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Hello, ladies.

Hello, gentlemen.

This is the Victor Davis-Hanson Show.

I'm Jack Fowler, the host.

Victor Davis-Hanson is the star and the namesake.

He is the Martin and Ely Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

Victor has an official home on the internet.

It's called VictorHanson.com.

Well, that's its web address.

Its real name is the Blade of Perseus, and we'll talk about that a little later in this podcast.

Today, we will talk about some political activity.

It seems like Governor DeSanthis, or at least his super PAC, has begun to push back against Donald Trump or at Donald Trump.

And there's some other contenders, or maybe contenders, or looming contenders in the Republican primary.

We'll get Victor's take on

on some, oh my gosh, some crazy business out in Michigan where the legislature there wants to hand money over to red Chinese companies to open factories in Michigan.

And we also have, in my opinion, the 250th anniversary

commission

for America's forthcoming birthday.

Looks like it's going to be a woke nightmare.

So there's plenty more we could be talking about, but we'll get to all this and maybe more more right after these important messages.

We're back with the Victor Davis-Hansen show.

Victor, on the political front, Governor Ron DeSantis is not announced for president, but there is some related super PAC, some DeSantis super PAC, which released its first ad.

It was a 30-second ad

that was going after Donald Trump.

And it essentially said,

why are you attacking me,

DeSantis?

Why are you attacking DeSantis on matters like Social Security when you should be attacking the left and Biden?

So that was the first foray.

And your thoughts on that, Victor?

And mixed in with that, if you wouldn't mind, we have the news from the other day that Mike Pompeo, the former Secretary of State, who seemed like he was going to be running, has announced that he will not run.

Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin is taking a quote-unquote pause from the concept of will he run or not.

And then U.S.

Senator from South Carolina, Tim Scott, there's been a lot of

energized talk over the last few days that he will be throwing his hat into the ring.

By the time this podcast airs, Victor, he may have.

Anyway, Victor, there's a Republican GOP 2024 presidential topic.

Have at it, please.

Well, so let's just start with the two contenders.

So where we are was that

DeSantis was running about four or five points behind Trump in the national polls into the Alvin Bragg indictment.

And he was probably running dead even in New Hampshire or Iowa, maybe close in South Carolina.

And then the natural empathy for this outrage, and it was an outrage,

helped Trump.

And the Trump, I'm trying to be disinterested here, not trying to be biased toward any other particular candidate.

So this is my take on it.

So I think what happened was with this outpouring of empathy for the way that Trump was being charged basically with a misdemeanor that was beyond the statute of limitations, that was trying to be inflated into a felony, which he didn't have jurisdiction over, Bragg didn't, that people thought it was an outrage.

And then,

when on the horizon, there was going to be this Georgia prosecution, maybe over a phone call, and then Letita James is going to get in it with saying that he didn't value his real estate quite the way she would think you should.

And I've sold and bought homes.

I can tell you that it's very hard to know what your home is worth.

And that most people that I bought in homes, bought homes from, said it was worth a lot more than it was.

And then we have, of course, a special counsel who's going to

try to indict Donald Trump for the presidential papers and make us forget that Joe Biden, in some ways, was worse, much worse, much more egregious because he had it in three, much less secured locations.

He was vice president with no authority to declassify them.

And he had them there for five or six years and didn't tell anybody about it.

So that's where we are.

And that has got that, what I just delineated, has given us a lot of sympathy.

So Trump soared up to 20, 25 points ahead of DeSantis.

And then I think the strategy was,

as I understand it, Jack, just empirically, was to

smother in the cradle the DeSantis and all the other candidacies, but especially DeSantis, because he seems to have more

percentage support, about 25, 26% than any other candidates combined.

So the idea was to run these on Republican conservative stations like Fox News.

And it was to hit him with the MAGA agenda.

That is, he's against Social Security.

He's not really conservative.

And then DeSantis, I think there were critics of his suggesting he was following Rudy Giuliani.

I don't think he was, but that was a criticism that he was holding back and would come in and like gangbusters right before the primaries.

And that did not work because by the time Giuliani did, he had no momentum, and the other candidates were off to the races.

So, so I think what's happened now is DeSantis is, I mean, some of the some of the ads against him that he

was almost a predator were kind of crazy.

Remember that PAC was running, and he had a picture of him as a high school teacher just talking to some girls and smiling.

You know, he's, it was, that was kind of low.

So now he's going to run ads.

And because Trump talks a lot, I mean, mean, he's running these ads that suggest, and they have some pretty damning quotes that Trump was sort of telling Diane Feinstein and other liberals he can handle the national, he's not afraid of the National Rifle Association.

He thought that you had to deal with, and he was right about that, you had to deal with the

bankruptcy looming on the horizon in Social Security.

Everybody knows it, but you're just not supposed to say it.

Democrats have convinced Republicans that that

we know it's going broke, but we won't say it.

We know you're the adult, so you will say it's going broke and you want to reform it, and then we're going to attack you.

And then Republicans said, not anymore, you're not.

We're going to out-demagogue you.

And that's where we are.

But both of them probably have at times said you had to address it, but Trump says he hasn't.

So I think what you're going to see now is DeSantis running these ads to show that Trump has said so many things

that there's going to be some embarrassing things to to his base.

I don't know if it'll have any effect.

I don't know if Trump's ads.

The main thing that's going to have an effect in that race is simply

going to be three things.

One,

how Trump reacts to these indictments.

Two, how many there are and what they consist of in terms of are they going to have a gag order?

Or is he going to have to be in court all the time?

Are they going to try to put him in jail?

And this can go on for 18 months.

and then three is

during this time is he going to be distracted or otherwise what do the polls show

desantis today a poll came out a republican poll that shows that desantis does about four points better against biden than trump does and so

if

Trump is tied up for 18 months, he may not be, but if he were to be tied up, will the Republican voter, not the base voter,

not the never Trump voter, but in-between voter who will decide this nomination,

the swing voter, are they going to say, you know what, he's been treated very terribly and he had a great four years, but I can't take the psychodramas, the melodramas that just keep coming.

And I just want to, you know, as I said to Sammy, I'm Elliot in true romance.

I just want to get, I can't take this anymore.

You know,

I want to get rid of it.

I'm going to go go into a fetal position.

I think Ted Turner used to say that I get into a fetal position on the floor of my office.

I couldn't handle things.

If that's true, then that empathy will be generic and it will start to be absorbed by the other candidates.

And they'll say, you know, this wasn't about Trump.

He said it wasn't about Trump.

He said it was about all of us.

So it's about all of us.

They're at war with us.

And then that will wane.

I don't know if that's going to happen.

And then DeSantis, then we're going to see very interesting because I think he's going to announce very soon.

And these negative ads will see the thing to watch in the first week or so to see if they have any

legs if they start to whittle down on Trump's lead.

But more importantly, is how he does them.

And I think it's very smart.

to not open up a new flank against Trump.

In other words, what he's doing is he's saying, why is he attacking me?

I'm not the problem.

I'm not doing all these crazy things.

I know why he's doing it politically, but it's not right.

It's just going to hurt us.

We've got to unite.

And then the second thing is, if he's going to attack me politically for what I've said, and sometimes responsibly, even though you may not like it, well, he said things that are crazier.

Here they are.

And so we'll see what that has.

Pompeo is a great candidate.

I've talked to him a lot.

I like him a great deal.

I think he did a wonderful job as Secretary of State, CIA director, but it's very hard to run for office when you don't have an elected constituency.

He did at one time.

He was a very successful congressman.

But you're not, if you haven't been elected lately and you're not running for office and you're not in office that way, you can exercise and demonstrate executive authority or legislative prowess, it's very hard to get a constituency.

Nikki Haley, to be frank, and I think Tim Scott are running, they're doing the Buddha Jag

Kamala Harris route.

They're running for vice,

maybe a vice president or a major cabinet position because they're not going to be viable candidates, I don't think.

Lynn Young's a different story because he is

he's got a very long history of financial expertise.

He's done a great job in Virginia.

It's a one, I think it's a one-term government.

It is one term, right?

Yeah.

And so there's no, he's got to do something if he wants to stay in politics.

He's got a lot of wherewithal.

He's been very financially successful.

He's got a good personality.

He's well spoken.

He appeals to evangelicals.

He's got, and so he is one person that I think of all the candidates would have some ability to affect the race.

So I think you're really still

Trump versus DeSantis and then Yunkin

having some ability to draw support from either one of the candidates.

It's a little different than 2016 when Trump was, you know, he got 25, 26 percent right away.

And everybody, there were so many candidates, they had five and six.

So now everybody said, well, we don't want to, if you don't want Trump or you do want Trump, it depends a lot on how many candidates.

That's the conventional wisdom that this time around, you're going to see more of a head-to-head because the candidates are going to be fewer and they're not going to be as attractive to the voters.

And we'll see what happens.

But it's so, you know, if we, if we went by what all of this, you know, I read politico, I read all of these pundits that, you know, if you went by them, you would think that Scott Walker won.

You know what I mean?

It's just,

at this time in

2016, everybody said that Scott Walker was

the perfect

candidate.

And he stood up to the left.

Those terrible

few weeks he had up there with

the lefties in Madison.

right?

He was a great governor, but when he got on the debate stage,

he didn't do very well.

And that's the thing.

I remember when I was younger, everybody thought at 68, John Conley had gone.

Oh, my gosh.

Remember, they thought he spent

$11 million for one delegate, right?

Yeah.

And

then I think it was in 2004, 2004, wasn't it, that we were told there were two ideal candidates.

And John Kerry was a has-been.

He hadn't entered.

And it was Howard Dean.

I'm going to go to this.

I'm going to go to this.

I'm going to go, yeah, yeah, I'm going to Washington.

And that kind of showed that he was an idiot.

And then I think Michael Moore was pushing, oh, we've got to get a general and show our feet azee.

It's Wesley Clark.

Remember that?

Oh, my gosh.

Forgot about him.

Yeah, yeah.

And then it was, there's two Americas, John Edwards.

And he came closest, I think,

at one point.

But my point is that

it's too early and there's going to be certain intangibles.

One is how bad does Biden get?

And that's very important because

if a candidate in a head-to-head poll says, I'm the only one that can beat Biden, it's one thing.

But if both of them can beat Biden, because anybody can beat Biden, then that's something to think about.

And then there's the age factor.

Donald Trump is 76 years old.

I think he's going to be 77 in June, and he'll be June of 2023.

So he would be running June of

24.

He would be 77.

And then

he would be in his first year, 78 years old, and he'd be 82 years old.

For Donald Trump, that shouldn't mean anything because he's a force of nature.

But when you look at other people like Biden or Feinstein or Pelosi, you get the impression they should have checked out or Paulos.

Oh my gosh, Feinstein, these images of her lately, she looks like she's

losing.

Well, I don't think she looks too bad for an 89-year-old person, but she's 89 years old.

And all these people that want to live forever keep saying, oh, 50 is a new 30, 60 is a new 40.

I was 40 and I'm 69.

It isn't the new 40.

At least not for me.

And 80 is the new 60.

No, I asked Joe Biden.

He's 80 years old.

He looks at the accent.

He looks 90, actually.

I was very embarrassed.

I got to tell you this, but this is very embarrassing.

So when I got this sting, I got really dizzy.

I don't know why.

I guess it was immune.

So I had to go this weekend.

I still have a touch of it.

So, you know how Joe Biden puts his hands out like he's balancing?

Yes.

Those little short steps.

I got up really early to swim, and

I got kind of really

dizzy.

And so I walked into this coffee thing at the hotel and I had my hands, I guess, and this little kid, this not little kid, he was a high school guy.

That guy works, the guy gets walking just like Joe Biden.

And I turned around and thought, who's that?

And I thought, oh, hell, he's talking about me.

Only 69.

I'm not 80.

At least he didn't come up behind the kid and sniff his hair.

No, I didn't.

I didn't.

Yeah, so I think that's where we are in the campaign.

It's too early.

We've got to see how we don't, we've got to see how DeSantis does on the debate stage.

We've got to see how Trump does.

We've got to, but I think you can see the Trump campaign strategy.

It is to drop megatonage on all, on Yunkin and DeSantis now and eliminate them and then unite the party and dangle out vice presidencies and all that stuff to unite the party.

I think their strategy is

we're going to get even with the left.

We're not going to get mad.

We're not going to be in court over porno-star, even though it's a travesty of justice what they're doing.

But because the left is so insane, we're not going to give them any opening to the degree we can.

We're not going to have any vulnerabilities to the degree Trump does.

So that's going to be the narratives.

I don't think there's going to be a lot of differences on policy.

By that, I mean, I just don't think a Paul Ryan or a Mitt Romney or a John McCain type of candidate can make it in the Republican primary.

And I thank God for that.

I don't see any Republican other than Nikki Haley saying, we've got to go on to Moscow.

We've got to give them the tools to win.

We've got to give them harpoon missiles.

We've got to sink the Black Sea.

We've got to give them 1,000 Abram Can.

That spring offensive, it won't work unless we give them 50 EPSICs, that kind of stuff.

I don't think that is going to work.

And I don't see anybody saying the most important thing right now is to lower the capital gains rate.

I would like to see it lowered, but there's other things like the border that are far more important.

So I don't think you'll see the wonkish Romney-Paul Ryan type of Republican.

I just don't think they exist anymore.

Because the Republicans,

you know,

have become a more empathetic middle-class party, and the left is going crazy.

So they keep, they go, I don't want to, I don't recognize the big Republican party.

What happened to old Bob Michaels and Mitt Romney and John McKay?

Well, they didn't really care about the middle class.

That's what happened.

They're just like you.

You don't care about it.

And you're the Jacobin revolutionary Marxist Party.

You're the ones that Bill Clinton wouldn't recognize, even though he wouldn't say that publicly.

There was a happy acceptance with Bob Michael types of

minority status.

And I like

he was a very decent person.

He was.

His role was to be sober and judicious and be a perennial minority leader.

It was kind of like he was in 1936

and the Roosevelt Democratic Coalition had all the powers of government, and he was supposed to be a factotum and kind of, now wait a minute, just slow down a little bit.

Yes, we're going to give you this,

but let me just give me just not so much.

If we're going to run a trillion-dollar deficit, let's do 900.

It'd be good to have a, not now, because I want want to ask you a vice presidential question, but to have a perspective someday on what Newt Gingrich meant to

the party, because

he pushed Michael out and

he really changed the mindset of what it could be, what a Republican could be.

Staying on the presidential subject, 2024, Victor, you're just, you know, we talked a lot in the past about the Hispanic vote in America seeming to be moving towards affinity

to the Republicans.

And I wonder, as you just mentioned, you know, people may be wanting to run so they could be

really to be selected as the vice presidential candidate.

I kind of think it would be important for Republicans for long-term political purposes to have a Hispanic on

the ticket.

I normally don't believe in kind of ethnic

or whatever.

You know, we need the first Hispanic, the first whatever.

I don't know that that matters so much, but I wonder if

considering and having an Hispanic on the Republican ticket would have long-term consequences.

Well, I think who is the vio?

There's only two Hispanics, but they, and they're both Cubans, Cruz and

Rubio.

Cruz doesn't resonate.

in the Hispanic community.

Rubio does to a little a greater degree, but the Cubans are already with the Republican Party.

So what you really need is a Mexican-American

because that's a much larger constituency.

And there is no word.

I don't think there is an idea of Latino-Hispanic solidarity that means that the Venezuelans and the Argentines and the Cubans and the Mexican Americans and Salvador are all in one group.

They may, the left may see them that way, but they still don't.

Cubans are pretty much,

the younger Cuban generation gallied around with Obama and split that community and then I think they came of age and and they're not we saw that that DeSantis won Dade County

and so what you if you can find a prominent Mexican-American candidate but that community is not

it's

the problem with

the blue states is that

that's where most of the Mexican-American population lives.

I'm talking about Nevada, California,

New Mexico, Colorado.

There is an exception with Texas, but they think they're turning it blue, maybe Georgia a little bit.

And in those states, they're run by Democrats.

So if you're going to be a Hispanic politician, you have to be a Democrat.

And they don't represent, if you look at the California legislature and what young Hispanic Mexican-American lawmakers are saying versus what polls say, they do not represent the majority anymore, maybe close to a majority, but at least 45 to 50 percent of Hispanics do not want an open border.

They're baffled by transgenderism.

They want more affordable fuel.

They don't buy into the Green New Deal.

So they want tough crime.

They want border enforcement, as I said.

And

there's a generation gap that people are younger.

There's two the fissures in the Mexican-American community are predicated on if you're younger and if you just cross the border, i.e.,

you're first generation.

If you're over 40 and you're a second or third generation Mexican-American, the chances are you are increasingly upset about voting Democratic, even though you grew up saying you had to, because California's democratic policies do not reflect your interest.

And so at some point, the only problem with the whole thing, Jack, is that everybody, Carl Rowe, everybody's everybody's been saying the Hispanic vote's going to change.

It never has.

Right.

Yeah.

It's kind of like when I was growing up, the left said, oh, the Hispanic vote, we're getting all these illegal aliens.

It's going to change.

And they didn't vote.

They didn't vote.

And then suddenly under Barack Obama, there were these massive efforts to register.

And they did vote.

And I don't know if that's going to happen in reverse with Republicans if suddenly they're going to say, you know what?

My parents' party is destroying the country.

I'm an upper middle class professional.

I'm in government.

I have a small business, and they make it impossible for me to function.

I don't care if my kid gets affirmative action.

I do not care if

my

California small town is all Spanish-speaking.

I care about whether it's safe.

I care if the schools are going to get my kid into a good school.

I care about that.

And they're not getting that from their leadership.

But I don't know of a national politician on the right that has that stature yet.

Build the bill.

Right.

Yeah.

But maybe Marco Rubio would be, because he's radically changed, at least ostensibly, from what he was.

He used to be sort of a,

I don't know what he was, but now you listen to him.

He wants to balance the budget and this, this, this.

He's kind of like a Tom Cotton,

although he is a little bit,

I don't know what to, on Ukraine, I think he's not where DeSantis and Trump are.

Yeah.

Well, Mike, Mike, all I can think about with Marco Rubio is

Chris Christie kneecapping him at that debate.

That's kind of fun.

Yeah, I was a moment.

Yeah, that was cruel, but something about Chris Christie, I mean, ever since that phone, you know, when the highway problem and the traffic.

Yeah,

he's a nasty piece of money.

He's a nasty person.

I've heard him and speak.

I've met him.

He came to a Hoover Institution event.

There's something about him.

What I really didn't like was that he participated in the preparation for Donald Trump's, I think, disastrous first debate in 2020.

I think Trump's second debate was very good.

He clearly won.

And that had almost no effect because I think at that time, 55% of the electorate had already voted under this

debased system that they've given us.

But Chris Christie not only helped prep and gave him the advice to be rude and abrupt and to rattle Joe Biden.

But he went on television the next couple of days and started critiquing and criticizing Trump.

Remember that?

I couldn't believe it.

I thought, wow, you just, why don't you just hold yourself up in a mirror?

And so

something about him,

I just, I don't have any strong feelings about candidates, but something about him really bothers me.

Well, look, the kissing, kissing up to Obama

right before the right, and then

a truly bad picture the beaches are closed in New Jersey

except for him and his family yeah so that was damn yeah well hey Victor

we mentioned talking about that that spot that the

DeSantis pack related pack I should say ran yeah in it

DeSantis said, we're not going to mess with Social Security rebutting claim that Trump has made, which leads us into

another topic here, and that is

Social Security and

emerging reports that it looks like

the trust fund will be depleted within a decade.

So

the politics of not embracing, I'm going to take on Social Security.

Yeah, I can see not

making that

the top of my platform.

I'd rather let's say, get me elected and then I'll see what I can do.

It's a mess because

there's so many things going on.

The old argument of raising the retirement age was always that life expectancy was just exponentially growing, you know, from when the system was founded at 63 or 68, then 70.

Now supposedly life expectancy.

I looked at some tables.

It's 76 or 77 for males and 81 or 82 for, but I went back and looked and it's supposed to be about 83.

And what's happened is, I guess with either fentanyl or lifestyle or obesity, whatever it is, America's life expectancy to hit a plateau.

That's number one.

And then number two, demographically, as late as 2000, we had about 2.1 children per family.

We were way ahead of Europe, and now we're down to 1.6 almost.

So the pool that pays in is getting smaller and smaller.

And the argument to raise the retirement age to stave off bankruptcy is getting weaker and weaker.

And then, most importantly, Social Security is not a program for the aged anymore.

It's got

everybody from dyslexia or disability.

And when you see 7 million people coming in across the border, I just looked at that group coming in.

I can tell you that a lot of them are going to be on

medi-cal, social security, dysfunctional.

Qualify for disability.

Yes.

Absolute Social Security disability.

So I don't see,

I don't think any politician has the guts to address it.

And I think it's going to start to implode.

And then they're going to have some bipartisan where they're going to raise taxes.

The other problem is that when you look at what they've done for payroll taxes, they keep increasing their rate.

I think it's over 7%.

And then the floor of your income, I think we went from 80 to 100, 100, is it 150, the first 150 subject?

And the Democrats are, they know how to reform it.

They want to give more and more stuff to people to win voters, and they want to take that lid off.

So your entire income would be subject to 700%, which would be the greatest tax rate in history.

Yeah.

And this is at a time when Joe Biden remembers all he raised income tax.

I think this top

37, 8% or something went up to almost 40%.

So you look at, you live in California, and if you're a guy making $200,000 or $250,000,

and that's not a lot in California when the average price of a home is $1 million

and gas is $5 and food is 20% higher than anywhere.

And you start looking at 39% of your income federal, 7 to 8%

Social Security, you've got high property taxes of assessed valuation, and you've got a state income tax of 13.2.

and then you're going to do what?

Go higher.

So it's going to,

I don't know what the answer is, but

it has to be to go through that program and

to really look at the number of people who are getting it and seeing to what degree that it was way beyond what was intended.

Because

you just.

It's just not going to function.

And we are, you know,

the thing I don't understand about the Democrats is that I think had we had legal-only immigration, we would be getting a quarter million right now, very technically trained people from Latin America, from Europe, from Asia, that would come in, and they wouldn't be completely self-supporting like the idea of modern immigration was.

But when you bring in the poorest of the poor of the poor from south of the border, I can tell you, as living in a community,

and I was just came out of the local

emergency room with this anaphylaxis.

I'd say 99% of the people there were not English speaking

and had a lot of morbidities, visible morbidity.

One out of every three people in California who goes into a hospital for any reasons is found out to have diabetes.

Diabetes, right?

Yeah.

And so, and according to the United Nations, obesity,

the country with the greatest

percentage of obese people is Mexico, not the United States.

So we're bringing in a lot of people.

I think that's dispassionately

the left's mantra was, well, we're going to bring in all these young people and they're going to have to take care of these old, decrepit white people.

Well,

if you start to look at obesity and COVID deaths and...

obesity, I don't think so.

I think that community that's coming in is not going to be as healthy as everybody says.

I know a lot of people in my hometown that are in their 30s or 40s, and they suffer from severe diabetes, severe diabetes.

So

I just look at this program and I think, wow, I don't know what we're going to do about it.

But this idea, we're just going to keep adding more and more people who are recipients, and then we're just going to tax and tax this dwindling number of people.

Or we're going to, uh something's got to give and nobody can say it

because you'll be demagogued and your career is over with

look at france they're riding in the street just about raising right iron men right where we are

yeah that's the other thing you can't you know even though it's a dwindling uh worker class um you i don't know how you could be a um there's another thing an iron worker and work for

until you're 70 or 75 you can't i mean certain jobs you just have to retire at a certain age, right?

And I can tell you right now, in California and a lot of the immigrant communities,

there are billions of dollars that are not taxed.

So what I mean by that is where I live and I go to the store and people pay either two ways with cash.

or with an EBT card or a WIC card.

And you can go, as I said on an earlier podcast, three miles from my home, there's going to be five to 10,000 people on a Sunday morning buying everything for cash.

There's no taxes collected.

There's nothing.

It's the biggest swap means.

I don't mean used clothes.

I'm talking about brand new stuff that comes out of warehouses.

I don't know how it's there.

And then

on my avenue, and when I make a left turn on the way to town, I would say there's at least five

portable kitchens with food on both sides of the road.

There's There's a nursery.

There was a daycare center.

There was even a homemade barbershop.

And I'm saying that all of that commerce is on tap.

And when you ask people to work, hey, I've got an older home.

Could I get plumbing?

Could I get electricity work?

The number of people who are licensed contractors that you call and they'll say, no, I can't come out.

I'm too busy.

And then you look for a light, and then somebody will call you back and say, well, I'm a licensed contractor and I work with a company that you did, and I will work on the weekends.

But I want cash.

I want cash.

And that's, that's,

and you know, you don't want to do that because you're undermining the system.

Everybody's, yeah.

So the whole black market economy is getting huge.

And that's another thing that when we don't have enough revenue, it's because they're not being taxed.

When he says 88,000 IRS agents, I don't think he's going to go after the very wealthy, and I don't think he's going to go after the very poor.

He's going to target the middle-class person that keeps records.

And that's going to be the local plumbing supply business.

It's going to be the used car sales lot.

It's anybody that follows the rules is going to be really

you kept you kept records.

You're what a fool, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Hey, Victor, we're going to delve into American history and the forthcoming 250th anniversary of this great republic, and like to get your views on the quote-unquote official way we seem looks like we're going to be celebrating.

We'll get your thoughts on that, Victor, right after these important messages.

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So Victor, on our previous podcast, which came out on the 18th, mentioned the anniversary of the 18th of April and the battles of Lexington and Concord.

And it puts one in mind, oh my God, that was 247 years ago.

We are about to celebrate America's semi-quincentennial, the 250th birthday of this great republic.

I wonder if there is an official,

congressionally approved, sanctioned institution to put on the celebration.

There is.

It became law in 2016.

I think one of the late Obama was still president, but he signed the Congress, passed the legislation, signed it.

There's a thing called

America 250.

You can imagine what that's going to be like.

Well, yeah.

So

I have visited it and, okay, I'm wondering, well, are they going to be talking about Lexington?

Are they going to be talking about Concord?

Are they going to talk about Ben Franklin?

Talking about slavery and racism and discrimination and what an awful country.

But because they can't be entirely nihilistic, they're going to say, but thanks to i.e.

us, it's still, because we're going to run the country.

It's still, you know, they become very patriotic when they're in power.

Remember that.

They trash the country.

They trash the country.

They trash the country.

Then they take power and they say, why can't we all get along and unite behind us?

That's what they do.

And so that's where they are.

Yeah, I'm looking.

I can't even conceive what it's going to be like.

Well, let me just quickly, this is the, they have a website and they have a section called stories.

So these are the most recent stories they've put up.

The women faces behind America's 250, Recognizing Women's History Month, letter from the chair on Black History Month.

I didn't know this.

You just introduced it.

I didn't read it, so

I just expected this, but it sounds even worse than my imagination.

Yeah, well, here's another Native community stories and honoring native culture.

And then Warren Harding's children.

What the F does that have to do with

1776, the story of Warren Harding, America's 29th president, and his unacknowledged child.

Black Business Month.

Look, I don't want to get a lot of seeming race here, but there's nothing those of us who lived through and happily celebrated the bicentennial victor, I was all into that

teenage

sailing ships.

Remember that?

Yeah.

Oh,

it was wonderful.

It was a great celebration of America.

And nobody thought about it in any Democrat, Republican kind of way.

But this is a woke oops show.

Anyway.

I know.

I don't know.

I don't know what these people are thinking.

Do they really think that the United States is so wealthy, it's so militarily

strong?

It has such internal unity that it has a mandate to be like the Byzantines and exist for 1,120 years.

Is that what we think we can do?

Because I don't see it.

I see we're on a mark, we have on the razor's edge and there's no margin of error, and we're disunited.

The military is not dependable anymore.

The universities,

enough said, they're completely ideological and they're not run by merit.

And we're going to see mediocrity institutionalized.

The big cities are sort of wastelands.

The crime is depending on your ideology.

Whether you're going to be indicted or not depends on your politics.

And we have no southern border.

It's not that we have a border problem.

There is no border.

It doesn't exist.

You come and go.

You fly in from London, you leave your passport, you come into SFO or JFK, they take you and you're in trouble.

if you don't have a passport.

But cross the southern border, cross the northern border and out of check.

If you don't have idea, you're in trouble, but not the southern border.

That's a political decision, ideological.

So I don't see

why you would want to encourage these fissures or widen

these antitheses or these antagonisms the way that this does.

And I don't know.

I don't quite understand.

We're going to be

disunited.

We're going to say how awful, awful, awful we are because we're going to celebrate how wonderful we are.

That's sort of like waving the pride flag

from the Kabul Embassy while you have George Floyd Myrtles all on the walls of streets in Kabul while you're teaching gender studies at the University of Kabul, while you're fleeing and turning over $50 billion to terrorists.

That's where it ends up, ultimately.

So you will remember, because you were involved, the first thing President Joe Biden did

was to rescind rescind the executive order that Donald Trump signed that created the 1776

Commission, which you were part of.

Which would have been

the ideal thing to inform the weeks.

We were fired in two weeks.

Yeah.

So

I have the, I was on the American

Battle Monuments Commission.

And Obama, as soon as he got elected, fired me.

And I hadn't done anything wrong, but I guess, and, you know, I look back and Republican presidents didn't really do that.

They didn't really remove Trump.

Didn't.

He kept those people at the Department of Justice and

that bald little weirdo, nasty SOB who was running the IRS, Kotkin, or something like that.

Didn't stay on for like eight months.

How about Rod Rosenstein?

Yeah.

And all of them.

And so.

And James Comey.

Sorry.

So

didn't mean to make fun of bald people.

I'm sorry.

Yeah.

Be careful.

So, yes.

Yeah, I mean,

there's only a, you can only do this so long.

You can only say we're not going to teach civics in America.

We're not going to salute the flag.

Colin Kaepernick's right.

This is an awful country.

Michelle Obama's right.

I've never been proud of my country until they nominated Bara.

They always set the bar too high.

It's a downright mean country.

Obama.

This is the police are completely out of control.

Everybody knows that.

Trayvon's the son that looks like me.

I never had.

You can keep doing that, but at some point

it doesn't work any longer.

People say, okay, maybe you're right.

So screw it.

It's all over with.

But that's what they're pushing.

And then they get in power and they say, this January 6th, people were insurrectionists.

They were armed.

I just heard that, a major politician say that the other day.

They went into the Capitol armed.

It was on TV.

I thought, no, they didn't.

It was a buffoonish, bad thing to do to desecrate the Capitol by going in there.

But some of them were just walking around.

There were no armed people in the Capitol.

It was no different than what the people went in to

the Tennessee legislature with a bullhorn and hijacked the proceedings.

And the left said, well, they had their voice was denied.

They weren't allowed to speak.

Or the people, the trans community was hurt at Stanford.

He was rude.

Or that's what the San Francisco state.

So it can contextualize all they want, but the more they divide and don't follow the Constitution and

ideologically weaponize the justice system, it's not going to work.

It's just not going to work.

Well,

let's keep on that theme of

ideologizing the

the criminal justice system or the justice system, because this is in your state, Victor,

the infamous DA of Los Angeles, Gascon, who

dodged

a recall,

but

he is the,

was he recalled as the, or forced out in San Francisco?

But right now, he is going after police officers, a former police officer himself, right?

And there are a few cops in LA who were exonerated several years ago from a shooting.

They pulled some guy over, and I think the town, I think it was in Torrance, not sure exactly, but

the guy had a gun, turned out to be a pellet gun, but he was shot.

He said, put your hands up,

get your hands, and he put his hands down towards the gun.

He was shot.

These two cops were, it was a justified shooting.

Four years later,

D.A.

Gascon wants their scalps.

Your thoughts, Victor?

Well, my thought is: if you're going to take out the king, don't wound him.

So if you're going to recall George

Gascon, and they did, and they got close, but of course,

the LA City government suddenly found something they called voter integrity, and suddenly they just started to throw names off the list.

I wish they had done that, the same scrutiny in the last election.

But once he realized that it's probably only a matter of time they're going to recall him, then he thought, I'm going to have a legacy of destroying destroying jurisprudence in Los Angeles County.

And so he went back and he promised he would do that.

He went back through all of the records of

district attorneys'

opinions and decisions not to prosecute people who thorough investigations had showed they were not culpable.

And when he went through those cases, he made a distinction, a Manichean distinction.

He said, are these people

victimizers?

Are they victims?

I.e.,

he wanted to know whether what were the ideological ramifications of all this?

And he came down with the idea that if you were a police officer and you shot somebody in the line of duty and you were investigated and you were exonerated, you were not going to be exonerated because that's de facto, you're guilty.

And that's what he's done.

And I don't think he'll find a jury in Los Angeles County that will convict them, but who knows?

But that's not the point.

The point is, he's sending a message.

He's saying, You want to recall me?

This is what you're going to get.

And listen, I'm not going to be a coward at all.

I'm going to really change Los Angeles.

And he has helped change Los Angeles.

I just suggest anybody drive down at about two o'clock on a weekday into Los Angeles, downtown LA.

And what was once a bustling, cram-fact-packed place was

bistros.

Everything was

rents were full.

Rents were high.

Stores were full.

You go down there, it looks like the day the earth stood still.

There's nothing there.

And there's nobody going in there.

And the streets are filthy, dirty.

There's homeless people everywhere.

And there's a lot of people peddling stuff.

off the books.

You can buy pedaled food, pedal belts, pedaled trinkets, but it's not Los Angeles.

That's the city that he's helped create, and it's not safe.

It is not safe.

And again, it's not just it's not safe.

It's not safe in the sense that if you are a bumbling guy from Fresno and you just happen to want to go down to Los Angeles to do business downtown and you park your car in a parking garage

and you're walking on the street and somebody comes up and hits you over the head and takes your wallet, and then you get back in your car and it's broken down, they're not going to do anything.

No.

Yeah.

And if you attacked, if you club the guy who was was trying to attack you, you'd be arrested.

Yeah, you don't dare do that.

That's the whole point.

And that's what ideology has done.

That's when you ruin it.

That's what Venezuela, that was what Cuba did.

The first thing Castro did when he took power was to go look at the penal code and put these revolutionary justices in and go after people they felt were counter-revolutionary.

That's what our justice system is.

That's why I have almost zero patience with the never-Trump people.

And I'm sorry, if you're listening and you were a conservative and you decided that because you have superior morality to everybody, you just were not going to vote for Donald Trump or you voted for Joe Biden.

You shouldn't have done that because not only is the economy wrecked and the border wrecked and the jurisprudence wrecked and we've got stuff like Afghanistan and this blank check in Ukraine, but

even worse than that is the judicial appointments.

And Biden's made a lot of them.

And that's the point.

He's going to change the entire, he's going to undo all of what Trump did in four years with good justices.

So instead of having a Judge Duncan who is trying to be polite and go to

a federal society and talk to a liberal audience, you're going to have a liberal judge who's going to go to a liberal audience and pander to them and be even more radical.

And that liberal judge would never do what Judge Duncan did.

You'll never see a liberal judge say, I'd like to hear what the other side has to say.

I'm going to go to Hillsdale College just to hear what they say.

It's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen.

And so

that's why I get really upset about the Neuro-Trumpers, because these were people who claimed their entire lives they were conservatives.

They wanted smaller government.

They wanted deregulation.

They wanted reduced taxes.

They wanted a secure border.

They wanted American civics program.

They wanted a muscular Pentagon that put as its first priority battlefield efficiency.

And then they deliberately either voted for somebody or empowered them by not voting, who was the antithesis of everything they stood their entire life on the pretext that Donald Trump was,

what,

extra legal, he was violating things.

And then when you look at what happened to him with two impeachments, tried him as a private citizen, raided his house after he left office, destroyed the country almost with 40 million dollars 22 months of a complete hoax that was con basically concocted by hillary clinton called collusion hid the laptop for

a year and passed it off and we're gonna we're gonna say that donald trump's tweets endanger the republic you've said this before this is what you've said about like peter strzok's comments about the walmart shoppers absolutely

i don't what is the motivating factor What's the motivating factor?

I could smell it.

They didn't want to be associated with those.

Remember that?

I went into Walmart.

I could smell them there.

And then there was that CNN guy, Caputo, was that his name?

He said, I'm at

a mega rally.

I think I got more teeth than anybody here.

And then there was Joe Biden.

He called them the dregs.

Remember that?

He called them the dregs.

And then there was chumps, too, chumps.

And then there was the irredeemables and deplorables.

And then, of course, the miner starter at all, Barack Obama, the Klingers.

And

that was the vocabulary they created.

And that was all thinly disguised racism.

It was thinly disguised.

It was basically saying that there's only a few good white people, and they live on the coast, and they're very, very wealthy, and they're very affluent, and they've got designer taste.

And they buy the right cars.

They have the right type of kitchens.

They go to the right places on their vacation.

and they have the right type of friends, and they have money to exclude them from the ramifications of the damage they've done by their policies.

And then there's the people who live in Bakersfield, or they live in Coldwater, Michigan, or they live somewhere in Des Moines, Iowa.

And these people, these people are the problem with the country, and they're creepy.

We don't like them.

Right.

Please do not associate me with those people.

That is the driving motive for a lot of the networks.

If you're one of those people, like Kyle Wittenhouse, and

you find yourself, you have a gun and somebody's trying to kill you, and you shoot back, you're all done.

That's it.

They'll try to ruin your.

If you're the Covington kids and you're just sightseeing, you have a MAGA hat on, and some guy gets in your face and tries to intimidate you who's a professional provocateur, you're all done.

If you're the Duke La Crosse people and you are stupid enough to have a stripper come to you, you're all done.

So there's no margin of error.

And

just remember that.

If you're this policeman in Los Angeles

and you pull over somebody and you see a gun between his legs, a barrel, and you tell him to get out and he seems to reach for it.

And you shoot him, you're all done.

What you're supposed to do is say to yourself,

99 times out of 100, a person with a gun, a rifle barrel between his legs, it's probably a high-powered rifle.

But there might be 1% where it's a pellet gun.

And therefore, if he pulls out the gun, he can shoot me because the pellet gun, if it doesn't hit my heart or brain, won't kill me.

So therefore, I'm not going to take preemptive action.

That's what you're supposed to do for a cop, according to Guest Gone.

And if a couple of cops die that way, well,

this guy had a lengthy felony record, lengthy felony record when he was pulled over.

And so

well,

the cop that shot Michael Brown in Florence should have been, the guy was going to kill him and he should have been killed.

Even though he shot

him.

He justified.

He saved his own life.

This was a man who he was called.

Why was he called there in the first place?

Because the guy went in and strong-armed a clerk and said, I'm taking this and stole right out, just flat out stole tobacco, I think it was, and something else.

Then he walked right down the middle of the street, like, what are you going to do to me?

And he pulled him over.

Then he attacked the policeman and wrestled with him.

And then the policeman somehow, I guess, kept his weapon.

And then Michael Brown turned and charged.

And somehow that became hands up, don't shoot, shot in the back.

And that was on CNN when the entire newsroom, remember that, put their hands up and they walked out.

Yes.

And so that was a complete lie, complete lie.

Just like the diminutive 12-year-old, ideal Trayvon Martin that was attacked by a white Hispanic

was a complete lie.

And

George Zimmerman's face was photoshopped.

The 9-1

tape was edited to make him look racist.

And then we were told that he's really got a Germanic name, that his mother is not really Mesa from Peru.

And his mistake was he should have just said, you know what?

My name is not George, it's Jorge.

And my name is not some Nazi-sounding Zimmerman.

It is Mesa, my mother's name.

And my name is Jorge Mesa.

Mesa.

And this is, I feel as a person of color, I was attacked.

And he would have been fine.

Beto Rourke can pull this off.

I can't in authentic.

Beto Rohr.

That's a good example.

Beto, who is a spoiled, rotten, wealthy white kid who invents a Hispanic identity, runs on the Hispanic persona against Ted Cruz, who was born, what, Theodoro or something, Cruz, and he wants to anglicize his name because he wants to assimilate.

So we got Ted, who is a Hispanic, who has fully assimilated versus...

who came as an immigrant versus Beto, and Beto's running as Hispanic candidate, and Ted the non-Hispanic candidate, only in America.

Amen.

Hey, Victor, we have time for one more topic, and that'll be.

I hope we can handle it quickly, and that's about some just crazy, crazy attempts to hand money over to Red China by the Michigan legislature.

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Victor, crazy in Michigan, the state legislature,

controlled by Democrats, wants to give,

I saw a number of $600 million

to Chinese-owned companies, which means

to the Red China government

money to establish factories in Michigan, which seems to, from some news accounts, has created

fury among the residents.

Like, what the hell are we giving this money to Communist China for?

I don't understand.

I don't understand because one of them was, wasn't it a $2.3 billion battery plant, Godian or something?

I don't understand this.

We have, on the one hand, that Joe Biden is trying to mandate that we all buy electric cars.

And then, on the other hand, the precious rare metals that are necessary for these lithium batteries are found in China, Australia, and basically the United States.

And we have more probably than the others combined.

And yet

he won't mine them.

And so then we're going to, what, invite a Chinese company to come into Michigan and subsidize it for jobs to create batteries that are going to supply mostly probably the Chinese market or maybe ours, but the profits will go to China.

What is so hard about just saying, you know what?

If we want to have electric cars, we're going to mine

the minerals necessary to create batteries.

We're going to make the plant that creates the batteries to sell to Americans.

They can't do that.

These crazy green people, they always mandate the end result, not the process of getting there.

Oh, we're going to have high-speed rail.

Theat, okay.

Well, how are we going to do it?

We're going, oh, by the way, we're going to have electric cars, but we don't, we're not going to let you mine.

So we're going to get the Chinese to come in here because they know how to do it better than we do.

That is just absolutely insane.

Have you driven your car,

your electric car, long distances?

Or you just think that I just,

I can only drive it locally because otherwise I'll.

No, my wife wife wanted it.

And so she has a 75-mile commute.

And I agreed to buy it because I like Elon Musk.

And I bought it at the worst time

in December.

I was on a year waiting list, and all of a sudden they said you can get it in December.

I was a little upset because there was a rush to deliver it in December, and then I didn't realize that there was a big discount in January where they knocked off $4,000 or $5,000.

But I didn't, you know, so I had to waited.

But anyway, she drives 35 miles to Fresno and 35 miles back, and she runs errands for us on the farm because, you know, they've got everything in Fresno.

She goes to the store.

So I would imagine she puts about 115 miles each day.

And she comes by, and I have the 220, and she just drives right up.

to the side of the garage and she plugs it in and it runs wonderfully.

They haven't had one thing wrong.

It's got about 8,000 miles, no problem, no maintenance.

It's got a faster acceleration than a Carvet.

It does.

It's scary.

I bet you it could beat a Shelby Mustang at 0 to 60.

It's just, it's a Y-class.

It's got the extra long batteries.

It says it can go 330 miles.

I don't think that's true because.

Well, I think that's my point.

Like, would you drive to Los Angeles in that car from where you live?

No, no, because I know what will happen.

What they say

the battery

distance is and what you're actually going to get unless you're a complete, perfect Tesla driver is about 20%.

So if she goes down the 99 and there's a slow person, as there always is, in the right lane, and there's a

maniac truck guy driving in the middle lane, and she's got to go around and accelerate, decelerate, stop and go.

She's going to get, if it says that it's 100 mile

charge on the battery left, she'll get 80.

At 80, you better be very careful.

20 less.

So it says 330.

I would imagine, and you don't want to charge it all the way up, supposedly, unless you're taking long trips.

So I would imagine that.

If I charge it to the max to 330, Los Angeles is 201 miles from my house, but you've got to go up to almost 5,500 feet over the grapevine.

I would imagine, and it's going to be hot.

I would imagine that if I got to Los Angeles, it would be almost gone.

And

the only

Tesla chargers are better.

Yeah.

And the one that I have that is a 220,

I think you can charge the entire car in four and a half hours.

But they have some new ones.

Supposedly, you can go in and charge them in 30 or 40 minutes.

And we're lucky that this town that I live next to is a Tesla supercharging place.

And there's about 20 of them.

So if I were to go shopping,

it doesn't do me any good because I can charge it at home.

But

there are some on the way to Los Angeles.

So what I would do if I took it to Los Angeles would be that I take my little 110 that I think does three miles an hour, three mile an hour.

And I don't know where I'd plug it in if I was staying at a hotel, but I would, and they have a big problem with theft.

People go right to the charging stations because people, you know, will leave them there three or four hours.

And there's a big fine if you leave them, I think, more than they're charged.

Here in the valley, nobody uses them because there's not very many Teslas.

When I go to work at Mineral Park or Palo Alto, they're just packed.

Everybody's got a Tesla.

But they're a wonderful car for a daily commute.

And

I'm saying that with full cognizance that some of you are going to say, listen, Victor, for the amount you paid for the Tesla, you could have got a Honda Civic

that would have been much cheaper, and that will never pay off.

That's exactly right.

I'm pretty sure.

I'm confident that's true.

My wife likes it only because it's very safe.

All the records show it's a very safe car.

It's got, I think, four airbags, you know, it's got front and dual sides.

The shell is sort of cast rather than just riveted.

I mean, it's it's like a little capsule.

So, if you got in the wreck, it's very fast and it's very reliable so far.

But

it's not economical in the sense that you're saving all this money by not buying.

I think her bill was about $100

a week.

And so she's probably,

you know, we paid it, I think, somewhere around

six months.

And so I suppose

it was $400.

So for $2,400, we've saved in gas.

I probably have $400 in my crispy.

Say I save $2,000.

I'll have to say $4,000 a year, maybe.

And I think that I'd have to have no maintenance problems at all and go for about five years and save $20,000 before

it would be a better deal than a comparable car that might have been $20,000 cheaper.

But if I were to go to LA, I'd have to

look at maps you know what i mean yeah i would just have to look at maps and say here's where i'm going to eat

uh i could go amazing

station there yeah right yeah i could go i could go

for me to go to work i don't even take it to work because i have 200 miles one way and it's very hard to find a charging station and my apartment doesn't have 220.

so i'd have to what i would have to do is drive 80 miles a little bit to the south to john harris the harris ranch he's a great guy, wonderful farmer.

He's got a big,

everybody knows the Harris Ranch beef.

Right.

He's terrific.

Yeah, I love John.

Good man.

John and Carol Harris are wonderful people.

And I would go out there and I would get one of those premier beautiful steak dinners, you know?

Yes, I've had one.

And I would charge my 75 miles to get out there.

And then I would start again with 3:30 to get to Palo Alto.

And then either I would park the car and take a cord out the window of my apartment and do you know 24 hours,

a 24-hour charge, and that would give me 75 miles.

Oh my gosh.

And then I could do it.

But I just don't.

I don't.

I've seen, I've seen, and it's not, you know, there's certain rules how you just don't, you have to tow them a particular way.

And I think you have to get a particular tow driver.

You can't.

Oh, my God.

It's, it's, but I, that being said, if you've got a 70 to 150 mile daily commute,

it's a wonderful car.

Well, Mrs.

Hansen is a great lady and she can do whatever she wants.

So that's

her.

She loves it.

She loves Elon Musk.

And she not, I should say, I like Elon Musk.

She really admires him.

So not only did she insist on a Tesla, she wanted Starlink.

So we have.

a backup

a backup internet out here in the middle of nowhere nowhere.

Starlink, I don't think it's quite as good as the Verizon through the phone, but she loves it.

And she has her little antenna upstairs on the balcony for Elon Musk.

And then she tells me, Did you see how Elon Musk destroyed that BBC interviewer?

Yeah.

And she likes him.

Well, good.

You got to get him on this show.

I think that would be a great episode for you.

I admire anybody who's a 19th-century person that can go out and build things.

This guy built a space company,

a tunneling company.

He created Tesla when everybody thought that electric cars were not viable.

And

he saved Twitter.

He not only saved Twitter, but he revealed what the cesspool, which is Silicon Valley left-wing censorship and the FBI's involvement.

You know, that came out today, Victor, on that?

And I know you don't send messages, private messages via Twitter, but the government had access to

all that also.

So it's not only that Jack Fowler posts something on Twitter, watch, you know, listen to the Victor Davis Hansen, that I would send a message to somebody else I knew, like Megan Kelly, right?

I would send her,

but they knew that.

They had access to that.

Like, what?

I bet.

I bet.

I'm going to, I don't understand Twitter, but I have a daughter who

has a disabled child, so she has to be home.

And she's convinced me, she's going to, she wants me to send her things and she's going to translate them into Twitteres and post them.

So I'm going to start.

I've done that a little bit.

So she's going to do that.

I like that.

I like seeing Victor

engaged.

I'm going to try to do that.

She's very busy because her child is Lila is very disabled, but she's going to try to do that to help out.

Yeah.

Well, we've come to

the point where we must end this happy little episode.

And we thank our listeners,

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It's titled Dr.

Kway.

Thank you.

Excellent interview.

Exclamation point.

I know I said that at the end of a recent podcast.

I'll say it again.

That was something everyone must find, that interview between Victor and Dr.

Kway and listen to.

Just so powerful.

So troubling also.

What continues to go on in the name of biology and medicine.

Victor, thanks for everything you, oh, the wisdom you shared today.

Thanks, folks, for listening.

And we will be back soon with another episode of the Victor Davis Hanson Show.

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Thank you, everybody, for listening.

We'll see you next time.