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I didn't even mention manual desks because you have to just move your chair to the way and start cranking a desk to raise it up.

Ain't nobody got time today.

No, we're going to be cranking.

I'm Christine Zeer-Clissette.

I'm Kyra Blackwell.

I'm Rosie Guerin.

And you're listening to The Wire Cutter Show.

Hello, my friends.

Hey there.

I was thinking about this the other day as I got buzzes on buzzes on buzzes from my new Apple Watch telling me to stand up.

That in this new work from home life, and you know, we're in the studio together right now, but we're often at home talking to each other via computer.

I realize I sit so much more than I ever used to.

Ugh, I know.

It is so annoying.

Is that the deal for you guys?

It's like the gift and evil part of modern life is that we can have so much flexibility where we work.

And it's a privilege for sure.

It's a total privilege.

But I also find that I end up getting kind of sucked into a vortex of work for hours and hours and hours where I'm like, did I move?

Have I moved?

Yeah.

And yeah, then I find that I have been sitting for hours and hours and hours.

I actually don't feel this way, you guys.

What's your mindset about getting up and out?

I mean, I don't even have a choice.

My body won't let me sit for that long.

So whenever I have a break between meetings or if I'm, you know, jumping from one article to another, I will take a walk or go drop off my laundry or literally do anything but sit down because I can't do that.

Well, I think you're practicing good daily movement.

But, you know, I think all of us have heard this term.

Sitting is the new smoking, which I'm not actually sure if that's true or not, but it can't be.

But there is a a lot of evidence that sitting too much is not great for us.

Today, we're going to tackle this too much sitting issue straight on.

First, we're going to talk with Molly Mirisham.

She is a senior staff editor at the New York Times on the well desk, and we're going to get into what exactly happens to our bodies when we sit all day long.

I suspect it's not going to be good.

No, I don't think so.

And Molly's also going to help us answer this burning question: is sitting the new smoking?

How bad is it for us?

Because this is Wirecutter, of course, we have to talk about the best gear to help you move more at home.

So, we're also talking with Ariana Vasquez, Wire Cutter's home office writer, to kind of walk us through some home office gear that you can invest in to hit that goal.

Plus, some of our fitness team's best tips for sneaking in movement snacks throughout the day.

I wonder if I wouldn't move more if I just referred to it as a little snack.

Yeah, or like towards a snack.

All right.

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With us now is Molly Mirhishim, a senior staff editor at the New York Times on the Well Desk.

She covers fitness and she's edited a lot of coverage around how bad it is to sit all day.

Molly, welcome to to the show.

Thanks so much for having me.

I'm super curious.

I think a lot of listeners have heard this adage that sitting is the new smoking.

Is sitting all day as bad as smoking cigarettes during the day?

It is not as bad as smoking, but it is true that sitting for long periods of time is pretty bad for your health.

It's been linked to an increased risk for various health problems like heart disease and diabetes.

And then also, just as anybody who's sat all day at a desk knows, it's just really tough on your muscles and joints.

So you're more likely to experience discomfort like hip pain, low back pain, things like that.

My lower back does hurt a lot.

I also feel like we really should be doing this episode standing up.

Why are we sitting up?

Do you know why people use that term though?

Like sitting is the new smoking.

Why do people say that?

Yeah, I think it's because we now at this point have enough evidence that being sedentary for long periods of time can just increase your risk of a number of chronic diseases.

So I think it's the connection between like the way that long periods of sitting affect your metabolism and your circulation.

I think a lot of people know intuitively just because of how it feels to sit for a long time that it's bad for their muscles and joints.

But I think it's surprising to some people that like their circulation is affected and their metabolism is affected and that might put them at risk for chronic disease.

Yeah, I feel like sometimes people forget that we are literal mammals and we're supposed to be outside like hunting,

move.

It's funny too, because so much of it I imagine is psychological too and just how we've evolved over time.

I have a hard time getting myself to stand up and move when I'm at home.

But if I'm on an airplane, I am panicked.

I am like every, you know, 30 minutes, I got to get up.

So I don't know.

It just seems to me like sort of a brain thing too.

Yeah.

I definitely don't think you're alone in that.

One of the physical therapists I was talking to in some of the reporting for this, he brought up that like it's often less his patients who work in an office who have trouble getting up and moving around, but like people who work at home and they just are comfortable in their space and they're just not, they don't have as much room to like walk to their colleague's desk and talk to them.

This is so validating.

This is exactly what I experienced.

Like I feel like when I went from working in an office to working from home, I just noticed this whole difference in how I felt.

I mean, I felt mentally awesome because I was working from home, but physically, I was like, I'm not getting enough movement.

So Molly, I presume that sitting for eight hours straight, not so good.

If you're sitting for a couple hours, what are we talking about there?

Yeah, that's a good question.

I mean, the experts generally recommend that you're getting up at least to stand, even better, to move around a little bit, like every 30 minutes or at least every hour.

So it's not great to be sitting for a couple hours at a time, but the health risks really go up the longer you sit without any kind of interruption.

So a couple hours is definitely better than sitting uninterrupted all day.

Every 30 minutes?

I don't even think I'm doing that.

And I don't like to sit that long.

Yeah, Molly, do you try to get up every 30 minutes?

Do you have like an alarm set motivating yourself to get up and walk?

I don't have an alarm set.

I just naturally feel uncomfortable, I think, when I've been sitting for a long time.

So I do get up.

I don't do like a bunch of exercises during the day, but I will try to stand, just like walk to get a glass of water, move around the floor that my desk is on a little bit, just to get a little bit of movement.

Y'all, this is reminding me of that office episode when they do like the HR training.

And Michael's like, yeah, that's why it's really important to go to the cooler and get your water so you can like chat with your coworkers.

It's like good for your health.

Like, that's actually true.

It is true.

So in 2024, your team published this piece about dead butt syndrome, which sounds like a SpongeBob joke or something.

What is that?

Yes, that is a truly terrible name.

The fun technical term for it is gluteal amnesia.

And it's basically when the muscles in your butt get so weak because you're not using them enough that when you need to use them, they're like slow to activate or slow to turn on.

So, some people actually, when they're sitting for long periods of time, they'll feel like a dull ache in their butt.

But for a lot of people, it kind of shows up in other forms of discomfort.

So, you're walking around throughout the day and you might feel low back pain, you might feel hip pain, you might feel knee pain.

And that's basically just because your glute muscles aren't doing enough of the work for like regular movements that you're doing.

And so other parts of your body are kind of taking that over and getting overtired.

Kyra, you're exactly that does sound like a joke that my three and a half year old would make.

Right?

Not the iron butt.

Dead butt sitting down and then laughing himself.

I try to work out almost every day, but I always feel like I'm counteracting all of that by sitting at my desk during the day.

I've read that people who have desk jobs need to try to get more than the recommended, quote unquote, recommended.

Like, I don't know, it's like 150 minutes of like moderate activity a week.

How much should somebody who is sitting a lot

try to move?

Like, should they be shooting for more than that during the week?

Generally, the experts, I've talked about this, basically recommend thinking about, rather than thinking about your total volume of sitting and your total volume of exercise, like thinking about your day as a whole.

So if you're getting your recommended exercise in, that's great.

But it's really important to kind of prioritize breaking up the sitting with interruptions as much as you can.

So it's not necessarily that you need to try to squeeze in like another hard workout another day of the week.

But if you're doing that exercise and then sitting most of the day, prioritizing the movement breaks and like light physical activity is basically the most important thing.

I like that.

I think we now know that the health effects of sitting for long periods of time are kind of a distinct thing from not getting enough exercise.

It's not just the total amount that you're moving, but just on its own, sitting uninterrupted for a long period of time has all these other negative health effects.

What I'm hearing from you, Molly, is that the idea is to do your best to move, stand up, stand up at intervals, take a walk, move your legs, move your joints.

And if you can,

it's going to benefit you in the long run.

Yeah, exactly.

We're also going to link to an article from the well desk in our show notes for a simple routine to loosen those hips after you're sitting too much, which the three of us probably should do right about now.

Thanks for joining us, Molly.

Thanks so much for having me.

Now that we've covered how bad sitting all day for us is, we're going to get into some solutions, even if you have a job that requires you to be glued to a screen all day.

So after after the break, we're going to talk with Ariana Vasquez, one of Wirecritter's home office writers, about some office gear that can help you stay more mobile during the day.

Plus, our fitness expert's best hacks to keep moving.

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We're now talking with Ariana Vasquez, one of WireCutter's home office writers, and we're going to talk about office gear that can help you move more and how to avoid that dreaded dead butt syndrome we just talked about with Molly.

Ariana, welcome.

Hi.

So your whole job is to test home office gear at your home.

We just want to know what your office setup really looks like.

What are you using so that you're not sitting all day?

You're getting movement, hopefully every 30 minutes, staying active.

What do you do?

Well, I'll be honest, I don't move 30 minutes.

Okay.

But right now my house looks like a lab because of some of the equipment that I'm testing, which I will save for later.

But I have a treadmill, like one of the underdesk treadmills.

I have a stepper.

So if I'm standing at the desk, I can actually use a stepper.

I actually don't like just straight up standing.

So whether it's like a wobble board or a step or something, I need something to move while I'm standing.

And that's at my standing desk.

And then I have a trampoline also just to get a little bit of blood pumping between, you know, when I'm feeling stagnant.

That feels so 80s.

I love it.

You live in New York, right?

How are you fitting all this in an apartment?

Tetris.

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We want to talk about three pieces of office equipment that Wirecutter either recommends or that you're currently testing.

And these are things that can help you ideally move more during the day.

So a standing desk, walking pad, and under desk elliptical.

Let's start with standing desks.

Explain it to me.

Who are these good for?

What makes a good standing desk?

Well, as far as who they're good for, I would say everyone, even people who can't stand for very long, even they can benefit from a little bit of movement at the desk, having something that's totally fixed is basically like puts you at the mercy of the manufacturer to have to work with what they need.

So a standing desk in one way or another is going to help you to optimize working at a station that fits your needs rather than you having to make it fit whatever they thought it was good for.

So, a good standing desk ideally is something where you can kind of program it so that it can have a fixed height for when you're standing and a fixed height for when you're sitting because you really want to remove as much friction between movement as possible.

And so, even just the small thought of like, oh man, then I have to like stand up and then wait to get it to the perfect height, even that little bit of friction could be enough to deter you from standing.

So, the ideal desk is going to have programmable settings.

It'll move kind of quickly so that you're not having to wait upwards of of over a minute for the desk to raise to the right height or go back down.

And then obviously, you know, it should fit the space that you're in.

So it should be electrical.

It should have some like little button that like allows you to go up and down.

I didn't read, yeah, I didn't actually realize that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I have a standing desk that is actually just static because my office space at home is too small to accommodate one of these bigger standing desks that are electric and that move up and down because they're pretty big, right?

I mean, you need to have a pretty big space for these.

I have one that is like pretty small it's probably maybe two feet wide and it just stays in one spot but i i kind of like shift between my kitchen table and this standing desk yeah i started looking into really small standing desks because now they're coming in much smaller sizes We haven't tested them yet.

They have mixed reviews and from what I've seen, they don't move very quickly.

But for a situation like yours where like you don't have the 42 inches, most of these desks, that's the minimum size.

That's big.

Yeah, that's big.

That's big.

So there are smaller desks.

I'm curious to test them.

I want to know how much these things cost and what is our top pick?

So our top pick is the uplift version 2, the base model, like without any extra bells or whistles, usually goes for about 600.

And then from there, add-ons, upgrading the countertop, getting, you know, grommets and things that can get you up into like 1,000 and up, depending on how many extra bells and whistles.

What's a grommet?

A grommet is basically a cut-out hole in the desk where you can pipe your cables through.

So So you can get like a desktop that's like a normal table with no holes and you have to just like feed the cables over the edge.

Or you could get something with a little bit of cable management or you could get like a full kit with trays underneath the desk and outlets directly into the desk, that kind of thing.

Okay, so they're going to charge you an extra $400 for holes for your cables.

Oh,

yeah, sort of, you know, the drilling is expensive.

And ideally, these should last a long time, right?

Yes.

Yeah, they should last and they should have good warranty so that if you have issues with them, if the motor conks out, you can get those fixed.

I didn't even mention manual desks because, in the history of wire cutters, standing desk guide, we've never recommended them because you have to move your chair to the way and then start cranking a desk to raise it up.

Ain't nobody got time for that.

No one's gonna be cranking.

So we don't even recommend it.

And so, like, by default, those aren't even in consideration.

But it would get you technically more movement to crank like that, right?

Yeah, the heart rate.

Who wants to do that?

So, what if you don't want to shell out that much money, $600 to $1,000?

Are there other options, other cheaper options?

For sure, there's other options.

The cheapest option is like a kitchen countertop or an ironing board or even just like stacking some books on a table just to kind of raise your laptop up so you can stand in.

Because really the goal is to just stand for a little bit.

in the midst of your workday so you're not sitting all day.

Whatever it takes to do that, that's it.

If you did, say, for example, you had a desk that you really loved, or in your case, where you can't fit a larger desk, we also have a guide for standing desk converters.

They are what they sound like.

They sit on top of a desk and then they'll have some contraption, a lever or something, and you can raise the platform.

So, for example, in my bedroom, we have a small IKEA desk and we have the top pick.

sitting on top of that.

So that way we can stand and sit at the desk when we need to.

Yeah.

And what is our main pick?

It's the flexi Spot Alcove.

Okay.

And that actually has two tiers.

So it's got a base tier that sits basically right on top of the table that it's sitting on.

And that's where your keyboard, your mouse, or even maybe your laptop would go.

And then it's got a second platform, and that's where your monitor would go to encourage better ergonomics.

So you're not kind of hunching over to look at a monitor below you.

I want to talk about my favorite piece of equipment, the walking pad.

I have one of these at home.

I'm curious, what do you think these are good for?

Who do you think they're good for?

Who would you recommend walking pads for?

Because they're kind of dorky, honestly.

I'm just going to put it out there.

Well, I don't think they're dorky, but I also think that they're...

I think walking pads are phenomenal.

I also have one.

I don't use them when I'm reading or doing administrative tasks because me walking and trying to read just like doesn't work.

I actually only use them when I'm writing, when I'm not moving my head side to side, when I don't really have to mouse around a lot because I find it frustrating to try to use the mouse while I'm walking.

It introduces a little extra movement.

It makes things a little harder to click.

So I only use it when I'm doing something like a focus task.

I think walking pads are fantastic for people who like to walk.

Getting one with the intent of becoming a walker, I don't think is going to make you, you're not going to use it.

It's just going to sit.

I think if you want to stand or you want a bit of movement, get something like a stepper or get like a wobble board.

But if you're someone who genuinely likes the movement of walking and you can enjoy it, the thought of walking while you're working seems like something that's like, oh, hey, that's kind of cool.

I like that.

I could see myself doing it.

By all means, it's going to be great.

Yeah.

I love that.

Yeah.

I love to walk.

I use it when it's too hot in the summertime to go outside, like when it's like 100 degrees outside.

But I, unlike you, cannot write when I'm walking.

I have to.

be still.

And so I use it when I'm the tasks that my brain can still, like, I think I, I, I can't like rub my belly and i'm

studied because i think it's actually incredible to be able to do two things at once well i just can't imagine reading while bobbing up and down right yeah like that for me is just like too much which one are you using i'm using one that is it's not a pick okay it's one that i actually tested when we were initially doing the testing but our pick It's the GoPlus two-in-one folding treadmill.

I have our other pick in the guide, which is the Go Youth 2-in-1 1 Underdesk pad.

And how much did you pay for that, Christina?

I paid $250 for it.

I actually think it's a great value.

I think it's a great value for

that's something that you prioritize.

Yeah.

I like to think about things that improve my quality of life from a health perspective or from a personal development as investments rather than splurges.

Yeah.

Because you cannot really put a price tag on health.

And sitting all day, every day is bad for your health, no matter what.

And so spending $250, even for someone who's maybe like financially, you know, having a hard time,

the health bills are so much more than that $250 walk pad.

So I think it's worth it.

If you are thinking, I am very interested in a walking pad.

I don't yet have a standing desk or maybe you already have a standing desk.

What's the order?

Like for me, it was finding a desk that worked for me and then finding a walking pad that actually fit with the desk.

Is that the order you would recommend going in?

Or would you be like, like, just find the walking pad you think you want and get a desk that works with it?

I think the answer is yes.

Because again, like if we get back to the core issue, the core issue is like, are you sitting all day?

And if that's the case, then you really want to introduce some form of movement.

The most important thing is just not sitting all day.

If you only have the budget for one thing and you have the ability to get away from your desk for 10 to 15 minutes every so often, getting the walking pad first gets you to that goal much faster.

You can get away from your desk, you set a little Pomodero timer or use your kitchen timer and set it for an hour, whatever.

But at least you have that movement there.

You just have the walking pad next to your desk and then you get up, you do a little walk and you go back to sitting.

At some point in the future, then maybe you can upgrade and get some sort of a standing desk situation that lets you walk and work at the same time.

I had never even considered using my walking pad without my desk.

Now I'm going to use it all over my apartment.

I'm just going to move it all over the place.

Can we circle back?

Because you mentioned that the top rack for the walking pad is folding.

What does folding mean in this case?

It's a little bit of a tricky thing.

So there are walking pads that can fold and they're meant to be stowawayable in the sense that you can like literally fold the part that you walk on in half and then put it on your couch or something, assuming there's clearance.

This is not that.

The actual treadmill itself does not fold in half.

What folds is an arm that can come up.

And that's really for if you're gonna be running on it, that's the folding part.

I know treadmills sometimes can get quite loud.

So what about the walking pads?

Are they very noisy?

They're not whisper silent.

They all make some form of noise.

So there's the machine noise, there's the belt that's going.

I've used some machines that are very loud.

Like when we initially started doing the testing for the treadmills, like in the office, there were some that were loud, like you could clearly hear them.

RPICs are the quietest ones that I know of that I've tried, but there is some noise there.

There's also how you are on them.

So I tend to use my walking pad barefoot.

So I don't introduce a whole lot of noise besides the sound of like my footfall.

But using them with sneakers on, especially if you're using a sneaker that's got like a harder sole that's meant for like running, for example, there's also that like the sound of like the plastic sneaker hitting the belt.

That also introduces noise too.

So they're not so loud that they interrupt things, but when I've been on meetings and I've been walking, the person I'm on the call with has been able once or twice to say that they can hear the walking in the background.

But it sounds like a low thud, almost like I've got a washing machine going and there's like a cycle happening.

You've also been testing under-desk ellipticals.

Can you just explain what these are and who do you think they're good for?

So an under-desk elliptical is literally like the crank system of a bicycle in a small housing low to the ground.

So you put it and it sits basically in front of your office chair and you pedal on it while you're working or while you're doing things.

So say, for example, you were in a meeting and you didn't want to be moving all over the place on Peloton or like a walking pad.

It's a more discreet way to get a little bit of movement in.

But you're still sitting.

You're still sitting, but your legs are not sitting just like potatoes under the desk, like doing nothing.

They're moving.

There are electric and there are manual versions.

With the manual version, as you might imagine, you are the motor.

So you have to push and then you can ratchet up to tension.

So I've actually gotten like quite a bit of a workout using them.

Like a little bit of a sheen

starts to form.

Hello we.

So what's our top pick?

Do we have one?

We don't have one yet.

Oh, are you working on it?

Yeah, I'm still in the process of testing it.

I thought I had some and then I had my partner use them them the other day just to get a sense of like what he thought.

One model, like his foot didn't even fully fit.

Like his little pinky toes were hanging off.

So

pics to come.

Well, how much should somebody expect to pay for one?

That's good.

Underdesk ellipticals are kind of marketed for a range of people.

And there's even one that's upwards of almost $300.

And it even has handles with bungee cables and videos.

And you can do like a whole workout while you're sitting at the desk.

I will be doing that on Zoom calls.

There'll be like fly, you know, arm flies and stuff like that.

But for the purposes of what we're looking for, which is an underdesk, something you can use while you're working,

you really just need something that'll introduce a little bit of movement.

So anywhere from like 100, 150, something like that, maybe even less.

There's one that looks promising that's sub 100, but I got to put it through spaces to make sure that it's actually good.

Okay.

Sounds like one of the most affordable options here.

Is there any other gear that you keep in your home office to keep moving during the day?

Oh, yeah.

Steppers.

I have a stepper.

What is a stepper?

So a stepper is basically two platforms that stick out.

And unlike ellipticals, which are meant to be used from a seated position.

In fact, every single elliptical has big bold letters that say, do not use this while standing.

Steppers are designed to be used while standing.

You literally stand on them and you exert weight pushing pressure down on one heel heel and then the other and it's a stepping motion and then you can increase or decrease the tension which basically increases or decreases how deep the step is so at the easiest mode the step is very little at the hardest you're stepping all the way down and it's like really shifting your weight from side to side and i use those a lot when i'm playing dnd

so it's not quite a stair master no no you're not putting one foot in front of the other instead one heel is going down and then the other heel is going down, but your feet are side by side.

I feel like I saw my grandpa had one of these.

I think that these are kind of old school, like at least the versions I've seen, they're kind of old school and they were around in the 80s.

The stepper that I have is by a brand called Sunny Health and Fitness.

That brand is very popular for like price approachable fitness stuff at home.

It's almost silent.

It's great.

Again, I like not sitting for too long, but I don't like standing.

So anything that will keep me from standing still is a boon for my workday.

You mentioned earlier balance boards.

What's a balance board?

It's a board that's got a bit of a curvature toward the sides.

And so when you stand on it, your feet are standing not directly straight underneath you.

They're more out a little bit to the sides.

And then because the board has a curve that goes up at the edges, you can kind of wobble back and forth on it.

It's not crazy.

The edges might be like an inch, an inch and a half off the ground.

So it's not like you're on one of those rides at the amusement park where you're just like pendulum swinging from one side to the other.

But if you're someone that likes to shift your weight a lot from side to side, which I do, it's really nice because some of them have like padding.

So it's you're it's almost like you're standing on a standing mat.

There's like foam to support you, but you get a little bit of extra movement there.

I like that.

Yeah, which one do you use and how much does it cost?

The one that I have is actually our pick.

It's Fizzy Bow.

It's usually around $70.

Ariana, I reached out to our fitness team here at Wirecutter to ask them what they do during the day to get more movement.

And we collected some of these ideas and we want to ask you what you think of them and if you think they're discreet enough for work.

We may have thrown in a couple that were not from our fitness team, but that we may have witnessed in the wild.

So I'll go first.

What are your thoughts about setting up a regular walking meeting with your boss, a colleague, or or someone else?

I think if there's buy-in from both, that's great.

Like at one point, I had a little thing with my manager where we would both take our meeting standing, and it was just like a nice little thing.

So if there's buy-in from both, I like the support.

I think that's really nice.

Okay, what about working out during a call where you don't necessarily need to be on camera?

If you're just a participant, for example, like a company team meeting, I would say that's fine.

However,

I would not work out with my camera on because I think that's towing the line a little bit.

I can't even utter this.

This is like hard for me to even propose.

Squats and push-ups at the office in front of colleagues.

No, no,

no,

no.

Do it in a broom closet or something.

Be your best fit self.

Yes,

don't involve everyone else.

And finally, getting a dog to go on daily walks.

Highly, highly recommend.

If you live in a place that allows for pets, I highly recommend.

I have two little dogs and they

make me walk.

If I have like a meeting that goes long or it's scheduled over when they're supposed to go for a walk, they come and harass me.

They let me know it's time to go.

That is precisely why I will not get a dog.

I don't want to be told when I have to go outside.

But the routine is good for you.

I know it's great.

You're right.

I love them.

All right, Ama.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Appreciate having you here.

This is fantastic.

Thank you for inviting me.

Thank you.

Thanks.

How do you both feel after this episode?

I feel like I've been sitting too long.

Well, you definitely, yeah, we definitely have.

Yeah.

But I don't feel too bad.

I feel like I'm kind of in the middle.

Like I could do a little bit better, but I'm not doing horrible, which surprised me.

Yeah.

I feel like I want more gear.

I have my walking pad.

Now I'm like, ooh, maybe I want to get a stepper and maybe I want a balance board.

Are you going to fit it all?

I have no idea.

I have no idea.

But beyond the gear, actually, both conversations affirmed for me that it's just important to get up and move.

And if the whole middle part of my day is just like a sandwich of sitting, then it's not good.

So just trying to build that in a little bit more.

Yeah, I think I'm kind of on the same page.

I am really going to lean into my fidgetiness and my inability to sit still for too long.

And I'm just going to be like, yeah, maybe it's only been 30 minutes because usually I feel bad about that.

But I'm going to say, yes, 30 minutes.

It's time to get up instead of being mad at myself.

Turns out it might be your superpower.

If you want to find out more about Wirecutters coverage or if you want to check out any of the products Ariana recommended today, you can check out our website and you can also find a link in our show notes.

Thanks so much for listening.

Now get up, take a walk.

Bye.

Bye.

The Wirecutter Show is executive produced by Rosie Guerin and produced by Abigail Keel.

Engineering support from Matty Mazziello and Nick Pittman.

This episode was mixed by Sonia Herrero.

Original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Alicia Baitoup, and Diane Wong.

Cliff Levy is Wirecutter's deputy publisher and general manager.

Ben Freeman is Wirecutter's editor-in-chief.

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I'm Kyra Blackwell.

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Thanks for listening.

What I'm hearing is I need a standing desk that is just automated and just like makes me move, move, move.