Harris' Surrogates, Mexican Cartels, and Political Expediency
In this episode, Victor Davis Hanson and cohost Jack Fowler examine Kamala Harris's entourage of celebrities, how the Left insults their core constituencies, Devin Nunes and the art of selecting a political team, transexual madness and female athletes, Aurora cover-up and Mexican cartels in the US, DEI corrupting the National Institutes of Health, and Daniel Penny's trial.
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For one day.
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Okay.
So
we got
more days off from the
election.
I know as we get closer to it, you and the great Sammy Wink will be talking about the political headlines that are breaking on election eve.
We have some things of great interest to get your thoughts on, though, Victor.
Megan Kelly
has been...
I went on Bill Maher the other day and
was really punching out the whole transitional medical community.
There are cover-ups in Aurora, Ohio, where these crazy Venezuelan, crazy, I mean, criminal, violent
Venezuelan gangs, illegals have come over and taken and have occupied some housing communities.
What else should we be talking about?
I have an idea what we should talk about.
But it's your show.
What is it?
I don't really think that the people that she's wheeling out are helping her.
Yeah, well, I think that Liz Chain, I can elaborate on that.
Yeah, let's, let's, because we, we have, uh, yeah, a Bruce Springsteen, Obama.
Let's get you, let's, let's start off the show with that.
We'll get to that.
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Well, Victor,
you have laid out our first topic.
And
the other day,
Kamala Harris was in Texas, had a big rally, and people were excited about it.
And Beyoncé is one of the reasons why.
And
she did appear, but then she quickly disappeared.
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's out stumping Bill, Obama, Bruce Springsteen.
I don't think anything's helping.
And it seems like all this stuff may be hurting even.
What are your thoughts?
I think they're very out of touch because in the case of Beyonce, this is the second time they tricked their own voters.
It's sort of like insulting them.
You know, they keep saying they're stupid or something.
Because at the convention, remember they floated that rumor that you stay for this very late.
We know that Kamala's address is very, very late, but, but there's going to be a secret appearance by a most famous
popular celebrity.
Hint, hint.
It starts with a B.
B.
Oh, I can't say it, but you know what I mean.
And then all those poor people, and then
CNN and Fox reporters roamed the convention hall.
Are you going to, you heard these?
Yes, Beyonce is coming.
Right.
And then they, it was cruelly.
They just, they had no intention.
She was nowhere near there.
It was just a hook.
So you'd have to listen to Kamala Harris.
So now they do it again.
Beyonce's going to be appearing at this rally.
Well, when you say that, you expect that she could at least do what?
Give one song, one song.
She didn't.
And so people, the weird thing was that
when she was talking and cackling, people were booing her.
But she thought either that they were cheering her or that she had her hands up and she was trying to get the people yelling in her behalf to drown out the boo.
the booers but they they were genuinely angry it didn't work and then they brought in Bruce Springsteen and he's had some health problems but
he his voice is is, you know what I mean?
It sounds like Joe Biden's voice.
And he's kind of
my age.
And so, and he's even more.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's so partisan.
Right.
It's, it didn't work.
He doesn't have that constituency he used to have.
I think he did.
Didn't he do some stuff for Clinton and
Gore?
And Biden, especially, but Clinton and Gore.
And I like Bruce Springsteen.
I've always liked his music, especially after 2001 on 9-11, that album, but
The Rising, that was a good ⁇ but I don't, but he gets in your face and he's got that scratchy, it didn't work.
Everything about the atmospherics,
the attitude of him.
And then, you know, the most bizarre thing, I think everybody would agree with me, was,
why would you bring Lynn Cheney?
Because
she's one of the most unpopular people among Republicans.
So you're not going to get any, I don't think you're going to get very many never Trumpers.
And she has that scowl on her face.
And when she was listening, she had to sit there
between Maria Shriver and Camilla Harris.
And Camilla Harris went into one of her sappy word salads.
And, you know, Lynn Cheney, the daughter of a PhD, as Liz Cheney, Lynn Cheney, you know, head of the National Endowment for the Humanities.
Liz is a lawyer, accomplished.
She's just looking like, oh my God, what have I gotten myself into?
I know that I hate Trump and she hates Trump.
And I know that maybe I can get out there and make sure that my hatred can be reified by his defeat.
But man, this is painful.
This woman is an idiot.
And I've got to sit here and listen to all this sappy liberal stuff.
So she looked really uncomfortable.
And she doesn't understand that, she doesn't understand the mind of the left.
They hate people.
And when they hate you, and they do hate the Cheneys, they hate them with a passion.
Right.
They're in the hate hall of fame.
Yeah.
They are.
I used to scan the news and write something on behalf of Dick Cheney.
I felt bad for him.
He had heart problems.
They call him Darth Vader, Prince of Darkness, Hitler, the Halberton puppet, made his family wealthy at the expense of blood of Americans.
All these terrible things.
And for her to be with the very people who do that and think that she's going to win them over, they're basically torturing her.
They're basically, you know what, it's kind of like, remember when Mitt Romney said all those terrible things about Donald Trump?
Hey, Trump stakes, Trump Foundation, Trump liquor, all a fraud.
He's just a big fraud.
He went flipped out.
And then Trump said, I'm going to fix that guy.
I'm going to float out the idea he can be Secretary of State.
Yes, absolutely.
I will interview.
I'm going to welcome him up.
And then they had Trump had all the media and
Mitt Romney went up there.
And then he just, it was just a humiliation, right?
It was.
He was like sitting at some small table like they were eating dinner.
Yes.
It was just photo ops.
And it was like, look at this guy
who trashed me, getting all dog-like with a waggy little tail, begging me for a scrap at dinner.
And he never got over that.
And
he just went, he's never recovered from that.
And that's what's happening to Liz Cheney.
They are humiliating her, and she's going to bring not one extra vote.
Do you know what this, there are surrogates that work for, not for Kabbalah, but this
Holocaust survivor, I don't have the design.
And
the family of theuthentic.
He showed the tattoo in his arm.
And he said, Donald Trump likes the Jewish people.
He's not Hitler.
To mention Hitler, who wiped out my family as Donald Trump is an insult.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
It's all about authenticity.
And so,
you know, Obama, then they bring out Obama.
And the problem with that was multifarious.
I mean, because, you know, they had just came over this consequence of Donald Trump saying she ain't black.
And then they had all these focus groups, MSNBC and CNN, thinking that people are going to be outraged.
They said, what did you think of Donald Trump saying that Camilla is not blank?
And the African-American men assembled said, she ain't.
She's not.
She never identified with us.
She always said she was the first Indian.
And
the point is that when you bring an elite elite
who is partially African American, especially in the African-American community, when you have a predominance of black mothers raising children and having a strong bond.
And then you're bringing somebody with a white mother who never really identified as black until he dumped his girlfriend, went back to Chicago, and reinvented himself from Barry Sortello into Barack Obama.
And then he's telling you
to vote for a half-black woman whose mother was white, and you're telling people who had two black parents that they are not authentically black.
And you have a history of that when you think of Joe Biden saying to Charlemagne, Dagad, you ain't black,
or we're going to put you in chain, it doesn't, or the whole corn pop saga.
The whole thing is bad.
It doesn't look good.
And so these surrogates are not working.
Then they had Bill Clinton.
And you think when Bill Clinton gets out there, they would say, now, Bill,
You're very successful.
You're a consummate politician.
Now, but there's one thing.
Given your history, do not, do not under any circumstances make any crack about women being attractive, especially at your age.
You've had heart, you can hardly talk.
You look decrepit.
You look like
you've been too many trips at Jeffrey Epstein's island, to tell you the truth.
And don't mention flirt.
Do not mention flirting.
That's all we ask, Bill.
So what does he do?
He gets out there and said,
I used to flirt with Ed L.
Kennedy.
Yeah, I was innocent and we flirted.
And, you know, Carrie Lake is going to lose, but man, she's good looking.
She's a good looking woman.
That's going for her.
And, you know,
that's all everybody remembered.
It was,
and, you know, with Barack Obama, you would say, now listen, Barack,
you can do a great help for us, but you got to remember just one thing, Barack.
Do not.
Do not do three things.
Do not act as if you just walked out of either Colorama Mansion, Martha's Vineyard Mansion, or the new Hawaii beachfront mansion.
Just don't come across as you're exuding elitism and privilege.
Number two,
do not,
do not go into your fake inner city black accent and try to be falsely intimate with your words that you never use among your predominantly 99%
white friends like brothers.
Right.
And third, just remember, do not talk down to people like they're victims of Marxist false consciousness.
Don't do it.
They're educated, smart people.
Don't say you don't know what you're doing.
I have to instruct you that you've been misled by not voting for Kamala.
And he did all three.
Came across as an elite snob, fake accent, brothers.
You people, I'll tell you, you know, I had much better success with black people than she did, but it's because, you know, she's a woman.
Come on, you don't know what you're doing.
I've got to instruct you.
So all of them were disaster.
And that's
this, like, he's a magic bullet,
Obama, but we have to remember when he was president, how
every time he was in public, it hurt his party and it drove Republican.
Republican governorships and control of legislators.
They lost
1,400 offices.
Everybody should remember one thing about Barack Obama.
To see him and to hear him was not to like him.
He was below 50%.
And then a strange thing happened.
In 2015,
the disagreeable and unlikable Hillary Clinton and the controversial and occasionally crude Donald Trump came on the scene and Barack Obama said, oh my God.
These are two life rafts.
They have low positives.
So what I'm going to do is be above the fray.
I don't like Hillary.
I don't like Trump.
I'll keep out of it.
I'll go to the golf course.
I will smile and I will not be seen or heard.
And the more people don't see me or hear me, and they hear those two, they'll think, you know what?
That Obama wasn't that bad.
We didn't see him.
He's just kind of a functionary.
He's a black guy, first black.
I kind of like him now that I don't have to hear him.
And he went up in the polls to about 54%.
And now when he comes, every time he comes back, he destroys that because to hear him is not to like him.
And so
I don't get the idea of surrogates.
You have to be authentic.
And one thing about
Tulsi Gabbert, she comes across is kind of eccentric.
And so does Vivak, and so does...
Kennedy, but they all have one thing in common.
They say things that whether you agree with them or not, you know that they believe what they're saying.
They're not like Bill Clinton or Obama or Liz Cheney.
In other words, you might think they're a little crazy, Vivak or RFK Jr.
or Tulsi, but they're authentic and they have kind of a likability about them.
And they're not egocentric narcissists.
At least they don't.
Especially Tulsi guy.
Tulsi.
A little more normal than the other two.
You know, I think I told you, we had to go to a very rural place once and speak, and I didn't know who the other speaker was, but it was Tulsi.
Right.
And we had to do a lot of, because it was a very generous honorarium, and the people in Texas were wonderful.
And they were, especially at this place, I won't mention it, the place, but we were together and we had to do about three and a half hours of meet and greet.
photo ops,
VIP, and she didn't bat an eye.
If somebody came up and said, I got to have a, you know, the 1500th photo op, she said, I'd be so happy.
And then when she was signing her book and I was signing, she said to me, this is so nice that we can help these people.
If
they really liked a book that we wrote, isn't this great that we get to have people that will come up and want our signatures?
I sat down to dinner.
She gave a very good talk.
She came back.
It was just a very pleasant evening.
She's very a nice person.
She's very bright.
Now, I remember how she eviscerated Kamala Harris in that debate.
And
that, and, you know,
Virak,
I think he's just out there sometimes.
And he's all wrong.
But when he gets on a certain point and he's right on it, man,
he can drive it home like no one.
Right.
I would not want to debate him.
No.
He's got a fucking.
He's too supercharged.
Wouldn't wouldn't it be weird if they put rfk at something like cdc
or uh i can imagine scott atlas hhs jay bacharia uh nih
uh rfk cdc tulsi gabbard head of veterans affairs uh
gosh vivac head of pbs and npr
well they're gonna need well they're gonna talk about nih later because they they're gonna need um uh someone there uh uh definitely hey Hey, Victor, first before we move on a little, I just want to, you may want to talk a little more about
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lies in it.
I've always liked him.
I've met him a few times, and
he is a nice guy.
And Victor Wonderland, I'm sorry to jump in here, but he just, there was something about him at one time where the folks on MSNBC were mocking him as
a farmer.
Yeah, I wrote a column about it, you know, that he was out of his league and everything.
The thing about him they didn't understand is
he has
he really does have two things that's very rare.
He has some of the most natural political instincts.
They're very good.
And he's got natural intelligence.
And
he really, he was the one, without Devin Nunes, we would have never known about the steel dossier.
Well, courage, too.
Yeah, yeah.
And he didn't care.
When I say instincts, cunning, he understood what the left was up to, that they wanted to destroy Donald Trump by any means necessary, and that
he knew that that dossier was false.
He knew that Comey was hiring Christopher Steele as a contractor.
He knew, he knew, he just knew that the DNC was hiding checks from Hillary to the DNC
to Perkins-Coey to Fusion GPS and finally into the hands of Christopher Steele.
He knew what Nellie Orr was doing.
He knew what the legal counsel, James Baker, and one of the way, you know,
a person who makes choices of people who are very intelligent reflect very well.
But my gosh, when you looked at Devin's staff, I know that Cash Patel was very controversial, but he's very
sharp.
He's sharp.
Your discussion with with him a few months back was terrific.
I recommend folks go back and find that.
And then also, I won't mention his last name.
I don't want to embarrass, but my good friend Jack.
Jack, yeah.
Yeah, he's a PhD.
Yeah.
He was a very successful book editor, and Devin deliberately selected people around him
that were highly intelligent, highly gifted.
And that's very important because Camilla just said the other day, you know, you can always tell somebody by their first big selection.
And she picked someone that she knew was a buffoon, Tim Waltz.
I'm not a big fan of Josh Shapiro.
I think that he's an opportunist.
But I will say one thing.
He's an excellent speaker.
He's a great retail politician.
He's very popular.
in Pennsylvania, and he's about as
supportive of Israel as a mainstream Jewish-American politician in the Democratic Party can be.
And
if she loses this election, that will go down as the biggest blunder in modern history to point that buffoon waltz, pathological for Vericar.
And
when you look at that and Trump's selection of J.D.
Vance, I mean, he picked somebody that could go mono-to-mano with any journalist in the United States and defeat them.
He's articulate and he's analytical.
It was a great pick.
And that same thing,
when you ask Devin, why was your Senate House Intelligence Select Committee so successful, he'll say that he had a wonderful staff.
Exceptional.
Exceptional staff.
And he hand-picked them.
I have to tell you, Mrs.
Fowler mentioned Tulsi Gabbard before.
And look, we got to get through the next week.
But, you know, we're betting, I'm betting
it's Trump Vance.
And, and that kind of makes whether they win or lose, JD Vance's, you know, stock has, has risen dramatically.
And my wife's very excited about the prospect of Vance Gabbard 2028.
But we got to get through next week first.
So, and Victor,
we, um, What should we be talking about now?
Well, let's have a quick little thing because we have some bigger issues to go to.
Back to politics, but your great friend, and she's a huge admirer of yours, who isn't Megan Kelly, she was on Bill Maher's show the other night.
And she gave folks who are on X or wherever, you know,
find the
video where
it's about a minute and a half where
she talks to Maher
about the whole transsexual madness being imposed on our children.
She is so powerful and concise how she makes the case for the madness of lopping off body parts.
And someone in the audience started to groan, and she gave him
a what for in a way.
And so did Marr.
She was not arguing with Marr.
But
she thinks this is the issue of our times, the social issue.
And I think there's a case to be made for that.
But it could not have the side in defense of children from being sliced and diced could not have a better advocate than Megan Kelly.
I don't know if you saw the I saw a clip of it and I go on once a month on her on her show and
certain people find the media that the medium that best fits them.
She was very good at Fox but when you're an anchor woman there's certain you know you have to you have to interpret the news, you can opine, but there are limitations and you can see how people react to those limitations.
But once she had her own podcast and it's very, very successful, she can say and that gives her an opportunity to use all of her talents and not worry about the consequences of who gets offended.
And she's very courageous.
And you know what I don't understand about the
transgender issue is that if you're a liberal, And you support the doctrine of transgender, and I don't know what term we should use.
The prior terms were transsexual or gender dysphoric or transvestism, which is the desire to dress up like somebody in the opposite dress fashion, but not to change physically, biologically your sex.
I think you would say that Bruce Jenner 50 years ago would be called a transvestite rather than a transgender person.
But nevertheless, the thing that gets me bewildered is all of the liberal pieties, I shouldn't even make fun of them, all the liberal positions, this issue violates.
It really does.
So liberals have told us that it's very important to give women parity and that men have dominated sports and they, Title IX, et cetera.
We didn't give them dollar for dollar.
And the fact that the men can fill the basketball,
the football stadiums, and get more revenue, and that women's soccer or women's volleyball don't get the money.
That doesn't matter.
The universities have to take money from men's sports to subsidize equestrians, whatever,
aquatic swimming, dancing, whatever.
And because of it, it's so important.
And yet, this transgender movement is destroying women's sports.
It's giving biological men this not only an advantage, it's not unfair because of their muscular skill, but it hurts women.
Well, feminism ink stands aside.
And they don't do anything.
The other thing we've been told by the left, Hillary couldn't, in 2016, she and Nancy Pelosi couldn't finish a sentence without the children.
We're doing this for the children.
It takes a village to raise the children, children.
We're going to protect the children, children, children, children.
And yet, you have these children.
preteens, 11 or 12, and
they're having decisions made for them.
When they're confused, nobody knows what they're doing, 11 or 12 or 13 or 14, and yet they're making life-changing, irrevocable decisions for them without protecting them at least till they're 16 or something.
Another liberal piety is that you can't trust big pharma because they always try to push dangerous drugs and they have side effects and they don't really tell you what they are.
They're not natural.
They're not integrative medicine.
Supplements, herbs, exercise, diet, these can cure much of our maladies.
But Big Pharma wants profitability with these infusions and these injections and this pillpocking.
And then we go to the AMA and
the doctor's lobby, and they all get lockstep around big pharma.
Well, this issue is,
you know, you're going to inject a 14-year-old guy with some of the most dangerous hormones and growth.
enhancers and
alterations.
And then you're going to be told by the official groups of medical doctors that you can't dissent from this.
That the AMA's position is that once a child believes that they are trapped in the wrong physical body, then you are obligated to go down this trajectory of very dangerous chemical usage, hormonal usage, surgery.
So what I'm skinning at is any classical liberal who looked at this and said, you're depriving children of the freedom.
You're making decisions going to change or ruin their life.
You're walking right into
the realm of big pharma.
You're trusting all of the big medical associations' profitability.
These people at these hospitals are making fortunes with trans sinners.
And they're making...
Capitalism is making a buck off people's misery.
And you're destroying women's sports.
You'd think that liberals would not be for it.
You wouldn't think the gay community would be for it.
But it's just, I think it's,
they've decided that they have run out of civil rights causes.
That there was the
1960s with blacks, Latinos, then women, then gays, the disabled, which is, they were all notable and necessary movements.
But then they get to, well,
who's been victimized next?
Tram.
And we take point,
you know, one out of what, 10 to 20,000, and none of us
that suffers genuine gender dysphoria.
And then we say 30% of some undergraduates at, you know, exclusive schools feel they're transgender.
It was kind of a Me Too hysteria.
Right.
Well, the people,
the people responsible for this, Victor, I have a feeling they are.
playing God.
In 20 years, it's going to be regrettable.
Yeah.
Well, it's regrettable for people who have already gone through it.
And it didn't, lopping my woman's breasts off and making her a man didn't cure the depression she had when she was 12.
And
she's in her late 20s and she commits suicide.
You know, congratulations, American
psychology.
I'm so happy that Megan's right at the point of the spear on this issue.
She's terrific.
Hey, Victor,
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hey we're back with the victor davis hansen show again we are recording on the uh 26 saturday the 26th of october today's episode is up on halloween uh october 31st stay tuned tomorrow and the next oh
um all saints day
where the saints come marching in and then you know the next day after that by the way victor Victor, I will get Catholic, is All Souls Day.
There's a difference.
But on All Saints Day and All Souls Day, Victor and the great Sammy Wink will be talking about breaking news on the final podcast prior to Election Day.
So stay tuned for them.
Victor, here's the New York Post yesterday article by Jenny Tay of Tayer, I believe how she pronounces it.
Aurora Cops expressed concern about Trenda Arugua.
I don't know if I've said that right, but that's the name of these violent Venezuelan criminal gangs.
But officials gaslit them according to leaked emails.
So
last year, the cops in Aurora said,
this is bad, what's developing here.
We've got to do something about it.
And the leadership of the town, and this has come out, you know, subsequently, this has been part of the presidential campaign but no everything's fine of the mayor of aurora there's no problem here well there is there are big-time problems and it's been known for quite a while and suppressed uh at the at that point for for nearly a year victor this is um i don't know that we should be surprised that um bureaucratic officials don't
tell you exactly what's happening yeah go ahead it happened here in the san joaquin valley there was a little a very nice town on the west side called Mendota, and it basically was taken over by M13.
And they had to finally get a multitask force of sheriffs, FBI,
local police, highway patrol, undercover and break it up.
And here, I won't disclose my location, but
four years ago,
I would say one quarter mile from my house, there was a shootout
between Norteño's gang and Sereño's gang.
And what I'm getting at is when the officials look at this,
they
ask themselves, how would you stop this?
How would you break it up?
How would you?
And then they start getting very scared.
And they will tell you off the record that they will get a phone call from a gang member, say, we know where your family is, or we know where your son is,
or
next
month, or they will get a call from Mexico and say, I will be up there in the Fresno area in a day.
And so
they don't know how to react to it.
But they do know that
to disguise or to mask or to alleviate
to contextualize your inability and your impotence to do anything, they can virtue signal.
So they can, so the people in Aurora,
they don't want to deal with it.
And what do they fall back on?
Well, there's a lot of racism.
It's a minor little problem.
And we treat
immigrants with dignity here.
And it's targeted at the people of color.
And we've got to be very careful about just these blanket accusations.
I hope that works it so they don't go after me.
And that's what is really going on.
And that happens all across the board.
So the louder a municipal official says that he's very worried about immigrant bashing when anybody raises the question of gang infiltration and violence, the more you know that he's terrified.
And
I don't think people, I don't want to be too explicit, but in the area that I live,
There have been in the last five years a number of revelations of major crime, drug dealing, murders, where there have been people
who are
Mexican cartel members, not local gangs even, who are U.S.
citizens or legal U.S.
residents, and they are living here.
And they have a direct conduit with the cartels.
And if you were to cross them as a public official or as a private citizen, they have access to people who
can do some very terrible things.
And that creates a great deal of fear.
And people do not want to speak out against the gangs because of the cartel factor.
And that means even when you go up in the Sierra foothills and you're hiking in the spring or summer and you run across a very strange type of
place.
Yes.
And it can be booby wired, you better get out of there because if you confront somebody
about illegal drugs or if you're an environmentalist and you go there and you see a little creek that's been used in a different way from just camping and being polluted or there's no porta potties and there's defecation along this area and you complain, you better be very careful because that person up there growing marijuana or a meth lab has connections with people who take care of criticism in a different way than we're accustomed to.
And I've talked to people.
I've had people come to my door with a teardrop right under their
eyelid.
And it's very scary because you don't know.
And I've had people run,
as I've mentioned, into the vineyard and then into an orchard and abandon their car and then come back a day later after they've evaded the police and they want their car.
And I've had to tell them that it was towed away by the highway patrolman and I don't have the ability to possess it or confiscate it to make up for the thousands of dollars that the person I'm talking to has committed.
Right.
And rather than arguing.
Yes, I just say, I do not have your car.
I did not sell your car.
And you did a lot of damage to my property, but we're going to just call it quits.
Would you please politely leave?
But at least two of the five cases, it was very clear by their insignia imprinted on their skin, tattoos, certain block letters, teardrop, that they were members of a very violent prison game or a cartel.
Maybe I think too crudely, Victor, and I know
weekly know our history of using the military related to Mexico from over 100 years ago, but it just seems like this is above
police department
day grade.
It's a military matter.
First of all, the cartels are much better armed than our police forces.
They have things like javelins, you know what I mean, RPGs.
They have landmines, they have hand grenades.
So police are overmatched.
And in Mexico,
the police have a high propensity of having some people that are compromised.
And it's happened occasionally here as well, too.
It happens with the Border Patrol, too.
So
it's a problem.
And the only way that you can really solve it that I can understand is you have to build a wall, you have to be very tough on immigration, but then you have to tell the Mexican government that if this 100,000 deaths keep occurring, that you're going to give it economic worries and problems like it never imagined.
And then that has to be posed as a greater threat to their financial health than the danger of clamping down on the cartels.
And what do I mean by that?
You have to sit down with the president, the new president of Mexico, if you're Donald Trump, and say, look,
you guys are not, I'm not saying that Americans are completely without culpability taking drugs, but you are deliberately disguising fentanyl as prescription drugs, as thallium, as Adivan, as Seccanol, etc.
You're even making it look like candy to get people to take it.
And that's killing 80 to 100,000 people.
That's an act of war.
And you're doing it on the bidding of China that gives you the raw product.
So, if you continue to do that, we're going to build a wall.
We're going to get rid of catch and release.
We're only going to let in 200,000 people from all over the world on a merocratic basis.
We're going to start bussing people over there.
Now, that's already going to happen.
But if you continue to do this, this is also what we're going to do.
We are going to tax you 20%
on the 60 billion that our citizens, your citizens that are here and residents, send back.
And we are not going to allow anybody on public support who comes illegally into this country send money back to you.
If they send money back to Mexico, we're going to cut off public support because we are subsidizing this.
Our taxpayers are giving money for health care, housing, food to free up dollars for Mexican nationals, Central American nationals, Latin America to send money back.
And we're going to tax it.
And you're going to have to pay us about $12 to $15 billion
a year if you want your remittances.
And we have all sorts of things.
And Donald Trump is going down that trajectory very successfully.
And I think that's what Mexico will listen to.
But if the new Mexican president, who is a neo-communist, if she thinks she's going to threaten us and say, listen, you know, gringo and you guys are imperialist
and we're protectors
and interfere in our politics like Obador did, you know, I urge all Mexican nationals or Mexican Americans not to vote for Republicans.
And isn't it beautiful that I sent 40 million people the last 30 years and all that stuff?
I don't think it's going to go down.
I really don't.
I think people are sick of it.
And Mexico should be very careful what they're doing.
Yeah.
Very.
All the dead bodies here.
If you came from Mars and you sat down with the President of the United States and you were a Martian and you said, I want to go over who your enemies are.
Number one, which country
is killing more Americans each year?
Is it Iran?
Is it Russia?
Is it China?
Or is it Mexico?
No brainer.
Which country is colluding with your enemies,
the greatest number of your enemies to hurt you?
Which country?
Is it Mexico?
Yes.
Which country is trying to undermine the rule of law and come into your country and change it from demographics to politics in a very cynical way?
It's Mexico.
And yet,
you know, we don't talk like that.
But in a real world, if you look at...
issue by issue by issue.
The Mexican government is an enemy of the United States, not the Mexican people.
And that's why they leave the Mexican government and they come here.
The Mexican government knows that if a person leaves Mexico and they come to the United States and they don't go back for a long time, they will start to, as any immigrant would,
develop a fondness for Mexico.
So if I leave this podcast and I drive down one avenue in which I live and I make a left or right turn either direction, I will pass two or three, I guess you would call them, canteens that have become restaurants,
and they will all have Mexican flags.
If you were to go there and ask those people, would you like to go back to Mexico and run your canteen?
No, no, no.
Why are you, why don't you wave an American flag?
Well, I'm very proud of my Mexican heritage.
And the subtext is, I don't have to go back there.
So it's kind of like my grandfather, you know, who said,
oh, I love
Volvo cars, but the idea that he would ever go back to Sweden or something.
Yeah, right.
And his Electrolux.
Yeah, Electrolux.
And
those little alphabet butter cookies I eat like candy.
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So, Victor,
two
bigger things I hope
we'll make the time to get your thoughts on.
First is Chris Ruffo,
who's just written a piece
for City Journal.
By the way, City Journal, it's the magazine and the news website of the Manhattan Institute.
I think Victor is a contributing editor.
I noticed City Journal.
City Journal comes out quarterly.
It is a terrific publication.
It's one of the best, it may indeed be the best right-of-center publication in America.
I don't mean to disparage any other publications.
I just love it.
I think you should check it out.
Chris Ruffo writes a lot.
for the City Journal.
In fact,
much of his prominence over the last few years has come from what he's published there.
So,
a piece by him is about the National Institutes of Health and how DEI has corrupted it.
So, let me just read quickly here, Victor, the opening of this article.
And then, if you please comment.
The National Institutes of Health, which provides funding for breakthroughs in medical science, allegedly, has long enjoyed a trustworthy reputation.
But in keeping with the Biden administration's, quote, whole of government equity agenda, end quote, the NIH has shifted its priorities away from science and toward quote the science of scientific workforce diversity whatever that that means end quote subordinating medicine to the latest ideological fad diversity equity and inclusion or DEI with the help of open the books a non-profit research organization we have obtained documents detailing the nih's descent into left-wing racialism the agency, which is supposed to prioritize hard science as.
Oh, I've lost the last quote on this.
I've lost the last page.
Yeah, I think that's enough anyway.
Yeah, I can.
Well, it's made DEI its top priority.
There you go.
Yeah.
Chris Ruffo is a really courageous guy, and he's very astute.
And what he's trying to remind all of us is that DEI
is
like the Russian commissariat under the Soviet Stalin.
And that was a ubiquitous, ubiquitous ideology that permeated every aspect of life.
And it was a drain on the economic, social, political, cultural stability of the whole Soviet system.
And what do I mean by that?
It meant that when you attached commissars to the army, or you had party members auditing people in hospitals,
or you had people in universities.
Every single thought, practice, action had to synchronize with what this bureaucrat thought furthered the goal of Marxist progress.
That is radical government-enforced
equality to champion the so-called
proletariat.
And what it does is in two manner,
it really destroys things in two ways.
You destroy the rule of science and logic and you put ideology and relativism in there.
So if General Zhukov says we have to make a strategic retreat and somebody said this, the Commissar says this will be betraying the spirit of the revolution, then you lose an entire army group.
If you're in a hospital and somebody says, I think I have to reorganize this wing because of sanitation or and somebody then comes comes in and said, well, let me adjudicate whether this furthers the effort of the peasant class or the oppressed or whether you're part of an oppressor.
And it has nothing to do with hygiene.
So what he's saying is that
there's two things wrong with this.
One, it starts to pervert scientific logic and analysis and it subjects to subjects it to political expediency that has no logic to it.
DI.
In other words, all the decisions that were going to be made in healthcare will say, does this further the aspirations of the so-called non-white,
non-heterosexual, non-male, non-Christian?
And to the degree that we can make an argument that they do, then we're going to support it.
And the second is,
It's very costly and it doesn't produce anything.
So it doesn't just commit
the sin of commission, but it omits too.
It doesn't allow money and funding for what should be really done.
And so once these hysterias start to take place, everybody wants to get in on it.
I saw it 10 years ago, 20 years ago in classics.
So you would have philologists, you would have great archaeologists, you would have wonderful ancient historians.
But they felt that their research and publication must reflect the diversity, equity, inclusion initiative.
So, rather than using these refined skills to further knowledge of the ancient world,
where did people live?
How did they live?
What did they think?
Is the text of Euripides' Bacchae genuinely finished, or can we make further advances in the manuscript?
That was out the window.
It was, how can we promote trans equality?
Ah,
sexual ambiguity of Dionysus, a cross-dress dressing in Euripides' Bacchae.
And you would have to discuss issues like that to get published in journals or to get a job.
If you look at scholarship Jack between 1933 when Hitler took over from Hindenburg, all the way to maybe 1945,
and you look at German universities that were publishing things on ancient history or modern sociology or philosophy, there was a racial element in everything.
So when
they would look at the Roman Empire, they would say, oh, we have to recalibrate this idea, because really, when Caesar or the later imperial Romans went into Germany, they did not really see a subordinate,
non-sophisticated, non-civilizational people.
They saw people who were really blood and soil.
They had never been tainted by marrying people given the bulwark of the Danube and the Rhine.
So they were pure Aryans.
And then all research would follow.
But it was completely a lie.
And so
that's what he's worried about.
And it's very dangerous because
it's bad enough when it's in the history and literature and philosophy, but as Chris says, when it gets into science,
do you really want somebody to operate to take out a meningioma out of your brain because that person was advanced through medical school because he fit a DEI
profile?
Or if he didn't, he wrote articles about the necessity of brain surgeons understanding the effect of brain surgery on particular communities rather than write about
In the 15th minute of a brain surgery, you have to be very careful for this phenomenon that happens in the brain.
And so that's what, that's really scary.
Yeah, we'll see this somehow.
I don't know how.
I can imagine civil engineering.
Somehow we're going to see
how they own into how to build a bridge.
How about
United Airlines pilots or Boeing assembly workers?
It's already starting to hit the structure of this country.
And
I can tell you, I was driving,
we left Paulos Verdes to speak last night, and we were on the 405,
and there was a car that went very fast and it blocked.
There was a five-car pileup on the this was about 1030, 11, almost 11 at night on the 10 from the 405.
Okay,
then you go on to the 10, you go through Santa Monica.
Next thing,
five cars are stopped.
right in the middle of the street because one person is walking crossways
across six lanes lanes trying to find a dog that's paralyzed not hurt but paralyzed by the light going back and forth and then cars are hitting each other and there's two cars wrecked on the side and then you go further and then
one car has sped and gone across the divider and so in that little
22-mile trip back to the hotel where I was teaching, there were three major wrecks all almost simultaneously.
Yeah, and you get the impression something is breaking down in society.
Somebody is not enforcing the traffic rules.
There's not enough policemen on the road to create deterrence.
Something's wrong with the qualifications of drivers.
Somebody is not teaching people how to drive.
Somebody should
do something about this.
But you get the impression that our society is investing capital and labor and other non-productive aspects, like mandated equality of result.
Right.
Checking the
cutting the breasts off of 15 girls.
It's really scary.
Yeah.
And
it affects everything.
You know, if I could just go off topic a minute.
Yeah, please.
I think our listeners might be interested.
I was speaking to a large group last night, and I must have had four people, it was largely conservative, but maybe not entirely, but I had four or five people came up to me, very astute people.
They were all female too.
And by that, I mean it wasn't just a couple or a man.
They were very accomplished women, mostly, I would say, 60 to 80.
And they came up and they were very worried about the election.
And they gave me very arguments, but they were for Trump, obviously.
But I was, on the way home, I was trying to summarize and distill what they were telling me.
And it was very fascinating because it went something like this.
Should we be optimistic or should we be pessimistic about the election?
And
here was their questions.
Well, on the one hand,
Donald Trump has finally caught up to Camilla Harris.
But he's absolutely even in the national or slightly ahead in the aggregate of polls.
Therefore, we should be happy.
However,
however, maybe we should be more than happy because in 2016, but especially in 2020,
that poll, that aggregate poll was two points down and maybe four points in the national.
So maybe even though he's half a point ahead in the national aggregate polls, he might be two and a half, three points.
Then they would stop, take a deep breath.
But Victor, on the other hand,
we thought that was going to be true in 2022,
when the polls suggested that the red wave was not going to materialize as it had.
And guess what?
The polls were right.
So if they were right in the most recent
election, and they now say that Kamala Harris might be one-tenth of a point in the national, shouldn't we be depressed?
Then another woman would would interrupt and say, yes, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Victor, let me make this point.
Because I was kind of leading discussions.
We were standing up.
She said, but Donald Trump, who had been on the ballot in 2016, had been at the ballot in 2020, and therefore suffered from being under-polled.
was not on the ballot in 2022.
So therefore, the pollsters had no prejudicial interest in warping their polls, given that they hate Trump.
but this time they could be intellectually honest, although, you know, they wanted to hurt.
So what the polls said was going to happen more or less did.
And then another person would interrupt and say, ah, but Trump is now on the ballot.
So 2016, 2020 are going to be replicated not by 2022, which was more or less accurate, as you point out, but by 2024 that's going to reflect this ballot because Donald Trump is in the ballot.
Then the next person would say, this is is getting kind of neurotic.
But the next person then would cut in and said, ah,
but even if he's under polling, in other words, he's 0.5 average of 10 polls ahead, and some polls two points in the national, he's got to be four points ahead because the early balloting and the mailing balloting will be handled largely by municipalities in these swing states, and the votes will be centralized, gathered, tabulated in places like Tucson, Phoenix, Atlanta, Savannah, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh,
Charlottesville, Chapel Hill,
Detroit, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee, Madison.
And that, therefore, these are going to be in the hands of very, very left-wing people.
And they may want to do things with it that we can't adjudicate.
It was very interesting.
And I said, well, will you tell me what the sum total is?
And so a woman very confidently said, you've got to be about five points ahead in the poll.
Yeah.
Well,
I think it's magically about three and a half.
If he gets three and a half poll,
reliable polls, I don't think you can ever get.
And we pointed this out last night in this same conversation.
I don't think you can ever get a real clear politics aggregate poll because at least two or three of these main polls are just unabashedly and unshamedly pro-Harris and hate Trump to such a degree that they will give her five points or six points just on the premise that when they aggregate them, they will
give weight to her average.
But nevertheless, if you can look at the most reliable polls, And Donald Trump is three points up in a state or three points up, I think it's pretty clear he's going to win.
If he's up one or two, I think it's 50-50.
If he's just even, I think he's going to have some trouble.
Yeah, two things, Victor.
One, looking at a Mark Halperin
tweet or post on X,
and this is today on the 26th.
This has nothing to do with polls, but...
anecdotal.
Over breakfast at Penn State this morning, I talked to a Pittsburgh area mental health professional who says her business has already started booming with new democratic patients so um you know the the the feeling out there a week out is uh a little weekend whatever nine days yeah i think that's a good that's a good sign i think the republicans though
if i could sum up this group yeah they're very optimistic but they're very tentatively optimistic.
They're thinking,
they say things like, I watched that thing, and I've mentioned it in the podcast.
I watched Arizona and Georgia.
I went to bed, and then they're going to have these dumps.
I know they're going to do it.
And I know that people voted for Trump.
There's not going to be a genuine authentication because you can't with the mail-in ballot.
You just can't.
You can't give the level of scrutiny that you do an open ballot with an ID.
And they mastered this.
But there's cautious optimism.
And then another person pointed out, and
I was amazed at the level of conversation, conversation, how sophisticated these people were.
And then another person pointed out, well, well, well, we've only had,
we have 10 days left, 10 to 11 days, we're going to have October surprise.
And another person, well, they batted down the Hitler, and they've batted down the Kelly quote, and
the Atlantic quote.
And so those calling
Trump fascist, Hitler pervert, that's all been baked into his candidacy eight years ago.
All those those slurs and lies of collude.
So that's not going to hurt him.
And I think that's true, but we don't know what the
big, it'll be interesting what they pull five days, even though early, supposedly early voting and
mail-in would preclude the importance of an October surprise.
But we're still talking about 30 or 40 percent of the votes.
And so it will make a difference in a close race.
And it's going to be very interesting to see if either side side has a major
plagiarism.
That was pretty damning, but you've got to hand it to the media monopoly, the media pravda.
When that came out about Claudine Gay,
excuse me, when that came out about
Kamala Harris, plagiarized her book, it was pretty clear she did.
She plagiarized her testimony.
She even maybe plagiarized incidents about when she was a little girl, that idea.
Took that from Martin Luther.
Yeah, when she did all of that, they smothered that story with a blanket, man.
Yeah.
Well,
I have a thought on that and another thing to maybe wrap up the show, Victor.
And
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I'm sure
the
meeting or the conversation you had the other evening with
these women is about the outcome of the election.
But I think maybe layered in
concern for people, certainly is for me.
I mean, I'm thinking of the Trump and Vance are going to win, but I do have concern too.
Okay, great, they won.
And now what kind of
poop show are we going to face in the immediate aftermath?
Is
New York going to be
the rioting?
What kind of run amuckness are we going to see from the
Antifa wing of the Democrat party?
So you think Madonna is going to make a redux and she's going to come back and say, this time I dream of blowing up not just the White House, but Trump Tower or something?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know.
And there was a big, we forget that
well before January 6th, there was a riot on January 20th of 2017, all through Washington, D.C.
And people didn't really say a thing about it.
They thought it was justified because, again, the thing about Donald Trump is once you declare someone Hitler, then any means necessary to get rid of Hitler are justified.
And that was what we saw in the 120 days of the George Floyd Antifa riots when almost all of the 14,000 people were
let go.
And remember one thing about the left.
If Donald Trump comes in and he looks at the egregious, disproportionate, asymmetrical sentences that were handed out for people who were unlawfully protesting on January 6th,
and he lets them, he gives them amnesties.
And I think he should, but on a case-to-case basis, the left's going to go crazy.
but you got to remember how the left thanks everybody the fact that they let go 14 000 people may june july august september october 2020 that were arrested for assault for arson for looting for vandalism and they let the most almost all of them went that's okay
It's just like it's okay to let in 15 million illegal aliens.
That's okay.
But to deport them and follow the law, not to break it and let them in, but to fall, that is an outrage.
So we've got to expect that these people are going to go crazy if Donald Trump tries to deport people.
They didn't care that they did not go crazy when they broke the law.
They will go crazy when you try to enforce the law.
They don't care on Inauguration Day that people break the law.
If you see people rampaging downtown, Washington, D.C.
and breaking and trying to burn down again the St.
John's Episcopal Church or something.
They don't care.
But if you enforce the law, and then you'll have a guy like Mark Milley say, I was used for a photo op because he wanted to call out the military.
And I've pointed out before, you know,
George H.W.
Bush did it.
And most, a lot of Democratic politicians called out the military.
And Donald Trump said
he'd be willing to do that.
And had they called out the military and beef up the Capitol police as just a deterrent on January, just locked the Capitol and have it ringed around, had a big ring of National Guard troops, there would have been no January 6th.
I think, Victor, we're going to dodge a bullet
by not having President Harris.
But folks who think that it's going to be
easy sailing
are
going to be in for a
surprise.
All the old demons are going to come back.
We're going to get somebody like Christopher Steele, and they're going to come back and have a dossier.
We're going to get some
laptop disinformation, Axios Bank Ping.
We're going to get another anonymous that they're trying to thwart this Hitler.
We're going to get another general or two generals or four generals or the same generals.
They're going to come out and say he's a fascist.
He's Mussolini.
And I dare you to enforce the uniform code on me.
This is a civil rights matter, free speech.
We're going to get all of that.
We're going to get the campuses.
We're going to get both sides, Charlottesville.
It's all going to come back.
And that's by intent.
So we all, this is what they want us to do.
Oh my God, I can't take it anymore.
And I want to get into a fetal position and just put my hands over my ears and say, make it go, go away.
Somebody just.
McDonald, maybe you should just write off.
I can't take defending you.
I just can't take it.
They're crazy, but don't put me through this.
Well, it's not his fault, everybody.
They're going to do it.
But there is going to be one upside.
You get to see the other side of the one-eyed jack, and you really see who these people are.
And they are very violent insurrectionaries, the base of the Democratic Party.
You look at London, we say from afar, well, these are what these crazy Europeans do, right?
Every Saturday, these
look like millions of people in downtown London protesting Israel, et cetera.
Why the hell won't we see that
here every every weekend by
these young, hateful
leftists taking over our well the only reason we might not, the campuses have been relatively quiet, and that's because to encourage the others,
some presidents were fired.
Well,
I meant in the response to a Trump
election.
By the way, I'm not sure that
where I am, because we have a new president, I don't think there's going to be a riot at Stanford University if Trump is elected.
I think we will see something analogous to 2016 when we have therapy tables of, you know,
all.
And the idea is that you go, oh my God, I'm so difficult.
And where can I get my, well, you have to take your finals.
Yes, we have.
We have oat milk.
We have lactose-free milk.
We have almond milk.
We have chocolate chip cookies on.
I'm telling the truth.
And we have have stuffed animals and petting zoos.
So we can, I know you're going through a real trauma, Trump.
You know, this is turmoil and trauma.
It's so hard.
And it's almost analogous as if you were a roofer 12 hours a day doing shingles.
It's just about as bad as being under a house and plumbing a house for 15 hours.
It's just about as bad as driving a tractor for 16 hours.
The trauma and the wear and tear on your mind that Donald Trump inflicted on you.
But have some milk and cookies and
we'll get you through this.
And you know what?
We're going to have faculty just, you know, just kind of say finals can kind of maybe sort of maybe just, we'll give you some extra time.
And we don't really have to turn in the grades as we thought because of the trauma.
Yeah.
And that that that happened in 2016 all over the United States, all over the United States.
I could see this playing out, by the way, Victor.
And I hope I'm wrong.
And I know we're, maybe you get a final thought on this is because we've talked before, you've shared great wisdom in the past about Daniel Penny, who
was arrested and is now being tried.
Jury's being selected in New York City, where he defended people on a train from a lunatic, put them in a chokehold.
The guy died, Jordan Neely.
Daniel Penny wasn't trying to kill Jordan Neely.
He was trying to stop a madman on a train.
But if he's convicted, and I can imagine a New York jury convicting him, you know, a New York jury convicted Donald Trump.
Yeah, I think he will be convicted.
Yeah.
And then I could see a president Donald Trump saying, man, this guy shouldn't be in jail and, you know, commuting his sentence or whatever.
I forget the term now.
I could see that triggering some.
I could see a lot of things being
triggering.
leftist madness.
So, but you're right.
There's no reason to cower.
They're going to do what they're going to do.
You know, it's funny.
I was thinking of that the other day.
If the roles had been reversed, let's say that you had a six foot three
African-American veteran Marine, and he was sitting very quietly minding his own business.
And a white homeless person was going up and down and yelling profanities at black people, white people, Latino, threatening them.
I don't want to get into all the things of the trial, but it had a substantial arrest record as well and threatened to kill people.
And he thought, you know what, I'm not going to sit here as public citizen, given the skills that I have to stop this.
And so that I don't know what this person may do, but he could injure these innocent people and they're terrified.
So if he went to subdue him and then the process put a chokehold on him that inadvertently killed him, what would my reaction be?
I would want to give that guy a medal.
And the reason I say that is I've only had one violent kind of incident in my life as
from people who kind of recognized me.
And I was, I think I mentioned too, I was at the Reagan airport and I was walking out of a flight and I looked around and there was a very tall African-American guy.
But between him, there was another skinny little guy.
And when I moved down one hallway to get, and then they followed,
and then I went down the steps toward baggage claim and I thought, wow, I'm being followed.
And I had a baseball cap on and this guy, the thin guy who happened to be white, came by
and he hit me in the back of the head and knocked my cap off
and said, F you, you asshole.
It wasn't like Juicy Smallet, believe me, it was real.
And he looked like he was on Tifa.
He had a hoodie on.
The African-American guy was much bigger.
He ran right by me and he said, I'm going to get him.
Don't worry.
Stay right here.
And he ran down out the door.
But he was big and the other guy was very skinny.
And he didn't catch him.
And he came all the way back up here.
And I said, what was going on?
He said,
we all got out of the same plane.
And I got out and I saw this guy tailing you.
I don't know who.
He didn't know who I was, but that guy seemed to know you.
And I was going to follow him because I thought he was going to do something.
And when he knocked your thing and I followed him.
And I thought, wow, if he had caught that guy for, you know, assault, I would have been, my hat would have been off to him.
He was a wonderful guy.
And then he came all the way back up.
And he said, I'm sorry that happened.
But when I see stuff like that, I can't stop myself.
The idea that he's tailoring you and you're supposed to be scared of that little guy is disgusting.
He was really a great guy.
Yeah.
And
I think if...
we had that deterrent.
I'm not arguing for vigilanteism, but
you've got to ask where the real real morality is.
So Mr.
Penny is supposed to sit there while this person gets in the face of people and issues threats when he has an arrest record.
And I think that's asking a lot of people.
And you probably think even, you know, my daughter was a nurse,
worked in a, you know,
a school for troubled children.
It was a residential place even.
And what are you trained to do when there's trouble?
Is put them in a suppression hold of some kind.
You know, we think of half Nelson,
as opposed to what?
Getting a stick and clobbering them over the head.
I would think what Penny did was the kind of thing
that you'd want in that situation.
You know, it was another thing I was thinking of when I read about this case.
When I was a graduate student, my wife worked as a
supervisor in a mental hospital in Palo Alto.
And her job was to take mental patients out in a car.
They gave her a van and take them on picnics
and try to get them out of the hospital, not violent ones.
And
any case, I was walking down University Avenue, and this would have been in 1976,
with a former classic student.
And
I won't mention his name, but he was about 6'3, solid muscles, and he was a combat wing beret veteran.
And he, I don't know if he had trauma or not, but he didn't suffer fools gladly.
It was solid muscle, and he'd gone through the worst areas of
Cambodia.
Working with, yes, working with the Hmong against the North Vietnamese.
So my wife was there, and
three were walking, and there was one of the patients that she recognized.
And she had both people who were mentally ill and also people who were retarded.
I shouldn't use that word.
I have a granddaughter who's
special needs, but special needs.
So one of the people came up to her who was special needs and we were on the sidewalk and the person came up going the other direction, stopped and started to talk to my wife and said,
it was very sweet, but could not articulate what she wanted.
But my wife knew what she said.
She said something like, Doris, I know what you're saying.
Don't calm down.
I can't take you on the picnic right now.
And two thugs, I would just use that term.
I won't give you any description.
They came up and started emulating, making fun of the way that guy talked
and just stood there.
And then the guy, I started to move, but before I could move, he hit one right in the throat and decked him.
And I thought he was going to kill the guy.
And I pushed him away.
And he said, basically, I can't stand people who.
do.
And these people were not small.
And if he, I think he would have killed both of them.
And everybody would say, and I said, at that time, I thought, well, you don't want to kill somebody over an insult.
And he said, no,
I want to have a, I want to create an image that they don't do that the same.
Absolutely.
And he said, I feel it's my duty from time to time to intervene, even if it's kind of dangerous.
Bullies need a beat down.
And that's.
He was a Renaissance figure.
He was a brilliant Greek student, absolutely brilliant.
He got a PhD in classics.
He went right through Stanford Law School.
He was a very gifted lawyer.
He was
one of the most physically tough people I've ever seen.
I was in a class with him and
Latin composition and he looks, oh, I look over there and he's pushing a piece of shrapnel out of his wrist.
Oh my God.
It was still in there.
But I mean, he was just a wonderful guy.
But
I'd seen something like that two or three occasions.
He put it on himself that he was not going to allow stronger people to pick on weaker people and intimidate them.
And that's what Penny tried to do.
And we're, you know, summos hominis non dei.
We're just people.
We're not gods.
People.
And so don't do that.
Don't go out and try to intimidate weaker people and threaten to kill them and do all sorts of stuff.
Because if you keep pushing it,
you won't know how society will react.
Yeah.
And frankly, Jordan Neely, who was the
troubled guy here,
he has essentially been abandoned by the state.
So we create these monsters.
We don't help them.
And they clearly needed psychiatric help.
Judges say,
you can't give them their medication.
You can't put them in, we cannot have a mental institution.
These things were and they have no family.
We have no shame.
We have no, yeah, we have no family.
So if a person in your family is mentally unstable or alcoholic or has the ideas that we just say, not going to have that person in my house.
And they let them go.
And even they would, and I understand it's a big, you go take a family member off the street that's homeless and you've got, it alters your life radically.
Well, there's a case to be made for mental institutions institutions and
America has
the destruction of them is
borne out in situations like this.
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This is the last time you and I will
talk
about politics.
Well, who knows?
When we next talk, the elections might still not be official yet.
We've been told that
Pennsylvania won't be done.
I just don't get why Florida's done that evening and Pennsylvania is not done for two years.
First election I remember, gosh,
I was,
well, I was
six or seven in 1960, and I remember staying up with my parents and Kennedy Nixon.
And
there was a dispute in Cook County in Chicago with Mayor Daley, but it was counted.
And they had a result.
And they had,
you know,
it's
not hard.
It's not hard to do.
Right.
If Elon can catch a rocket with a mechanical arm, then the bureaucrat can get the election results in a sophisticated postmodern society by the...
24 hours.
Well,
if they want to.
And if there's repercussions if they don't, but they're not
to God's ears.
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