#597 - Lewis Capaldi

I've got some new tour dates that I'm telling you about here.

I'll be in Winnipeg, Canada, Los Angeles, California, Anaheim, Oceanside,

and Calgary, Canada.

That is the end of that tour.

I got to take some time off

to take care of myself.

And so I'm looking forward to that.

You can get tickets at theovon.com/slash T-O-U-R.

Thank you guys so much for the support, and I look forward to seeing you guys soon.

Today's guest is a singer-songwriter out of Scotland.

He just made a triumphant return to Glastonbury after taking some time off to focus on himself.

He has a new song called Survive, which is out now streaming everywhere.

I'm grateful for today's guest.

He's a Klas Lad,

Mr.

Louis Capaldi.

of statement.

I feel like I'm in the thing.

I feel like I've stepped through the screens.

You know what I mean?

Here we are.

Oh, here we are.

Fucking locked in.

Class.

Class.

Class lads.

Yeah, it's hard to understand.

I feel like it's hard to understand the Scottish sometimes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'd say it's the hardest because we've not got the international identity that Irish people have, right?

Do you know what I mean?

So, everyone kind of knows the Irish accent, but I feel like Scotland is like Ireland's sort of like ugly little sister.

Oh, no one really likes it.

Do you know what I mean?

People, we don't have that sort of like

international thing.

Yeah, Ireland has that thing, like the, you know, they have like the leprechaun or whatever.

Do you guys have a version of the leprechaun?

I guess, like, William Wallace is like the only.

Oh, he's a powerful leprechaun, then.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, big man.

Yeah.

Big man thing.

Yeah, I wonder who the Irish version of the leprechaun.

Just like a regular guy that needs help, probably.

It's just like a guy that just can't get his grandmother on the phone or something.

Maybe.

Dude, good to see you today, man.

Good to see you too, man.

Thank you.

Awesome.

Thank you for having us.

Thank you for all the beautiful music, man.

Thank you.

No, yeah,

that's what I do.

I appreciate it.

Thanks for all the laughs.

Okay, we're even.

It's cool how something can cross like to a total different culture.

I mean, that's kind of of fascinating, you know, that I could go to Scotland and have people come see a show and that you could come here and have people come see a show.

Yeah, man, it's wild.

Especially because I don't think you ever, well, I don't know about you, but like I never get into this thinking about, like, I never assumed that I would be in America doing things like this or like people would come see shows or anything like that.

So yeah, it's mad.

It's just like, it always feels like a bit of a blessing.

Yeah.

Coming over here and doing this.

Do you know what I mean?

In a dream.

Sometimes it feels like, I think,

or I don't, does it ever feel to you like you're living in a dream kind of in a weird way?

Yeah, for sure.

I think, um, especially like I took two years off there and, like,

I was sort of living this sort of mundane day-to-day

life.

But uh, it was just uh, so it was weird now being back being back in it all sort of the last few weeks has been um a bit of a mad, yeah, like a, yeah, it feels out of body and a bit strange.

But I'm I'm loving it.

Yeah, it's great.

It's the best.

And you did, uh, did you do Good Morning America?

I did just this morning.

Oh.

Yeah.

I've been up since four.

oh yeah it's early it is early but it kind of jet lagged so I kind of kind of played into my my hand it evens out maybe

but it was good they should call it goodbye America I feel like we're what's going on oh yeah oh we're about to get on a boat and come back

where's the port oh there I am oh that was you today that's literally me earlier on wearing yeah wearing a nice green jacket oh that's beautiful and who's the ginger there on the on the uh

that's my that's my piano player Aiden oh sorry Aiden Aiden yes he is ginger he's very gentle Okay, good.

We've classified him then, yeah.

No, but he's uh he's a good man.

I uh it's like the scarlet letter of haircuts, I feel like being a ginger, you know?

Exactly.

He's uh he's maybe the most red-headed guy I've ever met.

Wow.

And is he a f a Scotsman?

He is a Scotsman.

They're all Scots.

Well, their drummer.

My drummer is a very posh Englishman named Freddie.

Oh.

Yeah.

I know, I know.

But it's quite it was a weird thing.

We looked for a drummer for a long time.

And he was like,

we kind of went through a lot.

It was like speed date.

Went for a lot of different drummers.

And it was like this really posh English guy that fit in with these sort of normal

Scottish men.

So it's been lovely.

Oh, there he is.

That's Freddy.

Oh, there he is.

This is well good.

How quick you guys are.

And he's doing well.

Look at him.

Yeah, he's doing very well.

Just had a little child, a little baby.

Oh, God.

Well, about a year ago now.

So she's,

yeah, she's nice.

I mean, she's fine.

I mean, I don't know.

As babies go.

I don't know her.

Yeah, yeah.

As babies go.

Yeah, yeah.

She doesn't say much.

Yeah.

She emails late at night.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah.

She gets on that laptop and really.

She'll occasionally rattle off.

She'll fire off a few emails.

Yeah, yeah.

Strongly welcome.

Yeah, dude, I've been to Scotland before.

We did Glasgow on the show over there.

Yes.

How did you find it?

It was quite.

It reminded me a bit of like

a lot of people.

like day labor, like kind of like contractor type of people.

Yeah, yeah, proper like working class.

Working class.

Yeah, blue collar.

Yeah.

Over here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Down and dirty.

Or like a dark blue, yeah, navy, navy almost there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Uh, I mean, guys, some of them they would, you know, one of them would talk and one of them would whistle, just like unique,

you know, like one guy you had to tickle him to get the truth out of him, you know, just a lot of like special, just unique folks, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a it's a great place.

I love Glasgow.

I don't like, I kind of split my time now between Glasgow and London, but uh, yeah, I always miss it when I go.

Yeah, it's just a different sort of um,

yeah, a different type of person that you get maybe than and the Londons.

Oh, yeah, dude.

They're a bit more refined there.

They're a bit more like

kind of like you see like those nutcrackers at Christmas and they're all like polished and like,

you know, they have like a nice hat and like a little thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like you're a Cat Williams.

Yeah,

yeah.

They're a bit more Cat Williams over there in London.

And then you get to Scotland and it's just some guy fucking

licking a pitchfork, you know?

Yeah, exactly.

Just hoping for the best.

I love that.

Yeah, I love that shit, man.

It's fucking pretty special.

But yeah, it's a great place.

Glasgow being there.

But you're in Nashville now.

Yeah, I live in Nashville now.

Yeah, I love Nashville.

We're going there on Wednesday?

This Wednesday.

I think so, yeah.

Oh, Christ.

Yeah.

I'll be gone.

Yeah.

I know.

Just.

We're here now.

We're here now enjoying this in the Chelsea.

This is it.

Yeah, the Chelsea Hotel, a famous place.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, so many interesting people.

We interviewed, actually, in this room, Craig from Craigslist, the guy that started Craigslist.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And...

how's he?

Oh, he is.

He's got a, he just

a lot going on.

A lot.

I mean, think of all the things that are passing through.

You got a used car.

You have somebody, you know, selling homemade narcane.

You got a lot of shit passing through here.

You know, you got a lot of shit in your inbox.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

Did he still, has he sold it or does he still own it?

He has a partial ownership.

I believe this is correct.

He has a partial ownership, but he's not active with it anymore.

Sure.

Right.

Okay.

And now he's just like a philanthropist, but he was a very unique man.

Craig Newmark was his name.

Craig Newmark, yeah.

Shout out Craig Newmark.

Yeah, shout out Craig.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Well, we wouldn't say Craig, we'd say Craig.

Oh, Craig, Craig Craigslist, it'd be called.

Oh, Craigslist.

Oh, that sounds even more

risque.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Missed connections, etc.

Sounds like, yeah, you might meet a dentist in the dark all day.

Craig, yeah, yeah, yeah, Craig, Craig.

Craig.

Yeah.

And what does Craig mean?

Does it mean something?

I don't know.

I just, what's their name?

I think.

I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's

if it has any true meaning or anything like that.

Maybe Warrior.

Craig.

Oh, Craig.

There you are.

Yeah.

He once called me a loser on his podcast.

Really?

He said,

he said, I actually quite like Paul Craig, but he said I should

lose weight and that I was a loser.

Well, dude, if he lost weight, he'd be a loser.

Technically, exactly, yeah, the biggest loser.

Yeah, don't give him the title before you.

But I saw the clip, but

Paul,

congratulations on everything.

Sorry about what happened at the last

UC meeting.

Sorry, Lewis didn't enough for you, but

sorry, man.

Yeah, Paul Craig.

No, but that would be Craig.

Yeah, Craig.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Paul Craig.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, dude, the Scots, man.

They're fascinating.

They're just fascinating.

You'd almost.

Like, I wouldn't be surprised if you was in the U.S., you know, or and you're in a zoo and they had a couple in there somewhere.

Like, you know, they're taking care of it.

They're like, yeah, drinking, sort of like...

They're healthy in there, yelling at you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Screaming screaming at the fences and stuff like that.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It sounds like us or singing like a good um, do they have like a lot of good like Scottish songs and stuff?

Oh, flat of Scotland,

when will we see

your like

again

that fought and died for

your we battling plan that stood against them, against them, proud Edward's army

and sent sent him homeward

to think again.

Come on,

yeah, yeah, that's that's us.

That's one, that's a good one that we've got.

We've also got um

what's your name, Ali Bali, Ali Balibi, sitting on your mommy's knee.

That's a good one.

I don't know where that goes after that.

Well, that one ends in the courts, I think.

It sounds like

it sounds like a domestic dispute, kind of, you know.

But yeah, I just think, yeah, the most fascinating kind of like Scotland, it's like the DIY England, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, it's like you fucking figure it out, yeah, we'll we'll be fine up there, but although we did uh not to get into independence and we did uh vote vote vote to not leave the England, people think Scottish people hate English people, but it's not true.

I love English people, yeah, I love I love them so much, yeah.

I don't,

I know, I don't have anything against English people, yeah, in fact, uh,

I love love them

if I saw them, I would definitely pat them on the back.

Yeah, come and pat them back and like

one of those little love taps on the back on the back side.

On the yeah.

Send them on their way.

On the low back, they call it.

Just the low back, yeah, consensually.

Yeah.

Of course.

Yeah, it seems like there's a lot more.

You have to be very consensual over there.

Yeah, yeah.

I think everywhere it's good to be consensual.

Good call, sorry.

And that's not going to age well.

But in Scotland, it's just a bit more like, whose tit is this?

You know, kind of.

And it's on your mate half the time.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

And a man's tit.

It's always a man's tit.

We're talking about men, ladies.

Yeah, we're talking about men's tits.

Relax.

It's not always about your tits.

You know, you don't think some of us are wearing brassiers now.

They have the Shea Gilgas Alexander just had a Brazier on the other day.

One of the most famous basketball players in the United States.

Is that a thing that I can pull up a gander at this?

He was wearing a men's brassier.

Lovely stuff.

Is that like, what is the.

but yeah, beautiful.

I mean, it's coming, I guess, things.

What is the

use in that?

Because he doesn't look like he's packing heat.

I mean, I bet I haven't seen this, it is as much of him as I've seen.

I'm going to just, you know, based on charts I've seen online, I bet he's doing okay.

For sure, yeah.

I think, uh,

yeah, I don't know.

I think maybe times are changing.

I don't know.

Yeah, it looks, I mean, hey, fair play to him.

Yeah, fair play.

Fair play.

That's what I, that's what I always say.

Fair play to these Brazilian men.

Yeah.

That's what they say.

Are you feeling okay?

Yeah, I feel great.

Doing good?

Yeah, I feel relaxed and chilled.

Good, man.

What is

Celsius?

So, Celsius is our sponsor, and this is...

I mean, this will definitely.

It just gets you kind of going, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we have a sip.

Yeah, get in there.

I've never tried it before.

You haven't?

Well, that's lovely.

That is actually really nice.

Celsius.

I'll have a bit with you.

Hey, cheers.

Cheers, lad.

Cheers.

Sir?

A word from our sponsors.

Hey.

There you are.

Oh, man.

Yeah, this, dude, you have a couple of these.

You'll see a couple UFOs.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

I always thought it was alcoholic.

Can you get alcoholic Celsius or no?

It's a great question.

Do they have that?

No.

They should really

wade into that market.

I think so.

That'd be a good shift.

Yeah, I bet at some point they will.

I mean, you're going to get an email immediately for alcoholics.

You're going to get a collab.

yeah great i mean that's what i'm that's what i'm angling for

i'm here collecting sponsors yeah

um dude in scotland you guys see some of the most ufos do you know that i didn't know that no no no i'm not uh i'm not as uh

up to speed with my alien stuff as i should be but is that is that the case more yes i think scotland is one of the most i think scotland has some of the most ufs ufo sightings anywhere really i think this there's also like so that's also got something to do with people like i don't know taking more drugs in Scotland.

Oh, definitely.

And then some people just need to ride home.

Yeah, exactly.

Just jumping.

Hoping anything will come get them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

What's that?

There was a video of a guy, one of the first sightings over there.

Burnt, what is his name?

Yeah, this is a guy already.

It's Bobby Taylor.

With a big round dome, a very dark grey colour, and it had a a big flange going all the way around.

I could see arms sticking out of this flange with what I took to be blades on the top.

As I stood here, there was two balls came out, two balls.

I'd think they'd be about three feet in diameter

with about six.

It could have just been a

big gay guy running towards him.

You know what I'm saying?

It could have just been a big gay guy in a helmet running towards him.

He also sounds like he might have a few on board, though.

Do you know what I mean?

It's not like Robert.

Bobby Taylor there sounds like he could be under the influence slightly.

So I'm not sure that that's like.

No, I'm glad you're here.

This is Livingston.

That's so close to where I grew up.

Really?

Yeah, so close to where I grew up.

I grew up like 10 minutes from there.

Oh, wow.

That's very close.

It's got East Whitburn, in between Glasgow and Edinburgh.

But that's so close to where I live.

And have you heard of this man?

I've never heard of Robert Taylor.

He

hasn't really made it into the.

He was attacked by a UFO in the deck, in the Deckman Woods.

Deckman Woods.

You've heard of him?

I haven't heard of.

I've heard of the Woods.

I haven't heard of Robert, but then that's what they do.

They try and suppress this stuff, don't they?

Oh, for sure.

Yeah, this guy should not be.

West Lothian, that's literally where I grew up.

Really?

Yeah.

In U.F.,

the Taylor incident, a.k.a.

Livingston incident, or Detchman Woods encounter, is the name given to claims of

sighting an extraterrestrial spacecraft in Livingston, West Lothian.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's where Whitman is.

I never thought I'd hear Diovon say West Lillian.

Oh, yeah, boys.

You're dinging it.

WL, Whitburn Loopy.

That's another thing.

Yeah, well, the Upper and Loopy is like

a young team.

There's a thing in Scotland called there's things all over Scotland called young teams.

And it's like groups of youths or like, and they sort of get together and cause mischief and like, you know, I don't know, like fight and stuff.

You're a bit of gangs.

Yeah, yeah.

So I wouldn't even class it as gangs.

It's not as like...

It's not as violent.

Violent.

There's fights, but like everyone, you kind of go around in your bikes and like punch, punch fuck at each other.

I was never in one, obviously, but like punch fuck at each other.

We had like

Wesley Whitburn Lupe.

That's the only one I know.

Yeah.

It was a song like Whitburn, Lupe, nuts are we, her man, her and you and me.

We'll show you what we can do with a baseball bat and a snooker cue.

Flash the faces, jump the back, use the cue as a baseball bat.

Whitburn Lupe, nuts are we.

We are the Whitburn.

Lupe.

Let's go, dude.

I'll join right now.

Get somebody that freaking Glasgow smile, right?

Wow.

According to Taylor, a forestry worker for the Livingston Development Corporation on November 9th, 1979, he parked his pickup truck at the side of a road near the motorway and walked along a forest path.

He claims he experienced a foul odor like burning brakes.

I mean, it sounds pretty.

Similar the spheres, like similar to sea mines, had seized him and were dragging him in the direction of a larger object when he lost consciousness.

But they always lose consciousness right before they see them.

It is true.

Do you know what I mean?

So what is happening?

Yeah, it sounds like he blacked out.

I mean, anything.

Yeah, I mean, he definitely, you said out of the gate, it looked like he'd maybe had one or two.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One of them on board.

Yeah, yeah.

And also, the thing about a lot of UFOs, dude, you never, we never even, we never even find a gas cap on the ground or anything.

Like these motherfuckers are flying everywhere.

We never find a rear view mirror.

Exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

You're telling me they're that well assembled, that not one of them ever.

He had a fault.

Yes, a spay attire or something, even just one of those jacks they used to fix the side of it.

I'm not like a huge believer in

UFOs or aliens, but

I'm curious.

Yeah.

I'm curious.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm always interested.

You're alien curious.

I'm alien curious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Me too.

I would just be.

Oh, I hope if they get me, they're women that get me.

But yeah, the Falkirk, what was that?

The Falkirk Triangle?

Falkirk Triangle.

Falkirk's also not far from where I live.

They all seem to be happening in my sort of my little concentrated area of London.

Yeah, Scotland, sorry.

That's bad.

Yeah, the Falkirk Triangle.

It sounds like three kind of thicker ladies splitting a bit of haggis, doesn't it?

Yeah, it does.

Yeah, the Falkirk Triangle is a region in central Scotland renowned as one of the world's most active UFO hotspots.

You didn't know that?

I didn't know that.

No, it's not.

People haven't like

shit.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

It's not become a real.

It's not as famous as.

But how many do you need before people tap each other on the shoulder?

Things are going on here.

This isn't like, this isn't normal.

I think as well, you'd be able to catch them.

Like, you'd be able to, if 300 are happening a year in the area, you'd be able to wait out and be like, okay, they're coming at some point.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, you think just some guy.

That's mad, though.

I never knew that.

What is it?

I wonder what leads to those UFOs.

I wonder if there's something in Scotland that leads to it.

Is it the diet?

Is it the...

There There was a thing called the Glasgow effect a couple of years ago.

Well, still, I think it's like the life expectancy in Glasgow at one stage was like 55 years old or whatever.

Wow.

And I remember this girl

did

this thing where she was looking, it was like an art project where she was looking for funding so she could live like

a Glaswegian for a year and see how

it affected her health.

So she could love a Glaswegian?

No, live.

Live like a Glaswegian.

Live.

The diet, the sort of surroundings.

People were really up in arms about it because it was very like sort of poverty safari sort of.

Right, like almost like a supersized me, but for Scotland kind of.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was very like, it was thingy.

But yeah, excess mode.

The Glasgow effect refers to the observation, residents of the Glasgow space, lower life expectancy and poorer health outcomes than people living in similarly deprived cities in the United Kingdom and Europe.

There you go.

But I think it's better now.

I think it is much better now.

I think the people are just so great.

God wants them back quicker.

That's great.

That's a good way of looking at it.

That's what I feel like.

The rest of you guys can mill around on earth.

Yeah, just keep it going down there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dude, the last 30 years of downhill anyway, we'll fucking show up in heaven in style.

I like that.

Yeah, yeah.

That's classic.

How old are you?

I'm 45, man.

Really?

Yeah, I'm going to die soon, dude.

Let me get a look at this.

I think you're very, very sprightly 45.

You know, I don't feel, I swear to God, I don't, I don't, if this is what 45 feels like, I can't even believe it.

Because I don't feel 45.

I don't even, I don't think I think like I'm 45.

So I think something's wrong with me.

And I'm not even joking.

I really do.

I thought I would just have more like adult feelings or be a young grandfather at this point, but none of that's happening.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

I definitely get the older I get, the more I'm like

aging kind of scales me slightly.

Not even

aging, getting older, but like the loss of like

youth.

Yeah.

Even though like things have gone, I've like done, been really lucky and like had like a really

like

dreams have come true and stuff.

I still like find myself pining and longing for like when I was younger.

And even like, I don't know why it's like a

big thing for me.

It's this same like I'm running out of time sort of thing.

But I think that everyone gets that.

I don't know.

I don't know if some people get it so severely because I think about that all the time, like youth.

Like I'm like almost obsessed with what it was like to be young, you know?

And almost, I think a lot of times I don't want to grow up.

Yeah, yeah, of course.

I don't ever want to do it.

Yeah.

You know?

Like,

but yeah, I think, I guess, I think one thing about youth is that everything was like so adventurous, maybe.

Or

I don't know.

Why do you think that is?

What do you, do you think there's like

any themes about youth that make you feel that way?

I guess there's people, like, there's people around you that are.

that aren't here anymore.

I guess that it's a point in your life where everyone is

like everyone's there.

I mean, I guess

my grandmother died when I was three, so I was very quick to I think that may be a big thing with my worry of like

my um

what's the word obsession with like you know youth and aging and all the attachment and all that.

Yeah, because like I learned from like a young age that people

it's finite and people die and stuff and I think um

yeah, I think maybe that might be something that I attached to it or like that there's there's less there's less um

was she a cool lady your grand yes she was cool uh what's her name uh

i don't know

my mom's gonna kill me no she won't your grandmother's dead

they need you what was my grand's name

i just called her nana that's fair and if she

first of all can i text my mom and ask her what her name was please

any Any grandmother going by her natural born name, first of all, is a tramp.

Every grandmother should be Nana from now on.

I want to text my brother because I feel like my mom would be like, What the fuck are you doing?

That might be too much for her.

Yeah.

What was

your mom's mom's name?

Two more sips of Celsius.

You'll remember it.

Yeah, yeah.

I bet if you have a sip of Celsius right now, you might remember it.

I can't fucking remember her name.

That's mental.

But yeah, you've been through a lot, dude.

We've seen what's going on.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

That's fucking mental.

Is it though?

I'll keep it.

I'll keep it.

I'll tell you this.

I don't know my father's mother's name.

Oh, but there you go.

But

your father was much older.

Yeah, he's an older man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, my grandmother was born in 1884.

Wow.

But I should still probably know her first name.

Yeah.

But in case you know, you never met her.

No, I never met her.

I was just born in 1884.

That says.

No, I've seen some drawings.

We had drawings of her and stuff at our house, but I, uh, yeah, I never met her.

Yeah.

But we had four pretty good drawings.

One, actually.

One my uncle did, and it was fucking shite, dude.

Yeah, it was shite.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, it was horrible.

Is it with markers?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, no photos, just drawings.

Yeah,

and from memory, maybe.

Somebody, yeah.

So, who knows?

It could have been anyone, really.

It could have been an old lady.

So, so you don't.

Yeah, it could have been just some friend of Paddington Bears.

I have no clue who it was.

It could have been anyone.

Oh, yeah.

It could have been the queen.

I have good idea.

I'm like, damn, grandma had a scepter.

That's pretty crazy.

Yeah.

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So we'll get back to that,

my mother's mother's name.

And look, it'll be something that we'll check towards the end.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But Nan is it.

And Nan is it.

That's what everybody says.

Nana's Nana.

Nana.

Nana.

It's like it's that Scottish thing or like no, I think some Americans say Nana.

Yeah, I'm trying to think what we say here.

A lot of people say like Grammy, Mimi, Mima, Mima, too.

Mimaw, yeah, yeah.

What would you, what would you

grandmother, evil grandmother, I would say also at times,

or uh, distant grandmother,

cold grandmother, older lady with the key

is also a term that I would throw around sometimes no uh my grandma yeah she was my grandmother was good at like she would make us nice treats yeah um and that was one thing I do that thought that she was good at fond memory is treats she liked to feed you you know yeah I've listened I've got a lot of people like that in my life yeah yeah I'm I'm a big

proponent of being fed oh I like to be fed yeah look yeah sounds weirder than I wanted it to sound but I just meant I like I like eating Well, of course, you should eat while you're here.

I mean, according to the Scottish mortality rate, you're probably.

Oh, yeah, there's only so much time left.

Exactly.

Take it on.

No wonder you feel so much about your youth, you know?

No wonder you do.

I think my brother's text me back.

All right.

Let me see.

Awesome.

What?

Mum's mum's name was Melissa.

It wasn't Melissa.

No grandmother's ever been called Melissa.

Not that I know of.

No.

Unless it's like kind of like a

Melissa.

Maggie?

I guess we'll get to the bottom of this

by the end of the podcast.

I'm 100%.

This is your UFO.

This is meant.

I'll just keep it.

Sorry.

No, I think it's great, man.

Yeah, dude.

Who's on your Scottish Mount Rushmore?

If you had to kind of piece one together, Billy Conley would be up there for sure.

Okay, Billy Conley.

Yeah, Billy Conley.

Maybe I like...

There's a Scottish singer I love called Paolo Natini.

What is his name?

Paolo Nattini.

He's a Scottish Italian, much like myself.

Or not quite like myself, because he looks Italian and I look like this.

Yeah, see, he's got that sort of like

Italian-y.

Wow, I didn't know that.

So that's a

Scotsman.

That's a Scotsman, yeah.

Oh.

And yeah, but he's up there for me as a musician.

I'm such a grew up listening to him.

And have you guys ever gotten to tour or collaborate together?

I've had a few beers with him.

I've been to see him and had a few beers with him.

That was like a really nice sort of Phil Soccer morning.

He's very elusive, Palatine.

He'll disappear for years and then come back and sing.

But he's an incredible, incredible talent.

But he'd be up there for me.

I'm trying to think of actors.

Oh,

I guess Sean Connery, maybe.

Sean Connery would be up there.

I mean, he's a very historical figure.

Yeah, Sean Connery probably would be up there, yeah, actor-wise.

What about Shane McGowan?

Was he Scottish?

Shaman's Irish.

He is?

I believe, yeah.

He might have been high enough he thought he was Scottish.

Although,

I think he was born in England, Shane McGowan.

I don't know.

But I think Sean Connery is very much the epitome of class, I think, for that.

Yeah, there he is.

Robert Louis Stevenson, that

he's

or like Alexander Graham Bell.

Is he Scottish?

Yeah, I think he's Scottish.

Scotland's people invented the telephone and television.

John Logie Beard, is that the guy who invented the television?

Well, Robert Louis Stevens, they invented the telephone.

Who invented the telephone, really?

Oh, my gosh, dude, thank you.

Don't worry, I get it.

Honestly, thank you.

You're more than welcome.

That's quite a recent, looks like quite a recent picture.

What's going on there?

It must be AI or something.

Nah, they said, what do you mean?

You think that's AI?

I don't know.

Well, it's just been colored.

It's just been.

Dude, you guys invented the damn telephone.

Who did he call first?

I don't know.

There's no one else on the other end of the line, I guess.

That's the problem.

That's a great point.

That must have been the worst part.

Imagine the day they're like debuting it and nobody else even has one.

Yeah, exactly.

Rubbish.

It must have been the guy who got the first aphone.

Do you know what I mean?

Oh, he's like, Oh, my wife didn't pick up.

I'm going to stay for another party.

Yeah, it's mad.

Alexander Graham Bell's first telephone call was to his assistant, Thomas A.

Watson.

Bell uttered the famous words, Mr.

Watson, come here.

I want to see you.

Wow, quick

sexual, almost.

Definitely.

Well, look, this go, a lot of men invented things.

I think a lot of men who allegedly had maybe some zesty tendencies invented things because they had they needed to meet other men.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they didn't want to say out in public, hey.

Yeah, exactly.

You needed to, you wanted to be like discreet.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So pick up this little whisper mobile, that little

come hither, the come hither machine,

yeah, the come hither machine.

Wow, that's wild, dude.

That's lovely.

That's amazing, dude.

I didn't know that.

It's uh, and that was March 10th, 1876.

He did it.

Not long before your um grandmother was born.

That's true.

Yeah.

Oh,

it's all coming around now, isn't it?

R.I.P., Melissa.

Melissa, oh, he's texting it.

Sorry, I'm really, it's really rude that I'm pulling my phone out as much as I am.

No, what do you mean?

We have to know.

Oh, mum's mum, Margaret.

Oh, Margaret.

Yeah, Margaret.

I knew it was Margaret.

I would have said that.

Maggie.

Margaret.

Yeah, there you go.

Margaret.

I knew it was Margaret.

Wake up, Maggie.

I think I got something to say to you.

I've done a lot of singing on this podcast so far.

It's great, though.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm really, really taking it in.

He's also a fan of Glasgow Celtic.

Is he really?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Who are you?

Oh, Rod Stewart.

Yeah, yeah.

He passed away, huh?

No, he's alive and well.

Oh, good.

People said he passed.

I'm glad he's doing good now, I think.

I think so.

I think

he just played Glastonbury last week or something.

I was going to be

disappointed for a bit.

Thank God he's alive.

Yes.

Yeah, if you're watching Rod.

Yeah.

You mentioned Glastonbury a few minutes ago.

You just returned, huh?

I just got back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just got just came came back on stage.

A bit of a comeback moment thing.

Yeah, it was lovely.

It was like a really special, special moment.

I didn't, um, two years ago, I basically had like this,

I don't want to call it like a mental breakdown, but it was like a breakdown of sorts on stage that had been a long time coming, to be honest, on stage at Glastonbury in 2023.

And then I took two years off to sort of like recalibrate and re-sort of, you know, did a lot of therapy and got myself in a much better headspace and dealt with, I had been told I had Tourette's and stuff, and that was really causing me a lot of stress.

And I didn't know how to deal with it.

And now, yeah, after these two years off, I really wanted to come back and, you know, do Glastonbury and sort of like, as a mental sort of win, sort of finish the thing that I couldn't finish before.

And it was amazing.

Yeah, like really, really special.

Maybe like the best day of my life, to be honest.

It was a really, really special.

moment and I'm just yeah, I'm really glad that we got to got to do it.

And it was just, yeah, blew my mind a bit.

mad mad mad mad yeah i mean i've seen the videos it looks uh you can feel the energy in both in both of the uh

the the the the performances i've seen on youtube you can feel the energy in both of them was part of you like glad like

you know there's this weird like because you're very transparent, I feel like, with your audience.

I feel like as much as you can be.

And I think as a human, right?

You try to put yourself out there

as

well as you know yourself.

Yeah.

And that's how you try to present yourself.

Yeah.

And of course, we're always like getting to know ourselves more.

Right.

And so that will change over time.

Were you,

were you glad almost in a weird way that some of that kind of like, I don't want to call it a breakdown, but some of like that, like that, that reel of a moment in your life, was there a little bit of you that was glad or were you scared that it happened in such a public way?

Does that make any sense?

No, no, it makes complete sense.

And I was.

I was so happy.

Like when I came off stage, like, when it happened and when it was happening, I was, it was like the lowest moment of my life, and it was horrible.

But, like, I made this,

uh, I had this moment where I was on stage, like two or three songs in.

I was like, this is the last time I'm going to play a gig for a long time.

I was like, I need to try and get through the rest of the show, but right, when I come off, I'm done.

So, when I got off stage,

it was obviously again horrible on at the moment on stage and you know, experiencing it or whatever.

But

excuse me,

i when i got off stage everyone else around me was a bit like oh this is the worst thing ever and i had this weird sort of

a weight had been lifted of like oh now

this thing's happened and i have to get help sort of thing it wasn't i had been putting it off because funnily enough a few weeks prior to that show in glass and me we were playing in chicago

and i had a very similar episode it was probably even worse uh the one in chicago i couldn't come back on stage and finish the song i was like backstage convulsing and having like this crazy panic attack, mental

episode.

It was really, really bad.

Way worse than what happened at Glastonbury.

But because Glastonbury is such a, like you say, like a big stage and a big moment, it was the first time people outside of maybe, you know, my shows or whatever had seen it.

So, yeah, at Glastonbury, when I came off stage, it was weird.

I had this, oh, everything's all right now, and I can actually go and get help and fix myself for the next two years.

And it was, um,

yeah, in a weird way, it's probably the best thing that ever happened to me at that moment at Glastonbury in 2023 because it was just,

I wouldn't have stopped otherwise.

If I had, if I could like think, I'm really bad for,

I'll say it, I'll say it, I am really bad.

I was really bad for

not saying no to things, yeah, like feeling like, oh, this is going to pass me by if I don't say yes to this.

All this amazing stuff's coming at me now, and I have to to like catch it all and sort of get it all done and

do this.

Um, otherwise, these moments are going to pass me by, and I'm, you know, it's never going to happen again.

So, I said yes to way too much, and I took way too much on.

Everyone around me was like,

was asking me, Are you sure this is okay?

She was saying, I was like, Yeah, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine.

Um, but yeah, so Glastonbury 2023 was for sure the biggest, like,

um,

was yeah, really important, um, and like my, yeah, maybe the most important day of my life, to be honest, because it was such a um

yeah, I wouldn't have stopped otherwise.

Do you know what I mean?

It was like almost like a blessing, kind of, yeah.

It's like someone upstairs was like, this has to happen now, otherwise,

I don't want to think about where I would be now if I hadn't continued to do it because we may go to Australia and stuff like that.

And you could have fallen apart, man.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

It could have been really, really,

yeah, horrible.

I dread to think what would have happened otherwise.

Do you know what I mean?

So, and yeah, a bit of a blessing in disguise, I think, for sure.

And I, you know, what i thought about i like

um i felt like it was just like i think we're at a time where people just want to see something that's real yeah yeah yeah for sure you know they want to see somebody that's like

you know that's not hiding all their tough times you know that's trying to at least be earnest as earnest as you can you know um

so yeah i just thought it was um

yeah i don't know i think seeing something that's real yeah and especially if it's somebody like you that is

you know, you're an emotional guy, you have a lot of feelings, and it's and you have a lot of feelings that we all have that we can't put into words.

And so, you know, we like look to you to be like this, like,

you know, almost somebody that's like speaking for us.

Not that you're doing that through ego or anything, but just that you're like a conduit for some of the feelings that we can't explain.

Yeah, maybe.

I think so.

But then I look to like other people like that.

Oh, for sure.

I think we all do.

But just the fact that then you are able to like,

just that you're so present and real, it feels like, with your, with, with people and with your fans, or you know, people that support you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That for you to have a real moment, it just, um, I don't know.

I guess,

I don't know exactly what I'm trying to say.

I guess

I'm an idiot.

No, no, no, I know you're mean.

It's like people are sort of craving a bit of like authenticity, I think.

Well, and also, if you hadn't had it in such a real way, would you

nope?

Well, that's like, I think for a long time I was like,

I'm sorry.

No, you're grand, you're grand.

I think for a long time I was like surface level talking about my mental health.

I think for a long time prior to that moment in 2023, I was like,

yeah, I get, I have panic attacks or I get anxious, but I wasn't like really, I feel it, and I still am bad for this now.

Like, I give people enough that sometimes they think they're getting the whole story and actually I'm holding quite a lot back sometimes.

And I think I was doing that quite heavily at the time.

So, when that happened at Glastonbury, it was this real thing of like

the sort of things been the masks been killed off, and it's like this is yeah, you're just there and in front of everybody.

So, um, yeah, as I say, it was like this, um, you, I didn't have had no choice but to confront things, and I think, yeah, I was really taken aback by the sort of outpouring of um love and support that people had shared.

It was really like, like

an emotional time, like coming back and seeing so many people reaching out and being

kind and sort of sharing their stories with me and all this stuff.

It was really special.

But yeah, I know what you mean.

I feel like everybody's looking for something that's a bit real or tangible to sort of hold on to, I think.

Something that's human, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

Did you feel any embarrassment when you came back?

And not that you should or anything.

I just think that feelings are interesting, right?

So sometimes you'll feel embarrassed about things, even if you should.

You know, it's all interesting.

Like we show up to everything with different feelings and trying to, you're, you're always trying to juggle all these feelings in all these moments, you know?

Was there any embarrassment?

Yeah, yeah, I feel, I feel embarrassment all the time.

Honestly, like, I don't know if, I don't know if you agree with this, right?

But like, see, being like famous, I find it's the most embarrassing thing of all time.

Or like well known.

Like I walk into every room and I'm like, either, you're either not famous enough or too famous to be in a room.

I know it sounds like very first of all problems, but let me land here.

But it's like this thing of like, I walk into a room and it's like,

again, I'm totally projecting and no one's probably even looking at me like this.

But like, 100%.

I sometimes feel like either it's like everyone thinks that I think that I'm awesome.

And I'm walking out of a room and I'm like, look at me, I'm this famous guy and blah, blah, blah.

Or people walk into the room and go, oh, who does he think he is doing this or that?

I just feel fame in general and being well-known is the most embarrassing thing to me.

I just get like,

I just feel so like cringed up all the time with like when it comes to like that sort of side of things.

It's the brightest, ugliest suit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah, you're walking into a room and like, I don't know, it's, it's, it's mental.

And then I sort of have this thing where I walk out of a room and I assume that, oh, everyone in this room is probably doesn't like me because they've seen something online that I said once, or they think I try too hard to be silly or funny, or they think I try my music's shit, or they think I think I am better than I am, or I just think.

Yeah, trying to manage people's expectations or thoughts.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And then your whole life becomes, and I know some people are like, listen to these guys who have everything complaining, right?

And I understand that, but we're going to keep doing it for another minute, right?

Just to explore what it's like, because also being popular, it's almost just like life's like an experiment and you have different moments.

Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's horrible, but it's all just like, I look at it as like, okay, this is what's going on now.

And what is this like?

You know?

And

yes, sometimes then you start thinking, okay, I have to spend so much time making sure that everybody thinks that I'm okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

That I'm cool, that I'm okay enough to them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So then that can be like a trap.

It can all be just kind of like,

I don't know.

It can get a little bit interesting.

That's another thing as well.

Like this,

like even like having that thought of like, fuck, is this, yeah, is this complaining too much or whatever?

But like, oh, I'll text these guys in the middle of the night.

Does this seem gay?

Does this seem racist?

Those are two of the big ones.

Am I okay?

These motherfuckers are trying to sleep in their homes.

And their co-workers text me at midnight.

Am I okay?

Like, we don't fucking know.

Look, fucking, look at your ring camera, you idiot.

I don't know.

But that's true.

It's like this thing of like, even the thoughts of, even the thoughts of, even like the thing I just said,

I'm already like overthinking that thing I said about you're either too famous or not famous enough in a room because i'm like i'm embarrassed that i even like even talking about being famous is embarrassing or even like referring to yourself as being famous is embarrassing do you know what i mean and again you're only famous to people who know you really you're not famous to like yeah like thingy so it's like and it i don't know it's such like a

uh

mental you do like so many mental gymnastics i think think about it for sure oh no look man it's interesting to talk about and you know what i think it's it's interesting to imagine um

that it's interesting to imagine that you're important right yeah yeah that's an interesting thing yeah it's like that you're like I've noticed this sometimes like

if other people think I'm important

then it gives me I don't have to think I'm important like it's almost like I'm using the fact that they think I'm important in some way it it's like oh then I can just get my importance through that

instead of creating my own importance for myself.

Does that make any sense or is that crazy?

No, 100%.

It's like you're getting, but then it's that sort of again, I guess it goes back to like external validation.

A hundred percent of that, which is like, I was thinking of this on the way over as well: how, um,

how attack, like, because I'm coming back into this, like, um, like, yeah, you have a new tour coming out, you're coming back into

this walk, stepping into like spotlight again, or like this sort of world again.

And I'm really trying not to

get that validation externally, but it's quite diff, like, I'm just I already feel it like in little bits of things that I've only been

back for like a week and a half here and I'm already like you know looking through comments and getting all the excited when I see like a nice comment and then like really down when I see an awful one and I'm already trying to stop myself and be like no, this is like this is the stuff that you that got you sort of where you were last time.

It's important to not

feed into it.

And it's just, it's just really, yeah, it's like such an interesting thing.

And I don't think it's exclusive to being well-known or being like, I think a lot of it's human, too.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of it's just human stuff, you know.

And I think this, you're almost like, I think with popularity and stuff, you almost become like a lab mouse.

You almost become like just this heightened level of a lot of things.

And so, um, you know, it's interesting to talk about.

Well, dude, as a fan of yours and as,

you know, somebody you've helped me feel, you know,

you know, no homo, dude, have feelings and shit over the years type shit.

but dude yeah i don't think you could ever i think you'd have to try very hard uh

to

to have a realistic person think that you're a bad person i think yeah and likewise like i think that's like um

i think it's that's why i think i'm such a fan of yours as well like i just feel like talking about being real and stuff i like i've seen clips of yours where you're like again showing emotion and stuff and it really it really resonates with me um in a big way so i feel like it's yeah, it's just nice to like,

yeah,

you're funny.

Your grandmother texts me.

Sorry, it's getting fucking kind of crazy, but no, I appreciate it, man.

We're trying our best, you know, and it's and sometimes it's a battle.

And yeah, I didn't mean to interrupt you.

That was kind of mean of me, dude.

I wasn't mean at all.

Honestly, I was rambling.

Um, do you worry?

Uh, but thanks for the nice words, dude.

Yeah, it all becomes, and then you start to become like, well, this how people think you are.

You're,

is that how you really are?

And then you're like, am I holding up just an image of myself?

Who am I?

Even it's all kind of interesting, right?

I think, but as long as you try to just stay aware of that, that's kind of what's going on, then it can all be kind of interesting.

I think it's important to remind yourself who you are away from all this.

I think that's what me having to do.

I pervert away from it.

No offense, ladies.

I don't know.

And no offense, Scott, either.

No, but it's like, I think it's important to have that sort of

awareness of right when when all this is gone, like, who, what, who am I, or what am I?

Yeah, you know, I have more.

I think I have, I'd like to think I had more to offer than you know, singing a few songs or, you know, being silly on social media or stuff like that.

So,

yeah, and more to offer myself, too.

Yeah, that's what I think about sometimes.

Like,

you know, at what point do I start offering, like, trying better to focus on offering things to my own life?

I don't know.

Now, now, now we might be wading into some fucking ego waters, but that's okay.

Yeah, let's back out of that.

Um,

how do you keep things from being different than than like what kind of like led to like some of the

you know like mild traumas or things that happened last time that led you to the point where you were really suffering?

Yeah, I think for me, like I wasn't doing any therapy.

I wasn't really looking after myself at all.

It's not like I'm like hitting the gym like every fucking day or whatever, like whatever.

But like I just think in general, making better choices in terms of

you know, at every aspect of my life.

I do therapy every week now as well, which has been really um

uh beneficial for me.

I think I've really uh

that's really been maybe the biggest, the biggest thing that's switched everything around.

Is your therapist a man or one?

A man, a man named Owen.

Owen O'Kane.

Very nice for you.

Owen what?

O'Kane.

Owen O'Kane.

Yeah, Irish.

Oh, yeah.

God.

So you'll end up decent if you get better.

Yeah, exactly.

At best.

You'll end up decent at best, dude.

Oh, that's him there.

Yeah, yeah, very good.

Is it okay that we say his name and stuff?

I think so, yeah.

I'm sure he'll be more than happy with with it.

Oh, that's class.

Oh, he's an author as well.

Yeah, he's an author.

Oh, that's amazing, man.

He's been amazing.

He's been amazing for me in

the last little while.

It's just been...

Who turned you on to him?

It was my management that got through to him and stuff, who had heard from someone else or whatever.

But it was just when I came off the stage at Glastonbury, it was like immediately, first thing I need is a therapist.

Did they put you in an ice bath when you got off?

Or what did they do?

Did they like just, or did they just fucking sit and have a pint and be like,

that was a wild one.

Like, were you able to calm down right after you came off the stage?

I went, I went out and I went, I flew back to Glasgow that night and went out and had pints.

That's the most Scottish shit I've ever heard, dude.

I did, but yeah, I could be getting a heart transplant these fucking days.

Yeah, no, I woke up and I went straight to straight to the pub.

And so it was just a nice, I just had to like go and do something normal rather than

be around mates and get back to that sort of place.

So, uh, so yeah, I went out and kicked the ass out like properly, but it was, it was very much needed.

Do you know what I mean?

So,

but yeah, and then it became,

yeah, and then afterwards, we did a bunch of shit with therapists and neurologists as well for like my Tourette's and stuff.

I'm take medication for that and all that stuff.

And just in general, we'd try to reduce stress as much as possible.

I think it's been a massive thing.

And I think that's where that's sort of what I was saying about saying no to things is becoming quite a, I'm realizing how

important that can be with

stuff.

Because it's just, it's one of those things of like if it doesn't, oh, this thing, you won't won't get this again if you don't say yes now.

I'm like, okay, cool.

Or somebody will be unhappy or something like that.

Like, yeah, I've done meet and greets, I think, for probably 97% of my shows after, right?

Just for free, just meet, you know.

But sometimes I just can't do it anymore.

And it's okay.

Yeah, of course.

You know, like I had, like, I don't know if it was like, I don't know what happened to me.

Something happened to me like a couple years ago.

I just felt like this loud crack, even like in my head.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I was like, all right.

And I've never been, I don't think, fully the same since then.

Okay.

Yeah.

Really?

But I don't know what happened, you know, but I just knew that I had to shut it down and I had to start taking better care of myself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And because at first I thought the stress was like, oh, you're not working hard enough.

You're not figuring this out well.

But that's not the truth.

The truth was, I just,

you know, like, there wasn't going to be anything left of me.

You know, I just didn't have anything left.

So I had to tighten it up.

Yeah, man.

Definitely.

I think that's the thing as well.

Sometimes you feel like, like you're saying, I like what you said there.

The stress felt like I wasn't doing enough or whatever, but it's actually like taking your foot off the gas as opposed to putting it on.

Yeah, I think that's the important thing.

Yeah, and now I'll shut down.

Like, if it's a certain conversation or somebody's talking to me, sometimes if somebody's speaking in a certain pentameter or things are too fast or something, I'll just say, hey, I can't even be in this conversation.

Like, I just have to, like, because you'll just start to kind of lose your mind.

Yeah.

So, with the Tourette's, was it getting cool or was it getting bad?

Like, what kind, what kind were you getting cut?

This is the cool kind where, you know.

Yeah, no, it wasn't, it wasn't the cool kind.

I was like,

I used to do a sting all the time when I would go like this.

And like, I'd be sitting here having this conversation with you and I'd be like this.

Oh, yeah, like a third base coach in baseball or something, you know?

Yeah, like doing signals.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I used to do that shit.

And I used to like contort my back and stuff in ways.

So I had to get like this.

I wanted to get this feeling in my muscles where it felt like it was pulling and like cracking.

And I was causing myself some real pain.

And I had to just, I just, for some reason in my head, I was like, I need to feel this

know that.

I don't know.

It was almost like it was like,

I, sorry, I'm saying like a lot and it annoys me.

But I think you're doing fine.

All right, cool.

Yeah, good, good, good.

We can do.

No, I've noticed when people say like a lot, I've not noticed that today.

All right, cool, good, good, good.

Yeah, no, it was almost like when I felt I was out of body, I would try and do this like twitch or something to sort of bring myself back in.

Wow.

It was really weird.

It was really weird.

And I looked like I was like like on copious amounts of cocaine.

Like, yeah, like I was tweaking.

Do you know what I mean?

Really, really look like I was tweaking.

Oh, you look like you were hailing a freaking air taxi with Bobby Taylor over there.

Dude, that's fascinating, though.

So you would get a feeling, and then some of the ticks would make you feel like you're almost getting back into your skin.

Yeah, well, that's what I felt like.

And I can't speak for it.

That's fascinating, though.

I think they call it like a pre-monetary urge or something.

Sorry.

And I think

I,

yeah, I was getting them all the time.

And when I was performing, it was like really prevalent because it was like you would get it if you're excited, so any sort of extreme emotion would bring it on or like tired or anything.

So, it was um, yeah, it was bizarre.

It was really, really bizarre, but like

now I'm noticing even more.

But no, it sounds good, premonitory, it's called premonitory urge, yeah.

Thank fuck, I remembered that a premonitory, a premonitory urge is a sensory experience, like an itch or a feeling of pressure that occurs before a tick in individual with Tourette syndrome or other tick disorders.

Uh, premonitory urges are physical sensations.

These urges can manifest as feelings of tension, pressure, an itchy sensation, or a feeling that something is building up and needs to be released.

Wow.

Nice.

Wow.

I definitely

had about for 15 years.

I had a

fuck, I'm still doing bad.

Still doing pretty bad.

Yeah.

I'm just two days off of premonitory urge,

but I needed it.

Couldn't sleep.

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But wow, man, that's kind of fascinating.

Well, one thing that I think is so interesting

about people like you who are like, you know, poets, wordsmiths, and you know, and that's okay, that's what you are, right?

You have an ability to share things through words and language.

Is that when something like this is a part of your world, you can probably express it to people better than some people who don't have that same ability, right?

Yeah, maybe, maybe.

I don't know.

I'm yet to like really delve into it because I'm still like figuring it out as well.

Just no, I find I'm better at

figuring it out, figuring it out, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I find I'm better

at like

sort of talking about something once I've understood it a bit more.

I'm not really good at

talking about things as they're happening.

Do you know what I mean?

Yes, 100%.

Or explaining or writing about stuff as it's like

happening.

I feel like, oh, Jesus Christ.

No, it's like things are better when you have a chance to look at them.

Yeah, yeah, with the benefit of hindsight.

For sure.

Oh, yeah.

So I met.

Oh.

That's the craziest thing about life, though.

Sometimes it's like, I don't get, I'm always waiting for hindsight in my life.

And the problem is then you've gone on.

It's relative term and also you've gone on from whatever the wherever you could have had an effect on things yeah yeah for sure i'll always like delay trying to have like make a choice yeah until things are in hindsight but then it's too late yeah yeah yeah you know sometimes i do that a bit yeah yeah um

when did you go to therapy for the first time ever was it after that no no i went to therapy before i've tried therapy a bunch of times and uh like no it's obviously i'm not um

I don't want to sound disparaging to any other therapists I've been to.

I've been to amazing therapists, but I've never really had like a connection with any of them or like

or sort of felt uh clicked yeah for sure i think a lot of times people go and they think just because they're going to what they're well i don't want to say a lot of times people do things A lot of times I have gone to therapist for years and I didn't know that I was really supposed to have like a relationship that I could be honest in.

It was like finally, this was supposed to be like whether I wanted to pretend like the therapist was my mother or my girlfriend or my brother or a friend.

I could pretend like they were that and say things to them that I've always wanted to say to that other person.

But I never realized that that's how it was a good way to use a therapist.

I always just thought a lot of times it was like just sit and talk only about how I feel.

And it didn't matter if I was learning anything.

I just thought, oh, since I'm going to a therapist, you're ticking a box there or something.

Right, I'm checking a box.

I didn't even realize that.

Anyway, sorry to interrupt you.

No, no, for sure.

And I think just to your point there, I was going to a lot of these therapists and I was just,

I felt like I was just saying what they wanted to hear after a certain point.

I was looking at the clock and sort of being like, right, okay, what is the, what is the thing I can say to get me out of here, the quickest store,

that makes them think I've like,

I wanted them to think that I had a grasp of like my mental health.

Oh, yeah, I want to be my own doctor sometimes.

And they would say stuff and I would then, I just found myself, I was, I was parrying everything that they were sort of when it went or when things, and this is what's great about my current therapist is really good at this.

If we go somewhere, he can sense when I'm being avoidant or being sort of

being avoidant is the word, and he sort of pulls me back in and is saying,

There's a reason you're being sort of wishy-washy here or anything like that.

So, was there an initial moment when you noticed them?

Like, was there like one moment that you're like, oh, wow.

What with this therapist?

Yeah.

Yeah, It was actually, I cancelled a session.

I cancelled two sessions back to back.

And he was on it, like giving me.

I don't want to say grief, grief's the wrong word, but like

he was saying, I don't, we don't have to do this.

He was very like forthcoming in the fact of, if you don't want to do this, this is totally fine.

But

it feels like you're not engaging with this in a way that's

beneficial to you or to or like wasting his time as well.

So

for me, I was, that was like a

really, I really respond to that sort of not letting me away with shit.

Do you know what I mean?

And I find that in the sessions now as well.

I find it really beneficial when there's, you know, someone calls.

I like when people call me out on my shit.

Yeah.

Because otherwise I'll just keep shitting.

Keep shitting.

Yeah.

I'll keep on shitting.

I'm always shitting.

Oh, dude, the story of my life.

You just fucking literally explained the story of my life.

It's like,

I'll fucking get a drum.

I'll get some juggling balls.

I'll tell a riddle, I'll fucking do whatever I gotta do

for you not to corner me in a fucking serious moment.

100%, 100%.

So yeah, that's been, I just found that to be really,

I don't know, like it was very,

I don't know, I just felt it was really good for me to get that sort of response from someone to be like, I don't like what you're doing here, or this isn't conducive to a healthy relationship with therapy.

Wow.

So yeah, it was funny.

That was probably the one that I was like, okay, this is, this seems to be,

this might be the guy for me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dude, yeah, I think now I have Tourette's when I

like I every this is when I get Tourette's.

It's like if I'm sitting somewhere with my freaking girlfriend or whatever, and she's like, I don't think this is working out or whatever.

And this is why.

And then I just like get Tourette's.

Like, I just can't be honest, you know?

I just get so scared to be honest.

I'm like, and I don't really get like threats like you're saying, but it is, but, but it is a form of threats.

It's this, it's this, get me out of here.

Yes.

It's this get me out of, get just, yeah, get me out of like

I dislike, I don't know, it's so hard for me to stay in a moment

with one other person.

It's hard for me to stay in a moment that's not completely in my control.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Do you ever find that with like people?

I always find I'm really good in groups, but then sometimes if I'm just one-on-one with someone, even if it's someone I've known my whole life, I'll be like, like, What the fuck did I say to that?

Yeah, what the fuck is your name?

Something in the car, my daddy.

Yeah,

you're standing there with your grand.

What do you say again to people?

Like, what is the thing you're meant to?

How am I meant to start a conversation with someone?

Do you know what I mean?

Even like my best friends, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think I'm a good auxiliary player, you know what I mean?

Good sideline player, but um, but yeah, no, I uh I empathize with that situation for sure.

I, I think, I think I never thought about it till just now, yeah, yeah, but that's my Tourette.

It's like this, like,

and I literally can feel my fucking skin being like why are you keeping us here

you know yeah yeah for sure and like yeah i mean i remember one time having a conversation like a real conversation with a girlfriend in the car and i literally put the window down and hung my fucking arms out of the window like Like I wanted to get out.

Like as much of me as could be out here needed to not be in this vehicle

having this real moment of me having to commit to this relationship.

I'm going to pee really fast.

Can we take a break for just a minute?

Please.

Okay.

Empty this tank.

Yeah, dude.

Thanks for sitting.

Let's take a wee.

Oh, you guys call it a wee.

I just took a pee.

Took a wee.

A pes.

That's crazy that it's one to just, we're not, because we're only six hours away from each other by ocean, and we call it somehow the letter change.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's true.

It's fucking baffling.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A pes or a slash.

Ooh.

A slash is a good one.

I'm going for a slash.

Going for a slash.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you come back with blood on your clothes.

Your fucking neighbor's missing.

See, it's crazy how that changed as well from going to America.

Over there, you're going for a slash.

You're just going to fill up a toilet, you know?

Over here, it's something more sinister.

Yeah, over here, you're fucking making a date line episode.

It's just crazy how things just really fall off as you go across the ocean.

No, but man, yeah, thanks for talking about some of that because even it's helped me think like some of those things, it's like hard to realize until you get into conversations where you're talking about some of this stuff, you know?

Yeah, of course.

And then you got to be careful because your ego will start to be like, you know, what you're talking about.

So, that for me, Sina's, is a trap.

And I think I gotta like just go to more recovery meetings and stuff.

So, I don't get just that I'm the only voice I'm hearing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

Yeah, that's when it gets really scary for me.

Like, then I feel like I know something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the thing.

That's why I'm like, I'm really enjoying this because

we've been doing the interviews all day, and it's very one

sort of one way.

And you start, I don't know if you find this that if you're doing stuff or whatever, promo or whatever, but like,

yeah, you're just talking about yourself all the time.

And I feel like it just becomes this, like,

I don't know, it just fucks me in ahead slightly.

Yeah, well, it's a shitty song, especially if you're a creative person.

I feel like after a while, just talking about yourself is just a song you've played, you know, and it's not even,

it's just like pieces of you that

it's almost like fool's gold, some of it in a way.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

That's one thing I noticed about you, man, is just even in asking one question to me, it's like, because it's really kind of a conversation, you know?

Yeah, of course.

Was drinking or anything like that a part of like stuff that because if you were on the road, like drinking diet, um,

like not getting massages, this massages is something that's helped me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Were there things that you had to adjust

that were also creating more havoc for you?

Yeah, for sure.

I feel like I definitely drank too much initially, like with my um

I basically had cut out booze completely when we were on tour, um, on these like w like for the last like 2022, I'd say I stopped drinking when I was on tour or whatever, uh, or 2023, I can't remember.

But, um, uh, yeah,'cause booze, like, I I like having a good time.

Oh, yeah.

I love having a a good time and I and I really enjoy I wouldn't be someone who sits by themselves and has

like smashes beers or whatever, I'm much more social like the social aspect of boozing and going out and having a nice time and stuff.

So, but yeah, I definitely, um

I wouldn't say I was a problem drinker, but it was definitely getting in the way.

There was an amazing

thing that a guy, we were supporting

Sam Smith on tour in 2018, and the monitor engineer was a guy called Lee.

Was it Lee?

Remember Lee?

And he said

to me,

remember this thing?

He was like, you can get fucked up and you can fuck up, but don't fuck up because you were fucked up.

And I feel like that's really stuck with me.

And there has been times where I have done that.

Like I have fucked up because I was fucked up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

up.

Do you know what I mean?

And I feel like for me, that was, but it is something that always ruminates, like, sort of

like ruminates around in my head.

And I feel, um, yeah, I've definitely had to like curtail my aboozing at times and be a bit more

responsible.

Responsible, yeah, choose my battles with it a little bit more if because there's always an excuse to go out and and have a have a nice time and and go have a drink or do this or that.

And I'm like, all I'm I'm sort of all or nothing with it a bit.

Do you know what I mean?

I'm not, again, not like

I'm an alcohol.

I just,

if I'm going out, I'm going out.

Do you know what I mean?

I'm not.

Yeah, well, I think it's also part of you guys' culture a lot.

Yeah, yeah.

Like the binge drinking in the UK is like a,

feels like a bigger thing than.

Yeah, you forgot your fucking grandmother.

Yeah.

I was saying in no judgment.

Nan, we miss you.

We miss you, Margaret Melissa.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We miss both of you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But look.

But yeah, if you fucking drank so much through your childhood that you don't remember your grandmother, yeah, dude.

People aren't shocked if you're like, hey, I think I just need to have some checks and balances.

Yeah, exactly.

But, um, but yeah, no, and like you say, diet and stuff like that has been important.

I'm trying not to eat as much shite.

I've lost, um, I don't know what it would be in pounds.

Two stone since, what is two stone in pounds?

Two cents, 40 pounds, I think.

Let's take a gander at it.

28 pounds.

28 pounds since the start of the year, which I'm kind of.

Yeah, I feel good about that.

And I want to lose more and stuff, but the problem with it when you're really fat, because I was 20 stone at the start of the year, so what is that?

I'm giving my weight away here.

What type is it?

I was 280 pounds at the start of the year.

How do you understand that guy?

You heard him?

He uses no letters at all.

Fucking two letters, 11 words.

God, I would never figure you out in a crossword puzzle.

I'd never.

fucking, if you had a crossword puzzle, it'd be this be

70 words in it.

I'm just joking, man.

No, no, no.

But yeah, so I'm trying to like get on top of that and stuff and just really,

yeah, sort that stuff out as well.

But obviously, it's a process.

Do you have like, do you have like a, like, more of a team now supporting you?

Or do you have to bring other people on?

I mean, you said you got a therapist, now you work with some.

I have a brother's training me at the minute.

Oh, that's good.

The brother that I text and stuff, he's like a qualified person trainer now.

Oh, that's great.

So he's been coming down to London and training me and stuff.

So that's been lovely.

And with diet and stuff, he's been helping, etc.

Nice.

You feel better about it?

Yeah, I feel better about it.

I'm not, I hate it.

I hate exercising.

Yeah.

I fucking hate it.

Like, it's, I mean, people can probably tell by looking at me, but like, I'm not, I fucking hate it.

Oh, dude, there's this, pull up my TikTok, the save ones.

There was this dude the other day.

He had the funniest thing that I saw on there.

It's a

kind of like a black guy, about 30 years old, but it was pretty good.

Theo safe TikTok's hood Easter bunny, sex human implanted with new like plays of games, kitty study about microplastics.

This is a real uh oh, this is behind the scenes of my brain.

You get inside the brain here.

I didn't realize that till just now.

This is a little bit uh alarming.

I ain't gonna lie, you never realize how long a minute is

until your ass starts fucking exercising.

It's so true, it's so true.

Honestly, you never realize how long a minute is When you do like a plank.

Yeah.

You're like, what?

Fuck me.

Yeah, yeah.

It's intense.

We got all the time in the world.

Who is that guy?

I just want to say his name.

Richie Gatz.

Richie Gatz.

Richie Gatz.

Shout out to Richie Gats.

Shout out to Richie Gatz.

That's hilarious, dude.

Dude, you have to get on a bunch of medication.

You're right.

I'm on an antipsychotic just now called Arepiprazole.

I was on antidepressants.

I was on Sertrine, which I think is Zolost.

Oh, yeah, I'm on there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That was interesting.

Really,

I couldn't,

it didn't really, it just made me numb.

Yeah, I can't feel a lot.

Yeah, can't feel a lot.

And really, I couldn't get like a hard on to save my life.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, and when I did, it would be like this, it would be like a roller coaster that just kept going up.

Oh, it never came down.

You know what I'm saying?

Oh, dang.

It was like, it was an intense period of time.

But I,

but, yeah, so I came off that.

But then the thing is, coming off it is like an is really an intense experience.

Unreal.

And no one really gave me that heads up.

So I was like, really, like, low and

sort of, I wouldn't say I've ever,

I'm always really careful about using the word depressed or whatever, but it's the closest I've felt to that feeling, I feel like, in my life.

Yeah, it's scary.

It feels like a trap door inside of you opened up, like, right in the middle of it.

Yeah,

spot on.

Like, it was so, um, yeah, so, so intense.

So, um, yeah, I was on that for a bit.

And I don't think I

maybe needed to be on that, especially for as long as I was, and for the dose I was on, or whatever.

Um, but uh, yeah, this I'm only on this arpepazole antipsychotic, it's like five milligrams.

It was really scary when they were like, um,

when they offered it up, and yeah, because it sounds scary, antipsychotic.

I'm like, I'm not, I'm not psychotic.

I hope we're doing better than that,

100%,

yeah.

But I, yeah, but I'm on it now, and five milligrams before I go to bed, and it's helped change my life, genuinely, really, yeah, yeah, it's genuinely been a massive, massive help.

Um, it's just everything, like my mood, my anxiety levels are so low these days.

I'm just the stress that I used to feel.

I don't feel the stress.

I mean, I don't know if it's all related to this or other choices.

I guess it's an amalgamation of things, right?

But, um, that's amazing, though.

What's that called?

Areprazole.

Maybe I'll try it.

Yeah, get on that shit.

Oh, yeah, I'll buy a bag of that.

Yeah, what are the uses?

Can we go down to the uses that treat a rate and range of mental health?

Arepreprazole is used to treat a range of mental health conditions.

Tourette's schizophrenia, bipolar one, major depressive disorder, irritability associated with autism inspector's disorder, and Tourette's.

There you go.

Made it in the very end.

Yeah, just snuck in there.

Snuck in there at the end.

As the door was closing, slid on my knees.

Maybe I would try that, man.

Oh, what do you think about your songs being used for like on the voice and stuff like that?

I'm all for it, man.

In these foreign countries, though.

Sing fast and lift with a melody then.

This is beautiful.

This is a really lovely thing.

That is cool.

I mean, yeah, you're right.

Can you write this?

I wrote a song, yeah.

I wrote this one, yeah.

Oh, and he gotta turn around.

Come on there.

Well, hope so.

It's a damn kid.

Look at him.

At least turn around and tell him,

give him some Uber money.

These are rich people.

No, this is incredible.

I think this is beautiful.

I mean, this is like a really nice

use of it and stuff.

And he's great.

Incredible.

Wow, dude.

Imagine how brave you have to be to be that age and be able to continue to stand there and sing.

Go on.

Pretty good.

That's good.

I think you should sell the song to him.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

You know, I love all this.

I think.

Oh, it's cool, man.

Yeah, this is cool, man.

I hadn't seen this.

Yeah.

Something's going on.

Look at him just channeling.

Yeah, it gets a little bit too good, though.

Do you know what I mean?

Fucking just relax.

Just calm down a little bit.

Yeah, like, huh?

Somebody throw him a freaking rugby ball.

Definitely put him on the pitch and see who he really is.

Yeah, a little bit too fucking good for my liking.

Oh, that's beautiful.

Now, that's amazing.

That's incredible.

And what's that young man's name?

Wow.

Oh, wow.

Jarn.

Bjarn?

Bjarn.

Go on, Bjarn.

Go on, Bjarn.

That's amazing, man.

Yeah, you know, I just think it's interesting.

Even watching that, it's like music's just such a

conduit for other people to feel, you know?

And it's crazy that the words can come out of some person, some pin, some

moment, a feeling, and then it can metastasize.

And this thing, I think,

you never expect, like when you're writing the the song you're not thinking about that you're not thinking someone will sing this on a tv show in germany or or a tv show like they did it in like the masked singer and stuff over here it's just like it feels really um

i guess it's like an honor that that people would take it and and want to sing it like that yeah especially someone who's like a 10-year-old kid you know oh yeah pretty um pretty spectacular so um yeah i love it man i just want to anything that gets and this thing it's getting the music out there and it's people are hearing it and yeah i think it's uh just

such yeah, it's amazing when that starts to happen Do is it tough to try to like whenever you recalibrate to write again, right?

When you recalibrate

I know you have a new song survivor.

No,

survivor that just came out.

Yeah, yeah.

Um

is it tough to and congrats.

It's great, man.

Thanks, man.

Yeah, I just started listening to it.

So sometimes it takes me a bit even with songs.

I'll listen to somebody's album the first time and be like, that's trash.

Yeah.

Two weeks later, I will be fucking

crying in the fucking back of my car.

Yeah, yeah, I'm the exact same.

By myself, dude, I drove myself there and then got in the back and cried.

You're like, this is bad, but the music's good.

What is it hard to recalibrate?

Like, do you feel like you have to write for the, like, now you write trying to write for the stars?

Like, how does that get?

That's got to be interesting, huh?

Yeah, I think

I'm not like a massive

fan of.

I didn't grow up writing poetry or grow up, I wanted to play live gigs.

And I, so it became a thing of

right, everyone I know who plays live gigs, who I look up to as like singers or whatever, they all have their own songs.

So I will write my own songs.

And then everyone I know who at the time

who I looked up to, they all played guitar.

So I'll learn how to play guitar.

So that I need to learn a guitar so I can write songs to then play them live.

Do you know what I mean?

So it was always just a, everything was a means to an end to get on stage and play live.

So even now, I'm like, when I'm in,

you know,

studios or whatever,

I find it, I do struggle a lot with like writing.

That song there took me like a year to finish.

Like, that thing of

people saying,

you know, and I do get it, the best songs come the quickest or whatever, but that's like my biggest song.

And that's

that took me so long.

And I think there is something to be said for, you know, persevering with stuff like that a little bit.

But so, yeah, when I get back to writing now, it is sometimes it's really difficult.

Like, I really

have a hard time.

Just

I find it hard sometimes to get what I'm thinking,

articulate what I'm trying to say.

I suppose.

And I find that in lots of different walks of life or whatever.

But

with

writing especially, I don't find it as easy as maybe.

I think I overthink things now a a lot more, and

because I feel like people might actually hear this thing that I'm making, do you know what I mean?

Whereas before,

before it was like, no cunt's gonna fucking listen to this, do you know what I mean?

So, um, I um, yeah, I really uh

yeah, I really now overthink that, but again, this is something I'm trying to unlearn and sort of get back to sort of basics and just write for me, and because I want to write and because I want to play and stuff like that.

So, um, yeah, it's it's always a bit of a difficult thing for me i don't i don't find it

i don't like wake up i have to write something today do you know i mean that doesn't like uh not always any not always anyway right i feel like um you've got to follow the feelings when you do have them so for example i haven't written a song in like six months recently yeah so for the last six months i've not written anything good for you though yeah yeah i feel like it was important to not

to just take a bit of a break off.

I don't know if it's the same way like when you're doing stand-up or oh I think there's times times like I'm looking forward to taking a little bit of a break, but at the same time, there's a part of me that's looking forward to starting with new stuff.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm just grateful that that little part of me exists because there's times that I'm like, well, I still want to do this.

Or, you know, I think we all kind of feel those things at certain moments of like taking a break from something.

Will it still be there when we come back?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then let's say the absence that makes you

when you miss it, that's a massive thing as well.

Like missing that sort of thing.

Where you hear somebody write a great joke and you're like, I got to give it.

I got to try again.

Of course, yeah.

Like the other day, I heard Chris Rock talking, and I was like, oh, he's just my favorite.

Yeah, and him and Louis TK.

And I was like, oh man, I just can't even believe.

Like, I gotta get out there and try again and see what else is inside of me if there's more that I'm capable of.

It's not necessarily like a competitive thing.

Maybe it's that I always find when I hear, if a friend of mine writes an amazing song and I hear it on the radio, and I go, fuck, that's so incredible.

It's not like I'm not wanting to, oh, I need to be better than them.

It's like, oh, I'd love to try and write something that comes anywhere close to how great that is.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

Or just to see what's in me.

I had no idea what's inside of me.

Yeah.

I didn't know anything was inside of me.

Exactly.

You know, and then some shit came out.

And, you know, and it's been in it.

So, yeah, just like trying to figure out what's inside of me.

Is there a lyric that you've ever written that you feel really proud of?

Kind of like, is there one that

there's like a song I wrote called How I'm Feeling Now, which I wrote when I was really in the sort of shit

with stuff, and the lyric is

so here's to my beautiful life that seems to leave me so unsatisfied, no sense of self, but self-obsessed.

I'm always trapped inside my fucking head, on and on and on.

I thought I'd be happier somehow.

If you were wondering how I'm feeling now,

and it's kind of about like my

how I was feeling in terms of I've got everything I ever wanted, and I'm this like, Yeah, I'm so sad.

Do you know what I mean?

And I don't feel how I thought I would feel when I I when I got to this point.

So that's something I'm really proud of.

There's also a song on this upcoming

we're doing an EP at the minute, or we're releasing a bunch of stuff.

And there's a song called The Day That I Die that I'm really, really proud of.

It's just like,

yeah, it's a bit.

It's

about that time when I was really feeling at my lowest that I'm really excited for people to hear.

That's cool, man.

Yeah, man.

No, I'm buzzing.

I'm buzzing about getting out there and seeing what people think.

Yeah.

Yeah, I wonder.

I'm trying to think.

Like, I love,

I like a lot of like

UK, like, like, Dermot Kennedy came on the podcast.

Yeah, yeah.

Dude, that'd be, if you and him did a collaboration, that'd be pretty amazing.

He's incredible.

He's so good.

Dermot and I, we were releasing stuff.

We kind of come up around the same time, especially in that UK, Ireland sort of scene and stuff.

But he is, his voice is like, if I,

when I was growing up, if there was an artist like Dermot Kennedy around, that was the sort of artist that I would have been like, all in on.

That would have been like my sort of

that's my type of shit, too.

I mean, like, his last song, Let Me In or something, I think it's called, is brilliant.

It's an amazing, amazing song.

He's kicking a gander at it real quick.

Let me in.

I could have stayed, never went home.

It might have been brief, but at least I was free from all of my ghosts.

Yeah.

That live in my head like reflections on water that only come once

I still haven't learned deceptions in the cinematic version of law

I can't get ignored these

days

All the world doesn't sing to me quite how it used to seem

This

life

is a touch too damn much for me Maybe that's meant for me.

Cause I know there's a room where I'm happy.

But I can't find my way to the door.

Tell me who wins the war.

In my heart and my head, I forgot what I'm suffering for.

He's brilliant.

He's great, man.

That's awesome.

Yeah, dude, if you guys did, there'd be no tears.

They'd fuck.

The oceans would be full.

If you and Derrick McKinney did a song together, the oceans would be full, man.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It'd be done.

It'd be a rap.

It'd be 100% saltwater for the planet.

We're done.

The deserts are done.

I'd love to, man.

Or James Blake.

Did you ever listen to James Blake?

I like James Blake as well.

Yeah, retrograde and stuff like that.

Yeah, if you guys had like a, I'm just trying to think of things that I like.

Sorry, I'm trying to compare things.

Yeah, or just like an up, because then it would be like, or like, I wonder if he, I wonder if he's ever done any remix of your stuff.

I don't know.

I'm just thinking of like, I guess, British artists that I know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But James is such a.

You ever listen to Sam Fender?

Sam Fender?

Sam Fender's incredible.

Uh-uh.

Kind of like, he's got that sort of like Bruce Springsteeny thing going on as well.

He's, he's fucking, he's probably like one of the biggest, maybe the biggest in the UK just now.

Is he really?

Yeah, he's, he's, I went to see him at uh fucking

uh at London, London Stadium recently.

It was uh, he's he's a fucking special, special, special.

That was wow.

And it says he just cancelled shows to us.

He had mental health.

He was sucking.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like, do you know what's so funny?

It's become

every single...

This is again, not to go back to like fame or whatever, or even just, it's really

kind of sad, but like every

person I know who's achieved something that they grew up aiming for or dreaming of or whatever seems to have this sort of, seems to struggle with it when it...

when they get it.

Well,

I think we're at a time where there's never been as much coverage of things.

There's never been, we've never been in this time before

as society.

We've had people that have had popularity and fame over years, right?

Or have achieved different amazing things or interesting things.

But we've never had this much coverage, this much,

I think, this much reflection of ourselves.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, and I think people are suffering from it at all.

I think it's a little bit of people are.

dealing with that at all levels.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, at all levels of their lives.

But it is kind of fascinating because every

generation you're into a new experience.

So, how does fame fit in this world

when the reflection in the pond has gotten so much bigger?

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, man.

But yeah, something upbeat.

Like if you guys and James Blake did like a traps, just something like fucking, you know, because he does like some, I'm just thinking of interesting things that I like.

But I'll have to check out Sam Fender.

Yeah, you do.

Let me think.

I want to ask you another.

Oh, do you have a brother?

You have a brother?

I got two brothers and a sister.

I'm the youngest of four.

And what are they like?

They're good, man.

They're great.

Obviously, we're all two years apart.

Yeah, same in my family.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So

how many are you often?

Four total, two and two.

Oh, is it?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Fucking brilliant.

There you are.

Any hotties in your, in your.

It's an old American joke, you know.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's an old Catholic joke.

I'm Catholic as well.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah,

brother.

Good on your sir.

Oh, that's us.

Oh, there you go, right there.

There you go.

That's me on the left there with the big ears.

Oh, there you go.

Christ, I got some myself, Lan.

Yeah, there you go.

Oh, yeah.

That's a good noise to make.

We'll be fine.

Oh, mine can hear yours.

I think I'm wine or bigger.

Okay, take me left to right.

That's you right there.

And when's this picture taken?

Do you know?

I must be about two there, so maybe like 1998, 1989.

Maybe, I don't know.

I'm totally fucking guessing.

But that's my sister Danny there.

That's my brother, Warren.

Warden?

Warren.

Oh, wow.

W-A-R-R-E-N.

Oh, Warren.

Warren.

And that's Aiden on the right there.

But yeah, they're great.

Like, I love them.

What do they like?

What does Danny like to do?

She likes to.

She's a very social person.

She's very outgoing, very funny.

Oh, beautiful lady.

Yeah, they are.

And yeah, they're all

great.

Like, we get on.

And what about Warren?

Is he all right?

Yeah, he's great.

He was a musician as well.

He kind of got me into sort of music and stuff like that.

He was sort of the,

I guess, the catalyst for all.

Oh, oh, yeah, uh, he's the older brother, he's the oldest.

So, everybody wants to be like their older brother, yeah, yeah, of course, man.

He's uh, yeah, he's amazing, he's a great guy, and um, Aiden as well, the closest me and Aiden used to share a room, so we're probably like let's say maybe the closest of the four of us, but it's a weird, it's an interesting one because it's like

I do it obviously with anything, but if one of them phoned me and was like, Do you want to go for a beer?

I'd be like, What's happened?

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What's going on here?

Do you know what I mean?

It's that sort of relationship, but they're uh, but yeah, they're great, it's amazing, very, very close family and my mum and dad as well.

Yeah, um, it's It's a really

nice sort of support network.

Yeah, I saw some of your family on the documentary, I think.

Yes, on Netflix.

It was pretty cool to see.

Yeah, man.

Yeah, they're great.

My dad and my mum are very

no-nonsense, like

working class.

They're Scotts.

Proper, proper, proper, just sort of the earth people.

And I feel like that's really helped.

Like, they're very self-deprecating.

We all take the piss out of each other, stuff like that.

So it feels um, yeah,

that's really sort of shaped, I guess, who

I am these days.

Do you know what I mean?

But it's, they're, they're a great, it's amazing to have them because I speak to the most.

My mom and dad, especially, I speak to the most most days.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I try to anyway.

Um, but yeah, it's um, yeah, they're great.

Nice, man.

Yeah, it's so nice to include them too.

Yeah.

Um,

you were working with BetterHelp.

I want to do want to say that before you leave because they sponsor our program a lot.

And we'll have them in this episode too.

Yeah.

Um, but you are working with BetterHelp to give away.

Yeah,

734,000 free hours of therapy is the thing.

It was like,

so it's an hour, a thousand hours for every single day that I took off and I was away from touring and all the rest of it.

I just feel like therapy was such a positive experience for me and things that I did.

And really, yeah, it just really made me feel quite...

It's just got me back to where I was.

Yeah, we were talking about it.

It's part of your life now.

Yeah, and I feel like if I can sort of

give people, because I don't necessarily think therapy is for everybody at all.

Some things are better left in a box under the bed.

Do you know what I mean?

I think, yeah.

Talking about you, Ireland.

But the shame in Ireland, fuck, they should have a fucking, they should have a Catholic guilt, the Catholic guilt.

Yeah, they should have, they should be, Ireland should be sponsored by Better Health.

But yeah, no, and I feel like if I could

open up any sort of door for someone to try therapy for the first time or get, because sometimes it's expensive expensive as well.

And oh, yeah, and it's in the UK.

Obviously, we've got the NHS free healthcare, but sometimes that's like overrun at the minute, and people are really struggling to get seen and get therapy through the NHS and stuff sometimes.

And people might not have the means to go private or what else.

So, um, so yeah, it was just one of these things.

And thank God fucking shout out to BetterHelp for being up for it and being sort of,

yeah, being so

forthcoming and being sound enough to

do this with us.

I think it's, yeah, hopefully it helps some people.

And that's the thing.

Even just having that first experience with therapy, you know, and learning what it's about.

And then also not feeling like, okay, now I have a therapist that this has to be perfect.

It's just like a relationship in life.

You try and find a good relationship.

You find one that fits, but you also don't want one that fits too great because then it can just be a place of comfort where,

you know, you're...

Like I liked a little bit of conflict with my therapist because then I would be like, there would be times I'd be sitting with my therapist and I'd be like,

I would want to say, like, at first, I'd be like, I want to, I didn't like what they just said, right?

Say they said something, I didn't like what they said.

Yeah.

But instead of saying that, I would just get quiet.

Yeah,

right.

But then finally, one day I was like, I didn't like what you just said to me.

Right.

And then they were like, okay, that's great.

Right.

Let's work with that.

Yeah.

You know, opens up a conversation.

Right.

But instead, I'd always been this other way, like, oh, I shouldn't want to hurt their feelings or this type of thing, you know.

Exactly.

But once I was able to change, and I realized, oh, that's their job.

Their job is

they're, they're hoping for that because it gives them something to work with.

I was operating with this different thing, like, oh, everything's supposed to be completely kind of copacetic, you know.

Yeah, yeah, for sure, man.

Um,

what else did I want to say?

That's about it.

You have a tour.

Well, I could talk to you forever, man.

Yeah, man.

Like, thank you so much for having us on.

I really appreciate it.

Yeah, dude.

It's so cool.

I was so excited about this, man.

I think a couple of years ago, we started kind of DMing each other and stuff.

And

I just like, yeah, thank you so much for all the music that helps us feel, you you know, yeah, man, no, and thank you for fucking everything you do.

Like, this podcast, like, I'm listening every week, so it's like a oh, class, man, exactly.

It's uh, no, but it has been uh really fucking helpful for me in times as well, so I really appreciate it.

You bet, dude.

Yeah, I can't even believe we get to do this shit, you know,

um,

this great shit, this great shit, yeah, yeah, sorry,

but no, dude, it's uh,

yeah, it's cool, dude.

It's just it's cool that we get to sit here and talk about this stuff, and and um, yeah, I'm excited for the new tour.

So, are you you're about to go to australia right i go yeah i've just announced the australia tour we've got a uk tour in september as well and was this stuff that was on the docket you had to cancel it before

the australia tour is almost the exact same tour that we cancelled but um so yeah that's that one but the uk is just a fresh one sort of get us tuned up a bit and get us back into the swing of things and then yeah hopefully america next year and do some bits and bobs and i just want to do as much as fucking possible i'm like i'm back now and i really want to just dig in a bit and yeah and get things things fucking get things going again.

So,

yeah, man, I'm fucking excited.

Well, as fans, we'll be here when you get to us, you know.

So, don't, you know, don't feel like you got to, you know, welcome back.

Yeah, man.

Or whatever.

I don't know what the fuck am I talking about.

I don't know shit.

Yeah, I think everybody's just quite here feeling good and excited to hear what you do, you know, and whatever you don't do.

You're already great, man.

Thank you, man.

I appreciate that.

Louis Capoldi, man.

Thank you, brother.

Thank you, Theo, man.

Honestly, what a pleasure.

Yeah, cheers.

And Margaret.

Margaret, not Molessa.

Sorry, mum, for forgetting that.

There you are.

Godspeed, woman.

Now I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

I must be

cornerstone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind.

I found I can feel it

in my bones.

But it's gonna gonna take

a little