E573 Morgan Wallen

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Speaker 1 Today's guest made me feel welcome when I got here to Tennessee.

Speaker 1 He's arguably the most popular musician on the planet. He's the East Tennessee Elvis, baby.
He's,

Speaker 1 you know, what he is. I mean, he's so prolific.
He's very competitive. And

Speaker 1 I admire his attention to detail.

Speaker 1 Today's guest is one of a kind, Mr.

Speaker 2 Morgan Wallace.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, good to see you, bro.

Speaker 2 Good to see you too, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's awesome, man.

Speaker 1 What's been going on? Yeah, my mom was visiting for my birthday. We went to the Opry.

Speaker 2 You did? Yeah. Cool, man.
It was cool, dude.

Speaker 1 Trace Atkins.

Speaker 2 Does she come up here a lot or no?

Speaker 1 No, she hadn't been here since I moved here.

Speaker 2 It was your birthday? Yeah. Oh, happy birthday.
Yeah, thanks. When is your birthday?

Speaker 1 Two days ago, March 19th.

Speaker 2 Okay, cool. So? Yeah.
My parents are in town as well, but I'm trying to get them to move here.

Speaker 1 Oh, you are?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm working on that. That's been going on for the last few weeks now.
So we'll see. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, your dad's so funny, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's the man.

Speaker 1 He's unreal. Dude, because we went on, what was we went with? Is it Morgan Wallen, the foundation, Morgan Wallen Foundation? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Up there at the Greenville area.

Speaker 1 Yeah, during the flood stuff. Yeah, during Hurricane Helene, yeah, and your dad came, and um, it was awesome, man.

Speaker 1 They had the food truck, they had, you know, they were doing food drives, and um, I met some people up there and visited the houses and stuff. That was awesome, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 That was uh, that was a cool day, man. It was, I wish, I wish we did stuff more like that more often, you know.

Speaker 1 I guess we could, but well, I think that's why, I mean, you have a foundation that can do it when you're not able to do it for sure, but yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 It feels like it feels good to actually get out and do it yourself, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it can be, it can be a little stressful, you know, you gotta, you got to keep it timed up right to where you're not sticking around in one place too long and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 You know, you got to be a little tactful about it, but

Speaker 2 it's good.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And Tony Vitello, is that his name?

Speaker 2 Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 He came out. He's the best.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's cool too, man. Dude, he's cool.
He always helps with stuff involving our foundation, and we stay in touch on a regular basis. We all do.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I tried to invite him to

Speaker 2 a bracket the other day. I was like, you're probably not allowed to do this, are you? He said, no.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 That's that. I'm in that bracket, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. I tried to invite him into that bracket.

Speaker 1 You and me are tired right now.

Speaker 2 I think we're at first. Yeah, we are.
I saw that.

Speaker 2 I checked this morning.

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah, one thing that was crazy about your dad, though, he was fasting whenever we were doing that. That's right.
He'd been on a 40-day fast.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's done that for like as long as I can remember. I remember him like when I was growing up, he would just go and like stay out in the

Speaker 2 wild, you know, in a tent or something and just drink apple juice or something. I'm like, like, dude,

Speaker 2 how is this possible?

Speaker 1 You know, that doesn't sound like that. That sounds like hiding from your wife.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.
He needed some space. Didn't have enough money to get a trailer or something.

Speaker 1 But that was, I just didn't, because it was crazy because I'd just been looking into fasting because people say, like, if you fast, it'll help like eat away the cancer cells that are in your body.

Speaker 1 So when he was like, I've been on 40 days.

Speaker 2 Well, they say that that only takes like a couple days to do that, what you're talking about, right? Yeah. Like if you fast for a couple of days, it'll do that.
Yeah. I think.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, no, that's right Once you get past 48 hours, yeah, I think what he was doing it for was

Speaker 2 spiritual purposes. That's what he used to do it for.
And that's probably what he's doing it for now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, a team of researchers from MSK has shown for the first time that fasting can reprogram the metabolism of natural killer cells, helping them to survive in the harsh environment in and around tumors while improving their cancer fighting ability.

Speaker 1 But it just blew my mind. I was like, God, this dude's on 40 days.
Put this dude back in the Bible.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, dude,

Speaker 2 I don't understand how that's that's physically possible you know i've i pretty much have been for the last little while fasting till you know noon i'll do i'll do my workout and like everything in the first part of the day without eating yeah but i can't imagine going a whole day without doing that to be honest he's got some bandwidth on him man yeah he's a pretty strong willed guy He's always so chipper, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I just, I'd love getting to hang out with him. That was probably, and he tells stories from being in the military and stuff.
Some of that stuff is bonkers.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Some of that stuff ain't going to be repeated on here.

Speaker 2 he makes me look calm dude that's the crazy part you start talking to him you're like oh well some of this checks out for sure it checks out we don't need a dna test in this family um but you said they're moving down here yeah i'm trying to get them to um we'll see how it goes but i'm working on it i've been talking to him about it for a while um

Speaker 2 but you know just Somebody uprooting their entire life to come somewhere. But me and my sister live down here.

Speaker 2 It's a tricky, you know, it's always tricky getting stuff like that to happen, but we're working on it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot, man.

Speaker 1 Is it, I know you have a son, Indy O.

Speaker 2 Indy, yeah. His name's Indigo, what I call him Indy.

Speaker 1 Indy, right. What's that been like, dude? Because that's been probably one of the biggest things in your life, I'm sure.
I mean, outside of your, I mean, like, yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 I don't even know how to ask that question.

Speaker 2 I think it just gets better and better as, you know, the older he gets. I mean, it's always been cool, but, you know, when he's, he's four years old now.
He'll be five this year.

Speaker 2 Just the personality that keeps coming out and the relationship that you build, you know, and he's, he's got a little, he's got a little sass on him.

Speaker 2 Like he's got a, he's got a little attitude, you know, which is, I like, I like that spunk, you know? Like

Speaker 2 yesterday, my dad was telling him, uh,

Speaker 2 he was trying to get him to eat. It's a, it's kind of a task to get him to eat, to sit still long enough to eat, you know?

Speaker 2 And my dad was like, hey, man, if you don't eat, I'm going to

Speaker 2 put you in the bedroom. You got to go to sleep or whatever.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know exactly what my dad said to him, but he looked at my dad and he said, I don't want you to stay here anymore all day, brother. Wow.

Speaker 2 But I just,

Speaker 2 I mean, like, it's just hilarious, you know.

Speaker 1 And then behind your dad, you're telling him, like,

Speaker 2 oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 Just anything to keep him, keep him rocking, but he's a, he's a sweetheart. But whenever you get him, yeah, oh, yeah.
He, uh, he's almost too sweet.

Speaker 2 He, he's too nice to everyone, like, people he doesn't know, you know? Yeah. I'm like, hey, man.

Speaker 2 We don't like everybody, man.

Speaker 2 We don't know these people, man.

Speaker 1 Stranger danger, baby.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to teach him a little bit of that.

Speaker 1 He's got, he's wild, definitely. He emailed me the other day asking me to send him some Zins.
I was like, dude, you got to.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I couldn't believe he figured out how to get a hold of the iPad like that.

Speaker 2 I'm not really big on letting him, you know, sit around with an iPad, but I guess he got my nieces or something.

Speaker 2 She probably had him send

Speaker 2 her send the email, you know. Hey, Haven, type this out for me.

Speaker 1 Threes or sixes.

Speaker 2 Does he? Yeah, yeah. Does he have a lot?

Speaker 2 Threes or sixes. I just downgraded to the threes, man.

Speaker 2 I'm weaning myself off. Are you? I don't know.
I might just be putting two in.

Speaker 1 That's just a little bit of mouth math, homie. Yeah,

Speaker 1 but you'll see a dude with like 11 threes, and I'm like, bitch, just get a damn 20 or something.

Speaker 2 That's like Andrew. Oh, yeah.
Your cousin? Yes. Yes.
He'll have a multitude in there.

Speaker 2 He's only only on the citrus, though.

Speaker 1 He's hilarious, dude.

Speaker 1 I'll ask you about him in a little bit, man.

Speaker 1 Does your son have like a favorite song of yours or anything?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a song that's not out yet. Like this album that I've been working on, this is the first time where he's, it seems like he's really starting to put two and two together, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 I would come home after I'd been writing and I'd show him songs this time. This is the first time that he's ever cared, you know, and I was, there's a song called Eyes Are Closed on my record.

Speaker 2 and I brought it home that night. You know, we wrote it that day and took it home that night, and I was just playing it.

Speaker 2 I wasn't really playing it for him, I just had it kind of played in the background because it was my first time hearing the demo of what we had just done that day.

Speaker 2 And he was in the background, and he kind of, you know, moseyed on over there and started being like, What's this? You know, and then after it was done, he said, I like that song, Daddy. Really?

Speaker 2 And it was like the first time he had ever done that, you know, so it was a special moment for me, something I'll never forget. And he said, Play that again, you know, and I was like, damn,

Speaker 2 this song's a hit for me, no matter what, you know. So, um,

Speaker 2 that was the first time I had really seen him

Speaker 2 like all those, you know, dots start connecting. Yeah,

Speaker 2 I bet that's special for a while. He uh, he thought that sold by John Michael McGummer, he thought that was me singing.
He thought he was like, Play daddy's fast song.

Speaker 2 He called it the fast song, sold in the lady, and it's like, I'm wrong, you know, you know,

Speaker 2 he thought that was me singing. I said, damn, man.

Speaker 2 I mean, that dude sounds pretty good, but come on.

Speaker 1 And then he's just bidding on pigs at his daycare.

Speaker 1 Probably. Allowing nine in the ground to can.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, dude. He called it the fast song, and I had to finally broke it to him.
I said, that ain't me, dude.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. And the email he sent me, he's like, Yeah, you need to listen to my father's hit, Cotton Eyed Joe, as well.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Well, we are from Knoxville, you know.
He's seen that sign a few times.

Speaker 1 That checks out, man.

Speaker 1 As you make more music, so the new album, I'm the problem. Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 As you make more music, because you have been so like prolific, I think that's the word. What does prolific mean?

Speaker 2 I think that's the right word, too. Okay.

Speaker 1 But I don't know if either one of us should be.

Speaker 2 If there were the dictionary, guys. Yeah, yeah, dude, definitely.

Speaker 2 It's like producing much fruit.

Speaker 1 Producing much fruit foliage or offspring, actually, it says.

Speaker 2 I ain't been that prolific in that term, but yeah.

Speaker 1 Presenting one plentiful, it says.

Speaker 1 Producing many works. But does it get tougher to like, okay, how do I have, do I not have a song that sounds that's similar to a song I previously had?

Speaker 1 Because when you have so many songs, does that get a little bit tough or what's that like?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it does, you know?

Speaker 1 Like, has there been a great song that come that's like you guys have put together and then you're like, oh, man, it's just a little too close to this?

Speaker 2 Well, for this album, I feel like I just didn't let it get to that point.

Speaker 2 You know, at least if I was a part of writing it, you know, I think I can't remember exactly how many ones i was and wasn't a part of writing um

Speaker 2 but if a song came in from a like as a pitch i kind of knew immediately i was like oh these people are writing this might have made my last record maybe

Speaker 2 probably not but you know it's like it's like that's what it felt like to me right a lot of the pitches were that yeah because i guess people are just going they don't know where your next step is and who you are there was there was a select group of writers that i kind of you know told a little bit what i was trying to accomplish, you know, and I feel like that really helped me find a certain one of the sounds of that's on my record.

Speaker 2 But for me, when I'm writing, I kind of, you know, you can kind of tell from the idea almost if the song is going to be similar or not, you know, and that was something that was tougher for me because a lot of, you know, a lot of the things that were successful and that were easy in the past were just like whiskey drinking, you know, like all that stuff.

Speaker 2 And I've kind of just almost explored every angle of that that's that's possible, you know, like there's still, there's still

Speaker 2 some possible ways to get get that in there but I tried to I tried to dig deeper man and you know and I and I a lot of my guys that I write with we kind of kept a

Speaker 2 at least for me when I was writing we kept five or six guys we didn't always write together but you know that that kind of core group of guys we we all just had a good good sense of what we were shooting for and just trying not to say the same thing that I've said before and you know incorporating new things so I feel like it was harder you know I had to work harder yeah um

Speaker 1 like what do you mean like find a new angle? Like, drop it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, just finding new angles and just thinking up ideas, you know, and there's, you know,

Speaker 2 or just maybe somebody had an idea and they brought it in. And I'm like, well, that's pretty good.
But like trying to find a way to

Speaker 2 make it

Speaker 2 something different, you know, like it would sound like that would idea would have been on the last record, but maybe I can flip this or flip that into making it something that's more unique, you know?

Speaker 2 So just trying to dig deeper and not just, not just saying, oh, yeah, not just being content with something, you know, just easy. Yeah, just digging deeper.

Speaker 1 because you can kind of yeah it's funny i was talking to um charlie handsome the other night oh dude that guy bro him and marissa is that is marissa yeah marissa yeah bro they're hilarious bro they are hilarious she's so funny dude her like she kind of keeps him in check i feel like it's they're the pairing both of them uh because he's kind of so kind of rough around the edges like i don't maybe that's a crazy it's not a crazy thing to say about him no definitely not i think he'd probably agree with that yeah he's he's just so he's so real.

Speaker 1 He's just, he's a pretty blunt guy.

Speaker 2 Yes. Pretty blunt.
Yes, he is. Which I've always loved that about him.

Speaker 2 You know, when he first got to town, I guess that was probably, shoot, we wrote, if I know me, I mean, that had to be either 17 or 18 when I first met him. Wow.
And

Speaker 2 2017 or 18, not when I was 17 or 18 years old, but

Speaker 2 he kind of,

Speaker 2 I think he came from LA. So he had like this,

Speaker 2 I don't know, I guess it's different out there, you know. If it seems like it's like a dick measuring contest out there a lot, well, people are probably, yeah, yeah, that could be true.

Speaker 2 And I think he had brought a lot of that mindset to Nashville, you know. And whenever we were first writing, I'm like, hey, man, you know,

Speaker 2 you ain't got to be like that, you know? Like,

Speaker 2 it ain't like that here. Yeah.
You know, so we just, and I would give him a hard time when he would be acting like that. I'd always, you know, talk shit and stuff.

Speaker 2 So we just became instant friends, like that kind of friends.

Speaker 1 I can see that 100%, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because what did I say? Oh, he got married, right? And his wife one night, I think that she probably had a cocktail or two and invited me to their wedding, right? Yeah. And I had to work that weekend.

Speaker 1 But I saw pictures. You win, I think Hardy went.
It looked like a good time.

Speaker 2 I mean, it was a beautiful wedding, man. I mean,

Speaker 2 really, really beautiful.

Speaker 1 It was on an island somewhere.

Speaker 2 Yeah, an Islamorada. It was like, you know, you heard of that show, Bloodline?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. It was the house.
It was that compound where that was filmed. Oh, damn.
So it was legit.

Speaker 2 God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but and then so when I saw him, I said, hey, man, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the wedding. He's like, well, you know, we weren't really expecting you there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I don't know if they, I was in the damn wedding.
I don't know if they was expecting me there. I showed up about an hour before it was supposed to start and left before it was over, but I

Speaker 2 was proud to be there, man. It was, it was cool.

Speaker 2 I really appreciated it.

Speaker 1 It was cool. But he's just like, look, man, we don't.
We don't super know each other that good, he said. Right.
But it was so, it was so like just the realest shit ever.

Speaker 1 He's like, and if we become better friends and, you know, and that happens, then, yeah, man, I'd expect you to be at my, you know, if I get divorced or if I, if I do a renew of the vows.

Speaker 2 I said, but I'd expect you to be at my divorce now.

Speaker 1 Dude, it was just like, and I was like, dude, you're so right. I was like, and then it made me want to get to know him more because it was like just cutting through the bullshit.

Speaker 2 I love that. He's definitely that's a definite, that's an accurate way of describing him.

Speaker 1 Which I think is probably what makes him a good songwriter, too, because it's like, you got to like, if you too much bull, it's like, if you can cut through the bullshit.

Speaker 2 Well, yeah, he's, he's, he'll definitely tell you, like,

Speaker 2 or if you're, if you're on something, he's like, man, that sucks, you know?

Speaker 2 And that's what I, I mean, I feel like I have a pretty good gauge of, you know, what's good and what's not, but like, it's, it's nice to have another person in the room who will tell you straight up, you know, because especially when you, when you do get to like, get to this level, people sometimes don't check you the way they should, you know, they'll just let you rock with it and, you know, whatever.

Speaker 1 Damn, dude. No, it's just interesting to hear you say that.

Speaker 1 I had a guy a few years ago. I had taken out a guy.

Speaker 1 We went to lunch and

Speaker 1 he's married and we're both straight, but we went and had lunch together. And

Speaker 2 thanks for clarifying, man.

Speaker 1 But yeah, he was just, he's been like a manager of like some of the most popular comedians over time. And I was talking to him, he goes, well, you kind of have to evolve with your audience.

Speaker 1 He's like, if you, you know, going back to kind of what you said earlier about like, you know, some people probably present songs to you

Speaker 1 that would have been great an album or two ago. It's like, damn, that would have been, but it's like you are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, you can't blame, you know, you can't blame them. You know what I mean? You can't expect them to know what's in your head and what you're going to do next.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and they only have like the footprints that they've seen you leave it so far make that they can even judge on right like i've heard wasted on you i've heard that 2.0 18 000 times you know in you know in my inbox um a lot of them don't even make it to me because it gets snipped before it even gets to me but i've i've heard plenty of them you know oh yeah for sure i understand it but you know you can't you can't settle like that yeah yes but you also don't want to go too far Either because then your fans are like, dude, you know, what's his name?

Speaker 1 What's his name?

Speaker 2 Chris Gaines? Is he just taking a lot of mushrooms or something? You know, like you can get that guy too.

Speaker 1 This manager one time he said, he goes, one thing you have to, you have to evolve with your audience if you try to hide that you're evolving or that you're growing because your audience also grows, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So he's like, if you try, it's, it's, it can be a trap sometimes to try to just

Speaker 1 fit your current feet back in your old footprints. And I just thought it was interesting to hear somebody say that I'd never really thought about because sometimes you're like, oh, this worked.

Speaker 1 And I got to stay right here. But you're not there anymore, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. And I mean, even if it's just subtle changes, it don't have to be like huge things, you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you don't have to come out and do like a Mozart style.

Speaker 2 Right, right. You know, like my last album, I had plenty of trap beats and stuff like that.
This time, I was like, hey, man, let's just, let's tone that back a little bit. I'm tired of it.

Speaker 2 I'm tired of it. I'm tired of hearing it.
So if I'm tired of it, they probably tired of hearing it.

Speaker 2 You know, so just like certain things that you can still get that same swag or that same, you can accomplish certain things without doing the same exact thing.

Speaker 2 So it's just simple stuff like that in some cases.

Speaker 1 Do you feel like you've always had a pretty good

Speaker 1 instinct about that kind of stuff? Like, is that something that you think you really have? Like, you kind of can feel?

Speaker 2 I like to think so, man. I feel like I can tell when something's getting tired, you know?

Speaker 2 And yeah.

Speaker 1 That's a gift, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess so. Maybe God gave me that.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 But I've also, I've also learned from people in my, in my, you know, that I've been around for the last 10 years who have, who I feel like I've learned from and that have helped me with that as well.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't think I was just fully just, I think I had a knack for it already, but I think I've, you know, developed it and learned from people as well. So

Speaker 1 I've always had a tough time like,

Speaker 1 cause I've always been like a do-it-yourself kind of guy. Like I feel like I know what I'm doing, like I work hard, but then recently I've had to like

Speaker 1 realize I need help more. It's like, I can't always give this guy a hard time.
I need it. I need to see, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like I can't always butt up against every wall, you know, because I'll just do that. It's just my nature because I don't want help a lot of times.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Man, that shit has been better.

Speaker 2 That's a big, that's a big deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's been getting better, though, recently. Even just like just little things, I just started noticing it's getting a little bit better.
And it's, and the irony is everything's been easier.

Speaker 1 Yeah. The more I let help come in.

Speaker 2 I think there's certain areas in my life, like with music, I've always kind of, I've been a good teammate.

Speaker 2 I don't know why that is, you know, maybe I've just always

Speaker 2 liked the, I like the

Speaker 2 aspect of feeling like you're on a team, I guess, because I played sports and stuff so much growing up, you know, like for me, I enjoy the camaraderie of making music with my buddies and doing all that stuff, you know, so I've always kind of enjoyed the

Speaker 2 help and the team aspect of that. But there's other areas in my life where I, I'm like you, where I'm like, I don't, you know, whatever.
No, no, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.

Speaker 2 So it's not, it doesn't necessarily permeate throughout my entire life. It's just that one thing where I've been able to do that.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, I'll be sitting in the damn bottom of a hole. There'll be a thousand people out there with rope, and I'll be like, I'm good.

Speaker 2 yeah i'll find i'll find one yeah i'll find

Speaker 2 there's one down there's one down here somewhere

Speaker 2 and they'll be up there and they're like just this dude's an idiot yeah

Speaker 2 yeah you're damn right i am but yeah i'm proud of it too yeah yeah i'm proud of it that's the best part

Speaker 1 is it tough in your life i mean dude your music it's like It's just been such a wave that like, I mean, you couldn't travel around town without seeing every guy at a stoplight, look like, you know, look like a Morgan Wall and look like a like a hear your music everywhere every store like are there moments for you where it's like God this guy's got to tone it like it's like we're almost where you become too much for you like is that ever like you don't does that make any sense yeah no it does um it's it's still it's still weird and there's parts of that that I don't like I mean I think anybody who has to deal with that, it's not ideal.

Speaker 2 It's not ideal to go everywhere. And even if you don't get, get like, you know, bothered,

Speaker 2 you were on edge the whole whole time because you thought you might, it's like, there's just not a lot of,

Speaker 2 there's things that you just don't do. Yeah.
You just don't do them anymore. Yeah.
You know, but that's okay.

Speaker 2 That's why, that's why I've taken up hunting so much, I think, you know, because I can go be with my buddies. I'm in the middle of nowhere.
I can be at ease. I can not stress out.

Speaker 2 You just find ways to supplement it, I think, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's kind of funny.

Speaker 1 You can't really go to a bar anymore because there'd be too much hassle. And it's probably the best thing for you.

Speaker 2 It's definitely the best thing for me. You know, I mean,

Speaker 2 if you, if you're using a bar as a specific example,

Speaker 2 that's definitely the best thing for me. I ain't been in a bar since since

Speaker 2 the last time I was in a bar

Speaker 2 that everybody knows about.

Speaker 1 How is that? That feels like a bar right there.

Speaker 2 It does.

Speaker 2 It sounds like an old country song for sure.

Speaker 2 But yeah,

Speaker 2 that's the most public time I was in a bar. That's the last time I was in a bar.

Speaker 1 Dude, have you seen those?

Speaker 1 There's an AI bar thing that makes country songs. There's one about a bar.
You got to see if you can pull it up,

Speaker 1 Trevin.

Speaker 2 Is it good?

Speaker 1 Dude, it's pretty funny. Let me see.

Speaker 1 This shit kind of surprised me.

Speaker 1 One of them's about. Oh, it's the right one, kitchen.
And the second one right there with the guy and the lady in the truck. Yeah.
Turn that up for a second. It's just ridiculous.

Speaker 2 Look, change it to whiskey and have Morgan Wallen sing it.

Speaker 2 That's one of the number one comments.

Speaker 1 Hey, start it back over and just turn it up a little bit. We can't hear it, but this is just like AI made this.

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Speaker 2 What are you listening to right now man i know everybody asks that uh it's a good question i've been trying to find new stuff to listen to i don't find a whole lot of new stuff to listen to i've been listening to like old i don't mostly only listen to music if i'm driving or if i'm working out that's about the only time i listen to music which i do those things a decent amount you know kind of same man that's kind of when i do it yeah um

Speaker 1 stephen wilson i've been listening to yeah he's he's good He's really good. He's a great lyricist.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 He's a special talent.

Speaker 1 That song about his My Father's Son. Hardy played that one with him.
God, that's good.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that guy is really, really good.

Speaker 1 Zach Topp's voice is really amazing.

Speaker 2 I don't listen to country music a whole lot. I think I've always kind of been that way.

Speaker 2 I know who Zach Topp is, and I do agree.

Speaker 2 He's very solid.

Speaker 1 Jesse Murph, Big X the Plug. You've heard that song?

Speaker 1 No. They have a collab.
It's pretty dope.

Speaker 2 That's cool. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 Me and Big X, we almost did a song.

Speaker 2 But I don't know.

Speaker 2 I actually sent him a song, and he didn't finish it. So I don't know.
That's on him.

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 I guess I don't know what he was doing he was in jail did he

Speaker 2 for what not not a long time not long enough not I went to jail too

Speaker 1 hey if you behind bars write a couple yeah

Speaker 2 um no it was kind of spur of the moment thing though I got a song on my record called Miami and I haven't heard that one yet.

Speaker 1 They sent me a couple of the songs.

Speaker 2 Did they? Yeah, it's a song. Yeah, Miami.
It's like a it's a it's a Keith Whitley flip. So it's like an old, you know, Miami, Miami, that song.
Have you ever heard that? Miami,

Speaker 2 Miami,

Speaker 2 what took you so long? I thought you never recall.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 1 oh no, I never seen it.

Speaker 2 People talk about

Speaker 2 that's one of his like bigger type songs, I guess. But we flipped it and turned it into more of like a it's a little more like rap style.

Speaker 2 But um,

Speaker 2 it's cool, man. I like it.
Yeah, it's cool. It seemed like it could use a rapper on there.
Um, it, I didn't end up using a feature. We ended up just making a second verse.
But

Speaker 2 it's one of those songs where it wouldn't be surprising if we got like a remix and did that. You know what I mean? Once it's out and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 You're famous, like you guys had this whole tan, like these different walkouts that you did over the years, right? Really funny. Thanks for letting me be part of the one in Nashville.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Do you have a favorite one that kind of stood out to you? And no judgment to any of them. What was it?

Speaker 2 I mean, Nealon Stadium is. Oh, yeah.
You know, that's my home. That's where I grew up watching.

Speaker 1 those pads on.

Speaker 2 Peyton, that one was really good. The baseball team one we did was really good too.
But that Peyton one,

Speaker 2 that was, that was one of the, you know, it's hard to beat.

Speaker 2 Anything that happened those two nights at that stadium, I find myself just being like, yeah, that's, that's pretty those, those are like the, you know, some of the best memories I've had. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's so sick.

Speaker 1 He's so.

Speaker 2 He came out looking like he was actually about to go play with his

Speaker 2 facial expressions and stuff.

Speaker 1 Hey, I think half the the boosters wanted to sign some some boosters i think we're trying to holler at him probably

Speaker 2 hey man you got another year of eligibility we'll find something out

Speaker 2 uh yeah man that was special dude so cool yeah but the walkouts are they're just the energy that comes from those it just could last you i mean maybe not the entire show but it'll last you a while you know and then once you get out there and compound the energy that comes along with the actual show it's just it's a it's a rush.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's that coach right there that we put that water on.

Speaker 2 Yeah, hypo? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, he's thugging. He's big thugging right there.

Speaker 2 He was, dude.

Speaker 1 What else has happened?

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 1 you have your fet.

Speaker 1 The first time you're going to play your new album will be at Santa My Boots Fest.

Speaker 2 I'll play some of my album there. Okay.

Speaker 2 You know, the album comes out on the 16th. I play on the 18th.

Speaker 2 I'll probably, I'll play some of the new stuff.

Speaker 2 That's another thing, man. It's hard to, it's hard picking set list at this point, too.
Oh, you know, that gets real tricky.

Speaker 1 Do you do that yourself? You kind of organize it?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 me and my band do it together.

Speaker 2 You know, it's

Speaker 2 a lot of it's

Speaker 2 a lot of it's data driven, you know, because you can see, you know, which songs people, the majority of people want to hear. Like,

Speaker 2 you're always going to miss somebody's favorite song. You're probably going to miss my favorite song you know in in some in some sets

Speaker 2 um just trying to figure out a way this year since i'm you know i'm only playing 20 shows so probably

Speaker 2 if i can try to figure out a way to not play the same set list all the time you know because last year i i interchanged a a couple but i think it's going to be i'm going to make a bigger effort to try to make the set list different for at least each night you know maybe not every single show be a different set list but like night one night two Yeah.

Speaker 2 Because we're playing two nights in each place. So night, you know, trying to separate the two nights as far as music goes should be, should be interesting because we've never done that before.

Speaker 2 We would always just do like maybe change one or two songs. You know, I'm thinking maybe a little more than that.

Speaker 1 So I like that. Yeah, that way, if he wanted to come for both nights, too, they could and hear different stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and a lot of people already do come both nights, so that would be nice for them, too. Yeah.
There's really no way to do it perfectly. Somebody's going to be disappointed or, you know,

Speaker 1 at any point, oh, he didn't play this song or he didn't play that song but trying our best i'm not going to play for four hours either so you know yeah you got to keep it within reason we got to meet in the middle guys yeah yeah i'll do my best like i don't want to sing for four hours you know i'll uh two hours about maybe a little longer two hours you put it on man i like my show like i'll be out there for maybe about an hour and 15 minutes is probably the sweet spot for me to be on stage i think with a comedian where they're just because we don't have any backup instruments so people are like fuck somebody tapping a violin or something with this bastard.

Speaker 2 You know, people get a little bit tired of it.

Speaker 1 But I can't, and that burns me out, man. I used to do two shows.
Now I only do one a night. But I can't imagine.

Speaker 2 But you used to do two shows in one night. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Back to back? Yeah.

Speaker 1 When you first started as a company.

Speaker 2 I think I remember you telling me that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think like even whenever I first came to town, you guys came one night and saw me over at Zane's, man. That was cool.
And you came and did my podcast early, man, and that helped me.

Speaker 1 It helped give me some

Speaker 1 just support in the community.

Speaker 2 I didn't even realize it was early because to me, I'd been listening to you for like a little while, you know, so I already knew you and knew about you and knew your story and everything.

Speaker 2 So it wasn't like, hey, come do this weird new guys podcast. I already knew who you were.

Speaker 1 Well, it was just support, you know, it was nice to have some support right when I got into talent.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, no, I'm glad we got to do it, man. Damn, that was in 2020.
Was it really? God.

Speaker 2 Dang, bro.

Speaker 1 Look how happy you were.

Speaker 2 I think I got... I'm joking, dude.

Speaker 1 We both look happy. That's the pictures we picked.
I look like I'm in pain. You look like you just came from the dentist.

Speaker 2 I look so white.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 we had bad lighting there.

Speaker 2 Golly.

Speaker 2 We bought some better lighting.

Speaker 2 Looking pasty, boy.

Speaker 1 What's up with the free time now? So you go hunting. Where do you guys like to go?

Speaker 2 Well, all over the place, man. I got a farm outside of town that we've been planting and

Speaker 2 getting all the agriculture right.

Speaker 2 I don't think you've been to my farm, have you?

Speaker 1 Oh, no, I've never just been to your house.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, you just been to my house, I believe. But yeah, so we got we got deer and turkeys down there.
Oh, yeah. So that's that's pretty much what it's geared towards.

Speaker 2 It's a really good we we bought it. It was already a really good uh turkey farm.
And then we've just been adding a lot of the agriculture and all that stuff to try to make it a better deer farm.

Speaker 1 What makes a good setup like that?

Speaker 2 Like, what's the best way to make a setup where it's challenging to the hunter, but also like I mean, it's always going to be challenging when deer hunting, just you know, because you only get get to kill two two bucks in a in a season in a state, you know, so you're not you're not just gonna go out there and shoot everything you see.

Speaker 2 Oh, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Like you you may let a really good deer walk because you're trying to get a better, you know that there's a better deer in the area or you believe there's a better deer in the area, you know, like we have cameras and stuff now, so we can kind of take inventory on stuff, but

Speaker 2 you're not you don't I think people I don't know what people think about hunting, but like you don't just go out there and just massacre animals, you know, like you're not out there with a handgun or nothing.

Speaker 2 No, but I mean, it's uh,

Speaker 2 it's interesting. I mean, the main thing is food, you know, food and bedding.
That's that's really all that's what those are the two main things that you need to have a good hunting farm. Okay.

Speaker 2 As long as you got the type of bedding that they want and preferably the type of food that they want, then you're going to keep those deer on your farm because they ain't going to, they don't need to leave to go find either one of those.

Speaker 2 Right, they're happy. So they'll stay in their home range and they'll stay there and you can grow them.
You know, like we don't want to you at least try to get them to be five years old

Speaker 2 And that's that's minimum that what we want to do

Speaker 2 You know depending on where you're at in the country people will let them get older It's it's a little different I think depending on your land depending because you know like if you if you spend all this time and money and then you got your neighbor who if your deer walks across to their property line, they might shoot it before you you were planning on shooting it.

Speaker 2 So, you know, it's a little bit of a, it can be a little bit of a game.

Speaker 1 So there can be property beef, property line beef like that.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. There's all kinds of that going on.
Damn, honey. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of hunting property line beef.

Speaker 1 And what about reindeer? Do you ever see reindeer out there or not?

Speaker 2 I personally came across one.

Speaker 2 My son did just get a reindeer call, and one of my buddies from Alabama made him a reindeer call.

Speaker 1 No wait for Christmas?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's hilarious.
That's cool.

Speaker 1 Bro, you got to use that with him. That's pretty cool.
Imagine that, dude. You're a kid, and you think it was a nice reindeer call, you're bringing insanity, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he thinks that's what he's doing. I mean, that's that would be, I don't even think he's actually tried it.
Like, he uh,

Speaker 2 I guess that was probably last

Speaker 2 Christmas, so he's just he's came, he's just got a lot of new interest and stuff this year.

Speaker 2 So, I think I was, I came home this past weekend, and I was working on my turkey call just in my mouth, you know, and he, he was trying to like mimic me and stuff. It was, it was a lyric mistake.

Speaker 2 He's just screaming, basically.

Speaker 2 is it fun to watch him kind of grow like what has it been interesting is there moments where you see him learn something and you almost see him learn it like does that kind of happen yeah it's cool like i i've been working on him on how to catch and stuff you know i've just been using like a a soft basketball that i've got one of those you know just basketball goals you hang up on the door and oh yeah so much fun

Speaker 2 i use it more than him still yeah

Speaker 2 um you're just making him rebound

Speaker 2 yeah every time i'm on a phone i'll just put my headphones in and just start shooting for like 30 minutes.

Speaker 2 Since it's been cold, especially. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I just,

Speaker 2 you know, when I first, when we first started, he couldn't do it. And then, you know, a couple of weeks later, he's like catching and, you know, he can catch a bounce pass now.

Speaker 2 You know, it's just like, just seeing those things progress in such a short period of time is cool.

Speaker 1 Does it make you have a different appreciation for your own dad, or is it adjusted y'all's relationship any, you think? Is that a weird question to ask?

Speaker 2 No, it's not a weird question. I think,

Speaker 2 yeah, I i think it probably does you know i mean me and my dad we butted heads a lot growing up especially once i got to high school just because i was i was you were you i was kind of ridiculous and i think

Speaker 2 he was kind of ridiculous when he was that when he was that age too so he was just trying to

Speaker 2 hey don't be like me when i was that age you know like i know what this turns i know how this ends usually so we just butted heads i didn't you know you don't believe anything your parents say when you're that's the last person you want to believe it's so crazy it's not even possible i i it wasn't possible in my head to believe that that's That's crazy to think now.

Speaker 2 I'm like, damn, they were right. But in my head, it was not physically possible to think that they could be right.

Speaker 1 It just wasn't. It's kind of crazy because, like, oh, these two people that love me and care and raise me this far, they're trying to ruin my life.

Speaker 2 They're trying to ruin my life. Yeah, that's what you think.
It's wild. Totally.
It's insane, really. But

Speaker 2 that's what I thought. But yeah, I mean, after, you know, I moved out.
And

Speaker 2 once I really, once I think I got moved down here to Nashville, that's when we became even closer. Yeah.
Closer than ever. Cause I moved here pretty young.
You know, I was 22 when I moved here. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 1 almost been here 10 years coming up.

Speaker 2 So it's, I think just having that space and then just being able to, you get older too, you know, and just oh, that's the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, shit, none of that other shit even matters.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, you may, maybe you could have went about it a little different or whatever. You know, but like the intentions were right.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, I just got to spend time with my mom. It's like a lot of my life, it's like I'm waiting for my mom to like show me certain attention or affection or something.

Speaker 1 The other night, we're just sitting there We're watching at the opera and she went there like 40 years ago or something, you know, and

Speaker 1 And I'm like it's kind of stupid, but I just reached over and grabbed my mom's hand, you know cuz it's like it's not about me being a kid anymore It's just about me being she's an older woman now So it's like let me just be an adult and almost act like I'm the parent, you know, I'm not the parent now, but let me I don't know, it's an old part of me, like a child part of me would be like, oh man, it's my brother.

Speaker 1 I wish my mom would, you know, pat me on the back, just do something, you know, show me a little bit of love or something.

Speaker 1 But then I just just grabbed her hand and then we just watched it together and it was like me kind of i don't know it was a little moment for me where i was like i'm not going to be that old

Speaker 2 grudge i'm just going to move forward you know that's cool yeah but it was just interesting or i just or just to give my mom a hug while we're sitting there you know just like yeah you know me and my mom my mom always we always had like a super super good relationship she was always loving and stuff you know so i i just i felt all that for my mom but me and my dad you know like i said we butted heads so it was more of just getting past that phase in my life But

Speaker 2 I didn't,

Speaker 2 once that phase was over, it was over. Right.
To me, you know,

Speaker 2 I don't have any sort of hard feelings towards it.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Dude, your dad is so funny, dude.
Right when I see him, my face just fucking smiled.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 Me too. He's just energetic.
Chipper, you said he was chipper.

Speaker 1 That's the right word for him. And he's been fasting for like 700 days.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 at this point, I don't know. Oh, wow.
He ain't fasting. He ain't fasting right now.
I've been seeing this man eat during this trip. He's been down here.
He ain't fasting. Don't let him lie to you.

Speaker 2 Because I've been basically, I've been, you know, eating clean and stuff, trying to get ready for tour and all that. And they're, you know, bribing me with all these hamburgers and stuff.

Speaker 2 I'm like, man, go cook that somewhere else.

Speaker 1 What a, what about motorcycling? You, you, you got a motorcycle. I remember last episode you were talking about.
Did you get one?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 1 Oh, you have a Harley hat on today. I do, yeah.
Gang, gang. That's nice, dude.

Speaker 2 It's a, I got this off some like vintage thing. Yeah, that's tough, too.
Um,

Speaker 2 Yeah, man,

Speaker 2 I enjoy it. You do? Yeah, which I kind of had ridden dirt bikes and stuff a little bit, you know, enough to understand my way around a bike already.
Right.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 me and Cody and TD and a few of a few other of us, a few others, we all got bikes.

Speaker 1 Get that shit. I'll buy the cologne, whatever they're selling right there.

Speaker 2 It does look like that.

Speaker 1 It really does, huh? Exhaust by Morgan Wall.

Speaker 2 Exhaust.

Speaker 2 smells like a fart that wouldn't be a bad cologne dude smells like morgan walland's farts man

Speaker 1 or what if you hit you had a blow to start that what if you had a

Speaker 2 one of those breath things on

Speaker 2 i'm surprised i don't i'm surprised anybody ever had a motorbike that has that on it i'm sure they have

Speaker 2 I'm surprised I don't have that on every vehicle I've got. Shout out to Davidson County.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, man. That's all right.

Speaker 1 No, that's a handsome picture, man. That looks nice.
That looks, man. But you get out there.

Speaker 2 I like it because it's like

Speaker 2 you got your helmet on. Nobody knows who you are.

Speaker 2 You get out there. You got to focus on it too.
You got to be, you ain't on your phone. You know, you ain't doing anything else.
You're just thinking about what you got to do on that bike. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I enjoy that aspect of it a lot. You like.

Speaker 2 At least me, I physically can't do anything else other than think about what's going on on this bike.

Speaker 1 Be locked in. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I like that aspect of it a lot.

Speaker 2 You know, you'll be riding and all of a sudden it's five hours have gone by and you just don't realize really that that happened yeah damn i gotta get out there sometime i'm just so bad i'm bad at being in motion well that might not be for you then yeah

Speaker 2 i'm better i'm better

Speaker 1 what do you mean wait what do you mean keep going i'm bad at just like being in motion and having to think at the same time i'm more of a stop and think

Speaker 1 than move what do you what are we thinking about though just anything whatever the next thing has to be it's just hard for me like i get i just, I think.

Speaker 2 You can just be in the back of the line, though, then. Yeah, yeah.
I'll be in the front. You can just follow us.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would be a good.
Yeah, I don't want to be at the front.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
Or the middle. The middle is probably the safest anyway.
You can be in the middle. Because you're protected in the back.

Speaker 2 You're protected in the front. You don't have to make any decisions.
You just follow the decisions.

Speaker 1 That's where I need to be then.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You should take, what's Harry? You should go take Harry's motorcycle class.
That's who we took our class from. Really? He was a good? Yeah.
I mean, I learned things I didn't know. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 it wasn't easy necessarily either. You know, there were things that were challenging.

Speaker 1 Do y'all go in a pack when y'all go out there?

Speaker 2 I've ridden a couple of times by myself, but I would have somebody following me, you know, like my security or just anyone.

Speaker 2 But we mostly just ride at least in groups of two. Yeah.
A lot of times groups of four.

Speaker 1 That's tough, man. Yeah, maybe I'll have to get out there.

Speaker 2 I got to pray about that. Yeah, I don't want to.
Don't let me. I'm not influencing you at all.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, thank you. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't want to be out there just like listening.

Speaker 2 I'm the problem. You just get in the sidecar.

Speaker 2 Me and you drive a little German sidecar.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, your cousin Andrew and I are friends, man. Yeah.
He's a class, dude. He is, okay.
Your family is funny, dude.

Speaker 2 You got a lot of characters in our family.

Speaker 1 That's what you have, dude. Even when I remember when you first told me, I met you about your uncle David or somebody coming to the holidays.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 And then just different people you would tell me and then getting to meet your dad. And then, yeah, Andrew and I become friends over the years.
He's he's hilarious, dude.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he definitely is hilarious.

Speaker 1 Went fishing with him. He fucked, dude.
That dude will, he'll put a damn, he'll start fishing anywhere. You pass by a Chase Bank and he'll cast over there.

Speaker 1 What are you trying to catch, man? Frog top on there just because there's a bank.

Speaker 2 He'll catch a damn,

Speaker 1 he'll catch a safe deposit box over there at the 12 pound, brother.

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 1 But he, dude, he's just good. He took us out to some property, him and Ben Weppern, I think is the guy's name.

Speaker 2 Yeah, Ben.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And

Speaker 1 we had a blast, man, but he's good.

Speaker 2 Where'd y'all go to Hohenwall?

Speaker 1 No, we went to...

Speaker 1 Oh, you went to Ease?

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 We went to Ease, and it was cool, though. I hadn't been there.
God, that's beautiful.

Speaker 2 That place is immaculate. God.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was good. He got some big fishing there.

Speaker 2 It's a beautiful spot, man. But does he home with you? Does he hunt? Does Andrew home with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Some. He does.
Yeah, I like hunting with him.

Speaker 2 You know, he works for Field and Stream, so he travels a lot doing that job, which I think is a really good job for him.

Speaker 1 He loves it, man. Yeah.
Yeah, he's talented, but he's hilarious, dude.

Speaker 2 That's pretty much it. We all keep telling him he should have his own YouTube channel or something.

Speaker 1 Really should, bro.

Speaker 2 Just a series of some sort. And just the things that happened to that guy.
I'm like, dude.

Speaker 2 I don't know how this has occurred to you, but you know, the world deserves to hear this. Yeah, that's a good thing.

Speaker 2 The world deserves to share in your pain that you're dealing with right now.

Speaker 2 Because the things that happen to him are just unbelievable, man.

Speaker 1 Bro, he's just such a good story. Yeah, he's, bro, he has been, getting to know him has been a gift, man.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he is a true.

Speaker 2 He's a treasure, man.

Speaker 2 He's a national treasure. He's a buried treasure, too.
I mean,

Speaker 2 he is buried right now.

Speaker 2 We keep, I mean,

Speaker 2 maybe he'll take this and he'll watch this clip and go start his channel, you know?

Speaker 1 He's entertaining. Yeah, man.
He's just entertaining. He's e to e to be around.
And yeah, that film and stream job with him is perfect. And he could do both.

Speaker 2 He could have that job and do, you know, I could almost find a way to put them together.

Speaker 1 But you that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 It could be a part of the same thing.

Speaker 1 You couldn't find a guy that's more perfect for that.

Speaker 1 Has there been something nice that you kind of got yourself as a gift that you started, you know, feeling like you were doing pretty well? And

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 1 a tribute took or anything?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 I used to be probably a little more frugal than I am right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, same. I don't like, I don't like going to get stuck.
I don't like shopping for stuff, too.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm trying to think if there's anything that I was just really splurged out on. You know, I got a couple of watches and just things like that, but, and I got a

Speaker 2 couple nice cars. I mean, I don't, I don't feel like I'm over-the-top big spender guy.
Yeah. You know, in a lot of times.

Speaker 1 What was your first car? Do you remember it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was a Jeep Cherokee.

Speaker 1 Was it really, dude? I got a freaking Jeep Cherokee, dude.

Speaker 2 You do right now?

Speaker 1 Yeah, Yeah, in Los Angeles, I have a car there. It's got like only 12,000 miles on it.

Speaker 2 Oh, this thing had a lot more than 12,000 miles on it. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 2 It was a white Jeep Grand Cherokee. I think it was a 95, if I'm remembering correctly.

Speaker 1 Dude, I like those cars.

Speaker 2 It was not a bad car.

Speaker 2 I mean, it wasn't whoever had it. It wasn't the most.
It was like that right there. That's exactly what it looked like.

Speaker 1 Oh, those bitches were tough, dude. It's exactly what it looked like.
Yeah, I had them Ford Escort, 84 Ford Escort. Pull that bitch up, dude.

Speaker 1 If they'll even allow you, sometimes Google won't let you look at them anymore. Them bitches are visually outlawed.

Speaker 1 Bro, that shit will crawl. It'll remodel your eye line when you look at that bitch, dude.
God damn, that bitch looks horrible. I hadn't looked at it in a few years.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 yeah, that's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 Especially that one on the right, that blue one. God,

Speaker 2 that one pulled up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, and barely pulled up.

Speaker 2 That bitch pulled up slow, dude.

Speaker 2 It's got a two-cylinder in it.

Speaker 2 Bro, it had a fucking

Speaker 2 outboard motor engine.

Speaker 2 You had to steer it like with the reverse way. Like you have to do a John boat.
Yeah, it had a boat motor in it.

Speaker 2 Steered it from the back.

Speaker 2 And dude, somebody stole my passenger seat in that bitch.

Speaker 1 Really? Yeah, so if you had.

Speaker 2 Was it only a two-seater anyway?

Speaker 1 No, it had three extra little seats in the back. Okay, okay.
But they weren't even a bench. It was three individual little b seats.

Speaker 2 Tables. Three booster seats right there?

Speaker 2 You either had to have three kids that were triplets, I guess, or a couple small buddies.

Speaker 1 But somebody had stolen my damn passenger seat, dude.

Speaker 2 Did you ever get it back? Uh-uh.

Speaker 1 Somebody were eating at a Burger King and somebody stole that bitch out of there.

Speaker 1 But then

Speaker 1 people had to get in. They get in the car, but they couldn't sit right there.

Speaker 2 Did you put a couple blankets down or something or what? I don't know, whatever, dude.

Speaker 1 But the one time I picked up a dude, I was getting him to buy me alcohol at a gas station. I was skipping school, and he got in, this kind of homelessy kind of guy.

Speaker 1 And he got in instead of sitting in the back, he just got on his knees right there at the passenger side.

Speaker 1 So I'm driving, and he's just

Speaker 2 your friend?

Speaker 1 I didn't know him. No, he's like a guy who I gave him money to buy me alcohol.

Speaker 2 Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 So, but anyway, I don't know why I'm telling you all this.

Speaker 2 Um,

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Speaker 1 So you got the new album coming out. Does it feel, is there a moment where you feel that the album is finished? Is there a moment where you're like, I just can't, this is far enough?

Speaker 1 Could you keep going on an album? Could you keep fine-tuning it forever?

Speaker 2 Yes, for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So that's a real possibility. You can overdo it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 The powers that be

Speaker 2 will give you a deadline if you want certain things to happen. You know, like, do you want your vinyl to come to be out to be ready by when the record's ready?

Speaker 2 You know, things like that. So you kind of, they put a, you know, they give you a buffer because they know you're not going to have it it in time.
They got a buffer for the buffer.

Speaker 2 They got, they got like an eight-week buffer, I think, that they put on me.

Speaker 2 But those time, those time limits are healthy, I think, you know, because especially, I mean, it's not like we wasn't working.

Speaker 2 I mean, we worked really hard on this album pretty much since tour was over. I've been writing and,

Speaker 2 you know, just recording all that. So,

Speaker 2 I mean, we recorded 50 or 51 songs and cut 13 or 14. Wow.
Really? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, what happens to a lot of you? You just kind of decide this doesn't fit here right now or you might hold it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, some of those songs were songs that I wrote. Some of them weren't.
So, if I didn't write them, then they'll just, whatever happens to them, not up to me anymore.

Speaker 2 And then, if I did, you know, who knows? I might make a side project of something if, you know, something that has nothing to do with my name.

Speaker 2 I've always kind of wanted to do that anyway, you know, just kind of figure out a way to, it wouldn't be my voice. It wouldn't, I don't know how you do that.

Speaker 2 I'm sure there's all kinds of ways to go about it now, you know, these days, but

Speaker 2 it'd not be my name, not my voice, not be any kind of style of music that I normally do, you know, just to see what happens to it. It might be like house music or something, you know?

Speaker 1 That'd be pretty sick, dude. Yeah, dude, if you had house music, I mean, people would.

Speaker 2 If they saw my name on it, they would, I don't want it to have my name on it. I want to just see what happens if it just gets put out to the world.

Speaker 2 You know, maybe I'll like put it on a story or something of whoever it is, you know, Dream Jacker or whatever the team is, but

Speaker 2 whatever the name of the guy is, dude.

Speaker 1 Wet Dream Jacker, that'd be mine.

Speaker 2 Dream Jacking currently. Um,

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I we were talking, me and my buddies were talking about this topic the other day, actually. And

Speaker 1 I don't know, it might actually happen. Putting out something secret, low-key, yeah, creating some.
Yeah, well, I bet because that's an interesting thing.

Speaker 1 It's like once you kind of have made a name in one space, it's kind of hard.

Speaker 1 You can't, you know, you almost have, if you want to get a real test of what people think of something, you kind of have to secretly do it some other way.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it would, it wouldn't even be similar to the type of music that I know, totally honestly. That would be nothing even close to what I'm doing now.
It would be like,

Speaker 2 I mean, I like, I like house music a little bit. So I'll listen to it working out or driving or stuff, you know, like melodic stuff.
I like melodic stuff. Like that kind of stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 But I feel like a lot of that stuff doesn't doesn't necessarily

Speaker 2 have

Speaker 2 a lot of words and stuff, you know?

Speaker 2 So maybe what if I took a song of mine that didn't make my album, but it's got a story, it's got all these things, you know, what if, what would people, would people like that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 Dude, I thought this, I thought, started thinking of this about two years ago.

Speaker 1 So they have like ED, you go to these nightclubs and stuff, and they'll have like John Summit, these different kind of guys who are playing like

Speaker 1 house, like trance or whatever, whatever it is. It's just people doing dope really late at night and just doing like this, you know, whatever that is.

Speaker 1 I don't know the the difference between all of those styles of music it's like it's one style of music i know there's sub-genres and all that but yeah same i don't have a clue but i'm always like why don't they have a like a more like country or like why is it always like if they had remixes of a lot of great country music like um that and you put it to that same type of shit that because a lot of people want to still go have that environment but i don't sometimes you get tired of that music it just gets kind of old so if they had remixes of some dope country shit i'm like if they had two country djs that came out like a I feel like it would be so sick just doing remixes and shit.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it would be cool. I'm surprised they don't have that already.

Speaker 1 Me too. Me and Caleb Presley thought about trying to do it, but then it was just like, just don't have a lot of time, you know? And that becomes something too.

Speaker 1 It's like there's things you want to do and you just don't have enough time, you know? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 And that's that's smart for you to realize that. I mean, it'll be like, well, I'm going to quit my job that pays all my bills and, you know,

Speaker 2 go be a mason.

Speaker 2 It's like, well, maybe not do that.

Speaker 2 So, yeah.

Speaker 2 Under a neon moon.

Speaker 1 Just fucking remixing fucking Brooks and Dunn.

Speaker 1 Before you go, man,

Speaker 1 you have some amazing artists who are going to be on some of these tour dates with you. Yeah, I do.
Did you have to call them individually and ask them? How'd that kind of go?

Speaker 1 Because some of these are idols, really, in the industry.

Speaker 2 I feel, you know,

Speaker 2 Miranda, I'm good friends with Miranda. I'm good.
I'm good friends with Brooks and Dunn.

Speaker 1 So that was pretty easy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean,

Speaker 2 there was already mutual interest, and that's something that's kind of been a conversation for a little bit longer than just, you know, this year.

Speaker 2 So that one kind of just worked itself out between them and

Speaker 2 my managers. I'm good friends with Thomas Red as well.
So that one, they were all he's nice, huh?

Speaker 1 He's super nice. God, what a nice guy.
He lives nearby, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 It just all kind of happened pretty naturally, but I mean,

Speaker 2 it's unbelievable to me. You know, like, I haven't really this

Speaker 2 page that's pulled up. I mean, just to see the people that are

Speaker 2 that are opening for me, it's like it doesn't even make sense, you know.

Speaker 1 Miranda Ella Langley, she's a new, yeah, she's a badass, or she's newly more popular. Yeah, I'm not going to say she's new, I don't know about her history.

Speaker 1 I don't either, but Miranda Corey Kent, I'm not familiar with him.

Speaker 2 If it's a man, it is, yeah, he's good too.

Speaker 1 I'm gonna have to check him out.

Speaker 2 Um, yeah, Ann Wilson, she's she's a Christian artist by trait, but she's you know dabbling in the country music world. She's she's really good.

Speaker 2 She's on our agency.

Speaker 2 She is?

Speaker 1 Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1 You started, I'll have to check her out. Oh, Gavin Adcock's out there with you.
He's a wild man.

Speaker 2 Fucking guy. He's a wild.
Wild, dude. I love that guy, man.

Speaker 2 He's walking.

Speaker 1 I see, he'll eat a fucking, he'll eat a damn three-pack. I saw him eat a three-pack of beers.

Speaker 2 He probably did.

Speaker 1 Oh, he'll eat fucking two beers, dude.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he doesn't give a damn, dude. He played offensive line for Bud Light for a couple of years, I think.

Speaker 2 There is nobody like him.

Speaker 2 He's definitely outlandish. He'll be on stage.

Speaker 2 One of those things, those military, what are those MREs or whatever? He's just got beer in there.

Speaker 2 Dude, he'll fucking.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 he's entertaining.

Speaker 2 He's got a good voice, too, and his music seems like he just keeps getting better, too. So I'm happy for him, man.

Speaker 1 I got to tap in more with him. I saw him play with Kid Rockin' them on one of his shows last year.
Dude, I'll say this, Bob Ritchie,

Speaker 1 his live performance, dude.

Speaker 2 No, he'll let him have it, won't he?

Speaker 1 Bro, I was fucking...

Speaker 1 I mean, I know, you know, but I didn't, it was good.

Speaker 2 I've never seen it personally firsthand. It was really.
I can imagine.

Speaker 1 I mean, I knew it would be, but it's just been some time, you know. It's hard to keep up, you know.
I mean, being out there for two hours, I mean, you guys get drunk. I mean,

Speaker 2 that's a lot, man.

Speaker 2 It is, man. It can be for sure.
I mean, it depends on how often you do it, too, you know. I mean, if you're doing it,

Speaker 2 some people, I guess, still do it three nights a week.

Speaker 2 I'm just going to do it too because it feels like a disservice to me and everyone else to do it three days in a row, you know. But two seems like a good sweet spot.

Speaker 2 You can, as long, you know, you play the show.

Speaker 2 Probably don't go to bed till three, four in the morning just because you're so wound up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you're up, people visit, and you got to say bye to everybody, all that shit.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't do all that anymore much. But even if your family's airing.

Speaker 2 yeah but even still they know what the priorities are at this point so if i if i play a show you'll head out which my boy if my boy's with me he'll be asleep already anyway so i'll just we head straight out don't stick around i try to go to bed as soon as possible usually like i said i don't have no three or four then you try your best to sleep till noon one two as late as you possibly can just because your voice after doing all that you know you need all that rest um so it's a it's become a little bit more like a regiment for me which is which is good good.

Speaker 2 You know, I got a vocal coach and all that stuff too now. So it's just like, it's like a whole boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
This is how it is now, you know, and that seems to help me a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's kind of interesting. When I was a little younger, I could do those.
I could do, you know, some of the stretches.

Speaker 1 And now I'm like, I don't, I wish I, when I do see them on the schedule, it's a little bit tougher. Not comparing comedy and what, you know.

Speaker 2 No, but you're, I mean, it is, I mean, it's still the same thing.

Speaker 1 It's like a regiment. It's like, yeah, I got to sleep in late.

Speaker 1 And it's like, well, that kind of sucks because now it's like, it's kind of hard if you wake up at 10 to go back to sleep for two more hours because it's light out.

Speaker 2 It's really hard.

Speaker 1 It's hard, but you know, you need that two more hours of sleep. Otherwise, I'm going to be edgy, you know, and I won't be able to man.
I might not want to go work out. Just all the little things.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it does. It is.
It's important.

Speaker 1 Because it's just about getting yourself back on the stage for that next

Speaker 1 that when it's time to go, it's time to get it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, back in the day, I mean, which we weren't playing two-hour shows back then either, you know, but we would play six, six shows in one week, you know?

Speaker 2 So I don't know how, I mean, it just had to be young, I guess, you know. I mean, it wasn't like we were, I wasn't, the only regiment then was sleep till four, start drinking at five.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, that's what it was then, and we're going to be good. Ain't that right?

Speaker 1 Bro, hell yeah, that's the Gavin Adcock National Anthem.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think if, I think back in the day, if, if I had a camera on me like, like Adcock does now, they might, they might be, they would be probably saying some simpler stuff about me. But

Speaker 2 he's a little more bold with it, I guess, than I was.

Speaker 1 Well, he's really, yeah, he's, oh, dude, he's he'll be on stage people i think there's a he's like people are throwing beers he just has beers bouncing off of him he's an animal dude he'll be like the pa system shut down but we're gonna still perform he just yell he just he'll hollow out a beer can and just yell out of it and he's doing all kinds of

Speaker 1 he is ballsy dude His personality's cool. He's a fun guy.
Very entertaining. I got to tap into more of his music.
I haven't listened to a lot of his music.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you need to get him on here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I do need to. People say that we look alike a little bit, but I think they're just being nice to me.

Speaker 2 To you, to you or him?

Speaker 2 One of us.

Speaker 2 One of us, dude.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You got your drink here, May brought this today.

Speaker 2 That real tea. How's it going? Real tea.
Man, it seems to be... Seems to be progressing nicely.
It's good. I like it.
I like it on ice better.

Speaker 2 Yeah, bro. But I've always liked sweet tea better on ice.

Speaker 2 I mean, you know, because I've been, I'm trying to eat and live and drink and all that stuff clean. So for something that's actually, you know, healthy, it's, it's good.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's good for sure.

Speaker 1 I like it. I like having a nice little can of tea or something.
I'll keep a couple in the car.

Speaker 2 I'll drink them warm even. Do you? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'll get a whole one in me at a stoplight.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't do all that. You don't? No.

Speaker 2 My drummer told me one time he had drank like, I can't remember how many, you know, like 13 or something into ungodly in a short amount of time.

Speaker 2 Said, damn, man, you're going to have kidney stones for sure.

Speaker 1 Well, maybe he'll have a band, a cover band of the Rolling Stones, and it's called Kidney Stones.

Speaker 2 The Rolling Kidney Stones.

Speaker 1 Is there a song sometimes of your own that you'll listen to, or one that catches you sometimes, and it'll kind of catch you in your feels a little bit? Is there any one that you're like?

Speaker 2 I mean, yeah, the song I wrote to my son is the song.

Speaker 1 Oh, the one that's not out yet.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that does that. It'll be out soon, but

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 it's also one of those things to where you know i've tried so many times to write a song like that for him and it always fell flat so i'd listen to it on the way home or whatever after we wrote it and i'd be like it's it's good you know but it's not it's not how i want it and i also didn't want to write like

Speaker 2 a song to him that was

Speaker 2 all

Speaker 2 i don't know

Speaker 2 sappy and

Speaker 2 slow and you know just like what you would expect a dad's son song to be you know oh i wish you wouldn't grow up you know all that

Speaker 2 like i didn't want it to be that i wanted another birthday cake it's like i didn't want that song at all that song's been written plenty enough so and i wanted it to keep like have a little bit of my my sound and my swag and just like and to be honest you know so it was a hard thing to try to get all those things wrapped up into one song and with it's called superman is what it's called and i feel like we accomplished that and when i was when we wrote it and I was riding home, it was actually the last song that made my record.

Speaker 2 So it's not like I've had it for a long time. You know, it took us a while to get that song.
And

Speaker 2 it was actually Blake, one of my buddy Blake's. It was his idea.
And the hook was different, though. It said Superman.

Speaker 2 I don't remember what the hook was exactly, but I was just singing it. And I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 I know, I know what it is. And I changed the hook and it like, it made it.
It was like, oh, there it is. Unlocked.

Speaker 2 And we all, all three of us, and there are four of us in the room, just kind of was like, oh, yeah, that's it. You know, and then on the way home, I was listening to it and started crying.

Speaker 2 And that's the first time that it happened with a song for him. So that's, I kind of knew.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's cool, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man, there's one thing I've always thought you had very good instincts, man. I've always admired your instincts, you know, whether it's humor, we're joking around, whatever.

Speaker 1 You're fucking sharp, dude. You're a sharp fucking guy.
And

Speaker 1 yeah, it's been, I appreciate you just supporting my podcast. And,

Speaker 1 you know, it's nice of you. And thanks for all the great music, man.
That one about the mom.

Speaker 2 Oh, I wrote the book.

Speaker 1 Damn, that one sometimes.

Speaker 2 That's one of my favorites still.

Speaker 1 If I'm driving home at night or something, I'll listen to that one, dude. You know, that's a good one.
That one's like, kind of puts me in a good spot, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I like that one too, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and what's the one about the mom?

Speaker 2 You're talking about my mom? Yeah. I thought you should know?

Speaker 2 Yeah, that one. Yeah.

Speaker 1 God, that one. God damn, dude.

Speaker 2 I'll pull over and cry sometimes.

Speaker 1 do you really i will i'm like fuck you can't cry and drive you little bitch

Speaker 2 this goes back to what you're talking about you uh thinking and motioning and all that stuff yeah yeah it is like it's too much

Speaker 1 Moria Waller, man, one of the most prolific artists of, I think, ever on the face of the earth, man. It's a pleasure, dude.
You're lucky to get to know your cousin. He and I are close.

Speaker 1 And yeah, just thanks for all the entertainment on behalf of everybody. And it's just been

Speaker 1 a gift, man.

Speaker 2 Thank you, man. I say the same to you.
I appreciate everything that you do for me.

Speaker 1 Cheers, brother. Excited for the new album.
Yes, sir.

Speaker 2 Now I'm just floating on the breeze. And I feel I'm falling like these leaves.
I must be

Speaker 2 cornerstone.

Speaker 2 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it

Speaker 2 in my bones.

Speaker 2 But it's gonna take

Speaker 2 a little