103. Brad Slater: The 10-Week Journey to Ultimate Health & Performance

Speaker 1 How is it possible that I know more about my car than my body? Wow. This is crazy.
I was 255 pounds.

Speaker 1 All of a sudden, my injuries started popping back, a lot more inflammation, work out like an animal, couldn't drop a pound. And it just felt like someone pulled the plug, like the switch was off.

Speaker 1 It didn't feel right. And then along comes you educating me about your guts connected to your brain.
And so that explains why I'm more stressed out than usual. And it's all tying together.

Speaker 2 What has this shift in your health done for your career and and your mental health?

Speaker 1 I start getting on the supplements and working out, lifting weights, walking. I remember where I was standing.

Speaker 1 Literally, I can go to the spot in my backyard one day when I go, oh my God, I feel totally different.

Speaker 2 Really? I'm getting goosebumps, man.

Speaker 1 I love hearing that. I don't think you have to have a mental illness to focus on your mental health.

Speaker 1 All of our lives are peaks and valleys, but I deal with things much differently because I'm like, you know what? I'm being tested right now, but I've been doing all the things to take care of myself.

Speaker 1 I'm ready for this test.

Speaker 2 I think so many of us have accepted this erosion of our baseline sense of normalcy normalcy. and we're like, okay, well, I'm supposed to have brain fog because I'm old.

Speaker 2 What would you say to those people?

Speaker 1 You talk about getting to the root cause of the problem. Instead of treating people for their ailments, you're treating people for their

Speaker 1 ultimate human.

Speaker 2 Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecca, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between.

Speaker 2 And today you are in for a plot twist because we have a senior talent partner from WME on the show today, a good friend of mine that I've been on a health journey with for quite some time.

Speaker 2 Your list of clients in Hollywood is a who's who of who's who. Welcome to the show, Brad Slater.
Thanks up, brother.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 We've been wanting to run this for a while. I know.
This is a long time coming. It is such an honor to be here.

Speaker 1 I've been so excited about it from the moment that we met just about a year and a half ago.

Speaker 1 We met a year and a half ago.

Speaker 2 Actually, Dana White introduced us at Gecko in Miami.

Speaker 1 He did. He did.
It was,

Speaker 1 I'll tell you,

Speaker 1 it was just before that. I think it was March of that year, not last year, the year before.
I was with Dana in Las Vegas. We were watching the Las Vegas Aces play.
I represent Kelsey Plum.

Speaker 1 And it's a good friend of his, she's a good friend of his as well. And I saw Dana and I was like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 You look unbelievable. And he was just feeling so great.
And he said, I'm going to introduce you to Gary Brecca and it's going to change your life.

Speaker 1 And I said, well, tell me more, please, right now. And that was like during the game.

Speaker 1 And then a couple months later, we were in Miami and UFC had a big card there. And he said, we're going to dinner at Gecko and you're going to meet Gary Brecca.

Speaker 1 And I will never forget walking to the restaurant. meeting you.

Speaker 1 I was so excited because I had done some homework.

Speaker 2 You were pretty pumped. I was pumped.

Speaker 1 And you looked me me in the eyes. It was so nice.
And then you said,

Speaker 1 we're going to make you superhuman. And or said something like, I don't remember.
I'm going to get you on the protocol. But I took it like in my own crazy mind, like, oh my God, he thinks I'm sick.

Speaker 1 He thinks there's something wrong with me. I really do have to like.
I said, you're going to be my next superhuman project. That's what I said.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so after that weekend, I raced home. I was introduced to Stephanie Martinez, Devin.
I got my blood tested. I got the genetic test.

Speaker 1 You know, a couple weeks after that, I was hitting the ground running. But I can tell you during that time, Miami, I remember, you know, being with Dana and

Speaker 1 being out on a boat with Max Crosby, who I know has been on the podcast. And these guys are walking around with their shirts off.
And I'm like, mm-mm, not me. Shirt stays on.

Speaker 1 Not around these guys. I'm like, but I'm going to get there.
And I went to work. And, you know, it's just, it's been unbelievable.

Speaker 2 You actually really did go to work. And before I even get into your background, I mean, because I mean, you are an iconic force in Hollywood and in the talent management and agency business.

Speaker 2 And I want to talk about how you climbed that ladder because it was a very non-traditional route. You know, I've done my homework on you, too.
I mean, you were

Speaker 2 selling European movies or movies overseas.

Speaker 1 American films overseas. American films overseas.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 didn't actually go through the traditional ladder.

Speaker 2 I mean, you didn't,

Speaker 2 because in the back of my mind, sometimes when I look at other industries, I'm always fascinated by how does somebody get into that? Right.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 to me,

Speaker 2 Hollywood, entertainment, sports management, talent management, being a talent agent, that to me represents one of the most competitive industries in the world simply because you got a lot of egos, you got a lot of people with connections, crazy connections, you got a lot of people with money, and you have a lot of people, like all of your clients have choice, right?

Speaker 2 Dwayne DeRock Johnson, you know, Eva Longoria, you know, these are some of the most iconic names, figures in the world of sports, entertainment,

Speaker 2 you know, just the level of celebrity status. So you've got to be relevant to them and you got to provide value.
For sure. Right.

Speaker 1 Because if you don't, somebody else sure sells that goal.

Speaker 1 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 So I want to circle back around to our health journey together because it's a health podcast, but I also want to talk about your journey, climbing the ladder, because to me, that is fascinating.

Speaker 2 And I think it's so applicable to any other industry, whether you're an entrepreneur starting a tech company, whether you've got a passion and a purpose and you're starting out and you've got big forces against you.

Speaker 2 But talk a little bit about how you got into the talent agency world and became like literally the, if not one of the top talent agents in the world.

Speaker 1 Well, I appreciate that. It is an untraditional.
journey for me for sure. And I think everything in my life has been untraditional.
I'm actually super proud of that.

Speaker 1 Listen, I was born and raised in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 And I know that Hollywood is kind of all around, but I really, I had no ties to the business at all. I didn't have, you know, my parents weren't involved in the business at all.

Speaker 1 I didn't have any family.

Speaker 2 That's the thing that fascinated me, right? You didn't have a path to follow.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I really didn't. And no aunts and uncles or even friends whose parents were in the business.
It just really wasn't around for me.

Speaker 1 But. I always loved movies and television.
I was an athlete first. And like every young guy, I mean, I thought I was going to play professional sports.
That was really my dream.

Speaker 1 I was a baseball player and took it pretty far, you know, in high school and had some opportunities to play in college. Nothing big time, but had I wanted to go on and play, I could have done that.

Speaker 1 decided to go to University of Arizona. I was number two in the country when I got there.

Speaker 1 And I was never going to play at the University of Arizona and decided I was just going to go have a great college education or have a lot of fun too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, University of Arizona is a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 Let's just call it a college experience. And in my second week on campus, there was an opportunity to see a movie for free.
And you remember being in college, anything for free you're jumping on.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And it was the movie Last of the Mohicans that was directed by Michael Mann.
It starred Daniel Day-Lewis. And I went to the movie.
I was so blown away by it.

Speaker 1 I took three steps out of the theater. I grabbed my friend Garrett Feldman by the arm.
I said, hey, listen, I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to be in the movie business.

Speaker 1 That was my freshman year. And so I really dedicated everything I had to learning everything I could about it.

Speaker 1 Worked really hard to get some internships in the summertime when I was home. and this was late 90s you know this was yeah 1990 i graduated in 1996 but we're talking 94 95.

Speaker 1 yeah you're dating yourself this is pre-ishing i'm good listen i just turned 50 years old i'm good with it yeah your first contract was with a hammer and a chisel but you're not kidding i mean listen there was no internet okay there was no email i didn't even have a cell phone nobody was texting people right and so if you were going to go out and try to get a job you got to be really creative about it.

Speaker 1 And so I would spend my days, you know, driving, delivering assistants who work for people, cookies and cakes and things like that, just so I can get my resume on their boss's desk and getting people's fax machine numbers in their home and writing them faxes.

Speaker 1 So that, you know, that was the last thing they would check at night, the way we check our cell phones now. Back then, they would go check their fax machine.

Speaker 1 They get a letter from some kid trying to get an internship. And that led me to some great things.

Speaker 1 You know, I'll spare you the rest of the details, but I'll tell you this. I never thought I was going to be an agent.
I used the word never probably 50 times, which is the greatest lesson.

Speaker 1 Everybody always says never, say never.

Speaker 1 I really went through the whole process. It's true.
My first job out of college, I was selling American movies overseas and I learned about making deals with people and learning how to communicate.

Speaker 1 Cause a lot of times I was making deals with people who are speaking different languages from all over the world.

Speaker 1 And I loved it and I loved deal making and I knew I was pretty good at it.

Speaker 1 But I also knew I wanted to be in the core of the entertainment business.

Speaker 1 I wanted to be at a management company or an agency because that's really kind of the nucleus of everything and found my way in and I had a short run as a manager first for three years, which is a little bit more personal relationship with the clients.

Speaker 2 So somebody else is an agent you're managing?

Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 You're kind of the quarterback or the CEO for the talent and making sure that all the parts of their business are running smoothly, everything from the agent to the publicist to the lawyers to the business managers who handle the finance.

Speaker 1 The agent side of the business is you're really the deal maker and you're the one who goes out and is responsible for getting the jobs that the talent ends up procuring.

Speaker 1 And you're in charge of sculpting a career. And for me, it was a really, really exciting thing.
It gave me the opportunity to do all the things that I think I do really, really well.

Speaker 1 And for me, it's been building plat, taking people who have a big platform. Dwayne Johnson's a great example, right?

Speaker 1 He started off as a wrestler, was known for that, but picked it up and became a movie star and built that platform so big that it turns into a tequila

Speaker 1 magnate.

Speaker 2 The most followed man probably in America on social media.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 And I think he's second only to Cristiano Ronaldo and to total followers. And early on, he wasn't a big fan of getting on social media.

Speaker 1 It's true. Yeah, he's talked about that.
He's talked about that a lot. He didn't really think that that, you know, maybe was for him at that time.
But boy, he turned that around.

Speaker 1 And what he does on social media is incredible.

Speaker 2 You know, it's funny. My father has a saying.
He says, life is what happens to you when you're on your way to doing something else, which sounds very...

Speaker 2 fitting for your you know your your career path.

Speaker 2 But I was doing some digging and I found a really interesting story on you and you talked talked about how in one of your initial interviews you said I'm gonna be the most untraditional agent ever

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 and I think it spooked the other side

Speaker 2 You know you you talked about this and

Speaker 1 so I was a little ballsy right for for for you to kind of be in an interview with it and this was back when WME was like a very traditional agency exactly for like I love that you found that by the way but I so I dug deep it was the original Willie Morris agency before the merger with endeavor so before

Speaker 1 manual and exactly so this was william morris and i must it was around 2003 and i had been a manager so i was never trained really as an agent by the book and the old william morris was the new york yankees of agencies right it was traditional and everybody who was running the place at the time was traditional and that was not me i didn't first of all i didn't think that i could compete at the level of some people if I was just going to go apples for apples and be traditional.

Speaker 1 I want want to do something different. And I also learned from a legend in the business named Michael Ovitz.

Speaker 1 He was talking about personal handheld devices when I was, you know, starting out in 1998, saying, soon the world is going to feel this big because you're going to be watching television, buying things, talking to your friends, answering your emails all on one thing in the palm of your hand.

Speaker 1 And a lot of people were like, I don't really know about that. I just want to put people in movies and TV.
And I was like, no, that's how you can create global stars.

Speaker 1 And so I think that that led me on this path where I wanted to be a little bit of a trailblazer, I guess, and be like, it's okay for a movie star to be in a television commercial instead of just doing it for some obscure bank in Tokyo.

Speaker 1 It's okay for a movie star to do a television show just to be in a TV show or a reality show, or produce or own their own business, be an entrepreneur.

Speaker 1 And that's led to a lot of great things. And I think that's a big part of what I do.

Speaker 1 Like I said, I take people who are known for one platform and then expand that thing and try to turn it into an enterprise.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I think that you talked about how, you know, initially there was this scarcity mindset.

Speaker 2 Like if you became too available to your audience, people actually wouldn't want to go see you in the movie theater because you wanted to drive people to the movie theater if you were representing an actor because that was the way that you got access to that talent.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 your mindset was a lot different. And, you know, you embraced the technology.
You even encouraged your,

Speaker 2 you know, the talent that you were working with to expand their horizons.

Speaker 2 Just like you said, maybe we should do a, I've heard you talk about, you know, a global credit card commercial that's going to be translated into all of these languages. Why not?

Speaker 2 And increasing the exposure.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 2 And I think people understand and embrace that now. Obviously, social media is a vehicle.
It's my vehicle.

Speaker 2 It's a vehicle for all of us to gain exposure and sort of circumvent the system, go directly to our audience.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there was a saying, I think it was Sidney Poitier who said it, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 1 If they can see you, if the audience can see you Monday through Thursday, they'll never pay to see you Friday and Saturday. Right.

Speaker 2 Right? So it's an archaic mentality now.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, in that era, I get it. You know, that's the, that's how it was.
And then that has kind of shifted, I think, now.

Speaker 2 It's like, if they go back and blockbuster thought.

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 And if they don't see you now Monday through Thursday, if they don't really know you and they're not invested in you and you're not totally authentic to them, then they probably won't come to see you Friday, Saturday either or anywhere else.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, so it's definitely shifted.
And that's one of the great things about our business.

Speaker 1 It's always evolving, and we got to try to stay up and stay contemporary in it and keep your finger on the pulse of culture.

Speaker 2 And so, and now you put your finger on the pulse of the biggest names in the world, the Kardashians, you know, Eva Longoria, like we just mentioned.

Speaker 2 Talk to me a little bit about how you're expanding your career as an I think most people watching this that don't understand how Hollywood works and don't understand how talent management agencies really work.

Speaker 2 It seems like a very, you know, it's a very nebulous concept to a lot of people. How do you branch from entertainment into also sports? And not only just branch into sports, but at such a high level.

Speaker 2 What is the value proposition like you're bringing to the table?

Speaker 1 I think that the worlds have merged so much between entertainment and sports. And to be clear, when I deal with athletes, I don't do any of their on court, on field, in the octagon deals.

Speaker 1 That's for them. Right.
Right. That's what they do over there.
I started to look at them and say, you know what?

Speaker 1 There's a large handful or a certain percentage of athletes across many different sports that have the opportunity to cross over and come out of their sport and be successful in the movie business or the television business or the brand business and endorsement business, the venture capital world.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of what you're referring to. Listen, I met Rhonda Rousey when she was virtually living out of her car.
here in Venice Beach, before there were women in the UFC.

Speaker 1 And that's how my relationship with Dana started, because when he decided to partner really with her and launch that women's division in the UFC, that was she just literally armbard her way through the UFC.

Speaker 1 I remember I was around for every step of that, but really believed that she was so unique that there was gonna, that there was a hole in the marketplace for somebody like her.

Speaker 1 And then that translated into some really good movies for her.

Speaker 1 Television. She's a New York Times best-selling author.
She's now a screenwriter. She's just adapted.
Is she really?

Speaker 1 Yes, her book, My Fight, Your Fight, she adapted into a movie and she just wrote the script for it

Speaker 1 and sold it recently to Netflix. And I mean, then she had the courage, you know, the WWE.
And so all of those things,

Speaker 1 you know, are incredible. And there's athletes out there that have the opportunity and the talent to cross over if they choose to do a lot of different things outside of what they do.

Speaker 1 in their day job, which is a great idea.

Speaker 2 I got to imagine that an athlete, somebody like Ronda Rousey has a sphere of influence around them.

Speaker 2 And I've found,

Speaker 2 I won't name any names, but I've worked with a lot of entertainers, celebrities,

Speaker 2 sports figures. And initially,

Speaker 2 at least with my engagement with them, they're very forward-thinking. They're like, Gary, I really want to work with you.

Speaker 2 You know, I usually connect with them directly. And then within a few weeks, I run into that sphere that's not as welcoming.
as they are and is not really excited about inviting you in

Speaker 2 to that inner circle, especially as something as personal as blood work, genetic testing, supplementation, like, you know,

Speaker 2 you know, finding out what's really making that person tick.

Speaker 2 And I got to imagine that you coming in from the talent agency side and, you know, running into an athlete that you feel could make this crossover, there's got to be a political quagmire there to kind of, that you got to navigate to get to that athlete.

Speaker 1 100% know what you're talking about. And sure, that makes sense.
But you know what?

Speaker 1 If you can't get through that and you can't find a partnership and fit into the team and assimilate with the people that either have been there for a long time around them and have them accept you and you accept them, it either works or it's not going to work.

Speaker 1 And if it's not going to work, then no business is going to get done.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I have this term that tide raises all boats. I mean, I think it, you know, just learning how to negotiate that and say, listen, I'm here to create a win-win.

Speaker 2 I'm not here to take your talent away from you. I'm here to enhance what your talent has already got going on.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So

Speaker 2 that's incredible. But so let's jump back to

Speaker 2 our journey together because

Speaker 2 I really have enjoyed this journey.

Speaker 1 You're the best. I've enjoyed it so much.

Speaker 2 Getting to know you. You're an amazing human.

Speaker 2 We were talking before the podcast today how you're a great grandfather in the cold plunging world.

Speaker 1 I'll take that. That's a man.
Thank you. Because

Speaker 2 I was doing some background for the podcast and I was like, dude, guys

Speaker 2 on a show in 2022, like talking about how he's cold plunging in his pool. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And, you know, before cold plunging was cool. And that's one of the components of what we do.
But I think there's so many people listening to this podcast that are where you were

Speaker 2 and they may not know. They want to, you know, they have a destination they want to get to.
They want to lose weight. They actually want to feel better.
They want to look better.

Speaker 2 They want to sleep better.

Speaker 2 In your case, you mind if we just open up the

Speaker 1 better it. Yeah, I mean, we can always cut it out, you know.

Speaker 1 But when we met,

Speaker 2 you had a very

Speaker 2 typical setup for somebody burning the candle at both ends, you know, in a high-stress career, raising a family, being a father, being a husband,

Speaker 2 being, you know, the breadwinner and career-oriented, and also having big aspirations. for your career, not sort of having settled down and it's okay.
It's just nine to five. I mean, you're balls out.

Speaker 2 But your physiology wasn't keeping up. You know, that was your limiting factor.
That was the ball in chain was your own physiology.

Speaker 2 And I remember when we went through the blood work at the first time, and for the record, I'm not a physician. We had a team of medical doctors that were involved in your case, too.

Speaker 2 When we went through the blood work and the genetic testing for the first time,

Speaker 2 your adrenals were fried, right? Cortisol was through the roof. You're running on adrenaline, pre-diabetic.
I think you were 50 pounds heavier than you are today.

Speaker 2 And, you know, very typical setup, elevated cholesterol, elevated triglycerides, insulin resistant, you know, all of these things. And

Speaker 2 I personally get really excited when I see that stage set

Speaker 2 because I feel like I can see your future. I know exactly where you're going to be in 10 or 12 weeks.

Speaker 2 And I know that if we can set this hook, right, this is going to be the trajectory for the rest of your life.

Speaker 1 So talk a little bit about that that journey um and you know what it what it's meant for you yeah i i mean it's been it's been incredible listen i was i think i was just about to turn 49

Speaker 1 um and probably just chalking everything up to like i guess this is what happens when you're you know approaching 50 everybody does a little bit um but also it it didn't it just didn't feel right like i didn't feel horrible There wasn't like one thing where I'm like, something's wrong.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I'm not going in the ER. Totally, but I just just knew I wasn't myself.

Speaker 1 Well, physically, I mean, I was 50 pounds heavier, so let's start there. Yeah.
You know, I was weighed 255.

Speaker 2 I still have that vision of you the night that we met. And you look.

Speaker 1 I have a picture of it, which I sent to you guys. And feel free to

Speaker 1 throw it up on here. Yeah, I was 255 pounds, which is just like, I can't, I couldn't believe that I got there.
But listen,

Speaker 1 COVID happened. We're all in our homes.
I was working out a lot. I was like getting on my bike.
I was riding like 125 miles a week in the beginning.

Speaker 1 I was feeling good i was in good shape you know i was a proponent like you know the vaccines i'm like yeah i'm gonna go get the shot got the first one fine whatever um

Speaker 1 second one remember yeah you know and i had the card and i know when i got and i can go back and look at photos and like the progression like things just weren't right like it didn't matter all of a sudden my injuries started popping back body pain a lot more inflammation.

Speaker 1 I was gaining weight, gaining weight, gaining weight. And it didn't matter what I cut out of my diet.
You could cut carbs, you know, for three weeks, couldn't lose a pound.

Speaker 1 Work out like an animal, couldn't drop a pound. And it just felt like someone pulled the plug, like the switch was off.

Speaker 1 And it just,

Speaker 1 you know, something was, it didn't feel right. I didn't feel myself.
And I, we talked about this earlier. I am big energy all the time.
I, I'm like, I always feel good.

Speaker 1 I'm always going to, you ask me how I'm great. And I, you know, and I believe that.
Like, but, um, and then we meet and I start learning from you and you just have this gift of how

Speaker 1 you speak english it makes it makes sense yeah you talk about getting to the root cause of the problem instead of treating people you know for their ailments you're treating people for their deficiencies and so you look at my blood test and there are things that were just like jumping off the page right like my vitamin d is through the floor yes okay well i guess someone could have told me about that.

Speaker 1 I've been pretty good. I go to God.
I've had doctors.

Speaker 2 It was on a lot of your previous blood tests.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, it was vitamin B super low.

Speaker 1 But then I start learning what, and you and your team are explaining to me, like, what it means, what it effect it can have on you if your vitamin D is as low as mine is and how vitamin D controls your gut.

Speaker 1 Well, your gut's connected to your brain and now your cortisol levels and all these things. Well, I'm like, oh, so that's why my cortisol is at 26.

Speaker 2 That's why I'm like 26, by the way, guys, if you don't. know the cortisol range yeah it shouldn't be outside of about 19 but yeah

Speaker 1 and and so that explains why you know things are i'm more stressed out than usual and dealing with a little bit more you know anxiety and things like that. And it's all tying together.

Speaker 1 And then,

Speaker 1 you know, I start getting on the supplements

Speaker 1 and working out simply, by the way, simple weight program, you know, 35, 40 minutes weights in my backyard, which I made a conscious decision. I'm like, I'm not doing this with the trainer.

Speaker 1 All the discipline is going to be on me because I wanted it to feel doable. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Backyard, lifting weights, walking, 35 minutes a day.

Speaker 2 I'd probably have to get more pictures of this man with his shirt off on my phone.

Speaker 1 I listen

Speaker 1 I did the work I had to show the

Speaker 1 weight down like no you were you were so fired up man I was I was into it and and and um you know trying to walk simple you know six days a week get it out there so then he's like good and I remember where I was standing literally I can go to the spot in my backyard one day when I go oh my god I feel totally different I actually feel different right now really I'm getting goosebumps fan I love I remember and it's like space opened up in my head.

Speaker 1 And there was, and, and it's been like that now for 14 months, you know, and just continue to work, continue to work and stay on it. And I have to say, it's so doable.

Speaker 1 You know, it really, really is. Listen, there's no magic pill.

Speaker 2 You have to. You can't supplement me your way around a bad diet.
I totally agree.

Speaker 1 You cannot. And, you know, I did, listen, I remember I started

Speaker 1 two weeks in and then I went to Italy on vacation.

Speaker 1 And it is not easy to go to Italy, not have pasta, not have pizza and do all the things. But I'm like, you know what? If I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 1 And so I had a lot of, a lot of prosciutto and a lot of steak while I was in Italy. And no red wine on that trip.
And you know what? You can do that. Yes.

Speaker 1 You can have a pretty good, you can eat just fine. Yeah.
You know, and

Speaker 1 my whole lifestyle, you know, really changed because of it. And

Speaker 1 I feel better than I ever have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's all due to, listen, I had never taken vitamins in my life. I was, I'd never taken a multivitamin or anything.
And then we can talk about, you know, the genetic, you know,

Speaker 2 you have the motherfucker gene. I do.

Speaker 1 I do too. So I can affectionately.
A lot of people do. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Was it 44% of people listening?

Speaker 2 And I remember, you know, in some of our initial conversations, when we were talking about the myriad of things that appeared to be wrong, right?

Speaker 2 And I think a lot of people think about these things as spokes on a wheel, right? They're like, I have this mental issue. I have this sleep issue.
I have this weight issue. I have this energy issue.

Speaker 2 I have a focus concentration issue. You know,

Speaker 2 I have all of these these different issues. And

Speaker 2 what I was able to convince you was that you didn't have 10 problems.

Speaker 2 You had one problem causing 10 symptoms.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 you were so engaged in that concept. And you were like, man, that makes so much sense.
It gives me so much hope. And you bought all in.
I said, give me 10 weeks.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 2 at the end of 10 weeks, if you want to go back to what you're doing, go back to what you're doing.

Speaker 2 Because I know that you're not. And we started and, you know, every, you know, week I was getting the updates from you.

Speaker 2 I remember the update around the time you're talking about in your backyard where like this, you had this epiphany. And then you were kind of all in.

Speaker 2 You were like, you know, that person that found religion. Like, you were just dedicated and all in.
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Speaker 2 One of the other challenges that you had too was you were considering shoulder surgery. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And you had a frozen shoulder and you couldn't. rotate your arm, you couldn't put your hand behind your back without extreme pain.

Speaker 2 And we talked about before having shoulder surgery, maybe one of the things we should look at are these stem cell and exosome injections. And I remember flying out here with Dr.
Sarda, our

Speaker 1 clinician. She's incredible.

Speaker 2 She's amazing. Shout out to Dr.
Sarda.

Speaker 2 She's amazing. She's a board-certified OBGYN.
She's delivered, I think, 9,000. babies.

Speaker 2 And she's one of those people just constantly educating herself, going to continue education courses. She's got two master's degrees, but I can't say enough about that woman.
But

Speaker 2 I said, I'm going to fly Dr. Sarda out here and we're going to do these stem cell and exosome injections into the joint.
She brought her

Speaker 2 ultrasound out.

Speaker 2 We ultrasounded the shoulder. She put you through some orthopedic tests.
But the funniest thing was.

Speaker 2 We were in your library at your house, your office.

Speaker 2 We do the injections

Speaker 2 in the shoulder. And then she's like, okay, raise your arm.
And I remember you could only get your arm to about here. And then you raised it straight up.

Speaker 2 Then you popped up out of the chair and you started bouncing around the room. You started tucking your hand behind your back.

Speaker 1 And she's like, no, no, no, don't, don't overdo it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah.
It was

Speaker 2 major epiphany for you.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 and my wife, and everybody knows that I can exaggerate sometimes, but let me tell you how bad my shoulder was.

Speaker 1 Years of injuries, starting with baseball. We couldn't sleep.
Through, no, I, I, for, for 12 years straight, okay,

Speaker 1 I would wake up three times a night, shoulder would be locked, my entire arm would be asleep, had to wake up, shake it out, try to fall, you know, fall back asleep at least three times a night. Wow.

Speaker 1 Reaching for the shower head, it felt some, you know, on some days like it could slip out at any time.

Speaker 1 I was living through chronic pain every single day and continuing to like do jiu-jitsu and, you know, Muay Thai and do those things and try to find ways to train through your purple belt, right?

Speaker 1 What's that?

Speaker 2 You're a purple belt. I'm purple.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 so I, it was so brutal, you know, and I, and I'd seen the best of the best shoulder guys, all who told me you have to have shoulder replacement. And I was like, there's no way.
I'm just not doing it.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to have shoulder replacement surgery. I'm not going to take myself out of whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm probably be terrible with the rehab because I just know that I would and I'm not doing it. And then along, you know, comes you educating me about exosomes.

Speaker 1 And you guys come do that at the house, series of shots, you know, around the joint or into the joint.

Speaker 1 This is crazy. No one will probably believe it, but the first night,

Speaker 1 the first night, I think I slept through the night.

Speaker 2 Yes, I remember the text.

Speaker 1 This is almost a year ago. Text the whole team.
Yeah. I

Speaker 1 just to put on like a suit jacket for me would take like 30 seconds extra just to like get my arm like in the hall normally. And

Speaker 1 my, listen, it didn't heal the injury. I still have the injury.
It's there, but I have no pain during the day. I can move freely.
I can grab my wallet now on my right side.

Speaker 1 You know, when I put my hand in my back and lift my arm, I sleep so much better.

Speaker 1 I'm lifting more weight than, you know, like I probably like I did in high school with no pain. So the quality of life because of it is so much.

Speaker 1 And by the way, chronic pain for anybody who's gone through it, like

Speaker 1 that takes its toll.

Speaker 2 Oh, it'll it'll wear down the strongest, you know

Speaker 2 Human beings on the planet. I've seen it.
I've seen it, you know, it's like it's like it's like that relentless sandpaper. It's like, what do they say?

Speaker 2 Like the water over the rock, you know, eventually the water wins, right? I mean, the rock is just stable, but it will erode that rock. It will just erode, you know, your willpower.

Speaker 2 Just this is break the will for me.

Speaker 1 I don't even think about my shoulder during the day anymore. And there will be times I could just be sitting at my desk and be like,

Speaker 1 man,

Speaker 1 this isn't, or when the weather would get cold, because obviously, you know, arthritis and whatever, it would just, it's an amazing science.

Speaker 1 You know, to quote you, it's just science. Yeah, it's just science.

Speaker 1 It's just, you know, and I know it's getting more and more, you know, data and getting more and more popular, but boy, what it's done for my situation

Speaker 1 has been a real, real game changer.

Speaker 2 And you know what's interesting about these stem cells, exosomes, is they're really just harnessing the body's ability to heal itself.

Speaker 2 You know, I talk a lot about believing more in what God gave us than what man makes us.

Speaker 2 Meaning, if we can enhance what God gave us, if we can strengthen our immune system and let the immune system do the fight, if we can actually return our physiology back to where it's supposed to be and allow our physiology to walk our way out of this, if we can,

Speaker 2 you know, examine the body and find the deficiency and make up the deficiency, this is when magic happens in human beings.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. I mean, what I learned from you.
Sorry. Yeah, no, no, it happened in your case.
Yeah. And all, I mean, the soul, even, listen, we didn't, I had high blood pressure.
Yep, that's right.

Speaker 1 I was on your cholesterol, you know, and my cholesterol was high you know listen i would poor stephanie martinez i'd be taking pictures

Speaker 1 by the of my she's another i i

Speaker 1 love taking my blood pressure i do it every single morning and i'm like always screenshotting and sending

Speaker 1 this to me you know like and and um but that i think is a direct result of you know the vitamin d being back up obviously the weight coming off yeah too but i'm not on blood pressure no medication anymore that's you know so awesome yeah you know i'm not on it i take i literally and i monitor it daily i'm not talking like three times every single day, just kind of for sport, but also just to like, you know, to see it's great, you know, incentive to keep on this.

Speaker 2 And I remember, I mean, and for the record, I don't take people off a blood pressure medication. The clinical team does, but I remember when there's always this

Speaker 2 point where people start getting on the supplements for deficiency. Very often they have high levels of homocysteine, which you actually did have.

Speaker 2 And when they have high levels of homocysteine, there's a correlation to these vascular spasms, you know, the clamping down of the arteries. I think

Speaker 2 a lot of people don't realize that about 70% of our circulation is not actually done by the heart. It's done by an activity called vasomotor, like a snake swallowing a mouse.

Speaker 2 And when this vasomotor activity is compromised, when you make the pipes smaller in a fixed system, pressure goes up. So as we relax those, and

Speaker 2 again, if you don't mind, I'll just talk about some of the supplements you were on. I mean, they're everyday supplements, resveratrol.

Speaker 1 Buy them all, most of them off Amazon. Yeah.
Not that, but yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Resveratrol, trimethylglycine, which is an amino acid that the clinical team put you on.

Speaker 2 I remember watching your cortisol levels start falling, your triglyceride, the measure of your blood fat, start to fall.

Speaker 2 I remember watching your homocysteine plummet from the high double digits into the low single digits.

Speaker 2 And week over week, as we got to the 12-week mark, which is I think where we did the first set of blood work,

Speaker 2 when it came back in and I talked to Dr. Sarda, like we couldn't wait to to get on the phone with you because I was like, I know based on this paper how good you're feeling.
And of course, you know,

Speaker 2 it was.

Speaker 2 I had the shirtless pictures to prove it

Speaker 1 that were coming in.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I had the

Speaker 2 blood pressure update, which I mean, that to me is chicken soup for the soul because I think so many people watching this podcast are on the pharmaceutical hamster wheel.

Speaker 2 And they don't know how to get off because they are seeing highly qualified, well-credentialed physicians that are saying, this is the rest of your life, right? This is permanent.

Speaker 2 You have this genetically inherited condition. You have this familial disease.
And once you accept that, then you accept that you need to be on a lifetime of medication, which you didn't.

Speaker 1 No. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think it's just so, to me, what's so cool is that, you know, most of the stuff, like you said, is either vitamins and supplements that I'm getting from you guys because they're great, or I'm buying on Amazon.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 No chemicals, no synthetics, no pharmaceuticals.

Speaker 1 And,

Speaker 1 you know, we are in this world. Hey, yo, you feel it? Take this.

Speaker 1 And I'm talking about friends. I'm not even just like doctors.
Oh, you should take this. I take it.
Well, what's good for you might not be good for me. Right.

Speaker 1 You know, the folic acid thing is very real. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I get so hammered by that. You know, there's so many doctors on social media that are like, he's fear-mongering, folic acid, folic acid is not bad for anybody.

Speaker 2 Folic acid is a man-made chemical that doesn't exist in nature. It does not exist anywhere on the surface of the earth.
And it is simple to get out of your diet.

Speaker 2 And if you have the MTHFR gene mutation, which you do, and 44% of the people watching this podcast have,

Speaker 2 just try it. Don't even take my word for it, right?

Speaker 2 This is not a difficult experiment. Get the fortified or enriched foods out of your life for one week.
This isn't even like a hardcore dogmatic diet.

Speaker 2 You know, it's not vegan, vegetarian, paleo keto, you know, pescatarian. This is just get the fortified or enriched foods out of your diet for a week.

Speaker 1 I have moms and dads literally all over the world.

Speaker 2 Like I'll walk through an airport now or I'll get on a commercial flight or I'll go to a restaurant and somebody was always coming up to me going, oh my God, Carrie, I.

Speaker 2 You know, I didn't do your test. I haven't done your blood work.
I've never done anything with your clinical team, but I watched this podcast, strip folic acid out of my kids' diet and out of my diet.

Speaker 2 My kids are not a full contact contact sport to get them in the car to go to school in the morning. And I remember you talking about the mental clarity and everything.

Speaker 2 And I want to, you know, sort of shift that direction now. Like, what has this shift in

Speaker 2 your health done for your career,

Speaker 2 your mental health?

Speaker 2 And, you know, I know that mental health is on the forefront of so many people's minds right now.

Speaker 2 I think very often they feel trapped. They don't realize that what they're putting in their bodies can actually cause the conditions that they're facing facing upstairs.

Speaker 2 It's always

Speaker 2 interesting to me how a lot of modern medicine will look at this being completely separate from this. You know, it's almost like this is over here, not connected to the rest of this.

Speaker 2 And you said it very eloquently in the beginning of the podcast. You know,

Speaker 2 once we start fixing the God,

Speaker 2 all of a sudden, mood and emotion and, you know, mental clarity, focus, concentration, which you were really struggling with from the beginning. Yeah.
So when the light comes back on.

Speaker 1 Listen, I don't think you

Speaker 1 have to like have a mental illness to focus on your mental health.

Speaker 2 I hate the term mental illness. You're right.

Speaker 1 And I think we all, there's so much coming at us, everybody, every second, whether it's your TV or your phones, your thing, or your life or your whatever, your job.

Speaker 1 And so for me, I mean, like I said, there was.

Speaker 1 It's like the space really, really opened up in my head where everything became a lot more clear. But you guys say it all the time.
And, you know, Sage says it all the time.

Speaker 1 Both of you, like, whatever normal is supposed to feel like,

Speaker 1 that's what I feel. Yeah.
Like, you're never going to hear me go, oh my God, I'm like, it's like euphoric and I'm running around and I can go feel like it's, it's not that.

Speaker 1 I feel

Speaker 1 normal. Yeah.
And then I can go function the way I want to. And there are definitely things that used to get me worked up, like really worked up.

Speaker 1 And I have definitely, you know, listen, all of our lives are, you know, peaks and valleys. And, and, and, and I, trust me, I've had plenty of valleys, um,

Speaker 1 but I deal with things much differently

Speaker 1 now. And I can, and I can feel it.
Yeah. I can, I, literally, sometimes, I don't want to say I welcome it, but sometimes I do, because I'm like, you know what? I'm being tested right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I've been doing all the things to take care of myself. I'm, I'm ready for this test.
Yeah. I'm good to go.
Okay, let's go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, and so meaning, like when those stressors come into your life and you're like, okay, this situation is not working out the way that I want it to, but I actually have the mental fortitude to get through this and I'm going to problem solve rather than lose my cool.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I feel a lot more confident in those type of situations knowing that I've been working really hard to take care of myself and it's, I think it's important.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, now, I mean, it's clearly a priority of yours.
I mean, I'm down 50 pounds.

Speaker 2 I mean, just we, again, we were talking before the camera started rolling about, you know, you're in the gym and you pick up that 45-pound weight and you go to throw it on the bench press and you're like, whoa, wait a second.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was carrying that around.

Speaker 2 I was literally carrying this around. I was sleeping with this on my chest.
Yeah. You know, I was going to the office with this.

Speaker 1 I was coming home.

Speaker 2 I was trying to chase the kids around with this thing on my backpack. No wonder I was always exhausted and fatigued and edgy.
And I think people

Speaker 2 may not have a vision of how close normal is to them. Right.
You know, you may be a few minerals, vitamins, amino acids, you know, simple nutrients away from truly feeling normal.

Speaker 2 I say it all the time and you really eloquently shaped it that people will say, oh my God, Gary, I feel amazing. And I'm like, God, you don't really feel amazing.

Speaker 2 You feel normal. You just accepted such an erosion of your baseline sense of normalcy that you think this is what normal feels like.
But normal's, normal's amazing, man. God wants us to thrive.

Speaker 1 We're supposed to have it all. right?

Speaker 2 The girl, the car, the fortune, the career, the happiness, the sleep, the libido, the energy. We're supposed to have it all.
That's what human beings were put on this earth to do is to thrive.

Speaker 2 And I think when people's physiology begins to be eroded, what happens is your physiology drags you into the place where it most comfortably exists. And it's not where you most comfortably exist.

Speaker 2 It's where your physiology is. And I think restoring that is, I mean, that's a mission that I'm on.
It's a message that I'm committed to.

Speaker 2 And you truly exemplify that. Appreciate it.
So,

Speaker 2 you know, I want to get back to your career because I think it is so applicable to, you know, so many different industries. You take this non-traditional career path,

Speaker 2 but now that

Speaker 2 you're senior talent agent at one of the biggest talent agencies in the world, and you are managing some of the most iconic talent on the planet, I've got to think that staying there is just as hard as getting there, right?

Speaker 2 Like, how do you continue to provide value to people of that caliber? I mean, how do you stay relevant with a Kim Kardashian? How do you stay relevant with a Dwayne Johnson?

Speaker 2 Because from my myopic view, if I'm in their position, listen, if you're if you're not providing value, yeah, go find it somewhere else.

Speaker 2 So you've had a long, sustained career, and I'd love to get into the mindset, the mentality, the practices that are keeping you where you are.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think, you know, first of all, it's

Speaker 1 it's good to have young kids. I have twins that are

Speaker 1 13 years old. I've never heard someone say that.

Speaker 1 If you want to know what's cool,

Speaker 1 it's important about staying relevant and understanding what's going on in culture, right?

Speaker 1 And seeing where trends go and what people, not just in California and New York, are doing, but people in the middle of our country too, like what movies they're going to and what TV shows they're into and what products

Speaker 1 they

Speaker 1 are excited about.

Speaker 1 It's really paying attention to those things and

Speaker 1 trying to embrace the change. We've been through so much of it, right? You know, I mean, if I were to tell you, I don't even know, what was it, 15 years ago,

Speaker 1 that subscription thing for the DVDs, you know, called Netflix, where you could get three sent to your house and as soon as you were done watching them, you could send them back, you get three more.

Speaker 1 If at that time I was like, and by the way, in about 10 to 15 years from then,

Speaker 1 They're going to have a whole channel that's all you're going to watch movies and television on. You would have been like, what are you even talking about? You know?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 streaming's, you know, it's changed a lot of things. Yeah.
But it's okay.

Speaker 2 Like it's, you know, like, but I feel like you've got to be on the forefront of that so that you've got to be

Speaker 2 at the level of talent that you're managing, you've got to be bringing things to them before they bring it to you. So you don't feel like you're being reactionary.
You're being proactive. Like

Speaker 1 you, you. Dwayne,

Speaker 2 we got to get on this wave.

Speaker 1 Listen, I think that, you know, when you're fortunate enough to be in in any client that you represent live it's because there's a matter of trust there right that you're gonna have their best interests in heart and that their businesses are as important to you uh as they are to them if not more

Speaker 1 and so that's our job we have to be out in front of those things and we have to be curious continue to be curious and do things like that are untraditional and you know do things a little bit differently and not be scared of that and be okay taking um you know calculated risks yeah you know it's funny you say you know curious i think intellectual curiosity is one of the greatest emotions we can possess because it makes you a passionate person.

Speaker 2 Because like I'm, I have a childlike fascination with science and human physiology and the human body. And

Speaker 2 I feel so blessed to be in the industry that I'm in because.

Speaker 2 I want to read it and study it and learn about it for sport. You know, like when I'm on vacation, that's what I'm doing.
Like that, that is my downtime. Like

Speaker 2 I've sort of meshed the,

Speaker 2 you know, the career path and the intellectual curiosity with my deep fascination. And I feel really, really blessed that they

Speaker 2 all come together. And I sort of blurred the lines between, you know, work and play.

Speaker 2 And I've got to imagine for you, a little bit of that is the same thing. I mean, you're an amazing people person.
I mean, it's coming out on the podcast for sure. You can just

Speaker 1 see your

Speaker 2 50 pounds lighter. Yeah.
I mean, you're a great, you're a great people person. You've got to enjoy that interaction.
And truly, I've gotten to know a lot of your clients as people behind the scenes.

Speaker 2 And they're great human beings.

Speaker 2 Kim Kardashians is a great, great person. I mean, I think Dwayne is an unbelievable person.
And what you see on the screen is, quite honestly, what you kind of see behind the screen.

Speaker 2 He's one of those people that's also like, has a childlike fascination with the human body and performance and health and wellness and like,

Speaker 2 I think if you were to ask him, he'd say, My best days are ahead of me.

Speaker 1 And you're like, how are you going to beat what I just saw?

Speaker 2 The most iconic

Speaker 2 actor in Hollywood,

Speaker 2 WWE star, social media guru. He's like, he's resting.
He's not putting it in neutral. He's working.
He's pressing on the gas. Yeah, he works really hard.
So that must be inspiring to you, too.

Speaker 1 It is. I mean,

Speaker 1 you're fortunate enough to work with really, really great talent. I've had, I took an acting class in college.

Speaker 1 N acting classes? One.

Speaker 1 Trust me.

Speaker 1 It was so hard. I was so awful.

Speaker 1 I was so awful that I immediately gained such a respect for

Speaker 1 talent. Oh, yeah.
You know, and acting, but like what really talented people possess. And

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 1 I'm driven by their success.

Speaker 1 I want it so badly for them that it's personal to me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, I their wins are your wins.

Speaker 1 I just want to, yeah, I just want the best. And I think that's our jobs as, you know, as representatives.

Speaker 1 But I really do wear it on my sleeve. I mean, I do, I love the job.
I always say to people, there's where I park my car

Speaker 1 at WME, I have to get up like six steps to the elevators. And a lot of mornings, I'll like run up the steps.

Speaker 1 And i don't know because you're like yes yeah i'm not late i'm just like i think i'm excited to be there and the day that stops then i know i'm probably gonna have to you know go to high school baseball or something you know but um but listen you have and this goes for any job i don't care if you're a doctor you have patients lives in your hands you know you

Speaker 1 you know fireman police like my job is not that you know is not that important yeah but i am responsible for people's livelihood for their careers. Yeah.
So I take that seriously. Yeah, the passion.

Speaker 1 And so it's my job to stay up on things and try to get the best opportunities that I can bring them all the time.

Speaker 1 We do our best at that. And you obviously don't win every single time out like anything in life.

Speaker 1 You know, and

Speaker 2 what do you think

Speaker 2 makes the difference between a good actor and a great actor or a good entertainer and a great entertainer? I mean, you've been around a lot of greatness. Right.

Speaker 2 I mean, I think I talk about this all the time with athletes, athletes, with celebrities, with scientists, with

Speaker 2 career entrepreneurs. I think anybody could be great once, right?

Speaker 2 There used to be a show in Hollywood called like, Where Are They Now? or the One Hit Wonders, you know, and you're like, Oh, I remember that song. And then you're like, What did happen to that person?

Speaker 2 Oh, they're homeless behind a dumpster at Walmart.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 what do you think keeps some of these people on the top of their game? Like, what makes great?

Speaker 1 They're extraordinarily, extraordinary hard workers. And I'm talking about like all the extra things.

Speaker 1 You know, I used to hear this, you know, stories about, you know, just like athletes, you know, Kobe Bryant, when they were all at the Olympics, you know, guys were going out partying and they came home from the clubs and

Speaker 1 he was getting in the gym. Yeah.
When they were coming home.

Speaker 2 Or on the court.

Speaker 1 And I've seen,

Speaker 1 the great actors, the difference, those are the ones who are still working with acting coaches. They're not just like getting the job.
Yeah, but still working with acting coaches.

Speaker 2 That's what they want.

Speaker 1 Showing up. They don't just show up on the day that they're supposed to work.
They are in there. They're working with their coaches.
They're watching other actors. They're seeing other films.

Speaker 1 They are devouring other things to see and learn. You know the difference.
And you know what? Like now there's so much to choose from as a consumer. You can turn on any,

Speaker 1 you know, you can go to the movies, you can turn on any platform, anything. You can catch something you want to see pretty much anywhere.
So back, you know, 10 years ago, good was good enough.

Speaker 1 I don't think that just being good gets you there anymore. Now you got to be great to keep going and do all of those things.
You know, you have to be great all the time. And that's hard.

Speaker 1 But it's all the things that we're talking about. Trust me.

Speaker 1 They're not great if they're not taking care of themselves all the time, most likely, you know, if they're not working on their health and their mental health and all those things.

Speaker 1 And you see what you're doing playing into the lives of a lot of athletes and entertainers and all these people who are like, I need that.

Speaker 1 I can't tell you how many, yesterday I'm at lunch with somebody. It's like, tell me more, you know, tell me more.
Tell me everything. And I'm telling about you.
He's like, I need to meet him.

Speaker 1 I've been feeling, I've been feeling this. And I've been, you know, I'm not.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I need something. I got to get better.

Speaker 2 I got to get a better healthy superhuman project right there. We'll talk about it after the podcast.

Speaker 1 There you go. But it happens all the time, you know, and that's, you got to work.
Talk Talk a little bit about your

Speaker 2 how your day has changed. Like, what are some of your favorite biohacking devices? I love the fact that you're in the cold plunge.

Speaker 2 Some of your favorite biohacking devices. What's a typical day for Brad Slater look like now that was not a typical day for you?

Speaker 1 I love, I love, I love that you're asking.

Speaker 2 I get we didn't prepare these questions before the podcast.

Speaker 1 Just FYI. You know, it's funny.
I think I just saw Dana say it recently. He might have said it on your, like, he loves getting up in the morning.
Like, he can't wait to get up.

Speaker 2 Dude, I'm the same way.

Speaker 2 My wife, not so much.

Speaker 1 I am up at five now, happily. Wow.

Speaker 1 I'll go downstairs, let the dogs out, grab coffee first.

Speaker 1 I know you don't get the coffee first. I think you wait a little bit, but that's fine.
I go coffee, water, supplements.

Speaker 2 You're doing the Baja Gold. You're doing perfect aminos.
You got a hydrogen water bottle.

Speaker 2 You're all in.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, I left my hydrogen water bottle on a plane.

Speaker 2 I'm going to give you this one right here.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry. All right.

Speaker 2 That's what you get for coming on time.

Speaker 1 I left recently I was really, really sad. It was, it was, I might as well, I would have been happier if I left my luggage.

Speaker 2 You know, the sad thing is when they cleaned that plane, they threw it away because they looked at that and they were like, I don't know what that is.

Speaker 1 I know. Seriously, you could have lost my luggage and I would have been less upset than missing my water bottle.
That's the truth. That's all.
But

Speaker 1 pemph mat immediately for like 25 minutes.

Speaker 2 The PMF.

Speaker 1 And then right into my infrared sauna

Speaker 1 that has a red light kind of tower in it. So I'll turn on the red light first while the sauna is heating up.
So I'll do 25 minutes with the red light.

Speaker 1 And then by the time that turns off, the sun is at 170 or something like that. So I'm in there for like another 25 minutes, 30 minutes, you know, whatever.

Speaker 2 Sweat on, raising your body temperature.

Speaker 1 And then immediately out, cold plunge. Jay.

Speaker 1 And then, so usually I keep it at 45 degrees. Yep.
45. And I'll do that for most days, three minutes.
And then sometimes I'll just do six just because.

Speaker 1 And that's, and then, so I'm already done. It's like, it's like 6.15 by then.
And then, but then you're my kids aren't even up yet. Right.
And I'm on.

Speaker 2 I call it my drug of choice all the time. Nothing makes you feel better for longer.

Speaker 1 I feel great. Yeah.
I'm totally ready to go. And I always say this, I'm sure you feel the same.
Like the cold plunge never gets easier. So that's like a real metaphor for the day.

Speaker 1 Like if you knock out the cold plunge, what's going to be harder for you in your day than that? Zero. The procrastination that goes into actually getting in it.
For me, like I'll grab my phone.

Speaker 1 I'll send 10 texts before. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know.

Speaker 1 It's just like, I don't. And then you do, and you're like,

Speaker 1 yes, I did it. I feel so good.
Let's go. And then, and then I'll, you know, try to get, I'll get a workout in.

Speaker 1 Now I have a new like weight program that I've been doing three mornings a week. And so I go somewhere to do it, but it's really close by my home.

Speaker 1 So it's an hour and then,

Speaker 1 or I walk. Yeah.
I love that.

Speaker 2 It's, you know, the importance of self-care. Some people say, oh, that's just being selfish.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm like, well, putting yourself first is actually being very selfless because, you know, I'm sure, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, you feel that you are a better father you probably feel that you are better able to serve your clients you're probably a better partner I mean you know it touches every sphere of your life yeah I think and listen by no means perfect obviously and you know all of us you know I think majorly flawed I would hope that my kids say you know he's he has been better since he's been doing this you know I'm trying bad days but uh my wife you know who has to put up with me all the time with no she's you know Kara's such a saint and uh and she just started with you as well which is which is so great she's on the journey now too we can't just have one superhuman in the house man no come on but um but no i think it does it it i think there's ripple effects everywhere right it's like that thing you drop a pebble in the ocean and you know goes out everywhere yeah yeah what you've got to start adding to your morning routine is waking your spouse up with the ice cold fingers out of the cold plunge oh it's i don't even wonders for a marriage i've been trying to get her in the cold just to get in the cold plunge yeah we'll we'll get there that's a goal of my mind well i mean you you know,

Speaker 2 Sage is thin, and she fought it for a long time, but now it's like her favorite thing. You know, she had an L5S1 fusion

Speaker 2 right when we first started dating years ago. And,

Speaker 2 you know, depending on how she sleeps or what kind of bed she sleeps in, it does, you know, flares up and causes her a lot of pain. So now she's.

Speaker 2 addicted to the cold punch because you know sometimes even 30 seconds or a minute before we go to bed um and she's very thin framed and she gets down in there and soaks that part of her body and lets lets the temperature cool down.

Speaker 2 It gets the blood flowing, and then she, you know, she sleeps so much.

Speaker 1 The effects that that, there's so many different things that the cold bunge can

Speaker 1 help with. It's unbelievable day-to-day.

Speaker 1 I mean, but the most fun one is like, honestly, you find me a person, I don't care what kind of mood they're in before they go in, but after is still in a bad mood. Yes, it's so true.

Speaker 2 I always say that you could be in a bad mood going in, you're never in a bad mood getting out. You can't, you know, you can't be.

Speaker 1 You cannot be out. You cannot get out and say, I am so

Speaker 1 angry about this, right? It's like, isn't there? I think you said it. Like, you can't ever wake up.
You can't wake up laughing.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can't wake up laughing.

Speaker 1 Can't come out of a cold plunge pissed.

Speaker 2 I like that. Dude, I'm going to adopt that now.
Can't come out of a cold plunge piss. You heard it here first.
It's yours.

Speaker 1 That's fine. We have a shirt.
We have shirts on.

Speaker 2 You know, what would you say to the folks that are watching this podcast that are in similar industries, right?

Speaker 1 I mean, we're all in the grind.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 what was the

Speaker 2 tipping point for you? And, you know, what mental resilience did you have to have to get through that first 10 weeks?

Speaker 2 Because I want people to know how close they are to feeling amazing, to really feeling normal. And if you go back to where you were right around the time that we met, was there a...

Speaker 2 Like you said, there was nothing going on that I like, I didn't want to go to the ER, right? You know, it's like my arm was constantly numb and, you know, I couldn't move my my fingers or something.

Speaker 2 But I think so many of us have accepted this erosion of our baseline sense of normalcy. And we're walking around and we're like, okay, well, I'm supposed to have brain fog because I'm old, older.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm in my 40s, I'm in my 50s. I'm not supposed to remember names and dates and times and places.
I'm not supposed to remember where my keys and wallet are.

Speaker 2 I'm not supposed to sleep that well. I'm supposed to have a little spare tire

Speaker 2 around the middle. I'm supposed to feel stressed out and a little bit edgy.
It's just part of getting old. Like, what would you say to those people? And what, if anything, was a tipping point for you?

Speaker 1 Well, the Miami trip was definitely a tip. First of all, as we all know, there's no one more honest than Dana White.
Oh, yeah. And if he thinks that you, you know, might not be.

Speaker 2 I find it so crazy when people are like, Gary paid him to say that. I'm like, first of all, thank you for thinking I'm wealthy enough.
Right. Dude, to have the money to move David White's needles.

Speaker 1 No, he was.

Speaker 2 I just ripped that hundred million out of my savings account and threw it at Dana.

Speaker 1 He joked. He wasn't joking.
He said to me, he's like, you have to do this. Like, you're getting the bullfrog thing under your neck.
And I was like, oh, wow. you're like

Speaker 1 how dare you and uh no you know but um

Speaker 1 i

Speaker 1 it is right there it is right within your reach however i think you have to really like take a look at yourself literally like you can go look in the mirror and go i'm i'm going i'm taking two feet in it's not a toe it's not one foot it's two feet

Speaker 1 but you're not killing yourself doing it it's just do it commit to this give me the give me the 10 weeks

Speaker 1 Give me the 10 weeks.

Speaker 1 The things that are wrong with you, that you're not, the reasons you're not feeling well, you're going to give them things that should alleviate that. All these things

Speaker 1 are reversible. Yeah.
For the most, I mean, you know, they're, they can be changed. Yeah.
You have to make a commitment to do it.

Speaker 2 You can look at 10 weeks on the calendar, too. I mean, but it's not even Thanksgiving yet.
I mean, this podcast is probably going to air right around Thanksgiving-ish, two weeks.

Speaker 2 So is that Thanksgiving? No, no, it's before Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 Which means that we're not even to Thanksgiving yet. Before Christmas, you could be a different person.

Speaker 2 Like, that's a really achievable goal.

Speaker 2 That's the other message that I really want to give people because a lot of times they look back at

Speaker 2 people that have been on this journey with me and they go, man, I just don't have a year to commit. And I'm like, no, no, no, they just...
They only committed 10 weeks.

Speaker 2 They just didn't get off the band. They got off the pharmaceutical hamster wheel and

Speaker 2 got on the supplement for deficiency wheel. And now it's their their choice to not get off.
Well,

Speaker 1 you know, I've sent a lot of people your way, just like I know a lot of

Speaker 1 your commercial people. A lot of your people have, you know, and I hear it all the time.
I think there's like a competition going on, like who sent more business to you?

Speaker 1 Everyone's like, this many had.

Speaker 1 I haven't met one yet that has called and been like, yeah, it didn't work for me. You know, because again,

Speaker 1 you're, it's, it's right there in front of you.

Speaker 1 Here's where you're, here's your deficiencies.

Speaker 1 Here's something that's gonna you know help turn that around

Speaker 1 if you do it and you do it

Speaker 1 get outside move around movement is like go move around yeah watch what happens yeah you know um it's not crazy you know you just you but you have to be in yeah no you can't you not a seven out of 10 just be a 10 to 10.

Speaker 1 no you're not your energy doing isn't a 10 out of 10 you're just committed 10 out of 10 commit yeah like anything yeah i hear people talk about the the necessity for discipline being more important than motivation.

Speaker 2 You know, usually when people start this journey, they're not motivated. Right.
In fact, they're starting the journey because they don't have the motivation.

Speaker 1 And also the knowledge. Listen, someone said to me, they said, how is it possible that I know more about my car

Speaker 1 than my body? Wow.

Speaker 2 The fluid levels in your vehicle.

Speaker 2 Fluid levels in your body. Heat.

Speaker 2 So many viral snippets of it. Right.

Speaker 1 And so it's like, okay, go just get the blood test. Start there.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, Like, get it.

Speaker 1 Study. You know, you don't have to be obsessed.
I was crazy. I'm, you know, reading everything up every morning, every single article, reading every research paper that you post in the podcast.

Speaker 1 You don't have to do that. Just

Speaker 1 do the work. Yeah.

Speaker 2 No, I love it, man. I love it.
So I,

Speaker 2 first of all, this has been amazing. I want to have you back on the podcast.
And, you know, when we're, I'm going to keep checking in on this journey.

Speaker 1 I'm due for blood tests. I'll be hounding you and Stephanie.
Oh, well, let's do it while we're here. We got a nurse.
I split it.

Speaker 2 We got a a nurse here at the Airbnb, you know? Let's go. By the way, we're at an Airbnb in

Speaker 2 LA

Speaker 2 for my birthday. My birthday is tomorrow, September 21st.
Oh, my goodness. But you're having my birthday podcast.
Happy birthday.

Speaker 2 But, you know,

Speaker 2 I love just checking in from time to time on these journeys. But I sort of bring every podcast to a close by asking all my guests the same question.
There's no right or wrong answer to this question.

Speaker 2 And that is, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

Speaker 1 I think to me,

Speaker 1 it's

Speaker 1 how much can you give of yourself

Speaker 1 to get the best from others?

Speaker 1 I love. Wow.

Speaker 1 I really

Speaker 1 love helping people. And I think that I get to do that every day in my job.

Speaker 1 I think that I've been lucky to be in a position that I can help people,

Speaker 1 you know, whatever help needs.

Speaker 1 It could be the smallest thing to a big thing um but i love that and so how can i you know to be an ultimate human it means a lot i mean it's not just health it's what kind of person you are you know and and i've all and i try really really hard i've always wanted to um be successful but i always wanted to be a good person too and i wouldn't trade

Speaker 2 the other one without that. I mean, I got to say that you are a living embodiment of that because

Speaker 2 I've never asked you, but you have voluntarily referred to me some of the most influential clients I've ever worked with.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I appreciate that endorsement because the greatest

Speaker 2 possession that you have is your reputation and your relationships. And you've exposed a lot of those to me and put your reputation on the line for me.
So I just want to publicly thank you for that.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, it's easy, first of all, because one of the things I love, that I've loved about getting to know you is that,

Speaker 1 first of all, you've never pushed anything on me. You've never sold anything to me ever.
But, you know,

Speaker 1 and I think that's really important. And I've also never heard you say a bad thing about anybody.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't believe that.

Speaker 1 And I'm talking about other people in your field. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And I don't believe in the adage that I'm good because everybody else is bad.

Speaker 2 You know, a lot of my peers do, but, you know, I think, you know, it's funny, even some of the guys that attack me, you know, make a career out of attacking me online.

Speaker 2 I look at them and I'm like, you know what? I actually don't think that guy's a bad guy.

Speaker 1 He's not a scumbag and a liar and a fraud and a cheat.

Speaker 2 I think he's misguided in the way that he's building his career because he's or she is

Speaker 2 saying they're great because this person's bad.

Speaker 2 But I also try to find things in those people that are, I'm like, hey, we're actually both trying to do the same thing out in the world, trying to make the world a better place.

Speaker 2 So I try not to attack them either. But,

Speaker 2 dude, you're a special person, man. And

Speaker 2 I appreciate you coming on and sharing your story and being vulnerable because

Speaker 2 this is going to be the tipping point for somebody that's watching this podcast right now. And if it is, guys, just commit.
You don't even have to do it with me.

Speaker 2 You don't have to do it with 10x health or the ultimate human. Just make that commitment to get some data on your body, some blood work, some genetic testing.

Speaker 2 Start supplementing for deficiency, not just the sake of supplementing and see where it goes.

Speaker 1 Got to do it. Right?

Speaker 1 You owe it to yourself. You got to do that.
Do that. Just do that one thing.
Yeah. Go from there.

Speaker 2 Awesome, man. Brad, thank you so much, brother.
You're a legend. Thank you for coming on.
You got to tuck under the microphone there.

Speaker 1 This is amazing.

Speaker 2 We will have Brad back on the podcast. We're going to check in on him in a couple of months.
But as always, guys, that's just science.