One Battle, Two Spats: D-Day Remembered, the Trump/Musk Split, & the Biles/Gaines Feud

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So, Victor, I just know that you had some thoughts on D-Day that you wanted to talk about.

So, I'll just let you go ahead and go with that first.

Well, this whole month is the, I mean, D-Day started the Normandy campaign.

So, June 6th was not really the end.

It was the beginning of the Normandy campaign.

And that would go all the way till September 1st.

So, we're in the 81st anniversary.

Last year, I took 140 people to Normandy to celebrate the 80th anniversary of the actual landing.

We were there exactly a year

ago.

And a lot of people got COVID, including myself.

So it was not at all, it was in, it was eventful.

But the point I'm making is to give a little background on D-Day.

The first thing about it was

the Russians had been,

this was very ironic because the Russians had signed the Molotov-Ribben

Pact on

August 23rd of 1939.

So, from August 23rd of 1939 until the invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22nd, 1941, they had been collaborating.

They were a partner of the Axis.

Then they're invaded, and immediately they turned to help from the Anglo-Americans.

Britain was in the war.

We were not yet.

We wouldn't be for another six months.

But here's my point.

As soon as they got in, the Russians discovered that there was no second front.

We We were not in the war yet.

So Britain was the only Western power that was opposed to the Germans.

And the Blitz had failed to knock them out of the war, but there was no way that Britain could go into Europe.

They were fighting in North Africa, but as far as the Russians were concerned, they had the whole power of the Wehrmacht, three and a half million people, and they were desperate.

They were going to go on to lose 20 million people.

So they wanted a second front immediately.

So then, when we got into the war on December 10th,

11th, they said immediately to us, we want help.

And we had already been giving them help as a non-belligerent, but the British and the Americans supplied 25% of their wherewithal in the war.

But second front, second front, second front, second front.

And so the Americans came into the war in January and they hadn't been fighting.

Their army had been just two years earlier the size of Portugal.

The British said to us, be very careful.

Do not go in and daylight bomb the European continent without fighter escort.

We tried, it does not work.

Your precision Norden bomb site will not be effective.

You may call the B-17 the flying fortress.

It cannot stop

the new F-190 that we hear about, even the BF-109 diving down at 400 miles an hour.

More importantly, do not think you're going to invade the mainland immediately.

And we said, well, that's how we won World War I.

We declared war on World War I in April, and by July we had 15,000 Americans, and by the end of the next year we had put a million Americans and we were all ready to go by late 1918 and the war was over within five months.

And that's what we're going to do.

We're going to get this huge army and we're going to land.

And then the British said, we tried that at the Dieppe raid.

In August of 1942, we landed on the coast of France with 10,000.

And we sent all of our squadrons, not all, but we sent huge amounts of Supermarines, Spitfire fighters, hurricanes.

We had naval superiority, and guess what?

63% casualties.

It was mostly a Canadian tragic operation.

And over 5,000 were dead, wounded, missing, or captured.

And the Germans were just ecstatic.

Hitler said, we don't have to worry that they'll ever invade.

So we were pressing.

So then the British said, well, we're already fighting in North Africa.

Land in North Africa.

And then we'll meet you.

Montgomery will meet Patton.

And then when we did that, they said, now let's go into Sicily.

And we did.

And then they said, now let's go in September of 1943 into Italy.

We'll go into the soft, but let's please not go into the continent because we're afraid that we don't have enough wherewithal to do it.

Meanwhile, the Russians go, land on the continent, land on the continent, take the troops away from Italy's not enough.

enough, Sicily's not enough, North Africa, stop this Wehrmacht from slaughtering us.

And we didn't want to, I mean, the British didn't want to do it.

We were trying to get the war over as quickly as possible.

It was about 800 miles from the coast into Berlin.

And at that time, the Soviet army was about 900 miles away.

And everybody thought, this will go on forever.

Because they are right next to their factories and supplies, the Soviets, and we are 3,000 miles away.

So how can we land on the and so there there was a big argument.

And finally, we promised in Tehran, we said to Stalin, okay,

in May of 1944, we will pull troops and resources out of Italy and southern France, and we will, they had a plan to go in Operation Anvil into southern France as well.

And they did.

And they said, we will go in there.

And then some Americans said, and the Hap Arnold said, hey, we already have a second front.

It's called bombing.

We've lost thousands of airmen, but we are starting to achieve real results.

And Stalin said, no, no, you're in league with Hitler.

He was the one that had been in league with Hitler.

So finally, that pressure coalesced, and we had to invade.

And then it was the largest amphibious, I don't know, it was billed as the largest amphibious operation in history.

The Roman army that went to Carthage in the Second Punic War was about 80,000 amphibious landing.

You could make the argument that Xerxes had about 250,000 that came by land and sea, but it was not an amphibious landing entirely.

So we landed over a 48-hour period, about

200,000, maybe 170 on D-Day alone.

4,400 Americans, Canadians, and mostly Americans were killed, and probably 6,000 to 7,000 were wounded or missing.

And if you look at the five beaches, the Canadian beach, the two British beaches in Utah and Omaha, the American beaches, everything Everything went like clockwork except Omaha.

And Omaha, we didn't quite appreciate that it had a seawall, that there was a Boltage behind it, much more densely vegetated than the other beaches.

There were more defensive, more Germans there, more artillery.

The weather was still bad.

They had canceled the day before landing, and it was a disaster.

And finally, the Americans, by sheer wherewithal, kept landing the second wave, third wave, and they broke through.

One thing to remember, though, is once they broke through,

they were south.

Normandy was not Pas de Calais.

It wasn't a straight shot, so they had a long way to go.

They had picked the Normandy beaches because they were not in a peninsula

and there were not waterways.

So there was a straight shot.

It's a long straight shot, but they could get to Germany without being bottled up or cut off in a peninsula.

And so, what happened then for

the next month, they lost about over 100,000 dead and wounded.

They were trapped in a circumference around Omaha and Utah.

They could not break out.

And then finally, in

August, end of July, August,

they took heavy bombers, blasted a hole in the German lines, killed hundreds of Americans by mistake.

They did that twice.

They killed a three-star general, Leslie McNara, and they broke out.

And then they activated the Third Army, George Patton, who had been on ice since the Sicily slapping.

And

you could make the argument that from August 1st, when the Third Army became operational, until September 5th, when gasoline and supplies were cut off to redirect to Montgomery's Market Garden disaster, trying to leap across the Rhine River bridges in Holland into Germany, that that was the greatest American offensive in its history.

Much more, there was nothing like it.

It was something comparable to maybe MacArthur's Incheon landing and then trapping North Koreans in South Korea in the end of 1950, say October 1950.

It was somewhat like William Decompose Sherman's fall, autumn march to the sea in the autumn of 1864, but it was spectacular.

And that was the denuement that broke out.

And then you had a genuine two-front war, and the Germans were doomed.

And Hitler, remember, in Mein Kampf and elsewhere, it said, one thing we're going to do next time is not fight like the stupid Hindenburg and Ludendorff and the Kaiser, a two-front war.

We're not going to do it.

Everybody said, well, why did he do it?

Well, see, he didn't do it, really.

He fought a one-front war.

He invaded the Soviet Union because he looked around and he said, There is no more Europe.

Every European capital is either in our hands

or it's us or it's our allies, Rome, Athens, you name it.

Lisbon, Madrid, Amsterdam, Paris.

There is no opposition.

There's just little Britain out here, and it's not worth taking.

And they even said, we're going to go into Russia to isolate Britain.

So he thought he had a one.

a one-front war, but he didn't realize he did not coordinate with the Japanese.

He did not know where Pearl Harbor was on the map when he heard about it.

And that brought us in.

And then we made a fundamental decision of America will be fighting mostly in Europe.

That's what we said, at least.

Our primary resources will defeat Hitler, and then secondary Tojo.

If you actually look at it, it was brilliant.

It was Marines, carriers, special types of aircraft in the Pacific, Army land fighting in the Atlantic, and let the British fleet take over most of the responsibilities in the Atlantic.

And we divided our forces, and we were able to fight a two-front war in a way that Germany was not.

So this battle goes down in history as the most significant because it was an amphibious invasion of the Atlantic side of the French peninsula, or were there other reasons for it?

Because that was a rare thing to do, and the Germans themselves couldn't do an amphibious invasion the opposite way into Britain.

Well, Guadarian, who was their foremost armored commander, along with

Rommel, had said

with one Panzer division, and he was talking about Panther and Tiger tanks and 88 millimeter artillery and the best machine guns in the world and veterans who had been fighting since 1939.

He said, I can knock out these cowboys with one division.

And that was a crazy thing to say because Rommel, who had been in charge of the defenses, was in Berlin because it was raining.

And he was really the one that was very worried because only 20% of their defenses were finished.

Everybody thought they were going to go to Calais.

So the whole point of of the invasion was to make him think this was a diversion because the generals went to Hitler and said they wouldn't go down there.

It's about 90 miles all the way across the water.

It's bad weather in June.

Now, especially at this time, it's stormy.

There's no ports there.

There's 15 good ports all the way from Dunkirk all the way to Brittany.

They could go to Brest.

They could go to New Ochel.

They could go to Camp.

They could go anywhere.

Why would they go down there?

There's no, there's just beaches.

And then some Germans said, that's the point.

They've got 30 miles of beaches.

And if they had a big enough invasion force, and some general said, well, Die, if they had 10,000, he said, no, no, we're talking about maybe 200,000.

Oh, no, they could never do that.

They could never send 200,000.

And they have a lot of room to maneuver.

And so when they landed, he had two panzer divisions in reserve, armored division, Waffen-SS.

And they didn't activate them in time.

The The whole point was that Rommel said, you have to stop them at the beaches.

Once they get there, they have so much logistical support they're going to overwhelm them.

Von Rundstedt and everybody said, No, no, no, no, we'll do what we did at Dieppe.

Let them come on and put all that investment, and then we'll counterattack, kill them all, and push them into the water, and they'll never do it again.

Rommel was right, but they didn't release the reserves.

I don't know if it would have made a mistake because the Allies had absolute naval supremacy, like they did not have two years earlier at Dieppe, and they had absolute air superiority.

I think there were two or three German aircraft fighters that straight the beaches just for a second.

And then they had airborne.

They landed three divisions airborne.

So when you look at it, it's amazing that this army of Americans, they had not really faced, they had fought in North Africa against hired troops, German, and they had outnumbered them.

But the idea that you were going to take all these

young Americans and you were going to put them over in Britain and then you were going to put them on a boat and go across 70, 80 miles down to Normandy.

And then they were going to land there and you're going to feed them and give them gas and oil and jeeps and all this stuff.

And they were going to take on entrenched Germans.

that were being supplied by the rural factories right nearby in the French border.

It was considered crazy.

You couldn't do that.

And yet they did it.

They did it because

they had invaded in North Africa in November of 1942.

They had invaded Sicily.

And they had learned from the disasters in Italy at Anzio.

They had learned that if you hit the beach,

you do not want to stay there or you will be cut off.

And so they were pushing, pushing, pushing, at least to get in four or five miles.

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So, Victor, let's go ahead and have a look at the or have your commentary on the LA riots as they stand now.

As of yesterday, Trump is sending in the National Guard to the tune of 2,000 people.

Newsom and

Mayor Bass have both said that this is terrorizing the populations, and Newsom said it's causing chaos.

And I thought maybe to start this off, I would get your commentary on the Los Angeles Police Department as of Saturday wrote this after all of the rioting on Saturday.

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There you go, Victor.

Translated, the subtext of that statement is,

we in law enforcement have a Castroite mayor,

and she seems to not worry about L.A.

burning up.

She didn't worry about the fire.

She didn't worry about torching cars.

She encouraged the demonstrations.

And we're not going to say anything

because we know what happened to the fire chief when she said that Karen Bast was in Ghana junketing.

And we know what happened when people said the deputy mayor had phoned in a bomb threat.

He's going to be sentenced to 10 years in prison.

Those were the two people in charge of L.A.

during the fires.

So they don't want to be fired.

So they're going to go along with the party line.

The truth is Karen Bast came out and basically supported the demonstrators who were already riding.

There's pictures of people throwing rocks at passing cars, cars on fire.

There was actually a class element.

When you look at the ice,

the police didn't come for two hours.

When you look at the faces, a lot of them were Hispanic, a few black, working class people.

The ICE agents.

The ICE agents.

And they were trying to stop mass hiring of illegal aliens by firms that traditionally knowingly had broken immigration law.

And the question is then to Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom,

what do you want to do?

We have 12 million illegal aliens that came in under Biden.

You didn't say one word.

Do you want 20?

Do you want 30?

We already had 15 to 20.

We have almost 40 probably.

So what is the optimum number?

And Trump remembered the 2020 riots when people like Tim Waltz's wife later would recall that she opened the window so she'd get the fragrance of the burning rubber.

Tim Waltz didn't bring out the National Guard.

We know that the Mayor Fry did.

All of those characters.

Millie, remember, said that Trump was trying to put him into a

General Mattis said he didn't want any federal troops.

$2 billion, 35 dead, 14,000 arrests, most of them let go.

1,500 injured police officers.

Again, $2 billion, iconic church burn, precinct burn, courthouse burn.

So Trump's not taking any chances.

But what is strange about this is that the state of California was granting money to some of these groups that were violently protesting.

So Gavin Newsom then, who can't figure out a trajectory to the presidency or being nominated because he doesn't believe in, he believes in anything and nothing.

So he came out and said that Donald Trump was cruel.

This is cruel.

And I was writing a column today about that.

You know, Gavin, you know what is cruel?

Cruel is having the mayor abandon her city and go to Ghana and let it burn.

Cruel is your state Coastal Commission and this County of Los Angeles not allowing homeowners to clean off the hillsides because of your crackpot green ideas.

Cruel is the Los Angeles head of water and power who left the reservoir not be repaired and it was empty.

Cruel is the fire department who didn't sound the alarm when Heidmanst went there.

Cruel is you, Gavin.

who cannot allow Los Angeles to be rebuilt.

The Coastal Commission, the city of Los Angeles, they won't issue permits in a timely fashion.

Karen Bash should have resigned or she should have been subject to a recall.

So what they're doing now is trying to recapture public sympathy and they're trying to create a mass movement.

When you actually look at the demographics of the people throwing rocks and stuff, it's it's either wealthy white affluent kids and middle-class white people and it looks like students, minority students as well.

And you look at the people who are trying to enforce the law, they are multiracial.

So it's kind of a class thing where we, the elite and the educated, are championing the illegal and the people in between, the middle class, tech with them.

But there is not a mass spontaneous protest of 300,000 Hispanics taking the street.

So why is that?

And the answer is that their communities are the most impacted when you let in 12 million people and they swarm dialysis clinics, emergency rooms.

They're on EBT cards and your community and your schools are the most impacted.

So there's no grassroots support for this.

It's elite people doing that.

I would just finish by saying, you know what else is cool, Gavin Newsom?

Is the highest gasoline taxes and prices in the United States.

You should come down here to Clary Kings, Fresno County, and look at poor people when they pull into discounted gas stations to save eight cents a gallon.

They go back and forth sometimes with $30, $20 to fill up their tank.

I can tell you what they don't do, Gavin.

They don't take their 1995 trucks and put in 30 gallons of gas in a big tank or 25.

They don't have the money to pay $150.

They just don't.

And you know what else, Gavin, that you've done in your state?

One quarter of your state residents don't pay their power bill.

They don't have the ability or they don't want to or they can't.

And we're looking at maybe 20% now of car owners and homeowners don't have the money to pay the insurance because you've driven them out.

So rather than grandstanding and talking about cruelty, why don't you ask yourself, Gavin Newsom, why do I have the highest income taxes, the highest gas taxes, among the highest top 10 sales taxes, and yet, and yet I have among the worst schools, the worst infrastructure, the highest property crime rates in San Francisco, why is that?

And I'm running a multi-billion dollar deficit despite a 13.3 income tax rate.

And Gavin, why are you losing 200 to 300,000 middle-class and professional taxpayers every year that are fleeing paradise to go to places that are naturally not as beautiful or scenic or the weather is not as good?

Why is that?

So before you start grandstanding and accusing people of being cruel who are trying to enforce a law that that you're trying to undermine, you should ask yourself very carefully what you've done to California.

And I can tell you the answer, what it is.

There is a bad pattern here that multi-millionaire, inherited wealth, rich people in the Bay Area, siphoning off $9 trillion of market capitalization in Silicon Valley.

live one way and dictate to the rest of the people the other way.

So, Gavin, you're going to call this cruel, and you will not enforce the law and you won't send state troops to help to ensure peace and then you'll go to your $9 million home.

And believe me, it will not catch on fire.

And believe me, you don't worry about the price of gas or your insurance cost or your power bill because you're in a long line.

There was Jerry Brown.

He's in Grass Valley in retirement and beautiful scenic place.

There was Nancy Pelosi with her palazzo and Nava, her big mansion.

There was Camilla Harris.

She's in Brentwood with her husband, another multimillionaire.

There was the late Dianne Feinstein, multimillionaire.

There was Barbara Boxer down in what?

Rancho Moraz, multi-millionaire.

What do they have in common?

They were all left-wing architects of the disaster that's now in California.

And that never, ever did any of them suffer the consequences of their ideologies that were inflicted on people in Bakersfield, Foothills, Inland Empire, Madeira, Sacramento.

That's what happened.

And now for them to grandstand and try to get national attention by saying, this is cruel and this is mean.

No, you're mean and you're cruel.

And you seem to have a propensity for allowing fires to burn, whether they're caused by protesters or your own policies on hillside.

And that's my rant.

And that was a wonderful rant, too.

Well, thank you, Victor.

Well, let's go ahead and go to some messages and then we'll come back and talk a little bit more about this.

I wanted to ask about the media coverage of this.

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And Victor, so I wanted one more thing.

There was an interview by Dana Bash.

You know what?

I confess I don't know who she was interviewing but she was

yeah but she was saying that the 1992 Rodney King riots were real riots and these were nothing in comparison with didn't merit the approach of sending especially sending National Guard and I was wondering that this was so far

so far but the point Dana Bash is that he sent the National Guard because the police officers were on the direction

the directorship of the mayor who basically publicly endorsed these acts of protests, which had turned violent.

Anybody looks at those tapes and sees people throwing rocks at passing cars and burning stuff and confronting the police.

And when you compound that with people in Congress who were violently attacking ICE officers in the past, and you have people in Congress like Corey Booker egging on the protests, well, why would you wait?

We waited before in 2020 and we ended up with a disaster.

And boy,

they learn nothing and forget nothing.

Because Camilla Harris, in,

I think it was June of 2020, said, these are not going to stop.

These protests are not going to stop.

They're going to go on, and they're going to go on, and they're going to go on to Election Day.

They're not going to stop.

And they didn't stop.

And she egged them on.

And same thing, of course, the fact that, no, no, she was talking about the quiet protest.

So

they know what they're doing, and Trump said, I'm not going to do this again.

I did it in 2020.

I listened to the Pentagon.

I listened to federal officials.

I listened to state governors, and I realized something.

They wanted the violence, and they let it go out of control, and they saw the burning, and then they blamed me and said, Donald Trump talks a great game, but there's chaos in the streets.

And then when they went into Lafayette Park and tried to torch the historic St.

John's Episcopal Church, and then they tried to cross the street and storm the White House grounds and sent me into a bunker with my family.

The New York Times and others said he was basically a coward and he forced down.

So we're not going to do that anymore.

Homie, don't play that game.

Yes, and then also just the press covering up and then that LAPD memo coming out covering up what was actually going on.

They were all afraid.

Because the

government and Caruso, who ran and failed to be mayor and wants to be mayor, he was worse than the mayor.

He came out and said that he sympathized with the people who were breaking the law.

And by the way,

I don't understand this.

If you're here illegally and you're residing illegally, you're breaking the law.

So why do they say you have a right?

And if that would be true, why don't you just get rid of ICE entirely and just let people come in?

And the answer is they come in in areas that the people who are protesting, the elites are not.

Karen Bass doesn't worry about somebody hitting her state car and leaving the scene of the accident.

She doesn't worry about going to the emergency room and seeing 20 people there that don't speak English and have no money and you can't get in.

She doesn't go to the supermarket and be behind four people.

She doesn't go look at her lawn and see a bunch of car seats and appliances dumped there.

She doesn't have to deal with any of what most people deal with with illegal immigration.

She doesn't put her kid, if she has kids, she doesn't put them in the public school where they're rated in the bottom 10th percentile of all of them by test scores.

She doesn't do that at all.

Either does Gavin.

Either does Camilla Harris.

Either does Jerry.

None of them do that.

All right, Victor.

So let's turn to the big, beautiful bill.

And I know you've been doing a little bit of reading of it, so I was wondering your reflections, but I have just one concern I think that maybe I share with our listeners, and that is we hear about it, but we're worried that it's going to lead to deficit and greater debt.

So I don't know if you can.

It's a very strange thing because it has all of his promises in there,

both spending cuts and tax cuts.

So no tax on cash tips.

It has in there

continuation of the 2017 tax cuts to stop what Biden wanted therein with the largest tax increase then accumulated in history.

But it also finishes the wall and it hires 10,000 more Border Patrol agents and it's got things in there that people hadn't appreciated, including myself.

It's got a tax on university endowments.

Very, you know, I think it's 2.5 in the beginning.

It's got a tax on remittances to Mexico, which we've all talked about.

That's $63 billion, everybody, and another $60 billion to Central America.

And that money comes from people who are being subsidized by you, the taxpayer, to free up cash, to send back to people in Mexico and Central America that those governments either cannot or will not help.

So you, the taxpayer, are providing social services for the indigenous in Chiapas, Michokan, by way of subsidizing expatriate illegal aliens here to free up their cash.

And it addresses that.

The whole thing hinges on

two things.

Is the Congressional Budget Office a disinterested neutral party that says it will increase deficits over 10 years by up to one to three trillion?

Or is it a more liberal, left-of-center, staffed by academics that kind of don't key thing?

I don't know that answer.

I have my suspicions.

And then the second thing is, what is going to be the effect by the year's end of things we've never seen before?

And by that I mean we have never seen promises of $8 to $10 trillion in foreign investment.

We have never seen a government say we're going to produce gas and oil like crazy.

We have never seen these tariffs because there's a so and we have we don't know how that we don't know the effect of everybody saying this massive tax cut and all these incentives for investment in the private sector.

The weird thing about it is that the economists, the Wall Street Journal, and these voices have all lost credibility.

Because you think the Wall Street Journal, after saying after the stock downturn in March and said we were in a recession, this is the worst thing in history.

It's all Trump's fault.

And then when we covered all of that, the standard and poor had the best May

in 30 years.

And then you had low inflation, 2.1 you had good unemployment 4.2 you had 170,000 new jobs you had income increases real income real savings increases everything every barometer was perfect and yet I read the Wall Street Journal on the weekend today and it's all about corporate people are worried about a recession in the future stock people are wondering where what's going to be effective the Trump it's just like a broken record It's just so much hatred that this guy might be able to pull off prosperity for the middle class and all of the economic thinking the neoliberalism and globalization and free but not fair trade will be proven kind of bogus so it's hard to know but if the economy what i'm if

kevin hasard whom i know and like if he's correct that the economy grows four percent

well we don't know what the effect will be exactly on the 5.2

trillion dollars in annual federal revenue, but it might increase it by half a billion dollar half a trillion dollars so we could see less deficits than we thought plus we would get most of the area that could be walled walled we'd get more border patrol we get all of these institutions that are getting away with murder remittances universities we'd have those addressed so the verdict is out

and the economy is set to probably grow really well it didn't japan started a steel production or is starting is going to invest That's in Pennsylvania.

They're going to hire 100,000 workers.

So

I was looking at the Wall Street Journal chart, and it says, oh my gosh, there won't be enough jobs, 4.2, for all the workers that are being laid off by the federal government.

But what was weird about the jobs report is after losing 50,000 government jobs, they created enough so that those people could go to work.

But they're talking about 100,000 jobs just with the U.S.-steel-Japanese

merger.

And then there are formulas that economists use per billion dollars in investment versus 5,000 jobs, whatever.

If you're talking $8 to $10 trillion, and that materializes, I'm not saying it will, but if it were, those promises, we've never seen, we don't know what will happen is what I'm saying.

You could have so many jobs created.

And then the other thing we don't know about the tariffs is this.

And I mentioned it before, and I talked to some of my colleagues about it

so they say that tariffs are always bad and you should have no tariffs okay but the other countries have tariffs so our economists never say to Europe why do you have all those tariffs why do you want a 250 billion dollar surplus with us China why do you why do you need 1.1 trillion dollar surplus with us?

Why are you doing that?

India, why are you, you know, we'd say all that, but what we don't say is, what is the optimum number, they're making so much money in foreign exchange, what is the optimum number of tariffs that they are willing to swallow and still get access in here and be profitable?

Not necessarily as profitable as they were, but profitable enough they want to continue doing it.

And

they might put up with tariffs in the way that we put up with tariffs.

Only the difference was they would not be running deficits like we are.

They would be running net zero trade balances.

So my point is, Trump in April alone went from

$75 billion in tariff revenue to $150 billion.

I don't know what's going to happen, but I have a sneaking suspicion that China and the EU and Japan and South Korea and Singapore and Taiwan and Canada and Mexico are right now thinking,

let's scream and yell about how horrible and how we're getting killed, but that's all public.

Now, you guys get in with your computers and tell me exactly what that tariff that Trump is implementing will cost us and how much we're profiting from the American market.

And if we lose 10 or 20 percent of our profits, who cares?

I don't want to lose all of them.

And he's willing to do that and play chicken with us.

So if that's true, it's not going to hurt you.

I did interviews with the German and French media this weekend, email questions, and that's one thing they keep talking about.

They never keep talking about

our tariffs are asymmetrical.

It's why are you doing this to us?

We like you.

Well, you don't.

You're doing this because you're being subsidized by us.

And to all, again, my economist friends, I mean that sincerely, not cynically.

If trade deficits are so good, why does nobody but us like them?

Why don't the Chinese say, hey, those Americans, those smart guys, they're running the trillion-dollar deficit.

We got to copy that and get a bunch of foreign investment and everybody come over and, you know, send or why don't the Europeans say, hey, man, the United States is doing so good.

Let's get a 250

or do they say they're so powerful they can absorb it.

It's a bad thing, but they can still make money.

That's why we're going to keep

manipulating them.

But we couldn't do that because we don't have their resources.

They could be a lot l wealthier than they are, but they're not.

But we're not going to do what they do.

They're stupid.

But just because Trump says something, that's what's so weird.

If he has his fingerprints on something, people will reject both logic and their own prior positions just to disagree with him.

Wall Street Journal cannot just say, you know what, that guy is right on these this, this, this.

They can't do it.

And the reason they can't do it is I look at the names of all of the journalists in there and I say, I remember you.

New York Times, Washington Post, Politico.

So.

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But let's welcome.

I think it'd be easy.

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Trump Musk, as the media calls it, spat is going on.

And I know that it's always evolving every day, so you might want to give your interpretation of that.

But I thought that the media coverage,

turning this whole thing into a juvenile spat has

really shows you what the media is.

They can't see the issues as anything but Trump.

Either you're pro or anti.

And I think personally that the media is missing the movement that Trump represents.

And that was the thing that I was musing about in their coverage of Musk Trump.

They really can't see it.

Trump's

challenges as president are very different than Elon Musk's challenges as a president of his own company.

Some of them are public,

but still, answering to shareholders for profit is not the same as constituents.

He's got to deal with 435 representatives and 100 senators.

So Elon can go shut that crowd down, open that plant.

Trump can't.

And when he does think he can, there's some gloryhound liberal district court judge who thinks he's going to be famous for five minutes by saying that he stopped Trump.

For the rest of his life, he'll be feeded at some law school graduation speech.

You know what I mean?

So that's the number one thing.

Number two, Trump's interests are different than Elon.

His interest is to maximize under the mega doctrine

the real income and the opportunity of the middle class.

That of 340 million people, he is worried about like 280 million people, mostly.

Not that he doesn't care about Wall Street or tech or the professional bicostal class, but Mexican-American, black, white, Asian, he doesn't care as long as they're middle class.

Elon is an entrepreneur and a capitalist, so he wants to be profitable.

He wants to be profitable either because he likes money and what it gives power, and that's fine, or he wants to be profitable so he can get more money to pursue more of his ideas, which is even better.

But he wants to be profitable.

So he has allegiances with the largest country in the world population-wise.

I think India might be as big now or bigger, 1.4 billion.

So he wants to get in that EV market.

He wants all of his products to be sold in China.

That's not what Trump wants.

So there was friction.

And then he went...

and did a Harry Hopkins, FDR's best friend, who moved into the White House and kind of became a,

they gave him titles, but he was a private citizen, or Lord Beaver Churchill.

That was never, it never quite worked.

So he came in and he said to Trump, I will cut all this.

And he took a big hit because the left,

he was a man of the left, and they liked him, and he was able to navigate.

But once he took over X,

and once he endorsed Trump after the first assassination attempt,

he was facing headwaters.

So he said basically to himself as a business person, this guy is better for investment.

He won't censor me.

He won't interfere.

He won't make me partner on X with the FBI like Biden did.

He'll let Stegs.

It was a good deal.

And then they got very close.

He put about 300 million.

And so he did not want all of his cuts with Doge.

He was taking a big route, $170 billion.

But then he looked at this bill and he said, unless the economy grows, it's going to have deficits and all my work is wasted.

Well, he didn't understand it's not really a budget bill.

You know, it's a reconciliation.

It's just

budget elements in it.

But the big thing is after Trump has been there a year,

he will be in control of his destiny.

We'll see if he cuts.

I would like him to take the Simpson-Bowles

2009 paradigm and just take it, update it, and use it.

And we would get toward a balanced budget.

But my point is,

there was obviously distances.

So when they got, when he kept saying,

my time is up, my time is up, I understand that, but I want to keep going, Trump was getting information.

Did you scream at Scott Bassant?

Why did Markle keep you out of the State Department?

What is your relationship with defense?

Did you try to get in on...

So he was exercising.

And whether he sometimes takes ketimen, I don't know.

That's some of the rumors.

But he was acting erratically.

And so then when he got angry about that, he kept trying to jawbone.

He used that kill bill from the Tarantino movie, and he used that slogan, kill bill, kill the bill, kill.

And Trump was trying to get the necessity.

He only had about a 4%.

I don't know if people like Rand Paul or Mike Lee were going to vote for it, but he had a very thin margin.

So he was saying to Elon, don't do that right now.

You're my friend.

And he kept doing it.

So then when he he said, I don't know what's happened to Elon, I hope our relationship can be claimed.

And then Elon said, well, that's in gratitude.

He spent $300 million.

He helped the House.

He may have helped Dave McCormick get elected senator, but he did not win the election alone.

He helped.

But if Trump had lost...

Pennsylvania and did what he elsewhere did without Elon's help as much and others, he still would have won.

And then he made the second error.

He mentioned the Epstein file.

Now he's retracted that.

But that is sensitive because the left is trying to find every single thing to use lawfare.

And then he said he was going to challenge him with a third party.

And that would mean that he would try to take off MAGA or conservatives into it, and that would hurt the midterm effort.

So when he was doing all that, Trump was getting angry.

And at the same time, he was getting flack from all of his cabinet agencies that Elon was getting

imperious, Napoleonic.

And so he started to fire back immediately.

Well, maybe you've got to look at these contracts.

And then Elon said, well, you know, I've got a bigger ego than you do, and I'm more outspoken and erratic than you are.

So I'm going to cancel Dragon.

And then he thought people came to him and said, Elon, you're the richest man in the world on paper.

On paper.

But

we are borrowing billions of dollars for AI, for SpaceX.

And it's all predicated on the stock prices.

Do you really want SpaceX to have to go public and sell the stock?

Do you really think that Tesla's not going to be hurt?

You lost $30 billion in your portfolio.

We don't have that kind of cash to do the kind of things you want.

And so now they are quieting down.

And the word is that he has, through third-party texts, like, I don't know if it's David Sachs or Andrees, some of those people that know him and like him are trying to get Trump to call him.

Trump can't call him because he's dealing with Chi and Putin and the theocrats, and he can't look weak, but he can be magnanimous privately.

And I think what he should do,

because Elon is a Renaissance person, and what SpaceX and Starlink have done for the country and X are just immeasurably profitable for all of us.

So it's a mutually advantageous.

He needs to call him and say, look,

we've got to stop this.

I think you were the person, but I'm not going to pursue it.

I'm not going to go after your licenses or subsidies.

That's just out of my hands.

I'm not going to persecute you.

I want to have a stable and mutually advantageous relationship for us and the country.

And here's what we should do.

Once a week, I will set aside an hour for you.

And you call me and apprise me of problems in the country or technological or what the Europeans are doing to help the country.

And I will react that way.

But I will not be vindictive.

And then maybe we can develop and restore the relation.

It will never be like it was

because that was an aberrant relationship.

We haven't had presidents and private people like that since FDR.

And if he were to do that and be magnanimous, I think it would help him.

And it would be he's gotta be careful because

everybody says, well, the Democratic Party only got sixteen percent of the people, yes, that's true.

Nobody likes it.

But that's when you say, Do you like the Democratic Party?

and they say no.

Do you like transgender?

No.

Do you like open borders?

No.

Do you like the Searle's crime people?

No.

Do you like the squad?

No.

Do you like Donald Trump?

I like what he's doing.

So when you compare it to Trump, they go from 16 to maybe 45

to 48.

Republican versus Democratic popularity.

So he could lose the midterm.

Most people lose the midterm.

Most.

Presidents in a four-year term lose the midterm.

It's only two or three times the last hundred years.

If he loses the midterm, zoo, these people are crazy and they will impeach him, and that will eat up, not that it will do much, but that will eat up three or four months.

He lost 20 months with the Mueller investigation for nothing.

That was a nothing burger.

And then the impeachment, as soon as they got rid of him, and the Mueller said, I couldn't find anything.

Then they said, impeachment.

Vinman, he called up this Saramella guy.

That'll eat up another three.

And as soon as that went in, then they started to say,

well, we should look at the alpha ping thing.

Maybe we should take a look at the laptop

and stuff like that.

It was all designed to delay, delay.

And then you have the district judges that are out of control.

Anything that is extraneous and unnecessary right now, and this is an unnecessary fight.

And I know that a lot of people are tired of Elon and

the White House, and they are grinning that this thing blew up, and they hope they punish him.

I wouldn't do that.

I would just say, you know what?

We don't have time.

They hate Elon.

They hate us.

They want to destroy Elon.

They want to destroy.

That's enough for me.

So let's see who the real enemy is.

Victor, let's go ahead and take a break for some messages and then come back and talk

about

some more spats in the media.

So stay with us and we'll be back.

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So, Victor,

ABC has suspended one of its correspondents, Terry Moran, because he called Stephen Miller, who is the deputy chief of staff for Donald Trump, a world-class hater.

And that he said that hatred was his spiritual nourishment.

And ABC said, we stand for objectivity and impartiality, and you're out of here.

And I was wondering if you had any questions.

And that's why George Stephanopoulos,

who, what, on 11 occasions, said that Trump had been convicted of sexual assault when he hadn't?

Even the judge who tried to blend that charge found that the jury had not

had found that.

So, this is what's so weird about the left.

They're always saying we're not disinterested, that we're disinterested, we're neutral.

And then you look at them and they think, okay,

so ABC just settled a multi-million dollar suit because George Stephanopoulos, who's supposed to be a disinterested newscaster, went on a rampage and lied to the American people.

And then CBS had an interview with Kamala Harris, a key interview to help showcase her right before the election.

And they went and edited it and cut out and made her answers not fit the question.

They're being sued by Trump.

And then we had CNN, who lied about a contractor and destroyed his reputation in Afghanistan.

And they settled.

And so you would think that they would call everybody in, the view, all those nuts, and say, don't say a word.

You just go straight down the middle.

You do not editorialize because this guy is going to sue us.

And he got a precedent from Joe Biden.

Joe Biden told the world that it was okay for the FBI to get involved in politics and suppress information of the laptop.

Joe Biden said it was okay for the future Secretary of State, Anthony Blinken, to round up ex-CIA people and lie to the American people to influence election.

Joe Biden got the FBI to work with Facebook and Twitter to to suppress the news.

Joe Biden went after Catholics.

He went after anti-abortion people.

He went after school board parents.

That empowers Trump.

And we might see what he could.

He would Trump Biden if you do that.

So just cool it.

And they can't do it.

They have too many.

It's like Margaret Brennan.

When she was interviewing Scott Bassan, he just said, finally, why do you keep saying what might happen, all the bad things that might happen when I just quoted all the good things that happened right now?

Why can't you just report the good things, but instead you keep asking me about all the good things that will turn bad?

But we don't know that.

We do know these are good.

Unemployment, inflation, personal savings, real income, stock market.

But why don't you talk about that?

She couldn't say anything.

And it's that culture.

It's Christian Amundpoor and Jorge Ramos, everybody, and the guy in the New York Times,

Rutenberg.

They all said the same thing when Trump was elected.

You can't be disinterested.

No, no, no.

If you're a journalist, don't believe the old Columbia law school crap that we're disinterested.

You've got to be partisan because he is such a menace to this country.

You can be biased and opinionated.

That's what they said.

They wrote that.

The three of them.

And so that's what they feel.

And

they're so ignorant, most of these media people.

You remember what Ben Rhodes, the deputy national security advisor for

Obama, said when that was that New York magazine, New York magazine, or intelligence or whatever it was, interview.

And he said, after it was all over and they got that terrible Arandio, he said, man,

I just created an echo chamber.

These people know nothing.

They know nothing.

They're like 20s, 30s-something idiots.

I just fed them just a line.

They sapped it up and I created an echo chamber.

He had nothing but contempt for them.

And you're talking about a media that right now is doing one of three things.

We lied about Joe Biden's health and cancer and we lied about all that and it's his fault.

This is what Jack Tap were saying.

They did it, not me.

I wanted to speak out, but I couldn't.

And then the next group of journalists says, Yeah, we lied, but it's because they lied to us, and we don't know how to investigate their lies.

We don't know how to do independent inquiry anymore.

So Corinne Jean-Pierre said that he was perfectly well, and Joe Scarborough got an order to say he was the fittest he's ever seen.

So what were we supposed to do?

And then there's a third group that says,

yes, we lied, and yes, they lied.

And the fact is, I'm kind of proud of it because I hate Trump.

And that is basically the hardcore.

And they're saying that.

Whatever

when somebody is opposed, they say, Why did he lie?

Jake Tapper says that original.

Why did they?

Well, would you want to help Trump?

And these people are saying, Yeah, that's why we lied.

It's good.

We hurt Trump.

We don't have a real political party in opposition now.

We have some Jacobin revolutionary group of misfits, and then we have no media.

That David Rhodes cynicism is going to get worse because now we have AI.

Ben Rhodes, you mean?

Or Ben Rhodes, sorry.

That it's going to get worse because we have AI now and they are going to be able to feed these young kids just believe anything that is on AI and they will start feeding them.

So or well-ins.

So I'm writing this book for a deadline on Trump's recovery.

So four or five hours every day, I do the footnotes.

And so if I say I'm writing about the 51 Intelligence Authority, and John Brennan got his security clearance taken away, but he said this was unfair because he said this has all the hallmarks of Russian information.

But he said, I didn't say disinformation.

So if you want to Google and say Brennan caught lying or Brennan's dissimulation, and you say that, you will find Brennan unfairly accused.

Brennan, false accused.

It's just crazy.

It's there's

algorithms written into there, all of the Google searches.

It's like everyone I do, it's the opposite of what you search.

You know, if you I bet if you search Donald Trump assassination, they would say Donald Trump talked about assassinating somebody.

It's crazy.

It's some little purple-haired

weirdo that lives in Menlo Park and is working for Google or Yahoo or somebody who's writing this code.

And it's the same thing with universities.

I don't know how you stop it.

I mean, the only thing you can stop it is you have to be like rock-like granite.

You have to say, you know, Harvard, you're going to pay.

You have

23% of your students come from China.

The majority are from Communist Party apparatus.

And

you are not going to partner with them anymore.

We're not going to give you visas because you don't tell us who they are.

You don't audit them.

And we're going to tax your endowment because you're not disinterested.

You're a propaganda machine and you're anti-Semitic and you're gouging us on federal grants and you are defying the Supreme Court's orders on racial discrimination.

And we're going to tax you 3% or 4% on your endowment and cut your federal funding.

And then when everybody goes, you horrible person, you're destroying the oasis of edge.

You're just going to have to say,

call it sticks and stones may break my bones, but

words will never hurt me.

Just say that.

Of course.

And then let's turn to another media.

This time it's a social media spat between the young generation, speaking of the young generation, and that is Simone Biles, the

gymnast, and Riley Gaines, the swimmer.

They're both excellent, obviously, athletes in their own right.

Biles apparently said Gaines doesn't support the trans cause and that she should pick on someone her own size, which would be male, trying to insult her with being male.

I don't understand what she's saying.

I mean,

Riley Gaines was commenting because there was a terrible series of news stories that all proved what she'd been saying.

There was this Minneapolis baseball team with this male.

They just kept pitching him because they just, in girls'

softball, there's no limitation because you're not throwing overhand about wearing out.

He just kept pitching every game and winning.

And he's a boy.

Then there's a lawsuit against that Leah Thomas that he exposed his sex organs and

to women.

And then there was this Clovis about 30 miles from here, state meet, where this A.B., what's his name, Gonzalez?

I don't know his name.

A.B.

Hernandez, yeah.

A.B.

Hernandez and his mother were bragging that he kind of swept it.

And then we had something, and it all happened at once.

So Riley Gaines was kind of the point woman said, this is unfair to all these women.

And so Simone Biles, I couldn't understand it.

She just went on a tirade and attacked her.

And what was weird about it is she got all of her followers to attack her.

So they said, well, you came in fifth.

You never were really a contender.

But the whole point of her argument was that Simone Biles,

if she had to compete against a male gymnast, she wouldn't have won.

They can say all they want.

They said, well, women could win again.

They cannot.

Biles said that herself in an earlier post, and so there was some social media personality.

She said there should be a transgendered category.

You know what, Simone, they tried that, and people don't show up for it because there's not very many transgendered athletes.

There's zero Simone women who have trans to men.

They don't win anything.

They don't even enter.

So you're talking about

a few hundred males who are mediocre, who deliberately go into women to win.

And they do win a lot.

But if you put them in a transgender,

there wouldn't be anybody there.

Nobody would watch.

So she said that, and then she kind of

I think her problem is that she married an NFL star, you know, and she's got all these corporate endorsements.

And she's been told that there's certain things at the corporate world, you have boundaries, and one of them we don't discuss.

Don't discuss race, don't discuss, don't attack transgender, don't do any of this.

You just go, it's typical down the left-wing line, corporate.

So then

I think that's why she was doing the transgender.

Then the weird thing was, is that when she was the Olympia, she just all of a sudden had a nervous breakdown and said she had mental problems, you remember that, and didn't compete.

And everybody was very sympathetic.

And then people were very cruel to her because she's very diminutive.

She does not have a feminine figure, you know, as many gymnasts don't because of overtraining.

So then she starts to attack the body of Riley Gaines, which...

You know, you can say she's an athlete, but she is curvy and attractive.

Why would she do that?

Because it would just bring attention back to all the crude insults that people leveled against her.

And she now is not an empathetic victim when she's a victimizer and engaging in the same type of slurs and smears that she was complaining about.

Then she just kind of melted down.

The result of it is I think her corporate sponsors are saying, oh, my God, this is a train wreck.

If we put her on TV and she endorses a product, the sales will go down.

And I predict that she's either going to go, they're going to call her up and say, we give you X million dollars.

You shut your mouth and do not say a word.

Or they're going to say, we love you.

You were so great.

We're not renewing your contract.

Bye-bye, Simone.

Perhaps.

Because it was so obnoxious what she said and so unnecessary and gratuitous.

And, you know, you don't need to do that.

Well, Victor, we're at the end of our show.

And so I wanted to look at some of the comments made both on your website and on YouTube on the David Mammet interview that we just put on this weekend.

Everybody, you should go watch it.

We have the video up this last weekend, sorry.

We have the video up this last weekend as well.

So here are some comments.

One's from John Perez.

He says, I had been seeing Mr.

Mammot doing interviews lately regarding his new book and his film, Henry Johnson, and was hoping to see him on Victor's podcast.

I got my wish.

David Mammet and Victor Davis Hansen are dynamite.

Eric Kohler said, Dear Mr.

Hansen,

Kohler, Kohler, Kohler, sorry.

Dear Mr.

Hansen, truly one of the most enjoyable interviews I've heard in years.

Wish you'd consider doing longer form discussions as Mr.

Mammot is so eloquent.

And this should have been a three-hour interview.

I think Mr.

Kohler is echoing a lot of comments that you got on that.

About every month or so, he sends me one of two things.

He's a very talented cartoonist.

So he writes a cartoon, and I have them stored.

And then the second thing is he finds books that I was unaware of, usually about European intellectuals in the 30s or fews that warned our 20s that warned us about the left-wing project.

And he's found them, and he's very interested.

I've been reading them.

And then two other short ones on this, because they were all great comments.

Two bloody great, great men, one bloody great interview.

So go watch it.

That was from N.

Hendrickson, 777.

And then from So One What, not sure if I'm saying that right, but anyway, So One What?

Wow, being able to be part of a conversation such as this is one of the best aspects of technology.

Mr.

Victor and Sir Mamet, thank you for your timely wisdom and sharing with our world.

Namaste, which means

we're going to try to, our problem again is that because we do two, and Jack and I do two as four,

and I would say we get requests now for three or four interviews in addition a week.

So I'm going to try to.

I've never reached out to anybody.

They've contacted us.

But I've known David and I really admire him and like him.

But I'm going to try to get people to come on.

We've had a lot of people, you know, Senator Marsha Blackburn or Ron Johnson or Debin Nunes, but

we'll get intellectuals to to come on and try to draw them out on their ideas.

Maybe a new style show for a fifth podcast, which would be really nice.

Well, Victor Davis-Hanson, thank you for all of your work and for all of your commentary today.

Thank you, everybody, for listening and watching.

And I'm going to be off next week, but I'm not going to be off the podcast.

No, we're going to get

some podcasts on for the week following this one.

So thanks to everybody for joining us.

We always appreciate our audience.

Thank you, everybody, for listening again.

This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hansen, and we're signing off.