E567 Hasan Piker

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Speaker 1 Today's guest is one of the most popular streamers. He's a leftist political commentator.

Speaker 1 You can see countless clips of him debating social issues and political topics. I admire his work ethic and his pursuit of information and communication.

Speaker 1 I am thankful today for his time and our conversation. Today's guest is Mr.
Hassan Piker.

Speaker 2 It feels like I made so many requests where I'm like, oh my god, I need to have my dog here, all this shit.

Speaker 1 No, dude, I'm just

Speaker 1 style it. You're like, probably,

Speaker 1 yeah, or is that

Speaker 2 this is just the top is just some.

Speaker 2 I mean, both are Japanese, I think, actually.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's what it is.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's a It's a Japanese brand called Color with a K.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the Pancer Adidas Y3, Yoji Yamamoto Collab. Damn.
You don't fuck with fashion at all.

Speaker 1 I mean, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 I mean, you got to look, though.

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't like to have a lot of...

Speaker 2 Should we save this for the pod?

Speaker 2 That's normal. Oh, we're rolling? Yeah.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 2 All right. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
My bad. That's why I didn't have it on the.
That's why I didn't have it in my mouth because I thought we weren't filming yet.

Speaker 1 yeah dude that is style that's yeah i mean yeah it's definitely very stylish my good friend aaron he started a company called um

Speaker 1 john elliott

Speaker 1 i feel like i've heard of that yeah they have him like in now in like in norris i mean it's like a they have like a it over like i think it was like right after like g star kind of came out like g i try i got into some g star for oh you got some g star that was like as like

Speaker 1 let me see what we're doing kind of as i got i would like to have more fashion sometimes i just don't know if I

Speaker 1 don't care.

Speaker 2 But you got to look.

Speaker 1 I get too overwhelmed. I like knowing like there's about 17 or 18 things that I wear that'll be okay.

Speaker 2 Bro, you got to look. You can't be saying, I need to get into fashion, and you're making a deliberate choice to not have a mustache and grow a beard out.
Oh, you think so?

Speaker 2 I feel like that's that's a look.

Speaker 1 Maybe that. I never thought about that.
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 You got the flannel.

Speaker 1 It's that little bit like a sock for your chin, kind of, I guess. Yeah.

Speaker 2 That's brave, by the way. I just got to say.
To do just this? Yeah, I think it's brave.

Speaker 1 But do you think that's a culture or thing? What culture is your family from?

Speaker 2 I'm Turkish.

Speaker 1 Okay, so in Turkey, is that a thing? Do you see just this ever in Turkey?

Speaker 2 Sometimes. I mean, we don't got Amish people.

Speaker 2 Normally, the only time you see the beard and the no-mustache combo is if they just go with the full one.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 And it's just like, I don't know why they do that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I saw a guy with a huge beard the other night at a comedy show. I think it was in Ohio.
He had a huge beard.

Speaker 1 beard and then an edgar that kind of mexican kind of edgar cut in the front i love that oh it was great this guy was ginger i mean probably

Speaker 1 amish or recently amish or once removed or whatever and he had had

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 1 i mean you could tell somebody in his watch somebody had

Speaker 1 he probably had nails in his pocket you know what i'm saying he definitely somebody had somebody uh

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. But no, you're probably the most style.
I'm trying to think of somebody else more stylish that's come in here. Oh, here's some facial hair types right here.
This is very important.

Speaker 2 Bro, this is like that, that Russian ethnicities photo grid. You know what I'm talking about? Uh-uh.
Like in the USSR. This is crazy.
This does look like. Yeah, they're like,

Speaker 2 they're showing us the different kinds of Armenians.

Speaker 2 This does look like 40 degrees of Uber.

Speaker 1 That's what it looks like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, see, look, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 Oh, I thought this was one of those terror watch fucking shots, dude.

Speaker 2 No, no, this is like, look at all the different ethnicities in the ussr it's the it's the it's to be better at racism racism well that's what i dude

Speaker 1 racism used to be so easy in america like when i was growing up it was like easy easy to do easy to be racist now

Speaker 1 i've been to these it's almost like you have to have a chart you have to have

Speaker 1 yeah that's what i'm a calculator to even be racist now it feels like yeah i hate that

Speaker 2 god damn it racism used to be so easy yeah what happened to the good old days you could just point out the the window and your stepdad just knew immediately what was going on you know yeah um i i think it's just it's just uh extra difficulty now that's what it is so you have to be smarter as a racist yeah there's a barrier to make the races better yeah

Speaker 2 yeah dude because oh you said there's like a barrier to entry now yeah there's a there's a barrier entry to doing racism like it's like uh it's it's unironically a more difficult process now

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 but what I was going to say is,

Speaker 2 if you want to go back to the facial hair chart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, bring it up again, please, because I want to know what we're doing.

Speaker 1 Or was it yours, the other one?

Speaker 2 No, no, that was just a USSR races, USSR race chart.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can also get that USSR chart is easily. A lot of those men, you'll see a meeting with very young girls at Starbucks, trying to get them involved in something a lot of times, it seems like.

Speaker 1 Yeah. But what is this one?

Speaker 2 What do you got? You got the chink curtain?

Speaker 1 no you got the goatee that's what you have yeah i guess i have the goatee it's very simple kind of it's like i have a big nose so i try to mat you know you do little things to try and you know trick a wife or what it trick you know you want to have a spouse so i have that and then

Speaker 1 I have a little bit more chin than my brother does. So I have a real chin in here.
Some people, it's completely, it's a total mirage.

Speaker 1 Like there's a guy that's in that power slap game and they can't even like he has his they can't they can't identify where his chin begins

Speaker 2 yeah yeah i love that especially when like dudes have that situation going on and then they'll just like grow out their beard and basically try to like line it up so that there's like a chin there it's like bro you are not fooling anybody yeah and i don't even know what to do in that situation like if you got that If you got that no-neck edge shit, then you're kind of cooked regardless.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But I mean, good luck. I don't know.

Speaker 1 There is the one where it's crazy where sometimes yeah, they they cut the hair exactly

Speaker 1 Yeah, oh, that's no neck Ed yeah, he's doing real estate now too. He was doing lemonade sale.
He was in like a he got caught up in big lemonade or not big lemonade but like lemonade big lemonade.

Speaker 1 He was so I know he was he got I think he was involved with lemonade for a bit I saw him selling a he was involved with like a like a child like what do you mean?

Speaker 1 No, like he was selling he got caught up Ed and Pete's there it is something like that or lemonade.

Speaker 2 Oh, he like actually had his lemonade brand.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he was selling it was like uh it was the opposite of, you know, they have like a long neck bottle. That was the whole play on it.

Speaker 2 Oh, oh, that's weird. I know.
That's such an odd thing that he was. So he made like a short and stubby one.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Who wants that baby lemonade out of Ed? Oh, he definitely looks like the kind of guy that you would just, you want to fucking crack open. He looks like that fancy syrup.

Speaker 1 You ever see the fancy bottle of syrup? It doesn't have, bring it up if you can. It's kind of light brown.
It has a brown top on it. It's maple syrup, but it's wide.

Speaker 2 Oh, like the maple version?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the 365 of Whole Foods, that matte finished one.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the one that looks like a liquor bottle. Yes.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it looked like an old brown jug.

Speaker 1 That one, yeah. I always, he kind of had that.
Anyway, I feel bad we're making fun of the guy now.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he wasn't, I don't know. I remember watching 90 Day Fiance, and he didn't seem like a good dude.
Oh, really? He didn't seem, he didn't strike me as like a very nice guy, but I mean, who knows?

Speaker 1 Oh, I'll jump on a hate wagon in a Harvey, dude.

Speaker 1 bro yeah um no but i i saw the other day he was doing real estate man hassan piker thanks for coming in dude yeah i appreciate it thank you for having me i know you're super busy man i i admire um

Speaker 1 i admire first of all how streamers how the effort it is. It almost seems like it's like one of those races in the Olympics that it's like an endurance game.

Speaker 1 But also just like your openness to like thinking about things. You don't seem like just like one type of person or like you could pigeonhole you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do, I do a little bit of everything.

Speaker 1 I mean, but even just in your own beliefs, like, and you know, when you talk about political stuff, it's like

Speaker 1 you seem very poignant, but also like aggressively open to things, you know, which I think, and that's a judgment, and maybe I shouldn't have said something like that.

Speaker 1 But anyway, I just admire the way that you do things, dude. So I appreciate you coming and hanging out.

Speaker 2 That's all I've said. Thanks for thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 I think streamers are basically like the bottom of the totem pole as far as content creators Like it's definitely laborious, but I wouldn't say that it's like super difficult because like

Speaker 2 overall, a Hollywood production, if it's if that is like the highest stage of like content creation and you have you know hundreds of people working all around the world working around the clock to put like two and a half hours of content together where everyone's gonna sit there and watch.

Speaker 2 Twitch streaming is like the lowest of the low where it's just like a dude like me, half the time, you know, picking at his crotch, watching YouTube videos, picking his nose.

Speaker 2 And it's, you know, it's, you have to be on for eight hours at a time, and it's like usually one person doing that, and that's annoying.

Speaker 2 And you got to be like constantly listening to people chirp at you.

Speaker 2 Um, and that part sucks, but overall, I would say it's like the you know, lowest tier of content, lowest effort of content.

Speaker 1 Would you say that it's the purest of content, though, in a weird way? Like, because it's I mean, what I do is

Speaker 2 AM radio, but

Speaker 2 what I do is basically AM radio, but for Zoomers, you know, like that's the way I describe myself. Like, do you know, like, I'm sure you know, Rush Limbaugh.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Um, like, that's, that's the way that I describe what I do to older people in general, where, like, I'm like Rush Limbaugh, but without the brain, uh, without the brain rot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Quite literally and figuratively. I mean, he did die of brain cancer.
Did he?

Speaker 1 He had addiction, I know.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he also had a, yeah, he had a hole, I think, in his brain from all the perks. He was perked up.
He was a perked up shouty.

Speaker 1 He was definitely...

Speaker 2 My body, my body, yeah.

Speaker 1 I think he definitely was one of the early,

Speaker 1 he was almost like a rapper in a way, like with the pills. I think he had the women.

Speaker 2 Bring up Rush Limbaugh's wife. Let's even get a...
No, I don't know. I feel like those guys don't fuck.
I don't know why. Like,

Speaker 2 unless they're gay, the gay conservatives like the the ones in the closet like they fuck okay never mind she's kind of she's kind of a looker huh I mean she's better looking than him yeah I mean that's not saying much

Speaker 2 but still I've seen yeah sometimes you get a uh yeah she has a very who does she look like a little bit I've never seen his wife or someone's widow cat she kind of looks like in that photo where they're kissing she kind of looks like Walter White's wife you know what I mean oh yeah

Speaker 2 the blonde-haired lady yeah Yeah. But like hotter.

Speaker 1 And Tori's spelling a little bit too. She looked like, if you go back, one, Tori's spelling was probably a four-year time, but oh, yeah, she does.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I never looked at his wife.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I never seen a picture of her before.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, it'd be weird if you were just like out there Googling Roche Limbaugh's wife. Yeah, well, you just find that.
I do that all the time.

Speaker 2 I look at all the, all my favorite conservative commentators' wives.

Speaker 1 You just think, like, yeah, I guess what are people's, I don't know. Yeah.
Yeah. I guess it's good that I'm not doing that.

Speaker 1 What's one of the the toughest things about streaming that people don't understand, though?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 I'll say it like this: back in the day, Joe Rogan used to always talk about how when you do a three-hour podcast, like there are so much that people can just like clip out of that and then take out of context, like rob it of its nuance and rob it of its context.

Speaker 2 And it was funny because, like, at the time when he was saying this, like, podcasting was a relatively new medium.

Speaker 2 I'm talking like 2014, 2015, when Joe Rogan, when he like first was building building out the Joe Rogan experience, right?

Speaker 2 Every other week, seemingly the media would yell at him over some shit that he said on his podcast. And he was like, we're having an honest discussion.
It's three hours. It's back and forth.

Speaker 2 It's going to happen. Things are going to get taken out of context.

Speaker 2 I think for Twitch streaming, that's tuned up to 11, where not only am I live, I'm talking about politics, which are, you know, I mean, I'm talking about some really crazy issues, hot button topics.

Speaker 2 And also, I'm doing that with a live audience who's constantly chirping at me in real time,

Speaker 2 trying to, you know, trying to constantly piss me off.

Speaker 2 And then when they do successfully piss me off, they'll clip that shit and post it on Twitter, post it on Reddit, be like, call out post, call out post. This guy's bad.
Look at what he said. And,

Speaker 2 you know, when you got like crazy dedicated haters too, especially because you're doing politics in general, you're going to have a lot of crazy dedicated haters.

Speaker 2 They They just do, you know, they just compile all of that to be like, this is a bad person over and over and over again. Like, you'll see it in the comments section of this video.

Speaker 2 There will be a ton of people who are going to come in and be like, this guy is a bad dude. Like, he said this, he said that.

Speaker 2 The major reason, obviously, for that is because I'm anti-Israel. Like,

Speaker 2 I'm pro-Palestine. I've been pro-Palestine for quite a while, and that really brings out the crazies.
Does it really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 You haven't encountered this? I mean, you had Gabor Monte on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had Gabor Monte. We had a rabbi.

Speaker 1 We had Basam Youssef. And we definitely have tried to learn some about it.
I think in the end, for me, it just became like my feelings just tell me that it's

Speaker 1 just messed up what's happened to those people. It's like, and that a lot of it was covered up by the media or they didn't want you to share certain information or you weren't allowed to.

Speaker 2 No, for sure. I mean, that's how it's always been, though.
It's not just for Israel. It's just in general.
Like, when it comes to American foreign policy,

Speaker 2 the American media is fairly one-note. Our politicians are one note on it, too.
They're bipartisan on that.

Speaker 1 Right. That's like.
So when you say that, do you mean that they're all in on the same, it's all kind of the same ruse, do you mean?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. They all

Speaker 2 agree. It's always uniparty when it comes to American foreign policy, when it comes to giving money to Israel, when it comes to a lot of that stuff, like going to war with Iraq, right?

Speaker 2 You got the media also presenting that lie that they have, you know, chemical weapons, they have weapons of mass destruction, and uncritically reporting on that to justify going to war with Iraq, going and invading a foreign nation that we had no business invading.

Speaker 2 Right. So that is, that happens all the time.

Speaker 1 Do you think that that's starting to get upset even by like podcasting, streaming?

Speaker 1 Do you think that that apple cart's starting to change? It feels like.

Speaker 2 Oh, for sure. I think that

Speaker 2 the independent media sphere definitely is like dominating, partially because of that reason.

Speaker 2 Sometimes for bad reasons, people have lost confidence in media when they just don't like what they're reporting, even if they're reporting the truth. And then there are plenty of major reasons like

Speaker 2 Jeffrey Epstein's death. Like you go to any outlet, most of them are going to rule it a suicide.

Speaker 2 No critical reporting on it whatsoever, just unconditionally saying like, no, no, no, it was definitely a suicide. Like the average American doesn't feel that way.

Speaker 2 And also there's very valid reasons as to why they don't feel that way. Israel is another great example of this where like it was like 80% of Americans wanted a ceasefire.

Speaker 2 And yet if you look at all the way from CNN to Fox News, every single outlet was just like, no, no, no, you don't understand. Israel has to kill these children.
Like, please, no, you don't understand.

Speaker 2 Like, can you imagine? You got

Speaker 2 imagine a role reversal in that situation where, like, you got, you got

Speaker 2 Osama bin Laden's best lads on CNN immediately after 9-11 being like, listen, like, we, we had to blow up the Twin Towers. Like, you don't, the World Trade Center, it was, it was right there.

Speaker 2 It was asking for it.

Speaker 1 One of them was a little askew.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. We had to fix it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Well, yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 1 Well, there's that that famous video that got shared a few years ago, like during COVID, when it was like every channel was reporting the same exact, it was just the same script.

Speaker 2 It was almost just like Sinclair Broadcasting. Yeah.
So that's actually, that's ironically, a lot of right-wingers spread that one. Is that true or not? No, it is.
But that's right-wing.

Speaker 2 That's Sinclair broadcasting. It's like a right-wing media company that basically bought out all the remaining local news broadcasters.
Wow. So it's like an umbrella.

Speaker 2 Right-wing media is all over the place, actually. And a lot of people don't realize it.

Speaker 2 Like whenever Fox News talks about like mainstream media lies, I'm like, bro, you are the most popular news network in the country. What do you mean, mainstream media?

Speaker 2 Like you're dominating everybody else.

Speaker 1 So you're saying that a lot of times

Speaker 1 mainstream media is also right-wing media.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right-wing media is so dominant. And in the independent side, right-wing media is dominant as hell, too.
But like on the mainstream side, right-wing media is incredibly dominant.

Speaker 2 They dominate the local news with Sinclair broadcasting and also all the way up to Fox News, which is the most famous, which is the most successful network news broadcaster in the country.

Speaker 1 Is Fox News the most watched news network?

Speaker 2 By widest margins. Really? Yeah, it's not even close.
CNN and MSNB, Trump always talks about how CNN and NBC are in the pooper. Their ratings are awful.

Speaker 2 These guys love presenting themselves as vulnerable victims, and I really always get annoyed by that. Like they say that about,

Speaker 2 they they used to always say that about like Facebook too they're like oh they're banning stuff and I'm sure they banned like vaccine denial or whatever right because Facebook wanted to be woke and liberal until Mark Zuckerberg got hit with the Dominican Ray but

Speaker 1 so then when people say mainstream media then I guess what it then what did it because it always felt to me like

Speaker 1 Yeah, that every outlet was just always super liberal. That's what it felt like.

Speaker 2 They are. No, no, for sure.
Like a lot of, like the New York York Times, you got CNN, ABC, CBS, like NBC, these outlets are liberal. Now, obviously, I'm a little bit of a radical, I guess.

Speaker 2 So I'm definitely not fond of the Democratic Party either, even though my criticisms of the Democrats are because of their closeness to the Republicans in general.

Speaker 2 But yeah, they are, I would say that they're definitely liberal, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're like on the side of the people or anything like that, or on even the progressive side of many the many of these issues.

Speaker 2 And that's why I said there is this uniparty attitude, like liberals and Republicans, they basically come together and agree when it comes to giving more money to Israel. Yeah.
Not the voters.

Speaker 2 I'm talking like institutions. I'm talking politicians.

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, that's general. Yeah, that seems to be, I think it feels so far away from being represented.
Like the

Speaker 1 people feel so far away from being represented.

Speaker 1 And I feel like that seems like it's gotten further and further in my lifetime i can't tell if it's just because i'm getting older and so you hear about more stuff like that or if it's actually true but i think people just feel like

Speaker 1 you know like why are we having to audit our own government you know whether or not the means that they're going about it are good or not but it's like it's like the the fact that people are cheering to have our own government audited the fact that it's like yeah that 80% of the people would would say they don't support what's happening in Gaza, but yet we would still send money to Israel.

Speaker 1 Like, I think it's.

Speaker 2 Trump has done that. Trump, the other day, Trump was like, yo, we gotta, we can't give any more money to Ukraine, right? Um, you're done.
He's like, Zell Disney, you're out.

Speaker 2 And then he turns around and he's like, Also, we're sending $3 billion of weapons and bulldozers to Israel, Pronto. Did they really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Bring that up.

Speaker 2 $3.4 billion, I believe. On the same day.
Yep. Rubio

Speaker 2 bypasses Congress to send Israel $4 billion in arms. They were like, oh, we have to expeditiously send this out to Israel.
Arms for what?

Speaker 2 What do you mean? To continue killing Palestinians.

Speaker 1 Is there anybody left there?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 There's still a million plus Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. They're basically just like living in the rubble, trying to rebuild.
I mean, these are some of the most resilient people on the planet.

Speaker 2 They've been through hell a million times over, you know?

Speaker 1 And you still see a lot of great, like there was a beautiful video.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure if it was AI or not, of them trying to celebrate Ramadan the other night night oh the long table yeah yeah i think that was real though i don't think that was ai because i saw people take uh i saw people taking photos of that yeah i mean also the other side of this is like the gospel strip is is like overwhelmingly children like we're talking i know like the the average age is 14.

Speaker 1 people are on like 50 plus percent are are minors well that's i think that is before october 7th but like a year ago people would be afraid to have i think this converse to to

Speaker 1 people would be afraid Oh, for sure. Including us.
Like, I'd be afraid. I'd be afraid that.

Speaker 2 No, I mean, look, I've been actively and openly pro-Palestinian emancipation for the past decade, and I've seen a major attitude shift. You're the Turkish McLamore, dude.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? Because he, yeah, he's.

Speaker 2 When I was in

Speaker 2 third grade, I thought I was gay.

Speaker 2 Did he do that? That's what his song is.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, dude, you got to be pretty, you have to have an open attitude, even think that way in third grade.

Speaker 2 But no, he's just been,

Speaker 1 he's been unabashedly afraid to share about Palestine, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah. No, he's had his heart changed.
I think his heart's in the right place. I think he's doing great.

Speaker 1 He was from the beginning about it. I mean, he was early on it.
Yeah, yeah. Not like 10 years.

Speaker 1 He hasn't been, but since it became like a hot, more of a hot button issue in the past three or four years, for sure.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, look, I'll never discard allies. You know, that's an amazing thing to look at the situation with clarity, with moral clarity, and just be like, listen, I didn't know enough about this.

Speaker 2 And now I've recognized the cruelty of what we are doing.

Speaker 2 Because that's the other thing. America, whether we agree to it or not, or whether we recognize it or not, is like participating in this in a pretty meaningful way.

Speaker 2 They're offering political cover at the UN.

Speaker 2 You got the

Speaker 2 basically war crime cops out there at the ICC and ICJ, the International Court of Justice, which prosecutes state-on-state prosecutions.

Speaker 2 You have the International Criminal Court, which is a court that prosecutes war criminals, right?

Speaker 1 Trevor Burrus, and both of them have issued for Netanyahu to be arrested, right?

Speaker 2 So South Africa has a case against Israel for genocide that's ongoing. And at the ICJ, and at the ICC,

Speaker 2 the International Criminal Court has a prosecutor that has issued arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu and Yoev Galant

Speaker 2 for the crime of

Speaker 2 doing a genocide for being war criminals, intentional starvation of a civilian, captive civilian population. It's a pretty obvious war crime.

Speaker 1 So well, I just think it's honestly, bro, some of it I think is kind of pussy.

Speaker 1 Like, and I hate to say that because some people don't have pussies, they don't believe in them or whatever, but it's like, I think if you're all, if your military is so great, send in snipers and get the bad guys.

Speaker 1 That's how I feel. Do some covert op shit, but just to be like...

Speaker 2 Their military's ass, though. That's the problem.
They just have like...

Speaker 2 They just have

Speaker 2 overwhelming firepower and air superiority. That's it.

Speaker 1 But that's the part to me. It's like, send in some, you know, if those are the bad guys, send in and get the, like, do some.
It just felt like this.

Speaker 1 I don't know. It just started to feel gross.
And then the great thing was it feels like you couldn't hide it from a nation. You could not hide from the world that what they were doing was wrong.

Speaker 1 But going back to what you're saying, how much are we complicit in so many of these

Speaker 1 types of things that happen in different countries? And do we need to be?

Speaker 2 No, I think we are complicit. I mean, that's how I feel about it, at least.

Speaker 2 But that's why I actively urge people to protest and do everything in their power to try to put an end to this, because I think we have a lot of power in this regard in the United States of America.

Speaker 2 I don't think that America is like a true democracy by any means. And this kind of stuff basically puts that on display for everyone to recognize.

Speaker 2 Or, you know, whenever people go, hey, can we get healthcare? And the government's like, fuck you. Then you're you're like, what? Like, this would be nice to have, you know, socialized medicine.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 but you still got to keep trying.

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Speaker 2 I wouldn't say it's like complicity in terms of like your hands are bloody individually,

Speaker 2 but

Speaker 2 the least you can do is not actively champion America doing this stuff and

Speaker 2 also go out and protest like and try to try to give a voice to voiceless people that are just being massacred for no reason. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Why is there such a strong bond between America and Israel? I've heard Candace Owens saying that she thought it was blackmail, but why do you think there's really such a strong

Speaker 2 Candace Owens got a lot of thoughts on that stuff?

Speaker 2 I think there's like two different camps here. You got people who critically analyze the relationship with Israel, and then you got people who are like, it's the Jews.
You know?

Speaker 2 I am in the critically analyzing the situation camp rather than just being like, oh, it's Jews because they got mind control powers or whatever the fuck people say.

Speaker 2 It's because it is an unsinkable aircraft carrier in a resource-rich region, and it has its own espionage facilities. And that is the reason, like, we basically carried over from the British

Speaker 2 this settler colony in the region that we can just kind of use or have a collaborative relationship with. And it's incredibly valuable for us.

Speaker 2 So valuable that like, I mean, Israel's blown up USS Liberty like an American Navy ship.

Speaker 2 And basically.

Speaker 1 That was in the 50s, I think.

Speaker 2 Yeah, in that process, like it was an incredibly valuable Cold War ally because we were terrified of Israel going and like collaborating with the USSR.

Speaker 2 You got pan Arabic nationalism happening all around the region. All these countries that are developing nation states

Speaker 2 doing so on the boundaries of

Speaker 2 defeating

Speaker 2 their colonial occupiers, whether it be French colonialism or British colonialism. And simultaneously, they're looking to the USSR, right? And they're like, you know, maybe you guys will help us out.

Speaker 2 This seems like a cool thing that you guys got going on over there. This socialism stuff ain't too bad.
America goes, fuck that.

Speaker 2 And they basically hit the Israel button as hard as they could, where they were just like, you guys are going to be our,

Speaker 2 you you guys are going to be our extension. Right.
It's like, um,

Speaker 2 some of my friends say there are favored client states, and then there are client states that America just discards. Ukraine is obviously a non-favored client state.

Speaker 2 And that's what happens when you're done with Ukraine, where you're like, I'm done with this, you know, pack it up. Give me all your minerals, even if you have any.
Who knows? I don't care.

Speaker 2 You know, know your place.

Speaker 2 America does this to the Kurds all the time as well, where they'll just like arm them and be like, Yeah, you guys need to get, you guys need to develop a nation state. It'd be nice.

Speaker 2 Kurds are an ethnic minority in the region. Okay.

Speaker 2 35 million people. In what region? In the Middle East.
35 million people don't have a nation state.

Speaker 2 A lot of them live in Turkey.

Speaker 1 So kind of homeless guys.

Speaker 2 Iraq. Well, yeah.
Yes and no. And there's like varying degrees of cruelty that they're subjected to in these countries as like an ethnic minority, my country included in Turkey.
Wow. And

Speaker 2 they want to to build a nation state. They got an autonomous region in Iraq now.
They're in Syria as well. They're in Iran as well.
And then they're trying to figure out Turkey. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So America will go up to them and be like, we're going to arm you guys. We're going to train you guys.
Go fuck shit up. And then as soon as they're done,

Speaker 2 they just discard them. And they're like, okay, go.

Speaker 2 They'll tell Turkey you can go and bomb these villages that they're in. Who cares? It doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 1 So what you're saying, I think it's like,

Speaker 1 that's one of the things that makes it tougher. The more information you learn, I think in the world, it's like

Speaker 2 the shittier things seem.

Speaker 1 Yeah, in some ways.

Speaker 1 But the reality of things, you just see the reality. It's like, yeah, you need,

Speaker 1 and if you were playing a game of risk and you were these dick, you were these powerful people, how would you operate?

Speaker 1 And yeah, it just gets to, it gets to be tough to find out, okay, well, then what is being an American still mean to me?

Speaker 1 And then also that things are so conflicting and dangerous out there amongst these like leaders and powers that you have to

Speaker 1 you have to like kind of put a flag in something for yourself, you know, um,

Speaker 1 just to kind of get to because otherwise you'll just be sort of aimless, it feels like.

Speaker 1 Um, well, I mean, I think I don't know if I'm even explaining that fully right, but you got to stand for something.

Speaker 2 Is that what you're saying? If you don't stand for something, you fall for everything, yeah.

Speaker 1 So, here's what I think: it's like the more we learn about

Speaker 1 history, the more we learn about just like

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 1 like, well, America did these things and some of it, 9-11 could have been the result of some of that.

Speaker 1 Just more as you start to learn that America hasn't always been this perfect partner and this, that it just starts to test like, okay, well, what does it mean to be an American to me?

Speaker 1 But then at the same time, you need to be an American because you live in a country that's safe and you're able to operate here within the country.

Speaker 1 So it's, I don't know, it just makes it kind of interesting. Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 No, I get it.

Speaker 2 What you're exhibiting is

Speaker 2 a very normal contradiction that a lot of Americans, when faced with the reality of American foreign policy, they come to terms with this.

Speaker 2 Like they try to, they try to resolve this contradiction where on the one hand, you're saying, well, I'm an American. I like the security blanket that I exist under, right? But also simultaneously,

Speaker 2 simultaneously, you're like, but damn, we're doing a lot of fucked up shit around the world.

Speaker 2 I mean, look,

Speaker 2 people always yell at me and say, oh, Hassan, you only say America bad,

Speaker 2 but I don't just stop at that. Like, I want America to be good.
I think America has an incredible potential. It's the wealthiest nation on the planet.
It should be doing so much more

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 2 help its own citizens and so much more to lead the way, pave the way for a new evolution of the way that we look at international relations than the way that we engage with conflict.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the reason why America is the way it is is because I see it as basically, you know, 50 corporations in a trench suit. Like it's just

Speaker 2 it's a holdover to extract tax revenue from everyday Americans and then give it directly back to corporations in the form of subsidies without ever regulating them and, you know, demanding anything in return.

Speaker 2 I think one of the best examples of this was when

Speaker 2 you know, Russia invaded Ukraine and then Russia is also part of OPEC Plus. So they went back to Saudi Arabia.
Okay, so take us us back.

Speaker 1 Our listeners, if we get too much information, a lot of them don't.

Speaker 2 They're going to tune it out?

Speaker 1 Well, they just, I think it's, if it's new information for me, I shouldn't say them.

Speaker 1 If it's new information for me, it's hard for me to go along. So OPEC.

Speaker 2 Why are you throwing him under the bus?

Speaker 2 I know. I am.

Speaker 1 My bad, guys.

Speaker 2 I am the problem.

Speaker 1 So, but OPEC is the oil.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 So OPEC is like an oil NATO.

Speaker 2 Yeah, right. Yeah, basically, exactly.
It's a cartel. Okay.
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 It's a group of

Speaker 2 countries that have oil reserves that basically set the price of oil barrels.

Speaker 2 And Saudi Arabia is pretty dominant because they have,

Speaker 2 you know, I mean, they are the oil. Like they're the big base.
They're damp. Yeah.

Speaker 2 And yeah, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. And Russia basically went back to OPEC and was like.

Speaker 1 Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries. Yeah.
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 At the time, Russia had a lot to, you know, a lot to gain from. and all these other countries had a lot to also gain from basically limiting the price of or limiting the supply of oil.

Speaker 2 You know, we're in the post-COVID era, too, and

Speaker 2 they were also making a lot of money or they had lost a lot of revenue, so they wanted to recoup because nobody was like flying around or using oil because everyone was like starving home.

Speaker 2 Oil takes down.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 they were recouping on those losses by just basically saying demand is on an all-time high.

Speaker 2 We're not going to produce, you know, we're not going to keep up with that demand to make sure that we stabilize the prices.

Speaker 1 Right. So they're saying, oh, there's only so much oil.
Even though there's as much as they want, they kind of want.

Speaker 2 They could have produced way more.

Speaker 2 So the point I was going to make is Brandon went back to Saudi Arabia. You know, he shook hands with MBS and was like,

Speaker 2 Brandon, Joe Brandon. Joe Biden.
Oh, Joe Biden. Yeah.

Speaker 2 He went to Saudi Arabia. He was like, come on, Jack, you know, produce more oil.
Come on, don't do it. And they were like, nope.

Speaker 2 The reason why I'm telling this convoluted story is because then we have American oil and gas industry providers, right? Like, we have our own oil.

Speaker 2 Everybody always talks about how we have independence, like energy independence in America.

Speaker 2 So he went back to the American oil and gas industry and was like, all right, you guys have to, you know, produce more oil because you have to offset what like OPEC is doing.

Speaker 2 And you know what they said? Fuck you. That's what they said.
They get, they rely, the oil and gas producers in this country, the fossil fuel industry gets 80% of our energy subsidies.

Speaker 2 It's like billions of dollars that they get. Subsidies American.

Speaker 1 They get kickbacks from the government.

Speaker 2 Not even a kickback.

Speaker 2 Like government collects taxes and then government gives these companies, whether they're in agriculture or whether they're in the oil and gas industry, they give money to these companies to keep prices relatively low, to keep up with the cost of the production, right?

Speaker 2 They're like, hey, we're going going to give you this money, so you keep prices low. But in a time.

Speaker 1 Oh, because

Speaker 1 that company owns so much of the actual market of whatever that product is that if they wanted to adjust it, they could do it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. I didn't even know.
And they didn't, they didn't provide, they just didn't supply the federal government with more oil. Like they just did not.

Speaker 2 They did not produce more in the time to stabilize prices.

Speaker 2 And you got like the oil lobby guys going on CNBC and actively being like, we have a fiduciary responsibility to our shareholders to maximize profit.

Speaker 2 We don't care if the, you know, we don't care if the prices are high, you know, sucks to suck because our profits are great.

Speaker 2 And the reason why I explained all this is because I think that's a perfect demonstration of how America operates, like the American government operates rather, where it serves corporations, not the people.

Speaker 2 And then you got China on the other hand, where like it's, you know, they got billionaires too. they got massive corporations too, but those corporations serve the government.

Speaker 2 Now, that can be bad, but if the government is,

Speaker 2 you know, interested in

Speaker 2 uplifting the great, the public good and doing like even development or whatever, then ultimately they just can force corporations' hands to do whatever they want.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, like, like you're saying, it's like, yeah, the more you learn, it's

Speaker 1 you have to then decide, okay, you almost have to differentiate.

Speaker 1 Well, what does it mean to be an American to me?

Speaker 1 You know, because if I stay here and I sleep under this banner of America where I can make money and I can have, and there's a welfare system, and albeit there, you know, people have ideas of whether they're good or bad in those,

Speaker 1 but, but that I stay here, I continue to stay here, I keep myself here, this is where I choose to be.

Speaker 1 you know, in the safety of this place.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like well how complicit am i or am i just an american and this is this is the i got blessed into this place and this is where i am and if somebody else weren't born into this place and they were in a place that were you know more hostile and scarier to live in and sleep in and try to survive in wouldn't they be praying that they would be here or that they would have some of the same things yeah everyone everyone does that make any sense no it does yeah no you what you're describing like i said is is uh what leftists what leftists call like living in the imperial core because if you're in the if you're in the heart of empire, you at the very least don't suffer the repercussions of being the victims, right?

Speaker 2 Right. Like you're not, you're not in Guatemala, so you're not getting destabilized by the American government in many instances, like, or at least throughout your history.

Speaker 2 So you haven't been kept down.

Speaker 2 And therefore, your situation in comparison to them is going to be a lot better.

Speaker 1 And then what do I want my life to be like day to day?

Speaker 1 Do I want it to be this constant nay, like, or do I want to not think about those things and think that those are the government's, you know, some of that's the government's responsibility?

Speaker 1 I do my best to elect and vote in a way that I think is meaningful and vote for the best person. And then I try to enjoy my life and take care of my family and my neighbor.

Speaker 1 You know, I think it's like, I don't know. That's kind of how I think maybe I start to break it down in my head, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 that,

Speaker 2 that, what you were describing right there is, is

Speaker 2 basically the heart of, I wouldn't say the problem necessarily, but that, that is why a lot of people just like tune out because they feel just powerless at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 You know, you got your protest, you vote, and then these guys do whatever the fuck they want to do. What am I supposed to do? Is like the attitude that the average citizen has in this country.

Speaker 2 And, you know, that's why things slowly but surely seemingly get worse year over year.

Speaker 2 Maybe not for you and I, because like, I mean, we're relatively successful, but for like average people, for everyday people, shit is fucked up.

Speaker 2 And they recognize it, but they don't know who is responsible for it.

Speaker 2 And they become so malleable and so open to responding to anybody that will look at anybody that will recognize their frustration and say, it's actually because of this and that.

Speaker 2 And I think Trump tapped into that so perfectly. And that's why he won.
That's why he defeated the Democrats so handily because he was like, yes, you're angry. I'm angry too.
Why are you angry?

Speaker 2 Because woke libtards, because DEI, because trans people, because,

Speaker 2 you know, undocumented immigrants. Undocumented immigrants aren't your fucking landlord.
They're not the one who's raising the price of rent.

Speaker 2 They don't own the mega corporations.

Speaker 2 They're not sitting at the board of BlackRock. You know what I mean? It's not a Guatemalan migrant that's sitting at the board of BlackRock purchasing all the fucking houses.

Speaker 2 Or they're not the real estate developers that refuse to

Speaker 2 add to the

Speaker 2 much needed supply of housing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and instead put a fucking rag and bone in every town, dude.

Speaker 2 I fucking hate rag and bones.

Speaker 1 Well, it's just like, dude, don't tear down cool areas and just put up a rag and bone, dude.

Speaker 2 It's not fucking cool.

Speaker 1 But no, man, it's interesting. I never really heard it put like that.
Like,

Speaker 1 and then, of course, the other things, you say these other things to people. That doesn't feel

Speaker 1 you got to point. You have to approach people with something they can point a finger at, and it's whatever they're pointing at is close enough.
where they feel like

Speaker 1 it can be reached.

Speaker 1 Right. Like those are things that it's like,

Speaker 1 but also those are things like you label, like, and Trump talked about him last night on some of the congressional address. I think it was the party address last night.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He did like a fake State of the Union. It was a joint congressional address.
Joint congressional address. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because he talked about some of those things like DEI.

Speaker 2 Yeah, bro. They cut DEI.
Now planes are fucking falling out of the sky, man. We need to bring Pete Budijudge back as the transportation secretary.
He needs to fix the problem. Was he a dog in there?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 We need black pilots. Dude, first of all, black people can jump better.

Speaker 2 So, how are you not going to have a fucking black dude in a plane, bro?

Speaker 2 I don't know. I don't know about the jumping.
I don't know. I don't know how to

Speaker 2 factor into

Speaker 2 the pilot program.

Speaker 1 But still, dude,

Speaker 1 if I saw Michael Jordan in the cockpit, that bitch, we're going to stay up. That's how I'm.

Speaker 2 Oh, 100%.

Speaker 1 Like, that's where I feel.

Speaker 2 Now I think,

Speaker 2 you know, now we, if I get on a plane and I see a white man, that dude better be in a polyamorous relationship. Okay.
I need that dude sucking dick. Okay.
I need

Speaker 2 I need something. I need if he's straight and he's a he's a stray white male.
That plane is falling, dude. That's what's going on.
Trump came in. He killed DEI every day.

Speaker 2 There's another fucking plane crash.

Speaker 1 But is it white dudes doing it?

Speaker 2 Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 I'm fucking around. It's not.
I'm not being serious.

Speaker 2 Even though Republicans do think that that is real, where they're like, oh, if there's a black woman pilot, that's why planes are falling.

Speaker 2 It's like, no, dumb ass it's because of fucking capitalism like they've they've literally undercut every aspect of production to make more money they constantly outsource they constantly send certain aspects of manufacturing to to other countries where there's like less regulation and less restrictions that makes them more money And that's why fucking planes are, you know, the doors are exploding and shit while they're flying.

Speaker 1 Is that one of the real reasons you think it's going on?

Speaker 2 That's 100% the reason why it's going on.

Speaker 1 Bring it up. See if we can, that's a good question.

Speaker 2 Why are, why because it there seems to be these little times in history where it's like okay for this year it's almost like they press a plane trouble button and it's like oh now there's plane trouble well that's also because uh you know minor incidents happen all the time right but the media hyper focuses on them when it becomes like a hot button topic that's what it is um and and there are obviously freak accidents as well like they all freak accidents happen but i think um

Speaker 2 there's never really like a like a perfect example, like a perfect demonstration of why these things are happening more frequently. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Let me see what this even says. No, there were actually more plane crashes between January 1st, 2024 and February 1st, 2024 when you compare the same time period this year to last year.

Speaker 1 So there were more crashes.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but the difference is the...

Speaker 2 The severity of like one big crash and then people hyper-focus on it. This happened with Palestine, Ohio.

Speaker 2 Remember when the train derailment happened? And everybody was like, why aren't they covering this? Well, you know,

Speaker 2 I'm a little bit of a foamer. I love trains.
Maybe it's because of the autism. But

Speaker 2 you know how many train derailments happening every year? Every single year, a thousand. Some of them are minor.
Some of them are major, right?

Speaker 2 So every single person hyper-focused on this, understandably, because like they try to do a shitty ass cover-up for it and be like, oh, no, everything is fine.

Speaker 1 And there was gas leaking. Yeah, there was death.

Speaker 2 Oh, you just feel itchy. It's normal.

Speaker 2 Just keep drinking the water. It's fine that it's green.
You know, shut up. But

Speaker 2 because of that, then everybody started focusing on all these derailments. And they were like, what the hell is going on? And it's like, there's a lot of that that happens all the time.

Speaker 2 It's just the media doesn't pay attention to it because if you paid attention to it all the time, you go crazy. It's like crime.
Right. Crime in big cities.
It's a constant. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, that is

Speaker 2 a buddy of mine was staying with me and he's from from like the suburbs of Portland, right? Just like a very white neighborhood. And I'm living, I live in the middle of West Hollywood.

Speaker 2 And, you know, LA is not like New York or whatever, but it's still a city, right?

Speaker 2 Every time he heard firecrackers or whatever, like fireworks or whatever, he would freak out. He's like, is that gunshots? I'm like, no, man, that's just fireworks.
Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 And then he would hear like, you know, ambulances or police sirens. And he'd freak out.
Because like, if you live in a suburb and and you hear police sirens, yeah, something crazy happened, right?

Speaker 2 But if you live in a city, you hear it all the time, it's background noise because you know there's always shit happening. There's tens of millions of people around.

Speaker 1 So how are you saying that relates to this?

Speaker 2 What I mean by that is if you pay attention to it with apps like Nextdoor and Citizen and Ring and all this stuff, you start realizing that like it's happening all the time and it makes you go crazy.

Speaker 2 Same with train derailments.

Speaker 2 same with plane uh you know plane crashes and whatnot they're a they're a normal part of this process and you got to look at the data and and try to figure out if this is like truly unique or not and in terms of the plane crashes uh the the deadly nature of some of them is unique uh there there have been some big ones right like with the ronald regan airport one but outside of that like you know minor bumps at the seattle airport or whatever like that's normal yeah a couple of them were it's like these planes almost hit you they would show you a video and I watched one of them two times.

Speaker 1 I'm like, I didn't, that should even look close to me.

Speaker 1 But they just label it that way. It's definitely kind of fascinating.
Then, once something happens, you start to hyper-focus on it more.

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Speaker 1 Would you consider yourself a Democrat? What do you consider yourself?

Speaker 2 No, I'm a leftist.

Speaker 2 That's what I say, where I'm very critical of both parties in general.

Speaker 2 I don't think that either party really represents my interests.

Speaker 2 Like, the Democrats sometimes will point to things that I care about, and they are, I guess, a little bit closer to the way I see the world than the Republicans are. But,

Speaker 2 you know, I'm actively critical of both parties. Yeah.
Because I don't care. I don't care about party affiliation.
I care about doing right by people.

Speaker 2 I care about, you know, helping, putting the interests of people over the interests of profits for corporations.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, I don't feel, I hate it when somebody tries to label like, oh, you're MAG or you're this type of thing. It's like that.
I've never wanted to be put in a box my whole life.

Speaker 1 I don't feel like there's enough parties really to represent the people.

Speaker 1 And I think the more information you get and learn, I think a lot of people start to feel that way. Like, I don't think this party really represents me, you know?

Speaker 1 But then there's such conglomerates of so many different little pieces that they almost feel like, well, I like this person in this one. I like this person on the chess team.
So or this rook.

Speaker 1 So I'm going to, they will get my vote because they have that player, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I think that that's, I think as more people get more information and able to look into things more that that kind of evolves.

Speaker 2 I think that

Speaker 2 there's one thing that transcends party boundaries. And I feel like you exhibit that tendency as well.
And that is dissatisfaction with the government and the two-party system anyway.

Speaker 2 And I think Trump also captured the attention of a lot of people by making it seem like he was totally outside of this dynamic where he was like, I'm an independent, I'm a billionaire rich.

Speaker 2 I don't give a fuck about either of these parties, you know, vote for me.

Speaker 2 And that's why you have a lot of people who love Bernie Sanders because he's earnest, he's honest, and it's obvious that he's not like, you know, a Democratic Party dick rider.

Speaker 2 And he has a long track record of like constantly doing right by others, constantly advocating for things that like, you know, help people, even if he doesn't have much success.

Speaker 2 uh that earnesty has i think

Speaker 2 created this this unique phenomenon of people that like bernie and also trump people like yourself uh who who think well these guys are anti-establishment yeah i think well i think one thing about trump was like and i i like fuck it made you believe

Speaker 1 Because people, most people knew him like from rap songs, probably from being like a rich white guy having rich guy hair and then from being

Speaker 2 on the apprentice right yeah which was a very you want to know pretty monumental how that all shaped out you want to know something crazy about the apprentice it was one of the most diverse shows on network television at the time it literally was one of the first shows that like prominently featured a bunch of black and brown people yeah in it a bunch of gay people in it too he was woke as hell that motherfucker was doing dei before anybody else now he switched up you see this he switched up yeah i remember he gave flavor Flava job

Speaker 1 working at an ice cream shop or something one day. I remember seeing that episode.
So yeah, I mean, he was

Speaker 1 like, I just thought there was a moment where it's like, oh, anybody, because you're right, he didn't seem like a political insider. He seemed like, you know, I think he's always been this,

Speaker 1 or notoriously, it seemed like he's just been this.

Speaker 1 kind of like real estate, shady real estate executive guy, which I think at a certain point, some people were like, oh, I'll take that.

Speaker 1 I'll take a ruthless business guy as our president because politics has become a ruthless business. But I think, yeah, I think there was a thing like, oh, anybody could be president, right?

Speaker 1 So that in a way felt a little bit like the American Dreamer, at least a little piece of like anybody, there was a feeling like, oh, he got it. There's, cause nobody thought he would win.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's true. So I think there was that comeback piece to him, right? Yeah.

Speaker 2 But then he was president for four years and people are like, oh, okay, maybe this wasn't so good. And then what did the Democrats do? And

Speaker 2 who did the Democrats put forth? They put forth a cadaver who was like, no, we're going back to business as usual, baby. And Americans were so fatigued by Donald Trump, but they were just like,

Speaker 2 I don't want to pay attention to the television anymore. Like, sure, I'll vote for this guy instead.
And then Brandon wins. And then everyone's like, oh, my God, things are awful.

Speaker 2 War is all over the place. Biden, you mean? Cost.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Biden. I just keep saying Brandon.
I'm sorry. I'm so used to.
I'm so used to calling him Brandon.

Speaker 1 Well, people say, let's go, Brandon, is like a Trump thing. Yeah, yeah.
But then I just don't want people to get confused.

Speaker 2 Yeah, my bad. So Biden comes in and, you know, wars everywhere, cost of living crisis.

Speaker 2 Like a lot of the resentment and anger that people felt in 2016 towards Hillary Clinton because their situation wasn't so great that caused them to vote for Donald Trump never, it was left unexamined.

Speaker 2 Like it was never recognized. It was never fixed.
Right.

Speaker 2 So when all this stuff piles on, people are resentful again. And lo and behold, they want to put that mallet.

Speaker 2 They want to bring the mallet back in to just like hammer the federal government because they're just like, we fucking hate this. We hate the way things are going.
So we'll give this guy a shot again.

Speaker 2 And that's how you arrive at Trump too. And now he is doing the mallet.
He's ripping over the administrative state. He's doing mass layoffs of the federal regulatory agencies.

Speaker 2 And it's crazy to me that people don't understand that, like, these are the same

Speaker 2 problems that have persisted that he's basically worsening

Speaker 2 by

Speaker 2 also,

Speaker 2 you know, removing tens of thousands of people that work for the federal government, but like decent paying jobs. I'm a big advocate for more government employees.

Speaker 2 I think we should have millions more, not less. Give everybody a fucking job.

Speaker 1 Oh, well, I think that we should have, I think women should get paid so that they can be at home with their children and that that way or or a man if one of them wants to work. Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 And then the other one can be at home to be a parent. You know, I wish that that was something that we did with our money.

Speaker 2 They would never do that, though. That's the problem.
They hate there was a case for it at one point.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I know, but I'm saying like Republicans, especially Democrats won't do either, because like both parties kind of like the austerity stuff.

Speaker 1 Like they what does austerity mean? Austerity is belt tightening.

Speaker 2 Like fiscal belt tightening is in, you know,

Speaker 2 lowering expenditures and cutting social safety nets, basically.

Speaker 1 Well, I think people are getting to their wits. And where it's like, nobody believes that either one of these parties is doing anything, right? I think you've had the same problems.

Speaker 1 You've had the same things happen time over time. And maybe some of it at a certain point you realize, well, that's just the cost of business.
It's just like, it's just become so bloated.

Speaker 1 It's become more about them, like you're saying, more about corporations and less about everyday people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, that's never what it is. Yeah, it's never been about people, in my opinion.
It's like

Speaker 2 New Deal with a lot of like socialist communist pressure at the time.

Speaker 2 FDR's New Deal. FDR's New Deal.

Speaker 2 FDR's New Deal definitely brought forth a lot of prosperity to America, like got us out of the muck of the Great Depression.

Speaker 1 The New Deal was a series of domestic programs. Sorry to interrupt you.

Speaker 1 I just want to was a series of domestic programs, public works projects, and financial reforms and regulations enacted by President FDR in the U.S. between 33 and 38

Speaker 1 in the 1900s with the aim of addressing the Great Depression, which began in 1929. Wow, dude.
So he had to be right on the back of the Great Depression. Yeah.
Because people always, they always,

Speaker 1 like, they'll quote him all the time, you know?

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 He, um, he did, he did a lot. Look, he dealt with the pressing bank crisis through the Emergency Banking Act, 1933 Banking Act, Federal Emergency Relief Administration.

Speaker 2 We set up Social Security. I mean, there's so much.
There's so much that they did in that era because Americans were,

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 they were experiencing tremendous, tremendous hardship.

Speaker 1 So you're saying a lot of this felt like it was done for the people.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it was done for the people because it was a necessary,

Speaker 2 it was, it was basically necessary for them to do this at the time because of all of the deregulation in the banking side with oil barons and all these like robber barons basically like picking apart and dominating everyday american existence and and the economic collapse that came with that and then someone had to come in and fix this shit and i think donald trump is is basically not doing the fdr thing but the reverse he's fucking it up and taking it back to like a pre-new deal era where and giving it more towards corporations you think oh 100 i mean he got he got elon musk right there he's the richest guy on the planet he's just putting his dick through his weird ugly egg-shaped penis through every single uh regulatory agency have people seen his penis?

Speaker 1 I haven't seen that. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't see that kind of stuff. Yeah,

Speaker 2 they were saying he's got a weird dick. I believe.
First of all, yeah,

Speaker 1 dude, if I'm Elon Musk, I'm definitely getting a crazy dick. I'm getting a fucking designer dick.
I'm getting a

Speaker 2 three-seater.

Speaker 1 I'll get a damn three-seater cop.

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're saying

Speaker 1 suicide doors on my d ⁇

Speaker 1 if I'm Elon Musk. But here's what I would say is to

Speaker 1 counter the thing about Elon is like, or just to discuss it really.

Speaker 1 I think think people are like, we don't give a fuck who's auditing this thing. And finally, there's like, oh, this is the person to audit.
This is the person that's going to audit.

Speaker 1 This is somebody we can blame if something fucks up. This is somebody that at least they're saying that they're going to audit the government.
Like,

Speaker 1 why, why do we even have to audit our own government?

Speaker 2 Well, we, we have, see, that's the problem. We already have an auditing agency.
So these guys unironically created an additional agency, which is redundant to eliminate redundancy.

Speaker 2 And that's interesting. The unfortunate side of this is that

Speaker 2 they don't know what the fuck they're doing. So they go in and they just like pull data and they basically make these public declarations about, you know, a billion dollars is going to this or that.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Like they straight up lied.
They were like, oh, yeah, we already cut like $200 billion of funds.

Speaker 2 And then like the New York Times and all these other like actual investigative reporters went in, looked at the data and they were like, dude, that's a lot.

Speaker 2 Like there's one instance where they claimed that they cut $8 billion

Speaker 2 and they actually cut $8 million.

Speaker 2 Like, how do you carry over so many goddamn zeros? They're just like, ah, fuck it. Who cares?

Speaker 2 No one will fact-check it. No one will look it up.

Speaker 1 Well, the crazy thing is, though, now you have

Speaker 2 whoever

Speaker 2 our original auditing system was.

Speaker 1 And then you have this second, and now we have this second auditing system. But, dude, it goes to like,

Speaker 1 it's so like, I'll have a, um,

Speaker 1 I'll have a financial, financial, like an investment banker, right?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 1 there's times, and I probably should, I want to hire somebody to audit my financial advisor. Cause I'm like, is this guy stealing money from me?

Speaker 1 You know, because you hear so many stories of people getting stolen from just like entertainment, different industries, whatever. But it starts to be like, I don't even know who to trust anymore.

Speaker 1 And I think that's where most people feel like it is. It's like, I don't know if most people necessarily feel like

Speaker 1 that Elon or Doge is the best, but it's like now it feels like, okay, well, there's a government system that's supposed to be doing this, and then there's a privatized system that's supposed to be doing this.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 2 who's the crook?

Speaker 1 Who knows? But then I think people look to Elon and they say, well, at least he came when he bought Twitter, which was a brave thing to do. It felt like it.

Speaker 1 It opened up more opportunity for free speech. Like things you couldn't share on there six years ago, you could share on there now.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying all that's true.

Speaker 2 It sucks now. I used to love Twitter.
Twitter's got a lot of

Speaker 2 title.

Speaker 2 It was already like kind of lame because like, yeah, when it was owned by liberals, it was like also, it also wasn't, you know, the most fun platform, I will say.

Speaker 2 But at least there was like some semblance of regulation where it didn't feel like, you know, it didn't feel like the

Speaker 2 madhouse that it is now where,

Speaker 2 I mean, I know that it's like my algorithm as well, I'm sure, because I'm in politics. So I see a lot of political shit.
But, bro, there's like, I mean, here, I saw this this morning.

Speaker 2 There's a guy who straight up said

Speaker 2 Adam Schiff raped a miner at Chateau Marmont, and it has 70,000 likes. And I'm like, what the fuck? It's like a QAnon thing.
I know.

Speaker 1 I saw that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's so many. No, it's not even this.
There was a dude who like...

Speaker 1 No, this is. That's not even Adam.
That is...

Speaker 2 That's fucking. If you look at...
No, no, that's not Anthony Bourdain. They're saying Anthony Bourdain saw him rape the miner, and that's why they actually killed Anthony Bourdain.

Speaker 2 That's their QAnon loves talking about how Anthony Bourdain saw like Hillary Clinton chop babies up or whatever, and he was right about to come out against them. But if you look up Truanon,

Speaker 2 Truanon actually, no, no, Truanon on Twitter.

Speaker 1 What is Truanon? Is it a cool source?

Speaker 2 Truanon is my friend's podcast. It's the number one anti-pedophilia podcast out there.

Speaker 2 No way.

Speaker 2 And then keep scrolling. They posted it.
Oh, here it is. Here it is.
Awakened Outlaw. That's the one.

Speaker 1 The witness is anonymous, anonymously.

Speaker 2 One of the most persistent QAnon believes is a huge number of people think that, you know, some of us remember when you raped a dead child. 76,000 likes.

Speaker 2 Damn. Bro, that's crazy.
Like, I fucking hate Adam Schiff.

Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah.
Trump's funniest thing is when he calls him Adam shit. Okay.
I hate him. He's my, he's my fucking congressperson.
He sucks. All right.
Massive pro-Israel guy. That's an insane thing.

Speaker 2 You, you are a fucking schizo. Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 1 But that's the crazy thing. Now, people will just, you see things and then you start to believe it.
Oh, dude, I realized Twitter starts to, like, it'll start to rot my mind.

Speaker 1 I'll start to get, and then it feeds you something. It's like, that's the scary, and that's another scary thing just about social media.
It's about where we're at. Things just feel so,

Speaker 1 you don't know what to, you'll open it up. You'll close it.
Now you're furious. All you were doing was looking for something in your phone.
Yeah. You're bored for 10 seconds.
You opened it up.

Speaker 1 Now you got two links to some shit. Now you're furious.
Now you close it. Now you're back in the grocery store where you were a minute ago.
You're on the fucking food aisle, but now you are

Speaker 1 angry. You're ape shit insane that a kid, a deceased kid somewhere, hypothetically got molested by a...

Speaker 2 By a sitting American represent like an American congressperson? Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then it's like you want to buy a pussy fart coin or whatever.

Speaker 2 And you're like, and then you don't even know what to do. Retardio.
Yes. It's like, oh, Retardio is going to the moon.

Speaker 1 And you have all these fucking clan members or whatever trying to sell, like, just, it just, it's gotten, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 But that's what I mean. Like, they, it was like, it was different crazy people.
But it was, it was definitely not whatever the fuck this is.

Speaker 2 And there's so much bottom of the barrel shit, too, because of the monetization stuff. Like, people,

Speaker 2 one of my favorite, funniest things that I experience all the time on Twitter is like, you got, like, you know, Genoa Radio or like saving the white race or we got to save the West accounts, right?

Speaker 2 Like, they have all these fucking accounts.

Speaker 2 Every single motherfucker on those accounts is from India. Every single motherfucker that does the we must preserve the white race, every single one of them is operating those accounts out of India.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 1 Because why, I wonder?

Speaker 2 What do you mean? Because you make like $10, $15. That goes a long way in India.

Speaker 2 As opposed to like a real racist in America.

Speaker 1 CEI at another level.

Speaker 2 They haven't heard about it. Yeah, they're using all of those accounts.
Like there's all of those big, prominent, like, you know,

Speaker 2 white culture accounts.

Speaker 1 Yeah, honky's shit. Honkies do it better or whatever.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know about the honkies one, but because honky seems like, you know, I don't think a dude in India knows what a honky is, but

Speaker 2 I'm talking like the

Speaker 2 culture critique, save the white race accounts, and all those, like, defend Europa accounts. Like, every single one of them is like, it's like a Malaysian dude.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And he's just like, yeah, I'm going to make $15 this month. That's a big, you know, that's good.
Save the white race.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's in there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And,

Speaker 2 you know, they post like the shittiest fucking videos as well.

Speaker 1 It's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 It's addictive. It's too much porn too.

Speaker 1 It's too much porn. It's too much porn because I'll be strong.
I'll be trying to take care of myself, doing decently. I'll just see something, an edge of a tit or something flies by.
It's just,

Speaker 1 and then it just is like, you can just get stuck pretty easy, jerking off or whatever.

Speaker 1 And then I get sad and then I get ashamed of myself. And then I just, and then I don't even sleep in my bed on nose.
Like, dude, on nights like that, I will sleep on the couch.

Speaker 1 It's almost like I don't even, it's like, damn. I know.
It's like I'm a, it's like I'm divorced in my own fucking, and I just live alone.

Speaker 2 It's like, bro, that's you. Like, it's almost like I'm a husband that got caught jerking off.

Speaker 1 So now you're sleeping out on the couch.

Speaker 2 You got to resolve that, man. There's nothing wrong with jerking off, especially before you go to sleep.
You know, it's like a nightcap.

Speaker 1 Yeah, kind of. But if you got so many nightcaps over like 20, 30 years, you're like, oh, I'm fucking, I'm an alcoholic at this point.

Speaker 2 You know, I don't know. I mean, I've never,

Speaker 2 I feel like, I feel like there's a time and place for that in my

Speaker 2 regimen, You know what I mean? It's like

Speaker 2 right before I go to sleep. It's the perfect time to do it.
There's never been a moment where I'm like in the middle of the day, I'm like, yeah, I've never been that guy. Shit, I got to crank it.

Speaker 2 But I feel like a lot of those porn addiction guys are like that. So I'm like, yeah.

Speaker 2 It's not for me, but maybe you should stop porn. That's how I feel when I hear about some of their stories.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I had a buddy who had curtains put inside of his car and he would go and close them up so he could sit in his car and masturbate without feeling like

Speaker 1 people were going to point at him or whatever.

Speaker 2 What the

Speaker 2 yo, that dude needs to be institutionalized. What do you mean?

Speaker 2 No, put a fucking straight jacket on that motherfucker. Stop.

Speaker 2 He's got to be put in a room like train spotting. Like he's got to quit cold turkey, like he's quitting heroin.

Speaker 1 In Soho, that's considered off-Broadway.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, no way, dude. No, render him immobile for like a week.

Speaker 2 Oh my God,

Speaker 2 the amount of energy that he probably has in there, trapped in there, if he doesn't jerk off for a week, week, he's going to start levitating. He's going to come out of there like

Speaker 2 a god.

Speaker 1 His carl to start running on his own

Speaker 1 on his own semen or whatever. I shouldn't have said that part.

Speaker 1 You had Bernie Sanders on your show. I did, yeah.
Pretty cool, man. How awesome was that?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's the man. I love Bernie.

Speaker 1 Did you find it interesting that people cheered so much against him when they said that he also took money during like, remember that a couple of months ago?

Speaker 1 Not a judgment against him. I think all these people,

Speaker 1 I think when you get into politics, right, it's almost like being in a big family. And if you want something done, it feels like you have to, there's, it's almost just like...

Speaker 2 He took money from what, though?

Speaker 1 Well, what did they say that he took money from? Who?

Speaker 2 Oh, RFK said. Who said that? That was

Speaker 1 during that. During when he was interviewing RFK.

Speaker 2 During RFK's hearing that Bernie was taking money from Robin. Yeah,

Speaker 2 that's not correct. He never got money from the pharmaceutical industry, like from the big corporate lobbyists.
He probably got...

Speaker 2 So the way this works on Open Secrets is like.

Speaker 1 And let me just read it.

Speaker 1 Just so I can clear it.

Speaker 1 the figure cited by Kennedy referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay. Oh, because Kennedy said that he, that Bernie Sanders got a certain amount of money.
Yeah. And this is just a clip.
This is, this is actually a perfect example of what we've been talking about.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Where you see a clip of something, right?

Speaker 1 In 2020, this was the claim. Senator Bernie Sanders was the single largest receiver of pharmaceutical money in Congress.

Speaker 1 And the context was this figure cited by RFK Jr. referred to the industry in which individual donors were employed.
It did not refer to funds originating from or directed by pharmaceutical companies.

Speaker 2 So what that is, is

Speaker 2 the way that when you make a donation to a politician as an individual, it gets filed with the FEC, right?

Speaker 2 And in that filing, you write what your job is, right?

Speaker 2 And if you work in the pharmaceutical industry, if you work for Johnson and Johnson as a janitor, that basically gets tracked as like Johnson and Johnson

Speaker 2 in the

Speaker 2 section of like whichever sector you're a part of. So like

Speaker 2 a lot of nurses gave donations to Bernie Sanders. So that's like technically still lobbed under like healthcare.
And

Speaker 2 it was not, yeah,

Speaker 2 it was never from like the executives. It wasn't like executives giving him millions of dollars.

Speaker 2 It's like the fucking janitor works there or like, you know, like an accountant that works for this company.

Speaker 1 But it gets filed so that it looks like that in some sort of.

Speaker 2 Well, they just, it's good to have like

Speaker 2 knowing what sectors are donating. But yeah, there is room for nuance of course there

Speaker 2 and um and rfk was falsely claiming that he was getting money from like ceos and like the industry uh industry packs or whatever when that wasn't the case it was just like random people that work for these companies you know yeah i think it makes i mean it totally makes sense to me that that's the way that it could happen you know yeah um but it's so funny rfk probably saw a clip or has heard you know it's just like it's so it's like i think rfk knows better i i don't i don't trust any of these guys I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 2 Like, whether it's RFK, Trump, or any number of these people or, you know, Democrats as well, like Kamala Harris, like, I think RFK definitely knows better.

Speaker 2 He's just saying that because it's a good line and people will believe him. Yeah.
And I mean, look, that's how it works.

Speaker 2 I know because like Joe Rogan talked about it too, where they were talking about like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders getting money from like these, you know, big pharmaceutical corporations.

Speaker 2 That wasn't the case, but it got a lot of mileage on that side of the internet. That's the other thing that I am frustrated by, where there's like no consensus on this stuff anymore.

Speaker 1 Like, what does a consensus mean? Like, we all agree on one thing, yeah.

Speaker 2 And you don't have to agree on one, like, not everybody has to get together and agree on the same thing, but like, there's no, there's no established truth anymore where everybody's just like operating on whatever the fuck they think is the is the truth and and heavily leaning into their biases.

Speaker 2 And I feel like the internet has become way more echo-chambered in that regard, and it's very frustrating to see, you know?

Speaker 1 there's no, there's no,

Speaker 1 what do you say? Con

Speaker 1 consensus? Consensus. So there's no like regional place you can go to, except now almost your own gut, or if you're influenced by clips or whatever, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, but we're dumbasses. You know what I mean? Like we're, we're fucking stupid.
I'm stupid. Like I can't gut check everything.

Speaker 1 Like, I can't even fucking keep up with you, dude.

Speaker 2 So I can feel you.

Speaker 1 But what I'm saying is, is that better than us all being under the influence of some consensus? I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just looking at it, right?

Speaker 2 I think it's good to have a healthy diet of both, right? Like you still need to have trusted resources that you can go to and rely on that will every now and then be like, that's wrong.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? And I try to urge people to not get their media diet exclusively from me either for that reason. And even my media diet itself is incredibly diverse.

Speaker 2 I probably watch more Fox News than I watch like CNN and shit, partially because they're more entertaining.

Speaker 2 But,

Speaker 2 you know, I look at everything

Speaker 2 so that I can develop a better understanding of like what people are saying and what people are believing in general.

Speaker 1 I need to do a better job of that, I think, of finding my information diet. Yeah.
And just where does it come from?

Speaker 1 I just don't get enough of it a lot of times. A lot of times I operate mostly just like on my own feelings kind of, which is in the end, kind of your instincts or whatever.

Speaker 1 But then I start to notice that things that I get influenced by and like my own algorithm and things. It's like, oh, I'm fucking getting influenced.

Speaker 1 You know, I'm up last night in the middle of the night and it's it's like, have I

Speaker 1 reposted too many TikToks about Gaza? You know, and I'm up for 40 minutes last night, laying in my bed, and my brain's calculating, but shit like that.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, but it's just because I'll get to my, you know, it's like, none of it's bad stuff, really, but it's, um, I'll notice if I get on my Twitter thing, especially, I'll get angry.

Speaker 1 I get,

Speaker 1 and then I'm like, if I'm at least aware of this is happening, people that aren't aware, that aren't even thinking like, oh, this is affecting me, they're just being affected. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Then it's like, man.

Speaker 2 The way I see my goal, like the way I see my job is to basically get people to understand why they're angry and then get angry at the appropriate vectors, like where who's actually causing harm in their immediate lives.

Speaker 2 That's why I actively urge people to unionize and work to organize in their communities and organize

Speaker 2 in their workplaces in general. So they have a network of support with like, not necessarily even like-minded people, but like people that have the same interests, right?

Speaker 2 You don't have to like your coworkers all that much but no matter what your boss is still you over in the exact same way right he wants you to work the most amount of hours for the least amount of pay you want to work the least amount of hours for the most amount of pay this is a contradiction right so how do you resolve that the only way to to overcome the unlimited amount of

Speaker 2 power that your boss has over you is by getting together and being like, hey, man, you got to give us a better contract. Right.

Speaker 2 Like, those are the things that I advocate for so that people develop a better understanding of who's actually harming them and maybe

Speaker 2 improve their lives immediately in the short term and then build on that momentum.

Speaker 1 With that said, do you think we should have like a higher minimum wage? You feel like?

Speaker 2 I mean, I think that's one part of this story, but

Speaker 1 I've thought about it a lot. I've listened to people talk about it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I think it's good, but that's still a band-aid solution. I think like there needs to be more labor-backed control in general.
Like unions and stuff? Yeah, labor unions. Yeah.

Speaker 2 We have a 10% union participation rate in this country is lower than other countries that we fucked up, like Chile.

Speaker 2 We fucked up Chile. We did a coup there.
We set up a dictatorship.

Speaker 1 And they still are able to unionize the public.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and we rewrote their constitution.

Speaker 2 And they still have a higher union participation rate than we do. They have 15% in Chile.
We have 10%.

Speaker 1 Do you say, because

Speaker 1 we had the Teamsters president of one one of the Teamsters union presidents on.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, you're Sean O'Brien? Yeah. He was interested.

Speaker 2 I've interviewed him before. I've had some combos on him.
He has a podcast now. Oh, he does? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I didn't know that. I saw him at the inauguration.
It's just interesting to, I'd never talked to a Teamsters union president. I've heard of the Teamsters.

Speaker 1 You know, I've watched newsies or whatever, like when I was a kid a bunch.

Speaker 1 But it was just interesting to see that.

Speaker 1 you know, to learn about unions and see how they work. And then some people are like, well, once you get unionized, it's hard to, you don't have as much individuality.

Speaker 1 So if I'm super hard worker, I'm self-motivated, then maybe I don't want to be a part of the union, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 But I could see that as a safety net for people to have a union against corporations. Like,

Speaker 1 yeah, to me, it makes perfect sense.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, otherwise they're going to clean out your pockets.

Speaker 2 They're going to, that's, look, every union, uh, every union member will tell you like the, the motto for unions is united, we bargain, divided, we beg, right?

Speaker 2 You can either go and be like, I'm such a good guy.

Speaker 2 Please, like look at how hard i'm working and then in the off chance maybe get recognized by your boss and maybe get a little bit extra money on the side or you can get together with your you know you can get together and and engage in the act of collective bargaining and force the company's hand into offering you better benefits and basically claw back the profits that you're generating for them because without the workforce you got nothing right what do you think the fucking ceo is going to build the table no you know what i mean he doesn't know the first thing about building tables right it's just gonna to, all, all it's going to be is, is a bunch of wood on the factory floor without you, right?

Speaker 2 Workers are the ones who add the value, who generate the value.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Bernie has a good, um, Bernie had a good thing about that. He said that, well, if we're going to shorten people's work weeks, right?

Speaker 1 He, well, he, he was talking about having a shorter work week. Yeah.
And then that since companies' profits are going up, then the employees, the amount that they should make should go up.

Speaker 1 It's like, it shouldn't just be the company at the top that has the increase.

Speaker 2 Yeah. So, I mean, AI is a perfect example of this, right? Like it's very disruptive to the, to the environment.
I don't like that.

Speaker 2 But more importantly, also on top of that, it's, it's used as a way to displace the existing labor force, right?

Speaker 2 Um, because now you can just get the machine to do the job of the person that was doing the job beforehand.

Speaker 2 I'm an advocate that, like, No, you should still keep that person employed, pay him the same amount of money, make him work less. Why? I mean, why are you firing this person now?

Speaker 2 Because AI is a tool, right?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 the way that companies work under capitalism is whenever there's a technological advancement like this, right? This has allowed us to be on 24-7.

Speaker 2 Now you can have so much more output as a worker, right?

Speaker 2 You can be online at all times. Productivity rises in that process.
Your boss can get a hold of you at all times. Yeah, your boss can get a hold of you at all times.
You're more tapped in.

Speaker 2 You're more aware of what's going on in the world. And

Speaker 2 you can be a better worker because of that. But in that process, bosses look at that and go, okay, now I can make one guy do the work of five.

Speaker 2 I'm going to fire four fucking people and I'm going to make the one guy do the work of the other four people. And

Speaker 2 that is how

Speaker 2 that is under capitalism, that's how it works, where they use technological advancements. that increase productivity to displace the existing labor force, to just basically fire them.

Speaker 2 And instead of lowering the hours that the existing workforce worked and maybe even increasing their pay in the process, because they're still doing the same work. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And because they're fucking human beings. Like that's why

Speaker 1 at a certain point, it has to tip towards an actual revolution where people pick up. And I don't know if we can say this or not, but I'm

Speaker 2 calling me radical for that. Really?

Speaker 1 I'm a big revolution guy. I've always had little dreams of like semi-revolutions or like regional or whatever.
At least, I hope at least I can make it to the regional revolution.

Speaker 1 Like I understand if I don't make it to the national one, but I want to be on a horseback or at least on a fucking standing next to a count or one of the

Speaker 1 one of our

Speaker 1 bosses or whatever.

Speaker 2 Like I want

Speaker 2 why? See, that's because that is fucking overthrowing the system. I know, but think about the way you presented that.
You want a count or a boss to be the leader of the revolution.

Speaker 2 Somebody's going to have to have some sort of fundamental. I agree, but it should be people back revolution.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, people, but one of us gets mildly elected or something.

Speaker 2 But not a boss or a fucking politician those guys or a count is gonna be it's gonna be a an organizer an activist someone with a someone with a background uh someone who understands the needs of the people it's gonna be somebody also who works at a renaissance fair full-time who can be on a horseback who can handle the type of

Speaker 1 when you think about it i'm not even joking on it's kind of crazy but you will need a dude who is fucking i mean i am willing to ride through here with a spear but yeah i at a certain point if you let so many people go just to appease a company, to appease corporations, you're just going to have more, those people have to, at some point, there has to be a revolution.

Speaker 1 Isn't that how revolutions happen?

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, when conditions worsen to a certain degree, yeah, people go, all right, enough is enough.
We're backed into a corner. And they start recognizing that like they're being fucked over.

Speaker 2 But that can also lead to a dangerous path where, you know. Tell me about that.

Speaker 2 Well, the dangerous part about that is like if they're, if the people are not steered in the right direction to recognize who's actually doing the harm to them, they can be deluded by misinformation and think it's the Jews or think it's

Speaker 2 fucking Anthony Bourdain. Or yeah, I think it's Adam Schiff

Speaker 2 who's apparently having sex with dead children in their minds or think it's like the Guatemalan immigrant. You know what I mean? That motherfucker is not controlling your life.

Speaker 2 He is worse off than you and he has the exact same interests as you. He just wants to put food in his belly and to have a roof over over his head.

Speaker 1 Are you talking about Guatemalans that came over the border and stuff?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. Like a Guatemalan immigrant or a Honduran immigrant is not like, he's not dominating your life at all.
They're not here to do evil. They're not here to do bad.

Speaker 2 They're here to just like work. They fucking pick strawberries all goddamn day.
So our asses can eat those strawberries cheap as hell. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And then we turn around and we're like, yeah, they're all rapists, drug dealers, murderers. We got to fucking purge the country of these people.
And it's like, it's really fucked up.

Speaker 1 How would you,

Speaker 1 how do you successfully do something like that then? Because I think a lot of people's concern. Well, I think here's what happens is you're like, I'm not safe anymore, right?

Speaker 1 And you start to feel, right, there's people that get, that, that were raped or killed. There was a couple of instances where they that they put them on the news, right?

Speaker 1 They were on the congressional, you know, they had some of the.

Speaker 2 Trump had them at the

Speaker 2 victims, at the congressional, joint congressional hearing.

Speaker 1 Right. So I think you hear about those things and you're like, well,

Speaker 1 yeah, you start to, you'll start to apply them to everyone.

Speaker 2 Which is crazy. Think about that.
We say there's 20 million undocumented migrants in this country. They come from every part of the planet.

Speaker 2 And the thing that they're all, and to think that they're all one collective hive mind that's here to do like evil rapes and shit is psychotic.

Speaker 2 I'm like, bro, like they don't even speak each other's language. Like, what are you talking about? Like, they have no unified hive mind here, but you, you basically learn to think that way.

Speaker 2 You learn to hate in that regard. And I think the media plays a big role in this, like right-wing media specifically.

Speaker 1 Is it hate, hate though, you think? Because it's like, I just fear. Okay.
So I, because to me, it's like, have a fucking organized system.

Speaker 1 If I go to a, dude, I go to, I went to Canada a couple days ago. It was heck.
It was heck getting in and out of there. It's heck getting out of there.
It's super organized.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, but we should, it just, because here's the thing. If you don't know who's in your country, then you can't do a correct census.
You can't allocate things correctly to people.

Speaker 1 You can't know who needs what in certain areas.

Speaker 2 That's why they also factor undocumented migrants into the census as well.

Speaker 2 But if they're fearful of the federal government, if they're fearful of the federal government, they're not going to open the door for a census guy.

Speaker 2 That's part of the reason why Sanctuary Cities began to begin with. It was actually advocated for, this is something that this is old lore.

Speaker 2 People don't even know this at this point because everybody thinks like, oh, sanctuary cities is woke, lip-tart bullshit.

Speaker 2 Bro, it was the fucking cops and the FBI that was advocating for sanctuary cities. Why?

Speaker 2 Because whenever a murder or some kind of like violence happened in an undocumented neighborhood, cops would come in and nobody would talk to them. So they were like

Speaker 2 warm time.

Speaker 1 We can hear it. That's important.
I never knew it.

Speaker 2 Sanctuary cities initially were proposed by law enforcement because.

Speaker 2 They realized that whenever there was violence or like, you know, drug dealing or a murder that took place in an area where the witnesses were undocumented migrants, they wouldn't talk to the cops because they were fearful that if they talked to the cops, they were going to get fucking deported.

Speaker 2 So in order to open up more collaboration and actually solve crimes like rape murder and all these other like violent crimes they were like we have to tell every undocumented American like we're not going to arrest you we're not going to collaborate with ICE or INS at the time before ICE existed

Speaker 2 we are we're just here to serve you as public servants and that was the reason why it was law enforcement that initially suggested sanctuary cities it wasn't like woke activists or whatever

Speaker 2 and it's so interesting that like now Republicans say it use that as a catch-all term to be like, oh,

Speaker 2 you're letting criminals go, basically.

Speaker 2 That's what they make it seem like. That's what they imply.

Speaker 1 Bring that up. How did sanctuary cities get started? That's fascinating, man.
Sanctuary City policies were not originally proposed by law enforcement.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 they've come to support them for public safety reasons.

Speaker 2 In the 1980s, when churches in the United States provided refuge for individuals escaping civil unrest in El Salvador, Sanctuary City specifically emerged from protests against federal immigration policies that denied asylum to refugees.

Speaker 2 However, many law enforcement enforcement officials, including police chiefs, have advocated for sanctuary policies.

Speaker 2 They argue that these policies

Speaker 1 and local law enforcement. This trust is crucial for encouraging immigrants to report crimes and cooperate with police investigations.

Speaker 1 Sanctuary policies allow police to focus on local priorities and prevent crimes.

Speaker 2 Wow, that's interesting, man.

Speaker 1 I wonder though.

Speaker 1 What's that? I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 What is the AI search engine or some shit? What is this? Yeah, this is perplexity, but they have all the

Speaker 2 sources cited. All right.

Speaker 1 I think it's interesting then, though, I wonder how many cities then jumped on it as a, even on the Democratic side to say like,

Speaker 1 or left side, whatever you want to call it, but like to say, oh, I better be a part of this now if I want my voters to then vote for me. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like, so sometimes like the political kickball gets created one way, but it also gets used in a field in another way.

Speaker 2 Well, it's not

Speaker 2 saying what is right or what is wrong.

Speaker 2 Like, cause I'm, I'm a, I'm an active amnesty advocate. Like, I think if,

Speaker 2 first of all, this is a civil offense. Like

Speaker 2 crossing the border is a civil offense. Right.
Right. And you have a five-year period where if you haven't done any crimes, like the statute of limitation is over.
Now, there's different legal,

Speaker 2 there are different legal interpretations of this and people go back and forth on it. But like the way I think about it is like, if a dude is in here and they're working, right?

Speaker 2 And they're not trying to do a, you know, they're not here to do evil shit. They're here to just simply work.
Give him fucking, give him documentation.

Speaker 2 The difference between an undocumented migrant and a documented one is just a piece of paper, is paperwork. Process these people and allow them to contribute to our coffers

Speaker 2 in more meaningful ways because they already pay taxes, but they could be paying more taxes as well.

Speaker 1 They don't pay taxes if they're undocumented. Yeah.
Because

Speaker 2 I think they still pay into social security because they have to get a social security number, some sort of social security number. They pay for sales taxes, things of that nature.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like there's a bunch of different contributions that they make, and they can't take advantage of any of the

Speaker 2 government programs anyway. That's why a lot of Republicans lie.
They'll be like, oh, undocumented migrants are like stealing our, you know, our social safety nets. And

Speaker 2 I'm over here like, what the fuck? What social safety nets do we have? What are they?

Speaker 2 We don't have health care. Like, what are they? Are they taking advantage of health care that we don't have? They don't have health care.

Speaker 2 The thing is,

Speaker 2 they will, Republicans will literally factor in in their natural born U.S. citizen children into the equation to be like, see, they're sending their children to public schools.

Speaker 2 It's like, bro, that's an American citizen.

Speaker 1 Right. The child is an American citizen.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. One in 15 households in this country is a mixed status household.
One in 15.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. You can't even, I mean, you fucking, everybody's mixed now, it feels like.

Speaker 2 Mixed status, like as in one parent is

Speaker 2 undocumented, like a non-citizen. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. So.

Speaker 1 It's probably Mexican a lot of times, I would bet.

Speaker 1 And that's just even my Mexican friends are always like, you know, my uncle's in the back or whatever they'll say, you know, and I don't say anything.

Speaker 1 But it's like, I, you know, I think it's interesting. It's interesting, like what things get,

Speaker 1 how things get framed, right?

Speaker 1 By the media, how things get used, how things like even programs like Sanctuary City, how does it then get manipulated?

Speaker 1 Um and used as like a negative thing or is a thing where one party feels like, well, I better declare as this or I'm going to be out of the money, whatever the next thing is. Like,

Speaker 2 yeah, I mean, there's definitely an incentive structure among politicians to advocate for certain things, but ultimately, I don't really care what the incentive structure is.

Speaker 2 If the, if the legislation is good, if it's a good thing, if Trump were to do a good thing, I would advocate for it as well. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Do you think that's true? Because it seems like...

Speaker 2 I have. In the past,

Speaker 2 when Trump, last time he was president, when he basically said, I'm going to back away from this North Korea, South Korea shit, and I'm going to let you guys handle it on your own.

Speaker 2 And in the process, he actually reduced the military campaigns that were taking place around the Korean peninsula to allow these two countries to talk to one another.

Speaker 2 It's one country, technically, that we fucking cut in half, but that's a long history lesson.

Speaker 1 I'm not going to get into it. North Korea and South Korea.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 And that was an objectively good thing. Like I said it at the time.
I was like, and Rachel Maddow was very mad. He was like, oh, you're doing this because you love Vladimir Putin or whatever the fuck.

Speaker 2 But like, no, that was not a bad thing. Like, let these guys hash it out and

Speaker 2 let them rebuild their nation. You know, why the fuck are we, like, why do we have, you know, 80,000 to 100,000 troops stationed all the time? You know? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 yeah, it feels alarming. It feels like you have to have this military thing.
I think one thing that I noticed last night was like,

Speaker 1 The military has had a tough time getting recruits, right? Yeah. Recruits, recruitment has been down.
Yeah. And so part of me always wonders, well, like,

Speaker 1 are the, did the powers it be then want Republicans to be in office? Because they know that eventually, if people are believing more in their country again, it will incite more recruitments.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying that that's the truth, but you just start to wonder what the fuck is real.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you what made recruitment numbers explode.

Speaker 1 Does that make sense to you, though?

Speaker 2 I mean, I know where you're coming from, but what made recruitment numbers explode initially was 9-11. That's it.
People joined after 9-11. And after 20 years of just like going out there and

Speaker 2 guarding,

Speaker 2 guarding like poppy fields and getting your dick blown off by some fucking dude who's hated you because you invaded his country when he was like 14 and probably killed his cousin,

Speaker 2 you know, after 20 years of doing that, everyone was like, oh, this shit sucks. We kind of lost it here, huh? Like we did a Vietnam in Afghanistan and we had to pull out.

Speaker 2 So, and that was a good thing, objectively. I think it's good that we pulled out of Afghanistan.
But

Speaker 2 I think that's the real reason why people are like, why the fuck would I join the military? I can't even get a fucking charger anymore. You know, they

Speaker 1 Dodge Chargers?

Speaker 2 The Dodge Chargers or was it the Camaro?

Speaker 1 Were they giving those out?

Speaker 2 That's the common military car. Oh, and

Speaker 2 you sign off on one of those. The worst loan of all time.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, dude.

Speaker 2 And then your high school sweetheart is fucking the neighbor while you're out there.

Speaker 1 Sometimes, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 While you're out there jerking off in a fucking bunker and correcting jerking off on you or whatever, and you guys are changing each other's names after 8 p.m. or whatever, and shit.

Speaker 1 I think shit gets pretty melodic out there.

Speaker 2 That's what I mean. You're like, why the fuck are you doing that? And then you come back and the American government's like, all right, we'll give you healthcare, but now you're busted.

Speaker 2 You need it desperately. And they're like, all right, we'll pay for your college.
Okay. You go to college.

Speaker 2 You get a communications degree. Now you're, you know, six years behind the rest of your

Speaker 2 counterparts, and you're in the same shit-ass job market working, sucking the man's dick every day, working a dead-end job that you despise. Yeah, or you baby, and you're fucked up.

Speaker 2 And now every time you, you know, go to the grocery store to pick out cereal, you're having a crisis, like a mental health episode. It's fucked up.

Speaker 1 Well, a lot of people will also go into the military, learn some patterns that help them to achieve well. My buddy Josh was in for a while.

Speaker 1 He got out and now he's able to be a good business owner because he learned, you know, he got up in the morning. You know, it just, it helped him have some regimen.
Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 2 I don't think that regimen is bad. I'm a very regimented person.
I just think that the military's output overall is,

Speaker 2 you know, you're just sending poor people from different parts of the country overseas to go dominate some other poor people so that rich people in fucking California can make more money, so the Raytheon can send more missiles and make more missiles.

Speaker 2 And you got to use those missiles when you make them, you know? If you don't use it, you lose it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Oh, your missiles are going.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Somebody said there was an email one time that like, oh, your missiles are expiring soon. You should use them.
It's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 But they do that. They, they, any, uh, if you got homies who were active duty, they'll tell you, like, you just dump so much money because they know that, like, it's going to go bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Like, you just fucking shoot it out into the sea.

Speaker 1 If you're in the Navy, you're just like, you got to pop that bitch off. Get out there.
After lunch today,

Speaker 1 we're going to fire a couple of these off at a time. And that's your

Speaker 2 island. You're like, that's an island.

Speaker 1 Like, nobody's there.

Speaker 2 Yeah. You're dumping payload into an island that is more than your salary times 10 because it's going to go bad.
How is that not waste and fraud and abuse? Why the fuck are they not working on that?

Speaker 2 My argument always is this. The American military is a jobs program.
That's what it is. It's the, I think it's the second largest hiring body in the country after Walmart, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 It might be the largest. And I think instead of making those guys, you know, making these corn-fed boys from Arkansas go out and,

Speaker 2 you know, force them to eat MREs all goddamn day and be constipated for a fucking week, make them build shit. You know, make them build shit in America.
It's a jobs program. Who cares?

Speaker 2 Make the output be good rather than bad. That is what my argument is.

Speaker 1 The world's biggest employer is the Ministry of of Defense, U.S. Department of Defense.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah, the Indian Ministry of Defense is the largest, and then the world's second largest employer. All right, I guess the U.S.
Department of Defense is bigger than Walmart.

Speaker 1 Walmart and Amazon. No, man, that's a great point.
I think, and maybe, and, you know, I wish I knew more of what some of those groups did a lot of times.

Speaker 1 What, the military? Yeah, but I agree with you. It's like, I agree the fact that why are...

Speaker 1 Why does the voter, why does the gun carrier, the water carrier, you're always at this. It's a caste system, system, really, in a lot of ways.

Speaker 1 Those are the people having to do the bidding of these elites, you know, of these countries and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 But then at a certain point, it's like, do I decide this is my, what, what, what integrity or what do I want to have inside of myself when I'm doing that?

Speaker 1 I could be all day like, fuck, I don't want to be doing this. This country is a piece of shit or whatever.
Or I can have pride in what I'm doing no matter what and the spot that I'm existing in

Speaker 1 in this sort of strata, right? And I stand up for my country. And it's just, you know, as we get more information, it's just, it's fascinating how things change.

Speaker 2 I just want, like, I, or how things you learn more. I don't hate people.
I just want them to have better lives. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 Even people that I disagree with vehemently, like, I always stress this point where I say Medicare for all means for everybody, right? Even if you're a fucking Nazi, you're going to get healthcare.

Speaker 2 Even if you don't want healthcare, I'm going to fucking give you that health care. I don't give a shit.
Okay. You can cry about it all day, every day.

Speaker 2 It's just, and I think think that's the attitude that other people are supposed to have in this process, too. Like, there's got to be a universality to these proposals because, like,

Speaker 2 I think we got to do right by others, and we are not doing that right now. The American government is not doing that

Speaker 2 at every step of the process. And that's why the military is a great example of this.

Speaker 2 You know, we're just using and abusing these dudes and making them do a whole lot of awful shit overseas so that some rich asshole can make more money, you know?

Speaker 2 And then they're broken in that process. They come back.
There's no, there's no way of like repairing them. And we basically lie to them too.
We're like, oh yeah, you'll get a, you'll get a great job.

Speaker 2 You'll go to college. You'll be able to uplift yourself.
And it's like, that should be available without you having to serve in the military. Yeah.

Speaker 2 But if that was available, if free college existed, if free healthcare existed,

Speaker 2 and no fucking buddy is going to the military, why the fuck would you do that?

Speaker 1 Unless you had some real gunners, unless you had some cool call of duty verdance modern warfare dogs but i mean yeah those guys are but i'm saying you would still have some yeah you would but but i agree it wouldn't be this significantly lower it wouldn't be this um system that gets kind of manipulated and used um that's why they don't want to fix it though that's why they don't want to fix

Speaker 1 but that's why there's they don't want to fix so many things like that and that's what i'm saying we learn more as we learn more about it you start to see some of the clarity or or some of you learn more you have more information but then how do i operate still when i I have that more information?

Speaker 1 Like, do I, you know, it's tough because if I become a nihilist or, you know, so then I'm miserable.

Speaker 1 My day-to-day is miserable, you know. And I'm not disagreeing with you.
I'm just saying it's how do we manage in those spaces as we learn more?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't know. I'm fairly tapped into all of the shortcomings of the American government.
And yet I enjoy myself. I mean,

Speaker 2 I still jerk off before I go to sleep. I still watch anime.
I play basketball. I focus on myself.
I think like there are certain things that you have control over, and that is your own body, right?

Speaker 2 Your immediate friends and your family. And you should actively work on those things

Speaker 2 to basically not lose sight. of your own humanity because it's easy to get lost in the sauce,

Speaker 2 in the everyday cruelty that you recognize is happening all around. And it makes you go crazy.

Speaker 2 And in order to combat that, I always urge people to engage in self-improvement, set goals for yourself and try to achieve them. That's at least how I've always managed this stuff.

Speaker 2 And also being around other people who aren't immediately

Speaker 2 agreeing to your worldview. Like I, I love parks for that reason.
I love third spaces. No, not like parks and recreation as in like the TV show.
I mean like literal public parks.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 There's a fucking, there's a band, or not a band, there's some homeless guys stole, I guess, a band's high school equipment during COVID over by the, there's a park behind my apartment.

Speaker 1 And you could hear them sometimes practicing in like 3 or 4 a.m.

Speaker 1 They'd get a couple of dudes tuned up in a tent or whatever. And you could hear them.

Speaker 1 What song were they playing for a while? Oh.

Speaker 1 Love the way you lie.

Speaker 2 Just going to stand there and watch you burn.

Speaker 1 I don't know what instruments they had, but it was pretty cool. You know, they got a hold of the sheep music and everything, you know, but it's like, yeah, just making the most of where you're at.

Speaker 1 And also our military is there, like, it keeps us safe. If there's flooding, if they're, they do a ton of stuff.

Speaker 2 Yeah, the Army Corps of Engineers, like I interviewed a guy.

Speaker 1 I don't want people to feel like their lives are in vain.

Speaker 2 No, no.

Speaker 1 I admire people that go and are willing to put their years of lives in.

Speaker 2 Trump is firing those guys too, by the way, right now. Like the Army Corps Engineers is like what you just described.

Speaker 2 When there's a flooding happening, like they build the levees, they build the bridges, right? Trump literally is firing those people too. It's crazy.
Why is he doing it?

Speaker 2 Is he because he hates the Army Corps engineers? No, because he doesn't give a shit. That's my point.
He doesn't care. He's like, Yeah, go, Elon, do whatever you need to do.

Speaker 2 Fire these probationary employees. Nobody knows what probationary means.
So they think, like, oh, you know, it's good. It's good that we're like downsizing a little bit.

Speaker 2 It's like, no, dude, you're going to start slowly but surely, five years down the line, noticing, you're going to start noticing that things are just not working.

Speaker 2 Like air traffic control is a great example of this since the Reagan era.

Speaker 2 Like the numbers of air traffic controls,

Speaker 2 controllers, even though air traffic has increased, the number of air traffic controllers have not kept up with the increase of air traffic. So you got towers where there's like one dude.

Speaker 2 There's got to be like 30 dudes in that tower. I don't want the fucking plane.
I don't want planes to crash. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 Or probably more of them have started to work in.

Speaker 1 If that's true, is there less FAA people?

Speaker 2 No, there's probably more FAA people, especially with like TSA and whatnot. but I'm saying that it hasn't matched up to the rate of air.

Speaker 2 Like there's more planes in the sky, is what I'm saying. When there's more planes in the sky, you need more air traffic controls.

Speaker 1 We're cut. The FAA helps support an air safety union.

Speaker 1 President Donald Trump's administration has said no one at the federal FAA with a critical safety position has been fired as it cuts the federal workforce.

Speaker 1 Some FAA jobs were eliminated, had direct roles in supporting safety inspectors in airport operations, according to their union and foreign or former employees.

Speaker 2 This is is another way that they lie by the way and and karen bass did this with the la wildfires where she was like oh we didn't actually cut the la fd budget they did they cut the support budget but when you cut the support budget yeah sure you're not cutting the actual firefighters right but you're not reducing their numbers but when you cut the support staff budget you're cutting mechanics when you cut the mechanics and your fucking fire engine is busted you send it over and it just sits in a goddamn yard for months because now there's no fucking mechanics to fix the goddamn car.

Speaker 2 So all of a sudden you're down one fire engine. It's all, it all works together.

Speaker 1 I'm curious to see because Trump's making, you know, and there's so many like executive orders and things right out of the gate and there's so much focus on him by the media too.

Speaker 1 But I'm curious to see if some of these things turn out to help long term.

Speaker 2 There's no way.

Speaker 1 I'm hopeful that they are.

Speaker 1 Like I'm hopeful that, you know, if they're going to cut Medicare or Medicaid, that it's also because they have the, they're going to make price transparency from hospitals, right?

Speaker 1 And, and so then there won't be, the expenses won't be as high, right? Like, I'm hoping that there's some long-term strategy to a lot of his ideas. Like, the same thing with

Speaker 1 Gaza and Israel. I don't know if there is.
It seems, I don't like it, but I'm

Speaker 2 sure Trump is a major Israel dick rider. He's not, he's not changing that at all.

Speaker 1 I think, I don't, I can't, you couldn't find 30 of these people that aren't, it feels like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, especially in the American government, it's, it's really, really awful. They, yeah.

Speaker 2 I want things to get better, and I hope it does. But the reason why I say I'm certain that it won't is because like of what you just mentioned, right?

Speaker 2 $800 billion of Medicare and Medicaid that they want to cut. Mike Johnson goes on stage, says, I goes on Caitlin Collins on CNN and says, oh, there's a lot of fraud happening.

Speaker 2 There's not fraud happening in Medicare and Medicaid on the point of the recipient. It's happening on the point of the providers.

Speaker 2 And that's why I got banned recently on Twitch, yesterday, because Libs of Titan.

Speaker 1 That's how you got banned.

Speaker 1 You just got back. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Libs of TikTok was like posting about how I said something and they misconstrued it as though it was a call to action to assassinate a sitting U.S. senator.
Because I said

Speaker 2 to Mike Johnson, because I was listening to him back and forth, I said, like, if Mike Johnson actually cared about Medicare fraud, he would tackle Medicare fraud happening at the point of the providers.

Speaker 2 But it's obvious that he doesn't care about Medicare fraud because if he did care about Medicare fraud, he would break Scott,

Speaker 2 who is responsible for the

Speaker 2 historic

Speaker 2 $1.7 billion worth of Medicare fraud.

Speaker 1 And is he still working the

Speaker 1 bro?

Speaker 2 He's he he was a

Speaker 2 he was a corporate executive at HCA at the time in the 90s. The DOJ came after him

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 he basically quit his job. He got a $10 million compensation package after doing $1.7 billion in the media.

Speaker 1 And then came and worked in the private sector.

Speaker 2 He got $300 million in stock options, didn't see a fucking moment of jail time for that. Okay.

Speaker 2 And then now, and then he became Florida governor, and now he's a fucking Florida senator. And he's a prominent figure in the Republican Party.

Speaker 2 I think he was like their head of their fundraising or some shit. I forget what his position in the Trump campaign and the Republican Party is beyond the fact that he's a senator.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they should allow people to go from one to the other.

Speaker 1 from private to public. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just, because it just obviously there's conflicts of interest when people do that sort of thing, you know?

Speaker 2 Oh, for sure. I mean, that's one aspect.

Speaker 1 But I agree with you. I agree.
It's like.

Speaker 2 That guy should be in jail. Like, that's what I think.

Speaker 2 I think if you do $1.7 billion in Medicare fraud, you should be in fucking jail. Like, what are we talking about? You shouldn't be a Republican senator from Florida.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it says

Speaker 1 right here, Rick Scott's role in the Columbia HCA scandal. In 2003, Rick Scott's company, Columbia, HCA, the largest private hospital chain in the U.S., was found guilty of defrauding Medicare.

Speaker 1 The company was forced to pay $1.7 billion a settlement. That was the largest medical fraud fine in U.S.
history at the time.

Speaker 1 Scott, who was the CEO, left the company with a $10 million severance package after the scandal.

Speaker 2 $300 million in stock options, too. Wow.

Speaker 1 So do you start to wonder? So this is when he was in the private sector, right? Yeah. So it's, yeah, what's going to be different if a guy comes over from that private sector to the public sector?

Speaker 2 He's the richest congressperson, by the way. Is he really? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Fuck that, man. Give us some fucking money.
I think people should only be able to have a certain amount of money.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I mean, look, I don't necessarily care about how much money people have.

Speaker 2 I care about how they make their money.

Speaker 1 But no, I agree. How does this guy, how do you keep it?

Speaker 2 Like, he's LeBron James, right? 50,000 points. He crossed over that boundary.
20 plus years of dominance in the league.

Speaker 2 He gets paid a wage. He's what is known as one of the few people is like a wage billionaire, basically.

Speaker 2 If he makes that kind of money, that means he's making somebody else a fuck ton more money, right?

Speaker 2 And I don't mind that he's getting paid these big bucks, partially because he's my goat and I love him. Okay.
And I think he deserves it. But also partially because

Speaker 2 he's not making that by like hiring people and then forcing them to work to the bone. He does have businesses.
He's also obviously an owner of capital as well. So he does capital accumulation as well.

Speaker 2 But ultimately, I just want people to be comfortable. And I think that if you are working a job, like you should be able to have a house.
You should be able to live comfortably.

Speaker 2 And it doesn't matter what job it is. You could be picking up trash.
I think that's still obviously valuable. It's worthwhile.

Speaker 2 Also, I guess sanitation is one of the worst examples because they do have pretty solid unions.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we had a garbage man on. It was awesome, man.
My buddy Wayne, he's got a podcast now called Trash Talk. But

Speaker 1 yeah, they do pretty well. But then what about LeBron's companies if they're buying shirts from another country?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 And that labor there and those people, that guy's sleeping on a tricycle seat at night because he has to be at work again in the morning.

Speaker 2 So that part, that's what I'm saying. That part I don't agree with.

Speaker 2 But I'm saying if he was just making, you know, all of his money from just balling and he's getting a wage, like, who cares? You know, I don't have an issue with that. Especially if the,

Speaker 2 if the, hold on, I got to open my door. Sorry, I got I got FedEx at the door and it's raining.
I feel bad.

Speaker 1 Oh, it's raining out there, huh?

Speaker 2 Yeah, all right, I got it. I did it, I did it.
We brought him inside. Um,

Speaker 1 we know who sent the rain in, probably, too.

Speaker 2 What, the, the weather machine?

Speaker 2 Oh, the Jews,

Speaker 1 you know say, you know say,

Speaker 2 I'm illegal.

Speaker 1 That's what I say with the Jews.

Speaker 1 When the Jews come for me, I'll be like, I'm illegal.

Speaker 2 So, see,

Speaker 2 see, like,

Speaker 2 this is

Speaker 2 another example of, like,

Speaker 2 you know, you could normally, under normal circumstances, you can make this joke, but then, like, then there's motherfuckers who really believe it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 When there's like dudes who are like, no, you're, Marjorie Taylor Green was talking about how they have a weather machine. She wasn't saying Jews, but she was like,

Speaker 2 they have a weather machine.

Speaker 1 But imagine you're rich enough. Say you were rich enough, like Mike,

Speaker 1 not Mike Jones or whatever. That's that rapper, but I'm thinking of

Speaker 1 Bill Gates, right?

Speaker 1 If you had enough money, bro, you would fucking get it. And some guy's like, look, for one bill, I'll get you a weather machine.
We'll get you the

Speaker 1 I'd get that bitch in a heartbeat, dude. Imagine you're sitting at home, you're having your coffee, and you're like, all right, Detroit, fuck you guys.
Here's seven inches, right?

Speaker 1 Here's seven white inches. It's really the only way that freaking a white guy can give seven to ten white inches anymore is by pressing that weather button.

Speaker 2 This is Bill Gates pressing the weather button.

Speaker 1 He's pressing the weather button. But no, man, I think it's,

Speaker 1 Would you have had Trump come on your show? But

Speaker 1 first of all, thankfully we can still joke around about stuff and we can have a sense of humor. Imagine if we didn't, as individuals, have a sense of humor.

Speaker 1 That would be...

Speaker 2 I agree with you.

Speaker 1 That would be the saddest.

Speaker 2 I agree with you. I love comedy.

Speaker 2 You know, Bill Burr is my GOAT. Yeah, dude.
I think he is, you know, I mean, you're a comedian as well.

Speaker 2 I'm obviously very good friends with Stavi as well. I know you always link up with him.

Speaker 1 He made me some cookies his mother made.

Speaker 2 Oh, dude, me too. Yeah.
When he was out here,

Speaker 2 I ate all of it. Oh, you didn't like them?

Speaker 1 No, I liked them. I'm just sad that they're bipartisan snacks he's sending out.
But no,

Speaker 2 damn. No.

Speaker 2 Listen, it was so sweet of him.

Speaker 1 It was this only friend of mine that did that.

Speaker 2 Very sweet of him.

Speaker 2 Did he also... He's like, my mother wants to see this.

Speaker 2 Did he also shill his fucking calendars, his naked calendars?

Speaker 2 Those shits have been sitting on my desk every time i'll have like

Speaker 2 bro i'll have like you know prominent figures like activists and shit at my uh at my house and i'm interviewing them like there was motaza zaiza i'm interviewing him he literally survived the genocide he's a photo journalist from gaza and fucking stavi's naked body is just sitting there on the fucking desk i'm like oh my god

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 2 It's fucked up. It's fucked up.
Being friends with Stavi is fucked up. That's why you can't trust the Greeks.
Oh, now that's look, finally,

Speaker 1 both sided agreement all right there.

Speaker 2 Yeah, dude. Bipartisanship on that front, for sure.

Speaker 1 You cannot trust these Greeks. Yeah, the third month of his calendar is Gorgon Zoller or whatever.

Speaker 2 I'm like, this seems like fucking.

Speaker 1 It was like January, February, March, April, Baklava, June, July. I'm like, that seems.

Speaker 2 That's the other thing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Stealing my people's food, saying it's his. Oh, that's right.
Baklava's Turkish, bro.

Speaker 1 It's Turkish.

Speaker 1 We'll have to talk about that next time would you have uh trump on if he came if he would podcast

Speaker 2 yeah do you feel like you're that far removed from getting to talk to guys like that no no i mean i've talked well i mean you talked to sanders i don't even know why i talked i talked to i talked to uh bradley martin multiple times after like i mean he uh like i i'm not above like going on you know right-wing uh podcasts i'm not above uh talking to people who talk to trump because i think like

Speaker 2 i don't care about like the partisanship angle of this at all i want to be able to communicate to people exactly where the problems are and why people like Trump, just like people like Kamala, are not the

Speaker 2 perfect solution to any of these issues. And

Speaker 2 I would talk to Trump. I just don't think he would come on my stream.
Like,

Speaker 2 cause he is, at the end of the day, he wants to go on a, he wants to go on a show where they're not going to like, you know, push back too much, right? He wants to come across as like,

Speaker 2 he wants to be humanized and he wants to to come across as like a personal,

Speaker 2 a personality that is not devoid of charisma. And he's very telegenic.

Speaker 2 It was actually my turning point when I listened to him and you talk about cocaine.

Speaker 2 When you were talking about doing Coke and he was like genuinely expressing interest in it, I was like, oh, fuck, this motherfucker is going to win, dude. This podcast shit is working so good.

Speaker 2 Because first he did the Aiden Ross thing, and that was like a bit of a dud. Yeah, because

Speaker 2 that just like didn't work out at all. Cause

Speaker 2 it wasn't like a normal conversation.

Speaker 1 Well, it didn't feel it felt kind of planned. Yeah, like they wanted to do like a video, like something, like, let's do some social video.
And I was like, I don't want to do something like that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like the whole dancing and stuff in front of the cyber truck with a photo of him. I didn't show that either.
Like, that stuff, it didn't work at all.

Speaker 2 But then I saw your podcast and I was like, oh, my God, this motherfucker, this motherfucker is going to win the goddamn presidency.

Speaker 1 But he didn't come. I mean,

Speaker 1 they didn't ask for any edits. You know, that was the thing.
They didn't say, like, we need to see this. They didn't fucking have, you guys have a good day.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but that's also because like you're not.

Speaker 2 But I'm also not a political guy. Like,

Speaker 1 this is a trap I fell into recently.

Speaker 2 Because you, because you talked to Bernie Sanders like a week before, no? Yeah. That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 That's what I mean. So it's like,

Speaker 2 you're not, you're not going to like hit him on shit. You're not going to hit him on like stuff that he has no answer for.

Speaker 1 Well, because I think my goal is to find, it's not a goal, but I just want to get to know people kind of, right?

Speaker 1 And I realized I fell in this trap recently. I thought that just because I had some political people on on last year that I knew about politics, I do not.

Speaker 1 That was a trap. Even my own ego was like, oh, maybe I know something about politics.
I don't know shit. Now I have some ideas.

Speaker 1 I know what it feels like to be kind of like, I feel like just a pretty regular person.

Speaker 1 And then I don't know. I try to find empathy here and there and figure things out.

Speaker 1 But I'm learning a lot. I've definitely learned a lot more than I knew two years ago for sure.

Speaker 1 But then to think that I like, you know, I have to be careful not to like smoke moan nuts or whatever it's called where it's like, you just believe, you know, just because I had some politics on, now I'm fucking, you know, Jim Rome or somebody, or, you know, like a politician, you know, I'm like

Speaker 1 Malcolm X.

Speaker 2 Malcolm X. Malcolm X, yeah.

Speaker 2 Malcolm X. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So, yeah. But anyway,

Speaker 1 but no, dude, I like your attitude. I like your Christmas.
I like that.

Speaker 1 I wanted to talk a little bit more about, I know you have a program where you like try to co-op and put money back into

Speaker 1 things that mean something to you.

Speaker 2 My podcast is a cooperative corporation. So, like, everyone has equal say, equal pay.
Yeah. Um, and there are different formations of that.

Speaker 2 Like, you don't have to make it equal pay, but I just thought it would be the best

Speaker 2 possible way to go about it. But it's most importantly, aside from the equal pay, the equal say part is really important.

Speaker 2 We get together, and you know, if someone has an obligation, they're not showing up, it's fine. You know, we, we, uh, we make through, we figure it out as we go along.

Speaker 2 And I think that's how you get, uh, that's how you get the most successful business, like for sure.

Speaker 2 That's something that I stand by. And we still obviously have to hire contractors every now and then, too.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 And we could get together another time and talk about business strategy and things like that. I think it'd be interesting.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I just wanted to just.

Speaker 2 Then, yeah, we do a lot of fundraising. Like

Speaker 2 the other day, I had the no other land, the Palestinians who made a documentary about their own lives. Yeah, I had them.
No, we tried to get them.

Speaker 2 I had them on my house. Like,

Speaker 2 they rolled up deep. They had like 10 people.
Like, the whole family was there.

Speaker 1 Dude, no other friends. That's what I'd say.

Speaker 2 Why the fuck did we invite two of you guys? Yeah, they, I mean, they also like straight up came from, you know, occupied Palestinian territory. Like, they flew into America

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 we were chilling. We were just like talking about

Speaker 2 talking about their experiences.

Speaker 2 And I interviewed them. And then in the process, like the organization that actually brought them here,

Speaker 2 who works with, you know, a lot of Palestinians on the ground, like, they were like, oh, can you share share this link

Speaker 2 to fundraise?

Speaker 2 So I did. And

Speaker 2 in the hour-long interview that we did, we fundraised $100,000. Now it's sitting at $135,000.
But that's the type of stuff that I love being able to do because

Speaker 2 I feel so powerless a lot of times when I see all of this death and destruction. And I feel like it's a meaningful way to be able to help, to

Speaker 2 actively fundraise.

Speaker 2 It gives myself and a lot of people that watch me the opportunity to say,

Speaker 2 you know, at least we're trying to do something, anything. You know what I mean? So I try to do that to the best of my ability.

Speaker 2 We've fundraised for Palestinian aid organizations to the tune of, I think, like almost more than $3 million at this point

Speaker 2 since October 7th. Wow.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah. No, I appreciate even saying that because I think that's something I need to hear more about.
It's on my brain and heart a lot.

Speaker 1 We started a foundation last year, but haven't started to figure out like what to do with the money or what exactly to do, you you know?

Speaker 1 Yeah, like I would like to create a business that, like, I thought about like water, like you're selling water, but the money goes towards

Speaker 1 rehab for people that suffer from opioid addiction, you know, that sort of thing. Just so it's like using something that everybody needs, but finally, the proceeds, it only goes towards this thing.

Speaker 1 There's not even a profit, you know, it's like this is what it's for.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 But I need to be more.

Speaker 2 I've done that in the past too. Like my, my, like I have merch and it's U.S.
made, Union made.

Speaker 2 and obviously the margins are incredibly slim for that reason American giant is that dude does your merch or no is it no it's a bayside is my garment manufacturer my garment provider is one of the only union shops that is a garment manufacturer in the country that can like

Speaker 2 Keep up with the demand that we have because there's a shit ton of people that are buying the t-shirts so like and sometimes I'll just

Speaker 2 like I will fundraise like by saying all the proceeds like every single point of profit is directly going to a labor union.

Speaker 2 Like we, I gave the Amazon labor union, I think it was like $170,000 or something like that, off of just that.

Speaker 2 We fundraise, like, I think.

Speaker 1 Or from Amazon packaging?

Speaker 2 The Amazon labor union, yeah. Like the people that work at the distribution facilities.

Speaker 2 Another thing I did this past year was for,

Speaker 2 I don't know how to say the name correctly, but Raises.

Speaker 2 It's an organization that works with undocumented migrants in Texas specifically. And they give them

Speaker 2 translators and lawyers. And they pay for lawyer fees and stuff like that.
So I'm actively working on fundraising initiatives like that

Speaker 2 because I feel like there's a lot of stories that don't get told in mainstream media. That's why I interviewed the incarcerated firefighters that were combating the wildfires in L.A.

Speaker 2 You know, there's prisoners that fight wildfires, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, they send prisoners out to fight them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 There's like a training program and stuff. I'm working with an organization

Speaker 2 to go and actually see them at their prison, their training camp.

Speaker 1 Fuck yeah, dude. Yeah.
That's so creative, man. Yeah, that's a,

Speaker 1 yeah, I'm glad you say these things.

Speaker 1 Because, yeah, it's just stuff that I can remember to try to focus more on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because everybody, that's the crazy thing. It's like everybody at every point of something,

Speaker 1 most people need

Speaker 1 support right or they need something of support they need an ear they need a blanket they need a mouthful of people they need a friend you know every it's um there's a lot of ways to be a part of the world you know um

Speaker 1 and always to try and find uh

Speaker 1 a corner um where you can express care um Hassan Piker, thanks so much, dude. I'd love to chat again sometime.

Speaker 1 I know we didn't get to cover, you know, some stuff we did, but I just appreciate it, man. I think,

Speaker 1 yeah, I just think it's important, too, that

Speaker 1 people just get together and talk about stuff, you know?

Speaker 1 I wish I'd have been able to

Speaker 1 kind of like

Speaker 1 have probably some stronger political conversations with you. Some of that stuff I don't have as strong of a knowledge base in.

Speaker 1 But I admire you, dude, and I admire

Speaker 1 the way you operate. And

Speaker 1 I really appreciate your time today.

Speaker 2 All right. Thanks for having me, man.
This sounds great.

Speaker 1 I'm sorry if you have stream for so long, too, dude.

Speaker 2 No, I love it.

Speaker 2 The things that I just told you in the last three minutes is exactly why I love what I do because I have a

Speaker 2 giant community with a big heart.

Speaker 2 And I think that that is what makes everything worth it. Because like I said,

Speaker 2 there will be people

Speaker 2 swearing up and down that I'm the worst person

Speaker 2 that you've ever met, no matter where I go.

Speaker 2 It's just noise. It's mostly people that are online.
That doesn't translate to real world experiences at all. But

Speaker 2 in spite of all of that, in spite of like people constantly working to actively smear me to say I'm anti-Semitic or I love terrorism or whatever the fuck with clips out of context and all this shit, at the end of the day, I get to make an impact.

Speaker 2 And that's how I sleep soundly at night, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 2 Where I know that

Speaker 2 all of this is worth it.

Speaker 1 Why did Jewish friend recommend you to me?

Speaker 2 Who's the Jewish friend that recommended the podcast?

Speaker 1 And they said, do not name them.

Speaker 2 Oh, damn. No, they didn't.

Speaker 1 That part I made up, but I would just protect their anonymity. But it's just, you know, I'm saying, like, just, it's like

Speaker 2 people,

Speaker 1 I think, people, I don't know. We're all trying.
I think, yeah, I have a neat community too that I feel like wants to do stuff that's important in the world.

Speaker 1 And we're all trying to figure out how, you know.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I just, I see that light in you, man. And I appreciate you coming and sharing your time with us today.
I really do.

Speaker 2 All right. Thanks for having me.
You bet, man. Now I'm just falling on the breeze.
And I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be

Speaker 2 cornerstone.

Speaker 2 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of mind I found I can feel it

Speaker 2 in my bones.

Speaker 2 But it's gonna take

Speaker 2 a little bit of

Speaker 2 time.