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Today's guest is Mr. Hassan Piker.

it feels like i made so many requests Where I'm like, oh my god, I need to have my dog here All this shit No, dude, I'm just so stylish You're like, probably Yeah, or is that This is the top I mean, both are Japanese, I think, actually Oh, yeah, that it is yeah it's a it's a japanese brand called color with a k and um the pantser adidas y3 yoji amamoto collab damn you don't fuck with fashion at all i i mean i i yeah i don't i mean you got you got a look though i mean i i don't like to have a lot of i don't know should we save this for the pod that's that's normal oh we're rolling yeah oh okay all right oh yeah yeah my bad that's why i didn't have it on the that's why i didn't have it in my mouth because i thought we weren't filming yet um yeah dude that is style that's yeah i mean yeah it's definitely very stylish my good friend aaron he started a company called um john elliot I feel like I've heard of that yeah they have them like it now and like in Nordstrom and it's like a they have like a it over like I think it was like right after like G-Star kind of came out like G I try I got into some G-Star for oh you got some G-Star that was like as like let me see what we're doing kind of as I got I would like to have more fashion sometimes i just don't know if i can't i don't care i i you gotta look i get too overwhelmed i like knowing like there's about 17 or 18 things that i wear that'll be okay bro you gotta look you can't be saying um i need to get into fashion and you're making a deliberate choice to not have a mustache and grow a beard out. Oh, you think so? I feel like that's a look.

Maybe that.

I never thought about that.

Yeah, I guess it's like a... You got the flannel.

It's that little bit like a sock for your chin kind of, I guess.

Yeah.

That's brave, by the way.

I just got to say.

To do just this?

Yeah, I think it's brave.

But do you think that's a culture thing?

What culture is your family from?

I'm Turkish.

Okay, so in Turkey, is that a thing? do you see just this ever in turkey sometimes i mean we don't got amish people normally the only time you see the the beard and the no mustache combo is if they just go with the full one oh yeah and it's just like i don't know why they do that yeah i saw a guy with a huge beard the other night at a comedy show i think it was in ohio he had a huge beard and then a edgar that kind of mexican kind of edgar cut in the front i love that oh it was great this guy was ginger i mean probably amish or recently amish or once removed or whatever and he had had how does that work i mean you could tell somebody in his watch somebody had fucking he probably had nails in his pocket you know i'm saying he definitely somebody had somebody uh i don't know man but no you're probably the most style i'm trying to think of somebody else more stylish that's come in here oh here's some facial hair types right here this is very important bro this is like that that russian ethnicities uh photo grid you know what i'm talking about like in the ussr this is crazy this does look like yeah they're like they're showing us the different kinds of armenians it does look like 40 degrees of uber that's what it looks like yeah see look that's what i'm talking oh i thought this was one of those terror watch, no. This is like, look at all the different ethnicities in the USSR.

It's to be better at racism.

Well, that's what I – dude, racism used to be so easy in America.

Like when I was growing up, it was like easy, easy to do.

Easy to be racist.

Now, I've been to these – it's almost like you have to have a chart.

You have to have a calculator to even be racist now it feels like yeah i hate that god damn it racist means it'd be so easy yeah what happened to the good old days you could just point out the window and your stepdad just knew immediately what was going on you know yeah um i i think it's just extra difficulty now.

That's what it is. So you have to be smarter as a racist.
We're trying to make the races better. Yeah, dude, because you said there's like a barrier to entry now.
Yeah, there's a barrier to entry to doing racism. It's like it's unironically a more difficult process now.
but what I was going to say is

if you want to go back to the facial hair chart. Yeah, bring it up again, please, because I want to know what we're doing.
Or was it yours, the other one? No, no, that was just a USSR race chart. Yeah, you can also get that USSR chart as easily.
a lot of those men you'll see meeting with very young girls at Starbucks, trying to get them involved in something a lot of times it seems like. But what is this one? What do you got? You got the chinkert? No, you got the goatee.
That's what you have. Yeah, I guess I have the goatee.
It's very simple kind of. It's like I have a big nose, so I try to – you do little things to try and trick a wife or whatever.
You want to have a spouse. So I have that, and then I have a little bit more chin than my brother does.
So I have a real chin in here. Some people it's completely – it's a total mirage.
There's a guy that's in that power slap game, and they't even like he has this huge they can't identify where his chin begins yeah i love that especially when like dudes have that situation going on and then they'll just like grow out their beard and basically try to like line it up so that there's like a chin there it's like bro you are not fooling anybody and i don't even know what to do in that situation like if you got that if you got that no neck ed shit then you're kind of cooked regardless yeah but i mean good luck i don't know there is the one where it's crazy where sometimes yeah they they cut the hair exactly yeah oh that's no neck ed yeah he's doing real estate now too he was doing lemonade sale he was in like a he got caught up in big lemon or not big lemonade but like lemonade big lemonade he was so i know he's he got i think he was involved with lemonade for a bit i saw him selling uh he was involved with like a like a child like what do you mean no like he was selling he got caught up ed and pete's there it is something like that or lemonade oh he like actually had his lemonade brand yeah he was, he was selling. It was the opposite of, you know, they have a long neck bottle.
That was the whole play on it. Oh, that's weird.
I know. That's such an odd thing.
So he made a short and stubby one. Yeah.
Who wants that baby lemonade out of Ed? Oh, he definitely looks like the kind of guy that you want to fucking crack open. He looks like that fancy syrup.
You ever see the fancy bottle of syrup? It doesn't have – bring it up if you can. It's kind of light brown.
There's a brown top on it. It's maple syrup, but it's wide.
Oh, like the maple version like that? Yeah, the 365, the Whole Foods, that matte finish one. Yeah, the one that looks like a liquor bottle.
Yes. Yeah.
Yeah, it looked like an old brown jug. That one, yeah.
I always, he kind of had that. Anyway, I feel bad we're making fun of the guy now.
Yeah, he wasn't, I don't know. I remember watching 90 Day Fiance, and he didn't seem like a good dude.
Oh, really? He didn't seem, he didn't strike me as like a very nice guy, but I mean, who knows? Oh, I'll jump on a hate wagon in a heartbeat, dude. Oh, I know.
Fuck it, bro. Yeah.
No, but I saw the other day he was doing real estate, man. Hassan Piker, thanks for coming in, dude.
Yeah, hell yeah. Thanks for having me.
I know you're super busy, man. I admire, first of all, how streamers, how the effort it is.
It almost seems like it um one of those races in the olympics that it's like like an endurance game um but also just like your openness to like thinking about things you don't seem like um just like one type of person or like you could pigeon hole you um yeah i do i do a little bit of everything i mean but even just in your own beliefs like in you know and when you talk about political stuff it's like um you seem very poignant but also like aggressively open to things you know which i think um and that's a judgment and maybe i shouldn't have said something like that but um anyway i i just admire the way that you do things dude so i appreciate you coming and hanging out that's all i said thanks for thanks for having me um i i think streamers are basically like the bottom of the totem pole as far as content creators goes like it's uh definitely laborious but i wouldn't say that it's like super difficult because like overall a hollywood production if it's if that is like the highest stage of like content creation and you have you know hundreds of people working all around the world working around the clock to put like two and a half hours of content together where everyone's going to sit there and watch uh twitch streaming is like the lowest of the low yeah where it's just like a dude like me half the time you know picking at his crotch watching youtube videos picking his nose and it's you know it's you have to be on for eight hours at a time and it's like usually one person doing that and that's annoying and you got to be like constantly listening to people chirp at you um and that part sucks but overall i would say it's like the you know lowest tier of content lowest effort of content would you say that it's the purest of content though in a weird way like because it's i mean what i do is hide yeah what i do is am radio but um what i do is is basically am radio but for zoomers you know i like that's how the way i describe myself like you know like i'm sure you know rush limbaugh yeah um like that's that's the way that i describe what i do uh to older people in general where like I'm like Rush Limbaugh. Yeah.
Like that's the way that I describe what I do to older people in general where I'm like Rush Limbaugh but without the brain rot, quite literally and figuratively. I mean he did die of brain cancer.
Did he? He had addiction, I know. Yeah, he also had a hole, I think, in his brain from all the perks.
He was a perked up shouty. He was definitely, my body, my body, yeah.
I think he definitely brain from all the perks He was a perked up shouty He was definitely I think he definitely was one of the Early He was almost like a rapper in a way Like with the pills I think he had the women Bring up Rush Limbaugh's wife No I don't know I feel like those guys don't fuck I don't know why Unless they're gay The gay conservatives The ones in the closet They fuck Okay nevermind She's kind of a looker I mean she's better looking than him I mean that's not saying much That's true but still I've seen Yeah sometimes you get Yeah she a very... Who does she look like a little bit?

I've never seen his wife.

Or someone's widow Catherine.

She kind of looks like...

In that photo where they're kissing,

she kind of looks like Walter White's wife.

You know what I mean?

Oh, yeah.

From Breaking Bad?

The blonde-haired lady?

Yeah, but hotter.

And Tori Spelling a little bit, too, she looked like.

If you go back one, Tori Spelling was probably a four-year time.

But, oh, yeah, she does.

Yeah, I never looked at his wife.

Yeah, I'd never seen a picture of her before.

Yeah, I mean, it would be weird if you were just like out there Googling Rush Limbaugh's wife.

I do that all the time.

I look at all my favorite conservative commentators' wives.

You just think like, yeah, I guess what are people's – I don't know.

Yeah, I guess it's good that I'm not doing that. What's one of the toughest things do people's i don't know yeah yeah i guess it's good

that i'm not doing that what's one of the toughest things about streaming that people don't understand

though um i'll say it like this back in the day joe rogan used to always talk about how uh when

you do a three-hour podcast like there are so much that people can just like clip out of that

and then take uh out of context like rob it of its nuance and rob it of its context

and it was funny because like at the time when he was saying this like podcasting was a

I'm going to go. clip out of that and then take uh out of context like rob it of its nuance and rob it of its context and it was funny because like at the time when he was saying this like podcasting was a relatively new medium i'm talking like 2014 2015 when joe wrote when when he like first was building out the joe rogan experience right every other week seemingly the media would yell at him over some shit that he said on his podcast and he was like we're having an honest discussion it's three hours it's back and forth it's gonna happen like things are gonna get taken out of context i think for twitch streaming that's tuned up to 11 where not only am i live i'm talking about politics which are you know i mean i'm talking about some really uh crazy issues uh hot button topics and also i'm doing that with a live audience who's constantly chirping at me uh in real time trying to you know trying to constantly piss me off and then when they do successfully piss me off they'll clip that shit and post it on twitter post it on ready to be like call out post call out post this guy's bad look at what he said and um you know when you got like crazy dedicated haters too especially because you're doing politics in general you're gonna have a lot of crazy dedicated haters uh they they just do you know they just compile all of that to be like this is a bad person over and over and over again like you'll see it in the in the comment section of this video there will be a ton of people who are going to come in and be like this guy is a bad dude like he said this he said that because like the major reason obviously for that is because i'm anti-israel like i'm i'm pro-palestine i've been pro-palestine for quite a while and that really brings out the crazies does it really oh yeah oh yeah you haven't encountered this i mean you had gabor monte on yeah we had gabor monte we had a rabbi uh we had basem yusef and we definitely tried to like learn some about it i think in the end for me it just became like my feelings just tell me that it's just messed up what's happened to those people.
It's like and that a lot of it was covered up by the media or they didn't want you to share certain information or you weren't allowed to. No, for sure.
I mean, that's how it's always been, though. It's not just for Israel.
It's just in general, like when it comes to American foreign policy, the the American media is fairly one note. Our politicians are one note on it, too.
They're bipartisan on that. Right.
So when you say that, do you mean that they're all in on the same – it's all kind of the same ruse, do you mean? Yeah, yeah. They all agree.
It's always uniparty when it comes to American foreign policy, when it comes to giving money to Israel, when it comes to a lot of that stuff like going to war with with iraq right you got the media also presenting that lie that they have you know chemical weapons their weapons of mass destruction and uncritically reporting on that to justify going to war with iraq going and invading a foreign nation that we had no business invading right so that is that happens all the time do you think that that's starting to get upset even by like podcasting streaming um do you think that that apple cart starting to change it feels like oh for sure i think that uh just because people have a voice yeah the independent media sphere definitely is like dominating partially because of that reason. Sometimes for bad reasons, people have lost confidence in media when they just don't like what they're reporting, even if they're reporting the truth.
And then there are plenty of major reasons like Jeffrey Epstein's death. Like you go to any outlet, most of them are going to rule it a suicide.
No critical reporting on it whatsoever, just unconditionally saying like, no, no, no, it was definitely a suicide. Like the average American doesn't feel that way.
And also there's very valid reasons as to why they don't feel that way. Israel is another great example of this where like it was like 80% of Americans wanted a ceasefire.
and yet if you look at all the way from CNN to Fox News,

every single outlet was just like no no no you don't understand israel has to kill these children like please no you don't understand like can you imagine uh you got imagine a role reversal in that situation where like you got you got uh osama Laden's best lads on CNN immediately after 9-11 being like, listen, like we we had to blow up the Twin Towers. Like you don't the World Trade Center.
It was it was right there. It was asking for it.
One of them was a little askew. Yeah.
Yeah. We had to fix it.
Yeah. Well, yeah, it's crazy.
There's that famous video they got shared a few years ago like during covid when it was like every channel was reporting the same exact it was just the same script it was almost just sinclair broadcasting yeah so that's actually that's ironically a lot of right-wingers spread that one is that true or not no it is but that but that's right wing that's sinclair broadcasting it's like a a right wing media company that basically bought out all the remaining local news broadcasters. Wow.
So it's like an umbrella. Right wing media is all over the place, actually.
And a lot of people don't realize it. Whenever Fox News talks about mainstream media lies, I'm like, bro, you are the most popular news network in the country.
What do you mean mainstream media? Like you're dominating everybody else. So you're saying that a lot of times mainstream media is also right-wing media.
Yeah, right-wing media is so dominant. And in the independent side, right-wing media is dominant as hell too.
But like on the mainstream side, right-wing media is incredibly dominant. They dominate the local news with Sinclair Broadcasting and also all the way up to Fox News, which is the most famous, which is the most like successful network news broadcaster in the country.
Is Fox News the most watched news network? By widest margins. Really? Yeah, it's not even close.
CNN and MSNBC, Trump always talks how cnn and mbc are uh you know in the pooper their ratings are awful these guys love presenting themselves as vulnerable victims and i and i really always get annoyed by that like they say that about they used to always say that about like facebook too they're like oh they're banning stuff and i'm sure they banned like vaccine denial or whatever right uh because facebook wanted to be woke and liberal uh until mark zuckerberg got hit with the dominican ray but uh so then when people say mainstream media then i guess what it then what did it because it always felt to me like um yeah that every outlet was just always super liberal that's what it felt like they are no no for. Like a lot of like the New York Times, you got CNN, ABC, CBS, like NBC.
These outlets are liberal. Now, obviously, I'm a little bit of a radical, I guess.
So I'm definitely not fond of the Democratic Party either, even though my criticisms of the Democrats are because of their closeness to the Republicans in general. But yeah, they are, I would say that they're definitely liberal, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're like on the side of the people or anything like that, or on even the progressive side of many of these issues.
And that's why I said there's this uniparty attitude, like liberals and Republicans, they basically come together and agree when it comes to giving more money to israel yeah not not the voters i'm talking like institutions i'm talking politicians yeah well that's yeah that seems to be i think it feels so far away from being represented like the the people feel so far away from being represented and i feel like that seems like it's gotten further and further in my lifetime. I can't tell if it's just because I'm getting older.
And so you hear about more stuff like that or if it's actually true. But I think people just feel like, you know, like, why are we having to audit our own government? You know, whether or not the means that they're going about it are good or not.
But it's like it's like the the fact that people are cheering to have our own government audited the fact that it's like yeah that 80 of the people would would say they don't support um what's happened in gaza but yet we would still send money to israel like i think trump has done that trump the other day trump was like yo we gotta we can't give any more money to Ukraine. Right? You're done.

He's like, Zell Disney, you're out.

And then he turns around and he's like, also, we're sending

$3 billion of weapons and bulldozers

to Israel pronto. Did they really?

Yeah. Bring that up.

$3.4 billion, I believe, on the same

day. Yep, Rubio

bypasses Congress

to send Israel $4 billion

in arms. They were like, oh, we have to expeditiously send this out to israel arms for what what do you mean to to continue killing palestinians is there anybody left there yeah there's still uh there's still a million plus palestinians in the gaza strip um they're basically just like living in the rubble trying to rebuild i mean these are some of the most resilient people on the planet like they just they've been through hell a million times over you know you still see a lot of great like there was a beautiful video i'm not sure if it was ai or not of them trying to celebrate ramadan the other night in the long table yeah yeah i think that was real though i don't think that was ai because i saw people take uh i saw people taking photos of that yeah i mean also the other side of this is like the gosley strip is is like overwhelmingly children like we're talking I know like the average age is 14 people are on like 50 plus percent are are minors well that's I think that's before October 7th but like a year ago people would be afraid to have I think this commerce to to people be afraid oh for sure including us like I year ago, people would be afraid to have, I think, this converse to...
People would be afraid. Oh, for sure.
Including us. I'd be afraid that...
I mean, look, I've been actively and openly pro-Palestinian emancipation for the past decade, and I've seen a major attitude shift. You're like Turkish McLemore, dude.
Wait, what do you mean? When I was in third grade, I thought I was gay did he do that that's what his song oh well you got to be pretty oh you have to have an open attitude even think that way in third grade um but no he's just been he's been on a on a bashfully afraid to share about palestine you know yeah no he's he's had his heart changed i think his heart's in the right place like i think he's he's uh doing great he was from the beginning about i mean he was early on it yeah yeah not like 10 he hasn't been but since it became like a hot more of a hot button issue in the past three or four years for sure yeah i mean look i'll never i'll never discard allies i'm you know that's an amazing thing to to look at the situation with clarity with moral clarity and just be like, I didn't know enough about this, and now I've recognized the cruelty of what we are doing. Because that's the other thing, like America, whether we agree to it or not, or whether we recognize it or not, is like participating in this in a pretty meaningful way.
They're offering political cover at the UN. You got the basically war crime cops out there at the ICC and ICJ, the International Court of Justice, which prosecutes state on state prosecutions.
You have the International Criminal Court, which is a court that prosecutes war criminals, right? And both of them have issued for Netanyahu to be arrested, right? So South Africa has a case against israel for genocide that's ongoing

and at the icj and at the icc the uh the international criminal court has a prosecutor

that has issued arrest warrants for benjamin and yahoo and yoav galant uh for for the crime of of

you know doing a genocide for uh being war criminals uh intentional starvation of a

civilian captive civilian population it's a pretty obvious war crime so well i just think it's

Thank you. genocide for being war criminals, intentional starvation of a civilian, captive civilian population.
It's a pretty obvious war crime.

So.

Well, I just think it's,

honestly, bro,

some of it I think is kind of pussy,

like,

and I hate to say that

because some people don't have pussies

or don't believe in them or whatever,

but it's like,

I think if you're all,

if your military is so great,

send in snipers and get the bad guys.

That's how I feel.

Do some covert op shit, but just to be like. Their military though that's the problem they just have like they just have overwhelming firepower and air superiority that's it but and but but that's the part to me it's like send in some you know if those are the bad guys send in and get the like do some it just felt like this uh i don't know it just started to feel gross and then the great thing was it feels like you couldn't hide it from a nation you could not hide from the world that what they were doing was wrong but going back to what you're saying how much are we complicit in so many of these i mean types of things that happen in different countries and do we need to be be? No, I think we are complicit.
I mean, that's how I feel about it, at least. But that's why I actively urge people to protest and do everything in their power to try to put an end to this, because I think we have a lot of power in this in this regard in the United States of America.
I don't think that America is like a true democracy by any means, and this kind of stuff basically puts that on display for everyone to recognize. Or, you know, whenever people go, hey, can we get health care? And the government's like, fuck you.
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I wouldn't say it's like complicity in terms of like your hands are bloody individually but um the least you can do is not actively champion america doing this stuff and uh and and also go out and protest like and try to try to give a voice to voiceless people that are just being massacred for no reason yeah um why is there such a strong bond between between America and Israel? I've heard Candace Owen was saying that she thought it was blackmail. But why do you think there's really such a strong bond? Candace Owen's got a lot of thoughts on that stuff.
I think there's like two different camps here. You've got people who critically analyze the relationship with Israel.
And then you got people who are like, it's the Jews.

You know, I am in the critically analyzing the situation camp rather than just being like, oh, it's Jews because they got mind control powers or whatever the fuck people say. It's because it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a resource rich region.
And it has its own espionage facilities. and that is the reason like we, we basically carried over from the British this, this settler colony in the region that we can just kind of use or have a collaborative relationship with.
And it's incredibly valuable for us. So valuable that like, I mean, Israel's blown up USS Liberty, like a, like a like an american navy ship yeah and and basically it was in the 50s i think yeah in that process like it was an incredibly valuable cold war ally because we were terrified of israel going and like collaborating with the ussr you got pan uh arabic nationalism happening all around the region all these countries that are developing developing nation states are doing so on the boundaries of, you know, defeating their colonial occupiers, whether it be French colonialism or British colonialism.
And simultaneously, they're looking to the USSR, right? And they're like, you know, maybe you guys will help us out. This seems like a cool thing that you guys got going on over there the socialism stuff ain't too bad america goes fuck that and they basically hit the israel button as hard as they could where they were just like you guys are going to be our you guys are going to be our our extension right it's like um some of my friends say uh there are favorite client states and then there are client states that america just discards ukraine is obviously a non-favored client state and that's what happens when you're done with ukraine where you're like i'm done with this you know pack it up uh give me all your minerals even if you have any who knows i don't care you know know your place america does this to the kurds all the time as well where they'll just like arm them and be like yeah you guys need to get you guys need to develop a nation state it'd be nice kurds are ethnic minority in the region okay um 35 million people in what in the in the middle east uh 35 million people uh don't have a nation state uh a lot of them live in turkey so kind of homeless iraq well yeah yes and no and and there's like varying degrees of cruelty that they're subjected to in these countries as like ethnic minority my country included in turkey wow and um they want to they want to build a nation state they got an autonomous region in iraq now uh they're in syria as well uh they're in iran as well and then they're trying to figure it out.
Yeah, so America will go up to them and be like,

we're going to arm you guys.

We're going to train you guys.

Go fuck shit up.

And then as soon as they're done, they just discard them.

And they're like, okay, go.

They'll tell Turkey you can go and bomb these villages that they're in.

Who cares?

It doesn't matter anymore.

So what you're saying, I think it's like,

that's one of the things that makes it tougher.

The more information you learn, I think, in the world, it's like that that's one of the things that makes it tougher the more information you learn i think in the world it's like the shittier things seem yeah in some ways but the reality of things you just see the reality it's like yeah you need and if you were playing a game of risk and you were these dictate you were these powerful people how would you operate and yeah it just gets to it be tough to find out, okay, well then what is being an American still mean to me? And then also that things are so conflicting and dangerous out there amongst these like leaders and powers that you have to, you have to like kind of put a flag in something for yourself, you know, to kind of get to because otherwise you'll just be sort of aimless it feels like um well i mean i think i i don't know if i'm even explaining that fully right but you got to stand for something is that what you're saying if you don't stand for something you fall for everything yeah so here's what i think it's like the more we learn about history, the more we learn about just like the the like, well, America did these things and some of it. 9-11 could have been the result of some of that.
Just as more as you start to learn that America hasn't always been this perfect partner in this, that it just starts to test like, OK, well, what does it mean to be an American to me? But then at the same time, you need to be an American because you live in a country that's safe and you're able to operate here within the country. So it's, I don't know, it just makes it kind of interesting.
Does that make sense? No, I get it. What you're exhibiting is a very normal contradiction that a lot of Americans, when faced with the reality of american foreign policy they they come to terms with this like they try to they try to resolve this contradiction where on the one hand you're saying well i'm an american i like the security blanket that i exist under right but also simultaneously simultaneously you're like but damn we're doing a lot of fucked up shit around the world um i mean look i'm a i'm a people always yell at me and say oh hassan you only say america bad uh but i don't just stop at that like i i want america to be good i think america has an incredible potential it's the wealthiest nation on the planet it should be doing so much more uh to to help its own citizens and so much more to lead the way pave the way for a new evolution of the way that we look at international relations than the way that we engage with conflict.
But the reason why America is the way it is is because I see it as basically, you know, 50 corporations in a trench suit. Like it's just it's a holdover to extract tax revenue from everyday Americans and then give it directly back to corporations in the form of subsidies without ever regulating them and, you know, demanding anything in return.
I think one of the best examples of this was when, you know, Russia invaded Ukraine. And then Russia is also part of OPEC plus.
So they went back to Saudi Arabia.

Okay, so take us back.

Our listeners, if we get too much information,

a lot of them don't.

They're going to tune it out.

Well, I think if it's new information for me,

I shouldn't say them.

If it's new information for me,

it's hard for me to go along.

So OPEC.

Why are you throwing them under the bus?

I know, I am.

My bad guys.

I am the problem.

So, but OPEC is the oil. Yeah yeah so opec is like an oil nato yeah yeah basically exactly it's a cartel okay that's what it is it's a it's a it's a group of of uh countries that have oil reserves that basically set the the price of oil barrels okay and saudi arabia is pretty dominant because, like, they have, you know, I mean, they are the oil gods, basically.
They're the big gold. Yeah.
And, yeah, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. And Russia basically went back to OPEC and was like— Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, yeah.
Okay. Yeah.
At the time, Russia had a lot to, you know, a lot lot to gain from and all these other countries had a lot to also gain from basically limiting the price of or limiting the supply of oil um you know we're in the post-covid era too and then like they're also um they were also making a lot of money in or they had lost a lot of revenue so they wanted to recoup because nobody was like flying around or using oil because everyone was like starting home so they um they were recouping on those losses by just basically saying demand is on an all-time high we're not going to produce uh you know we're not going to keep up with that demand to make sure that we stabilize the prices right so they're saying oh there's only so much oil even though there's as much as they're want they they kind of oh yeah they could have produced way more right so the point i was gonna make is uh brandon went back to saudi arabia you know he shook hands with mbs and was like brandon brandon joe brandon joe biden oh joe biden yeah he went to he went to saudi arabia he's like come on jack you know produce more oil come on don't do it and and uh they were like nope um the reason why I'm telling this convoluted story is because then we have American oil and gas industry providers right like we have our own oil everybody always talks about how we we have independence like energy independence in America so he went back to the American oil and gas industry and was like, all right, you guys have to produce more oil because you have to offset what OPEC is doing. And you know what they said? Fuck you.
That's what they said. They rely, the oil and gas producers in this country, the fossil fuel industry gets 80% of our energy subsidies.
It's like billions of dollars that they get. Subsidies means they get kickbacks from the government.
Not even a kickback. Government collects taxes and then government gives these companies, whether they're in agriculture or whether they're in the oil and gas industry, they give money to these companies to keep prices relatively low, to keep up with the cost of the production.
They're like hey we're going to give you this money so you keep prices low but in a time oh because the gut because that company owns so much of the actual market of whatever that product is that if they wanted to adjust it they could do it yeah exactly i didn't even know they didn't they didn't provide they just didn't supply uh the federal government with more. Like they just did not, they did not produce more in the time to stabilize prices.
And you got like the oil lobby guys going on CNBC and actively being like, we have a fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders to maximize profit. We don't care if the, you know, we don't care if the prices are high, you know, sucks to suck because our profits are great.
And the reason why I explained all this is because I think that's a perfect demonstration of how America operates, like the American government operates rather, where it serves corporations, not the people. And then you got China on the other hand, where like it's, they got billionaires too they got massive corporations too but those corporations serve the government now that can be bad but uh if the government is is uh you know interested in in uplifting the great the public good and and doing like even development or whatever then ultimately they just can force corporations hands to do whatever they want.
Yeah. I mean,

I mean, public good and and doing like even development or whatever then ultimately they just can force corporations hands to do whatever they want yeah i mean like like you're saying it's like yeah the more you learn it's um you have to then decide okay you almost have to differentiate well what does it mean to be an american to me you know because if i stay here and i sleep under this banner of America where I can make money and I can have, and there's a welfare system and I'll be at there. You know, people have ideas of whether they're good or bad and those, but that I stay here, I continue to stay here.
I keep myself here. This is where I choose to be, you know, in the safety of this place.
You know, it's like, well, how complicit am i or am i just an american and this is this is the i got blessed into this place and this is where i am and if somebody else weren't born into this place and they were in a place that were you know more hostile and scary to live in and sleep in and try to survive in wouldn't they be praying that they would be here that they would have some of the same things yeah everyone everyone make any sense no it does yeah no what you're describing like i said is is uh what left is what left is called like living in the imperial core because if you're in the if you're in the heart of empire you at the very least don't suffer the repercussions of being the victims right right like you're not you're not in guatemala So you're not getting destabilized by the American government in many instances, like, or at least throughout your history. So you haven't been kept down.
Uh, and, and therefore your situation in comparison to them is, is going to be a lot better. And then what do I want my life to be like day to day? Do I want it to be this constant net? Like, or do I want to not think about those things and think that those are the government's you know some of that's the government's responsibility I do my best to elect and vote in a way that I think is meaningful and vote for the best person and then I try to enjoy my life and take care of my family and my neighbor you know I think it's like I don't know that's kind of how I think maybe I start to break it down in my head you know know? Yeah.
So, um, that bait, that, that, what you were describing right there is, is, uh, basically the heart of, I wouldn't say the problem necessarily, but that, that is why a lot of people just like tune out because they feel just powerless at the end of the day. You know, you got your protests, you vote, and then these guys do whatever the fuck they want to do.
What am I supposed to do like the the attitude that the average citizen has in this country and you know that's why things slowly but surely seemingly get worse year over year maybe not for you and i because like i mean we're relatively successful but for like average people for everyday people shit is fucked up and they recognize it but they don't know who is responsible for it and they become so malleable and so open uh to to responding to anybody that will look at uh anybody that will recognize their frustration and say it's actually because of this and that and i think trump tapped into that so perfectly and that's why he won that's why he defeated the so handily. Because he was like, yes, you're angry.
I'm angry too. Why are you angry? Because woke libtards.
Because DEI. Because trans people.
Because undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants aren't your fucking landlord.
They're not the one who's raising the price of rent. They don't own the mega corporations.
They're not sitting at the board of BlackRock. You know what I mean? It's not a Guatemalan migrant that's sitting at the board of BlackRock purchasing all the fucking houses.
Or they're not the real estate developers that refuse to add to the much needed supply of housing. Yeah, and instead put a fucking rag and bone in every town, dude.
I fucking and well it's just like dude don't tear down cool areas and just put up a rag and bone dude it's not fucking cool but no i man it's interesting i never really heard it put like that like and then of course the other things you say these other things to people that doesn't feel you gotta point you have to approach people with something they can point a finger at and it's whatever they're pointing that is close enough where they feel like it can be reached yeah like those are things that it's like um but also those are things like you you you label like and trump talked about him last night on some of the congressional address i think it was the party address last address last night. Yeah, he did like a fake State of the Union.
It was a joint congressional address. Joint congressional address.
Yeah. Because he talked about some of those things like DEI.
Yeah, bro, they cut DEI. Now planes are fucking falling out of the sky, man.
We need to bring Pete Buttigieg back as the transportation secretary. He needs to fix the problem.
Was he a dog in there? No. We need black no we need black pilots dude first of all black people can jump better so how are you not gonna have a fucking black dude in a plane bro i don't know i don't know about the jumping i don't know i don't know how to factor into the to the to the pilot program but still dude you if i see if i saw michael jordan in the cockpit that bitch we're gonna stay up that's how i'm oh 100 like that's where i feel now i now now i i think on you know now we if i get on a plane and i see a white man that dude better be in a polyamorous relationship okay i need that dude sucking dick okay i need i need something i need if he's straight and he's a he's a straight white male that plane is falling dude that's what's going on trump came in he killed dei every day there's another fucking plane crash but is it white dudes doing it here's the thing i'm fucking around it's not i'm not being serious even though even though republicans do think that that is real where they're like oh if there's a black woman pilot, that's why planes are falling.
It's like, no, dumbass, it's because of fucking capitalism. Like they've literally undercut every aspect of production to make more money.
They constantly outsource. They constantly send certain aspects of manufacturing to other countries where there's like less regulation and less restrictions.
That makes them more money. And that's why fucking you know the doors are exploding and shit while they're flying and then is that one of the is that one of the real reasons you think it's going on that's 100 the reason why it's going on bring it up see if we can that's a good question why are what because it there seems to be these little times in history where it's like okay for this year it's almost like they press a plane trouble button and it it's like, oh, now there's plane trouble.
Well, that's also because, you know, minor incidents happen all the time. But the media hyper focuses on them when it becomes like a hot button topic.
That's what it is. And there are obviously freak accidents as well.
Like they all freak accidents happen. but i think um there's never really like a like a perfect example like a perfect demonstration of

why these things are happening more frequently yeah let me see what this even says no there were actually more plane crashes between january 1st 2024 and february 1st 2024 when you compare the same time period this year to last year um so there were more crashes yeah but the difference is the the um the the severity of like one big crash and then people hyper focus on it this happened with uh palestine ohio uh remember when the train derailment happened and everybody's like why aren't they covering this well you know i'm i'm a little bit of a foamer. I love trains.

Maybe it's because of the autism, but like, you know how many train derailments happening every year?

Every single year, a thousand.

Some of them are minor.

Some of them are major, right?

So every single person hyper-focused on this, understandably, because like they try to do a shitty ass cover up for it and be like, oh, no, everything is fine.

And there was gas leaking. Yeah, there was death death yeah oh you just feel itchy it's normal yeah just keep drinking the water it's fine that it's green you know shut up but uh because of that then everybody started focusing on all these derailments and they were like what the hell is going on and it's like there's a lot of that that happens all the time it's just the media doesn't pay attention to it because if you paid attention to it all the time you go crazy it's like crime crime in big cities it's a lot of that that happens all the time.
It's just the media doesn't pay attention to it because if you paid attention to it all the time, you go crazy. It's like crime.
Right. Crime in big cities.
It's a constant. Oh, yeah.
You know, that is a buddy of mine was staying with me and he's from like the suburbs of Portland. Right.
Just like a very white neighborhood. And I'm living.
I live in the middle of West Hollywood. And, you know, L.A.
is not like new york or whatever but it's still a city right every time he heard firecrackers or whatever like fireworks or whatever he would freak out he's like is that gunshots i'm like no man that's just fireworks like what are you talking about uh and then he would hear like you know ambulances or police sirens he'd freak out because like if you live in a suburb and you hear police sirens yeah some some crazy happen right but if you live in a city you hear it all the time as background noise because you know there's always shit happening there's you know tens of millions of people around um so how are you saying that relates to this um the what what i mean by that is if you pay attention to it with apps like you know next door and citizen and ring and all this stuff you start realizing that like it's happening all the time and it makes you go crazy uh same with train derailments same with plane uh you know plane crashes and whatnot they're a they're a normal part of this process and you gotta look at the data and and try to figure out if this is truly unique or not. And in terms of the plane crashes, the deadly nature of some of them is unique.
There have been some big ones, right, like with the Ronald Reagan Airport one. But outside of that, like minor bumps at the Seattle airport or whatever, like that's normal.
Yeah, and a couple of them were just like these planes almost hit each other other. They would show you a video, and I watched one of them two times.
I'm like, that shit didn't even look close to me. But they just label it that way.
It's definitely kind of fascinating. Then once something happens, you start to hyper-focus on it more.
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Would you consider yourself a Democrat? What do you consider yourself? No, I'm a leftist. That's what I say, where I'm very critical of both parties in general.
I don't think that either party really represents my interests. Like the Democrats sometimes will point to things that I care about and they are, I guess, a little bit closer to the way I see the world than the Republicans are.
But, you know, I'm actively critical of both parties. Yeah.
Because I don't care. I don't care about party affiliation.
I care about like doing right by people. I care about, you know, helping putting the interests of people over the interests of profits for corporations.
Yeah. You know, I don't, I hate it when somebody tries to leave like, Oh, you're mag or you're this type of thing.
It's like that. I've never wanted to be put in a box my whole life.
I don't feel like there's enough parties really to represent the people. Um, and I think the more information you get and learn, I think a lot of people start to feel that way.
Like, I don't know if this party really represents me, you know. But then there's such conglomerates of so many different little pieces that they almost feel like, well, I like this person in this one.
I like this person on the chess team or this rook. So I'm going to – they will get my vote because they have that player, right? Yeah.
But, yeah, I think that that's – I think as more people get more information and able to look into things more that that that kind of evolves. I think that there's one thing that transcends party boundaries, and I feel like you exhibit that tendency as well.

And that is dissatisfaction with the government and the two-party system anyway.

And I think Trump also captured the attention of a lot of people by making it seem like he was totally outside of this dynamic where he was like, I'm an independent. I'm a billion.
I'm rich. I don't give a fuck about either of these parties, you know, vote for me.
And that's why you have a lot of people who love Bernie Sanders, because he's he's earnest. He's honest.
And it's obvious that he's not like, you you know a democratic party dick rider um and he has a long track record of like constantly doing right by others constantly advocating for things that like you know help people even if he doesn't have much success uh that earnesty has i think created this this unique phenomena people that like bernie and also trump people like yourself

uh who who think well these guys are anti-establishment yeah i think well i think one thing about trump was like and i i was like fuck it made you believe because people most people knew him like from rap songs probably from being like a rich white guy having rich guy hair and then from being on The Apprentice, right?

Yeah.

Which was a very you want to know something monumental how that all shaped out you want to know something crazy about the apprentice it was one of the most diverse shows on network television at the time it literally was one of the first shows that like prominently featured a bunch of black and brown people yeah it. A bunch of gay people in it too.
He was woke as hell. That motherfucker was doing DEI before anybody else.
Now he switched up. You see this? He switched up.
Yeah, I remember he gave Flavor Flavor a job working at an ice cream shop or something one day. I remember seeing that episode.
So yeah, I mean, he was like, I just thought there was a moment where it's like oh anybody because you're right he didn't seem like a political insider he seemed like you know i think he's always been this or notoriously has it seemed like he's just been this um kind of like real estate shady real estate executive guy which i think at a certain point some people oh, I'll take that. I'll take a ruthless business guy as our president because politics has become a ruthless business.
But I think, yeah, I think there was a thing like, oh, anybody could be president, right? So that in a way felt a little bit like the American dream or at least a little piece of like anybody. There was a feeling like, oh, he got it.
thought he would win yeah that's true so i think there was that comeback piece to him right yeah um but then he was president for four years and people like oh okay maybe this wasn't so good and then what did the democrats do in who did the democrats put forth they put forth a cadaver who was like, no, we're going back to business as usual, baby. And Americans were so fatigued by Donald Trump, but they were just like, I don't want to pay attention to television anymore.
Like, sure, I'll vote for this guy instead. And then Brandon wins.
And then everyone's like, oh my God, things are awful. Wars all over the place.
Biden, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, Biden.
I just keep saying Brandon. I'm sorry.
No worries. I'm so used to calling him Brandon.
Well, people say let's go Brandon as like a Trump thing. Yeah, yeah.
But then I just don't want people to get confused. Yeah, my bad.
So Biden comes in and, you know, wars everywhere, cost of living crisis. Like a lot of the resentment and anger that people felt in 2016 towards hillary clinton because their situation wasn't so great that caused them to vote for donald trump never it was left unexamined like it was never recognized it was never fixed right so when all the stuff piles on people are resentful again and lo and behold they want to put that mallet they want to bring the mallet back in to just like hammer the federal government because there's like we fucking hate this we hate the the way things are going so we'll give this guy a shot again um and that's how you arrive at trump too and now he is doing the mallet he's he's ripping over the administrative state he's doing mass layoffs of the federal regulatory agencies.
And it's crazy to me that people don't understand that these are the same problems that have persisted that he's basically worsening by also removing tens of thousands of people that work for the federal government with decent paying jobs. I'm a big advocate for more government employees.
I think we should have millions more, not less. Give everybody a fucking job.
Oh, well, I think that we should have, I think women should get paid so that they can be at home with their children and that that way, or a man, if one of them wants to work. Yeah, yeah.
And then the other one can be at home to be a parent you know i wish that that was something that we did with our money um they would never do that though that's the problem they hate there was a case for it at one point yeah i know but i'm saying like republicans especially democrats won't do either because like both parties kind of like the austerity stuff like they what does austerity meanity mean? Austerity is belt tightening, like fiscal belt tightening as in, you know, uh, lowering expenditures and, and cutting social safety nets basically. Well, I think people are getting to their wits and where it's like, nobody believes that either one of these parties is doing anything.
Right. I think you've had the same problems.
You've had the same things happen time over time. And maybe some of it at a certain point you realize,'s just the cost of business it's just like it's just become so bloated it's become more about them like you're saying more about corporations and less about everyday people yeah and that's just what it is yeah it's never been about people in my opinion it's like uh new deal with a lot of like socialist communist pressure at the time uh fdr's New Deal.
Yeah, FDR's New Deal. What was it? Bring it up.
FDR's New Deal definitely brought forth a lot of prosperity to America, got us out of the muck of the Great Depression. The New Deal was a series of domestic programs.
Sorry to interrupt you. I just want to...
It was a series of domestic programs, public works projects, and financial reforms and regulations enacted by President FDR in the U.S. between 1933 and 1938 in the 1900s with the aim of addressing the Great Depression, which began in 1929.
Wow, dude. So he had to be right on the back of the Great Depression.
Yeah. Because people always, they always, like, they'll quote him all the time, you know? Yeah.
He did a lot. Look, he dealt with the pressing bank crisis through the emergency banking act, 1933 banking act, federal emergency relief administration.
Uh, we set up a social security. I mean, there's so much, there's so much that they did in that era.
Cause like Americans were, were, I mean, they, they were experiencing tremendous, tremendous hardship. So you're saying a lot of this felt like it was done for the people? Yeah, it was done for the people because it was a necessary, it was basically necessary for them to do this at the time because of all of the deregulation in the banking side with oil barons and all these like robber barons basically like picking apart uh and and dominating uh everyday american existence and and the economic collapse that came with that and then someone had to come in and fix the shit and i think donald trump is is basically not doing the fdr thing but the reverse he's fucking it up and taking it back to like a pre-new deal era where and giving it more towards corporations you think oh 100 i mean he 100%.
I mean, he got Elon Musk right there. He's the richest guy on the planet.
He's just putting his dick through his weird, ugly, egg-shaped penis through every single regulatory agency. Have people seen his penis? I haven't seen that.
I don't know. I don't see that kind of stuff.
Yeah, they were saying he's got a weird dick. Really? I believe it.
First of all, yeah. Dude, if I'm Elon Musk, I'm definitely getting a crazy dick.

I'm getting a fucking designer dick.

I'm getting a two-seater.

I'll get a damn three-seater cop.

Yeah, they're saying.

I'll put suicide doors on my dick if I'm Elon Musk.

But here's what I would say is to kind of the thing about Elon is like,

or just to discuss it really.

I think people are like, we don't give a fuck who's auditing this thing and finally there's like oh this is the person to audit this is the person that's gonna audit this is somebody we can blame if something fucks up this is somebody that at least they're saying that they're gonna audit the government like why why do we even have to audit our own government but we we have see that's the problem we already have an auditing agency so these guys unironically created an additional agency which is redundant to eliminate redundancy and that's interesting the the unfortunate side of this is that um they don't know what the fuck they're doing so they go in and they just like pull data and they basically make these public declarations about you know a billion dollars is going to this or that oh yeah like they they straight up lied they were like oh yeah we already cut like 200 billion dollars of funds and then like the new york times and all these other like actual investigative reporters went in looked at the data and they were like dude that lot. Like, there's one instance where they claimed that they cut $8 billion, and they actually cut $8 million.
Like, how do you carry over so many goddamn zeros? They're just like, ah, fuck it, who cares? No one will fact check it. No one will look it up.
Well, the crazy thing is, though, now you have whoever our original auditing system was, and then you have this this second and now we have this second auditing system but dude it goes to like it's so like i'll have a um i'll have a financial like an investment banker right but i there's times and i probably should what i want to hire somebody to audit my financial advisor because I'm like, is this guy stealing money from me?

Because you hear so many stories of people getting stolen from just like entertainment, different industries, whatever.

But it starts to be like, I don't even know who to trust anymore.

And I think that's where most people feel like it is. It's like, I don't know if most people necessarily feel like that Elon or Doge is the best, but it's like now it feels like, okay, well, there's a government system that's supposed to be doing this.

And then there's a privatized system that's supposed to be doing this. Now, who's the crook? Who knows? But then I think people look to Elon and they say, well, at least he came when he bought Twitter, which was a brave thing to do.

It felt like it opened up more opportunity for free speech,

like things you couldn't share on there six years ago,

you could share on there now.

Bro, I think it sucks now.

I used to love Twitter.

Oh, Twitter's gotten bad.

It's scary.

It was already kind of lame because when it was owned by liberals,

it also wasn't the most fun platform, I will say.

But at least there was like some semblance of regulation where it didn't feel like, you know, it didn't feel like the madhouse that it is now where I mean, I know that it's like my algorithm as well.

I'm sure because I'm in politics.

So I see a lot of political shit. But, bro, there's like, I mean, here, I saw this this morning.
There's a guy who straight up said, Adam Schiff raped a minor at Chateau Marmont. And it has 70,000 likes.
And I'm like, what the fuck? It's like a QAnon thing. I know, I saw that.
There's so many. No, it's not even this.
There was a dude who like. No, this is, that's not even Adam.
That is, that's fucking. If you look at, no, no, that's Anthony Bourdain.
They're saying Anthony Bourdain saw him rape the minor. And that's why they actually killed Anthony Bourdain.
That's their, QAnon loves talking about how Anthony Bourdain saw like Hillary Clinton chop babies up or whatever. And he was right about to come out against them.
But if you look up Truanon, Truanon actually, no, no, Truanon on Twitter. What is Truanon? Is it a cool source? Truanon is my friend's podcast.
It's the number one anti-pedophilia podcast out there. No way.
And then keep scrolling. They posted it.
Oh, here it is. Here it is.
Awakened Outlaw.

That's the one.

The witnesses anonymously.

One of the most persistent QAnon beliefs is the huge number of people think that, you know,

some of us remember when you raped a dead child.

76,000 likes.

Damn.

Bro, that's crazy.

Like, I fucking hate Adam Schiff.

Right?

Okay?

Yeah, Trump's funniest thing is when he calls him Adam shit okay i hate him he's my he's my fucking congressperson he sucks all right massive pro israel guy that's an insane thing you you are a fucking schizo like what the fuck but that's the crazy thing now people will just you see things and then you start to believe it oh dude i realized twitter starts like it'll start to rot my mind i'll start to get and then it feeds you something it's like that's a scary and that's another scary thing just about social media it's about where we're at things just feel so you don't know what to you'll open it up you'll close it now you're furious all you were doing was looking for something your phone yeah you're bored for 10 seconds you opened it up now you got two links to some shit now you're furious now you close it now you're back in the grocery store where you were doing was looking for something in your phone. You're bored for 10 seconds.
You opened it up. Now you got two links to some shit.
Now you're furious. Now you close it.
Now you're back in the grocery store where you were a minute ago. You're on the fucking food aisle, but now you are.
You're angry. You're apeshit insane that a kid, a deceased kid somewhere, hypothetically got molested by a.
By a sitting American congressperson. Yeah.
Yeah. And then it's like you want to buy a pussy fart coin or whatever and you're like and then you don't even know what to do retardio yes it's like oh retardio is going to the moon and you have all these fucking clan members or whatever trying to sell like just it just it's gotten it's crazy but that's what i mean like they it was like it was different crazy but it was it was definitely not whatever the fuck this is and there's so much bottom of the barrel shit too because of the monetization stuff like people one of my favorite funniest things that i experience all the time on twitter is like you got like you know genoa radio or like saving the white race or we got to save the west accounts right like they have all these fucking accounts every single motherfucker on those accounts is from india every single motherfucker that does that we must preserve the white race every single one of them is is operating those accounts out of india because why i wonder what do you mean because you make like 10 15 $15 that goes a long way in India as opposed to,

as opposed to like a,

like a real racist in America.

I had another level.

Yeah.

They're using all of those accounts.

Like there's all of those big prominent,

like,

you know,

uh,

white culture.

Oh yeah.

Honky shit.

Honkies do it better or whatever.

Well,

I don't know about the honkies one,

but cause honky seems like,

uh,

you know,

I don't think a dude in India knows what a honky is but but i'm talking like the the um the culture critique uh save the white race accounts and all those like defend europa accounts like every single one of them is like it's like a malaysian dude you know what i mean and he's just like yeah i'm gonna make 50 this month that's a big you know that's good white race yeah yeah in there yeah and and you know they post like the the shittiest fucking videos as well it's unbelievable it's so much porn too it's too much porn it's too much porn because i'll be strong i'll be trying to take care of myself doing decently i'll just see something an edge of a tit or something flies by it's just and then it just is like you get you can just get stuck pretty easy easy jerking off or whatever. And then I get sad and then I get ashamed of myself and then I just, and then I don't even sleep in my bed on those, like dude, on nights like that, I will sleep on the couch.
It's almost like, I don't even, it's like, damn. I know.
It's like I'm a, it's like I'm divorced in my own fucking, and I just live alone. It's like, bro, there's, it's almost like I'm a husband that got caught jerking off.
So now you're sleeping out on the couch. You got to resolve that, man.
There's nothing wrong with jerking off, especially before you go to sleep. You know, it's like a nightcap.
Yeah, kind of. But if you had so many nightcaps over like 20, 30 years, you're like, Oh, I'm fucking, I'm an alcoholic at this point.
You know? I don't know. I mean, I've never, I feel like, I feel like there's a time and place for that in my, in my regimen.
You know what I mean? It's like right before I go to sleep, it's the perfect time to do it. There's never been a moment where I like in the middle of the day, I'm like, yeah, I've never been that guy.
shit i gotta crank it but i feel like a lot of those like porn addiction guys are like that so i'm like yeah yeah it's not it's not for me but maybe you should stop porn that's how i feel

when i when i hear about some of their stories oh yeah i had a buddy who had curtains put inside of his car and he would go and just close them off so he could sit in his car and masturbate without feeling like you know like people were gonna point at him or whatever what the yo that dude needs to be institutionalized what do you mean no put a fucking stray jacket on that motherfucker. Stop.
He's got to be put in a room like train spotting. He's got to quit cold turkey like he's quitting heroin.
In Soho, that's considered off-Broadway. Yeah, no, no way, dude.
No, render him immobile for like a week. And oh my God, the amount of energy that he probably has in there, trapped in there.
If he doesn't jerk off for a week he's gonna start levitating he's gonna come out of there like like a god his car to start running on his own uh on his own semen or whatever i shouldn't have said that part but um you had uh bernie sanders on your show i did yeah pretty cool man how awesome was that yeah he's he's the man i love bernie did you find it interesting that people cheered so much against him when they said that he also took money during like remember that a couple of months ago not a not a judgment against him i think all these people i think when you get into politics right it's almost like being in a big family and if you want something done it feels like you have to there's it's almost just like money from what though well what do they say that he he took money from? Oh RFK said it During that When he was interviewing RFK During RFK's hearing That Bernie was taking money from him Yeah that's not correct He never got money from the pharmaceutical industry Like from the big corporate lobbyists He probably got So the way this works on Opus Secretsist is like – Let me just read it.

The figure cited by Kennedy referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed.

Yeah.

Okay.

Because Kennedy said that Bernie Sanders got a certain amount of money.

Yeah.

And this is just a clip.

This is actually a perfect example of what we've been talking about where you see a clip of something, right?

In 2020, this was the claim. Senator Bernie Sanders was the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money in Congress.
And the context was this figure cited by RFK Jr. referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed.
It did not refer to funds originating from or directed by pharmaceutical companies. So what that is, is the way that they, the way that when you make a donation

to a politician as an individual,

it gets filed with the FEC, right?

And in that filing,

you write what your job is, right?

And if you work in the pharmaceutical industry,

if you work for Johnson & Johnson as a janitor,

that basically gets tracked

as like Johnson & Johnson

in the section of like whichever sector you're a part of so like uh a lot of nurses gave donations to bernie sanders so that's like technically still lobbed under like health care and uh it was not yeah it was never it was never from like the executives it wasn't like executives giving millions of dollars it's like the fucking janitor works there or like you know like an accountant that works for this company but it gets filed yeah so that it looks like that in some sort of well they just it's good to have like uh knowing what sectors are doing knowing what sectors are donating but yeah there is room for nuance of course there and um and rfk was falsely claiming that he was getting money from like ceos and like the industry uh industry packs or whatever when that wasn't the case it was just like random people that work for these companies you know yeah i think it makes i mean it totally makes sense to me that that's the way that it could happen you know yeah um but it's so funny rfk probably saw a clip or heard you know it's just like it's so it's like i think rfk knows better i i don't i don't trust any of these guys i'll be honest with you like whether it's rfk trump or any number of these people or you know democrats as well like kamala harris like i think rfk definitely knows better he's just saying that because it's a good line and people will believe him yeah and i mean look that's how it works i know because like joel rogan talked about it too where they were talking about like elizabeth warren and bernie sanders getting money from like these uh you know big pharmaceutical corporations that wasn't the case but it got a lot of mileage on that side of the internet that's the other thing that i am frustrated by where there's like no consensus on this stuff anymore like what does a consensus mean like we all agree on one thing yeah and you don't have to agree on one like not everybody has to get together and agree on the same thing but like there's no there's no established truth anymore where everybody's just like operating on whatever the fuck they think is the is the truth and and heavily leaning into their biases and i feel like the internet has become way more echo chambered in that regard and it's very frustrating to see you know there's no there's no what do you say con consensus consensus so there's no like regional place you can go to except now almost your own gut or if you're influenced by clips or whatever right yeah but we're dumbasses you know what i mean like we're we're fucking stupid i'm stupid like i can't i can't gut check everything like i can't even fucking keep up with you dude i feel you but what i'm saying is is that better than us all being under the influence of some consensus i'm not i'm not disagreeing with you i'm just looking at it right um i think it's it's good to have a healthy diet of both right like you still need to have trusted resources that you can go to and rely on uh that will every now and then be like that's wrong you know what i mean and and i try to urge people to not get their media diet exclusively for me either for that reason and even my media diet itself is incredibly diverse i probably watch more fox news than i watch like cnn and shit partially because they're more entertaining um but um you know I I look at everything I so that I can develop a better understanding of like what people are saying and what people are believing in general I need to do a better job of that I think of finding my information diet yeah and just where does it come from it's not I just don't get enough of it a lot of times a lot of times I operate mostly just like on my own feelings kind of which is in the end kind of your instincts or whatever but then i start to notice that things that i get influenced by and like my own algorithm and things is like oh i'm fucking getting influenced you know i'm up last night in the middle of the night and it's like have i reposted too many tiktoks about gaza you know and i'm up for 40 minutes last night laying in my bed and my brain's calculating but shit like that you know it's like but it's just because i'll get to my you know it's like none of it's bad stuff really but it's um i'll notice if i get on my twitter thing especially i'll get angry i get and then i'm like if i'm at least aware of this is happening people that aren't aware that aren't even thinking like oh this is affecting me they me. They're just being affected.
Then it's like, man, um, my, my, the way I see my goal, like the way I see my job is to basically get people to understand why they're angry and then get angry at the appropriate vectors, like where, who's actually causing harm in their immediate lives. That's why I actively urge people to unionize and work to organize in their communities and organize in their in their workplaces in general so they have a network of support with like not necessarily even like-minded people but like people that have the same interest right you don't have to like your co-workers all that much but no matter what your boss is still fucking you over in the exact same way right he wants you to work the most amount of hours for the least amount of pay You want to work the most amount of hours for the least amount of pay.
You want to work the least amount of hours for the most amount of pay. This is a contradiction, right? So how do you resolve that? The only way to overcome the unlimited amount of power that your boss has over you is by getting together and being like, hey man, you got to give us a better contract, contract right like those are the things that i advocate for so that people develop a better understanding of who's actually harming them and they improve their uh improve their lives immediately in the short term and then build on that momentum with that said do you think we should have like a higher minimum ways you feel like i mean i think that's one part of this uh story but i do too i've thought about it a lot i've listened to people talk about it yeah i think it's good but that's still a band-aid solution i think like there needs to be more uh labor-backed control in general like unions and stuff yeah labor unions yeah we have we have uh 10 union participation rate in this country is lower than other countries that we fucked up like Chile.
We fucked up Chile. We did a coup there.
We set up a dictatorship in Chile. And they still are able to unionize more than us.
Yeah, and we rewrote their constitution. And they still have a higher union participation rate than we do.
They have 15% in Chile. We have 10%.
Do you see, because we had the Teamsters president of one of the teamsters union presidents on. Oh yeah.
You're Sean O'Brien. Yeah.
He was interesting. I've, I've, I've interviewed him before.
I've like some convos on him. He has a podcast now.
Oh, he does. Yeah.
I didn't know that. I saw him at the inauguration.
It's just interesting that I'd never talked to a teamsters union president. I've heard of the teamsters, you know, I watched Newsies or whatever, like when I was a kid, a bunch, but, um, but it was just interesting to see that, you know, to learn about unions and see how they work.
And then some people are like, well, once you get unionized, it's hard to, you don't have as much individuality. So if I'm super hardworking, I'm self-motivated, then maybe I don't want to be a part of the union, you know? Yeah.
But I could see that as a safety net for people to have a union against corporations like yeah to me it makes perfect sense like yeah otherwise they're gonna clean out your pockets they're gonna that's look every union uh every union member will tell you like the the motto for unions is united we bargain divided we beg right you can either go and be like i'm such such a good guy, please, like, look at how hard I'm working. And then in the off chance, maybe get recognized by your boss and maybe get a little bit extra money on the side.
Or you can get together with your, you know, you can get together and engage in the act of collective bargaining and force the company's hand into offering you better benefits and basically claw back the

profits that you're generating for them because without the workforce you got nothing right what do you think the fucking ceo is going to build the table no you know what i mean he doesn't know the first thing about building tables right it's just going to all all that's going to be is is a bunch of wood on the factory floor without you right workers are the ones who add the value who generate the Yeah. Bernie has a good, um, Bernie had a good thing about that.
He said that, well, if we're going to shorten people's work weeks, right. He, he, he was talking about having a shorter work week.
And then that since companies profits are going up, then the employees, the amount that they should make should go up. It's like, it shouldn't just be the company at the top that has the increase yeah so i mean ai is a perfect example of this right like it's very disruptive to the to the environment i don't like that uh but more importantly also on top of that it's it's used as a way to displace the existing labor force right um because now you can just get the machine to do the job of the person that was doing the job beforehand i'm an advocate that like no you should still keep that person employed pay him the same amount of money make him work less why i mean why are you firing this person now because ai is a tool right right but the way that we the way that companies work under capitalism is whenever there's a technological advancement like this.
Right. This has allowed us to be on 24 seven.
Now you can have so much more output as a worker. Right.
You can be you can you can be online at all times. Productivity rises in that process.
Your boss can get a hold of you at all. Yeah.
Your boss can get a hold of you at all times. You're more tapped in.
You're more aware of what's going on in the world. And you can be a better worker because of that.
But in that process, bosses look at that and go, okay, now I can make one guy do the work of five. I'm going to fire four fucking people and I'm going to make the one guy do the work of the other four people.
And that is how, under capitalism. That's how it works, where they use technological advancements that increase productivity to displace the existing labor force, to just basically fire them.
And instead of lowering the hours that the existing workforce worked and maybe even increasing their pay in the process, because they're still doing the same work. You know what I mean? And because they're fucking human beings.
Exactly. That's why at a certain point it has to tip towards an actual revolution where people pick up.
And I don't know if we can say this or not, but I'm a big. I say it all the time.
People call me radical for that. Really? I'm a big revolution guy.
I've always had little dreams of like semi-revolutions or like regional or whatever at least. I hope at least I can make it to the regional revolution.
Like I understand if I don't make it to the national, but I want to be on a horseback or at least on a fucking standing next to a count or one of our like bosses or whatever. Like I want to- No, why? See? Because that is fucking overthrowing the system.
I know, but think about the way you presented that. You want count or a boss to to be the leader of the revolution somebody's gonna have to have some sort of no i agree but it should be people back revolution that's what yeah people but one of us gets mildly elected or something but not a boss or a fucking politician those guys or a count is going to be it's going to be a uh an organizer an activist someone with a someone with a background uh someone who understands the needs of the people it's going to be an organizer, an activist, someone with a background, someone who understands the needs of the people.
It's going to be somebody also who works at a renaissance fair full time who can be on a horseback, who can handle the type of – when you think about it, I'm not even joking. It's kind of crazy, but you will need a dude who is fucking – I am willing to ride through here with a spear.
but yeah, I, at a certain point, if you let so many people go just to appease a company,

to appease corporations, you're just going to have more. Those people have to at some point.
There has to be a revolution. Isn't that how revolutions happen? Yeah.
I mean, when conditions worsen to a certain degree, yeah, people go, all right, enough is enough. We're backed into a corner.
And they start recognizing that, like that like they're being fucked over but that can also lead to a dangerous path where uh you know tell me about that well the dangerous part about that is like if they're if the people are not steered in the right direction to to recognize who's actually doing the harm to them they can be deluded by misinformation and think it's uh the jews or think it's uh fucking anthony bourdain or yeah i think it's a adam schiff uh who's apparently having sex with dead children in their minds or think it's like the guatemalan immigrant you know what i mean that motherfucker is not controlling your life he is worse off than you and he has the exact same interests as you he just wants to put food in his belly and to have a roof over his head are you talking about guatemalans that came over the border and stuff yeah yeah that's what i mean like a guatemalan immigrant or a honduran immigrant is not like he's not dominating your life at all they're not here to do evil they're not here to do bad they're here to just like work they're fucking pig strawberries all goddamn day so our asses can eat those strawberries cheap as hell you know what i mean and then we turn around and we're like, yeah, they're all rapists, drug dealer, murderers. We got to fucking purge the country of these people.
And it's like, it's really fucked up. How would you, um, how do you successfully do something like that then? Because I think a lot of people's concern, I think here's what happens is you're like, I'm not safe anymore.
Right. And you start to feel right, there's people that were raped or killed.
There was a couple instances that they put them on the news, right? They were on the congressional. You know, they had some of those people.
Trump had them at the victims at the joint congressional hearing. Right.
So I think you hear about those things and you're like, well, yeah, you'll start to apply'll start to apply them to everyone. Um, I think.
Which is crazy. Think about that.
We say there's 20 million undocumented migrants in this country. They come from every part of the planet.
And to think that they're all, and to think that they're all one collective hive mind that's here to do like evil rapes and shit is psychotic. I'm like, bro, like they don't even speak each other's language.
Like, what are you talking about? Like they have no unified hive mind here. But you basically learn to think that way.
You learn to hate in that regard. And I think the media plays a big role in this, like right wing media specifically.
Is it hate, though, you think? Because it's like I just fear. OK, so because to me, it's like have a fucking organized system.
If I go to dude, I go to, I went to Canada a couple of days ago. It was heck.
It was heck getting in and out of there. It's heck getting out of there.
It's super organized. You know, it's like, but we should, it just, cause here's the thing.
If you don't know who's in your country, then you can't do a correct census. You can't allocate things correctly to people.
You can't know who needs what in certain areas. That's why they also factor undocumented migrants into the census as well.
But if they're fearful of the federal government, if they're fearful of the federal government, they're not going to open the door for a census guy. That's part of the reason why sanctuary cities began to begin with.
It was actually advocated for. This is something that this is old lore.
People don't even know this at this point because everybody thinks like, oh, sanctuary woke libtard bullshit bro it was the fucking cops and the fbi that was advocating for sanctuary cities why because whenever a murder or or some kind of like violence happened in an undocumented neighborhood cops would come in and nobody would talk to them so they were like don't worry time so we can hear it that's important i never sanctuary cities initially were proposed by law enforcement because they realized that whenever there was violence or like you know drug dealing or a murder that took place in an area where the witnesses were undocumented migrants they wouldn't talk to the cops because they were fearful that if they talked to the cops they were going to get fucking dep. So in order to open up more collaboration and actually solve crimes like rape, murder, and all these other like violent crimes, they were like, we have to tell every undocumented migrant, like we're not going to arrest you.
We're not going to collaborate with ICE or INS at the time before ICE existed. We are just here to serve you as public servants.
And that was the reason why it was law enforcement that initially suggested sanctuary cities it wasn't like woke activists or whatever um and it's so interesting that like now republicans say it use that as a catch-all term to be like oh you're letting you're letting criminals go basically that's what they that's what they make it seem like that's what they imply bring that. How did sanctuary cities get started? That's fascinating, man.
Sanctuary city policies were not originally proposed by law enforcement. But they were they've come to support them for public safety reasons.
Right. In the 1980s, when churches in the United States provided refuge for individuals escaping civil unrest in El Salvador, sanctuary cities specifically emerged from protests against federal immigration policies that denied asylum to refugees.
However, many law enforcement officials, including police chiefs, have advocated for sanctuary policies. They argue that these policies help build trust.
These policies help build the trust between immigrant communities and local law enforcement. This trust is crucial for encouraging immigrants to report crimes and cooperate with police investigations.
Sanctuary policies allow police to focus on local priorities and prevent crimes. Wow, that's interesting, man.
I wonder though. What's that? I'm sorry? What is the AI search engine or some shit? What is this? Yeah, this is perplexity, but they have all the sources cited.
All right. I think it's interesting then, though.
I wonder how many cities then jumped on it as a – even on the Democratic side to say like – or left side, whatever you want to call it. But like to say, oh, I better be a part of this now if I want my voters to then vote for me.
You know what I'm saying? Like, so sometimes like the political kickball gets created one way, but it also gets used in a field in another way. Well, it's not, I don't think it's a bad thing anyway.
Like I, cause I'm, I'm a, I'm a active amnesty advocate. Like I if it, first of all, this is a civil offense, like crossing, crossing the border is a civil offense.
Right. Right.
And you have a five year period where if you haven't done any crimes, like the statute of limitation is over. Now there's different legal, uh, there are different legal interpretations of this and people go back and forth on it.
But like the way I think about it is like, if a dude is in here and they're working, right. And they're not trying to do a,

you know, they're not here to do evil shit. They're here to just simply work.
Give them

fucking, give them documentation. The difference between an undocumented migrant and a documented

one is just a piece of paper, is paperwork. Process these people and allow them to contribute

to our coffers in more meaningful ways because they already pay taxes but they could be paying more taxes as well do they pay taxes if they're undocumented yeah because they they uh they still they i think they still pay into social security because they have to get a social security number some sort of social security number they pay for sales taxes uh things of that nature you know what i mean like there's there's a bunch of uh different contributions they make and they can't take advantage of any of the uh the the government programs anyway that's why a lot of republicans lie they'll be like oh undocumented migrants are like stealing our uh you know our social safety nets and i'm over like i'm over here like what the what social safety nets do we have what are they we don care. Like, what are they? Are they taking advantage of health care that we don't have? They don't have health care.
The thing is, Republicans will literally factor in their natural born U.S. citizen children into the equation to be like, see, they're sending their children to public schools.
It's like, bro, that's an American citizen. Right.
The citizen right the child is an american citizen yeah yeah one in 15 households in this country is a mixed status household one in 15 oh yeah you can't even i mean you fucking everybody's mixed now it feels like mixed status like as in one parent is uh uh undocumented like a non-citizen oh yeah yeah so it's probably mexican a lot of times, I would bet. And that's just even my Mexican friends are always like, you know, my uncle's in the back or whatever they'll say, you know, and I don't say anything.
But it's like, you know, I think it's interesting. It's interesting, like, what things get, how things get framed, right, by the media, how things get used, how things like, even like sanctuary city, how does it then get manipulated, um, and used as like a negative thing or as a thing where one party feels like, well, I better declare as this, or I'm going to be out of the money, whatever the next thing is like.
Yeah. I mean, there's definitely an incentive structure among politicians to advocate for certain things but ultimately i

don't really care what the incentive structure is if the if the legislation is good if it's a good thing if trump were to do a good thing i would advocate for it as well you know what i mean do you think that's true because it seems like i have in the past when trump when trump last time he was president when he basically said i'm gonna back away from this north korea south korea shit and I'm going to let you guys handle it on your own.

And in the process, he actually reduced the military campaigns that were taking place around the Korean peninsula to allow these two countries to talk to one another. It's one country, technically, that we fucking cut in half, but that's a long history lesson I'm not going to get into.
North Korea and South Korea korea yeah and and and that was an objectively good thing like i said it at the time i was like and rachel maddow was very mad he was like oh you're doing this because you love vladimir putin or whatever the fuck but like no that was not a bad thing like let these guys hash it out and and let them let them rebuild their nation you know why the fuck are we like why do we have 80,000 to 100,000 troops stationed all the time? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it feels alarming. It feels like you have to have this military thing.
I think one thing that I noticed last night was like the military has had a tough time getting recruits, right? Yeah. Recruitment yeah and so part of me always wonders well like are the did the powers that be then want republicans to be in office because they know that eventually if people are believing more in their country again it will incite more recruitments i'm not saying that that's the truth but you just start to wonder what the fuck is really i'll tell you what made recruitment numbers does that make sense to you though i mean i i know where you're coming from but what made recruitment numbers explode initially was 9-11 that's it people joined after 9-11 and after 20 years of just like going out there and and uh guarding uh guarding like poppy fields and getting your dick blown off by some fucking dude who's hated you because you invaded his country when he was like 14 and probably killed his cousin uh you know after 20 years of doing that everyone was like oh this shit sucks we kind of lost it here huh like we did a vietnam in afghanistan and we had to pull out so and that was a good thing objectively I think it's good that we pulled out of Afghanistan but I think that's the real reason why people are like why the fuck would I join the military I can't even get a fucking charger anymore you know they the Dodge Chargers or was it the Camaro were they giving those out that's the common military car oh that's true you sign off on one of those.
The worst loan of all time. Oh, yeah, dude.
And then your high school sweetheart is fucking the neighbor while you're out there. Sometimes.
I mean, yeah. While you're out there jerking off in a fucking bunker in Karengal.
But some dude's jerking off on you or whatever, and you guys are changing each other's names after 8 p.m. or whatever and shit.
I think shit pretty melodic out there that's what i mean you're like why the fuck are you doing that and then you come back and the the american government's like all right we'll give you health care but now you're busted you need it desperately and they're like all right we'll pay for your college okay you go to college you get a communications degree now you're you know six years uh behind the rest of your your counterparts and you're in the same shit-ass job market working sucking the man's dick every day uh working a dead-end job that you despise yeah or maybe and you're fucked up and now every time you you know go to the grocery store to pick out cereal, you're having a crisis, like a mental health episode.

It's fucked up. Or a lot of people will also go into the military, learn some patterns that help them to achieve well.
My buddy Josh was in for a while. He got out, and now he's able to be a good business owner just because he learned.
He got up in the morning. It helped him have some regimen.
Yeah, no, for sure. I don't think that regimen is bad.
I'm a very regimented person person i just think that the military's output overall is is you know you're just sending poor people from uh different parts of the country overseas to go dominate some other poor people so that rich people in fucking california can make more money so the raytheon can send more missiles and make more missiles and and you got to use those missiles when you make them you know if you don't use it you lose it yeah yeah oh your missiles are going yeah there's somebody said there was an email one time that like oh your missiles are expiring soon you should use them it's like what the fuck but they do that they they any uh if you got homies who uh were active duty they'll tell you like you just dump so much money because they know that like it's gonna go bad yeah like you just fucking shoot it out into the sea if you're in the navy you're just like pop that bitch off get out there after lunch today yeah we're gonna fire a couple of these off and that's your island you're like that's an island like nobody's there yeah you're dumping payload into an island

that is more than your salary times 10 because it's going to go bad how is that not waste and fraud and abuse why the fuck are they not working on that my argument always is this the american military is a jobs program that's what it is it's uh the i think it's the second largest uh hiring body in the country after walmart if i'm not mistaken it might be the largest and i think instead of making those guys you know making these corn-fed boys from arkansas go out and and uh you know force them to eat mres all goddamn day and and be constipated for a fucking week. Make them build shit.

Make them build shit in America. It's a jobs

program. Who cares?

Make the output be good rather than

bad. That is what my

argument is. The world's biggest employer

is Ministry of Defense, U.S. Department of Defense.

Yeah, the Indian Ministry of Defense is

the largest and then the world's second

largest employer. I guess the U.S.
Department of Defense

is bigger than Walmart. Walmart and Amazon.

That's a great point.

I wish

I'll see you next time. the largest and then the world's second largest employer i guess the u.s department of defense is bigger than walmart walmart and amazon i mean that's a great point i think and maybe and you know i wish i knew more of what some of those groups did a lot of times um with the military yeah but i agree with you it's like i agree the fact that why are why does the voter what is the gun carrier the water carrier always you're always at this it's a caste system really in a lot of ways you're it is those are the people having to do the bidding of these elites you know of these countries and stuff like that but then at a certain point it's like do i decide this is my what what what integrity or what do i want to have inside of myself when i'm doing that i could be all day like fuck i don't to be doing this.
This country's a piece of shit or whatever. Or I can have pride in what I'm doing no matter what in the spot that I'm existing in, in this sort of strata.
Right. And, and I stand up for my country and it's just, you know, as we get more information, it's just, uh, it's fascinating how things change.
I just want like, I, or how things you learn more. I don't hate people.
I just want them to have better lives. You know what I mean? Even people that I disagree with vehemently, like, I always stress this point where I say Medicare for all means for everybody, right? Even if you're a fucking Nazi, you're going to get health care.
Even if you don't want health care, I'm going to fucking give you that health care. I don't give a shit.
Okay? You can cry about it all day, every day. It's's just and i think that's the attitude that other people are supposed to have in this process too like there's got to be a universality to these proposals because like i think we got to do right by others and we are not doing that right now the american government is not doing that and every at every step of the process and that's why the the military is a great example of this you know we're just using and abusing these dudes and making them do a whole lot of awful shit overseas so that some rich asshole can make more money you know and then they're broken in that process they come back there's no there's no way of like repairing them and we basically lie to them too we're like oh yeah you'll get a you'll get a great job you'll go to college you'll be able to uplift yourself and it's like that should be available without you having to serve in the military yeah but if that was available if free college existed if free health care existed go to the military and no fucking buddy is going to the military why the fuck would you do that unless you had some real gunners.
Unless you had some cool Call of Duty, Verdansk Modern Warfare dogs. I mean, yeah, those guys are...
But I'm saying you would still have some. Yeah, you would, but it would be significantly lower.
It wouldn't be this system that gets kind of manipulated and used. That's why they don't want to fix it, though.
That's why they don't want to get free health care. But that's why they don't want to fix so many things like yeah and that's what i'm saying we learn more as we learn more about it you start to see some of the clarity or or some of you learn more you have more information but then how do i operate still when i have that more information like do you know it's tough because if i become a nihilist or you know so then i'm miserable my my day-to-day is miserable, you know, and I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just saying it's, how do we manage in those spaces as we learn more? I don't know. I'm, I'm fairly tapped into all of the, the shortcomings of the American government.
And yet I, I enjoy myself. I mean, I still, I still jerk off before I go to sleep.
I still watch anime. I play basketball.
I focus on myself. I think like there are certain things that you have control over, and that is your own body, right? Your immediate friends and your family.
And you should actively work on those things to basically not lose sight of your own humanity because it's easy to get lost in the sauce in the everyday cruelty that you recognize is happening all around. And it makes you go crazy.
And in order to combat that, I always urge people to engage in self-improvement, set goals for yourself and try to achieve them. That's at least how I've always managed this stuff and also being around other people who aren't immediately uh agreeing to your your worldview like i i love parks for that reason i love third spaces no not like parks and recreation as in like the tv show i mean like literal public parks oh yeah dude there's a fucking there's a band or not a band.
There's some homeless guys stole,

I guess a band's high school equipment during COVID over by the,

there's a park behind my apartment.

And,

um,

you could hear them sometimes practicing in like three or 4am.

They get some,

they get a couple of dudes tuned up in a tent or whatever.

And you could hear them.

Um,

what song were they playing for a while?

Oh,

love the way you lie. Just gonna stand there and watch you burn i don't know what instruments they had but it's pretty cool you know they got a hold of the sheet music and everything you know but it's like yeah just making the most of where you're at um and also our military is there like you it keeps us safe if there's flooding if they do a ton of stuff yeah the army, like I interviewed a guy.
I don't want people to feel like their lives are in vain. No, no.
I admire people that go and are willing to put their years of lives into anything. Trump is firing those guys too, by the way, right now.
Like the Army Corps engineers is like what you just described. When there's a flooding happening, like they build the levees, they build the bridges, right? Trump literally is firing those people too.
It's crazy. Why is he doing it? Is it because he hates the Army Corps engineers? No, because he doesn't give a shit.
That's my point. He doesn't care.
He's like, yeah, go Elon, do whatever you need to do. Fire these probationary employees.
Nobody knows what probationary means. So they think like, oh, you know, it's good.
It's good that we're like downsizing a little bit. It's like, no, dude, you're going to start slowly but surely five years down the line.
Notice it. You're going to start noticing that things are just not working.
Like air traffic control is a great example of this since the Reagan era. Like the numbers of air traffic controls, controllers, even though air traffic has increased, the number of air traffic controllers have not kept up with the increase of air traffic so you got towers where there's like one dude there's got to be like 30 dudes in that tower i don't want the fucking plane i don't want planes to crash you know what i mean probably more of them have started to work in if that's true is there less faa people no there's probably more faa people especially like TSA and whatnot.
But I'm saying that it hasn't matched up to the rate of air. Like there's more planes in the sky is what I'm saying.
When there's more planes in the sky, you need more air traffic controls. We're cut.
The FAA helps support an air safety union. President Donald Trump's administration has said no one at the federal FAA with a critical safety position has been fired as it cuts the federal workforce some faa jobs were eliminated had direct roles in supporting safety inspectors and airport operations according to their union and former former employees this is another way that they lie by the way and and karen bass did this with the la wildfires where she was like oh we didn't actually cut the la fd budget they did they cut the support budget but when you cut the support budget yeah sure you're not cutting the actual firefighters right but you're not reducing their numbers but when you cut the support staff budget you're cutting mechanics when you cut the mechanics and your fucking fire engine is busted you send it over and it just sits in a goddamn yard for months because now there's no fucking mechanics to fix the goddamn car yeah so all of a sudden you're down one fire engine it's all it all works together i'm curious to see because trump's making you know and there's so many like executive orders and things right out of the gate and there's so much focus on him by the media too but i'm curious to see if some of these things turn out uh to help long term there's no way i'm hopeful that they are You know, like I'm curious to see if some of these things turn out to help long-term.
There's no way. I'm hopeful that they are.
I'm hopeful that if they're going to cut Medicare or Medicaid, that it's also because they're going to make price transparency from hospitals. So then the expenses won't be as high.
I'm hoping that there's some long-term strategy to a lot of his ideas like the same thing with um gaza and israel i don't know if there is it seems i don't like it but i'm hopeful trump is a major israel dick rider he's not he's not changing that i think i don't i can't you couldn't find 30 of these people that aren't it feels like yeah no especially in the american government. It's really, really awful.
Yeah. I want things to get better and I hope it does.
But the reason why I say I'm certain that it won't is because like of what you just mentioned, right? Eight hundred billion dollars of Medicare and Medicaid that I want to cut. Mike Johnson goes on stage, says, goes on Caitlin Collins on CNN and says, oh, there's a lot of fraud happening uh there's not fraud happening in medicare and medicaid on the point of the recipient right it's happening on the point of the providers right and that's why i got banned recently on twitch yesterday uh because i saw you got banned and i saw you just got back yeah libs at tiktok was like posting about how uh i said something and they they misconstrued it as So it was a call to action to assassinate a sitting US Senator.
Because I said to Mike Johnson, because I was listening to him back and forth, I said like, if Mike Johnson actually cared about Medicare fraud, he would tackle Medicare fraud happening at the point of the providers. But it's obvious that he doesn't care about Medicare fraud because if he did care about Medicare fraud, he would break Scott, who is responsible for the historic one point seven billion dollars worth of Medicare fraud.
And is he still working the bro? He's he he was a he was a corporate executive at HCA at the time in the 90s. The DOJ came after him and he basically quit his job.
He got a $10 million compensation package after doing $1.7 billion of Medicare fraud. In the private sector and then came and worked in public.
In the private sector. He got $300 million in stock options.
Didn't see a fucking moment of jail time for that. Okay.
And then now, and then he became Florida governor and now he's a fucking Florida Senator. And he's a prominent figure in the Republican party.
I think he was like their head of their fundraising or some shit. I forget what his position in the Trump campaign and the Republican party is beyond the fact that he's a Senator.
I don't know if they should allow people to go from one to the other from private to public you know i'm saying like i just because it just obviously there's conflicts of interest when people do that sort of thing you know oh for sure i mean that's one aspect but i agree with you i agree it's like that guy should be in jail like that's what i think yeah i think if you do 1.7 billion dollars in medicare fraud you should be in fucking jail. Like, what are we talking about? You shouldn't be a Republican senator from Florida.
Yeah, it says right here, Rick Scott's role in the Columbia HCA scandal. In 2003, Rick Scott's company, Columbia HCA, the largest private hospital chain in the U.S., was found guilty of defrauding Medicare.
The company was forced to pay $1.7 billion a settlement. That was the largest medical fraud largest medical fraud fine in US history at the time.
Scott, who was the CEO, left the company with a $10 million severance package after the scandal. 300 million stock options too.
Wow. So do you start to wonder, so this was when he was in the private sector, right? Yeah.
So it's, yeah, what's going to be different if a guy comes over from that private sector to the public sector? Should, it's this like- He congressperson by the way is he really yeah fuck that man give us some fucking money i think people should only be able to have a certain amount of money um yeah i mean look i don't i don't necessarily care about how much money people have um i care about how they make their money but no i agree how does this guy how do you keep like lebr his LeBron James. Right.
50,000 points. He crossed over that boundary.
20 plus years of dominance in the league. He gets paid a wage.
He's a, what is known as one of the few people, is like a wage billionaire, basically. If he makes that kind of money, that means he's making somebody else a fuck ton more money, right?

And I don't mind that he's getting paid these big bucks, partially because he's my goat and I love him.

Okay.

And I think he deserves it. But also partially because he's not making that by like hiring people and then forcing them to work to the bone.

He does have businesses.

He's also obviously an owner of capital as well. So he does capital accumulation as well.
But ultimately, I just want people to be comfortable. And I think that if you are working a job, like you should be able to have a house.
You should be able to live comfortably. And it doesn't matter what job it is.
You could be picking up trash. I think that's still obviously valuable.
It's worthwhile. Also, I guess sanitation is one of the worst examples because they do have pretty solid unions.
Yeah, we had a garbage man on who was awesome, man. My buddy Wayne, he's got a podcast now called Trash Talk.
But yeah, they do pretty well. But then what about LeBron's companies if they're buying shirts from another country? Yeah and that labor there and those people that guy's sleeping on a tricycle seat at night because he has to be at work again in the morning so that part i that's what i'm saying that part i don't agree with like but i'm saying if he was just making you know all of his money from just balling and he's getting a wage like who cares you know i don't have an issue with that especially if the uh if the, if the, hold on, I gotta open my door.
Sorry. I got, I got FedEx at the door and it's raining.
I feel bad. Oh, it's raining out there, huh? Yeah.
All right. I got it.
I did it. I did it.
We brought them inside. We know who sent the rain in probably too.
What the, the, the weather machine? Oh, the juice. I don't know.
I oh the jews i'm illegal that's what i say when the jews come for me i'll be like i'm illegal see like it did this is uh this is another example of like you know you could normal under normal circumstances you can make this joke but then like then there's motherfuckers who really believe it yeah when there's like dudes who are like no you're marjorie taylor green was talking about how they have a weather machine she wasn't saying jews but she was like they have a weather machine but imagine you're rich enough say you were rich enough like a mike uh not mike jones or whatever that's that rapper but i'm thinking of um uh bill gates right uh- you had enough money, bro, you would fucking get it. And some guy's like, look, for one bill, I'll get you a weather machine.
We'll get you the one. He'd be like, I'd get that bitch in a heartbeat, dude.
Imagine you're sitting at home, you're having your coffee, and you're like, all right, Detroit, fuck you guys. Here's seven inches right now, dude.
Here's seven white inches. It's really the only way that freaking a white guy can give seven to 10 white inches anymore is by pressing that weather button.
This is Bill Gates, pressing the weather button. He's pressing the weather button.
But no, man, I think it's, would you have had Trump come on your show? But first of all, thankfully, we can still joke around about stuff and we can have a sense of humor. Imagine if we didn't as individuals have a sense of humor.
That would be. I agree with you.
That would be the saddest. I agree with you.
I love comedy. You know, Bill Burr is my goat.
Yeah, dude. I think he is, you know, I mean, you're a comedian as well.
I'm obviously very good friends with Stavi as well. I know you always link up with him.
But the thing. He made me some cookies his mother made.
Oh, dude, me too. Yeah.
When he was out here, I ate all of it. Oh, you didn't like them? I know.
I liked them. I'm just sad that they're bipartisan snacks he's sending out.
But no, I'm joking. Oh, damn.
I'm joking. No.
Listen, he's been. It was so sweet of him.
It was this only friend of mine that did that. Very sweet of him.
Did he also? He's like, my mother wants to see those fucking good. Did he also shill his fucking calendars, his naked calendars? I think he did.
Those shits have been sitting on my desk every time. I'll have like, bro, I'll have like, you know, prominent figures like activists and shit at my house.
And. And I'm interviewing them like there was Motaz Aziza.
I'm interviewing him. He literally survived the genocide.
He's a photojournalist from Gaza. And fucking Stavi's naked body is just sitting there on the fucking desk.
I'm like, oh, my God. Like, it's fucked up.
It's fucked up. Being friends with Stavi is fucked up.
That's why you can't trust the Greeks oh now look finally something let me tell you as a Turkish man we were both let me tell you both sided agreement on right there yeah bipartisanship on that front for sure you cannot trust these Greeks yeah the third month of his calendar is Gorgonzola or whatever I'm like this seems like fuck it it was like January, February, March, April Baklava june july i'm like that seems that's the other thing yeah but stealing stealing my people's food saying it's his oh that's right the baklava is turkish bro it's turkish we gotta talk about that next time would you have uh trump on if he came if he would podcast yeah do you feel like you're that far removed from getting to talk to guys like that no no i mean i I mean, I've talked. Well, I mean, you talk to Sanders.
I don't even know why I talked. I talked to I talked to Bradley Martin multiple times after.
Like, I mean, he like I'm not above like going on, you know, right wing podcast. I'm not above talking to people who talk to Trump because I think like I don't care about like the partisanship angle of this at all i want to be able to communicate to people exactly where the problems are and why people like trump just like people like kamala are not the the perfect solution to any of these issues and um i would talk to trump i just don't think he would come on my stream like i because he is at the end the day, he wants to go on a show where they're not going to like, you know, push back too much.
Right? He wants to come across as like, he wants to be humanized. And he wants to come across as like a personal, a personality that is not devoid of charisma.
And he's very telegenic. It was actually my turning point when I listened to him and you talk about cocaine, when you were talking about doing coke and he was like genuinely expressing interest in it.
I was like, Oh fuck, this motherfucker is going to win, dude. This podcast shit is working so good.
Cause first he did the Aiden Ross thing and that was like a bit of a dud. Yeah.
Cause like, cause that just that just like didn't work out at all because um it wasn't like a normal conversation well it didn't feel it felt kind of planned yeah like they wanted to do like a video like something like let's do some social video I was like I don't want to do something like yeah like the whole dancing and stuff in front of the cyber truck uh with a photo of him I didn't love that either like that stuff it didn't work at all but then I saw your podcast and I was like oh my god this motherfucker this motherfucker is gonna win the the goddamn presidency but he didn't come i mean they didn't ask for any they didn't ask for any edits you know that was the thing they didn't say like we need to see this they didn't fucking have you guys have a good day yeah but that's also because like you're not but i'm also not a political guy like yeah i thought this was a trap i fell into recently because you because you talked to bernie sanders like a week before no yeah that's what i mean that's that's what i mean so it's like uh you're not you're not gonna like hit him on shit you're not gonna hit him on like uh stuff that he has no answer for well because i think my goal is to find it's not a goal but i just want to get to know people kind of right and i realized i i fell in this trap recently i thought that just because I had some political people on last year that I knew about politics. I do not.

That was a trap. Even my own ego was like, oh, maybe I know something about politics.
I don't know shit. Now I have some ideas.
I know what it feels like to be kind of like I feel like just a pretty regular person. And then I don't know.
I try to find empathy here and there and figure things out. But, but I'm, and I'm learning a lot.

I've definitely learned a lot more than I knew two years ago for sure.

But,

but then to think that I like,

you know, I have to be careful not to like smoke my nuts or whatever it's called,

where it's like,

you just,

you know,

just because I had some politicians on now I'm fucking,

you know,

Jim Rome or somebody,

or,

you know,

like a,

you know,

I'm like a Malcolm Mack,

Malcolm, Malcolm X. Yeah, my podcast is a cooperative corporation.
So like everyone has equal say, equal pay. Yeah.
And there are different formations of that. Like you don't have to make it equal pay, but I just thought it would be the best possible way to go about it.
But it's most importantly, aside from the equal pay, the equal say part is really important. We get together and, you know, if someone has an obligation, they're not showing up, it's fine.
You know, we make do, we figure it out as we go along. And I think that's how you get, that's how you get the most successful business, like for sure.
That's something that I stand by. And we still obviously have to hire contractors every now and then too.
Yeah, for sure. And we could get together another time and talk about business strategy and things like that i think it'd be interesting um but yeah i just wanted to just uh then yeah we do a lot of fundraising like the other uh the other day i had the the no other land the the palestinians who who made a documentary about like their lives yeah i had them no we tried to get them i had them on my i had them on my house like i they they rolled up deep they had like 10 people like the whole family was there dude no other friends.
That's what I'd say. We need to get them.
I had them on my house. They rolled up deep.
They had like 10 people. The whole family was there.
Dude, no other friends. That's what I'd say.
We invited two of you guys. Yeah.
I mean, they also straight up came from occupied Palestinian territory. They flew into America.
And we were chilling. We were just talking about their experiences.
And I interviewed them. And then in the process, the organization that actually brought them here, who works with a lot of Palestinians on the ground, they were like, oh, can you share this link to fundraise? so I did and we we in the hour-long interview that we did we we fundraised a hundred thousand

dollars now it's sitting at 135,000 but, that's the type of stuff that I love being able to do. Cause like, I feel so powerless a lot of times when I see all of this death and destruction and I feel like it's, it's a meaningful way to be able to help to, to, you know, actively fundraise gives myself and a lot of people that watch me the opportunity to say, like, you know, at least we're trying to do something, anything, you know what I mean? So I try to do that to the best of my ability.
We've fundraised for Palestinian aid organizations to the tune of, I think, like almost more than three million dollars at this point since since October 7. Wow.
Yeah, dude. Yeah.
I appreciate even saying that because i think that's something i need to hear more about it's on my brain and heart a lot we started a foundation last year but haven't started to figure out like what to do with the money or what exactly to do you know yeah like i would like to create a business that like like i thought about like water like you're selling water but the money goes towards uh rehab for people that suffer from opioid addiction you know that sort of thing just so it's like using something that everybody needs but the finally the proceeds it only goes towards this thing there's not even a profit you know it's like this is what it's for yeah yeah um but i need to be more i've done that in the past too like uh my my like i have merch and it's u.s made union made uh and obviously the margins are incredibly slim for that reason american giant is that dude does your merch or no is it no it's a bayside is my garment manufacturer my garment provider is one of the only union shops that is a garment manufacturer in the country that can like uh keep up with the demand that we have because there's a shit ton of people that are buying the t-shirts. So like, and sometimes I'll just like, I will fundraise like by saying all the proceeds, like every single point of profit is directly going to a labor union.
Like we, I gave the Amazon labor union, I think it was like $170,000 or something like that. Off of just that.
We fundraise like, I think around- Oh, for Amazon packaging? the Amazon Labor Union. I think it was like $170,000 or something like that.
Off of just that.

We fundraise like, I think around...

Oh, for Amazon packaging?

The Amazon Labor Union, yeah.

Like the people that work at the distribution facilities.

Another thing I did this past year was for...

I don't know how to say the name correctly,

but Raices is an organization

that works with undocumented migrants

in Texas specifically. And they give them, you know, translators and lawyers and, you know, they pay for lawyer fees and stuff like that.
So I'm actively working on fundraising initiatives like that because I feel like there's a lot of stories that don't get told in mainstream media. That's why I interviewed the incarcerated firefighters that were combating the wildfires in L.A.
You know, there's prisoners that fight wildfires, right? Oh, they send prisoners out to fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's like a training program and stuff. I'm working with with an organization to go and actually see them at their prison, their training camp.
Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah.
That's so creative, man. Yeah, that's – yeah, I'm glad you say these things because, yeah, it's just stuff that I can remember to try to focus more on or – yeah, because everybody – that's the crazy thing.
It's like everybody at every point of something, most people need support, right? Or they need some kind of support. They need an ear.
They need a blanket. They need a mouthful of – or they need a friend.
There's a lot of ways to be a part of the world and always to try and find a corner where a corner, um, where you can express care.

Um, Hassan Piker, thanks so much, dude.

I'd love to chat again sometime.

I know we didn't get to cover, uh, you know, some stuff we did, but I just appreciate it,

man.

I think, um, yeah, I just think it's important too, that, that, that people just get together

and talk about stuff.

You know, uh, I wish I'd have been able to like, kind of like have probably some some stronger political conversation with you some of that stuff i don't have as strong of a knowledge base in but um but i admire you dude and i admire um the way you operate and uh and i really appreciate your time today all right thanks for having me man this was great i'm sorry i have to go stream for so long too no i love it i i that's the things that i just told you in the last three minutes is exactly why I love what I do because I have to go stream for so long too, dude. No, I love it.
The things that I just told you in the last three minutes is exactly why I love what I do.

Because I have a giant community with a big heart.

Yeah.

And I think that that is what makes everything worth it.

Because like I said, there will be people swearing up and down that I'm the worst person that you've ever that you've ever met no matter where I go there it's just noise is mostly people that are online that doesn't like translate to real world experiences at all but in spite of all of that in spite of like people constantly working to actively smear me to say I'm anti-semitic or I love terrorism or whatever the fuck with clips out of context and all this shit at the end of the day I get to make an impact and that's how I sleep soundly at night you know yeah where I where I know that uh all of this is worth it why did Jewish friend recommend you to me who's about podcast. They said do not name them.

Oh, damn.

No, they didn't.

That part I made up,

but I'll just protect their anonymity.

But it's just,

you know what I'm saying?

It's like people,

I think people,

I don't know.

We're all trying.

I think, yeah,

I have a neat community too

that I feel like wants to do stuff

that's important in the world

and we're all trying to figure out how.

But yeah,

I see that light in you, man,

and I appreciate you coming

and sharing your time with us today.

I really do.

All right.

Thanks for having me.

You bet, man.

Now I'm just floating on the breeze

and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

I must be cornerstone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground

I'll share this peace of mind

I found I can feel it

in my bones

But it's gonna

take