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I must say the only thing I know about cryptocurrency is I've heard of the word.

I don't think I have any.

I don't oppose it in any way.

I can't, why should I oppose it?

I don't know anything about it, really.

But damn, a lot of people know about it and have put billions and billions and billions of dollars into it.

And one company that was a sort of premier in this field, FTX,

founded by and run by this sloppy-looking

character, Sam Bankman-Freed.

We've seen pictures all over the web, him sitting at some, you know, some event with Bill Clinton and Tony Blair at his side.

And they're, you know, in suits or or decently dressed.

And this guy looks like he

slept in a dumpster the night before.

Anyway,

he was the biggest, the second biggest donor to the Democratic Party after George Soros.

And hey, his company has,

it seems like a Ponzi scheme.

It's blown up.

Billions have been lost.

The evidence for this should have been obvious, right, Victor?

Quite a while ago by the Security Exchange Commission.

But was the Biden SEC going to go after one of their bigger donors?

He's in hiding, not in hiding, but he's in the Bahamas right now.

God knows what's going to transpire between when we're recording and Thanksgiving Day.

But Victor, it's a big mess.

It's got a lot of political ramifications.

And what are your thoughts?

Well, I mean, people have argued that of the $40 billion

worth, and I think there's only, I don't know, $12 or $11 million in the money.

The rest is theoretical money.

That there might have been a million people that could, you know, gave $1,000, $1,500, and bought squared.

But the point is, he did a lot of damage to a lot of people, a lot of institutions.

And he papered over that with this idea that he would amount to,

this was alchemy.

And he gave Joe Biden $5 million.

Maxine Waters, he probably was the only white man which he ever liked.

But he was spreading the cash around all over.

It's exactly what Molly Wall and her friend said.

He wrecked him just wonderful, how they,

you know, a collusion between the Silicon Valley and the company's social media and big

money and the DNC stuff.

What did the guy do?

Did he go out and

was he a contractor?

Did he put changes on a roof?

Did he build a car in Detroit?

No, he didn't do anything.

He just created this idea that he had this coin and the radius currency was taking value and we should be back to him.

And then he and his girlfriend followed amorous friends siphoned off,

I guess, a billion or two, but probably more Jack because he don't normally do 11 billion men.

The auditor came out in law and said,

It's now on the job.

He said it's the biggest mess he's ever seen.

And record-keeping and the messaging that he didn't normally

vanish by death with Instagram and those types of that.

And who was he?

I mean, I mentioned this earlier.

He was a kid who grew up on the Stanford campus.

Parents are very well known.

He was active as law professors at Stanford, India.

And he went to a very exclusive Hillsborough nearby Prep School.

He was packed off to MIT and he did his

work quite well.

He's not particularly, I think he went to the University of Green and then

he kind of stormed the country by

when he was priming school.

People gave him leave and he decided to talk to us about

company.

And then you started quite wisely

if you had no moral compass.

By the way,

how do you not have a moral compass?

If you grew up at Stanford, in the Stanford moral community, and you went to Hillsborough Pep School, went to one of the finest universities.

This is is what we were told is the incubator, the embryo of high morality.

And suddenly, this guy really destroyed a lot of people, but he got immunity by

funding.

I think if you look at the 2020 race, and he did give, I think, something in 2018, and we know he gave 40 to 60 million in 2020.

He probably

gave folks to $100 million, but it wasn't for what he gave.

It's what he said he was going to promise to give.

I mean, one to four or five billion dollars.

You know, he was one of the good people who was going to go to do good things with their good money and do good for himself, and it turned out really bad for everybody else.

And

it brings up this

larger question that I mentioned with Samuel, that

it's eerie that this modus authorande of what the left does now, this

fusion with big, big money, and for all of the, Elizabeth Warren the same week was just harping and screaming about public authority and the wealthy and the wealthy.

This is the ex-house flipper herself.

And she was, I mean, she didn't say a word about this guy.

She didn't say a word about George Soro.

She didn't say a word about Mark Zuckerberg's 1400.

They don't even mention the Koch brothers for two reasons.

Koch brothers were their,

that was their Donald Trump eight and ten years ago.

They hated the Koch brothers because they raised all of this, what they call Jane Meyer wrote a book, you know, dark money.

They were pikers compared to these people.

Pikers, absolutely.

I mean, these chump change channels.

They compared to Zuckerberg's money, one guy, one guy, $419 million.

One guy, George Charles, this little midterm, over $100 million.

This guy, $60 million.

And there's something, because I worked there, I just noticed that I try to listen and watch more than speak when I go up there.

And it's astounding when you think of it.

They all, first of all,

who are these people?

Well, they always have a little,

they have kind of a common touch, or they have a neat little appearance that they cultivate.

For him, it was the Slav.

It was the...

What was the guy on Animal House?

Blukowski, Blukowski.

Oh, my God.

The John Belushi.

He looks like John Belucci.

He drank.

He does, yeah.

Yeah.

And so he had, first of all, he's a capitalist, but he's left-wing.

So you think

he wants to pay as much income tax as Al Gore and John Kerry would have pay income tax.

So

he's esconced down the tax from the Bahamas.

And then he uses money to get girls.

And I don't know what else he was doing, but he's a complete slav.

So he had that thing right.

He had the left-wing politics and he had the visual, the striking visual appearance.

And that's the same thing as Elizabeth Holmes, the architect of the Theranos

Ponzi scheme.

And she's in the news, so let's talk about her just in passing.

Yeah, go ahead, please.

She's going to 11 years in prison.

She not only ripped off $8 billion from investors, but she

disseminated a blood testing device that really either gave false positives or false negatives on the bogus premise that one drop or two drops of blood could give a complete blood count.

And they actually started to use that in some chain pharmacies and some people got hurt by it.

And she did the same thing.

She assembled people on her board that were stellar, Stanford, Bay Area fixtures.

She was a Stanford student.

She was one of the good left-wing people.

She didn't dress like a slob.

She had her own little shtick.

She dressed like Steve Jobs, all in black.

I'd seen her on a couple of events at Stanford.

Very striking young woman in her 20s, blonde hair, dressed in black, Steve Jobs, incarnate, sort of same kind of whiz kid, only she wasn't Steve Jobs.

And she took everybody down with her.

Kind of like Mark Zuckerberg, same thing.

He's lost, I don't know how many billion now.

He's just...

70, I think.

70 billion with his own meta idea, like laying off thousands of people whose lives are going to be changed.

But he sent in 419 million, and he has his stick.

He has his tie-dye shirt, his faded cut off, Sir James, his flip-flops.

But they all have the freaking Roman Emperor haircut.

Yeah, so they all have the little, they have the leftist politics as a veneer that gives them exemption.

They're about as crass and materialistic.

He works for the FBI to help rat people out, you know,

and suppress news.

He's got his mansion, just like all these people do.

And then they're exempt.

The left loves them because

they give money to leftist causes.

And then they, every once in a while, they wink and nod to their right and say, oh, we're free market capitalists.

We're successful.

We're proof that the capitalist system works.

And they play both sides.

But basically, they're people of the left.

And they find ways to captivate the permanent administrative state to get exemption from the DOJ, the IRS, the SEC by showering money on democratic causes, especially green, green, green.

I mentioned this to Sam.

It's just funny.

We mentioned Pelosi.

We mentioned Diane Feinstein.

Thomas Dyer on the Stanford Board of Trustees at one time,

spent, I think, $180 million when he landed for president, didn't get one delegate.

Talk about money, money, money.

And nobody ever wrote, I don't think Jing Meyer wrote another essay about the

deleterious effect of money.

$180 million and didn't get one almost as bad as Bloomberg.

Bloomberg, right.

I don't know if he spent a billion dollars and didn't get one delegate.

Or maybe he did get a delegate.

But he made his money styre by financing dirty coal, I think bituminous coal in places like Indonesia.

And all of a sudden, once you get all the money, just like Al Gore, Al Gore sold his cable news station to fossil fuel exporting gutter and then tried to seal the deal before the new Caplin Gaines Increase came into effect, just like John Kerry moved his yacht to get a

lesson his property tax

bite out of Massachusetts.

So

nobody should take any of these people seriously.

They're complete fakers.

They adopt

this t-shirt slobby or cool chick appearance.

They lavish money and attention on left-wing candidates.

They surround themselves with celebrities.

They're completely selfish and they do people a lot of damage.

They do a lot of damage, whether that's dismantling,

trying to dismantle natural gas and oil or working with the FBI to suppress information or trying to warp an election by absorbing the work of

a registrar, as Mark Zuckerberg's money did, or

endangering people's lives as Elizabeth Holmes did, or just absolutely stealing from people as this guy did, Mr.

Bank McTree.

And you you know,

it's deeply embedded with the Bay Area social cultural hierarchy.

So his parents were very well known as activist lawyers.

And

she was,

his mother, as I said, the Samuel was very prominent in

setting up a kind of,

I don't know what you call it, Doc, an aggregator, where she went to all of her friends in in the Silicon Valley that we

needed back then.

Maybe

Jumpstart and her sons still gotten money.

And she said, you know, we have the expertise to tell you

where your money could be best spent to advance our causes.

And therefore, you should give all of this money to us.

And I guess they would take a cut for their expenses.

And we won't tell anybody because we believe in stealthy dark money privately.

Why publicly we condemn the idea, and

that's what she did.

I thought she was a full-time lost professor.

I didn't mean to be both, but that's what she did.

And

the Non-Diamond wing

that they're not moving.

That was the name of this left-wing

dispersal

we have.

But so it's,

I don't know what to say.

You should think of it as a complete repudiation of the pretense that an Ivy League education,

that is,

you go to Harvard.

That is not an education,

but a branding.

Yeah,

Zuckerberg, you've attended Harvard.

Or if you're homes, you've attended Stanford.

Or if you're banking,

you went to MIT and you went to prep school.

You have

parents, you're on the faculty of Stanford University.

There's not going to be any moral instruction in Taiwan in any of those associations.

None.

None.

And if you think, oh, you're so unused and they don't have to battle burn

and

mind the gap.

I think it's what you win.

That is not a moral institution.

And then the second thing you should remember is they love money.

They like what money can do for them.

They like the culture, the sophistication that comes with money, the zip code.

And they don't like people that don't have money.

That's one of the reasons they don't like the deplorable

feel that they're tasteless.

And they're tasteless

in a way that the poor are not.

They see the poor as romantic.

If the poor doesn't have tastes, it's because they have no choice.

They're homeless or the inner city people.

But they're middle class.

They're aspiring.

They can buy a Club Cat pickup.

They buy a jet ski.

They don't know what they're doing.

They harm the rest of us.

And they're dangerous people.

They're not sophisticated.

They're not exquisite.

And then there's this element of techie, that there is a new element to economic activity, to

industrialization.

It's called high-tech.

It's clean.

It doesn't fluke.

It doesn't have smoke.

It doesn't use muscles.

You're not sweaty.

You kind of go into Twitter and you kind of get a massage.

You get a special kind of vegetation.

But you can't eat it.

Yeah, you can't eat it.

You can't drink it.

You can't drive it.

You can't burn it.

Whenever they go and step out of these tech worlds, Mr.

Bankman or Ms.

Holmes or Mr.

Zuckerberg, then who do they call on?

They call on Joe Deplorable, who comes in and puts the granite counter in the home.

He installs the stainless steel subarctic freezer.

He's the guy who makes the ice cream at the plant for the liver commands and pelosi.

He's the guy

that

make hammers in the wood floors.

He's the guy that puts 80 pounds of shingles on his back and balances along the festive.

That's who they are.

And there's something really wrong about it because we have been, how do we address that?

How do we address that?

I think how will we address it?

We start with the universities and we say, you know what, you're incubators of some very strange people and you give them a currency they don't deserve.

And we don't think you should put tactics in.

We really don't because you're politicizing education.

And you're 93, 95% above core level.

And

you violate the Constitution because you have racial standards that violate the whole corpus of civil rights laws.

You have safe spaces that are racially exclusive.

You can pick your dorm member,

your roommate, in the dorm by their race.

You have something you call a theme house that is a racially segregated dorm report.

So

you violate these statutes.

You don't have equal protection under law.

People who are accused of so-called sexual harassment do not have protections of the First Amendment, the Fourth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, Sixth Amendment.

And so

we're not going to make you tax exempt anymore.

And we're not going to allow student loans, the government's going to get out of the student loan business because we've learned one thing, that once the moral hazard is no longer an issue to you, that you raise your rate

of tuition higher than the rate of inflation each year.

And you don't care about the burden that falls on students.

because the government guarantees a loan.

I need a government.

The taxpayers that you despise do.

And so we're just not going to do that anymore.

And I think people need to do that.

If you're very well off and you've done well and you write a check to these universities and you don't specify what it's used and you don't call back to make sure it was used as you directed,

you're pouring drugs into the bang of an addict.

And it's, I think everybody's got to realize that there's something wrong with this activity, these Ponzi schemes, multi-billionaire,

hit cool people.

And they don't care about the average person.

And they do things that are very destructive.

You know, you hear all this rhetoric.

Stop.

Democracy dies in darkness.

Democracy will fail.

There's nothing more anti-democratic than taking $419 million of your stealth money and sending them into pre-selected precincts so they can hire people that you approve of to go around and vote hard and bring hard ballots.

That's destroying democracy.

Right.

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at the G20,

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So, Victor,

the recent G20 summit, it also seems that parallel, that happening at the same time in places, a B20 or business.

Why when the leaders of these 20 nations gather,

why is Bill Gates there?

And why are all these so many?

Well, I'll tell you why.

And then we want your thoughts.

Klaus Schwab, who's the German economist,

founder of the World Economic Forum, and he was host, well, participating in this conference at the same time.

Victor, I know you've written about him before,

but I think we'd like to get your fuller thoughts.

Let me just say to set our listeners up who may or might not know of him.

Here's what Schwab said the other day

in English, but in his, it's like so grating, like you freaking,

well, I'm not going to say it.

Here's what he said.

What we have to confront is a deep systemic and structural restructuring of our world.

This will take some time and the world will look differently after we have have gone through this transition process.

Let me just read one other quote from him.

The world must act jointly and swiftly to revamp all aspects of our societies and economies, from education to social contracts and working conditions.

Every country from the United States to China must participate and every industry from oil and gas to tech must be transformed.

In short, we need a great reset of capitalism.

We must build entirely new foundations for for our economic and social system.

The level of cooperation and ambition this implies is unprecedented, but it is not some impossible dream.

Who's going to run this whole scheme here, Victor?

Klaus Schrob and

the Bill Gates of the world?

Yeah, no.

A, number one, nobody elected this clown to anything.

He has no...

He has no currency.

He has no authority.

He's never been elected to anything.

So that's number one.

Number two, he wouldn't talk like this in his 20s when he didn't have anything if he didn't have anything.

He's talking about somebody who's very, very wealthy.

And he knows that whatever happens, he's never subject to the consequences of his 90-year.

And so he's not telling that middle-class tire store owner who's out there every day at six in the morning.

selling tires with the hopes that he can buy a home and he can send his kid to college and maybe just maybe buy a boat.

He's not worried about that guy.

That guy is the enemy.

And so that's for these, these are very, very self-centered, narcissistic people.

And what does he want?

He wants no borders.

He wants sort of what George Orwell is talking about with East Asia versus Oceania, just three or just big conglomeration.

And so how that works out in the real world, he loves the EU, but the EU hasn't gone foreign.

I mean, the EU can tell people in Greece, in Crete, that that is not a banana.

It looks like a banana.

It tastes like a banana, but it has to have a certain length and size before you can use it as a banana.

That's how close he means when he says must every aspect.

Nobody's ever elected this person.

He has no idea that he has a very checkered

There's a very checkered record about people like him in the past, whether it's the Robespierre brothers or it's Joseph Stalin or it's Adolf Hitler or it's Mao Zedong.

They all said that they were going to create a fair, equitable, modernistic, advanced society under their aliposcopy.

And they always, and I have another trait, they always act like this, and they always proceed

during a crisis, some type.

For the Robespierre brothers, it was the

French storming of the Bastille, the original effort to get rid of the monarchy or maybe equip it with a constitutional republic, but make a republic.

And they took advantage of that and used it to the left.

For the Bolsheviks, it was World War I.

Without World War I, they would not have come to power.

For the Nazis, it was the Great Depression.

For Mao Zedong, it was the Chinese Civil War.

For him,

as he wrote in his book, COVID it was COVID.

And boy, he was explicit that during this pandemic and this chaos, there's a chance for us to squeeze in or to wiggle through the scene and get power that nobody really thought.

Remember, Hillary Clinton said that this is a, COVID gives us a chance to get uniform health care.

I mean, Gavin Newsom is that COVID gives us a chance to get progressive capitalism.

I think progressive capitalism for Gavin Newsom is

get big loans from the Getty family, and then you forget to pay the income tax on, I mean, the property tax promptly when it's due on one of the big mansions.

But, you know,

there's a really good book out.

I wish everybody would read.

Michael Walsh, who was a former Time

essayist, wrote a book against the Great Lisa, or the edited.

And I wrote the introduction, but I'm not trying to suggest you buy it from me, but there's some wonderful essays in it.

You know, Roger Kimball, Douglas Murray, the late Angelo Codeville, Michael Anton, Conrad Black's got a great one.

And another guy who's really, I think, brilliant is David Golden.

I've always, I mean, he's been critical of me in the past, but he's a very brilliant guy.

And they just destroy this entire idea of a great reset.

Yeah, Victor, it's called

Against the Great Reset: 18 Theses, Contra the New World Order, and you can get it on Amazon.

It's like 22 bucks by Michael Walsh.

Michael did a very good job.

It's just a complete expose of what this is all about.

I mean, and they're not to be underestimated.

They have already, pretty much in Europe, enforced

extra national laws that somebody like Ireland wants to have.

They've really gone after Ireland so that it can now have a cheaper, excuse me, a

smaller capital gains or regulatory climate or tax situation vis-a-vis the other European courts,

countries that would draw in

investment on a multinational corporation.

So remember what they're doing.

They're trying to bully any single nation.

And that's why he's obviously from Germany, the biggest country in the EU.

And they're saying this is going to be a uniform tax code.

This is going to be a uniform regulatory environment.

This is going to be a uniform labor situation.

We're going to have diversity, equity, inclusion on every corporate board in the world.

And we're going to go after any corporation that doesn't meet our standards.

We're going to turn loose boycotts, ostracism, government sanctions.

That's what they want to do.

And what do they ultimately let the goal?

We're all going to live in high-rises.

We're all going to get to work and we're going to go in Orwellian mass transits.

We're like, hey, stone homes outside my avenue.

It's

$15 billion without one

per track for the last 12 years.

We're all going to do that.

And once in a while, we'll have a rideshare with one electric vehicle that we can use on our Sunday afternoon.

And every element of our life is going to be regimented.

What we eat.

And you can really see stars.

My daughter has a home in Santa Cruz, and she's trying to get a permit for remodeling.

There are statutes in that town that

make you

file permits to show that all the building materials are green.

If you're going to use PVC, what type of PVC is it?

What's the environmental impact of drywall?

That kind of stuff.

How do you live in

a state like that?

It's been a long time.

She's still working on it.

It's about a thousand.

The result is it's about $1,000 a square foot to remodel.

But not only the price, then the torture of having to find the

right supplies.

That's

torturing people.

They love torturing people.

It puts enormous onus on contractors and everybody.

It just means that you're going to have more homeless people and less affordable housing.

And so that's what they do.

That's what they represent.

They're wealthy people.

They fly jets, the Davos, they damn people who use fossil fuels.

So, in their way of thinking, one John Kerry that burns seven gallons a minute of fuel is much, much, much needed, but not somebody named Hector Gonzalez who's trying to drive from Salma to Mendota and burns seven gallons maybe the whole day.

And is doing something productive, like driving for 10 hours, a massive tracker to produce food for everybody.

No, that's bad, but not John Kerry.

He must circle the world and jawbone and tell us exactly what to do before he moves his yacht to another birth so he can reduce this capital damage by his operating cap.

These are really bad people, everybody.

They really are.

And they're one world government.

They're old as Alexander the Great's Brotherhood of Man.

They're

as old as the Platonic idea that Socrates, I'm a citizen of the world.

No, you're not, Socrates.

I think Diogenes or Aerites, the first source that cites that, but no, no, you're not a citizen of the world because you should listen to Isocrates.

And he said, the problem with the Persians is that they are obsequious to their superiors and their haughty to their inferiors.

And that's not what a transparent democratic society inculcates.

That's different.

The people who died at Thermopylae were qualitatively different than the subjects of Xeroxes who tried to invade and kill them.

They're not part of one world government.

I think everybody knew about that.

There's a difference.

And maybe we'll get to that point someday, but we're not there now.

And

one world government means you lower the bar all the way down to something like the Muniting Commission in the United Nights, where you have North Korea at some time.

Right.

Yeah, I mean, the only way to have one world government is to be completely oppressed.

There's no way to victor do you have any it makes me think i'm sorry i'm i'm uh calling an audible here but is i'll i'll say brave huxley's brave new world

is there any dystopian novel or writing that because i i i i would encourage folks to try to find dystopian novels and read them to get emotionally boned up for uh

this uh this uh

real enemy we have and world economic forum and others but is there any dystopian novel that you particularly like?

Well, I mean, Soyent Green was based on a novel.

Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 was based on a dystopian idea.

Odwith Stuxie, as you said, Brave in the World, George Orwell, 19.

They all had something in common, and that is,

as 20th century people,

they looked at

the rise of totalitarianism in out of World War II, at first on the right, the socialist right, whether under Muslim or Hitler, and then after

the defeat of those paradigms under Mao and Stalin.

And what the common denominator was that these were not radical movements.

They had,

and Mao, they were

total.

That's what, if you look at the vocabulary of Blausla, that's what he's talking about.

Total.

What do I mean by total?

I'm talking about the way you buy things, what you eat, where you go, how you think.

They want to control every aspect of it.

And you see that, how that, and that really starts in the modern, pre-modern period, the French Revolution, when they renamed the days of the month, the days of the week.

They worshiped the God Reason.

They went out and destroyed the monasteries.

It was ground zero.

I think I mentioned that there was an Oxford book in German I once,

when I was doing my research on the thesis, and it wasn't Cromire, but it was something like that.

And I looked at the publication and it said, three,

three.

And it was published like 1935 or 36.

And his publisher had started the year zero when Adolf Hitler had taken control after the death of Hindenburg, that's vice chancellor.

And that was the beginning.

That was the year zero.

These are year zero people, just like Stalin,

just like Mao.

Mao is the closest example

to a dystopian novel because, I mean,

he had people, Argadafi, Qaddafi, when I went to Libya, I realized that he had banned violins and musical instruments that had bore any trace of colonial infection.

And everybody had to be, destroy these

Italian violins.

Everybody had to be a producer and equal, so they were raising chickens and eggs in the bathtub.

Everybody had to marry a black woman from Africa so you could knight this vision of southern and northern Africa.

And it all turned out really bad.

And so

that's important to remember that

anybody who calls for a total revolution or a great reset, the language always spits them off.

They want to control not just who you vote for or what type of government you have, but they want to control how how you eat, what you wear, where you go.

And that's what you really get with these climate activists, these atheists and agnostics who created this religion and it becomes overwhelming for them.

And the same thing I'm afraid to say is starting to happen with the pangender movement, that it's gone out that not just

if people suffer from the genuine

problem of dysphoria, it's now become a political movement.

And if you're a gay woman and you suggest that

women's sports should not have biological males, then you're an enemy of the people.

J.K.

Lohner becomes an enemy of the people.

So if you're either completely for this totality or

you're a non-person, it should be destroyed.

Or right.

I think the end game is, and we saw this a bit on social media during George Floyd riots.

There's no hiding.

You have to, you just can't, you have to put up an avatar on your Facebook page or your Twitter page that's pro-George Floyd.

You can't not have an opinion.

You have to genuinely reflect.

The first time I went down into Richmond and I went down the avenue with all the statues, they had started to put, I think there's a statue erected of Arthur Ashe, right?

And then I looked at, as a student of the Civil War, I looked at these statues.

And you could make the argument argument that some of them

were die-hard, slave-holding, racist,

but some of the people were problematic.

You know what I mean?

They were tragic figures.

They were good people who fought for a terrible cause.

And yet, when you think back, they demolished all of that.

There was no,

let's make an exemption here or there.

They just went through and blanketly, there's a good article in the City Journal about positioning, about what they did.

And when you start tearing down statues of Cervantes or Frederick Douglass, as the iconoclastic post-George Floyd coppers did, when you start changing the name of streets, you know, and I've said that before, when I go to my office and one day I haven't been there for a while, and Father Jumipi O'Sara Father is erased

now at Stanford Plaza on the presumption that some small little group said that he used corporal punishment when he established the the missions without any other context of who he was, what the missions did for California, what was the purpose, how he suffered.

No, no, they do that.

And that's what's scary because they're trying to redirect the entire past to this particular goal and future.

In the present, they do it in the present, manipulating the past to control the future.

It's paraphrasing what

Orwell does.

But as a general rule, everybody should remember when somebody stands up that I'm going to tear down that statue, I'm going to rename that building,

I'm going to ban that book, left or right, you better be very careful.

Very, very careful.

Yeah, there's no

healing is allowed, no forgiveness is permitted.

It's funny, not funny, but I saw something on Twitter today.

I don't know why it came up, but it was a reunion at Gettysburg of

Confederate and Union soldiers in 1913.

And there was a, you know, the country was a sense of getting beyond, past healing.

And

that whole aspect of

post-Civil War is

important to keep this nation together and to move past.

They have no idea.

They have no idea because they're historically ignorant.

I know and like Ken Burns, you know, but as I've told him personally, he could not make the Civil War movie now.

If he put

Shelby Foote

Foote, right, no way, no way, historian, he put him on there again,

and he allowed Shelby Foote to say as he did, as I remember, if I had been alive at that time, I probably would have fought to protect Tennessee.

That would be banned.

And this whole idea

of, if you go back in Hollywood and you look at the so-called Southerner, and these were written, these movies were made by, in many cases,

immigrants from Germany that were fleeing the Holocaust or

Jewish Americans that came out of Eastern Europe, very liberal people.

But there was this idea in the United States that the overwhelmed South

fought the industrial North and 3 to 5%

of the South held slaves, the sort of gone-with the wind class.

I'm not talking about that

plantationist, but that the poor whites

didn't have the benefits of industrialization or the wealth that was created by Yankee ingenuity or whatever you want to call it.

And they were tragic figures because they were the cannon-fodder that went up against the Superior, outnumbered, they were outnumbered by,

you know, they were the guys that died at the end of the war to sharps and Henry repeating lipels why they were using muskets.

They were the people who were barefooted by the Union Army.

And out of that reality,

you saw Hollywood and Shane.

Remember,

you're a low-down Yankee liar.

Remember, he said that to Jack Franklin.

And John Wayne had the Confederate shirt in the searchers, and he kind of, maybe he woed with Concrell, you don't quite know.

And he's a southerner.

He was in the tech.

I don't know what his relationship was in Texas.

But what I'm getting at is the Southerner in Hollywood and in popular culture was a tragic figure because he fought for the wrong cause and he

was used or something by cosmic forces larger than himself.

Whether it's pure.

You could not, if you were Joan Baez, who took that band song the night they go.

You couldn't play that today.

right but we've just decided to take a whole element of our experience and say every single person who fought for the south was a racist who has to be condemned or James Longstreet got to tear down that guy's statue even though he did not

want to go to the civil war he

he was a Yankee basically after the war but tear it down yeah well we should move on and talk about talk about the day.

The day that today is, well, it's really Saturday the 19th, but I had asked Victor ahead of time if he might share

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Yes.

So, my friend,

and you are my friend.

I'll say something at the end of the show about that.

Yeah, what was it?

You know, I have this Northeast perspective on everything.

I should, of course, I should.

I'm from here, but hey, it's Thanksgiving.

It's cold.

Some people are shoveling snow.

For all I know, in the Central Valley,

and the farms of the Central Valley and the Hanson Farm,

it was a day to celebrate because it's America and Thanksgiving.

But are the crops in, Victor?

Is it a downtime when you're celebrating Thanksgiving?

Yeah, yeah.

It was kind of a,

remember that Thanksgiving

predated Thanksgiving.

It goes back to Roman times.

It was this harvest party.

We always had a harvest party after we got the raising crop in, but Thanksgiving came out of that.

English tradition that you thank people, but it's now fall and you have food for the way that you produce.

But here in the San Joaquin Valley, whether we had deciduous fruits or nuts or

grapes or raisins, they were all in.

But we all, you know, everybody that lived in the farm was trying to be self-sufficient.

So we had grapefruit trees, we had orange trees, we had persimmons.

And

so all of that, and we had our own raisins and things like that were always on the table.

Very strange.

We had a very small house.

I never quite figured it out.

My parents had educated, but they came back and they moved this old 900-square-foot home onto a corner of the farm that had one bedroom, an old ancient kitchen.

My brother still lives there and one living room.

Were you alive when the house moved?

No.

It was just before you were born.

Okay.

It was done right, actually, it was done.

I was born into that house.

It was done during my older brother's birth.

And then

my dad, I mean, they never tore it down.

It was ancient.

It was drafty.

It had terrible wiring.

But then they built, he built himself a three-bedroom square box kind of thing right next to it.

And we had a patio in between.

So when I grew up, we had this 900 square foot, maybe 800 square foot three-bedroom.

And we had a bath, one bath we all shared, the five of us.

And then

you ran through this,

you ran across this lumpy patio, which my dad made from old concrete ditch pipe that was abandoned.

He bought it into the tractor.

We cemented it with rocks.

And then we went into the house where there was the living room and one bathroom and the kitchen.

So we ate our meals in one, then ran across outside to the other.

It was very strange.

But we had this Thanksgiving where in this little tiny house,

My paternal grandfather, who was Swedish, and he was a widow, he was a horsebreaker he was a veteran disabled veteran from world war one and then our family and then my mother's sister and

who died very young like my mother did she died at 49.

she was a community college teacher that my grandfather had mortgaged the how uh ranch and sent her to stanford for in the mba but she'd come back and her husband had worked on the ranch and their two kids are first cousin and then my father had a sister and they brought their three children and then my maternal grandparents were right down the road so i would go down and get picked them up and then my mother's third sister was crippled for life with polio barely moved she's a wonderful very good lila davis and she was a wonderful person and i would go pick her up and put her in the car and we would all go and we would cram in this big table i mean it took the entire

living room and you could hardly move.

And then my dad was this big Swedish guy, you know, 6'4 to 20.

And he'd been a football coach, football player.

He was working at a community college.

He was trying to farm sometimes, some years.

But he was a great cook.

And he self-taught.

His mother had been a very good cook, but he cooked the turkey and did that.

And then my mother was a good, and they made this huge dinner.

I mean, it was just overwhelming.

And then we'd have about 25 people, all of the

relatives.

And then as soon as it started started to get older, my dad would make this big, huge package.

And I would go get in the car and drive over to an 80-year-old great uncle who lived by himself with his wife.

His name was Tango Johnson, cattleman.

And I would deliver it to him.

He was a far-right Republican.

My dad had the greatest sense of humor.

He was an old cunning Democrat.

And he'd say, go take it over to Tango and

have a drink with him, and he'll pour you some good right-wing advice.

And And I would go over there, and this guy was five, six, my grandmother's brother, he had cowboy boots on with a monogram tango,

big Stetson,

and kind of a New Mexican accent.

He was made in Mexico.

And I would give him the food for his wife,

nice wife, they're in their 80s.

And then I had to stay there and have two shots of whiskey with him.

And he'd say, when are you going to be

a good Republican?

And I'm going to make you a Republican.

And you got to get rid of those commie Democrats.

It was so,

nobody, a lot of people didn't like it.

I always got along with him very well.

He was very funny.

Was his real name, Tango, or was that his nickname?

His name was Lankro, but he did the Tango.

And

he had lived in the Depression where I'm living now at my grandparents' farm.

There were 30 people living here.

Anybody who was related to Rhys Davis, my grandfather, in the 30s, he picked up at the train station.

And right now, as I look out the window, there's eight buildings here.

There's a shed, there's a packing house, there's an old,

you know, where the windmill and the water tank was.

There is a barn.

And they were a full of relatives.

He came with nothing from New Mexico with my grandmother.

Right.

19, born in 1900.

And he lived there.

And then he became really prosperous.

He had a brilliant idea.

Only in America could a guy do this.

He came up with the idea that he would operate the local sewer farm, gray water.

So he got a lease for it.

And then he put

the land.

So in those days, they took the solid toxic waste and put it in silos.

And they let the gray water, gray would be what, I guess, it had fecal material, urine, but it was not, it was nitrogen-rich.

And they just let it go out over 600 acres.

And he divided that 600 acres up

into 40-acre parcels, and they had pipelines, and so they would flood one and then the other.

And by the time they went clockwise around

the alfalfa and the grass came like crazy, and then he went in this cattle truck, and he was completely deaf.

So he didn't go to World War I.

He was born in 1900, didn't go to World War II, and he couldn't hear a thing.

And he drove that cattle truck all the way up to Montana and bought calves for nothing and drove it back himself.

His wife went with him and interpreted because he couldn't hear her.

And then he put those cattle, they grow like

crazy on that thick nitrogen gas.

He was getting paid by the town to get rid of the sewer.

He was getting free land to operate the sewer.

He got free

irrigation water.

He got cheap cattle to Montana.

And then, sure enough,

who would ever have thought thought this, that the local slaughter yard was only four miles from him?

He didn't even want to transport, so he took all of his cattle and he got on his horse and he just led them like he was on Red River, right down

right into

the death house.

And he had no overhead and he made a fantastic amount of money.

And when he died, he had adopted people.

You know, none of us were his heirs, but he was very frugal and he ended up with an extraordinary amount of money but he was it was all calculated to spend no money and to be it must have been a hundred percent profit and he was thanks thanksgiving he he had been in an argument with my grandfather years before who knew what it was in the old family lawyer but he wouldn't come over so we delivered we delivered stuff there was actually two or three

care packages my father would give one to us and we would go deliver them to relatives that either were housebound or had

who knows in the 30s or 40s or 50s, they have had.

So, we're going to have to splice this.

So, anyway, I'll just finish.

And one of the people who

we gave a care package to was my uncle, Tango Johnson.

He was named that for his mastery in his use of dancing at Tango.

And

as I said earlier, he was an entrepreneurial genius.

He,

I guess that's the word genius.

People who knew him didn't say that.

I was fond of him, but a lot of people weren't.

But he got the contract to dispose of the wastewater for the local municipality out in the country.

He rented several hundred acres.

He contrived a pipeline system where the white, I guess we call it the gray matter, gray water, gray water,

would drain into 40-acre parcels clockwise.

His alfalfa grew like crazy.

He went and trucked.

He went all the way to Montana by himself.

Sometimes his wife accompanied him.

He was toned.

I mean, it was actually death.

He knocked toned down.

And then he brought young and calves.

They fattened up at a super rate.

And the slaughter yard was on the same avenue.

And he got on his horse and saved the transportation and just took the now fat cattle right into the slaughterhouse, and there was no expense.

So, Uncle Tango must have been loaded.

He was loaded.

He was loaded, and he was very parsimonious, and he never spent a penny.

In fact, he came out once and he found pennies in the house he would pick up, and he would not pay for his garbage.

So he always

would sneak in with, in those days, they didn't have plastic bags, but paper bags full of garbage.

And we would put them in our shared garbage bin.

But, you know, and he was, he also had a deal where the local pound was out there.

So we'd go over there.

And before he would always say to us,

go in there and they're going to be shooting those dogs or gassing them or whatever they do.

Just take whatever you want.

And so we would go, he had a key to it.

So all of our dogs came out of

the pound that was located on his property.

I'm not sure if I'm giving him away.

He's been dead for 20 years, but he lived to be 96.

In his huge cowboy boots, he was about 5'5.

In his hat, it seemed like it was a couple of feet high.

That's in.

He was probably, and he wore shades.

He always had a toothpick or a cigarette in his mouth.

He drank whiskey and he made a lot of money.

He was tight as they could be.

He never spent a penny.

He adopted somebody who who was like 45 of his heir but didn't stop my dad my dad kind of although they were diametrically opposed politically my dad kind of took care of him in the sense that every thanksgiving

delivery service as i said

we had i have

that's what's so sad i i feel sometimes that this new generation has missed that out because

If you look at the data on the two-parent nuclear family, there's a couple of things that are very disturbing.

People People are getting married, as I wrote in the dying citizen, much later.

They're not buying a home until much later, and they're having less than two children.

But when we were growing up,

these nuclear families, all these kids,

there were the three of us, the two of my cousins, my other three.

So there were always eight children running around.

And there were all of these World War II veterans.

My father, the B-29 B-29 guy, my grandfather, the

USAR Argonne gas veteran, my uncle who'd been up in Alaska during the invasion, Japanese invasion of the Aleutians.

And

every once in a while, another relative would come in.

And

it was just

a marathon.

It was my parents got up in the dark and they cooked in this little obsolete kitchen in this little 900-square-foot home.

And these people creped in and they

we had these uh my dad made sawhoard he was a very good carpenter so he had these plywood uh he self-made tables and my mom had these elaborate uh tablecloths that were beautiful and we had this long table and then everybody swarmed in 20 or 30 people

and it was just It went on and on and on.

It went on until eight or nine at night.

It was just an all-day event, people coming in.

I mean, there'd be neighbors that come in, and my dad would be, oh, have some food, sit down.

And it was really something.

And Christmas was even a more extravagant version of that.

And I look at my own family, I didn't keep, I mean, all the people, the young people there were,

it was all predicated on one principle that we were growing up on this.

135-acre farm and like

we were going to combine it with my other grandfather's 45 acres.

And that was a simple experience.

So everybody was involved in it either had worked there or would work there or helped out.

So they had a common purpose.

And they all had the same values.

And it just, you don't see it.

It's gone.

It's disappeared.

It doesn't.

All the people later who dissolved from that nexus, they didn't follow it.

They couldn't.

I have a sister.

A cousin that we consider my sister, but she tried to, and she did a wonderful job for years.

She had an infresno in an urban environment.

She had a beautiful home, and

she inherited her mother's silver and all of the trimmings and the tablecloths, and she had all the recipes.

So she tried to do that, and she invited us.

It worked for a while, but it was overwhelming for her to do that.

Because this was kind of a communal effort.

My parents were the cooks, but we were the delivery boys.

And everybody brought dishes.

And I think that's true of all of us that grew up in that age of the 50s and 60s.

And

something happened, something went wild or

off the tracks in the 70s and then accelerated during the 80s and then was eroded entirely in the 21st century.

It's the world now, pajama boy and life of Julia.

It's not the nuclear family that predominates, extended family.

Very few people are living on a compound or in a house or their mother, their grandparents, there's three generational families.

Ours was.

I have to say, even myself, Victor, I ended up, I lived with my grandmother who lived with her sister, my great aunt and her husband.

And there was always every day that was the

cousins came over and have that kind of experience.

It was the most wonderful thing.

It really was for young people because you had that lore and wisdom of older people.

You learned what arthritis was, you learned what rheumatism was, you learned what glaucoma was, you learned what death and all of these aches and pains.

It really taught you that when you got old, you're just not going to feel great and be older.

Right.

Go through this metamorphosis that these older people went through.

Yeah.

And

I had an aunt that was so

bright.

She lived in the house I'm living in, my house, when I was growing up.

And she never, she couldn't function on her own.

She died here.

But she was so crippled by the effects of polio, and she had gone to the Schriner's hospital and she had 27 operations, breaking.

And those days, they broke a bone to straighten it out.

And of course, it didn't work.

So she was

and she'd always say to us, Victor, Victor, can you just do a somersault for me?

Can you just do a somersault, a cartwheel, cartwheel?

And then she'd say, you know,

I could do that until I think she was four when she died or five.

And so you had all of these smeared stories.

And every once in a while, Bellin would ride his bike from town.

He'd had brain finger in the Philippines and

like brain damage.

But everybody had these families.

And I was thinking about that the other day.

Would they be homeless today?

Is that what would happen?

If,

I mean, I don't think there was a homeless, I mean, there was something called hobos and bums.

Every once in a while, you'd see a guy come, you know, he'd be riding a bike or walking along the rural avenue.

And, you know, he had a sack of clothes, and he'd come in and say, you know,

can I work or can I have some money?

That was very rare.

We had a eucalyptus grove not long ago.

It was called Hobo Jungle, where every once in a while some guys would camp out, but not like this.

And I think the difference is that not just that we closed the mental hospitals after one threw away the Cooper's mask, that was the catalyst for it, but then we each family thought, you know what, I'm just not going to do that.

I'm not going to take care of that family member.

They're too much of a drive.

It's an inconvenience, right?

I can't go out to dinner.

I can't catch a movie.

So Thanksgiving brings back that whole,

it's like looking through a...

I don't know, it's just like looking through a small little window into a whole different world that no longer exists.

And this is important, Jack, because one of the themes of this country right now and its madness is that the past was so bad.

It was all these evil white people.

They were all racist.

They were all sexist.

They're all homophobic.

And

it wasn't true at all.

I mean,

we had guests from the other families that had grown up on a farm, you know,

and they would come from LA and visit sometimes.

And two of them, one was obviously gay, and her partner was gay, and she never married.

She's very attractive.

And she'd come and stay with my grandparents.

And then we'd have Thanksgiving.

I won't, I'll just say their name was Jane because they probably have relatives.

And everybody would say, I'd say, Mom, how come Jane's not married?

Well, because she doesn't want to get married.

And that's enough for you to know.

She doesn't want to get married.

She's a wonderful person.

And it was no big thing, you know what I'm saying?

I'm sure that there was prejudice and all that, but people went around

what they considered a deviation from the norm.

they made allowances for it.

And

it was normal, but completely reduced the past to a caricature, a melodrama of good versus evil.

And it wasn't that way at all.

And yet, the people who have done that have destroyed what was good about the past.

And then in their infinite wisdom,

They're telling us they made things better.

But when I look at the world today and I see

i can tell you in my small little community jack there was never when you went to the drugstore as i discovered uh yesterday there was not uh shavers locked up

there they weren't behind lock and key a little shaver

right a razor and everything else you could you could get some you could get an allergy medication without it being locked up You could buy a hairbrush without it being locked up.

And when you went to the lumber yard,

it wasn't when you picked something up at the lumber yard, you didn't have to look five or six times and see whether a button or switch had been stolen

off a chainsaw or something that you bought.

So that

it's maybe cosmically we're more tolerant, we're more enlightened, but materially in the here and now we're a lesser people.

We really are.

Well, I hope the good Lord

finds that there are 10 people worth saving.

I hope so.

So we don't repeat Sodom and Gomorrah.

But Victor, we're supposed to be upbeat right now.

Yeah, we're going to be upbeat.

We don't want to listen.

We don't want to think about Sam Bankman-Freed.

We don't want to think about Elizabeth Holmes, though I feel bad.

She's going to be aware of that.

Well, Sam Bankman-Freed should have listened to Uncle Tango and earned his money honestly.

Yeah,

whatever a person said about Uncle Tango, when he would point to a cow, he'd say, that cow is $150 in the bank, Victor.

And you better learn the power, the value of a dollar.

I took that cap all the way from Billings, Montana.

And there it is.

And it's fat, and it's my cow.

And that's a big steak that somebody's going to pay me for.

It wasn't cryptocurrency.

You can believe that.

Fever Tango.

Well, Victor,

I just want to say that I'm thankful for many things

because Sharon, my dear wife and kids, and my mom, who's living with me now, and my family, my faith, and still my country.

And I'm especially thankful that you and I are friends.

Same hero.

Well, I'm and

we're really thankful that people will spend their time to listen.

Amen.

Amen.

We're thankful to our listeners.

So I wish you, Victor, and the great

Mrs.

Hansen, who is a phenomenal cook.

I've had the pleasure and share and too of being treated by her generosity and spirit and her culinary skills.

I hope you and yours have a happy Thanksgiving and all our listeners will also.

And we will be back

soon with another episode of the Victor Davis Hansen Show.

God bless.

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