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I'm solo again in one of our periodic interviews, and Sammy Wink and Jack Fowler are not with me, but I'm very lucky to have with me Rebecca Weber, the CEO of the Association for Mature American

Citizens, and you know it as AMAC.

And we're going to talk to her about how this wonderful organization grew and its influence and her role in it.

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American Citizens, Association for Mature American Citizens.

Rebecca, I know that

you're sort of the balance, the same balance with the AARP, but tell us a little bit

how this started with your father and how it grew and what's your relationship with the competitor, the AARP.

Well, first, I want to say thank you so much.

I am delighted to be with you.

I enjoy all of your commentary.

Your book, The End of Everything is terrific.

I love following you on Twitter.

You are one of my favorites and you've got so much wisdom.

So it is just an absolute delight to be here with you today.

And the story about AMAC, yeah, the story about AMAC is really quite remarkable because it really points to the American dream, something that's dying in America, thanks to Joe Biden.

But this is a really beautiful story.

My father, at age 64 years old, decided that he was going to take all of his retirement savings and put it towards an idea.

And that idea was to form an alternative

conservative to AARP.

And if I could share a little bit about the background, because it's a nice story.

You know, my father, we just celebrated Father's Day just a few days ago, and my father was an incredible

man.

He was an average everyday man.

He did not have much money.

He grew up in Belmore, Long Island, and he dug the cesspools in his backyard.

His parents were quite poor

at age 18.

He married my mother right out of high school and then went right into the U.S.

Air Force up in Plattsburgh.

My mother and father then had their two daughters there while he was on base.

And they went on to have five children.

I'm number four of five.

But we grew up, you know, very, very average.

You know, I wore the hand-me-down sneakers and shoes.

And,

you know, my parents really struggled.

They really did, barely making it.

And that was most of my childhood.

But here's what we did have.

What we had in our family was a love and a love for God.

And I had grandparents, incredible grandparents.

I always remind people, you know, your grandparents.

And if you're a grandparent listening, don't underestimate the role that you play in your children and your grandchildren's lives, because my grandparents were just incredibly good people and they sacrificed everything.

They didn't have much money either.

I'll tell you more about them because they played a part in this AMAC story.

My father worked for Allstate and he didn't like that he only had two weeks vacation and he was making other people a lot of money.

He said, I can do this.

And he built a small independent insurance agency in 1979.

And that grew nicely.

You know, he had eight or 10 employees.

And my parents were now, you know, middle class and growing.

And that was right around the time that I graduated high school.

I went to a few years of college.

And my father said, why don't you come and work with me?

And so my father was my mentor.

He was my guide.

Well, I was in my 30s now, fast forward another 15 years.

And my father was getting ready to retire.

and he saw that me and my brother could take over that small independent insurance agency.

And he was an AARP member himself.

And he said, the AARP has betrayed me.

He said, they just gave Harry Belafonte the Man of the Year award after coming off stage, shaking Hugo Chavez's hand.

And Chavez had just said that George Bush was the greatest terrorist threat.

Let me ask you

at this point.

So we're talking about the American Association of Retired Persons.

Yeah, and I understand they don't use that full name anymore.

They just use the abbreviation.

That's it.

But at this point, what had started out by an ex-teacher to sort of enhance or protect retirement by the 1980s and 90s was becoming

pretty much a political action committee, even though the members were not fully aware of how their dues were being used.

Is that an accurate portrayal?

That's a really good way to put it.

And that's exactly right.

I mean, 38, they tout 38 million members,

and

they do, you know, have some really good benefits.

They've got a magazine.

But if you look at their magazine, it's Hollywood.

You know, it's all lifestyle.

And that's, while that stuff is interesting,

I suppose.

He saw that they were going along with this cultural shift in America.

My father called it a strange social disorder that he saw unfolding.

And this is back in 2006.

He said, there's something, something afoot, something's going wrong.

We're abandoning the traditional American values that made this country great.

And these old-fashioned ideas

are so important that we understand

why they made our country so great.

Was there an active opposition to him when he started AMAC?

Was there people in the AARP or do they just think it's so preposterous that anybody could start something that they had.

What was the attitude toward them?

Well, here's the interesting thing.

We're in America, you know, and you can buy Nike or Adidas, right?

I mean, you can go to Verizon or AT ⁇ T and so on.

With the 50-plus organization and the lobbying, there was no counter.

part.

There was no opposition to AARP and what they were doing, and they were hiding their agenda very, very well.

They don't really come out and speak to how they stand on the issues, yet they are one of the most powerful lobbying forces in Washington, D.C.

And this is what my father began to look into bit by bit, because he said, well, you know, they're promoting

that boys should go into, you know, you should be able to use any bathroom of your choice.

This was later in 2009 when Obamacare was backing the bathroom bill.

But Dan saw, Dan Weber said, there's something going on here.

You know,

they are promoting the kinds of things that I think are really going to deteriorate society as a whole.

They're not really for American families.

And I'll share a little bit more about that.

But,

you know, Dan said, my father said, let's form an alternative conservative to AARP.

And I'll tell you, Victor, everybody thought he was crazy.

Now, you know, me always looking up to him, I believed in him.

If he said he could do something,

he almost always pulled it off.

And he did have some crazy ideas that really didn't work pan out, but he was he was a visionary and an idea man.

and i said let's do it but he had no money uh and and to this very day uh amac is a family business uh we don't have any outside influencers or uh big money that uh that we receive at all um

so you know it was like i really i i call it some sort of divine intervention because the whole idea that people on Long Island, no less, Long Island, New York, when we began to test, we went to, I'd be up at the local grocery store and I'd set up a table like the Girl Scouts do.

And I'd say to people, you know, we're AMAC.

Would you join if you could save $10 on your shopping bill?

And they said yes.

So I gave them a $10 off coupon off their, off their shopping bill.

And they signed up and joined AMAC for 12 bucks.

We were charging 12.

And we got hundreds of members, but we realized, you know,

this is something people want.

Then we began to test and I said, well, do people really want the benefits?

Because we formed really to represent the senior voice in America and make sure that seniors were being heard on Capitol Hill, in local state legislatures.

And we recognized that people really cared about the advocacy.

I mean, they liked the benefits and they wanted the benefits.

So we're always building better and better benefits.

But at the heart, they didn't want to compromise their values.

and be a part of AARP if they weren't representing, you know, did they understand that

at this point,

was it hard to explain to people that AARP, which everybody thought was sort of like common cause and common cause, you know, went political, that it was political and it was taking positions antithetical to most Americans?

Or

was your idea we can offer as good benefits as ARP, but we will offer a message that

our association will be more in tune with your values?

Is that kind of the selling point?

That was the selling point.

It still to a great degree is.

But here's to answer your question: people did not understand.

Many people in 07 and 08, we were only local.

We were in New York and Florida testing across all the state from top to bottom.

And a lot of people, there were some people that were in tune and they recognized that AARP did not represent their values.

It was really in 09.

And what happened in 2009 was AARP backed Obamacare.

And in doing so, it was John McCain who came out, Senator DeMint that came out.

And what they said was

the AARP is backing Obamacare.

They're backing cuts to Medicare Advantage, and they stood to earn billions of dollars.

I mean, I didn't know then that AARP, I mean, they're a multi-billion dollar organization.

Their executives are earning well over a million dollars, and they get most of their money from government grants and funding and donations.

They are a not-for-profit organization.

But when people began to see that you're betraying the very members that you represent,

the reforms to Medicare, they said no to.

Yet, because they understood that these reforms were going to save the average senior about $450 each year.

Forbes came out with an article, Wall Street Journal, Kimberly Strassel did some

reporting on this.

And because AARP earns their money from royalty fees and roughly

4.9%

actually of each plan that they sell goes in their pocket, the cheaper the plan, the less money they earn.

And for people who maybe don't quite understand what Medicare Advantage is or the difference between Medicare Advantage and a Medicare supplement, The Medicare Advantage plans are really important for the poorest people out there because

they often come with a zero premium.

And while they do have smaller networks for certain people who aren't very mobile, they're the right plan.

And AARP backed these major cuts to Medicare Advantage.

They benefited because they were selling more Medicare supplements.

So and all you got to do is go online and look at their forms that have to be filed, and you can see their financial statements.

The majority of AARP's income comes from royalties and United Healthcare,

whereas, you know, roughly

about a third of their income comes from membership dues.

The rest coming from, you know, again,

royalties and being in this space of selling, you know, endorsing one insurance company.

There's a lot there to really unpack.

And

what kind of advocacy do they take on cultural social issues that,

I mean, how clever or how smooth are they?

Do they find, ever find, get out and be in a transparent or overt fashion that people can identify what they're doing?

Or is it more in Washington, D.C.?

It is more in Washington, D.C.

You do have to do your research.

You can dig on their website and learn more, but you can see when you do your research

that

they are essentially an arm.

they were an arm of the Obama era, and they're backing a lot of these radical left policies.

A couple of examples.

They back the Inflation Reduction Act.

Now, that bill

contained this, I call it a drug price control scheme, right?

The University of Chicago estimates that There was a cut in research and funding by $663 billion that was included in the Inflation Reduction Act.

They estimate that that would lead to a collective 331 million years in lost life.

Now, the hit in research is going to impact diseases such as Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and cancer.

And we know how Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, these are diseases, cancer, how that affects the senior population.

And instead, the Inflation Reduction Act is funding money for these climate priorities, more electric vehicles and solar panels.

They endorse the Equality Act.

The Equality Act, what I don't really like about this, I mean, it hits my heart, is it forces Christian doctors to perform abortion procedures?

They've donated money to the National Women's Law Center.

The National Women's Law Center pushes for abortion on demand.

95% of AARP's donations, 95%

went to Democrats in 2022.

What kind of the people are on the national board?

Are they more or less people from the left that are on their board of directors or overseers?

They've got to be.

You know,

because

you would not support these kinds of things if you're going against your membership.

There were member polls.

AARP did their own internal polling.

Their members were against Obamacare 14 to 1.

Wow.

And they still endorsed Obamacare.

And then finally, I mean, they support universal mail-in voting and they reject,

you know, they reject voter ID.

And they're in seniors, and they're pushing for senior homes, senior centers, nursing homes,

you know, for ballot harvesting and that kind of thing.

And our good friends over at the ACRU, the American Constitutional Rights Union,

has done terrific work on covering

a lot of bad actors going into nursing homes.

Is there a reaction?

Are you guys

either a beneficiary in increased membership and contributions because of this?

Or is there a fall off in their membership?

Or is it static?

Or

what's the dynamic of that group that colossal?

You're kind of David and Goliath compared to them, but

what's the relative dynamism right now as far as ascendancy and descendancy or just

staying at even queue?

Yeah, that's a really great question.

We grew,

we went national in 2009 and through 2009, right through 2014,

we went from 50,000 members to well over a million members.

And today

we're over 2.2 million members strong.

But AARP did feel it, but probably, again, the majority of their income is not in membership dues.

They can afford to give free memberships because of the royalty fees that they're earning on the United Healthcare Plan and other advertising.

So they're kind of a healthcare, they're a co-partner and a health care, kind of

a Medicare supplement plan for people.

Is that what they sell?

That's exactly right.

The AARP endorsed Medicare supplement plan, which is, you know,

they have such a huge market and the biggest footprint in that senior population.

So,

you know, you got to think,

are they endorsing policies to benefit benefit themselves or are they really taking their marching orders from their membership?

So I believe it did impact their membership numbers, but here's what happened, Victor.

We were growing like wildfire.

We grew

from 2017 right through the end of 2019.

And then in 2020, all of a sudden, We saw our website visits, our social media sites, everything,

we hit a brick wall.

And

the engagement, I mean, within our membership, our engagement increased for dues paying members that were already signed up.

But we saw that we were being censored.

We were being suppressed is a better word.

And YouTube said, we're not going to run your commercials and

Facebook, we were growing on Facebook.

All of that growth ceased.

And we believe that, you know, we must have been on some list of, you know,

don't show this kind of thing.

Do they ever say why?

No, we've written letters.

We were shut down for well over six months.

Facebook gave us some lame excuse.

I call it a lame excuse.

It took us all kinds of, we had to go jump through hoops, fill out multiple forms just to get our account back

up and running.

Google searches, you could type in the exact title of an article that was original content on our site.

It wouldn't come up.

You know, all kinds of things that I said, something's really going on here.

It just seems like somebody's taken over and they don't, you know, they're trying to keep us hidden.

That's so true of, I mean, they did that to Parlaire or Parlair,

destroyed that social media company.

And they've done it.

They do it in insidious ways where if you want to Google something, I noticed I used to, I did on air once.

I said, let me just Google for everybody.

We'll just say insurrection or riot, May 2020, be specific.

We'll call it riot.

And the first things that came up were January 6th, even though that wasn't the date that was given.

And so they have algorithms, I guess, that navigate people away from things they don't want them to read.

But

do you have

right now,

you're still privately held, though, right?

It's a private company.

Absolutely.

It's a private company, family right.

And you're the CEO, and you have your sisters helping you, or are you members of the family?

So I've got this.

I love it.

I've got my brother, my younger brother.

He's number five in line.

He works right alongside me, and he's the genius behind a lot of what we do.

And then my oldest sister works.

for us and my nephew, my niece, I've got three nieces, a nephew.

They're helping us with a lot of the benefits side of things so uh it's really interesting because you know when my father did this um his joy was to find

he believed everyone had talent uh every one of us uh and he his he felt good about himself if he could tap into that and figure out what it was that people did great and so you know it's it's really nice it gives me joy as a ceo what i love to do i feel that if if people love their jobs they like what they're doing they're going to be really good at it so I like to find out what people can do best because then they're going to have the most fun and they're going to get the most satisfaction out of that job.

So,

you know,

it is a joy.

My father passed away in 2020, unfortunately, but I know he's with us and he would be very happy to say, you know, to see that

so many people that he loved and cared for are helping to carry out his legacy.

It really is a joy.

We're talking to

Rebecca Weber of AMAC, the Association for Mature American Citizens, and we've been talking about how this amazing association grew, ex-Nielo, and then its relationship with the left-wing Association for American Retired People, AARP, which I said retired people, and I got someone wrote in once and said, they're not retired people.

That's only

we

said only the abbreviation is used now, but I asked what the abbreviation stood for, and they said it stood for retired people, but we're not supposed to say retired people.

That's what I said.

I mean, they haven't changed the R to mean something else.

Other type of people.

No, I didn't know.

Righteous people or I don't know what else.

Anyway, we'll be right back

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And we're back with Rebecca Weber of AMAC, and we've been talking about this kind of

phenomenal rise of an alternative to the American Associate, the Association of American, oh gosh, I got it wrong, of Association of American Retired People, A-A-R-P,

and its

strong drift to the left.

Let me just change the conversation a minute, Rebecca.

So

given during the COVID fiasco, the national lockdown, the Trump,

the controversy over the Trump

presidency, where we are now as a divisive country.

Have you been apolitical, neutral, or have you been active in getting into this political arena?

And what degree, any, does it affect your company?

And does it bring praise or does it bring odium?

Or

how do you navigate that as a CEO of a big association like AMAC?

And you have a wonderful magazine, but on the other hand, we're right in the middle of the most divisive period in American history.

And how do you formulate a stance or policy or or trajectory there?

Yeah, that's great.

You know, we formed as a bipartisan group, and we are bipartisan in the sense that we work with everyone.

We will work with Democrats and Republicans on the issues that matter most.

We've got to.

You know, at least that's how our country and our founders intended it to be:

you know, ideas come from all people, all different types of people.

But what's happened over the last

four years years has been

something I don't think any of us could have predicted.

I believe that

we have a president in Joe Biden who has completely abandoned the values that make America great.

Our founding fathers believed, for example, that our rights do not come from government, but that our rights come from God alone.

And our founding fathers understood why the Second Amendment was so important

and

understood that the family, the traditions that make this nation great

and our liberty needed to be fought for

by each generation.

What we see in Joe Biden is something very odd and very strange.

So, because of that, we've had to be bold and speak out against the policies, not so much the man, but the policies that he embraces.

It goes directly against

all that we stand for and our 2.2 million members.

So

we don't want to compromise our values to get more members.

And we're not going to hide our agenda.

If AARP wants to come out with a glossy magazine and promote Hollywood and Drag Queen shows and all of that kind of stuff, they can have at it.

That's their right.

At the same time, AMAC is proud to say that we represent patriotic Americans who

have respect for our flag, reverence

for our traditions,

who believe in an everlasting God.

So it's almost as if we're building an America within America, because like-minded individuals have been, conservatives have been attacked.

So much so,

it's a scary thought.

that if we continue down the road that we're going down, what might happen to ordinary people that

pray against abortion?

You hear these stories about the elderly woman with her rosary beads

being attacked, but yet you can topple down a statue and spray paint a pride flag

on government property and nothing happens to you.

So

there's something strange in what I call spiritual warfare.

My colleague at the Hoover Institution, Neil Ferguson, has a really wonderful essay.

I shouldn't say wonderful, disturbing today.

And we're talking to Rebecca Weber on Tuesday, June 18th, and we'll have this up in a day.

And his argument is we're sort of like the old Soviet Union right before it imploded.

Nobody really believed in the institutions anymore.

They were under assault.

The Medicare,

the medical care was inadequate.

It was supposed to be socialist for everybody, but nobody could, people were,

I mean, he's talking about our 100,000 people who killed themselves through fentanyl, but the life expectancy rate had gone down in the Soviet Union.

It's gone down in the United States, as you know.

We've had 100,000 suicides.

And there was a sense that the Soviet military was huge, but it was hollow, that people didn't, they had driven out people who were talented.

It was ideologically based for promotion.

It seems like ours in a way.

And it had been humiliated,

as he pointed out, in Afghanistan.

And he he was talking about a whole shell of a huge empire that was collapsing.

And he made, of course, then the second half of the essay today, he makes parallels with the United States.

And some of the things he pointed out are common knowledge.

But, for example, that we pay more now on the interest in interest on the national debt than we do on the defense budget.

And if you go through history and look at states that that was the case,

they don't exist very long when they're paying more interest on on what they owe themselves and foreign nations than they can spend on defense, or they have no border.

Not that the border is porous,

but it doesn't exist.

And then they have internal divisions, tribal divisions, religious differences, but mostly racial, ethnic polarizations.

I think one of the biggest problems that we're looking at at the United States is this blue blue city model and of our big wonderful cities at one time, New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco,

Seattle, Portland, Chicago,

Cleveland, Baltimore,

Washington, D.C.

They're all in crisis.

And it's the same model.

They don't know how to deal with

literally hundreds of thousands of homeless people.

Their DAs

and city attorneys are not prosecuting crimes because they don't think they're crimes.

They think that criminals are victims of unfair

societal pathologies.

They're broke, their pensions are not sustainable, and their taxes and regulations are such that they're driving out productive citizens.

And you get the impression that if we don't do something quick, that we're going to have 10, 20, 30 of these cities that are unlivable, at least in the major down

towns.

And they're in these doom loops.

I noticed San Francisco and Los Angeles that the more people leave, the more they increase taxes, and then they have to pay pensions or something, or they have social programs, and the fewer police, the fewer police, the more crime, the more crime, more people leave.

And I don't think.

Are you guys headquartered in Washington, D.C.?

So we do have an office in Washington, but we're really headquartered in Florida.

And then we've got our offices here in New York.

And then we've got an office out in New Mexico, which is really a servicing

people at the ready answering phones to cover that

time zone out west.

But you're so right about

what you're describing.

And here's my fear and the fear of

our membership.

When you begin to replace, these cities become populated by people who

weren't born in America, don't understand the history of America, don't embrace American values and bring their own culture here to America, suddenly you wake up and we're no longer America.

And, you know, this is

something that

I think more and more people are waking up because they're saying, you know,

they were alive, you know, living, you know, take somebody like my parents' age, my mother who's with us, who's got it all together, very bright woman,

born in the 40s during World War II,

went through high school in the 50s and got married in the 60s.

It's a whole different society today.

And a lot of our members, they recognize that, they see that, and they say, wait a minute, what kind of a country are we going to leave behind for my children and my grandchildren?

You pointed out the national debt.

How is that sustainable?

And

there's wisdom in age.

And the older folks today, and this was great, Victor, about us being at Turning Point Actions, incredible event in Detroit, Michigan.

The older people have got to come together with the younger generations

because there's a lot for, I think there's a lot of wisdom that can be shared with the younger generations.

And at that event, our members showed up in droves.

And it was everybody from young people, old people, and everywhere in between that really united,

saying it's time for us to put our foot down and start, you know, we have to stop persecuting our police.

They're the ones keeping us safe.

It's just basic common sense.

We've got to make sure that our first right to life,

you know, because it's so extreme.

And that's, again, it's so extreme.

We've got the left who doesn't just say abortion up to 14 weeks or 16 weeks.

They say unrestricted abortion at any time.

Anytime.

We've got a left who wants to take our guns.

We have our gun, you know, our Second Amendment is in place to protect the people from tyranny, not so we can go hunting.

But we have a left that has flip-flopped everything and turned everything out on its head.

The younger people are now susceptible.

And I think the biggest thing that really bothers me on a very personal level, and when we poll our members, it's number three on their list.

And that is stop the indoctrination of our children in schools because they are brainwashing our children to think that their God-given gender was a mistake.

And they're brainwashing them to hate America, to hate people like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, John Adams.

I mean,

and if we just go back and you've done so much, I've read so much of what you've put out.

And I have.

I just, that's one of my favorite pastimes is to read what you write, sir.

You recognize that these guys were onto something, and that's why we were able to build an incredible country where people did come over for years, right?

And for decades.

My great-grandmother came over to Ellis Island from Hungary.

You know,

I am a daughter of the revolution.

It's official.

I got my certificate.

And I have ancestors that fought in the Revolutionary War, in the Civil War on the side of the North, spent time in prison, you know, fighting to free the slaves.

And we've got to teach our children these facts about history.

That's what's shifting.

That's the change.

And that's what we're seeing in these cities.

Yeah,

I think we're starting to see, Rebecca, that we thought

that the reason that we don't have civic education, our people are not aware,

or we have a porous border was we got soft, we got lazy.

But I think now people are starting to understand that

the people who took over the old Democratic Party of John Kennedy, this party doesn't even resemble the one that Bill Clinton ran.

But these are cultural revolutionaries.

And I always try to go back in history and think, when have we had a cultural revolutionary moment?

Well, in the 1960s, yes.

But in France, it's a good model in 1793 when the height of the French Revolution.

which started out pretty good, get rid of the Bourbon kings and have a classical republic, kind of fashioned on the American Revolution of 1776.

And then something happened.

They had a reign of terror.

The Robespierre brothers took over.

And instead of having a political revolution, they had a

360-degree 24-7

cultural revolution.

every aspect of a person's life.

And it's scary when you go back.

And I was in France for the Normandy anniversary.

I took 160 people there, but I had a long talk with a lot of scholars about the French Revolution.

We went to some of the places where it broke out.

And, I mean, they renamed the days of the week.

They extended the week.

They renamed the months of the year.

They got rid of, they attacked and killed over 6,000

clerics.

They destroyed all the statues that had anything to do with Christianity or the past.

And they made a cult called the cult of the Supreme Being.

In other words, all of us that are educated, they said, you're going to worship knowledge, and they called it radio.

That's sort of what our secularists are doing today.

And then, of course, they went out and had a monopoly on all weapons.

They went out and redistributed all the land they could, and they pretty much destroyed the country.

And then they gave, of course, there was a reaction.

And the reaction was at first a consulship and then a directory.

directory, and then it was Napoleon.

And Napoleon was, of course, a dictator.

And they felt he was the only stop.

We don't want to go that way.

But what I'm getting at is I think sometimes we forget that the left in power, it's not just that they want big government and regulations, but...

a porous border.

They don't believe in a border.

They believe that anybody has a right to come to this country.

And we have now record numbers of 55 million.

We've never had that many.

And we've never had a higher percentage of the population, 16%.

In California, it's 27% of all the people who were not born in the United States.

And rather than meet that challenge with civic education, assimilation, integration, the melting pot, what we're doing is deliberately welcoming people to create alternative identities or

alternative narratives to the United States.

And so what I guess everybody's confused about when when they look at last night I was, as in Fox, maybe you saw that the clips they were showing of the mass smash and grab in Los Angeles or in Oakland, they just take over whole areas and then have these crazy car stunts where they do Brodies and just make circles for all night long.

And it was just utter lawlessness.

And

you ask yourself, well, in the old days, we, you know, Charles Bronson used to make movies about lawlessness in the 70s, but there was a sense there is a law.

But with these Soros attorneys and critical legal theory, critical racial theory, they're almost arguing that, well, the only reason there's a law against stealing is because very wealthy people don't have to steal genes or food, and therefore they made a law against us.

Therefore, we don't have to follow it.

So I don't think, and gender fits in that.

It also says that, you know, who are you to say there's two genders or three gender?

We can say whatever we want.

So I don't think we understand that we're in the middle of a revolution and everything is on the table for change.

The way we use energy, the way we have a border, a crime,

everything.

And we've seen it.

With Donald Trump.

We've never, ever had a president impeached twice.

We've never had him tried as a private citizen.

We've never had him try to take off the ballot.

We've never had these five local, state, and federal prosecutions of an ex-president and leading candidate.

So I think everybody should realize we're really in the new territory.

We've never been here before in this revolutionary climate.

We've never seen his opposition get away with so much.

I know.

Really?

You know, for making up the, you know, the steel dossier under Hillary Clinton, you know, the Hunter Biden laptop was fake, you know, 51.

None of them have ever apologized.

Nobody's ever apologized.

The COVID vaccine came from a bat, you know, came from, you know, on and on.

So the American people have been lied to

for years now.

And, you know, even prior, I mean, Donald Trump, I think one of the best things he did was really call out fake news.

Because up until then, I think a lot of people were still blinded that what mainstream media was feeding them had some truth.

Now we recognize that

there's something really evil afoot.

But, you know, getting back to the open border.

So that is the number one issue for our members.

They want the border closed.

It is by far what's going to make our members show up at the polls, and they're going to vote for people who want to secure border.

But, what troubles me is the, you know, how does Joe Biden

and everyone else

that should be doing their job to protect American citizens, our children.

How do they turn an eye to human trafficking, human sex trafficking of little children.

The drug cartels that are now here in America that are

very powerful and can certainly on a dime, they could unleash all kinds of terror.

How do they, and I ask myself this question, I say, how do they ignore it and actually feed it?

They're in a sense funding terrorists is what i think i can i think i answer i'd love for you to yes i think what happens

if you're a nancy pelosi or a gavin newsom just to take some california examples or a joe biden or the obamas

or alexandro alexandro mallorkas

there's two sets of press there's two sets of pressures so on the one hand they know their open border is leading to 100 000 people dying because of the easy fentanyl trafficking They understand

that thousands of young girls are being brought into the United States for sex trafficking.

They understand

that

Venezuela, El Salvador, Mexico are emptying their jails and prisons just to save money, just to get people in here and away from them who are committing atrocious crimes.

We had one the other day, you know, rape of a young girl.

They understand all that because they see it.

And you would think then they would say, my policies have done that.

But they also have this other poll, and that is the New York Times, the NPR, Washington Post, the universities, the corporate boardroom, the big foundations, Democratic Party.

And they know that if they were to say something,

they would say, you're a protectionist, you're a restrictionist, you're a nativist, you're a racist.

How dare you?

These people are very poor.

They have nothing.

And so what happens is

for our elites, mostly on the bi-coastal elites, they get up in the morning and they see the horrible things that they have done.

But then they say to themselves, I feel really bad about it, but I can get rid of my guilt by letting in more poor people and saying to myself, oh, this poor family from Oaxaca had nothing and now they're in Fresno, California, and I'm giving them free health care.

That's part of it.

The other part is

they don't think of it consciously, but subconsciously they assume that,

well, my child's never going to be raped, and I'm never going to see anybody in my family die of fentanyl.

This all happens to deplorables or irredeemables or inner city people.

I don't live, you know, I live in a town that's 95% Mexican-American, and to be frank, a lot are illegal aliens.

And when you talk to people here, they say things like, I'm afraid of M13 because if I tell people they're here,

they'll call me from Mexico on my cell phone and say, listen, I'm six hours away from you.

I can get there in a second.

You better stop it.

Or we used to have advanced placement in our schools, and now we have to have English as a second language.

Or on the road that I'm living on,

there used to be nice little well-kept farmhouses.

They were bought by people in gangs.

And now you see a farmhouse and then you see one, two, three, four, five, six Winnebagos that don't run.

And they all have Romex strung, all illegal.

They have port-a-potties, no septic.

And there's 40 or 50 people living there in these compounds illegally from Mexico or south of the border.

And when I go to Stanford where I work, people will say to me,

Wow, you wrote a really tough piece on immigration saying we have to obey immigration law.

What's What's wrong with you?

Don't you like these people?

And I always say, well, you live on the Stanford campus.

It's idyllic.

It's like utopia.

What would you do if you lived there and you woke up one morning and a guy came to your door with a Glock in his pocket showing you?

Or what would you do if you walked through your orchard and you found a dead person like I have?

Or what would you do if three days ago you get up in the morning to walk through your orchard and somebody who I guess is a local trash collector for these people that they don't have trash.

They just get pickups, they go around, get all their garbage, and then they just go out to the farms and drive down a row of orchard and throw maybe three or four tons of trash down.

And then you have to ask yourself,

wow, there's toxic things in it.

There's paint, there's old gas cans, there's glue, there's stuff.

Now, if I call the state, they're going to come and say, you can't prove that somebody dumped it, and you're subject to all of these rules that you'll have to take it to a toxic waste-approved dump and that can, and you're going to have to analyze your soil.

And so it's all predicated, I guess what I'm saying on that the elite has done this to us, the middle class.

They feel good and get rid of their guilt.

And they've unleashed this terror on everybody.

And it's really hits middle class and poor people.

And they never experience it because they're protected with their money, their zip codes, their influence.

And it makes them feel less guilty about their privilege that they can, in the abstract, help poor people come to the United States.

That's the generous version.

The other thing is that under mail-in voting, they know well, and you and I know, especially in California, that every time a person comes here, whether they're legal or not, and most are all illegal,

They go to the disability office, they go to get a driver's license,

whatever state agency they encounter, whether they like it or not, they get a ballot mailed to their address to register and then a third party has that information shows up at their home and says have you filled out the ballot we'll do it for you and then takes it to a drop box and that's

that's what california is like so

this that's a long explanation to think that we're in a revolutionary uh and that just like the jacobins in france they're the elite the elite is doing this to us

and um

it only

got money and their power

where they do, they live in this bubble.

Mark Zuckerberg put yeah, he put $419 million in the last election.

The Zuckerberg did.

And that was to enhance the work of registrars, which meant really to take them over in swing states.

So he had his own workers.

He had drop boxes.

He had people calling up to get the vote out in swing states.

I don't think it'll ever stop unless in the next election, all of us can get not just a good turnout, but an enormous turnout.

And I think you have to win the popular vote in these swing states, not by one or two, but by five, six, seven, eight percent, given when you have 70 percent of the

The electorate who's not going to vote on election day.

They're going to vote early or mail.

And we've never had that until 2020.

You know, it was always

30% not elections, 70% election day.

But that was one of the things that we never gave the left credit for, that they just gave a quiet revolution under the guise of COVID and said, well, we've changed the laws in so many states so that you can

have mail-in ballots.

Your signature doesn't have to be complete.

It doesn't always have to match the registrar's list.

It can come in late.

The address can be faulty.

You can cure a ballot after it's voted and fix it.

All of these, nobody was paying attention to it.

I don't think even the Trump campaign in 2020 knew what was going on.

Suddenly we went to the polls and 70% in every state

were not voting on Election Day.

And I don't know what's going to happen in 2020, if they're ready for it, but I think that's,

but they're going to have to get

the conservative traditional movement is going to have to give everybody out to the polls.

And I don't know how you do it.

Maybe

I know you work with the people in other voting groups.

I'm on the Bradley Foundation board and we try to encourage people to help with voter integrity, but we're just so overwhelmed by the resources on the left.

Yeah, they really

have the money.

They're breaking the rules.

They've got the money.

Finding every way to,

you know, with Biden's executive order, I understand that, yes, every illegal now has to be given instructions on how to register to vote

by the U.S.

Marshal Services.

But, you know, I often wonder too,

everyone sees how Biden is, you know, it's not his age, because there are many people who are well over 81 years old who

are doing just fine, but something's, you know, he's slipping.

He doesn't have the ability to communicate.

You can just see his thoughts aren't all there.

He can't, you know, find his way off the stage.

We saw what just happened with Obama escorting him off the stage.

And I say he's going to debate Donald J.

Trump in a week.

I don't even,

I doubt if it will actually happen.

Maybe it'll get postponed.

And then I also question,

could the Democrats slip someone else in at the last minute?

And a lot of people are thinking that this could be,

can Biden make it to November without another major.

I'm going to answer that.

We'll take one last break.

and I'm with Rebecca Weber of AMAC, and we'll be right back.

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And we're back, and Rebecca asked a question, will they be able to switch candidates?

And I think that was the idea of the historic June debate.

We've never had a debate in American history, at least in the modern period of conventions, where

two candidates debated each other when they were not formally nominated even to run by their parties.

So the question is, why did the Democrats do it?

And that was your question of, are they going to replace?

And I think James Carville and others have given us the answer.

And the answer is the powers that be went to the Bidens and said to them,

we are very worried about Joe's

cognitive challenges, so we want to have a debate, but we want it before the convention, and we want to see how he does.

Now, if

you can rest him for four or five days, as you did during the first debate in 2020 and the second debate, if you, I've talked to a lot of neurologists, I was very curious about it, and they all gave me these

long answers of all the pharmaceuticals that a doctor can have to create temporary energy or even some cognitive improvement, but it's not sustainable.

But if they get, and I maybe they said, well, if he rests and whatever you have to do, so he comes out like he did with the State of the Union address, where he just was yelling and screaming for an hour and a half as if he was, you know, much younger.

It didn't make sense a lot of it.

It was very angry and bitter.

And so I think they've told them that.

And then they're saying, now, if he's like what I'm afraid he might be like, where he wanders off the stage or he loses his train of thought, then you're going to have to make sure the rules are favor you.

In other words, when you ask for this debate and you bait Trump, make sure that it's on CNN or MSNBC.

Make sure the people will ask questions that Joe can handle.

Maybe they'll be leaked to him.

Who knows?

Make sure there's no audience.

Make sure that the mic is cut.

Give him every advantages.

But

if you've given him every advantage, and if you rest him for a week, and if you were able to find a pharmaceutical menu that might give him greater clarity for an hour and a half, and he doesn't do well, but he

shocks and scares the American people when he's only polling about 38% approval, we still have time to bring someone.

We can release the delegates formally.

We'll have the convention in a month.

And we can still get our nominee on the ballot in most states, all the states that count.

And I think that's what they're doing.

And it's...

And you wonder who might that be?

I mean, it seems that Hillary Clinton is certainly,

you know, it seems that she's still getting over licking her wounds.

Yeah.

I don't think she's going to run, but if he does well for a day, that won't.

take away their doubts.

That'll just say there's no way in the world, given that Joe Biden looked robust for an hour and a half and did well against Trump, that we can get him off the ticket.

However, we know that as soon as he gets into the campaign and the stress and the he's not going to be around that long, therefore the vice president is going to be so whether this works or not, I think you'll see a big debate at the convention over the vice president because

They do they, it's not a conservative, you, me, or anybody else.

It's they who don't,

I mean, they are terrified of Kamala Harris, that she'll lose them in the election.

And so, I think there'll be an effort to open the convention up for the vice presidency.

And that's going to be very tricky because she's a black woman.

And I don't know how maybe they could get Hillary to come in.

Whoever comes in will be the next president of the United States should Joe Biden win, I think, sooner than later.

So, we've never been in this territory before.

We've never had anything like this.

So, nobody, everybody speculates, but no one is sure.

Except I get very angry because it goes back to that 2020 primary when America saw Pete Buttigig on the stage, Corey Booker, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Julian Castro.

They said to themselves, these people are all socialist and

they have agendas that...

that would destroy the country.

And then all of a sudden during that South Carolina primary in Nevada, Jim Clybert got the African-American vote and they've got the and Joe Biden won.

And then they all like

dominoes just left.

They all got out and they said,

they came up with a paradigm of good old Joe Biden.

You all know him.

He's a nice old guy from Delaware.

He's been around.

He's a moderate Democrat.

And they put him up as sort of a veneer.

And they let the hardcore base, whether that was Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, the Obamas, the Obama team, kind of run the country

through Jill Biden

by giving instructions in a way to Joe Biden.

I mean, to Joe Biden.

It was kind of a Faustian bargain, but

we're headed for something that we've never seen before.

And it's going to be very explosive, I'm afraid, because

if Donald Trump does do very well and Joe Joe Biden freezes and the moderators are overt in their bias trying to save him, it will blow up and then it'll be interesting because we've never seen a candidate removed from the ticket.

I'm a little older than you, but when they did it with 1972, George McGovern was running and he had a vice president candidate, if you might,

named

Thomas Eagleton.

He was a very nice guy, but he didn't really have a background check.

And then it was after the convention was over,

it was,

well, he's had several shock treatments.

In those days, shock treatment was the standard

treatment for depression, but it was a severe treatment.

And people were just,

oh my God.

And

they had to take him off the ticket.

And then what did they do?

They looked around and everybody looked at the polls and there was such a mess in the Democratic Party and Nixon was doing so well for

re-election.

They said, I don't want anything to do with this party.

And so they would ask all of these,

they'd leak all the people they asked.

And finally, they had to come up with

Sergeant Shriver, Maria Shriver's dad, who had never held office.

And that was the largest landslide defeat in the Democratic Party history.

So it doesn't work well when you have to change.

Unprecedented.

Yeah, it is.

It is.

Is there any final things that we're running out of time, Rebecca, that you want to tell us a parting

about?

I do have some good news.

I mean, this is all, you know, I have some good news, and that is that your listeners, they can get involved in a real easy way.

You don't even have to leave your home.

There are a couple of ways to get involved.

You can become an advocate.

Okay.

You can participate in calls to action.

We're mobilized in all 50 states, and we, again, we take our marching orders from our members so we can help you in your state.

For example,

just yesterday, we sent out a call to action to our New Jersey members saying, if you oppose pornographic material being shared in our public schools, send a message.

Now, how do they do that?

If somebody is listening right now,

where do they go to enlist?

Yeah, go to amacaction.org, amacaction.org.

Right there on the homepage, you can become an advocate.

You can become a delegate.

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Thank you so much.

Victor, this is terrific, and I so enjoyed it.

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