117. Loren Ridinger: Turning Pain into Purpose – How Grief Became My Greatest Strength

So often in my life I've met people who said, well I became a doctor because that's what my dad expected. And you often meet people, and I'm sure you have too, that become somebody that they never meant to be.
And if I had to came home and told my dad I was leaving and I was going to do this thing called the internet, I would have been somebody I wasn't supposed to be. You didn't go into a pathway that was already laid for you.
You didn't have a mentor guiding you through every step of the way. We didn't have any money.
You went from $25 a week to a billion dollar company. I would watch Derek get up on stage, you know, a little platform in front and he would tell people one day people are going to buy their products online.
The people in the room, they'd look at him like he was crazy. He goes, it doesn't matter what they think, Lauren.
What matters is what you think. What do you think? Do you think we can do it? Do you believe what I tell you when I tell you we can change the world, you and I? Because that's all that matters to me.
I always get on your stage and I tell the people it's because I know that we can't change the world on our own, but I'm smart enough to know that with a like-minded group of people, we can make a massive impact. It's the only thing I know that can change the world is people.
Lots of people talk about the mindset that you have to have to keep going and the tenacity. What does it take when you're at the top? Because you've

gotten there and stayed there. I'll tell you all about it.
The number one thing, and Jare and I

lived our life with this, is...

Welcome to the Ultimate Human Podcast, where we explore the stories and strategies behind extraordinary individuals who push the boundaries of human potential. And today we're joined by my personal and close friend, the incredible Lauren Redinger, a trailblazer in the world of e-commerce, beauty, and entrepreneurship.
As the co-founder of Market America and Shop.com,

Lauren has built a global empire that continues to shape how we shop and how we live.

But beyond her business accomplishments,

Lauren's personal journey of overcoming adversity from health challenges,

personal loss, is just inspiring millions, including myself.

Today, we're diving into her new book, Scrambled or Sunny Side Up,

her powerful outlook on life and what it takes to truly live your greatest life. Hey, guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.
I'm your host, human biologist, Gary Brecca, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, and everything in between. And today, we have our first live studio audience.
Yay!

We're going to try like a a game show. And I am so excited to have this guest on.
She is a close personal friend of mine. I'm very close with her family.
I knew her husband very, very well. He was an inspirational mentor to me, an iconic force in the health and wellness industry and built an absolutely incredible company that's changing a lot of lives.
So welcome to the podcast, Lauren. I am so happy to be here with you.
You know how much I love you and how much Sarah loved you, and you are the ultimate human. The real truth of the matter is, is like, I know that people love you and they see you, but I know you on such a deeper level and your whole life is about helping other people live their best lives.
Oh my gosh. so much that is such a beautiful come on audience that's such a beautiful that is so beautiful like who does that i know no we have a real life this is your first real live this is my first live audience they love you so much my mom i mean my daughter and my wife i love by the way and they love us right i love them But I just, I can't thank you enough for having me here because I consider this an honor for somebody who's worked with you and you've taken care of, you've treated, Jare and I, for many years.
You are a game-changing human. One of the few people I know who spend their life dedicated to making lives better.
Wow. That's so kind of you.
I mean, the podcast is actually supposed to be about you. So I'll talk about you a lot, but I love it.
I'm excited. I know.
I'm so excited that you're here too, because, you know, we've become really close personal friends over the years. In fact, I remember the first time that I met you, I met you and JR at the same time.
We actually came over. I forget who introduced us, but we came over to do this.
It Doesn't matter. All that matters is us.
Yeah. It doesn't matter.
Yeah. I kept you out of all of them.
We did the blood work and the gene testing to get you guys on the program. But, and we're going to talk about your husband on the podcast today because he's such an incredible human being and he changed so many lives and he's still continuing to change lives with, you know, what people do in the dash, as he would call it.

And I remember that we met on your boat. Beautiful, beautiful yacht.
And I boarded your boat. And your husband was like immediately became my science spirit animal because I realized that he had a background in biology.
and he was sitting there doing, you know, sorting through research on his computer,

just trying to make your supplements better and more effective. And he was looking at these pathways to get things into and out of the cell.
So I struck up a conversation with him and rarely have I ever had outside of my ultra work biohacking community as in-depth and inspiring a conversation with anyone as I had with your husband that day. And we became instant friends.
Well, you made him think even bigger if that's possible, because I remember he was doing research that day and you started talking about the type of vitamin B and how it needed to be. It was a game changer.
And I remember he got your whole team on the phone. He was like, why do we have this type of vitamin B? He was like, I want this change.
And he's never really shut everything down from like listening to one person. He was like, that's it.
You know, he just felt so connected to you and saw that your purpose was so much bigger than any one thing. Yeah.
And, you know, I like to say that I got to know JR in a really unique way. I mean, I think so many people were inspired by his stage talks and they were, they've been, they're obviously inspired by the number of lives that you and your company have touched.
And we're going to talk all about their company in a few minutes, but I got to know him in a really special way because I knew the, um, the childlike curiosity that he had this, this intellectual curiosity where, you know, here's a guy sitting on the back of a big, beautiful yacht running a multi-billion dollar company. And he's spending his time still so curious about what is the next thing that I could do to make this better? How can I get this nutrient into the cell in a better way? How can I actually eliminate waste from the cellular activities? And

we had just a very inspiring conversation. And I remember leaving the boat that day and I was just

struck by how childlike his level of curiosity was. It was like the first day that he found a

new toy. I'm like, you've been at this for 30 years.
I think he wrote like 10 emails to everybody

this long with you on it. He was so inspired and so moved and just felt like I've never met anybody like Gary before.
And that was true. And you guys have such an inspiring story.
You know, I spent some time looking at some of the other podcasts that you've done. And I know, I know lots and lots about your story.
I know your family very well. I know, you know, have in your inner circle.
My community, they love you. Community.
But I think there's so many things to, there's so many angles to Lauren Redinger aside from the company that you built is that when you were starting, let's rewind the clock like 30 years. You got it.
Right. I found a really fascinating secret about you that you worked at Eastern airlines.
It's funny. It's funny.
It's a game changing story actually, because, you know, I was 18. My dad was like, you got to go get a job.
You're going to be a flight attendant for Eastern airlines. I was like, by the way, we're dating ourselves with Eastern airlines.
The audience is like, what? By the way, you don't worry about it guys okay so exactly they went out of business when i started no but he was like you got work for eastern airlines well you get it so my dad was like this is what you're gonna do with your life and i was like i don't want to do that i'm afraid to fly don't make me do this dad and he was like you've got to be something i was like i just met this incredible boyfriend of mine and he we're going to change the world. And we're going to start something called the World Wide Web.
It's the internet. And, you know, Internet Explorer back then.
And he was like, that's, you know, a pipe dream. You can't do that.
You're going to go get a job. And so I remember I got to the interview place and there was like 300 people online.
And back then you had to have legs red lipstick on you know the long hair I was fitting the bill well for that position which would be an embarrassing thing today is a very meet too type of treatment for women and when I got up to the front of the line I gave him all the wrong answers they were like you know why do you want to be an eastern? Welcome to the friendly skies. I was like, I don't want to fly with Eastern.
I don't even like Eastern Airlines. I don't, I would say anything I could not to get the job.
Sure enough, I got the job. Crazy enough.
I got a letter four weeks later, you've been hired. You got to go to Atlanta.
You got to go through training. And here's this guy I just met six months before who I'd fallen in love with already.
He was telling me about one day people are going to buy everything they want from their, you know, water bottles to their vitamins to their shoes to their clothes online. And people thought we were crazy.
And so including my father. That was crazy.
And it was crazy. That's, you know, 1989, 1990.
and he said, I went to the training and I told my dad, I don't want to do this. And I told my mom, you got to help me get out of this.
And Jer called me. And he, you know, just my boyfriend at the time.
And he said, if you don't come home and tell your dad that you don't want to be an Eastern airline flight attendant, you're going to become a version of yourself that you never meant to be. Wow.
That was a big moment in my life. And I didn't understand it then until after I lost air.
Because so often in my life, I've met people who said, well, I became a doctor because that's what my dad expected. Right.
Or I became a teacher because that's what my mom expected. You know, or I just became a homemaker because that's what my husband expected.
And you often meet people, and I'm sure you have too, that become somebody that they never meant to be. And if I hadn't came home and fired Eastern Airlines and told my dad I was leaving and I was going to do this thing called the internet, I would have been somebody I wasn't supposed to be.
And you know, I think that's another really inspiring part of your story is that you didn't go into a proven industry. You didn't go into a pathway that was already laid for you.
You didn't have a mentor guiding you through every step of the way. We didn't have any money.
Yeah, you had no money. We didn't have anything.

A dream.

I mean, you went from $25 a week

to a billion dollar company.

A $5 billion company,

which is just astounding

when you think of the trajectory.

But I want to peel back some of the layers of that

because I think there's so many people

watching this right now,

my audience especially,

that you have a dream or you have an aspiration

or you have an idea.

The majority of people,

even in your inner circle,

your father included,

are going to tell you that that can't be done.

Yep.

Thank you. especially that you have a dream or you have an aspiration or you have an idea.
The majority of people, even in your inner circle, your father included, are going to tell you that that can't be done. And that there's no pathway forward for you for that.
And you were not only starting to try, you didn't say, I want to build a big supplement company. That would have made sense because there's shelf space in, you know, in grocery stores.
And you could have said, I want to get my supplement onto a shelf. You wanted to sell it into this mythical, misty space.
That didn't really exist at that time. Didn't even exist.
I mean, it was there, but it was mostly data driven at the time. You know, you could find some data on people, not everything we can find out about you or me today.
Right. But it was information mostly, you know, the thought of somebody going to you and saying, I want to sell your product.
And I want to put it online seemed preposterous at the time. Right.
And I think that, you know, even back when I think about the early meetings of our company, of Shop and Market America in 92, J.R. and I would go to these, you know, not the meetings that you, not the meetings you go to with me now that you've seen that we do with thousands of people.
These are stadiums full of people. No, no, they love you.
But back in the day, it was, you know, seven, eight, nine people. Right.
And we would drive all over the country after I quit Eastern Airlines. And, you know, I would watch Derek get up on stage and he would find a seven, eight people, you know, a little platform in front.
And he would tell people one day people are going to buy their products online you're gonna buy their shoes their socks everything and at 18 years old at the time i would watch the people in the room and they didn't respond well you know they'd look at him like he was crazy and after the meeting he'd be like that was a great meeting wasn't it you know his personality that was fantastic wow we killed him we crushed him we crushed it and and i was like i'm not sure yeah they didn't seem to think that when i saw their faces he goes it doesn't matter what they think lauren what matters is what you think what do you think wow do you think we can do it do you believe what i tell you when i tell you we can change the world you and i we can get people to buy things online do you believe because that's all that matters to me because if nobody else believes but you and i and we put blinders on we can make this happen we didn't have any money he's how old at the time he's in his well he was 38 i was uh he was 36 i was 18 pretty it's pretty crazy, and they, everybody thought we were crazy. You're like, why are you dating this guy? I don't have any money.
He's older. You know, he doesn't have anything to offer you.
You can have a future in journalism, which is where I thought I was going. And I was just mad for him.
He was magical. He, he was, everything he said made perfect sense.
It didn't matter if he didn't have money to take me on a date that didn't matter I just wanted to be around him that personality that charismatic man who meant so much to me and cared about people like you do actually yeah and I was learning I was a child I was 18 so when he said that to me do you believe in it I was like yeah he goes and prove it you do the meeting tomorrow show me I thought how do I break up with this guy before we get to the next meeting exactly the whole way we were driving from Dallas to San Antonio I'll never forget and I was like how am I gonna break up with him on the way I was too afraid to speak I'd. I'd never spoken.
That's everybody's biggest fear. Would you agree public speaking? Deepwater sharks, heights.
Oh, yeah, and dying. Yeah, and dying.
It's like some people may choose dying over public speaking. Right.
They're that scared. And I was like, don't make me do this.
I'm not really good at it. I've never spoken before.
He said, you are the greatest female speaker I've ever heard. Wow.
I was like, how is that possible? Well, how's this guy say, I'm not going to do it. I've never spoken before.
He said, you are the greatest female speaker I've ever heard. Wow.
I was like, how is that possible? How's this guy said, I'm not going to do well. I can tell you right now.
He's like, you are incredible. You just don't know it yet.
One of the finest female speakers I've ever listened to. I got to San Antonio, shaking, shivering, got up there in front of like 10 people.
I said, hi, my name is Lauren Ashley at the time. Yeah.

I fainted in front of everybody.

You fainted?

Flat out, knocked out on the ground.

Woke up and there's people fanning me.

You know, all those 10 people.

And Jared looked at me, said, get up.

They turned the AC off and hear anyone would have fainted.

You were incredible.

I said, I didn't say anything.

I just said, I'm Lauren Ashley.

And he goes, and you said it great. And tomorrow you'll be even better when we get to Houston.
Wow. He didn't get in the car and say, you know what? Stick to driving.
You're right. He didn't get in the car and say, you know what? I still need somebody to help get us there.
I'll do the meeting. He said, you're going to do it again.
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That is so incredible. First of all, I've never heard that story.
I'm sure some people have, but I think that you have- A lot of people haven't actually. There's a famous story about Walt Disney, about how he imagined Walt Disney World, and he designed this, and he went through this structure of buying up all this land quietly in these different LLCs and assembled it all together to create this Walt Disney World.
And I might be bastardizing the story, but it's very analogous that, you know, at the grand opening, one of the reporters said to one of his chief henchmen that, you know, it's, I'm really sad that, you know, Walt, you know, wasn't here to see this. And he said, Walt's already seen this.
Exactly. He's the one that's already seen it.
Exactly. He's the one that's already seen it.
And so how one who's already seen it and so how at that age I mean how it was life-changing was yeah was that belief the belief and the and the visualization did you ever start to see yourself as a powerful speaker as a well-spoken what happened was is that that little bit of belief I was so used to like many people Hearing your say, you're not capable. You can't do it.
Why don't you just do, you know, be a flight attendant? Not that that's not an important job. It just wasn't the job I wanted.
You know, most often, we don't believe in ourselves. And I think what happens is, is that a lot of that comes from home.
And, you know, we raise our kids differently. We've raised our kids to believe that anything's possible, but not everybody's had that benefit.
I didn't. And so for, to have this man come out of nowhere and say that I was possible, it was like, is he crazy or am I? And I started to believe him just enough to try again.
And the more I tried, even if was terrible until i got to be great do you remember the next speaking oh yeah and i did a lot better did you got you got a lot better i got past lauren ashley i didn't fall to the ground conscious i was shaking the whole time but i did it again and guess what i did it probably for three or four years before I felt like I was really great.

Wow. But that's the thing.
It's like people don't believe in themselves enough to go for it, to try it. Because we get so beat down by society and people and we worry about what the bandwagon thinks rather than the one person who's looking in the mirror says I can do it.
Yeah. You know, it's a game changer.
That belief level changed my life. Yeah.
And I am, you know, I used to think when J.R. passed away, I used to get so many thousands of letters from people say, oh, J.R.
changed the way I thought. And, you know, or I joined your company.
And even though I never stayed with it, he made an impact on my future and my life. And I realized at that time, he also made an impact on mine.
And I never stopped to think about it. Because as we're living, we take advantage of everything else around us, the ones that we love and the ones that love us.
And we're like, oh, of course my wife's amazing. Of course my husband's amazing.
Instead of saying, thank you for changing my life. Thank you, Gary.
I remember JR said to me one time, I said, how do you decide what you're going to stay on stage? I mean, is it scripted? Do you, do you, do you follow a script? And he said, well, you know, we, we, we, we set up, um, you know, the stage in certain ways, but he's like, I think about where I want to take the audience. And then when I get up there, I take them there.
And a lot of what he did was very freestyle. Like it was, it was very organic and very authentic in the way he spoke.
And by the way, you know, show man too. I mean, it was crazy.
Yeah, no, he was a great show man. And he was absolutely hysterical.
And he would say things that were off the cuff, maybe, maybe things in the Me Too movement that wouldn't be so kosher today. Some good, some crazy.
But, but again, I think first he had this intellectual curiosity and then he had this vision and, you know, in his mind it had already occurred. And now that's translated into you.
Yeah. You, you built this incredible company.
You haven't, you know, some people would consider what you and I do to be competition. I don't at all.
At all. Because you, you've built such a great scientific team.
You formulate amazing products. As you know, I don't take the stage on other companies stages ever.

And I always get on your stage and I tell the people it's listen,

it's important for you to know that I'm not being paid to be here.

You've never paid me to be at your events.

I'm there because I know that we can't change the world on our own,

but I'm smart enough to know that with a like-minded group of people, we can make a massive impact. Powered by people.
It's the only thing I know that can change the world is people. Yeah.
And I think you understand that, like JR understand it, you know, understood it. And I think it's so important.
I think we can't do it on our own, you know, we just can't, but we can do whatever we can to make a difference. And I think that is what you and what JR have dedicated their lives to.
And I think we need more of that. It's a problem.
Agreed. What was the tipping point for you? At what point, I mean, you're out in the grind, right? You're doing seven person meetings, 10 person meetings.
At some point they go to 25 person meetings and 50 person meetings. When did the first dollar start coming in the door? Because I've heard you talk about $25 weeks.
Yeah. Well, we had our big date was Wendy's back then.
You know, Wendy's was our big date on Wednesday. Wednesday, Wednesdays and Monday macaroni.
Exactly. Macaroni and the Wendy's super bar.
That was our big date. And you know, he wrote, yeah, it's true.
It was like $4.99. It was all you can eat tacos at Wendy's.
Wendy's okay it's true some people definitely will remember that that I'm definitely dating myself but and I think you know when I think about Jared's background of biology you know being a having a master's in biology was a game changer for us because he wanted he had a problem swallowing pills himself. And he said,

we need a formulation that people can take that they can get into their bloodstream right away.

And so Isotonix was born, of course. And it was a game changer for us in its second year of our

company. And it really was.
And it's still our number one product today, 32 years later,

which is really says a lot for what it is. But we uh, we launched that in year two and it was a kind of a, it, it got better and better, but J.R.
was never about the money. In fact, he always acted.
He lived even his last day, like he didn't have any. The funny thing is we have beautiful homes, beautiful cars, a beautiful boat, but J.R.
lived like a very normal guy. If you told him he had money, he would never believe it because he just didn't live his life that way in his mind.
And his mind was, he had just the idea to help people. The way he wanted to earn money was psychically to help other people.
And that's how you do it. And so I think that's why you and he hit it off so well, because I don't know two humans who have helped more people than the two of you.
You especially, I'm in this ultimate penthouse and you're changing lives every day. Thank you.
I feel like I'm living a better life being here. Like I went to the ultimate human's penthouse.
I walked in, the air felt different here. Yeah.
How is that possible? Like how, you understand what you're doing, right? Like I know you're interviewing me, but I just want to tell you, I walked in here. The air is different in the ultimate human's penthouse.
You feel different. The water's different.
I'm taking this home. Those are props, but you can take it.
I think you have, you know, changed a lot of the game for us too, over the last 10 years of us being friends, because, you know, I think when you care enough about what we do put in our body, like Jerry used to say, I don't know everything. You don't know everything about products, but we can find the right people who help us get there.
Yes. And I think that's key.
And that's what you help do for so many of us. Thank you.
I mean, I've loved being, you know, associated with your organization. And I, I always say that I think we should do things that serve our temple.
You know, we should build this invisible fence around ourselves and try to filter things before they get to our bodies. And we let a lot of thieves into our bodies, like you were talking about.
And they, and they steal from us, but we let them in, you know, I mean, the processed foods, the sugary ingredients, the seed oils, things like that. And negative people.
And negative people too. And all of them affect our health.
Yes. All of them.
It's not just what we intake. It's also what we surround ourself with.
And I think that's one of the things that I think Jare and I live by, as you know, that, you know, we kept a very tight circle. Yeah.
And you know, on the journey with you and Jare, I mean, you know, sadly before his passing, I mean, he was in some of the best condition of his life i mean you had him in the best health of his life if it wasn't blood looked perfect no no you had his blood perfect if it wasn't for the fact and this is something i've never talked about publicly is you know jr made the decision on his own to have that second booster that you advised him against doing. I remember we had that conversation.
And he was like, well, Lauren, I'm going to do it because you've had COVID four times and I haven't and I have slept with you and I didn't get it. And he thought that was it.
What he didn't realize is that you had made his immune system so strong that he didn't need it. Yeah.
Four weeks after he took that second booster, he died of a pulmonary embolism in his lungs, as you know. And that one moment of listening to what, you know, everybody was saying they tested a vaccine booster for a few months.
And the next thing I know, he's gone. Right.
And that's something that people aren't talking about. It's changed my life completely.
It's, you know, as you know, every day on the recovery through grief of trying to get through it and it's hard. Yeah.
You know, we talked about, um, I remember talking to you after JR passed. The next day I called you.
Lauren, we've got to, you, you got to focus on, on yourself and keep yourself healthy. I mean, there's, there's, you know, there's no way to stop you from grieving.
There's nothing that I can give you to take away your pain, but we've got to go back to serving the temple so that you can continue the mission on his behalf. That was the first thing you did.
I mean, I remember you calling me saying, I can't take away the pain. Yeah.
I can't, I'm not going to. And unlike what most of the community does is that we suppress so many people with drugs to make them feel better, not feel, you know, all of the stuff that's happening out there that you and I both are against.
Right. That, you know, the rest of the medical community, just, you know, most of them put a stamp on, take this pill, you'll feel better.
Right. You know, you said, I can't do that for you, but what I can do is make you the healthiest I can do while you're going through this.
And's what you did then you know 50 pounds later off you look amazing when you walked in today i was like holy cow can we give a round of applause for my live studio audience healthy healthier than ever i mean my cholesterol is you your team told me as an 18 year old perfect it's It's perfect. It's crazy.
Your sugars are better.

My sugars are normal.

I'm a girl whose mom died at 42, massive heart attack.

My dad died of complications of diabetes, type 1.

I should have everything wrong with me.

I should be the one gone, not JR, because his family lived till 99 and 98.

His grandmother lived till 104.

You had his life extended.

And one wrong decision took his life from me. And, you know, you came in and said, I'm not going to let it happen to you.
That's right. And that was like two weeks into me losing JR.
I remember that. You came to Connecticut.
You took care of me. And here I am, just celebrated, unfortunately, two years, which I don't say celebrated, but JR's two-year anniversary of his death.
And I'm the healthiest I've ever been because if you thank God, still going through the grief, still struggling through that, but mentally getting stronger all the time. You know, we talked a lot about, we even talked about it at your convention about how people can take their pain and turn it into their purpose.
Oh, you blew everybody's mind that day when you talked about your own pain. And I think it was something nobody had ever heard before that story, but inspired me to turn my own pain into the purpose.
And, you know, I think about, you know, my whole life, I never had anybody talk to me and say, this is what grief is going to feel like. Nobody ever said to me, you'll lose people one day and the pain will be so great that it'll be hard to keep moving.
It has been a journey. You know, I've lost my mom.
I lost my dad. I know grief.
I'm familiar with it. I was very close to my parents.
I've never felt the pain I feel losing a guy I knew longer than my own family. It's been a challenge, but I finally decided that I can take this pain, as you say, and turn it into a purpose.
You know, I went to so many counselors after Jared died. And by the end of four weeks, I had fired them.
And the reason I fired them is they were good counselors. I wasn't good.
I wasn't good. If I were honest, I wasn't right in the head.
But as soon as somebody says, well, you know, you could date again. I was like, you're fired.
You know, you're fired. And I wasn't ready at the time.
And I'm still not ready. But here's the funny thing.
Serena Williams had sent me a message one morning. She did every day after J.R.
passed away. And in that message was a little ad.
And I clicked on the ad and it was a group counseling class here in Miami. And she said, I think you should go.
It may change your life to hear what other people are going through and other wives who have lost their husbands. And when you're going through grief, Gary, you know, I don't know how familiar you are with it, but when you go through it, you think you're the worst.
Your pain is the worst. Okay.
And nobody knows what it's like to feel like you feel. So I was like, well, I didn't just lose my husband.
I lost my best friend. I lost my coach.
I lost my mentor. I lost my partner.
The guy who coached me, the guy who trained me, everything. I've never lived alone.
So mine's got to feel worse than theirs, but I went. And when I got there, I sat in a room with 10 other women and all of them went around the room.
Some loved their husband more than others. You can expect that.
Others loved them just as much as I did. Most of them didn't have them as a husband.
I mean, they had a husband, but not a coach, a mentor, whatever, but they lost something I didn't. And that was their lifestyle, their life, their way to put their kids through school, a home.
They couldn't afford to keep the home over their head. Uh, they couldn't afford to pay their light bills, you know, the tuition.
And it was a eye opener for me. And I realized that, you know, even though we started with nothing, Jared didn't leave us with nothing.
Right. And then I would turn that pain and spend the rest of my life helping other people achieve that type of financial freedom where they wouldn't have to worry again.
And I think a lot of times too, when we think about those moments, you think, if that person were back just for a day and what would they tell me? Would they want me to have a memory of them in grief? Would they want me to stop moving forward? Would that person say, I want you to lay in bed and just grieve for me. I want you to wake up every day and feel the burden of my loss.
I want you to stop what you're doing. I want you to quit your purpose.
I want you to just turn inward and suffer. Or would they say, you know, I want you to go and carry this message to its fullest extent.
Like, I want you to go out there and dominate and I want you to be happy and I want you to be booming about your purpose. I mean, I feel like, you know, J.R.
Is that what J.R. would have said? Yeah.
He would say, go, go, go get after it. I love to hear you say that.
I know he would say that. I've got goosebumps right now.
I hear you and I'm listening to you like he's saying it to me. And I feel that.
And it took me a moment to feel that. It did.
I think when you're going through grief, you don't know how you're supposed to feel or react. And, you know, I think it also depends on who you ask.
You ask your children, your grandchildren. They're like, if you ever date again, you're dead.
You know, have you ever seen anybody, you're dead. But what you realize is that you do things in your own time yeah and you take a lot of grace for yourself and and there's a new lauren that's emerged from this no question and i'm doing the best i can and and this is our first big week again that we've had volume in the company like we have when jerry was still here really which i'm really happy about because jerry used to say to me don't ever count dollars lauren just keep working hard wow and i would do that and he'd say your work will never pay off till years later i never understood that till now now two years in it's the first week that we've had that's been ultra successful and i'm like okay this is what he was talking about how it took two years of hard work yeah you're not this is the best of i'm sure it shook the foundation of the company too not just your foundation they're like hey wait a real foundation yes oh yeah captain's gone our general's gone our sergeant's gone i and how is this girl gonna fill his shoes you know how big those shoes are yeah and the funny thing is i would go back and i'd listen to messages he would leave me like, you know, that you can do whatever I do, right? Better.
And then all my friends and, and, and my, my family would come to me and say, you know, every time we'd ask Derek, what should we do about a problem? He said, well, what did Lauren say? Really? And then I started to realize he cared about what I thought. Yeah.
And that's why, of course I wrote the the book, Scrambled or Sunny Side Up, because every day, you know, I couldn't figure out what to name the book. At first I was going to do it like, what do you do with the dash? You know, because that was his thing.
That was his thing, yeah. What are you going to do with the dash? The dash is, you know, the day you're born.
The line. The day you're born, the dash, and then the day you die.
So what are you doing with the dash? And he lived his life like that.

Super lived his life like that.

Let's just live our life in the dash, whatever it takes.

If we do a lot to help people, we've made a difference.

And that was his big motto.

Like, you cannot succeed without helping other people succeed.

And he used to say, Lauren, we must succeed so other people can realize their dreams.

Because they won't go for it.

They won't believe they're possible.

And so, you know, every day I've been, I was with JR for 36 years. So every day we would wake up and he'd say, how do you want your eggs? Scrambled or sunny set up.
And I'd say, I don't know. What are you in the mood for? Do you want scrambled or sunny set up? It's your stomach.
I mean, what am I supposed to say? And I said, have scrambled today. Next day, scrambled or sunny side up, baby.

Okay, great.

This went on for years.

So after you're married for 36 years, one day you wake up and you're like,

I don't know, Jesus, what do you want to move for?

Do you want scrambled or sunny side up?

It's your stomach.

You're driving me crazy.

I'm not having eggs.

And I would get frustrated.

And then I would realize after he passed away that the very thing that made me fall in love with him

Thank you. and I would get frustrated.
And then I would realize after he passed away that the very thing that made me fall in love with him,

that advice he wanted from me,

how should I have my eggs

is the same thing that frustrated me.

And you can't let your life get twisted like that.

And we do.

Like, we used to love that you cared about my opinion.

Now you became a pain in the ass by asking me.

I couldn't just take a second and say,

hey babe, have scrambled.

And so I named the book Scrambled or Sunny.

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Yeah, I remember when I was speaking at your last convention, I told the story right before we got on the podcast, but I was getting ready to take the stage, and they came running over to me, and they're like, hey, we got to push you back five minutes. I was like, oh, what's going on there? Like, Lauren's book just hit number one on Amazon.
And I'm like, I thought the book wasn't out yet. They're like, it's not.
I didn't even know you could do that. I didn't actually not have a book out.
I didn't know that either. The funny thing is, I'm like, all I was focused on was because it releases, you know, Valentine's week of 2025.
I mean, 2024, 2025, 20, we're in 2024. So that's how I'm lost, 2025.
And I didn't know that there was these other lists besides New York bestsellers, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles. And we hit them all that same day.
And I was just- Pre-orders, right? Pre-orders. Just people, yeah.
And so, of course, our company is a great platform for that type of stuff because you know everybody wanted to buy the book and and we sold so many books outside the community which is so amazing but it's a beautiful story of of lessons that I've learned that I didn't know while I was while Jair was here yeah and so it opens up with you You know, you wrote me 5,000 love letters in 36 years. I remember you telling me that.

Yeah.

5,000 love letters in 36 years. I remember you telling me that.
Yeah. 5,000 love letters.
And hand wrote long ones. And I was the one that was like, thank you, baby.
I love you. You know, I didn't leave the long love letter.
Right. I wasn't good at the long love letters.
And I told him all the time how much I loved him. But the book opens with a love letter from me that I should have given to him oh and it ends with a love letter I wish I'd left him before he left so is a lot of healing there's a different Lauren from chapter one to the end really you can see that I can't transition of that Lauren yeah and to the Lauren that you say he's saying go be your best version of you and I think know, a lot of people that are dealing with that kind of grief, I think if you just close your eyes and you imagine that person, you know, for a few minutes back in your life to give you advice, I think very few people would say, I want you to grieve heavily for me rather than I want you to just get after it.
Oh yeah. And Jared, by the way, Jared would definitely say grieve heavily for me but go back to work he would definitely say right sage he would definitely say grieve heavily for me bawling your ass off he would be like cry your ass off and then go back to work i mean and it's it's funny because you go through these crazy phases like when jared first died the company took a huge tumble at first you know i told you which has got to be like like that's just insult to injury well here's the thing in a weird way i was like let it happen i wanted people to remember that we had one leader and it was my leader is their leader and that's how we became who we were but then i like, come on, Lauren, you got to get in there.
And I decided to do exactly what you did with your own pain, with the community of why you went off on your own and, you know, didn't stay working for the government going in the court, you know, courtroom and, you know, dying, diagnosing people after they're gone. Right.
Right. That's because that's what you did.
Yeah. That's exactly what I did.
Mortality. Yeah.
Mortality. And so for me, it was like, how many more people have to go before we get in and do something? And I wanted to do something and I did and I went right to work and you know, every day I'm working really hard at doing the best version of me and not trying to fill somebody else's shoes, but still have so much to look up to.
So let's, let's, let's back up a little bit. Um, because I, again, there's so many people, there's so many things to unpack with your journey.
I mean, you know, it's, it's obviously been a journey of struggle and the pain came at the end, but before that there's this tremendous level of success and it's not just a tremendous level of success. You know, I always marvel not just at great athletes or great actors or inspiring people.
It's when somebody can dominate an industry for a long period of time. Like a LeBron James.
Yeah. You know, he didn't just make a few great layups.
I mean, you know, Michael Jordan or, you know, Lance Armstrong, seven back-to-back. Serena Williams.

Serena Williams, you know, John Jones, who's a client of mine. He's getting ready to fight in the UFC on November 16th and never lost a heavyweight fight.
And what's super inspiring to me is how some people can keep that level of success and commitment over such a long period of time. And you've done it for three decades.
Yeah, 32 years. 32 years.
And so, you know, it's not that all you've known is success, because a lot of what you would known is not success. Not at all.
And so, you know, lots of people talk about the mindset that you have to have to keep going and the tenacity. But what do you have, what does it take when you're at the top? I want you to talk a little bit about the people you surround yourself with, how important your inner circle is.
Yeah, I'll tell you all about it. Yeah, because you've gotten there and stayed there.
And I think you would agree, the number one thing, and Jay and I lived our life with this, is protecting this, you know, protecting our mindset, mentally

not letting people in here, uh, because this can either be a prison or it can set you free.

Right.

And so our mindset was so important.

And he just used to have one rule.

If I would, you know, early in the early days, Lauren would, you know, I was young, 18 years

younger than JR.

And, you know, I would say like, everybody thinks that you should do this with me.

He's like, who's everybody?

Who cares about everybody?

You need to eliminate everybody, Lauren.

And you need to focus on me and you.

And not involve third-party people in our life.

So to have a good marriage for 36 years, that's what we had to do.

Sage and I say no light between us.

No light.

And you've got to have an agreement. No going to bed mad.
A lot of love. Forgiveness for each other.
Don't hold a grudge. Grudge makes you old and makes you sick.
Creates disease. I don't care what anybody says, right? Yep, it's so true.
I think the mindset of being around the right people and who you let in your world. And they've got to, you know, they can do a million different things.
They don't have to be in the same profession as you, doing the same thing that you, but their mission has got to be the same, that they care about the mind and they only want positive people around them and they believe in you and they lift you up rather than tear you down. You know, we all grow up in an environment of society that has a tendency to make us believe that we're not possible when we are.
Yeah. And so he changed that for us.
Our atmosphere changed. Yeah.
I remember you even said one time that I do the work of 25 people. And the way you explained it was, you know, the next 25 people are not willing to do the difficult things, like the hard things that you're willing to do.
Yeah. And that's true.
And I think most people are able, most people are capable, but they're not willing to. And that's really, you know, I say like, what are you willing to do? Cause somebody was like, oh my God, I want to be like you one day and get up there and

inspire people.

And I said, you can be.

The question is, are you willing to do what I do to get here?

Yeah, that didn't.

That didn't happen every night.

First time passed out.

Five years.

First time passed out.

Took me five years to feel like I could actually go in front of a group of a thousand people.

Forget about 10, 18,000 people.

You know, a lot of people.

Next week, I'm going to, you know, Asia. I'm speaking in front of 26,000 tickets sold when they heard I was coming out.
18,000 people. You know, a lot of people.
Next week I'm going to, you know, Asia.

I'm speaking in front of 26,000 tickets sold

when they heard I was coming out.

26,000?

Yeah, 26,000 in Taipei.

But you know, are you willing to do what I do?

See, the first thing I do when I get up

is I do the hardest things first.

That's what most people avoid.

Right.

They want to put it off.

They're like, well, I'm going to wait till tomorrow

because that's a hard call.

I'm going to wait till tomorrow because you know what? That takes a lot of effort and I got to be alone and lock myself up in the room. No, no, no.
My room is, and my rule is, is that don't come in my room till I finish the hard stuff first. Wow.
And, and let me get it done because I know that you're not going to do it. Somebody's got to do it.
And if you'll do it, then I won't have to, but if you won't, I'm going to do it. And, you know, we've built leaders like that around us because that's a

hard thing to do, as you know, not everybody will think like you. No doubt.
You know, how do I get

people to do the hard things first when, you know, most of the time they're putting that off,

you know, and, and being a good leader is also being able to make a decision.

And Jerry used to say, I don't care if you make the wrong decision. I just want you to make a

Thank you. You know, and being a good leader is also being able to make a decision.
And Jerry used to say, I don't care if you make the wrong decision. I just want you to make a good decision.
Meaning it could be wrong, but I want you to think it through. And if you believed it was a good decision and you made a mistake and it was wrong on, it will never be wrong to me.
Wow. We can recover from that.
What we can't recover from is that you take forever to make a decision.

That's called procrastination.

That's the killer for most people. They put it off.

You know, excuses, procrastination, something I'll never do.

So I live by my decisions.

I make good quality decisions and I think them through.

And I, like you, allow myself time to do that.

Yeah.

You know, I think it through.

You gave your morning to yourself.

I do the very same thing. It's funny that when you told me what you did and I tell you what I did, they're the same things.
Successful people do very similar things. They own their morning.
Yes. And those hard things first have been a game changer for me because nothing comes between me and that time, unless it's an emergency, unless it's a, God forbid,

an emergency. I just hammered the staff about it this morning.
Yeah. Like, don't bother me before 11.
This is what I'm doing. This is critical thinking time.
This is the time that Lauren needs to make everything go. Right.
And there's a reason why I think JR used to do the same thing. I never really said to him, like, why don't you want to take calls before 11? It just became second nature for me.
Right. I started to do the same thing.
And, you know, I do those things. So then I can own the rest of my day.
So if I want to go see my grandkids, go play soccer, I can do that. Right.
You know, those are the things that are really important too. And I think that's so important.
Your mindset's everything, your attitude's everything, what you believe is possible will change your life. How important was the struggle to your success now? I mean, how critical do you think it is to have had nothing before you have everything? Taryn and I failed so many times.
We failed over and over and over again. We just never quit.
And I do think that without failing, it's almost impossible to succeed. I think so many people don't want to embrace the suck.
I know. And they've got to.
That's like every time I see somebody almost, almost, they're so close. I'm like, tie a knot and hold on.
Yeah. Don't throw in the towel yet.
You're almost there. Whether they're my business, your business, somebody, it doesn't matter if they're a friend.
I love them and I want them to make it. And I see them this close.
Like, don't quit. You're there.
You're almost there. You're almost there.
You know, when the pain starts to happen, you're so close. Yeah.
And that's when people quit. You're right.
Yeah. They don't want to embrace the suck.
I mean, the hard conversations. I like what you're saying because I think what happens to a lot of companies, and this happened to Sage and I, when we were building our company, we haven't built anything nearly as successful as yours, but we- Oh, you do pretty good in the ultimate penthouse right here, baby.
I got to tell you, the ultimate human has got it going. This ultimate human penthouse, I want to move into, by the way.
I got the next guest room next. She walked around and like bought everything.
No, no. I bought everything and I want to move in with Sage and that's it.
I'm done. Sage and Gary, I am with you guys.
I love you. Live audience, should we let Lauren move into the pad house? Yes, yes.
I get the other bedroom. I love you guys.
We actually have a guest room for you. It has that Vemi acoustic bed that can put you in a theta'll, first of all, I walked in when Sage and you showed me your bedroom and I walked in,

I was in a theta state when I walked into the whole space.

The air is different here.

Yeah.

Everything is different here.

And you feel like I gained years here.

I'm hydrated.

Yeah.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

I feel like I've actually gotten some years back and that matters.

That's how much I know you care about people.

Yes.

That's why I'm here.

I think that's I love you. You know, I haven't talked about anything with JR at all publicly, as you know, like this.
Not talking about the grief, how it happened, the vaccine, the booster. This is the first time, you know, because people don't want to hear it.
No, they don't want to hear it. They think you're a naysayer.
Yeah. They're like, Oh, let's not talk about the booster again.
Okay. Well, I'm gonna tell you what happened to me.
Yeah. Right.
Exactly. I mean, and you know, there's people watching this right now that have their lives have been touched like that.
And maybe they haven't attributed to that. Yeah, of course.
It's a fact. Yeah.
I think, you know, the blessing for me and for us, I think has been no matter what side of the aisle you're on from the pandemic, emerging from that pandemic, people woke up and said, I got to take my health care choices into my own hands, not my emergency care. I mean, you know, if you got pain radiating down the left side of your arm, you need to go to the emergency room, right? But I need to take, if I have an optimal health goal, I need to take responsibility for it myself.
I can't put that in the hands of the elites or the government or modern medicine. I need to actually become my own citizen scientist and figure out how do I live to be the best version of myself.
That's it. That's it right there.
And you said something to me earlier today, which is we've got to build this invisible fence around what gets in here. Right.
And that's so critical. And I think we overlook it.
Like we spend more money on health and anti-aging, but we buy products, but forget to take care of us. Yeah.
And you remind us of that all the time. And you're so right.
Yeah. We bully things like sleep in our schedule.
You know, we, we, we wonder why we're not feeling as good as we could feel or perform as well as we can perform or why aging has been so quote unquote cruel to us, but aging hasn't been cruel to you, been cruel to yourself. You're right.
I mean, father time's not stealing from you. Father time's not stealing, but you're robbing yourself.
And I think you're right. And I think as humans, we overlook it.
We don't like, I love that you have this pattern that you do. and i have one very similar as i said the other thing i do is is if i know i'm going to be short on sleep i'll steal a nap that's fine religiously oh yeah like those 20 minutes to me are everything they changed a lot of science some of the successful people in the world regularly napped i mean some of the greatest presidents of our you know of our time i'm one 20'm one 20 minutes a day, call the shots.
I tell you that's it. It's like, I got to reset this brain because, you know, I owe it to myself to do it.
Yeah. No question.
And we were talking about sleep on the way here and I was showing you the sequence of sleep scores and, and you know, it's sometimes you just need to call people's attention to it. Like I'll say, well, tell me about your sleep routine.
And they go, well, I go to bed. All right, well, when do you go to bed? Whenever I'm done.
Whenever I'm done with my stuff. You know, I'm done.
I put the kids to bed. Then I read.
And then I watch some TV show. And I fall asleep with the TV on.
What time do you fall asleep? Whatever, I fall asleep. So they have no sleep hygiene.
They have no sleep routine. No pattern.
No routine. No pattern.
And when you explained yours to me today, now I've got a new, like, that's a new thing I'm going to focus on is the pattern at night. Cause I have it in the morning, but at night I got to get better reminding myself, turn it off.
Just shut it all down. I'm pretty good about shutting it off.
I mean, I've left many, I guess, sitting at my dinner table and my wife like, sorry, good night. My wife will tell you.
Sorry, Sage, you're the one. Say good night.
She's like, where did he go? Oh, well, just, yeah, he left. Yep, I go right in.
I'm like, oh, 10 o'clock. And now they know.
People know where the door is. They can help themselves through the food.
You guys want to chit chat about meaningless nonsense? I'll see you in the morning. It really is about taking care of yourself because it's like when i think about i didn't expect to be to get this healthy over this last year and a half but it was like lauren i'm gonna do this with you while you're going through what you're going through i remember just do it yeah this here are the things i need you to do and we did it and look what happened yeah you look.
And I think that makes mentally that's helped me get really strong again too. And I think there's a connection, right? Yeah, very much.
So now where, where's the future for Lauren Redinger? It's funny. You know, what's, what's changed? It's a lot has changed.
I mean, I've changed. And I think, you know, the same rule that built us people, you know, Jerry used to say, Lauren, don't worry about all the AI and the technology.
We'll do that anyway. We have to do that anyway, but let's not lose sight of why we're here.
It's because of people. yeah and we're gonna always be connected to people you know it's funny somebody played a little message I won't say who because he's probably not supposed to I'm probably not

supposed to say it. But somebody played a beautiful message in a meeting that they have with Warren Buffett recently to me.
And the message was very much like what J.R. would say to me.
It said, don't worry about all the technology that's out there. It was very recent.
Don't worry about all the technology. Worry about people.
As long as you, whoever takes care of their customer the best, whoever takes care of their people the best wins ultimately. And so for me, that's my number one goal.
You know, how to make returns easier, how to make purchasing faster, how to do things for people, get what people want, you know, have the ultimate human new store somehow. I got to launch an ultimate human line together.
Yes. You know, I want to do things that people want.
I want to hear what they want and I want to activate. Yes.
And for me, that's the future for us. And I want to do it better than anybody.
Cause you know, you can, you can, there's, you know, Amazon's the biggest seller in the world, right? Everybody's buying, you can't beat that. But what you can do is be really great at taking care of your people, your customers, making sure it's easy for them.
Make sure you deliver faster. Make sure the returns are easier.
Make sure you have a connection. Make sure you know what they want.
Make sure they can actually talk to a person.

And I think we've gotten really good at that over the last two years, especially, you know, Jerry used to say, all of our work will catch up with us one day. And it has.
And I think I'm investing a lot of time and money into making that better and being there with the people. I think that makes a big difference.
You know, I did 40 cities this year and literally 64 days or something. 40 cities? It was crazy.
In the US? Yes. And I'm leaving, you know, Monday for Southeast Asia and doing a tour out there.
And I think I wouldn't have been able to do it unless this were right. And unless I was on, you know, didn't know where I was going and I do.
Right. And I think, you know, even in the fog of grief, my mind is clear enough to say, I know what I need to do.
I still got to do the hardest things first. Yeah.
I still need to believe that I'm possible. I still need to believe that our best days are still ahead.
When at first somebody told me that I was like, that's impossible. My best days are behind me.
Right. But there are still the best days of Lauren still ahead.
And it took me a while to figure that out and accept that and be okay with that and embrace that. That doesn't mean I don't miss Jer every moment of my day.
Don't wish he wasn't with me. But in order to succeed, I have to show people it's possible And I'm rebuilding me again.
Yeah. And I think that when you're doing that with people and you're very vulnerable and very transparent about the process of where I've been and where I'm going and how painful it's been and that we can recover if we're transparent, life can change for you in a positive way.
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I think so too. I think you actually just inadvertently answered a question I asked you earlier about how do you stay at the top of the game, right? I mean, you built this incredibly profound company and a multi-billion dollar company from $25 weeks to $5 billion company.
And I'm always curious about what keeps people there, but when you start saying things, I could do the hard thing first. Yeah.
So now you're not complacent, right? I mean, there you are at the top of the game, you've got the yacht, you've got the house, you've got a beautiful company, a great family, a tight group of friends, but you're like, my best days are still ahead. I still do the hard things first.
I think there's a lot of wisdom in that that people can actually apply in their life is that, you know, we as human beings, we aggressively seek comfort. You know, like I was saying, aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort.
We aggressively seek comfort instead of aggressively seeking to do the hard things first. And I think if you, if you adopted a philosophy where you did the hard things first and you truly believe that your best days were still ahead, this is how you maintain that level of excellence.
Exactly. People get so comfortable being uncomfortable.
It's like, are you kidding me? Do you not realize that in order to get uncomfortable, you've got to step one foot out of the box that you're in. That's all you have to do.
They think it's monumental, so they don't want to do it rather than like, like sitting in front of the TV is comfortable and doing nothing and not changing. Well, most people would rather do nothing than do something that's uncomfortable.
Well, of course, but what they don't realize is they're actually uncomfortable. They're living a life of discomfort.
They're not able to make ends meet. They're struggling to pay the bills.

You know, they're not happy.

They don't work on their marriage at home.

You know, J.R. and I had a really happy life because we constantly worked at being good partners.

We had a good marriage.

We had good communication.

J.R. used to say, what do we do every six months?

We analyzed our marriage.

Really?

What do you like about me and what don't you like about me? So I can fix that.

Because I love you enough to want to make sure that I make a tweak.

I'll see you next week. six months we analyzed our marriage really what do you like about me and what don't you like about me so i can fix that because i love you enough to want to make sure that i make a tweak oh i'm sure my wife's got a list over there we're gonna look at her look at that face she's like she loves you i said to her early she has a dropbox file with her i'm not kidding i told her earlier she deserved the big trophy and you said here i am and so you know the funny thing is is that people don't realize that when you're at home being in a happy environment's really important oh my gosh yeah i've had both i mean i've had i've had miserable i know you have and i've had just mediocre and i know your story and when you walk in this house it's a happy home yeah and that's the difference the difference.
That can change your health too. No doubt.
That changes your mindset. Yes.
And so some days I just ask for Lauren time, you know, without everybody coming over, I just say, you know, guys, I got to have some me time. I'm figuring me out.
You know, some days I have good days, I have bad days. But one thing for sure is like, I'm making sure who I put in my circle.
And of course you and Sage are in my circle. You can come on our place at any time or I can go to your place at any time.
You want to be at that table. Yes.
And everybody at that table wants to lift you up and elevate you. Say anything you're doing is possible.
You can be or do anything you want to do. Most people don't understand that if you've been cut out of my life, you gave me the scissors.
Yeah. You gave me the scissors.
You gave me the scissors. You're the one.
You're the one who cut you out of my life because I just have a certain way I'm going to live. And I only want to live with people who believe in what I'm doing and where I'm going.
You don't have to do what I'm doing, but I need you to be a cheerleader of what I'm doing. I need you to support what I'm doing.
I need you to believe in me so I can believe in myself also. I don't want to have anybody around me say, don't try that.
Don't go for that. Oh my God, Gary, don't you know? You cannot be transparent and honest without expecting controversy.
I love that statement too. You're not going to be transparent and honest about without expecting controversy.
People are so afraid to say their truth today. People are so afraid to have an honest conversation.
It's like, Oh my God, here she goes. She's blackballed.
Don't say you're a vote for, you can't even have a conversation about politics anymore. It's ridiculous.
I just want to, what happened to have good conversation fast too. Yeah.
I just want to good have good conversation. And so I think, you know, we have done a very good job of keeping a circle where, you know what? It's okay to agree to disagree.
It's okay to say, you know what? I don't agree with you, Lauren. I have a different opinion.
And I say, you know what? I never thought about that opinion. And keeping an open mind because that's what real people who care about this will do.

And I do think that that is the key to my health and my happiness is who I surround myself with because it helps my mindset.

Since the day I met you, you've had the same inner, I mean.

It's so true.

Probably for decades before we met.

And I feel like people just, I'm over the, I don't want to be around anyone who prejudge.

I just don't want anybody who, who around me who wants to prejudge anyone, a situation. I don't want to keep an open mind.
Right. I want, I don't know what the future load, people say, well, what's the future of the company? I'm like, the future of the company is amazing.
I see us getting bigger and better all the time. What is the future of Lauren? I'm not, I don't know yet.

I'm still figuring her out. It's like, I'm still getting to know this new me.
Right. I know that

I'm going to have great days ahead of me. And I'm now embracing that.
Do I miss the Lauren

with Jair? Of course I miss those days all of my life. Right.
I will, but I had that life

and that doesn't mean I lose it. And I do think that grief is just an extension of love in many ways.
And that it's, it's by how much you loved is how much grief you will suffer. And I do think that doing the hard things first and waking up in the morning and saying, I'm able to do this.
I get to see my kids today. I get to pick up my kids from school.
I get to show up for work and be a great leader. Instead of saying, I have to do this.
I have to do that. I have to go to the gym.
I get to go to the gym. You know, when we start to act grateful for having this life that we can have around us and realize that you are actually uncomfortable because you haven't left that zone of discomfort for so long you don't know how to get out right we get so stuck behind the big boob tube and you know that you're dating yourself i am dating myself i know the boob tube but it's true but we get so stuck and we don't know our way out And yet all we have to do is take one step outside the box in order for our life to change.
Right. And make a commitment.
Like people, you know, I'm a big believer in writing down my goals. I do it all the time.
And I read them. I've heard you talk about that.
I read them. And, you know, people do it all the time at New Year's Eve.
And I'm always like, i'm not doing that because i do it all year long right and here's what happens with your new year's eve resolutions for most people and you i know you agree with this is that the only commitment they keep is breaking their commitment to themselves right and by january 20th i think you just slowly let yourself down i mean you know sometimes when you a promise to yourself, I tell people if you want to improve your own self-esteem, just make little promises to yourself and keep them. Say, I'm going to go to bed at 10 o'clock and go to bed at 10 o'clock.
Like when you tell yourself you're going to go to bed at 10 o'clock and get in bed at 1 in the morning, you know you broke that promise to yourself, and I think you slowly erode your confidence in yourself. When you said to me, I'll never forget it, when you first saw me for the first time when I was on the boat and you were like, I was like, I'm going to start that diet on Monday.
You're like, what's wrong with today? Yes, that's right. What's wrong with today? And the truth of the matter is how many times do we hear people say, I'm going to start next week? Right.
As if Monday starting is going to cause you to lose more weight than starting today. Yeah.
Do it now. But we do it all the time when we see people do it.
I just don't want to do that. You don't want to do that.
And I think that's the key for people to succeed is to do exactly what you said right now. Yeah.
I mean, Lauren, you're, you're, you're amazing. And I, I hope that we can, um, continue to do these podcasts.
And so I, I, I, I love us checking back in on each other's careers. And I think, I think there is an opportunity for us to really do something special that we talked about in the

kitchen. I think you, I think you're just scratching the scratch of the surface.
I don't

even think you've gotten, you don't even know Gary Brecca yet. Like as well as I know you,

I don't know Gary Brecca yet. You don't know Gary.
You're just, as Jerry used to say,

Gary's just scratching the scratch on the surface. Wow.
have so much more to do the the what you have given to me and my family is life and more years and that's a gift that you can't pay somebody back for you know Jerry used to say Lauren it's not about the money it's about the people will help along the way. Nothing could ring truer for you.
I really appreciate that. We have all the right friends, the Beckhams, everybody, right? They're all the grunt men.
We all have the same circle of friends and we all feel the same way. We talk about you often.
I feel the same way about them too. We love you and how much you put into people you really put into people like jr did

and that's what our business is about you know that's what shop and market america become about

the people right for you and i i think we're just starting i think there's so many big things

inspiring it's inspiring for me because i think like i said all the technology in the world will

never be a gary brecca wow we'll never be a jr writing and i think that's what the world needs

Thank you. I think, like I said, all the technology in the world will never be a Gary Brecka.

Wow.

Will never be a J.R.

Reitinger.

And I think that's what the world needs more of.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

I wind every podcast down by asking my guests the same question.

There's no right or wrong answer to this question.

And that is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

Gosh, I think at this point in my life, the ultimate human number one happiness i think happiness is so important health and a clear mind wow and owning my mind again and i think that's what you know the ultimate human is for me because i i want to own this again and it gets cloudy during grief and so me, I always understood the value of how important it is to keep our mind sharp,

but it's,

it's health,

happiness and owning this again,

the clear mind.

It's,

I think it can change the world,

you know,

if we're clear.

Well,

I think this is message is going to be very special and inspiring to a

lot of people.

And I super appreciate you.

I love you.

And this has been such an honor for me and being in this ultimate

human penthouse is so inspiring that I do not want to go.

I'm going home to get my back,

Thank you. I love you.
And this has been such an honor for me. And being in this ultimate human penthouse is so inspiring that I do not want to go.
I'm going home to get my back. But what did our audience think today? What did you guys think? Yay! I can't wait to see how this live audience podcast is going to be.
This live audience podcast is, you never had this before. No.
I mean, I love you, Tom Brady. I love you, The Rock, and all the guys you interviewed on here.

But this one is the first live audience.

This is the first live audience. Me.

I love you guys.

All right.

Thank you, Barry.

I love you.

And as always, guys.

That's just science.