103. Brad Slater: The 10-Week Journey to Ultimate Health & Performance

How is it possible that I know more about my car than my body?

Wow.

This is crazy.

I was 255 pounds. All of a sudden, my injuries started popping back.
A lot more inflammation. Work out like an animal.
Couldn't drop a pound. And it just felt like someone pulled the plug.
Like the switch was off. It didn't feel right.
And then along comes you educating me about your guts connected to your brain. And so that explains why I'm more stressed out than usual.
And it's all tying together. What has this shift in your health done for your career and your mental health? I start getting on the supplements and working out, lifting weights, walking.
I remember where I was standing. Literally, I can go to the spot in my backyard one day when I go, oh my God, I feel totally different.
Really? I'm getting goosebumps, man. I love hearing that.
I don't think you have to have a mental illness to focus on your mental health. All of our lives are peaks and valleys, but I deal with things much differently because I'm like, you know what? I'm being tested right now, but I've been doing all the things to take care of myself.
I'm ready for this test. I think so many of us have accepted this erosion of our baseline sense of normalcy.
And we're like, okay, well, I'm supposed to have brain fog because I'm old. What would you say to those people? talk about getting to the root cause of the problem instead of treating people for their ailments you're treating people for their hey guys welcome back to the ultimate human podcast i'm your host human biologist Gary Brecca, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging,

biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today you are in for a plot twist because we have a senior talent partner from WME on

the show today, a good friend of mine that I've been on a health journey with for quite

some time.

Your list of clients in Hollywood is a who's who of who's who. Welcome to the show, Brad Slater.
Thank you so much. We've been wanting to run this for a while.
I know. This is a long time coming.
It is such an honor to be here. I've been so excited about it from the moment that we met just, you know, about a year and a half ago.
Yeah, we met a year and a half ago. um dana white introduced us at uh gecko in miami he did he did it was uh i'll tell you it was just before that i think it was uh march of that year not last year the year before i was with dana in las vegas we were uh watching the las vegas aces play i represent kelsey plum and it's a good friend she's a good friend of his as well.
And I saw Dana and I was like, what are you doing?

You look unbelievable.

And he was just feeling so great.

And he said, I'm going to introduce you to Gary Brekka

and it's going to change your life.

And I said, well, tell me more, please, right now.

And that was like during the game.

And then a couple months later, we were in Miami

and UFC had a big card there. And he said, we're going to dinner at Gecko and you're going to meet Gary Brecca.
And I will never forget walking to the restaurant, meeting you. I was so excited because I had done some homework.
You were pretty pumped. I was pumped.
And you looked me in the eyes. It's so nice.
And then you said, we're going to we're going to make you superhuman. And or said something like i remember to get you on the protocol but i took it like in my own crazy mind like oh my god he thinks i'm sick he thinks there's something wrong with me no i really do have to i said you're gonna be my next superhuman project that's what i yes yeah and uh and so after that weekend i raced home i was introduced to stephanie martinez dev I got my blood tested.
I got the genetic test. You know, a couple of weeks after that, I was hitting the ground running.
But I can tell you during that time, Miami, I remember, you know, being with Dana and being out on a boat with Max Crosby, who I know has been on the podcast. And these guys are walking around with their shirts off.
And I'm like, not me. Shirt stays on.
Not around these guys. But I'm going to get there.
And I went to work. And, you know, it's been unbelievable.
You actually really did go to work. And before I even get into your background, I mean, because, I mean, you are an iconic force in Hollywood and in the talent management and agency business.
And I want to talk about how you climbed that ladder because it was a very non-traditional route you know i've done my homework on you too i mean you you were um you know selling european movies or movies to you know overseas american films overseas and and didn't didn't actually go through the traditional ladder right i mean you didn't um because you know in the back of mind, you know, sometimes when I look at other industries, I'm always fascinated by how does somebody get into that? Right. Yeah.
And to me, Hollywood entertainment, um, sports management, talent management, being a talent agent, that to me represents one of the most competitive industries in the world, simply because you've got a lot of egos. You've got a lot of people with connections, crazy connections.
You've got a lot of people with money. And you have a lot of people.
Like, all of your clients have choice, right? Dwayne The Rock Johnson, you know, Eva Longoria. You know, these are some of the most iconic names, figures in the world of sports um you know just the the level of celebrity status so you've got to be relevant to them and you got to provide value for sure right because if you don't somebody else sure as hell absolutely so i'm you know i want to circle back around to our health journey together because you know it's a.
But I also want to talk about your journey climbing the ladder because to me, that is fascinating.

And I think it's so applicable to any other industry, whether you're an entrepreneur starting a tech company, whether you've got a passion and a purpose and you're starting out and you've got big forces against you. But talk a little bit about how you got into the talent agency world and became like literally the if not one of the top talent agents in the world well i appreciate that um it is an untraditional uh journey for me for sure and i think everything in my life has been untraditional i'm actually super proud of that um listen i was born and raised in los angeles um and i know that hollywood is kind of, but I really, I had no ties to the business at all.
I didn't have, you know, my parents weren't involved in the business at all. I didn't have any family.
That's the thing that fascinated me, right? You didn't have a path to follow. Yeah, no, I really didn't.
And no aunts and uncles or even friends whose parents were, were in the business. It just really wasn't around for me.
Um, but I always loved movies and television. I was an athlete first.
And like every young guy, I mean, I thought I was going to play professional sports. That was really my dream.
I was a baseball player and took it pretty far, you know, in high school and had some opportunities to play in college. Nothing big time.
But had I wanted to go on and play, I could have done that and decided to go to University of Arizona.

I was number two in the country when I got there.

And I was never going to play at University of Arizona and decided I was just going to go have a great college education or have a lot of fun, too.

Yeah, University of Arizona is a place to have it.

Let's just call it a college experience.

And in my second week on campus, there was an opportunity to see a movie for free.

And you remember being in college, anything for free you're jumping on. Oh, yeah.
And it was the movie Last of the Mohicans that was directed by Michael Mann and starred Daniel Day-Lewis. And I went to the movie.
I was so blown away by it. I took three steps out of the theater.
I grabbed my friend, Garrett Feldman, by the arm. I said, hey, listen, I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to be in the movie business.
That was my freshman year. And so I really dedicated everything I had to learning everything I could about it it worked really hard to get some internships in the summertime when i was home and this was late 90s you know this was yeah 1990 i graduated in 1996 but we're talking 94 95 yeah you're dating yourself this is pre-iPhone stuff hey listen i just turned 50 years old i'm good with it yeah your first contract was with the hammer and the chisel but you're not kidding i mean listen mean, listen, there was no internet.
Okay. There was no email.
I didn't have a cell phone. Nobody was texting people.
Right. And so if you're going to go out and try to get a job, you got to be really creative about it.
And so I would spend my days, you know, driving, delivering assistants who work for people, cookies and cakes and things like that, just so I can get my resume on their boss's desk and getting people's fax machine numbers in their home and writing them faxes. So that was the last thing they would check at night, the way we check our cell phones now.
Back then, they would go check their fax machine. They'd get a letter from some kid trying to get an internship.
And that led me to some great things. I'll spare you the rest of the details, but I'll tell you this.
I never thought I was gonna be an agent. I use the word never probably 50 times which is the greatest lesson right everybody always says never say never um and i really went through the whole process it's true my first job out of college i was selling american movies uh overseas and i learned about making deals with people and learning how to communicate because a lot of times i was making deals with people who were speaking different languages from all over the world yeah um and i loved it and i loved I loved deal making and I knew I was pretty good at it.
But I also know I wanted to be in the core of the entertainment business. I wanted to be at a management company or an agency because that's really kind of the nucleus of everything and found my way in.
And I had a short run as a manager first for three years, which is a little bit more personal relationship with the clients.

So somebody else is an agent you're managing?

Exactly. Exactly.
You're kind of the quarterback or the CEO for the talent and making sure that all the parts of their business are running smoothly. Everything from the agent to the publicist to the lawyers to the business managers who handle the finance.
the agent side of the business is you're really the deal maker and you're the one who goes out

and is responsible for getting the jobs that the talent ends up procuring um and you're in charge of sculpting a career and for me it was a really really exciting thing it gave me the opportunity to do all the things that i think i do really really well um and and for me it's been building plat taking people who have a big platform yeah dwayne johnson is a great example right started off as a wrestler was known for that but picked it up and became a movie star and built that platform so big that it turns into a tequila you know magnate and uh the most followed man probably in america on social media yeah i mean i think he's second only to uh cristiano ronaldo and to total followers yeah and and early on he wasn't a big fan of getting on social media it It's true. He's talked about that.
He's talked about that a lot. He didn't really think that that, you know, maybe was for him at that time.
But boy, he turned that around. And what he does on social media is incredible.
You know, it's funny. My father has a saying.
He says, life is what happens to you when you're on your way to doing something else, which sounds very fitting for, you know, your career path. But I was doing some digging and I found a really interesting story on you.
And you talked about how in one of your initial interviews, you said, I'm going to be the most untraditional agent ever. And I think it spooked the other side.
You talked about this. And so I was a right? For, for, for you to kind of be in an interview with it.
And this was back when WME was like a very traditional agency. Exactly.
For like, I love that you found that by the way. Um, but I, so it was, it was the original William Morris agency before the merger with Endeavor.
So before WME. R-E-Mannual and.
Exactly. So this was William Morris and I I must it was around 2003 and I had been a manager so I was never trained really as an agent by the book and the old William Morris was the New York Yankees of agencies right it was traditional and everybody who was running the place at the time was traditional and that was not me I didn't first of all I didn't think that I could compete at the level of some people, if I was just going to go apples for apples and be traditional, I want to do something different.
And, and I also learned, um, from a legend in the business named Michael Ovitz, he was talking about personal handheld devices when I was, you know, starting out in 1998 saying soon the world is going to feel this big because you're going to be watching television, buying things, talking to your friends, answering emails all on one thing in the palm of your hand. And a lot of people were like, I don't really know about that.
I just want to put people in movies and TV. And I was like, no, that's how you can create global stars.
And so I think that that led me on this path where I wanted to be a little bit of a trailblazer, I guess, and be like, it's OK for a movie star to be in a television commercial instead of just doing it for some obscure bank in Tokyo. It's OK for a movie star to do a television show, to be in a TV show or a reality show, you know, or produce or own their own business, be an entrepreneur.
And that's led to a lot of great things. And I think that's a big part of what I do.
Like I said, I take people who are known for one platform and then expand that thing and try to turn it into an enterprise. Yeah.
And I think you talked about how, you know, initially there was this scarcity mindset. Like if, if you became too available to your audience, people actually wouldn't want to go see you in the movie theater because you wanted to drive people to the movie theater if you were representing an actor because that was the way that you got access to that talent.
But your mindset was a lot different. And you embraced the technology.
You even encouraged the talent that you were working with to expand their horizons. Just like you said, maybe we should do a, I've heard you talk about, you know, global credit card commercial that's going to be translated into all of these languages.
Why not? And increasing the exposure. Exactly.
And I think people understand and embrace that now. Obviously, social media is a vehicle.
It's my vehicle. It's a vehicle for all of us to gain exposure and sort of circumvent the system, go directly to our audience.
Yeah, there was a saying, I think it was Sidney said it i'm pretty sure if they can see you if the audience can see you monday through thursday they'll never pay to see you friday and saturday right right such an archaic mentality now well i mean in that era i get it you know that's the that's how it was and then that has kind of shifted i think now it's like if they don't and blockbuster thought sure and if they don't see you now monday through thursday if they don't really know you and they're not invested in you and you're not totally authentic to them then they probably won't come to see you friday saturday either or anywhere else yeah you know so it's definitely shifted and that's the one of the great things about our business it's always evolving and we got to try to stay up and stay contemporary in it and keep your finger on the pulse of culture and so so, and now you get your finger on the pulse of the biggest names in the world, the Kardashians, you know, Eva Longoria, like we just mentioned, talk to me a little bit about how you're expanding your career as an, I think most people watching this that don't understand how Hollywood works and don't understand how talent management agencies really work. It seems like a very, you know, it's a very nebulous concept to a lot of people.
How do you branch from entertainment into also sports? And not only just branch into sports, but at such a high level, what is the value proposition like you're bringing to the table? I think that the worlds have merged so much between entertainment and sports. And to be clear, when I deal with athletes, I don't do any of their on court, on field in the octagon deals.
That's for them. Right.
Right. That's what they do over there.
I started to look at them and say, you know what, there's a, there's a large handful or, or a certain percentage of athletes in across many different sports that have the opportunity to cross over and come out of their sport and be successful in the movie business or the television business or the brand business and endorsement business, the venture capital world. And that's kind of what you're referring to.
Listen, I met Ronda Rousey when she was virtually living out of her car here in Venice Beach before there were women in the UFC. And that's how my relationship with Dana started because when he decided to partner really with her and launch that women's division in the UFC, that was- She just literally arm barred her way through the UFC.
I remember watching her. And I was around for every step of that, but really believed that she was so unique that there was a hole in the marketplace for somebody like her.
And then translated into some really good movies for her television she's a new york times best-selling author she's now a screenwriter she's just adapted is she really yes her her book um my fight your fight she adapted into a movie and she she just wrote the script for it and you know and sold it recently to netflix and and i, then she had the career in the WWE.

And so all of those things are incredible.

And there's athletes out there that have the opportunity

and the talent to cross over if they choose

to do a lot of different things

outside of what they do in their day job,

which is a great athlete.

I gotta imagine that an athlete,

somebody like Ronda Rousey

has a sphere of influence around them.

And I've found, I won't name any names names but i've worked with a lot of entertainers celebrities um sports figures and initially at least with my engagement with them they're very forward thinking they're like gary i really want to work with you i um you know um i usually connect with them directly and then within a few weeks i run

into that sphere that's not as welcoming as as they are and and it's not really excited about

inviting you in um to that that inner circle especially as something as personal as blood work genetic testing supplementation like you know um you know finding out what's really making that. And I got to imagine that you coming in from the talent agency side and, you know, running into an athlete that you feel could make this crossover, there's got to be a political quagmire there that you got to navigate to get to that athlete.
I mean, I 100% know what you're talking about. And sure, that makes sense.
But but you know what if you can't get through that and you can't find a partnership and fit into the team and assimilate with the people that either have been there for a long time around them and have them accept you and you accept them it either works or it's not going to work and yeah and if it's not going to work then no business is going to get done yeah i have this term that tide raises all boats i mean i i think it you know just learning how to negotiate that and and say listen i'm i'm here to create a win-win i'm not here to take your talent away from you i'm here to to enhance what your talent is already right we're just trying to build life yeah so that's that that's incredible but so let's let's let's jump back to our our our journey our journey together because I really have enjoyed this journey. I'm the best.
I've enjoyed it so much. Getting to know you.
You're an amazing human. We were talking before the podcast today how you're a great grandfather in the cold plunging world.
I'll take that. That's, man, thank i was doing i was doing some you know background

for the podcast and i was like dude guys on a on a show in 2022 like talking about how he's cold plunging in his pool yeah um true and you know before cold plunging was cool um and that's one of the components of what we do but um i think there's so many people listening to this podcast that are where you were and they may not know. They want to, you know, they have a destination they want to get to.
They want to lose weight. They actually want to feel better.
They want to look better. They want to sleep better.
In your case, do you mind if we just open up the covers a little bit? That's why we're here. Let her rip.
Yeah. I mean, we can always cut it out, you know.
But when we met, you had a very typical setup for somebody burning the candle at both ends, you know, in a high stress career, raising a family, being a father, being a husband, being, you know, the breadwinner and career oriented, and also having big aspirations for your career, not sort of having settled down and it's okay, it's just nine to five. I mean, your ball's out.
But your physiology wasn't keeping up. That was your limiting factor.
That was the ball and chain was your own physiology. And I remember when we went through the blood work at the first time, and for the record, I'm not a physician.
We had a team of medical doctors that were involved in your case too. When we went through the blood work and the genetic testing for the first time, your adrenals were fried, right? Cortisol was through the roof.
You're running on adrenaline, pre-diabetic. I think you were 50 pounds heavier than you are today.
Yeah, 50. And very typical know, very typical setup, elevated cholesterol, elevated triglycerides, insulin resistant, you know, all of these things.
And I personally get really excited when I see that stage set because I feel like I can see your future. I know exactly where you're going to be in 10 or 12 weeks.
And I know that if we can set this hook, right, this is going to be the trajectory for the rest of your life. So talk a little bit about that journey and what it's been for you.
Yeah. I mean, it's been incredible.
Listen, I think I was just about to turn 49 and probably just chalking everything up to like, I guess this is what happens when you're you know approaching 50 everybody does a little bit um but also it didn't it just didn't feel right like i didn't feel horrible there wasn't like one thing where i'm like something's wrong yeah yeah i'm not going to the er totally but i just knew i wasn't myself um well physically i mean i was 50 pounds heavier so let's start there yeah you know I was like 250 I still have that vision of you the night that we met and you look I have a picture of it which I sent to you guys and feel free to throw it up on here yeah I was 255 pounds which is just like I can't I couldn't even believe that I got there but listen um COVID happened we're all in our homes I was working out a lot was like getting on my bike. I was riding like 125 miles a week in the beginning.
I was feeling good. I was in good shape.
You know, I was a proponent, like, you know, the vaccines. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go get the shot.
Got the first one. Fine.
Whatever. Second one.
Yeah. You know, and I have the card and I know when I got and I can go back and look at photos and like the progression, like things just weren't right.
Like it didn't matter. All of a sudden my injuries started popping back.
I had body pain, a lot more inflammation. I was gaining weight, gaining weight, gaining weight.
And it didn't matter what I cut out of my diet. You could cut carbs, you know, for three weeks, couldn't lose a pound.
Yeah. Work out like an animal, couldn't drop a pound.

And it just felt like someone pulled the plug, like the switch was off.

And just, you know, something, it didn't feel right.

I didn't feel myself.

And we talked about this earlier.

I am big energy all the time.

I, I'm like, I always feel good.

I'm always going to, you asked me how many, I'm great.

And I, you know, and I believe that like, but, um, and then we meet and I start learning from you and you just have this gift of how you should speak English. It makes sense.
Yeah. You talk about getting to the root cause of the problem instead of treating people, you know, for their ailments, you're treating people for their deficiencies.
And so you look at my blood tests and there are things that were just like jumping off the page. Right.
And my vitamin D is through the floor. Yes.
Okay. Well, I guess someone could have told me about that.
I've been pretty good. I've, I've had doctors.
It was on a lot of your previous blood tests. Yeah.
You know, it was vitamin B super low, but then I start learning what, and you and your team are explaining to me, like what it means, what effect it can have on you if your vitamin D is as low as mine is and how vitamin D controls your gut. Well, your gut's connected to your brain and now your cortisol levels and all this thing.
Well, I'm like, oh, so that's why my cortisol is at 26. That's why I'm like more- 26, by the way, guys, if you don't know the cortisol range.
Yeah. It shouldn't be outside of about 19, but yeah.
And so that know things are i'm more stressed out than usual and you know a little bit more you know anxiety and things like that and it's all tying together um and then you know i start getting on the supplements and working out simply by the way simple weight program you know 35 40 minutes weights in my backyard which i made. I'm like, I'm not doing this with the trainer.
All the discipline is going to be on me because I wanted it to feel doable. Yeah.
Backyard, lifting weights, walking, 35 minutes of dad. Oh, I have more pictures of this man with his shirt off on my phone.
Listen, I did the work. I had to show to somebody.
You were so fired up man i was i was into it and and um you know trying to walk simple you know six days a week get it out there as many as i could and i remember where i was standing literally i can go to the spot in my backyard one day when i go oh my god i feel totally different i actually getting goosebumps, man. I love hearing that.
Yeah, I remember. And it's like space opened up in my head.
And it's been like that now for 14 months, and just continue to work, continue to work, and stay on it. And I have to say, it's so doable.
It really, really is. Listen, there's no magic pill.
You have to- Can't supplement your way around a bad diet i totally agree you cannot and you know i did listen i remember i started uh two weeks in and then i went to italy on vacation and it is not easy to go to italy not have pasta not have pizza and do all the things but i'm like you know what if i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do this and so i lot of prosciutto and a lot of steak while I was in there and no red wine on that trip. And then you know what? You can do that.
You can have a pretty good, you can eat just fine. And my whole lifestyle really changed because of it.
And I feel better than I ever have. And it's all due to, listen, I had never taken vitamins in my life i was i'd never taken

a multivitamin or anything and then we can talk about you know the genetic you know yeah we did

the genetic test you have the motherfucker gene i do i do too so i can affectionately a lot of people do yeah um what is it 44 44 of the population has it and i remember you know in some of our initial conversations when we were talking about the myriad of things that appeared to be wrong, right? And I think a lot of people think about these things as spokes on a wheel, right? They're like, I have this mental issue. I have this sleep issue.
I have this weight issue. I have this energy issue.
I have a focus concentration issue. You know, I have all of these different issues.
And what I was able to convince you was that you didn't have ten problems. Right.
You had one problem causing ten symptoms.

Mm-hmm. different issues and and and what i was able to convince you was that you didn't have 10 problems right you had one problem causing 10 symptoms and you were you were so engaged in that concept and you were like man that makes so much sense it gives me so much hope and you bought all in i said give me 10 weeks and the 10 at the end of 10 weeks if you want to go back to what you're doing, go back to what you're doing.
Because I know that you're not. And we started.
And, you know, every week I was getting the updates from you. I remember the update around the time you're talking about in your backyard where, like, you had this epiphany.
And then you were kind of all in. You were like, you know, that person that found religion.
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Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human podcast. One of the other challenges that you had too was you were considering shoulder surgery.
Yeah. And you had a frozen shoulder and you couldn't rotate your arm.
You couldn't put your hand behind your back without extreme pain. And we talked about before having shoulder surgery, maybe one of the things we should look at are these stem cell and exosome injections.

And I remember flying out here with Dr. Sarda, our clinic director.
She's incredible. She's amazing.
Shout out to Dr. Sarda.
Yeah, sure. She's amazing.
She's a board certified OBGYN. She's delivered, I think, 9,000 babies.
And she's one of those people just constantly educating herself going to continue uh education courses she's got two master's degrees but i can't say enough about that woman but um i said i'm gonna fly dr sarda out here and we're gonna do these you know stem cell and exosome injections into into the joint she brought her um ultrasound out we started you know we ultrasounded the shoulder. She put you through some orthopedic tests.
But the funniest thing was, um, we were in your, um, library at your house, your, your office. We do the, we do the, the injections, um, you know, in the shoulder.
And then she's like, okay, raise your arm. And I remember you could only get your arm to about here about here and then you raised it straight up then you popped up out of the chair and you started bouncing around the room you started tucking your hand behind your back and she's like no no no don't don't overdo it stop yeah yeah it was listen major epiphany for you it i mean in my wife and everybody knows that i'm i can exaggerate.
But let me tell you how bad my shoulder was. Years of injuries, starting with baseball.
Oh, you couldn't sleep. No.
For 12 years straight, okay, I would wake up three times a night. Shoulder would be locked.
My entire arm would be asleep. Had to wake up, shake it out, try to fall back asleep at least three times a night.
times a night wow reaching for the shower head it felt some you know on some days like it could slip out at any time i was living through chronic pain every single day and continuing to like do jujitsu and you know muay thai and do those things and try to find ways to train through your purple belt right what's that you're a purple belt. I'm purple, yeah.
And so it was so brutal.

And I'd seen the best of the best shoulder guys, all who told me, you have to have shoulder replacement.

And I was like, there's no way.

I'm just not doing it.

I'm not going to have shoulder replacement surgery.

I'm not going to take myself out of whatever.

I'd probably be terrible with the rehab because I just know that I would.

And I'm not doing it. And then know comes you educating me about exosomes and you guys come do that the house series of shots you know around the joint or into the joint this is crazy no one will probably believe it but the first night the first night i think i slept through the night yes i remember This is almost a year ago now ago the whole team yeah i just to put on like a suit jacket for me would take like 30 seconds extra just to like get my arm like in the hole normally and um and my listen it didn't heal the injury i still have the injury it's there but i have no pain during the day i can move freely i my wallet now on the right side.
You know, when I put my hand on back and lift my arm, I sleep so much better. I'm lifting more weight than, you know, like I probably like I did in high school with no pain.
So the quality of life because of it is so much. And by the way, chronic pain for anybody who's gone through it, like that takes its toll oh it'll it'll wear down the strongest uh you know human beings on the planet i've seen it i've seen it you know it's it's like it's like that relentless sandpaper it's like what do they say like the water over the rock you know eventually the water wins right i mean the rock is just stable but it will erode that rock it will just erode you know your willpower just this is done for me i don't even think about my shoulder during the day anymore and there will be times i could just be sitting at my desk and be like man this is open the weather we get cold because obviously you know arthritis and whatever it would just it it's an amazing science you know to quote you it's just science yeah Yeah, it's just science.
And I know it's getting more and more data and getting more and more popular. But boy, what it's done for my situation has been a real, real game changer.
And you know what's interesting about these stem cells, exosomes, is they're really just harnessing the body's ability to heal itself. You know, I talk a lot about believing more in what God gave us than what man makes us.
Meaning if we can enhance what God gave us, if we can strengthen our immune system and let the immune system do the fight, if we can actually return our physiology back to where it's supposed to be and allow our physiology to walk our way out of this, if we can, you know, examine the body and find the deficiency and make up the deficiency this is when magic happens in human beings right absolutely i mean what i've learned from you sorry yeah no no it happened in your case yeah in all i mean the show even listen we didn't i had high blood pressure yep i was on cholesterol you know my cholesterol was high you know listen i would poor stephanie martinez i'd be taking pictures she's our nurse by the way of my she's another i like love taking my blood pressure i do it every single morning and i'm like always screenshotting and sending me look at this to me you know like and um but that i think is a direct result of you know the vitamin d being back up obviously the weight coming off yeah too but i'm not on blood pressure no medication anymore that's so awesome man you You know, not on and i take i literally and i monitor it daily i'm not talking like three times every single day just kind of for sport but also just to like you know to to see it's great you know incentive to keep yeah on this and i remember i mean and for the record i don't take people off of blood pressure medication the clinical team does but i I remember when there's always this point where people start getting on the supplements for deficiency. Very often they have high levels of homocysteine, which you actually did have.
And when they have high levels of homocysteine, there's a correlation to these vascular spasms, you know, the clamping down of the arteries. I think a lot of people don't realize that about 70% of our circulation is not actually done by the heart.
It's done by an activity called vasomotor and like a snake swallowing a mouse. And when this vasomotor activity is compromised, when you make the pipes smaller in a fixed system, pressure goes up.
So as we relax those, and again, if you don't mind, I'll just talk about some of the supplements you were on.

I mean, they're everyday supplements, resveratrol.

Buy them all most of them off Amazon.

Yeah.

Not that, but yeah.

Yeah, resveratrol, trimethylglycine, which is an amino acid that the clinical team put you on.

I remember watching your cortisol levels start falling, your triglyceride, the measure of your blood fat, start to fall.

I remember watching your homocysteine plummet from the high double digits into the low single digits. And week over week, as we got to the 12-week mark, which is I think where we did the first set of blood work, when it came back in and I talked to Dr.
Sartre, like we couldn't wait to get on the phone with you because I was like, i know based on this paper how good you're feeling

and of course you know it it was i had the i had the shirtless pictures to prove it um that were coming in and i had the i had the uh the blood pressure update which i mean that to me is is chicken soup for the soul because i think so many people watching this podcast are on the pharmaceutical hamster wheel. Yeah.
And they don't know how to get off because they are seeing highly qualified, well-credentialed physicians that are saying, this is the rest of your life, right? This is permanent. You have this genetically inherited condition.
You have this familial disease. And once you accept that accept that then you accept that you need to be on a lifetime of medication which which you didn't um yeah and i think it's just so to me what's so cool is that you know most of the stuff like you said is either vitamins and supplements that i'm getting from you guys yeah because they're great or i'm buying an amazon yeah no chemicals no synthetics no pharmaceuticals and and you know we are in this world hey yo you feel it take this you feel like and i'm talking about friends not even just like doctors oh you should take this i take well what's good for you might not be good for me right you know the folic acid thing is very real yeah i get so hammered by that you know there's so many doctors on social media that are like he's fear-mongering folic acid folic acid is not bad for anybody folic acid is a man-made chemical that doesn't exist in nature it does not exist anywhere on the surface of the earth and it is simple to get out of your diet and if you have the mthfr gene mutation do, and 44% of the people watching this podcast have, just try it.
Don't even take my word for it. This is not a difficult experiment.
Get the fortified or enriched foods out of your life for one week. This isn't even like a hardcore dogmatic diet.
It's not vegan, vegetarian, paleo, keto, pescatarian. This is just get the fortified or enriched foods out

of your diet for a week i have moms and dads literally all over the world like i'll walk through an airport now or i'll get on a commercial flight or i'll go to a restaurant and somebody was always coming up to me going oh my god carrie i you know i didn't do your test i haven't done your blood work i've never done anything with your clinical team but i watched this podcast strip folic acid out of my kid's diet and out of my diet.

My kids are not a full contact sport to get them in the car to go to school in the morning. And I remember you talking about the mental clarity and everything.
And I wanna sort of shift that direction now. What has this shift in your health done for your career, your mental health.
And, you know, I know that mental health is on the forefront of so many people's minds right now. I think very often they feel trapped.
They don't realize that what they're putting in their bodies can actually cause the conditions that they're facing upstairs. It's always interesting to me how a lot of modern medicine will look at this being completely separate from this.
It's almost like this is over here, not connected to the rest of this. And you said it very eloquently in the beginning of the podcast, once we start fixing the gut, all of a sudden, mood and emotion and mental clarity, focus, concentration, which you were really struggling with from the beginning yeah so the light comes back on listen i don't think you have to like have a mental illness to focus on your mental health i hate the term mental illness you know right and i think we all there's so much coming at us everybody every second whether it's your tv or your phones your thing or your life or your whatever your job um and so for me i mean like i said there was it's like the space really really opened up in my head where everything became a lot more clear but you guys say it all the time and and you know sage says it all the time both you like whatever normal's supposed to feel like, that's what I feel.
Yeah. Like, you're never going to hear me be like, oh, my God.
I'm like, it's like euphoric. And I'm running around.
And I can go feel like it's not that. I feel normal.
Yeah. And then I can go function the way I want to.
And there are definitely things that used to get me worked up, like really worked up. Yeah.
And I have definitely, you know, listen, all of our lives are, you know, peaks and valleys and, and, and, and I trust me,

I've had plenty of valleys. Um, but I deal with things much differently now and I can,

and I can feel it. Yeah.
I can, I literally sometimes I don't want to say I welcome it,

but sometimes I do. Cause I'm like, you know what? I'm being tested right now,

but I've been doing all the things to take care of myself i'm i'm ready for this test yeah i'm good to go okay let's go yeah you know and so you mean like when those stressors come into your life and you're like okay this situation is not working out the way that i wanted to but i actually have the mental fortitude to get through this and i'm going to problem solve rather than lose my cool. Yeah.
I feel, I feel a lot more confident in, in, in those types of situations, knowing that I've, I've been working really hard to take care of myself and, and it's, um, I think it's important. Yeah.
Well now, I mean, it's clearly a priority of yours. I mean, down 50 pounds.
I mean, just, we, we, again, we were talking before the camera started rolling about, you know know you're in the gym and you pick up that 45 pound weight and you go to throw it on the bench press and you're like whoa wait a second yeah i was carrying that around i was literally carrying this or i was sleeping with this on my chest yeah you know i was going to the office with this i was coming home i was trying to chase the kids around with this thing on my backpack no wonder i was always exhausted and fatigued and edgy. And I think people may not have a vision of how close normal is to them.
You know, you may be a few minerals, vitamins, amino acids, you know, simple nutrients away from truly feeling normal. I say it all the time and you really eloquently shaped it that people will, oh, my God, Gary, I feel amazing.
And I'm like, you don't really feel amazing. You feel normal.
You just accepted such an erosion of your baseline sense of normalcy that you think this is what normal feels like. Right.
But normal's amazing, man. God wants us to thrive.
We're supposed to have it all, right? The girl, the car, the fortune, the career, the happiness, the sleep, the libido, the energy. We're supposed to have it all right the girl the car the fortune the career the happiness the sleep the libido the energy we're supposed to have it all that's what human beings were put on this earth to do was to thrive and i think when people's physiology begins to be eroded what happens is your your physiology drags you into the place where it most comfortably exists and it's not where you most comfortably exist where your physiology is and i And I think restoring that is, I mean, that's a mission that I'm on.
It's a message that I'm committed to. And you truly exemplify that.
Appreciate it. So, you know, I want to get back to your career because I think it is so applicable to, you know, so many different industries.
You take this non-raditional career path. But now that you're a senior talent agent at one of the biggest talent agencies in the world, and you are managing some of the most iconic talent on the planet, I've got to think that staying there is just as hard as getting there, right? Like, how do you continue to provide value to people of that caliber? I mean, how do you stay relevant with a Kim Kardashian? How do you stay relevant with a Dwayne Johnson? Because from my myopic view, if I'm in their position, listen, if you're not providing value, go find it somewhere else.

You've had a long, sustained career. And I'd love to get into the mindset, the mentality, the practices that are keeping you where you are.
Yeah, I think, you know, first of all, it's good to have young kids. I have twins that are 13 years old.
I've never heard someone say that's the secret to success. You want to know what's cool.

It's more about staying relevant to know what's cool,

it's more about staying relevant

and understanding what's going on in culture, right?

And seeing where trends go

and what people, not just in California and New York,

are doing, but people in the middle of our country too,

like what movies they're going to

and what TV shows they're into

and what products they are excited about. It's really paying attention to those things and trying to embrace the change.
We've been through so much of it, right? I mean, if I were to tell you, I don't even know, what was it, 15 years ago, that subscription thing for the DVDs called Netflix where you could get three sent to your three sent to your house as soon as you're done watching you could send them back you get three more if at that time i was like and by the way in about 10 to 15 years from then they're gonna have a whole channel that's all you're gonna watch movies and television on you would be like what are you been talking about you know um and streaming's you know it's changed a lot of things. Yeah.
But it's okay. Like, you know, like.
But I feel like you've got to be on the forefront of that so that you've got to be, at the level of talent that you're managing, you've got to be bringing things to them before they bring it to you so you don't feel like you're being reactionary. You're being proactive.
Listen, you, you. Hey, Dwayne, we got to get on this wave.
Listen, I think that, you know, when you're being reactionary you're being proactive like you you duane we gotta we gotta get on this wave listen i think that you know when you're fortunate enough to be in any client that you represents live it's because there's a matter of trust there right that you're gonna have their best interest in heart and that their businesses are as important to you uh as they are to them if not more yeah and so that's our job we have to be out in front of those things and we have to be curious continue to be curious and do things like that are untraditional and you know do things a little bit differently not be scared of that and be okay taking um you know calculated risks yeah you know it's funny you say you know curious i think intellectual curiosity is one of the greatest emotions we can possess because it makes you a passionate person because you like i'm i have a childlike fascination with science and human physiology and the human body and and i feel so blessed to be in the industry that i'm in because i i want to read it and study it and learn about it for sport you know like when i when I'm on vacation, that's what I'm doing. Like that is my downtime.
Like I've sort of meshed the, you know, the career path and the intellectual curiosity with my deep fascination. And I feel really, really blessed that they all come together.
And I sort of blurred the lines between, you know, work and play. And I've got to imagine for you a little bit of that is the same thing i mean you're an amazing people person i mean it's coming out on the podcast for sure you can just see your hair is 50 pounds lighter and yeah i mean you're a great you're a great people person so you've got to enjoy that interaction and truly i've gotten to know a lot of your clients as people behind the scenes and they're they're great human beings um kim kardashians is a great she's a great person i mean i think duane is an unbelievable person and what you see on the screen is quite honestly what you kind of see behind the screen he's one of those people um that's also like has a childlike fascination with the human body and performance and health and wellness and like like like i think if you were to ask him he'd say my best days are ahead of me right you're like how are you going to beat what i just saw right like the most iconic you know actor in hollywood you know wwe star you know social media guru, he's like, he resting, right? He's not putting it in neutral.
He's pressing on the gas. He works really hard.
So that must be inspiring to you too. It is.
I mean, you're fortunate enough to work with really, really great talent. I took an acting class in college.
An acting class? One. Trust me.
It was so hard. I was so awful.
I was so awful that I immediately gained such a respect for talent. Oh, yeah.
And acting. But what really talented people possess.
And so I'm driven by their success. I want it so badly for them that it's personal to me.
Yeah. Their wins are your wins.
I just want to, yeah, I just want the best. I think that's our job as representatives, but I really do wear it on my sleeve i mean i do i i love the job i i always say to people there's um where i park my car at the at wme i have to like get up like six steps to the elevators and a lot of mornings i'll like run up the steps and i'm not like yes yeah i'm not late i'm just like i be there.
And the day that stops, then I know I'm probably going to have to, you know, go to high school baseball or something. You know, but listen, you have, and this goes for any job.
I don't care if you're a doctor, you have patients' lives in your hands. You know, firemen, police, like my job is not that, you know, is not that important.
Yeah. But I am responsible for people's livelihood, for their careers.

So I take that seriously.

Yeah, the passion.

And so it's my job to stay up on things and try to get the best opportunities that I can bring them all the time. We do our best at that.
And you obviously don't win every single time out, like anything in life. um you know and...
What do you think makes the difference

between a good actor and a great actor

or a good entertainer and a great entertainer?

I mean, you've been around a lot of greatness.

Right.

I mean, I think I talk about this all the time

with athletes, with celebrities,

with scientists, with career entrepreneurs. I think anybody could be great once, right? There used to be a show in Hollywood called like, Where Are They Now? Or the one hit Wonders, you know? And you're like, oh, I remember that song.
And then you're like, what did happen to that person? Oh, they're homeless behind a dumpster at Walmart. And what do you think keeps some of these people on the top of their game? Like what makes great talent? They're extraordinarily, extraordinary hard workers.
And I'm talking about like all the extra things. You know, used to hear this, you know, stories about, you know, just like athletes, you know, Kobe Bryant, when they were all at the Olympics, you know, guys were going out partying and they came home from the clubs and he was getting, he was getting in gym when they were coming home or on the court.
And I've seen the great, the great actors, the difference, those are the ones who are still working with acting coaches. They're not just like getting the job, still working with acting coaches.
Yeah. Showing up.
They don't just show up on the day that they're supposed to work. They are in there.
They're working with their coaches. They're watching other actors.
They're seeing other films. They are devouring other things to see and learn.
You know the difference. And you know what? Like now there's so much to choose from as a consumer.
You can turn on any, you know, you can go to the movies, you can turn on any platform, anything you can catch something you want to see pretty much anywhere. So back, you know, 10 years ago, good was good enough.
I don't think that just being good gets you there anymore. Now you got to be great to keep going and do all of those things.
You know, you have to be great all the time and And that's hard, but it's all the things that we're talking about. Trust me, they're not great if they're not taking care of themselves all the time, most likely, you know, if they're not working on their health and their mental health and all those things.
And you see what you're doing playing into the lives of a lot of athletes and entertainers and all these people who are like, I need that. I can't tell you how many yesterday I'm at lunch with somebody.
It's like, tell me more, you know, tell me more, tell me everything. And I'm telling him about you.
He's like, I need to meet him. I need, I've been feeling, I've been feeling this and I haven't, you know, I'm not, yeah, I need something.
I gotta, I gotta get better. I gotta get healthier.
Superhuman project right there. We'll talk about it after the podcast there you go but it happens all the time you know and that's you gotta work talk a little bit about your um how your day has changed like what are some of your favorite biohacking devices i love the fact that you're in a cold plunge um some of your favorite biohacking devices what's a typical day for brad slater look like now that was not a typical day for you i love i

love i love that you're asking um we didn't prepare these questions before the podcast just

you know it's funny i think i i just saw dana say it recently he might have said it on your

like he loves getting up in the morning like he can't wait to get up dude i'm the same way i'm

my wife not so much i um i am up at five now happily wow um i'll go downstairs let the dogs out grab coffee first um i know you don't get the coffee first you i think wait a little bit that's fine i go coffee uh water supplements you're in the baja gold you're in perfect aminos you have a hydrogen water bottle yeah you're all in yeah dude i left my hydrogen water bottle on a plane i'm going to give this one right here i'm so all right that's what you get for coming on today um i left it up recently i was really really sad it was i it was i might as well i would have been happier if i left my luggage you know the sad thing is when they clean that plane they threw it away because they looked at that and they were like i don't know what that is i know seriously i you could have lost my luggage and i would have been less upset than missing my water bottle. That's the truth.
That's awesome. But PEMP mat immediately for like 25 minutes.
The PMF. And then right into my infrared sauna that has a red light kind of tower in it.
So I'll turn on the red light first while the sauna is heating up. So I'll do 25 minutes with the red light.
And by the time that turns off, sun is at 170 or something like that so i'm in there for like another 25 minutes 30 minutes you know whatever sweat on raising your body temperature uh-huh and then immediately out cold plunge day um and then so usually i keep it at 45 degrees yep um 45 and i'll do that for most days three minutes and then sometimes i'll just do six just because um and uh and that's and then so i'm already done it's like it's like 6 15 by then and then but then you're my kids aren't even up yet right and i'm on i call it my drug of choice all the time nothing makes you feel better for longer i feel great yeah i'm totally ready to go and i always say this i'm sure you feel the same like the cold plunge never gets easier so that's like a real metaphor for the day like if you knock out the cold plunge what's going to be harder for you in your day than that zero the procrastination that goes into actually getting in it for me like i'll grab my phone i'll send 10 texts before yeah yeah yeah it's just like i don't and then you do and you're like yes i did it i feel so good let's go and then um and then i'll you know try to get you know i'll get a workout in um now i have a new like weight program that i've been doing three mornings a week and so i go somewhere to do it but it's really close by my home um so it's an hour and then uh or i walk yeah i love that it's you know the importance of self-care some people say oh that's just being selfish you know i'm like well putting yourself first is first is actually being very selfless because I'm sure, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, you feel that you are a better father. You probably feel that you are better able to serve your clients.
You're probably a better partner. I mean, it touches every sphere of your life.
Yeah. I think, and listen, by no means perfect, obviously.
All of us all of us you know i think majorly flawed i would hope that my kids say you know he's he has been better since he's been doing this you know i'm trying bad days but uh my wife you know who has to put up with me all the time with now she's you know cara's such a saint and uh and she's just started with you as well which is so great she's on the journey now. We can't just have one superhuman in the house.
No, come on. But no, I think there's ripple effects everywhere, right? It's like that thing.
You drop a pebble in the ocean and, you know. It goes out everywhere.
Yeah. What you've got to start adding to your morning routine is waking your spouse up with the ice-cold fingers out of the cold plunge.
I don't even. Wonders for a marriage.
I've been trying to get her in the cold, just to get in the cold plunge. it's i don't even wonders for a marriage i've

been trying to get her in the cold just to get in the cold plunge we'll get there that's a goal of

mine well i mean you know sage is sage is thin and she fought it for a long time and now it's like

her favorite thing you know she had an l5s1 fusion uh right right when we first started dating years ago and um you know depending on how she sleeps what kind of bed she sleeps and it you know, flares up and causes her a lot of pain. So now she's addicted to the cold plunge because, you know, sometimes even 30 seconds or a minute before we go to bed.
And she's very thin framed and she gets down in there and soaks that part of her body and lets the temperature cool down and gets the blood flow and then she you know she sleeps so much the

effects that that there's so many different things that the cold bunch can can help with it's unbelievable day to day i mean but the most fun for me is like honestly you find me a person i don't care what kind of mood they're in before they go in but after is still in a bad mood yeah this is so true i always say that you could be in a bad mood going in you're never in a bad mood getting out you can't you know you can't be you cannot you cannot get out and say i am so pissed angry about this right it's like isn't there i think you said it like you can't ever wake up you can't wake up laughing yeah you can't wake up laughing can't come out of a cold plunge pissed i like that dude i'm gonna adopt that now can't come out of a cold plunge piss you heard it here here first. It's yours.
It's fine. We have a shirt.
We got shirts. You know, what would you say to the folks that are watching this podcast that are in similar industries, right? I mean, we're all in the grind.
You know, what was the tipping point for you? And, you know, what mental resilience did you have to have to get through that first 10 weeks because i want people to know how close they are to feeling amazing yeah really feeling normal and if you go back to where you were right around the time that we met was there a like you said there was nothing going on that like i didn't want to go to the er right um you know it's like my arm was constantly numb and you know i couldn't move my fingers something it was but i think so many of us have accepted this erosion of our baseline sense of normalcy and we're walking around and we're like okay well i'm supposed to have brain fog because i'm old older you know i'm in my 40s i'm in my 50s i'm not supposed to remember names and dates and times and places i'm not supposed to remember where and dates and times and places. I'm not supposed to remember where my keys and wallet are.
You know, I'm not supposed to sleep that well. I'm supposed to have a little spare tire around the middle.
I'm supposed to feel stressed out and a little bit edgy. It's just part of getting old.
Like, what would you say to those people? And what, if anything, was a tipping point for you? Well, the Miami trip was definitely a tip. First of all, as we all know, there's no one more honest than Dana White.
Oh, yeah. And if he thinks that you, you know, might not be healthy.
I find it so crazy when people are like, Gary paid him to say that. I'm like, first of all, thank you for thinking I'm wealthy enough.
Right. To have the money to move David White's needle.
I just ripped that $100 million out of my savings account and threw it at Dana. He wasn't joking.
He said to me, he's like, you have to you have to do this. Like you're getting the bullfrog thing under your neck.
And I was like, oh, wow. You're like, you asshole.
No, no, no. How dare you? No, you know, but I, it is right there.
It is right within your reach. However, I think you have to really like take a look at yourself, literally.
Like you look in the mirror and go i'm i'm going taking two feet in it's not a toe it's not one foot it's two feet but you're not killing yourself doing it it's just do it commit to this give me give me the 10 weeks yeah give me the 10 weeks the things that are wrong with you that you're not that the reasons you're not feeling well you're going to give them things that should believe me that the all these things are reversible yeah for the most i mean you know they're they can be changed yeah you have to make a commitment you can do it you can look at 10 weeks on the calendar too i mean but it's not even thanksgiving yet i mean this podcast is probably going to air right around thanksgiving-ish two weeks um so is that thanksgiving no no it's before thanksgiving um which means that we're not even to thanksgiving yet before christmas you could be a different person like like that's a really achievable goal that's that's the other message that i really want to give people because a lot of times they look back you know at people that have this journey with me and they go, man, I just don't have a year to commit. And I'm like, no, no, no.
They only committed 10 weeks. They just didn't get off the band.
They got off the pharmaceutical hamster wheel and got on the supplement for deficiency wheel. And now it's their choice to not get off.
Well, you know I've sent a lot of people your way just like I know a lot of some very influential people a lot of your people have you know and i hear it all the time every i think it's like a competition going on like who sent more business to to you everyone's like how did this many um haven't met one yet that has called been like yeah it didn't work for me you know because again you're it's it's right there in front of you.

Here's where you're, here's your deficiencies.

Here's something that's going to, you know, help turn that around.

If you do it and you do it, get outside, move around.

Movement is like, go move around.

Yeah.

Watch what happens.

You know, it's not crazy.

You know, you just, you, but you have to be in. Yeah.
No, you, you can't do not a seven out of 10. Just be a 10 to 10.
No, you're not your energy doing isn't a 10 out of 10. You're just committed 10 out of 10.
Yeah. Commit.
Yeah. Like anything.
Yeah. I hear people talk about the necessity for discipline being more important than motivation.
You know, usually when people start this journey, they're not motivated. Right.
In fact, they're starting the journey because they don't have the motivation and also the knowledge listen someone said to me they said uh how is it possible that i know more about my car than my body wow the fluid levels in your vehicle and the fluid levels in your body heat so many so many viral snippets right like and so it's like okay go just get the blood test start there yeah like get it study you know you don't have to be obsessed i was crazy i'm you know reading everything i'm up every morning every single article reading every research paper that you post in the podcast yeah you don't have to do that just do the Yeah. No, I love it, man.
I love it.

So first of all, this has been amazing.

I want to have you back on the podcast.

Because I want to keep checking in on this journey.

I'm due for blood tests.

I'll be hounding you and Stephanie and Devin.

Oh, well, let's do it while we're here.

I split it.

We got a nurse here at the Airbnb.

Let's go.

By the way, we're at an Airbnb in LA for my birthday, my birthday is tomorrow, September 21st. But, uh, so you're like my birthday podcast.
Happy birthday. Um, but, um, you know, I, I, I love, you know, just checking in from time to time on the, on, on these journeys, but I, I sort of bring every podcast to, to a close by asking all my guests the same question.
There's no right or wrong answer to this question. And that is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human? Um, I think to me, it's how much can you give of yourself to get the best from others? Um, I love, wow.
I, I really love helping people. And I think that's, I get to do that every day in my job.
Um, I think that I've been lucky to be in a position that I can help people. Um, you know, whatever help needs, it could be the smallest thing to a big thing.
Um, but I love that. And so how can I, you know, to be an ultimate human, it means a lot.
I mean, it's not just health. It's what kind of person you are, you know, and, and I've all, and I try really, really hard.
I've always wanted to, um, be successful, but I always wanted to be a good person too. And I wouldn't trade the other one without the other.
I mean, I gotta say that you are a living embodiment of that because I've, I've never asked you, but you have voluntarily referred to me some of the most influential clients I've ever worked with. And I, I appreciate that endorsement because the greatest, you know, possession that you have is your reputation and your relationships.
And you've exposed a lot of those to me and put your reputation on the line for me. So I just want to publicly thank you for that.
Well, I mean, it's easy, first of all, because, you know, one of the things I love that I've loved about getting to know you is that, first of all, you've never pushed anything on me. You've never sold anything to me ever me ever but you know um and uh I think that's really important and I've also never heard you say a bad thing about anybody thank you yeah I don't believe that and I'm talking about other people in your field yeah yeah and I don't believe in the adage that I'm good because everybody else is bad you know a lot of my peers do but um you know I think you know it's funny even some of the guys that that that attack me you know make them make a uh career out of attacking me online i i look at them and i'm like you know what i actually don't think that guy's a bad guy um you know he's not a scumbag and a liar and fraud and a cheat um i think he's misguided in in in the way that you know he's building his career because he's or she is uh you know saying they're great because this person's bad um but i I try to find things in those people that are like hey we're actually both trying to do the same thing out in the world right make the world a better place so i try try not to attack them either but um dude you're a special person man and i i appreciate you coming on and sharing your story and being vulnerable because this is going to be the tipping point for somebody that's watching this podcast right now.
And if it is, guys, just commit. You don't even have to do it with me.
You don't have to do it with 10X Health or The Ultimate Human. Just make that commitment to get some data on your body, some blood work, some genetic testing, start supplementing for deficiency, not just the sake of supplementing, and see where it goes.
to do it right do you owe it to yourself you

got to do that do that just do that one thing yeah go from there awesome man brad thank you so much

brother you're you're a legend thank you for coming on you got to talk under the microphone

this is amazing we will have brad back on the on the podcast we're going to check in on him

in a couple of months but as always guys that's just science