Elon, Immigration, and the Uncivil
In this news roundup, Victor Davis Hanson and cohost Sami Winc analyze the Dominion case against Fox, Elon Musk's thoughts, border solutions, and insidious violence and the callous Left response.
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Victor, I know we'd like to start our, especially our news, because sometimes the news gets a little bleak these days.
Although I hope our first topics are not too bad, especially Elon Musk.
There's a lot that he had to say that was very interesting.
But did you have anything
to talk to us about
that's positive in the world?
Positive.
Positive.
Positive.
Yes.
Besides Elon Musk.
Well,
looks like the stream of
subtropical and northern storms are over with, and we're starting to slowly get back to normal California weather.
But we have a, what do the lefts call it?
Walls are closing in, bombshell, flood melt coming.
So it's coming, and we don't know what the Tulare Lake
Basin will look like.
And I've got to get up to the Sierra because I've got 20 feet of some kind of glacier on either side of my house.
I'm afraid it's going to start moving.
You can't put your hand on it and say, please stop.
So
other than that, I am drinking my
elevate hydrogen water.
I went to acupuncture today.
I'm doing everything in the world to snap back after this tiny, microscopic, silly, stupid
bee or wasp or whatever it was.
rendered me help helpless.
I'm really angry about that.
And I was over this so-called long COVID, and now I'm crawling back.
And every time I see a bee, I want to strangle it, but I can't.
Yeah, maybe we could say that, maybe we could say that in spite of Fauci's follies during the COVID incident, that medicine has done a great deal for us in the modern age, even all the way to supplements.
You know, when you look at you, yeah, when you look back at the whole COVID nightmare with Fauci, one thing I get very angry about is this,
that he pushed big pharma solely.
In other words, it was
Pfizer, Pfizer, Moderna, Moderna, booster, booster, booster, nothing else.
It's going to be the only way to do it.
Or if you do get COVID, it's Paxlavid, Paxlavid.
You know what I mean?
It was never, it was never these other doctors.
I mean, I don't know about ivermetsin or hydroxychloroquine, but there were prior studies.
done for other coronaviruses, the flu that showed that these anti-inflammatory off-label uses were some efficacy.
And he just dismissed them and he demonized people who suggest they had some utility, like that frontline doctors association.
And then there were other things that people could do.
You just go online and there's people using off-label singular, monolucos.
There's people using quercetin.
There was people using
a lot of natural anti-inflammatories and then things like Pepsid, which was an H2 antihistamine.
And then we found out that some people had traumatic results from long and acute COVID from Benadryl and even Zyrtec, an antihistamine, as if they had mast cell activation as well as the infection.
So what I'm getting at, we lost two or three years without any protocols.
And the doctor's attitude was basically when you got COVID and you went to the emergency room.
I never did.
I got very ill, but I never did.
But I know people who did, and they had a fever, and they said, well, go home, pick some Advil or Tylenol and call me if you can't breathe.
And that was it.
It was never, these are some therapeutic vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc.
You know what I mean?
It was never that.
Yes.
And that's, and that was coming from the top with Fauci.
And now we know that if you just, if you just go online and Google
COVID or long COVID treatments, you will see, I'm not talking about blog posts or something, but somebody said, you know, that he spun around three times and drank a Coke and he was well.
I'm talking about
double-blind studies from all over the world.
There were a lot of therapeutics and off-larg label and supplements that were of value.
And people never,
it wasn't, they were not advised to take therapeutics, but they were demonized.
And that was quackery.
And we, so we didn't really, for two and a half years, have any methodology to help people through the acute stage.
And Pax Law is, you know, I'm not a doctor, but it does, all these, it does have some considerations about renal problems and side effects.
So I don't, that's one of the worst things he did.
He was just advocating, advocating big pharma.
And we're going to find out the more, you know, the House Republic, the Senate Republicans have got more information, and we've got the intelligence agency and the energy department.
And it's pretty clear now that no one is going with the bat.
or the pangolin theory anymore and that China's floated the raccoon dog and all this crap that was disinformation that Mr.
Fauci
promulgated.
And we're going to find out, and that's why he looks so bad on TV when you see him now, that ultimately he is going to have funded gain of function research when he knew it was illegal in the United States.
He channeled money, expertise, probably medical devices, who knows, through EchoHealth.
And they went over to an improperly
secure
biology lab run by the People's Liberation Army.
And they created, the Chinese did, with American help, a gain of function deadly virus.
And they knew that from the beginning because they exchanged emails about how to keep the narrative that it was a natural cause.
rather than an engineered virus with no prior pedigree in the animal kingdom.
And that's going to be really dangerous because if everybody just says, wait a minute, if that's true, Anthony Fauci in some ways is the godfather of the coronavirus,
even though he was demonizing people like Jay
Bacharia and
Scott Atlas.
So
that's going to be really, it's so, I guess what I'm trying to, I'm grasping for words because it is so monumental.
that the dimensions of it are staggering, that the head of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases was circumventing American law and funding a very deadly type of research
that ended up killing millions of people and then
was in control and could control the narrative and the funding for labs and punish people who disagreed with that self-serving narrative.
Yes, and he was probably heavily invested in the pharmaceuticals who were advocating for after that.
Yeah, we'll see.
Rand Paul has got his number, and Rand Paul is sort of bulldog-like, tenacious.
And he's embarrassed Fauci two or three times.
Fauci is a creature of left-wing media.
And
if left-wing media finds that he's expendable and that the ponderance of evidence can no longer be massaged, then they'll dump him.
And that's going to be tragic.
And so when we had Stephen Quay on the program, he was pretty accurate, comprehensive, and very professional without being conspiratorial.
But he essentially said that there was a lot of self-censorship, a lot of journal peer-review censorship, Lancet's
questionable investigation, all of this use of science under the quote of I am the science.
to stifle any type of narrative that A, would have helped people and B would have incriminated Anthony Fauci.
Yeah.
Well, Victor, well, let's turn to the voting machines.
And the company had
a suit against Fox News for defamation of its machines.
And one of the things that was said, and probably there were others, by lawyers for Trump on the various channels, was that the machines were rigged against the former president.
And so I was wondering, that's probably a short story, but did you have any thoughts on that?
They did win their case.
Well, there's two questions.
I mean, there's two issues here.
There is the one issue,
were the machines rigged?
No.
And were there people who knew that they weren't rigged and were deliberately disseminating false information?
Well, Tucker Carlson actually said, he said, because I can remember I was on his show.
at least on one occasion, he did another, that he wanted, I mean, I was waiting in my my barn waiting to go on, and I could hear the show.
That he said to basically Sidney Powell, you can come on today, you can come on next week, you can come on next month, you can have whatever time you want.
But so far, you've produced no evidence about these machines.
And I did Lou Dobbs
business, and I followed her once, and she was saying this, this, this about the Dominion that they were communicating.
I thought, my God, does she have any evidence for that?
So when it came my turn,
and I don't think the host got very happy with me, I said very politely: I think
if there were irregularities in the balloting, it was not done on Election Day.
It was a process in March, April, and May where people in the Trump campaign did not understand
what Mark Zuckerberg and other people were doing, funding enormous legal teams to go into particular key states and to change by fiat or judicial order,
the bureaucratic fiat, the voting laws that had been passed by the legislature so that the net result in some states went from 40 or 30 percent mail in balloting to 60 to 70 percent.
Even as, as I said, the authenticity or the audit of the particular cast ballots dropped by a magnitude of 10 in some cases, you know, from 4 percent rejection to 0.4, even as you're flooded with more, you'd think you'd have more rejection.
And that was everything from ballots not matching the registrar list or incomplete names or improper addresses or lack or improper signatures.
So that was where the problem was, I think.
And so then the other issue is: can
people just
spout stuff on TV?
I can,
my wife and I were over in Cayucas, right, during the debate,
and
I
saw this guy go on CNN.
Well, he was a CIA operative.
I don't know if you, Sam, you remember this guy.
He was an African-American guy, and he was a guest.
And he just flat out right, I was watching the ocean out the window.
And he said, and then we have Victor Davis Hansen, the Soviet agent or the CIA agent.
I didn't, I was just flabbergasted, right?
Wow.
Yes.
Do you remember that?
And he,
he, and I thought, do I sue him?
And then I remember all of these people
were,
you know, telling us that Michael Flynn was essentially a Russian asset.
James Clapper said that Donald Trump was a Russian asset on television.
50 people came on in various incarnations and said that the laptop was absolutely Russian disinformation.
So, what I'm getting at is, and look what they did to Carter Page.
And a lot of those defamation and damage suits have been thrown out.
So, what I'm getting at is, I don't quite understand if Fox has Maria Barteloma and they have Lou Dobbs that had guests on, or they concurred with unsubstantiated opinions about Dominion,
and
that was wrong, and that is worth almost what a billion dollars.
Is that what I'm getting at?
Is
what is that compared to destroying the life of Michael Flynn or Carter Page or George Papadopoulos?
Or in my case, telling everybody in the United States that I was a Russian operative because he got the name wrong.
You know, I never got an apology.
And should I have sued him for character?
I had a lot of people that called me me about that and emailed me.
Hey, Victor, do you know that I didn't know you worked for the CIA and you turned state's evidence?
Ha ha.
But
my point is that I don't know what to the degree of politicalization or weaponization.
Then the third and final issue is Fox settled, right?
And they settle because
of what?
They have another lawsuit coming up by another company on the same title.
Why did they settle?
And I think it's because they have a news organization to run and they don't want all of their internal communications
aired in a lengthy trial.
So they just put a lid on it with Dominion, but they got the SmartMatic
coming up, another lawsuit.
So I guess they figure that their revenues are such that they can take the
I don't know, a billion, two billion dollar hit.
But it does, I think it has a chilling effect.
And I wish it was equitable and applied across the board because
look what they did to the officer in the Ferguson story.
Remember that hands up, don't shoot?
And all of those CNN anchors put their hands up and they pranced around the newsroom, hands up.
That was a complete lie.
And that was really defamatory to the officer who was threatened.
He never, nobody ever, Michael Brown never said that.
We know that.
Or how about George Zimmerman when the cable news work
news channels on the left, was it CNN?
They photoshop, they put a Photoshop picture that didn't reveal the full extent of his head wounds that he was suffered from Trayvon Martin.
And then we had the
911 tape and they selectively edited it so it made him emphasize that Trayvon Martin was black.
That was really dirty.
And then he tried to sue about that, and they threw it out.
What I'm getting at is that
this character assassination
of
a Michael Flynn or George Papadopoulos or Carter Page was done with malice and intent.
And it was demonstrable that after they were maligned on CNN or MSNBC or in radio shows, their careers were damaged.
There was no controversy that 50, 50 former intelligence officers used the media used the media to spread a lie about the russian disinformation quote-unquote laptop and they and that was really destructive to the owner of that computer store he had to shut it down for a long time maybe permanently and they went after him and they knew it was a lie and so i could replicate those examples but i don't understand the theory then that if you're on a you're in a network and you have people on that network who are saying things
that are demonstrably untrue or just theories passed off as facts, and that hurts people, or the reputation of a company,
then
it's worth, I don't know, $750 million?
Or what's the, what's the, I guess I am asking, what's the standard?
Is there a standard?
Is it just left-wing people can do it and right-wing people can't?
I mean,
I'm not a supporter of Sidney Powell.
I never understood.
I mean, she had some utility with Michael Flynn when she was able to show some irregularities as his lawyer, the way he was treated.
And I don't think she should have been allowed to keep saying these things without evidence.
And finally, I think people like Tucker said no more.
He just said she's not either come on and
substantiated or not.
But I don't see that it's equitable.
That's all I'm saying yes yeah yeah okay well let's then turn to elon musk so tucker recently had a long interview with him and so many things in it and i thought maybe you would comment first on the twitter he cut twitter um employees by apparently 80 percent
no No, no, he cut it by 80%.
And so only 20% were left.
And he said, well, it just goes to show you, and those are my words, but that it was absurdly overstaffed.
And those are his words.
But I was wondering what your thoughts on that, because he does continue on to talk about how a lot of that staff was used to monitor people and things like that.
Well, I mean,
I was just, he went through the whole gamut of all the things that he's done.
And I, listening to him, I mean, he said that he himself has a touch of Asperger's.
and partly it's hard to follow him because of his South African accent.
Partly, he doesn't look the interlocutor right in the face.
But that being said, he's a very brilliant guy.
I was just thinking as he went through some of the things he's done.
Even that boring company, I think it has a big contract ongoing with Las Vegas with this new technology.
Remember when Europe, the EU, the collective brain power of the entire EU announced that they were going to have this Ariane, I guess that's the Latin version of Ariadne, you know, the daughter who was sacrificed supposedly to the
Minotaur that Theseus saved
Ariadne.
So, but anyway, they said the Ariane missile was the way of the future.
And then all of a sudden, Elon Musk came on in the private sector and his SpaceX missile just clobbered it.
I mean, it carries a much bigger payload.
It's more likely to be reusable.
It's much more, he's got a lot, dozens more successful.
And how could one person do that?
Just counter, it would be like a guy looking at Airbus and saying, well, you know, U.S.
has Boeing, but I'm going to make my own, my own airplane and just wipe out, wipe the field with Airbus.
I don't know how he did it.
And then to do that,
as a major Tesla owner, when I thought electric cars, you know, it's going to be 50 miles, but then he comes out with his car that can go, you know, I'm not a big fan of only going 250 or 300 miles, but that in itself, the last two or three years was a milestone.
A car that doesn't break down, that's electric, that can go 250 to 330 miles in theory.
And then to do that,
and then to take over Twitter,
and then on national TV to admit that he lost 40, he paid 40 billion too much for it.
But nonetheless, he's changed the entire social media network by showing that the FBI was hiring Twitter out to serve the function of the Biden administration, essentially, and the left to go after people and to suppress,
to change the result of an election by suppressing news of the laptop.
Again, and then the unknown or unnamed government agency, which was the CIA, was, these are incredible revelations.
So to do all of that at 51, I was just stunned.
And he just matter of factly without any emotion.
And, you know,
he says
they keep
smearing him because they're angry that he's turning Twitter into a disinterested platform.
And to do that, you have to get rid of these left-wing ideologues that are not disinterested.
And when you do that, then they say you're right-wing rather than centrist and classically liberal, which he is.
And to put up with all that, it's pretty amazing.
And when he dissected that guy in the BBC, I mean, he just like, he was like a frog on a plate that was dead, and he was just cutting him open.
And he just said, so you just said this, and you have no evidence, and you're lying.
And the guy just goes, oh, yeah, I got it.
You know, that was, it was pretty good.
So I think he's a very positive.
We don't have very, we don't have any Thomas Edisons or Henry Ford or Alexander Graham Bells or the Wright brothers anymore.
They don't, they're very hard to find.
Yeah.
You know, I want you could argue that Steve Jobs was the last one, maybe, but for him to do that, it's quite singular.
Yeah, it was.
I thought he was very interesting, too, because he said that not only did he find out that these government agencies were being given information from Twitter, but that he said the extent of the government agencies that had access and not just that, but
other governments outside of the U.S.
that had access to information from Twitter and people's direct messaging.
Direct messaging just means a message that you send between two private individuals.
And he said, right when he said that, he said,
I'm going to create an encryption system so people can still do that and not even I can find out what they're saying.
Now, I have my doubts on that.
But I mean, I
believe that encryption can do a lot.
But if you can encrypt something, surely you can unencrypt it, right?
Well, what he said was about, it was on the same strain as artificial intelligence.
And he's the only one really that's sounding the alarm.
You know why he is?
Because he knows those people.
He competes against them.
He works with them.
And if you distill what he was saying,
I wrote a column kind of hinting at that.
The scary thing about artificial intelligence is it's a Frankenstinian
monster with supernatural powers, but there is a Dr.
Frankenstein, right?
Just like there's a coronavirus that reflects what?
The values and the ideology of the People's Liberation Army.
And the same thing is true of artificial intelligence.
Who is going to be coding and directing and programming artificial intelligence?
It's going to be some little nerd behind a screen in Menlo Park, right?
And they're going to have pink hair and a nose ring, and they're going to talk through their nose, and they're going to hate Donald Trump, and they hate the Christian right.
That's who's going to do it.
And that's going to empower it.
It's going to be scary because it's not going to be neutral.
It's going to be weaponized.
Just like the, and if you think I'm crazy or conspiratorial, ask yourself: what did we think about when Google came out?
I thought it was wonderful.
I had never in my right mind, if you told me 15 15 years ago, that Google, some guy in Minimal Park would have a
algorithm that when I search,
I don't know, if I search
Michael Flynn, I'm going to get the first hundred stories are going to be negative, right?
And they're going to do that intentionally.
And so that I never, I only get one side.
I never thought they would do that or what we've learned about Twitter or Facebook.
But that was the ultimate and logical result of turning over vast amounts of technological power and money to these people.
And I have some experience, not as much as most people, but I do, I did go to school in that area.
And I know a lot of people in the tech industry and I work there and I hear them come on campus.
And I've heard four or five lectures in the last five years from them.
And they're scary people.
They're scary people.
And I eat in Menlo Park in the evening.
I eat in Mountain View.
I eat in Los Altos.
I eat in usually by myself and I listen.
And I find them terrifying people.
I really do.
And they're going to be the architects of this new technology.
So we should meet our future Dr.
Frankensteins and they're going to create not one monster, but millions of them.
Maybe that's why Elon Musk continued and he was actually talking about his rocket company, but he said, we should not assume civilization is robust, right?
And he was talking about Japan's low birth rate.
In fact, he said, I don't know if his statistics are right or not, but he did say that they have two deaths for every birth in Japan these days.
And he said, it looks like, I know, he goes, it seems like civilization is poised to, quote, end with a whimper and adult die.
I agree.
I agree.
I've been writing about that.
I'm getting so many emails.
Okay, Victor, we heard it already.
Civilization's in crisis.
You've been there, done that.
What's the cure?
But my point is that the typical paradigm that built this country, that a young man either goes to work at 18 and learns a skill as a superb electrician or a plumber or a contractor, or goes to community college two years and becomes a police officer or a fireman, or he gets a bachelor's degree and a credential and becomes a teacher or an accountant.
And then in his mid-20s, he marries someone with like interest.
They buy a home.
They have two cars.
They raise two to three children and they follow and they're productive.
That's over with.
It's Pajama Boy and Life of Julia.
That's who it is now.
If you look at the, and I wrote about it extensively in The Dying Citizen, you look at the age of marriage.
It's into 28, 29.
The first child is 31, 32.
And the first time you buy a home is in the late 30s.
And it's only about 58%
now who can buy a home and so what we have is mr hipster or mr live in the garage or life of julia bragging about how she's been on the dole from birth to death or mr pajama boy with his footsies in his 20s having chocolate in a morning bragging that he doesn't have to work because he gets free health care that's the paradigm and that's really scary because the country's shrinking shrinking, shrinking.
And
the left keeps saying, well, we have immigration.
Yeah, you have immigration.
You don't audit the people you come in.
They're not diverse.
You don't ask if they have the wherewithal to be self-supporting.
You don't ask if they're illegal.
They don't ask if you've had a criminal or a health background.
And meanwhile, you put somebody who fulfills all the classical qualifications for legal immigration.
You put them on hold for years.
It's a very strange thing.
You know, you wake up someday and you say,
this is a Kafka novel.
Who am I?
What do I look like?
Where am I?
You know, for years, I would always play a little game when I flew into JFK or LAX or SFO.
Not a game.
It was kind of just,
I had this nightmare that I had drawed my passport somewhere, right?
So you get in a long line and then you see every once in a while there's somebody turns white because they do not have a passport.
They either are going to try to say that they forgot it and they don't have one or they really did.
And they have a procedure procedure or protocol for those people.
Somebody comes out and they escort them into a room.
I don't know what they do if they give them a chance to
produce their license and then they can go on a computer and
find it or what or see if it's stolen.
But there is a procedure.
There is no procedure for non-citizens at the Mexican border.
They just come across.
Nobody cares, no ID.
I don't understand that asymmetry why you would treat with rigor and audit an American citizen, but you would give a pass for somebody who you have no idea where they're from, who they are, or anything.
Only a perverted nation would do that.
Perverse.
It is.
Yes, I agree.
And so when he says civilization is crumbling, look at the barometers.
There's
four or five barometers.
We're broke.
We have 130% debt to GDP.
We owe 33 trillion.
And now they're fighting because the Republicans say, hey, you're going to borrow $2 trillion.
Can you just limit it to one and a half?
You racist, you mean person.
How do you deal with that?
Or the military, oh, nothing's wrong.
We're short a whole division in the army.
We have no hypersonic missiles.
We just left $50 billion in Afghanistan, but Mark Milley's looking for white rage.
He's turned off every person he's supposedly that profile.
And of course, as I keep hammering, they've died at twice their numbers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And then you look at other barometers of energy.
Oh, we were energy independent.
We were fracking.
We were up going on a trajectory with all of our assets, pipelines,
new oil fields, new technology, new financing, up to 14, 15 million barrels.
And then Joe Biden came in.
and said, you know what, we're all going to be electric.
We don't need oil.
And then all of a sudden somebody said, Joe, gas is $5 a gallon.
Go beg the Saudis.
Go beg the Venezuelans.
Go beg the Russians.
Go beg the Iranians to pump before the midterm.
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Blame it all on Trump.
That's where we are.
That's surreal.
So, yeah, we're having these civilizational.
And I was asked at a Hoover event this weekend, Neil Ferguson and I were doing a question and answer.
And he asked me, would you ever be alive in the 19th or 20th?
And I said, other than health, you know, incidents, because I probably probably would have been dead with a ruptured appendix in Libya or torn ureter in Greece.
But my point is that I would rather live in the 19th century.
Because in the 20th century, I go to Home Depot and I leave my wallet on the counter for
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And I can't suggest to the checker that she saw who took it or she took it.
Who knows?
But I can tell you that in the 19th century, somebody would have delivered it out here to me
and I would have done the same thing.
So we're collectively better as a people, supposedly.
We're less racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, you know, but we're also worse as individuals.
There's no doubt about it.
Yeah.
Well,
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um listening to the victor davis hansen show and we are talking about elon musk and victor just mentioned illegal immigration.
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some immediate solutions for illegal immigration that they're hoping to at least put forward.
I know they can't get anything through the entire government, but so stay with us, and we'll be right back.
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Wait, yeah, I just thought of something, Sammy, before we go on.
One of the, when we say civilization is crumbling, you can be
an observer of all this phenomenon, or you can look at your own level of expertise or your own small corner.
So if you're an electrician, you're apt to ask yourself, yes, there's new technology, but but were the electricians that you grew up with more professional and competent than the ones now, right?
Or if you're a teacher or a professor, asks of the people who are 65 that are retiring, do they have a different code or ethos?
Well, in classical scholarship, I've been doing a lot of, because I'm writing a book now, and two of the chapters are on the ancient world.
And I'm going through
articles, peer-reviewed articles in the 40s, 50s, or 60s versus the 2010s, 15s, and contemporary.
It's just striking the mastery of Greek and Latin by a prior generation, philological articles.
I look at the journals and see what they're writing about, or I look at the logic or the disinterested logic.
And then I look at this stuff today, you know, and I look at
the construction of manhood, manhood, and the rhetoric of the other Anapalaeus.
Okay.
I just look at that and I read the article just, and there's no,
there's no analysis.
There's no, it's just this theory and that theory, and this is my point, and I'm going to get rewards from my department because I'm woke, and then sloppy use of languages.
I don't think they know Greek and Latin at all very well.
They don't know anything about epigraphy or archaeology.
It's just, it's a total systems collapse.
of young scholars and and the whole fields are imploding and i can see that that's happening in a lot of much more important fields.
And that's what's really scary, because there's a lot of examples through history where people walk around through the ruins and they don't know what it is.
If you're alive in Greece in 900
BC,
Mycenae's been gone for 250 years and you have no idea, and the population is one-tenth of what it was.
And if you're herding goats in the northern Argolid,
or I should say the northern Peloponnese, and you come by Mycenae and you see this big wall and you see this tholos tomb you fall into or you
see this the lion monument, you say to yourself, well, I didn't do that.
Who were they?
Well, they were Cyclops.
And that you have the whole...
the whole ingredients or embryo for myth-making.
And that's where probably it started in the dark ages with people trying to make sense of superhuman phenomenon that they could not emulate in their impoverished present, but they had a vague idea that things were better in the past.
I think we're going to end, we're going to very quickly start to enter a period of nostalgic myth-making because we're going to start to see things that we can't do anymore.
You know what I mean?
And I'm talking about airplanes that are really don't crash, or
we're going to see
bridges that don't fall, and we're going to look at the hoover dam and we're going to say hmm or we're going to look at a transportation said well we we we don't know how to do high-speed rail we're spent 100 billion it's nowhere but how did they used to do it or we can't build a dam in i think we have the last dam we built was 1983.
how did they build the orville dam
who built san luis who did it who built shasta dam where are these people are they in the all in the cemetery but we've lost that expertise has not been
transmitted to other generations, partly because of this war on meritocracy, partly because of individual lack of ethics or competency, partly because of the schools.
But we're going to get into a situation where we're inhabiting a world
in our the material world that we ourselves can barely keep up.
but we're not able to recreate and further and expand.
And I think it's happening right now.
It really is.
When When I just drove down the 99 freeway and I thought to myself, wow, somebody built six lanes in 1970.
Who were they?
They were better.
Look at the roads now.
They're just full of holes.
And
the cars are more sophisticated, but the drivers are far worse.
And wow.
You know, you look at these buildings, you think, when's the last time anybody built a high-rise like that?
And so
it's very scary.
It can come come very quickly.
You get something like COVID and a lockdown and the 120 days of exempt rioting and looting and killing and then the Trump derangement syndrome and the weaponization of the law.
And you can get a slow-moving process and accelerate it so that the country in 2023 does not look like the country at all in 2019.
Yes.
And what you're saying, though, is a little bit ironic on this particular podcast because we did just talk about Elon Musk and he is very innovative.
But
what happens is that's a good example because it's the exception of rules of rule.
He's hated.
He's hated.
I look at articles.
I play a little game when I look at
every morning and I see his name.
I say, plus or minus, plus or minus.
They're mostly minus.
because the left-wing media despises him.
They talk about
his children, his his many girlfriends and marriages,
that he was from South Africa, that his father was Nazi-like, that he doesn't get along with his daughter who's trans or something.
It's all negative.
No one ever stops and says, okay,
you go out and you build Space X and you beat the Europeans yourself.
Or, okay, you create an entire industry and then you become the best-selling car in California.
Just go try it.
You know what I mean?
Yes, I do know what you mean.
And that's so, I don't see anybody else doing it.
What is Bill Gates doing?
He's got more money probably in cash.
He's buying up.
He's buying land.
Yes, for what?
For what?
To protect himself when the whole country goes to shit.
Or to have.
His crackpot ideas about his Michael Bloomberg drop a seed in.
Anybody can do it idea about farming.
What is he doing?
What is he doing with WHO?
What is is he doing on Jeffrey Epstein's plane?
Apparently, he's aiding other governments in their surveillance of their own citizens.
Yeah, he did.
He did.
He did.
He did.
He did.
He did.
And so that's my.
So what?
But your answer to Elon Musk, he is this exception to the rule.
So let's get back to immigration.
Let's get back to, yeah.
So the GOP, I'm sure they would like a wall, et cetera, in the long run, but their short-run solutions are to raise the standard for credible fear of asylum seekers, which is bringing in about 80%
are being released under credible fear.
So they want to raise that so they can stop and return to Mexico.
They want to close loopholes that prevent returning children to the country of origin and minimize family loopholes, which these families are coming in and then they're sending these kids back out and they pretend to be part of a another family apparently that goes on to a great extent so those are the three things i thought that that was a positive thing actually it is and i admire kevin mccarthy because he's trying to do all of these things there's one problem they have an eight to ten margin only in the house they don't have
complete unity on these issues, so they have to give concessions to get a majority.
And when they do pass legislation, it's not going to pass in the Senate.
They've been lucky so far because Diane Feinstein and Federman were out and they couldn't ram through these crazy judicial appointments.
But that's not going to be forever.
And the Senate can block it.
Even if they were able to pull away a cinema and Joe Manchin, Joe Biden would veto it.
What I'm getting at is that election of 2022 was a blank, blank disaster because they could have picked up three to four Senate seats and they didn't didn't do it.
Partly, it was their own fault.
Partly, it was they were overwhelmed by left-wing money.
But, nevertheless,
I mentioned that to Jack.
There's three branches of government: the judiciary, and that's the Supreme Court, and all the federal courts.
And there's the presidency, the executive office, and his cabinet, and there's the legislative, and that's triple dual.
There is the House and the Senate.
They have one sixth of the government.
And that's very hard to enact change.
And
we know exactly how to stop illegal immigration because after all the lawsuits, after all the ridicule, after all the obstruction of the anonymous sort within his own ranks and the DOD,
Donald Trump stopped illegal immigration at the end of 2019 on the eve of the COVID outbreak.
How did he do it?
He finally, finally, finally was able to rebuild 500 miles plus a rickety wall.
And he had just started on the 20 and 30 miles of the new wall with no help from his cabinet or the courts.
They tried to stop it.
He stopped catch and release.
He made refugee status.
It was incumbent.
You had to apply for it overseas.
He started to deport people.
And the word, he went to the Mr.
Obador,
who the socialist anti-American president.
He said, if you keep doing this, we're going to renegotiate the entire
pre-NAFTA pact with you, and you're going to not, you're going to regret it.
And you put the fear of God into Obador who put troops on the Guatemalan and American border.
So we can do it.
And I would have added two or three things that could stop it really quick.
Number one,
you deport everybody who came within the last five years,
B, everybody who is not working on public assistance, and C, everybody who's committed a felony.
Now, the rest of the people who are illegal, who've been here longer than five years, who are crime-free, who are working and productive, then you give them not a passage to automatic citizenship, but to a green card.
Have them pay a fine for breaking the law, and we'll see.
That would stop, that would send a message.
Don't go in the United States.
You're going to get deported.
Number two, if you just took the $60 billion that are sent back to Mexico alone with another 50 to Central America, and you said, you know what?
All money, I don't care who your name is, all money who goes back to those two countries from a United States source is taxed at 10%.
That's basically what?
$10 to $12 billion in income, then use that and finish the wall.
Make what Trump said, make Mexico pay for it.
Number three,
and anybody who's on public assistance
cannot send any money back, even with a tax, because we know what's happening.
They're getting health, housing, food, medical subsidies that free up money, and then that money is sent back to Mexico to replace the money that Mr.
Oberdor will not spend on indigenous people in places like Chiapas,
Yucatan,
Oaxaca, because these are, because Mexico is a racist country.
And so they're asking us to give subsidies to their foreign nationals to free up money so they can send back to do what the Mexican government should do.
Number four,
we should immediately, immediately go after the cartels.
that are deliberately exporting this fentanyl that's killing 100,000 people.
And there are cartel members in the United States.
It's very dangerous to hike around the upper California Sierra foothills.
You can bump into these people.
And we should have a federal task force that goes after every American resident, citizen or not, who's involved with the cartel.
And that could be a lifelong conspiracy sentence if convicted.
And we could tax the cartel.
They've got about $10 billion in profits coming from here.
And so we can put them on an international terrorist list so that we have the names of all of them.
They cannot fly.
They cannot leave the country.
And
they can't come in on any auspices or their families.
You could do all of that, but we're not doing any of it.
And the result is you get 6.5 million entries.
When I write about it,
And I have a syndicator that I've been
for nearly 20 years.
This is what I get.
Well, you can't use the word illegal agent.
How about illegal immigrant?
No, you can't use the word illegal immigrant.
How about
unlawful?
No.
Migrant.
Migrant.
There's no prefix M or E, E, or I, right?
You don't want to prejudice the idea they're going one way or the other way.
It's just a migrant, just like anybody else who, you know,
wanted to get a second home in Cabo.
He's a migrant too.
No different, legal or illegal.
Or if you say there's six and a half million illegal,
prove it.
Prove it.
So when I write a column for the syndicator, sometimes I have to put it, it's almost like I'm writing a research paper.
It comes back not as bad as it used to be because I kind of divorced myself a little bit from them.
So I don't really care whether it's syndicated or not.
But it's always,
always
a
demand for certification
from one ideological point of view.
If I wrote
illegal immigration is a minor problem and I lied and said there's only 500,000 crossings, I don't think that editors of syndicated columns would care.
You see what I'm saying?
Yes, I see.
It's all one way.
And that is what's very frustrating.
Yeah.
On this issue, because ultimately people look at the border and they look at this pathological liar of Naorkas who gets before Congress, takes an oath, and just lies his head off and says the border is secure.
There's no problem, except during the midterms.
And then they kind of go through the motion because it has about a 70%
negative polling
result about their policies.
But ultimately, people ask themselves, what the hell is going on?
What is the purpose?
This costs billions of dollars in social costs to the united states it spikes the crime rate when you don't audit immigrants it takes away valuable social services from our own indigenous citizens our own poor many of them mexican-american and they're citizens so what is behind this and then it's
There's a pause, Sammy, and then they say, oh, you're Tucker Carlson, great replacement theory.
And I think, well, where did that come from?
That's just
your new vocabulary for what you've been bragging about for 40 years.
Quote, demography is destiny, right-wing Republicans.
Demography is destiny.
I.e., subtext, we flip California, we flip New Mexico, we flip Nevada, we flip Colorado, we're flipping.
Arizona, maybe Georgia and Texas.
But if you mention what we're doing, we're not going to call it demography of destiny.
It's going to say you're a crackpot, great replacement theorist.
And, you know, Bill Crystal, I think it was an AEI symposium, got caught on a kind of a hot mic.
He was just talking and said he had no problem because he thought it was good to get rid of some Americans.
He said, you know what?
You know, we get soft and lazy, and so they should just be replaced.
And so, you know, what was the problem?
What was the problem?
Well, if you live in, I don't know, Chevy Chase, or you live in Alexandria and you've got a lot of money and the world is protected and secure.
But if you live out in Mendota or San Joaquin or outside of Reedley, it's a pretty wild world out there with illegal immigration.
Yeah, it sure is.
Well, Victor, let's go ahead and take our last break and then come back and talk about some of the recent events in Chicago with riots and in LA and also the House Judiciary Committee that is investigating
violence going on and the policies for violence.
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I want to build a little bit of a collage very quickly and then just kind of ask what is going on here.
So if you go online, you're going to find videos of these teens rioting.
And one of them I saw they beat up on a poor woman.
Like
there were must have been 20, 30 people around her, and she had no way out.
It was so such a sad video to watch.
And then teens ransacking a gas station.
And the mayor gets up, our new mayor, who seems like much like the old mayor, Lori Lightfoot.
But
Brandon Johnson says, well, we shouldn't demonize you.
have otherwise been starved of opportunities in their communities.
And then finally, we see
in the House Judiciary Committee, Nadler, who starts reciting declining murder rates in New York City to a woman who's just recounted her own son being
killed in violence in New York City.
Her name was Madeline Brom.
And it just seems surreal what's going on.
The narrative
that we see in the presses and with people like Nadler just seems to be really detached from reality, as well as Brandon Johnson.
He was very insensitive to the parents of all these people who were shot, maimed, killed.
And he was just pontificating.
He says the crime rate's going down compared to what?
Because it really spiked in 2020 and 21.
And then maybe it's going down from a record high a little bit.
So then he demagogues that.
And
the point is that
when you look at these things that are going on, at Compton, they had this swarming of the gas station.
And just people were just openly taking pictures.
You could see the miscreants inside the store.
They were destroying it.
You can't have a civilization like that.
It won't work.
if people work very hard to create a business and then people with complete impunity.
And And I'm saying complete impunity because I do not think there's a task force.
I really don't think there's a task force in LA that's looking at every single frame of those videos, right?
And giving rewards for people who send them the videos and then trying to use computer scans and find out who those people are and arrest them.
Because I think they feel that if they did, George Gascon would think, that's not a crime.
They don't have anything.
They just have cell phones and $300 sneakers, but they need a condom.
So they went in and took it.
You don't take a condom because you don't need one.
So you made a law against taking a condom.
That's critical legal theory.
I'm not going to do anything.
And when you looked at the Chicago,
that woman was, there was a very brave guy.
It looked like he was fighting to save her, but she was going to be beaten to death.
And this is what I'm getting at.
And you got to be very careful because I looked at CNN today
and I looked at Apple News and Google News.
Here's, I just saw this, and I don't have it by memory, but it was a headline: white homeowner accused of shooting black teen who just rang his doorbell.
You remember that story with that poor fellow, Mr.
Yari?
He was, I don't know, he was 16.
He was looking to pick up some teenagers.
He, African-American, he goes to the door, and some poor
85-year-old white guy, for some reason, shoots him right through the screen and gets paranoid.
Well, that's a horrible thing.
And I think he should be prosecuted for reckless endangerment, second-degree manslaughter.
I don't know what the particular felony is, but he will be.
But my point is, that was the only story in all of these left-wing news.
And there was nothing really about the woman who was almost beaten to death.
right, by this crowd of largely, not all, but largely African-American teens.
Or the people in compton not all but largely african-american teens or the three girls who were executed in florida with their gang dallions by three african-american teens or the little 10-year-old boy and his sister in florida that who were beaten to a pulp on a bus by african-american teens
or
grand paul's aide that was stabbed and almost killed by an African-American, right?
Or that poor doctor who was riding his, remember that?
His His road bike down in Orange County, and he was killed by a mixed person of mixed race who said that he hated white people.
My point was that you could argue that if this case were a person shot through the,
and I think this is probably some person who watches TV all day long and is paranoid about all of the crime he sees, and he's defenseless, and he gets a gun, and he doesn't know proper protocol, and he shoots somebody, and he will pay a big price for that.
And he should, because from what we know now, that kid was perfectly innocent.
But so was the woman who was trying to get into her apartment, so was the doctor, so were the poor kids on the bus.
And there's nothing, so was Rand Paul's aide.
There's no stories, there's no outrage, there's no black caucus commentary, there's no Al Sharpin.
And
when you want to, like Heather McDonald is doing a valuable search, she's trying to quantify that.
But when you try to quantify it and you go to look at data, you can't find the FBI
statistics much earlier than 2020 or 19.
Partly that's because states like California refuse to turn over their data to the FBI because they don't want it to be used to show trends that they feel is what unhelpful to the narrative.
Just like cities in the Bay Area will not release the mugshot, or BART won't show videos of kids swarming people and beating them up.
And so, what I'm getting at is that this is an unsustainable dialogue we're having.
And it goes like this:
that from the last data we have, 2019 and 2020, from the FBI,
African Americans that are about 12%
to 13%,
half of those are are 6 to 7% males, half of those between 14 and 40 is about 3 to 5% of the population.
46%
of all violent felonies are committed largely by that rubric.
There may be some women, some older men, when the data shows that African Americans commit 46% of all, but it's mostly that 3 to 5%.
of murders it's climbed to 54 percent of all murders in the united states are committed by that three to four percent
and then people will say well that mostly the victims are african american that's true that's more reason why to concentrate on that three to five percent but more importantly
an interracial crime it's about six to eight times more likely for an african-american in that rubric male three to five to shoot somebody hurt rape somebody assault somebody who is not of his race than that race to attack him.
In rare
hate crimes, that rubric is about two and a half, two to two and a half times more likely to assault somebody of another race than to be assaulted.
So do you see my picture?
There is data there, and it shows that we have a problem.
Now, you can argue about the exegesis of it.
the origins.
You can say, well, Victor, it's the history and the legacy of slavery in Jim Quote.
Let's discuss it.
It's because of institutional poverty.
Let's discuss it.
Or if you're on the conservative side, well, Victor, it's the great society.
They destroyed the black family.
Tom Sowell's to be cited in these cases.
So is Shelby Steele.
But whatever the particular analysis is, you have to start with the premise, and we're not talking about it.
To talk what I just said, I'm probably going to get an email from some dean at Stanford that I'm on probation.
But you can't talk about facts.
And when the medicine is worse than the disease in a society, it falls apart.
Kind of like the debt.
You can't talk about federal spending.
But that's the problem.
And we have to, if you could just have the African-American crime rate reflect the Asian crime rate.
The Mexican-American crime rate is a little higher than its demographic, but if it just reflected the Mexican-American or the poor white demographic, then the crime problem would
basically disappear.
You would have crime rates analogous to European countries, and yet no one wants to talk about this.
And why is that?
So then that demands some explanation.
Is it because the Al Sharpins or the Black caucus feel that without a riot or an
asymmetrical crime rate, there's no leverage over people?
Is that it?
I don't know.
But all these issues are not going to disappear unless you're honest about it.
If
go ahead.
I was going to say, can I play a left-wing intellectual or whatever?
Go ahead.
I want to be refuted because I don't want to be right.
They would say to you, well, all of our DEI initiatives, whether they're in education or in companies, et cetera, are intended to make those places more comfortable for blacks so that that population has someplace else to go besides the streets.
And that's kind of a short on what I think their argument is.
But that's not directed at the people that were beating up that poor white girl trying to get into her apartment, or the people that were beating that person up on the bus, or the person that ran over the bicyclist and then went out and stabbed him to death, or the person that ambushed Rand Paul's aid and tried to stab him to death.
Those people are not applying for those jobs.
The people who are applying.
Or going to school.
No, yeah, the people who are applying are middle class and elites.
Don Lamon is not doing that.
Don Lamon is applying on the argument that he represents the African-American prejudicial traditions and therefore he needs some repertory treatment because he's incompetent and he's nasty and he's mean, but he's got a very good billet.
He has no ratings and that ruthless business.
If you don't have ratings for whatever cause, you're gone.
And they've been firing people.
They will not fire him.
And that, what is that based on?
Is it based on the idea that there is an enormous black crime problem and society has to address it?
And because they don't know how to address it, maybe one of the solutions is to take a very elite, well-educated Don Lamone and give him a nudge up?
Is that what it is?
Because that's not going to answer the problem.
But I think that's part of the problem, that we take the OPAs and the Obamas and the Eric Holders of the world and we say, you're suffering from all of these pathologies given, and we're going to give you extra.
And so we're not going to let Barack Obama's, I don't know, we're not going to let his transcript be released from Harvard or what he said that the LA Times recorded.
We're not going to release that, or we're going to suppress that photo with Farrakhan before the election.
And we're going to do that because he represents a tradition of racism.
But is that because we've we've got chaos in all of our cities
and that's not going to redirect believe me when don lamon goes to chicago or
new york he does not go at 11 at night in harlem or he doesn't go into south side of chicago at the wrong time in the wrong place
Maybe Jesse Small,
it was very important what he did as an iconic moment because he is an elite.
And what he was trying to show you is that
he is a victim of white crime, but he couldn't find white crime.
He could walk around everywhere in Chicago.
He could walk into Atherton.
He could walk into Hillsboro.
He could go into, I don't know, any community, Chevy Chase, and he would not be assaulted at 2 or 3 in the morning.
So he had to invent it.
You know what I mean?
And he couldn't find white people.
Why didn't he just go hire some white people?
I don't understand why he had to hire two African immigrants from Africa and then make them wear white face.
You see what I'm saying?
Yes.
And why did he have to come up with a noose?
If what this narrative is true, there would be nooses everywhere.
All you'd have to do is, hey, I'm going to go down and find a really nice area of Houston or Mobile, and there'll be nooses everywhere and MAGA hats, and I'm dead.
You can't.
So that's what's behind all of when you have a toxic situation where you have too many victimized and not enough victimizers, too many of the oppressed, and you're in dire need of the oppressors.
You get the Duke La Crosse.
You get the news stories.
You get the guy that's a NASCAR that becomes a folk hero because he says that there's a noose somewhere, because you can't find the actual demonstration.
I'm not saying there's not insidious, implicit, but you also have to add adjectives.
You have to say systemic, right, or insidious, because you can't just say racism, because you can't find racism at the level you need to be a victim.
And that's something.
The only person I know that's writing about or talking about it
is Tom Sowell and Heather McDonnell.
That's about it.
And they've both been demonized terribly.
And to the degree that I even discuss it, I try to go, before I say anything, I try to look at the FBI statistics.
And you know what I find out when I go search them, going back to the Google order of the searches, it's hard to find them, Sammy, because they're embedded with other articles.
You know what all the articles are about?
They're from criminology professors.
You know what they're all about?
They're trying to contextualize embarrassing data.
And they either say one of two things,
the vast majority of victims are African-American.
Yes.
Yes.
And that somehow excuses it.
I don't understand that when people say, well, yes, but the victims are African-American.
It doesn't matter who the victims are.
The point is, you can stop it if you focus on that particular group.
And what would you do?
You'd have to have a carrot and stick.
You'd have to get all these elite people and just say, you know what?
Why don't you have charter schools?
Why don't you have mentor programs?
Why don't you move into the inner city?
Why don't you do that?
You're very liberal.
You can do that.
And then you would have to say, if you're going to have
a felony arrest and you use a gun, then you're going to go to jail and you're going to stay there.
There was about, what was it, 370 or so shoplifters, crime thieves, these crime waves were responsible for the vast majority of crime in New York.
It wouldn't be very hard.
There's not that many people that are doing it.
Yes.
And it's not the African-American community per se.
It's inner-city African-American youth with one parent, no father,
between the ages of 14 and 40.
And there's a certain historical paradigm about that.
When, in a society where there is no father,
and or there is a sometimes father who can abuse the children or the wife and leaves, comes back,
and the mother then, in these types of tribal paradigms,
then
bonds with the son because the son is the protector of the mother.
And then the mother then indulges the son.
So you have the surreal paradoxical situation where somebody without a father and without equal opportunity can be, in a sense, spoiled by the mother who focuses on that child as her only
defense and source of security.
And that's what's happening.
And so it's really sad, but it's also very dangerous.
I got in really big trouble years ago.
You remember Ta Nahisi Coates?
He was the great heartthrob.
And he was giving this thing.
He wrote essays about the talk, right?
You have to have the talk with your son and says the police are out to kill you, basically, and be careful.
And then we found out that the Washington Post showed that on an average year, I think it's 11 out of 11, 11 African Americans are shot while unarmed during the arrest process or in custody nationwide out of 11 million arrests and while they are overrepresented in the demographic since they're three to five percent of male suspects and whites are a much larger group and yet they're about equally represented as shot in terms of those who come in contact with the police they're not they're not overrepresented.
And that fact didn't phase any of these people when they started talking about the talk.
So I wrote a thing, I think it was from National View, and said, I had a talk too.
And basically, when I had no money and I was a graduate student, I moved to East Palo Alto.
It was pretty wild, really wild, right on 101 in those days, 70s.
And my father came there and he said, you know, I just went up to Oakland to drive your mother to somewhere.
And I got surrounded by four African-American young people when I went to get to the car and they tried to rob me.
And he was a pretty big guy.
And he said, it'll be a lot easier if I just give you each $20.
And then he was saying, don't go to this area.
And then he walked around my apartment in East Palo Alto.
And he said, I got to tell you something.
Do not go out in this neighborhood after 9 o'clock.
Just don't do it.
And he left.
And I thought, you know what?
I'm going to go to the library one night.
So I got on my 10-speed.
It wasn't a 10-speed in those days.
It had the gears, you know, down on the frame.
Yes.
And I had no helmet.
And I was going down University Avenue and I got to Middlefield Road and a pickup pulled up alongside me and said, hey,
what time is it?
I said, I don't know.
It's dark.
I had lights on and they jumped out and tried to take my bike.
And my fingers were like vices, you know, that this is the only way I have to get to school.
And so we had this ridiculous situation of these three African-American teens.
trying to pull my bike from me and I was intertwined like an octopus and they were lifting it up and then a policeman came by by and they threw it down with me on it and i
and that was my father's advice so i wrote about that i just said i had to talk to and i was called a racist i was just defamed all through the internet but it was it was it
i think what i'm getting at is if we do not have an honest conversation that there's an inordinate profile to violent crime in the country and we have to have an open mind why that is so.
And we entertain both liberal and conservative analyses.
And we let we have a debate and a debate not to demonize or to do anything, but to save lives,
lives of any background.
And then we try to come up with a solution.
But what we're doing now is we're unleashing BLM and the sharptons and the grifters of BLM
to demonize, sue the media, sensationalize.
And
we're not going to have the problem because the average Joe of any ethnic background is going to say, well, wait a minute, I'm a Chinese American dentist and the African-American attacks on people that are Asian is disproportionate.
Nobody talks about it.
Or I'm a Hasidic Jew and the African-American attacks on
Hasidic Jews versus Hasidic Jews on Africa is very asymmetrical and nobody talks about it.
Or I'm a poor white person and everybody's making fun of me of being racist, but interracial crime and hate crimes, which might be proper barometers of racism, is disproportionately black on white and black on other groups rather than other groups and white on black.
And that's all.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Well, Victor, we're at the end of the show.
Thank you very much for everything today.
It was wonderful.
And I would like to thank the listeners as well.
And I'd like to thank everybody for putting up with me again.
I have one thing, actually, before we leave.
I was at that Hoover conference as well.
And I noticed walking out, I was behind you a little ways, and this young kid who was clearing tables as part of the team that had put, you know, that had done the service and stuff.
And he turned around.
You didn't notice him because there were way too many people talking to you.
But he goes,
hello, Mr.
Hansen.
Thank you for everything you do.
So I thought I'd tell you that.
He was very young.
What I was impressed by was very young because we always kind of think our population is older, but he was probably early 30s.
The reason I'm talking about race is that
I never had that reaction.
I'm 69.
And people, you know, I was occasionally on Fox.
I did some radio.
I even did NPR.
I wrote for the New York Times book reviews.
You name it.
I wrote, you know, at that time, say till I was 63.
But
I had that occasionally, but you go on Fox three nights a week and you get that a lot.
But what I'm getting at is not, I don't, you know, it's not, it's not an ego thing.
I don't, I'm uncomfortable.
I have, I'm socially inept anyway.
So when people I don't know come up, but I'm very struck and moved when they all say thank you.
And you say, well, what did I do?
and what follows is something like that but what they're really saying is not about me or anybody it's we don't have people that speak out for a traditional American view we are not culpable we are not racist we're good people we're our whole traditions our history have been defamed and smeared and lied about and
there's you know Abraham Lincoln was a good man and George Washington was a good man and the U.S.
Constitution was good, and what we did in World War II was commendable, and what we did in the Cold War was good.
We don't have to be perfect to be good.
And they don't have a voice.
So anybody they detect that is empathetic to them and wants to voice what they're feeling, I think.
they get very emotional.
And I wasn't aware of that before.
And now I am because people come up and say, and I'm sure they do that to a lot of people.
But what I'm I'm getting at is there's a whole group of people out there that they get up and they live
a life, not of quiet desperation, but of quiet frustration.
And they want to yell out, they want to yell, put their head out the window and said, I'm not a racist, I'm not a trans folk, but damn it, I'm not going to sit here while 50 years of women's efforts to obtain
gender equity, sexual equity in sports is going to be destroyed by biological males who have muscular skeletal advantages.
I'm not going to sit here and take that.
I'm not.
I'm not going to have my son or my daughter.
I'm not going to have my daughter go into the shower at 13 with somebody who has testicles and a piece.
I'm not going to do that.
And so they don't feel that they can articulate that without being smeared and demonized.
And I think they're looking for anybody to
say something.
And
they just,
they go on television and they see all of these videos of crime, and they see that everybody is deploring it.
Even Fox, I mean, the only person that talks about it to some degree is Tucker Carlson, and they call him a racist.
But what his point is that when you look at what the people are doing in Chicago swarming, that's racist.
Or what they did in Compton is largely,
believe me, there's a racial component to it.
There's a racial component to what happened to that doctor.
There was a racial component on that bus, but you cannot talk about that.
And that's very important because if you keep talking about race in just these polarizing terms, you're going to get that.
So if somebody does that and they'll think, well, why not go swarm somebody?
Because I turned on CNN and they all they talked about was rage, rage.
And then Mark Milley said the military's got white rage and white supremacy in it.
Can you believe that?
And that's that filters down.
Yeah, it sure does.
And it becomes, well, if that's true, then it's okay to do this.
And that's what's scary, because this is what this is what Rwanda was about.
This is what Yugoslavia was about.
This is what the violence, sectarian violence in Ireland.
And once you start doing that and nobody stops it, and nobody says it's wrong.
to demonize somebody collectively by their race, no matter who it is.
And you are perpetuating a stereotype that is racist.
And you're virtue signaling and demagoguing this.
And this is going to inflame people.
And is that your purpose?
And if people will say that, we can stop it.
Yeah.
All right, Victor.
Thank you very much.
This is Sammy Wink and Victor Davis-Hanson, and we're signing off.
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