God principle, once you take Jesus Christ out of the picture, then you can say, well, we're God now. We're God with all of our information and with all of our data.

Speaker 1 And what do they do with that information and data?

Speaker 1 Data, of course, can be used brilliantly and magnificently to create excellence and wellness and health, but data can also be used to create control.

Speaker 1 And that's what these big tech companies have become very adept at doing. And the outlier...

Speaker 1 big tech companies that refuse to play that game whether that's Rumble the platform that I'm on or X that is owned by Elon Musk or TikTok because it's a foreign national company.

Speaker 1 If they don't play ball, they get penalized and controlled. There is no virtue or principle under censorship.
We want to protect people from hate speech. What is hate speech? Keep it vague.

Speaker 1 Then it's whatever speech we want to control is hate speech. So this is a point, I suppose, where we first have to recognize that the threat is not one political party versus another political party.

Speaker 1 It's globalism versus nationalism.

Speaker 1 Now, is there a type of nationalism that might be exclusive, might include all people, might include various cultures with respect for the, let's call it, dominant culture of whatever that country is, say France or America or England or Senegal or whatever, it doesn't actually matter.

Speaker 1 The principle is localizing power to the lowest level, localizing food to the lowest level, localizing forms of communication to the lowest level, not what's happening and what we saw in the pandemic, centralizing power to the highest level.

Speaker 1 WF, WHO, IMF, World Bank, NATO, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, although Melinda dropped out for some reason. Too many plane trips, baby.

Speaker 2 So what we have to watch for is that level of corruption.

Speaker 1 We have to watch out for global corruption and we have to oppose it. First with individual sovereignty, that means the power to surrender to the highest principle, not the power to dominate.

Speaker 1 And we have to collectively communicate so we can create new alliances. I'm sure you work with people that you don't agree with on everything.
So do I, because we've got something serious to oppose.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And it's not that I'm trying to oppose anything.
Mine, my, my message, hopefully, is one, one of hope, you know, that, um, you know, people don't need to be dogmatic about dieting.

Speaker 2 They need to be eating whole foods. People don't need to have fancy equipment in gyms.
They need to just be moving their bodies more.

Speaker 2 They need to actually take their health and wellness into their own hands, start filtering their water, start actually reading labels, start trying to circumvent the system themselves.

Speaker 2 Because I think if,

Speaker 2 you know, not telling people particularly how to vote or how to think, but if we actually give them the skills so that they can enter an average supermarket, you know, the average family doesn't even know how to spin a box of crackers around and tell whether or not it's nutritious or not.

Speaker 2 And mothers and fathers are doing the right thing in their mind by feeding their children ultra-processed foods, because the truth is there's a lot of research that is imparted by our public policy institutions that would say that there's no harm for

Speaker 2 these foods. Things that are fortified, things that are rich, things that are colored, things that are artificially sweetened, artificially flavored.

Speaker 2 Um, you know, the there's there are these big announcements. I see them in mainstream periodicals that

Speaker 2 there's really no evidence to say that highly processed foods have a negative impact on health. So, we're, you know, we're still investigating it.
But, you know, right now,

Speaker 2 Lucky Charms is more nutritious than grass-fit steak. And I just think that's, it's, it's such nonsense.

Speaker 2 You know, the, the, the real research that I see in the, in the longevity, the anti-aging, the biohacking space that I think is really profound for humanity is getting us back to the basics.

Speaker 2 It's like sunlight, breathwork, grounding, cold showers, exercise, mobility, sense of community, sense of purpose, whole foods.

Speaker 2 And people think that when you're trying to back them up to how we did things 50, 60, 80 years ago, that you're also trying to back up

Speaker 2 how we thought during that time. You're like, well,

Speaker 2 that was a time where society was a lot more divided.

Speaker 2 So we don't want to go back to that time, but you actually do want to go back to how our ancestors ate and how they exposed themselves to the sun and how in touch with nature they were and how they had actually deep, meaningful relationships that weren't like turned over to social media to be, you know, very

Speaker 2 fake and superficial. And,

Speaker 2 you know, Bobby Kennedy talks about how when he graduated from high school, and this actually hit me too, because I graduated high school in 1988. So there you go.
I've just dated myself.

Speaker 2 And when I graduated high school,

Speaker 2 I didn't know a single person that was autistic.

Speaker 2 I still can't think. I didn't even know somebody who knew somebody that was autistic.

Speaker 2 My 16-year-old stepdaughter,

Speaker 2 Sage's daughter, knows 10 friends that have autism and knows 15 other families that have autistic children. And so you've seen autism go from one in 5,000 to 1 in 32.

Speaker 2 And that was the last time we had statistics, probably

Speaker 2 much worse now. And you got to ask yourself, what is causing this? Right?

Speaker 2 How

Speaker 2 in the most civilized nation in the world, with the access to health care we have, with $4.5 trillion a year being spent on health care, how are we becoming so sick, so diseased, so pathological?

Speaker 2 And why are our children having to deal with mental illness at such a young age?

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so you bring in

Speaker 2 an angle of mindfulness, meditation. You know, I hear you talk about this all the time.
And what are some of the practices that

Speaker 2 you engage in on a daily basis that keep you grounded and centered, you know, while the media is assailing you?

Speaker 2 And how do you stay focused on the mission? And how do you, what practices do you engage in that everybody else could engage in to be more mindful?

Speaker 1 I've been trying to learn about what you said there about the anthropology, about how the breath work and the exposure to light and the reverence for our indigenous condition is a significant portion of our wellness dispensed with.

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Speaker 1 Why do you think that is, Gary? Why do you think that if we approximate

Speaker 1 conditions for which we lived in for millions or hundreds of thousands, or depends what version you believe? Certainly for a long time, we lived more harmoniously with nature.

Speaker 1 Why do you think that has such obvious health benefits when it comes to nutrition? And because nutrition is so measurable, I wonder if there are correlatives beyond nutrition.

Speaker 1 You've already indicated light, and I suppose that's a form of nutrition, and breath, I suppose that's the ultimate form of nutrition.

Speaker 1 But if we are rewarded, I mean, if you take sort of an evolutionary and biological perspective, the idea would be that we evolved harmoniously with these sources and stimuli, so we are in a symbiotic relationship with nature.

Speaker 1 We are

Speaker 1 not part of nature.

Speaker 2 No doubt that we are. I mean, in a teaspoon of soil, there are more organisms than there are people on the surface of the earth.

Speaker 2 I mean, so what you have is you have these, and I feel like we just switched from you interviewing you to you interviewing me, but I want to answer your question.

Speaker 2 but the you know you take a teaspoon of soil you realize how many microorganisms are in that soil there's an entire ecosystem in that soil and it's there for a reason it was designed it's a it's an unbelievably beautiful design this ecosystem and this ecosystem gives rise um to soil nutrition, which gives rise to you know grasses and plants.

Speaker 2 And in many cases, we eat those plants. In many cases, animals eat those plants.
And they eat this diverse ecosystem of bacteria and bugs and fungi and

Speaker 2 cellulose and all of these different compounds that gets into their bodies and then those move up the food chain and we consume those.

Speaker 2 And so this ecosystem from the soil to the human being is a very important lineage. And as you destroy the soil,

Speaker 2 you essentially destroy the human being.

Speaker 2 It's like an assembly line, right? You put a part on it at one end and it's getting assembled while it's working its way to the other end. Well,

Speaker 2 if you destroy it at the beginning of the assembly line, then the part's never fully assembled. So, this is the same with the ecosystem of soil and plants and animals.
And,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 there is a way for us to make farming regenerative. There's a way for us to restore the

Speaker 2 health of our soil. And

Speaker 2 so, I guess the point that I'm trying to make is

Speaker 2 that in an industrialized society where the idea is volume and profit and not nutrition,

Speaker 2 what we've done is we've either intentionally or non-intentionally ended up poisoning the masses and creating a pandemic of chronic disease that is now so catastrophic that it could actually collapse the most economically powerful nation in the world.

Speaker 2 So we're becoming victims of our own, you know, the you reap what you sow.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I think that it, you know, when I get back in touch with nature personally, and I post about this all the time, I throw my own self under the bus all the time.

Speaker 2 Like, geez, guys, I put on a 20-pound ruck vest and went for a four-mile walk in the woods.

Speaker 2 I feel better than I do getting out of a hydrogen bath, out of a $120,000 red light bed or using my fancy PMF mat or sleeping in my EMF tent. I feel amazing, just that connection to nature.

Speaker 2 And if you go back and look at physiologically, what we get from nature, we get magnetism from the earth, we get oxygen from the air, we get light from the sun.

Speaker 2 The further that we get from those basics, magnetism, oxygen, and light, the sicker we become. And I feel like aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort.
You know, people

Speaker 2 are pursuing comfort so aggressively that we actually accelerate our aging, right? Most people don't like to lift heavyweight. Most people don't like to expose themselves to cold water.

Speaker 2 Most people don't go outside because it's too hot. They don't go outside because it's too cold.
They eat at the first pang of hunger. They want everything to be immediately, instantly satisfied.

Speaker 2 We control our lighting. We control our temperature.
And

Speaker 2 we're just not exposing ourselves to the hormetic stresses that strengthen us.

Speaker 1 The only thing that I would query is whether or not that's taking place at the level of the individual or the level of an entire culture, given that we've spent much of this conversation.

Speaker 2 There's nobody at the top just pulling the strings, you know, designing this because it's really

Speaker 2 sick.

Speaker 1 It's pretty sickening designers. It's to eat bad food, to make people take bad drugs, to make people live sedentary lifestyles.
Oh, that's me, that's telling me that I have to get back to my children.

Speaker 2 So, okay, so

Speaker 2 we can hurry this up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but

Speaker 1 what I want to say is that, of course, it's being centrally organized. What is monopolisation?

Speaker 1 Why do we put the prefix big in front of farmer and in front of food and in front of agriculture? Because it is essentially controlled.

Speaker 1 So, whilst at the individual level, we might have become, as I once heard the phrase, prisoners of comfort, that's been indoctrinated and institutionalized at a cultural level.

Speaker 1 Most people would prefer to eat healthy, delicious food if it was

Speaker 1 affordable by breaking down these massive goliath, tyrannical systems that are dominating and controlling our culture using our political parties as the marionettes when they pull a string those things twitch that's what can only be opposed if people are galvanized and purpose-driven now you asked me a minute ago about my daily routine I believe in the things I think but with a sort of a much level lower lower level of understanding that you believe in I do my like I wake up and if I'm at home and I have access to it I do a cold plunge then I spend some time in the sauna where I do the holy rosary then I read scripture every day and and some other readings I pray on my knees for a while and I pray for anyone that I can think of that is suffering and needs help and I worship and I praise God and I do a gratitude list every day for the many many things I've been grateful for for the previous day because I like to try and get into that grateful mindset yes right at the beginning of the day then I try to watch myself and whether or not I'm doing things for other people or whether I've drifted back into just seeing the whole world about being what I want the whole time I drift back into that pretty easily it's quite easy to slide back into that kind of mad solips.

Speaker 1 It's easily done. So I try and have routines that do that.
Now, like, I've been sort of traveling at the moment. I'm in your country in this hurricane world, in this hurricane election.

Speaker 1 But, like, I like to do Brazilian jiu-jitsu. I like to do yoga, although I've not done yoga for a while.
I'd love to do some more.

Speaker 1 At the moment, I'm eating meat, which I've not done for a long, long time, and I can feel it's constitutionally changing me.

Speaker 1 Some friends of mine, you know, I was like like vegetarian for when I was 13. I've been vegan for about five years.
Some of my friends said, it's them or you, Russell. It's them or you.

Speaker 1 The animals that I was in a time of rebuilding. So I've undergone a lot of radical change.
Most of all, though, becoming Christian has given me a focus that it isn't me at the center of the universe.

Speaker 1 And I'm relieved with that. Even if you hate yourself, you can put yourself at the center of the universe.

Speaker 1 I think even people that are full of self-pity, full of self-loathing, despair and suicidal, they might be the people that are most at the center of their universe, that would most benefit from the presence of an all-loving, real creator, risen now as he was risen then.

Speaker 1 I think it's the sort of the greatest advance in, it's greater than the advance of the iPhone, it's greater than the advance of the internet, an omniscient, omnipresent Holy Spirit ever present in relationship with you right now.

Speaker 1 What could be better than that? So like having all of these things bought together, it's

Speaker 1 nothing has made me more myself than surrendering to those things.

Speaker 1 And since I've been in your country on this trip, I feel purpose-driven and I feel directed and i can i can feel it yeah it's unfolding i know i don't have to do anything the only thing i've i've recognized now the only power i've ever had is the power to make things worse

Speaker 2 well russell i know you got to go and get with your kids so um you know i i end every podcast by asking all my guests the same question and that is what do you what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human

Speaker 1 all right to be an ultimate the ultimate human is

Speaker 1 The ultimate human is Jesus Christ. The ultimate human, to be the ultimate human myself, what it means is get out of the way, Russell.

Speaker 1 Now, to get Russell out of the way, like you, I do have to undertake a lot of rituals that could easily be misinterpreted as a kind of selfishness.

Speaker 1 But the simple fact is, I'm lucky that I, blessed, that I do not function unless I get up and expose myself to cold water, expose myself to scripture, expose myself to breath and meditation, expose myself to the company of other people just like me that one day at a time do not drink or take drugs.

Speaker 1 I need regular contacts with the vulnerable and the fallen to remind myself of my purpose. So the ultimate human being is Jesus Christ, fully human, fully God.

Speaker 1 The ultimate human, the ultimate version of Russell is the Russell that fully accepts that there's no point in a Russell that is his own God. There's no point in any of us being our own gods.

Speaker 1 When your purpose is the myopic pursuit of self-fulfillment, you're a closed off little loop.

Speaker 1 I'm sure all of us know powerful billionaires, incredible politicians that are caught up in that circuitous little loop. They're locked off, they're lifed off, they may as well be in a prison cell.

Speaker 1 But if you are connected to the whole, to the sort of mycelium network of the ulterior reality with him at the center, then you are a force of great power.

Speaker 1 So, the ultimate human is whatever rituals you undertake, whatever ceremonies, whatever nutrition you imbibe, is the human being that is willing to accept the highest call of all.

Speaker 2 That was a good one.

Speaker 2 So, um russell i doubt i i i hope that we can have you back again um you know i think we're just back in the morning he's on you're only 150 yards away i liked it

Speaker 2 i was going gary like that i'm gonna run he was literally shouting from downstairs screaming up to my balcony gary

Speaker 1 i wanted to get up here i knew there was stuff up here that i wanted yeah it's a very it's a very special place yeah because i don't normally imagine like that you would get a special place that would be so fly like normally special places like would be sort of like it'll be some rickety little place.

Speaker 1 But what this is, I would say, is it's the biohacking Willy Wonka's chocolate factory where you are taken on a world of pure imagination.

Speaker 1 And every wall, this will add, this microbe will add 10 years to your life.

Speaker 2 Why don't you lick that wallpaper?

Speaker 1 It'll advance your consciousness by 5%.

Speaker 1 Drink this water. It's got special magic bubbles in it.
Never been anywhere like this.

Speaker 2 It's a hydrogen water. And today I was installing UV filtration when he got here.

Speaker 2 I had the guys here, you know, ripping all my AC units out. But, um, but this has been amazing.

Speaker 2 I want to, I want to ask you a couple of questions offline for my uh for my rulebrack of VIPs because they they submitted five questions I want to get to, and then I want to let you get back to your family.

Speaker 2 But thank you for taking the time today. I love it.
I appreciate you being so raw and so visceral.

Speaker 2 I know that people are going to be some people are going to get the message, some people are going to be polarized by this. Um, but feel free to leave your comments, guys.

Speaker 2 I want to hear from all of you if you think it was a terrible idea, if you think it was a great idea. I'll welcome all of those.

Speaker 2 Um, the ideas to get the message out, and as always, that's just science.