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Speaker 18 Introduce yourself for the first time on this new platform. Tell them why you're on and kind of what you're doing on here.

Speaker 17 I'm on because you're on and others are on and people are having two-way conversations. And, you know, I think this notion of just one-way conversations and broadcasts doesn't work anymore.

Speaker 17 So it's a great opportunity to

Speaker 17 be able to meet people where they are and to have more substantive and long-form conversations. So I'm really grateful.
It's a great opportunity. First time.
Thank you.

Speaker 17 Yeah, super excited to have you.

Speaker 18 I think a lot of folks have seen you over the past couple of weeks, especially on Midas Touch, on Fred Wellman. You're doing new media more than really other leaders in the Democratic Party.

Speaker 18 Do you feel like this is the future for Democrats? You know, other Democrats should follow your lead here.

Speaker 17 Yeah, I don't even think it's the future. I think it's where we are now.

Speaker 17 You know, and I think if we don't recognize that, we're not going to reconcile where our standing is as it relates to the asymmetry of our communication challenges as a party. And look,

Speaker 17 I don't know how, I think it was Tucker Carlson even today who basically was. tacking Fox or yesterday it was Steve Bannon.
And

Speaker 17 when Tucker Carlson is saying it's in essence a propaganda network, I think that's just everything you need to know, but it's effective, just like Pravda was effective.

Speaker 17 And it is a communication arm of the Trump administration and their surround sound and their ability to shape-shift conversations to put us on the defense is next level.

Speaker 17 And so I think it's foundational, it's fundamental to quote unquote our path back that we start to get more aggressive in mediums like this and build our own capacity, our own capacity, not just to push back against that, but to truly expand that network of communication and engagement.

Speaker 18 Well, I got to ask you this morning, you kind of went into the lion's den writing a Fox News op-ed titled Trump is Trying to Destroy Our Democracy. Do Not Let Him.

Speaker 18 What was that op-ed about for those who didn't read? And why did you choose Fox News?

Speaker 17 Well, because you got to meet people where they are. And you've got to hit people that are, you know, that we haven't, quote unquote, already persuaded.

Speaker 17 And I think one of the things that I think people have criticized me, and I totally, I deeply appreciate, I'm very, I'm probably more self-critical than anybody listening or watching.

Speaker 17 I'm not even making that up, like actually.

Speaker 17 And so I use the word humility and grace all the time. And I'm constantly trying to iterate and try new things.
And it's in that process of discovery. And so for years,

Speaker 17 I've been screaming and yelling saying, we got to get out of our own bubble. And I was screaming and yelling about it, but I wasn't doing it.
So it's one thing to preach. It's another to practice.

Speaker 17 So I started, you know, I said. called Sean Hannity.
I said, hey, you've been attacking me every single damn night. Invited him to Ronald Reagan's old mansion, the governor's mansion in California.

Speaker 17 And we sat down for an unscripted hour and 20 minutes. I said, the only rule is no editing.
Let's have this conversation and put it up.

Speaker 17 And he did to his credit and ended up not only being on Fox in a few of those kind of interviews, did a debate with Ron DeSantis and, you know, just started to reach, sort of breach that bubble, like just sort of pierce it a little bit and get in.

Speaker 17 So, you know, I'm trying to, there's.

Speaker 17 There's a huge percentage, a lot of folks, a lot of Democrats, a lot of independents, a lot of persuadables watching Fox every night and

Speaker 17 reading Fox. And so that's why I did that op-ed there.
And look, I think it's self-evident. We all know what's happening to our democracy.
We all know what's happening to the

Speaker 17 endearing values of our founding fathers.

Speaker 17 I said all the time, the best of the Roman Republic and Greek democracy, co-equal, co-equal branches of government, popular sovereignty, this notion of system of checks and balances.

Speaker 17 And we've seen just the total corruption of Speaker Johnson, who's completely capitulated and rolled over. There's no checks and balances left in Congress.

Speaker 17 They're a lapdog of the Trump administration. That means there's one left, and that's the courts.
And we're about to go into court quite literally in a few minutes.

Speaker 17 The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, two out of three of the judges on our panel are Trump judges on a lawsuit.

Speaker 17 But the point is we're counting on the courts and we're counting on people that showed up in record numbers over the weekend, unprecedented protests, which is amazing

Speaker 17 to hold up this democracy.

Speaker 18 Well, I want to ask you both about the protests, but also about this court hearing.

Speaker 18 Can you tell folks what this court hearing is about? It's about, I'm assuming, the ICE agents being able to work with Marines to kind of go into homes, into communities, and conduct these raids.

Speaker 18 But can you give some more elaboration as to what folks need to know about this hearing and kind of what your expectation is, given the fact that there are two Trump judges on this circuit panel today?

Speaker 17 Yeah. So, I mean, so this is about federalism.
This is about the 10th Amendment. This is about the rule of law.
This is about our Constitution.

Speaker 17 It's about, you know, this idea that,

Speaker 17 the founding fathers,

Speaker 17 their response to a monarchy and king was

Speaker 17 this thing we frankly times take for granted. And so

Speaker 17 that's what ultimately is being tested here. And that's the theory that Donald Trump can unilaterally decide

Speaker 17 to militarize the streets of America. It happens to be in L.A.
now. It will be in your city next.
He did a national order, which, by the way, is the point about this being your city next.

Speaker 17 It's not unique to California that allows him to,

Speaker 17 if there's a protest, to unilaterally, under this Section 12406,

Speaker 17 under the, you know, I don't want to get into more details, but under a rubric that's well established as it relates to Title 10 under his authority,

Speaker 17 the federalization of the National Guard, to decide to militarize by commandeering the National Guard, which he's done in California.

Speaker 17 4,000 National Guards, men and women, have been taken out of my command. And by the way, taken off the beat of doing forest management, vegetation management.
Three quarters.

Speaker 17 of what we refer to as our rattlesnake teams that were preparing for wildfire season now have been pulled off. I have counter drug task forces to deal with fentanyl.

Speaker 17 They've been pulled off the counter drug task forces, including on border issues where they've been deployed for almost six years.

Speaker 17 They've been pulled off, including now the streets where a lot of these are police officers, members of law enforcement in their day jobs, and now been commandeered by the President of the United States for ICE enforcement.

Speaker 17 And so that's fundamentally a question at hand. We won a case, 36-page

Speaker 17 injunctive belief that we got from Justice Breyer last week, and they immediately ran it to the appellate court. And today at noon will determine our fate.

Speaker 17 And if we're successful, I believe we should be and will be,

Speaker 17 that will be a big day in the rule of law.

Speaker 18 I guess we'll see what happens next.

Speaker 18 I will say I think that this is an issue that has broken through really like none other, immigration enforcement, specifically because it's impacting every community, Republican, Democrat, Independent, doesn't really matter.

Speaker 18 And I think we saw that over the weekend with No Kings Day protests, about 5 million folks conservatively nationwide, hundreds of thousands in Los Angeles, San Diego.

Speaker 18 What's your reaction to the protests on the ground?

Speaker 17 People stepped up. They stepped in and they're the antidote.
I've said it. I said it in a speech the other night.
I mean, you're the antidote to that fear, anxiety, the cynicism you may be feeling.

Speaker 17 All that stacking of stress. And, you know, that stacking of stress is real, not just the stress of the last five months and all things, Trump.

Speaker 17 But look, I mean, everything you guys have been, everybody's been through, right?

Speaker 17 The pandemic and social unrest, you know, George Floyd, you know, the macroeconomic challenges, supply chain disruptions, and obviously now just this, this, you know, this next level disruption and authoritarian tendencies that we're all trying to push back against against the Trump administration.

Speaker 17 But people, what was so amazing about this weekend is it showed people haven't given up. And that's extraordinary.

Speaker 17 And I think, you know, it's, you know, there's an old adage, you know, in business, we talk about success leaves clues, the power of emulation.

Speaker 17 And I think the more people show up, the more people feel like they're not alone and the more likely. others will start to show up.
And there's a contagion in a positive sense here.

Speaker 17 And that was on display over the weekend. And that's honestly like, that's, if I have any hope left, that's it.

Speaker 17 Because I'm not, you know, you know, look at, looking at what's happened to Congress, look at what's happening in our institutions, looking at what's happening to law firms that are capitulating and selling out, look what's happening to ethics and

Speaker 17 these attacks and assaults on our courts. What's left is we the people

Speaker 17 and the power of people organizing and expressing themselves. I mean, that's why I quoted Justice Brandeis.
In a democracy, the most important office, sorry, Donald Trump, it ain't the presidency.

Speaker 17 The most important office is office of citizen, active, non-inert citizenship. And that's what we're seeing.

Speaker 18 And I think it's important to note that the overwhelming majority of those protests were peaceful across the country. They were peaceful.

Speaker 18 People were, I mean, the San Diego PD tweeted out saying, thank you for being peaceful. Thank you for exercising your First Amendment right.

Speaker 17 I had my nieces and my nephews out there. My sister was out there.
And they had, you know, crayon and they were doing their own signs. I mean, it was next level peaceful.

Speaker 17 And what a point of contrast to the weaponization of the extreme exceptions that you see on some of these propaganda networks that said otherwise.

Speaker 17 So, no, and that's, by the way, it's critical.

Speaker 17 One of but forgive me, it's an aside. One of the most extraordinary things that I that I've been able to do as governor was getting to know this guy, James Lawson.

Speaker 17 And some folks may know who he is, some people may not. Passed away recently.

Speaker 17 And James Lawson was the one that introduced Dr. King

Speaker 17 to Gandhi and nonviolent protests.

Speaker 17 And he was living in Los Angeles during the George Floyd.

Speaker 17 And I had a chance. Someone introduced me, said, boy, you really need to meet Reverend Lawson.
You talk about moral authority. Man, like you're just in this presence.
And I didn't, I've never met him.

Speaker 17 And I'm like, you just, you're thunderstruck. And I remember being in a roundtable meeting with leaders of the, of, uh, of BLM and others that were out there protesting.

Speaker 17 And he started reading the Riot Act. He said, this is not the way we did it.
And I'm sort of sitting back on, and he starts lecturing them, saying, you've got to have a plan.

Speaker 17 You got to have a strategy. And you cannot be violent.
And you cannot condone violence. And he talked about the power, again, moral authority and movements and how movements

Speaker 17 become sustainable.

Speaker 17 And I just reminded of that. It's so important

Speaker 17 that we are reminded of our better angels, and we cannot condone the violence, we cannot allow for that. It hurts the movement, it sets us back, and it's exactly what Trump wants.

Speaker 17 You're just handing it to him, that's what he's looking for. So, he can further command and control, so we can further militarize the streets of the United States.
It's exactly what he wants.

Speaker 17 Let's not give it to him.

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Speaker 18 What's your message to folks who are worried or afraid or scared, who want answers, but they feel like they don't really have them right now? What's your message to them?

Speaker 17 You just keep doing what you're doing. The fact that you're even listening to this means back to, you know, you haven't given up.
The fact that you're still in the game, you still care.

Speaker 17 You still care about your kids. You'll care about your family, your community, this nation, the world we're trying to build.

Speaker 17 You know, look,

Speaker 17 this is the moment. I mean, we're in it.
We are in it. And it goes in two directions.
We can roll over.

Speaker 17 We can let him succeed. We can watch this 250-year experiment completely collapse on itself.
But we also have incredible power and resilience to push back. And so I just, I pray, I mean this.

Speaker 17 It's not a... politician saying this, man.
I got four kids. And, you know, and I know we're out of time, but I'm not making this up.
I was with a 12-year-old. I got a 12-year-old daughter.

Speaker 17 I was with a 12-year-old the other day down in Oxnard, California. And I can't unsee this.
I can't unexperience this.

Speaker 17 Both of his parents were snatched from him. 20 plus years going to the same fields in Oxnard.
He was born here. It's a sixth grader.
Tears rolling down, I mean, streaming down.

Speaker 17 He couldn't even look me in the face because every time he tried to talk, he just started to break down.

Speaker 17 That's Donald Trump's America. He took his mom and dad.
We just found his mom. They just found his mom in a detention facility.
He was left with nobody. He has no brothers and sisters.

Speaker 17 There was no one to take care of him that night. That's, and Donald Trump is trying to tear this country apart.
He's going after blue cities. He's going after blue states.

Speaker 17 He's not the president of the United States. He's asserting himself exclusively as the president of red states.
And we cannot allow that to happen, but we can't turn into him, is my long-winded point.

Speaker 17 Don't turn in to him. We're better than that.
Everyone wants to be loved. Everyone needs to be loved.
We all want to be protected. We all want to be connected and we all want to be respected.

Speaker 17 And so I just, I pray that people recognize that we're all better off. We're all better off.
We're all in this together. Divorce is not a damn option.
I'll keep going on.

Speaker 17 I'm just saying, man, don't give up.

Speaker 18 Divorce is not a damn option.

Speaker 17 Don't give up. And yes, divorce is not an option.
And so I'm just counting on people. And, you know, again, I say that just selfishly as a dad.
And so I just appreciate anybody that tuned in.

Speaker 17 And thank you for tuning up in terms of being accountable to this moment. Society becomes how we behave.
We are our behaviors. Bottom line.

Speaker 17 It's not things are not happening to us. They're happening with us.
And so we have the ability to manifest a better future. It's decisions, not conditions.

Speaker 17 So I think everybody, let's make the wise choices choices and let's not give in to this cynicism and let's keep at it.

Speaker 18 You heard it here first, Governor. Thank you so much for coming on.
Go subscribe to the governor's substack. This was amazing.
Hope to have you again soon.

Speaker 17 I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on.
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