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Heather Cox Richardson and Gavin Newsom discuss breaking news around the Governor’s latest efforts to stop Donald Trump’s election rigging schemes, Border Patrol’s surprise visits to Newsom’s rally, and California’s freshly announced special election this November.
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Speaker 15 This is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 19
Welcome, everybody. Sorry we're a little bit late getting started.
It's been quite a day for the governor. And thank you, Governor Newsom, for joining us today.
Speaker 20 Great to be with you. Thank you.
Speaker 19 It's been quite a day for you. I wanted to talk today about what you just said in California and how you said it
Speaker 19 and the implications in the short term for it, but also the long-term implications for American democracy. It was a big day for you.
Speaker 19 Do you want to start by telling the audience here who may not have heard your press conference or may not have heard
Speaker 20 your
Speaker 19 or read about it yet what you have said today in California.
Speaker 20
Well, if I, and I appreciate it, I want to say where I'm saying it. I'm in little Tokyo.
I'm at the Democracy Center. I'm at the center of what occurred in the 1940s,
Speaker 20 where people were quite literally picked up right behind me, a few feet away, Japanese and interned.
Speaker 20 As we started our press conference with senators, United States senators, Badia Schiff, members of Congress, community leaders, everybody assembled.
Speaker 20 Border Patrol was set right here to the exact site where people were picked up and interned in the 1940s.
Speaker 20 I just hope people pause and think about that, that they were directed clearly by the White House
Speaker 20
as a political operation to make a point. And that means we didn't have to make...
either much of a point ourselves about what this election is all about and what's happening in this country and
Speaker 20 this sort of shift towards more authoritarianism and
Speaker 20 what's at stake with redistricting and what's at stake with our democracy and how the founding fathers would be rolling over in their grave.
Speaker 19 Well, let's step back a bit because you said when it happened that they were making a specific point and it wasn't just about picking people up. It was about the upcoming 2026 and then 2028 election.
Speaker 20 Yeah, look, there's no doubt in my mind that, and I said this a few months ago, when we saw 4,000 of our National Guard federalized, we saw 700 United States Marines sent to an American city, the first time Donald Trump ever deployed the U.S.
Speaker 20 military, never did it overseas, did it into the United States of America into
Speaker 20
Los Angeles. I said this is a preview of things to come.
I don't know what more evidence we need than what happened in Washington, D.C. And you're going to see this all across the United States.
Speaker 20
What we saw just a moment ago with Border Patrol is a preview of things to come at voting booths and polling places all across this country. These guys aren't screwing around.
Wake up.
Speaker 20
Donald Trump is not screwing around. He called Greg Abbott.
He said he was entitled to five seats. He's trying to rig the next election in the midterms.
Speaker 20 There's a reason members of the Trump team sent me a Trump 2028 hat with a note is they're not screwing around and we could no longer screw around either.
Speaker 19 So you spoke today specifically in response to the demand of President Donald Trump of the Texas legislators to redistrict the state in the middle of a
Speaker 19
cycle, which is usually every 10 years because the U.S. Census demand, the U.S.
Constitution demands that we do a census every 10 years for redistricting.
Speaker 19 And Texas has done this before in 2003, but they are looking to redistrict Texas to get rid of a number of Democratic representatives and replace them with Republicans, five.
Speaker 19 So today in California, you pushed back with a very specific plan. Could you outline that plan for us, even though the maps have not come out yet? We understand.
Speaker 20 Well, we're fighting fire with fire. We're responding to
Speaker 20 what appears to be happening in real time in Texas.
Speaker 20 And rather than having one hand tied behind our back in California, we are asking the people of the state of California in a special election on November 4th
Speaker 20 through their representatives, two-thirds of which will on Monday introduce a constitutional amendment to allow the independent redistricting of California to occur mid-decade to fight firefire, the equivalent of five seats, to neuter and neutralize what's happening in Texas on a temporary basis.
Speaker 20
We'll do it in a transparent way by putting the maps up and make them available for public review. And we'll do it in the most democratic way.
The people will ultimately decide.
Speaker 20 Stark contrast to what's happening in Texas.
Speaker 20 It's triggered only if Texas moves forward, if Missouri moves forward, if Florida moves forward, if Indiana or Ohio or any of these other states move forward in response to what appears pretty clearly to be the rigging of the midterm election analogous to what happened after January 6th when Donald Trump Trump started dialing for votes and the very infamous phone calls he made to the Secretary of State in Georgia.
Speaker 19 So I want to get back in a bit to the idea that this is a long-term plan of the mega-Republicans to take over the American system entirely so that the Democrats can never win.
Speaker 19 So we essentially get a one-party state. But let's go back, first of all, to this specific plan, because there's some pieces of it that I think are important for people to understand.
Speaker 19 The first, as you say, is that it is reactionary. It would only go into effect if the Texas Republicans go forward with their own redistricting plan
Speaker 19 in the mid-cycle. Is that correct?
Speaker 20
That's it. There's an exit ramp.
They don't move forward.
Speaker 20 We don't move forward.
Speaker 20 This is not the fight we want, but we're not going to sit back again and roll over.
Speaker 20 We're not going to sit back with one hand tied behind our back, have a candlelight vigil, hold hands, talk about the way the world should be, not when we're seeing this level of recklessness, this level
Speaker 20 of insidiousness as it relates to democratic institutions, democratic norms, and the rigging of the 2026 congressional maps.
Speaker 19 All right. So if that's the immediate piece of it, there is within it, as I understand it,
Speaker 19
and I have not yet read the measure. There is within it a demand for a national nonpartisan.
Can you talk about that?
Speaker 20 Yeah, look,
Speaker 20
just so people understand and want to level set with folks, good people can disagree on this. I support and have supported independent redistricting.
I believe it's the right approach.
Speaker 20 I'm really proud of my party, the Democratic Party, for doing the same.
Speaker 20 Zoe Lawford, who's the head of the California Congressional Delegation, sponsored legislation was supported by all the Democrats to create a national independent redistricting.
Speaker 20
No Republicans supported it. Democrats supported that.
That's what we believe. It's the right thing to do.
Speaker 20 We need to move beyond these partisan gerrymander districts where we pick voters as opposed to voters picking us. But in the absence of that happening nationwide, in the absence of these
Speaker 20
of fairness being advanced in other states, we have to act anew in the sort of language of Lincoln himself in his second State of the Union. We have to disenthrall ourselves.
Facts are new.
Speaker 20 We have to think anew and we have to act anew. And I think the key here is act.
Speaker 20 it's not good enough to talk about we have to actually move forward we have to meet this head on that's why we say fire with fire it is about power it's not about party that's all this is about but again it came about in response if they don't move we don't move the legislature on monday will introduce a number of bills a constitutional amendment uh they will introduce the maps the fact that maps will come out uh i think as early as tomorrow so people have a chance to see them.
Speaker 20
Again, they'll be on people's ballot. And so ultimately, people decide on November 4th.
It's an election that coincides with a lot of municipal elections.
Speaker 20 And we will fund those elections, the special election at the local level, so that there's access and opportunity.
Speaker 20 We're going to do it in the most transparent way that's ever been done here in the state of California.
Speaker 20 But we fundamentally believe, and the voters will have a chance to concur, that we should have independent, nationalized redistricting. That is going to be be on our ballot as well.
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Speaker 19 All right, so what would you say to institutionalists like me who say that in fact we need to support American institutions
Speaker 19 even when other people are not supporting them because by walking away from them we destroy the project.
Speaker 20 Well, I think this project is being destroyed.
Speaker 20 I mean the best of the Roman Republic and Greek democracy and co-equal branches of government, a system of checks and balances, popular sovereignty, it's all on the line.
Speaker 20 There's no independent redistricting.
Speaker 20 If Trump is successful in wiring the five votes that he claims he's entitled to or the five seats in Texas and all of these other states, he's not going to stop in Texas.
Speaker 20 You see what he just tried to do to one of the great research institutions in the world that helped create the internet, UCLA, and the $1 billion extortion package. They're selling their souls.
Speaker 20
God help us. God help us.
They'll do this at Harvard. Institutions.
My gosh, institutions. How about free enterprise? How about what NVIDIA just did, AMD?
Speaker 20
Institutions, they're fraying. They're cracking.
So we have got to, this is about power, yes, but it's also about power pushing back against against Trump.
Speaker 20 And it's also about power to call out this rigged election that he's trying to advance and to try to provide a level playing field.
Speaker 20 That's all we're trying to do, neutralize what they're doing in Texas.
Speaker 19 Well, you certainly could make the argument that
Speaker 19 what you are doing is quite intelligently looking at the nation as a whole and California as a piece of that.
Speaker 19 So by protecting the larger institutional system of the checks and balances in the country and stopping this extraordinary power grab, that in fact, you are supporting those institutions, not undercutting them.
Speaker 19 Do you think that's fair?
Speaker 20
I couldn't agree with you more. I mean, this is, you know, this is about all of us.
This is about the United States of America.
Speaker 20 The implications, everyone listening, the implications are well beyond California.
Speaker 20 And this is about representation. It's about as fundamental and foundational as it gets.
Speaker 20 And again, this is the core enduring experiment that we've enjoyed, but can no longer take for granted for 249 years.
Speaker 20 I mean, the idea that Donald Trump is going to represent this nation on the 250th anniversary, and he's up to this?
Speaker 20 I mean, come on.
Speaker 19 We're going to represent, the American people are going to represent the country at the 250th.
Speaker 20 God bless you.
Speaker 20 And that reminds me of Justice
Speaker 20 Hagan's dissent in
Speaker 20 not dissimilar redistricting issues where the power of the government is endowed by the people.
Speaker 20 I'm here at the Democracy Center and in that spirit, I remember Justice Brandeis said, in a democracy, the most important office is not office of president, certainly not governor, city council, mayor, the most important office is office of citizen.
Speaker 20 And it's about active, not inert citizenship. And so this notion of we the people
Speaker 20
is foundational. And I appreciate that spirit.
And I appreciate your reflection of that.
Speaker 19 Well, you mentioned that in your speech today. You talked about agency and about how part of what you're doing is trying to remind Americans that they do have agency over their government.
Speaker 19 Was that a deliberate call for this speech?
Speaker 20
Yeah, I don't know. It's happened.
I feel like some of us have, we've become victims in so many respects. We forget we're not bystanders in the world.
Speaker 20
That the future is not just something to experience. It's something to manifest.
It's right here. It's right inside of us.
It is. It's decisions, not conditions.
And I don't, you know, maybe I'm,
Speaker 20 maybe after the pandemic, I started reading a little more Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius and Seneca and spent a little time with the Stoics a little bit.
Speaker 20
But it's a reminder, it's not what happens to us. It's how we respond to what happens to us that matters.
And we have agency. That's what citizenship.
He can't take that away from us. He can't.
Speaker 20 He's trying.
Speaker 20 He can only take it away if we allow him to take it away from us.
Speaker 20
And I'm very mindful that that's happened in other countries around the world and other points of our history. With the consent, there's a complicity.
We are not bystandards.
Speaker 19 Well, one of the things that jumped out to me about this declaration of the governor of California that he would use the power, the extraordinary power of the state of California, which, as you say, has the population of 21 of the smaller states and the fourth largest economy in the world.
Speaker 19
Congratulations on that, by the way. That came earlier this year.
You moved from fifth to fourth.
Speaker 19 But what really interested me about that in terms of the way we think about American democracy in the larger picture is I believe this is the first time in American history where a state has called for other states to pressure the national government to change the system for larger inclusion in democracy.
Speaker 19 And what I mean by that is that generally, after World War II,
Speaker 19 the liberals who wanted the government to regulate business and provide a basic social safety net and protect civil rights and invest in infrastructure looked to the federal government to move states along those lines, especially states that had tended to discriminate against their populations.
Speaker 19 And so there's been a tendency for people who cared about those issues.
Speaker 19 And that's not just, by the way, in the 1950s and 60s and 70s, a democratic proposition, but an American proposition, to look to the federal government.
Speaker 19 But I believe this is the first time that a state has said we will leverage our very strong power to force the federal government to stop destroying our democracy.
Speaker 19 I think it's a really big moment, what you have just declared.
Speaker 19 Did you see it that way?
Speaker 20 Yeah, no, it's interesting.
Speaker 20 As you're framing it, I'm starting to see it that way. Look,
Speaker 20 I've seen, and Ron Bronstein Brownstein and others have been writing a lot about this,
Speaker 20 this great divergence that's occurred in this country in the last, I don't know, decade or so, red versus blue.
Speaker 20 We've seen, as you describe it, you know, from sort of post-World War II frame, this rights expansion, this increasing and growing nationalization of rights.
Speaker 20 And now we're seeing that regression state by state.
Speaker 20 I started to see it a number of years ago in a deeper way when I started to reconcile the fact that I'm on the receiving end of CRT, DEI, ESG, anything with three letters.
Speaker 20 They seen it started to shape-shift.
Speaker 20 And we started to see that with Ron DeSantis in particular, Abbott, in many respects, without as much fanfare, starting to sort of rewrite history, censor historic facts, what more evidence we need with Smithsonian and what's going on there.
Speaker 20 And I started to see it as it relates to curriculum being changed.
Speaker 20 I saw it with books that are being banned, literally, or books even worse that are being changed, like social studies books, where they're taking the race of Rosa Parks out of the book because it's quote unquote too woke as it relates to the history of the civil rights movement.
Speaker 20 And so,
Speaker 20 this nationalization of rights that now seems to be moving backwards to pre-1960s construct, it just occurs to me now to the extent possible states can assert themselves, like California, states that might just be able to punch a little bit above their weight,
Speaker 20 that we can lay a little bit more claim to
Speaker 20 recognizing this moment in history and push back
Speaker 20 and move back, I think, to our better angels,
Speaker 20 where we truly are, as Adam Schiff said today,
Speaker 20 you know, sort of marking
Speaker 20 that sort of infamous MLK frame, that, you know, that arc of history will ultimately bend towards justice.
Speaker 20 And I just feel like it's getting increasingly out of our grasp, and we've got to pull that arc back down.
Speaker 19 Well, you did something else very interesting, though, in your speech that speaks to that.
Speaker 19 And that is that really since, well, at least for the last 20 years, and I would push it back for 20 before that, there's been a tendency among the rhetoric of the radical right to demonize Democratic states, especially California and New York, but especially California.
Speaker 19 And you actually took on Texas today, and you also spoke up very powerfully about having pride in the things that
Speaker 19 make California great.
Speaker 19 That, too, I thought was an important rhetorical shift.
Speaker 20
I appreciate that. I looked around the room as people were cheering.
It's the most diverse crowd in the most diverse city, the world's most diverse democracy. It's a point of pride.
It's all at stake.
Speaker 20
We don't say it enough. You know, why is California the fourth largest economy? I appreciate you recognizing that.
It's not despite that diversity. It's because of it.
Speaker 20
We get first-round draft choices around the rest of the world. The best and the brightest.
come to California, states like California, other large states across this country, because
Speaker 20
they feel seen and heard. They feel a sense of belonging.
That's what makes this country great. That's what's made America great.
Speaker 20
Lady Torch, you know, that Lady Liberty's torch, you know, the life force, as Reagan said, yes, Ronald Reagan himself of new Americans. That's our greatness.
And all of that is at risk.
Speaker 20 That's what the Border Patrol was sitting there trying to. disabuse us of.
Speaker 20 We're not going to let Donald Trump wreck that.
Speaker 20 And I'm not, you know, there's, I'll acknowledge that there is, there's definitely, I submit Trump derangement syndrome, but there sure as hell is California derangement syndrome.
Speaker 20 We have more scientists, engineers, more researchers, more Nobel laureates than any other state in America. Just think about the UC system that he's attacking, 13,800 active patents.
Speaker 20
There's no other university system on planet Earth with more patents. You care about national security.
You care about economic progress. You care about innovation and entrepreneurialism.
Speaker 20
You care about dominating the next century and globally and otherwise. You sure as hell better care about those institutions.
All of those are at risk with the rule of dawn.
Speaker 20 Well, I hope it's dawning on people what's at stake.
Speaker 19 Well, the contrast of ICE being there as you said that, because of course economists 1,000% bear out exactly what you just said here, was a striking moment.
Speaker 19 It was also, I thought, a very striking moment that Trump and the MAGA Republicans, especially I'm thinking of somebody like Stephen Miller right now, the White House deputy chief of staff, have made it a point really to talk about how terrible America is, that it's American carnage, that there's, you know, who was it?
Speaker 19
The senator from Oklahoma today, Mark Wayne Mullins, said he drives around Washington without a seatbelt because he's afraid he's going to get carjacked. I'm like, dude, come on.
Like, really?
Speaker 20 You know, I spent a lot of time in the middle of the day. He's more carjacked in his state than he is in these blue states.
Speaker 20
I mean, I'll remind everyone watching, eight of the top 10 murder states in America are red states. You've got, you talk about the Speaker.
We didn't talk about the Speaker of the House Johnson.
Speaker 20 His district has six or eight times more murder rate per capita than Nancy Pelosi's.
Speaker 20 Why the hell isn't Trump sending the National Guard in to deal with the carnage in Speaker Johnson's backyard? It's all BS. It's all performative, but it's all very real.
Speaker 20
And that's why we need to sober up. We need to act differently.
It's time we have to get back on the offense. It's time we shape-shift the conversation.
Speaker 20
It's time we dominate and flood the zone on the narrative. And it's time we call out the bullshit.
Excuse my language. I know there's a lot of
Speaker 20 us are swearing a lot more than we used to.
Speaker 20 And forgive me.
Speaker 20 But the reality is we're in a new reality. And Democrats, I think the biggest problem with our party right now is the sense that we're weak,
Speaker 20
that we're weak. And it's time to disabuse people of that.
We have power. We need to start exercising it.
Speaker 19 Okay, you said a bunch of things there that I think are really important. Agency, offense, and defense of the qualities that have always made America great.
Speaker 19 You referenced Ronald Reagan there, the last public speech he gave, talked about how important immigration was to making America stay on the top of its game, constantly innovating, constantly being the best in the world because we welcomed new people.
Speaker 19
And that he said if we stopped that, we would cease to be America. We would cease to be the country we were.
And I think we're seeing that.
Speaker 20 I got it. I mean, look,
Speaker 20 we've had a formula for success in this country. And
Speaker 20 I mean, for everybody, we've been there
Speaker 20 for all the challenges. And
Speaker 20
we have, it goes without saying. We have all these preexisting conditions, but we have been the envy of the world.
And these guys are trying to wreck it. They're trying to wreck it.
Speaker 20
And they don't know what the hell they're doing. Trump doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
And you have all of these people that are complicit and they're shaking their head. Yes, sir.
Speaker 20 And the worst part, Heather, it's some of the wealthiest and most connected people that are selling out. That's why if Harvard does this, they will sell out higher education in this country.
Speaker 20
It is a shame. It would be a disgrace.
You have some of the wealthiest business leaders selling out, allowing their companies to be nationalized, socialized, dare I say.
Speaker 20
We cannot allow that to happen. People are scared.
I'll tell you what, we have some people that want to contribute to this campaign. They're scared of the retribution from this son of a bitch.
Speaker 20 I mean, this is how bad it is.
Speaker 19 Let me just explain for people. who may not have been following it that in fact the Trump administration has been exercising really quite unusual control over government mergers, for example.
Speaker 19 They've been requiring 15% kickbacks on the sale of certain kinds of chips to China and so on. And there is a real concern that this is a form of state capitalism that looks a lot more
Speaker 19 like China than it looks like our free labor system.
Speaker 19 But while we're on that topic, though, Governor, what about
Speaker 19 your new, I think you have a very new approach to how you were taking on the Trump administration. And I know that I've been reprinting you and certainly a lot of people have been retweeting you.
Speaker 19 Why did you make the decision to do what you're you're doing? Can you explain it to us and say if it, you know, where you think it fits in this fight that we are on to protect American democracy?
Speaker 19 Yeah, look, I
Speaker 20 have,
Speaker 20 we all have a sell-by date, and I'm not going to dream of regretting. I'm
Speaker 20
putting it all out of the line. And I just, I, I, I've never been more concerned.
about this country and for that matter the world uh that we're living in And
Speaker 20 I recognize the power of communication. I realize the power of the narrative we talked about a moment ago, or at least I asserted the imperative of claiming the narrative.
Speaker 20
And I'm just iterating. I'm constantly iterating.
So I got a podcast. I'm just trying new things.
And there's humility in that. There's grace.
Speaker 20 I'm just trying to see what works. And I decided a few days ago with the team to mimic a little bit of the childishness that is Donald Trump and what he puts out on Truth Social.
Speaker 20 It all cats, exclamation, exclamation.
Speaker 20 And I don't know, some refer to it as a parody of sorts, but it's been a potent communication tool because people are now talking about it. I'm getting people that never.
Speaker 20 reach out to me that don't care much about politics, can't stand politicians, just want to talk to me about sports or culture saying, hey, wait, I saw your tweet, kind of like that.
Speaker 20 All of a sudden, they're paying a little bit more attention and they're maybe paying attention to the childishness that is Donald Trump, that we've allowed him to normalize the way he communicates, talking down to us, talking past us.
Speaker 20 And so, yeah,
Speaker 20
we're iterating. We're trying new things.
I'm not trying to claim anything except a willingness to try, a willingness to learn.
Speaker 20 Again, with, as I said, the humility and grace of the moment that it requires.
Speaker 19 Do you want to tell this audience what you said in response to a question about it at your press conference after the after the speech?
Speaker 20 No, I mean, I just basically reinforce a little bit more succinctly what I just said.
Speaker 20 Look,
Speaker 20 how it's pathetic. He's the president of the United States, the president of the United States of America.
Speaker 20 And he's sitting there at 1-2 in the morning with all caps.
Speaker 20 And it just,
Speaker 20 anyway,
Speaker 20 I don't know how many more I'll have of those tweets, but if you haven't checked out some of my tweets, go online. You may enjoy a few of them.
Speaker 19 I believe you said, if you have a problem with my tweets, you sure should have a problem with the president of the United States making those tweets.
Speaker 20 Exactly. I mean, I got kids and I got,
Speaker 20 we have a whole generation of people that thinks this is normal. It's not.
Speaker 20
And it can't be normalized. And that's a big part of what we're also pushing back against.
Pay attention, everybody. Please, please, please, please pay attention to what's going on.
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Speaker 19 So I have just two very quick questions for you. One is I'm not going to ask you how you think Trump will respond because we don't know.
Speaker 19 That's one of the reasons we sort of have to take it on a moment-by-moment basis. But do you have a series of plans in place depending on how he responds to this? Because he will.
Speaker 19 That was a red flag to a bull.
Speaker 20
Boy, he responded today. Border Patrol was out there for a reason.
That wasn't done. That wasn't happenstance.
Speaker 20 That's, I mean,
Speaker 20 that's an Orban, you know, turkey playbook. I mean, that was just, you know, that was, yeah, that's, as I said, weakness masquerading is strength.
Speaker 20
But again, it was a masterclass of making our point, not his point. He made no point.
He made our point of what's at stake. So that's how he'll react.
He's reacted by saying I should be arrested.
Speaker 20
Under what basis? He said, well, because he was elected governor. I mean, you can't make this stuff up.
So look, I'm not naive. He's reacting.
He's trying to wreck California.
Speaker 20 He's, you know, he's trying to wreck the only high-speed rail system in the Western hemisphere. He's trying to go after us as it relates to institutions of higher learning.
Speaker 20 Any independent, any place that cultivates independent thinking, Donald Trump is going after.
Speaker 20
Any institution. that cultivates independent thinking.
And that should sober everyone up, not just California, not not just Californians, not just elected officials. I'm fine.
Speaker 20 The 15-year-old that had a gun pulled to his head who's disabled, trying to go to school last week, he's not.
Speaker 20 The rest of his life, he's going to have that image of a gun that was put to his head by ICE agents.
Speaker 20 So that's, that's,
Speaker 20 what the hell do we need to sober up?
Speaker 19
So, so that's my final. That is my final question for you.
You talked about agency. You've talked about new things,
Speaker 19 new ways to approach the protection of democracy. You've talked about what you are doing.
Speaker 19 What should the American people be doing to support the democratic project right now? Because everybody wants to do something. The popularity of this administration, you know, is in the toilet.
Speaker 19 The people who support Project 2024, about 4% of Americans, support it when they know what it is. What should people be doing to support the protection of American democracy?
Speaker 20
It's the right question. And I think about this all the time.
I get this question all the time. What he's trying to do, the shock and awe is trying to just
Speaker 20 weight us down, try to distract us, try to exhaust us.
Speaker 20 We're just overwhelmed. And as a consequence, we just sort of stand back and step down and just get lost and, you know,
Speaker 20 online and doom scrolling, et cetera. We can't allow him
Speaker 20 to allow us to fall prey to cynicism and fear. And I want everyone listening to know they're the antidote to that cynicism and fear.
Speaker 20 The fact that you're even watching this, if you are, even if you came here because you can't stand me,
Speaker 20
you're the antidote to that cynicism fair. You haven't given up.
You haven't given in. And I think the answer is not complicated.
Just be yourself. Say what you think.
Learn from, don't follow others.
Speaker 20
Express yourself. Do so in a responsible way.
Don't talk past people. Don't talk down to people.
Speaker 20
All of us want to be loved. All of us need to be loved.
We all want to be protected, connected, and respected. Have that in your heart, but be accountable by exercising your voice.
Show up.
Speaker 20
It inspires people. And that No King's Day, you inspired me.
I wasn't sure. how that was going the big 250th anniversary,
Speaker 20
big birthday bash. I honestly didn't know I was going to go.
Like I'm starting to feel it.
Speaker 20 If I'm feeling it and I have this bully pulpit, this gift, I can imagine how many people are feeling, but you showed up and I mean, you put
Speaker 20
wind in my sail. I mean, like, thank you for having our back.
The fact that we've even gotten this far with the legislature and with our congressional, I mean, this is amazing. Thank you.
Speaker 20 Thank you for not giving up. Keep at it, seriously, like proud, just as a guy who's the ex-governor of California, a guy who's trying to raise four kids just to be decent people.
Speaker 20 I don't care if they're Democrats, Republicans. I just want them to be good human beings.
Speaker 20 And I want them to have the privileges that all of us have, the freedoms, the liberties, the ability to live their lives out loud. And those things you can't take for granted anymore.
Speaker 19
Amen, Governor Newsom. Thank you so much for being with us.
And I hope we do this again sometime. Best of luck to you and best of luck with this project.
Speaker 20
I appreciate it. Honor to be with you.
Seriously.
Speaker 19 Take care. Thank you for being here, everybody.
Speaker 20 Thank you, everybody.
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