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Today's guest is a comedian, a podcaster and a social commentator. You know him from his show, Part of the Problem, and you also know him from Legion of Skanks with big J and Louis J Gomez.
We get into a lot of topics in this one. One of them being the Israel and Palestine conflict, um, which we've been learning about on this show over the year.
Uh, we recorded this on Monday, January 13th, which is why there was no talk of the ceasefire. Just wanted to make that note.

I'm really grateful for his time and his insight.

And today's guest is comedian Dave Smith. I love you.

I love you.

I love you.

I mean, that's most of my goal each day is to just babysitting myself, a lot of it. Well, that's a good way to do it.
Maybe have some other people help babysit you? Oh, I'd like to get to that point. You know, I think I would like to get to that point, get a spouse or get a, uh, get some, you know, uh, spouse or something.
Yeah. Caretaker or even get in a hospice, dude.
I have some friends. You just went, but not dying, but just have hospice.
That's a new thing. A lot of guys.
Yeah. See if you bring that up.
If you bring young men going to live.

My buddy, Caleb Presley, you know, he is.

He works with Barstool, long hair.

Yeah, I think so.

He does the Sunday conversation.

Okay.

He lives in a senior retirement home.

How old is he?

He got loopholed in, I think, 33, 34.

That's getting an early start. Lovesning listening to him argue stuff like that it's down in florida so it's a um yeah he gets all of that three meals a day or like two and a half meals i'm not sure what they're doing i feel is there a gym there i feel like you'd feel really good about yourself in the gym like if you're just like you know what i mean like just like yeah i'm fucking wrecking these fools here dude like i'm the only one going hard that's a good point dude some guys just fucking look at this chump some guy just zoned out some i was like i was mr olympian 1938 some dude just hopped up on ed pills you know that's got to be the scary thing i think when you get to a certain age is risking the erect going for the erection because of the blood just moving all the blood to one you know oh yeah you're probably gonna you probably can't stand up to that battlefront yeah but that's like there's got to be something it's probably a real compliment to a chick if you're like i'm risking it all yeah i'm risking it all just to try to fuck you right now it's got that's the ultimate like nothing could be any better yeah i my grandfather lived in a like a like i don't know what nursing home type deal for like a couple years before he died.
He was really, the people who work there, it was just such a funny dynamic. It was like all black people from like the inner city and then like old Jews.
And all the black people who work there are just rolling their eyes at these old people. My grandfather, every time I went to see him, he accused them of stealing from him.
None these people were ever stealing from him none of them it was just pure racism like it was just and it was like things that like he'd be like they took the art off the wall and i'd be like there was no art on this wall this is all in your mind he's like there's not now he made me he made me move a dress i was like 12 and he made me move this big dresser to check if there was change behind

it oh yeah and then there was nothing i was like there's no change behind it and he was like they stole it ah and i was like wait there was supposed to be change behind it like you were keeping your change that's the old jewish change behind the dresser trick i think yeah um you're jewish you're Yeah, I am.

You are.

And so are you Israeli too?

Is that the same thing?

No, no, no, no. Israel's the nation.
I have nothing to do with that. Okay.
But someone's Jewish, they're just means that they have family that's from Israel originally? No, not even necessarily. It's just like you, it's, you know, Judaism, it's a weird thing because it's like a religion, but then it's also kind of a race and then it's kind of a nationality with Israel.
So basically a bunch of Jews went and started their own country in Israel in the forties, but these were Jews from Europe who went to, you know, now according to the Bible or whatever, thousands of years ago, we were all from there. But the Jews from Europe went and started there.

But lots of other Jews just didn't leave Europe or didn't leave America.

And so they never had anything to do with Israel.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

But they still play on kind of like your, you know, come on, you got to support us because we're for you.

This is the Jewish state.

This is what protects Jewish people.

So a lot of Jews do feel sympathy to Israel,

even the ones who don't have like any connection,

even ones who have never been there.

Okay, got it.

Got it, okay.

No, that's interesting.

Yeah, because sometimes I wonder like,

yeah, because I start hearing about like Jewish,

then I hear Zionist and Zionist means.

Zionist means, I think technically speaking,

Zionist means you believe that Jews should have a homeland in what is now called Israel. So that's more like the belief that Jews should have this country over there.
And then there now then there's like kind of a separation between that and someone could theoretically be a Zionist, but also be like the way they're doing it over there is all wrong. Right.
So you don't have to like support the government, but Zionist typically means that, but now it's just kind of become, it's become shorthand for someone who supports Israel. Okay.
Okay. So it's somebody who supports the country Israel is Zionist.
And what sometimes I see black Zionists, is that just like, is that like Zionism just like with a backbeat or whatever? Like, what is it? Because you know what I'm talking about? Yes. That, well, those guys.
And they're like, we're the reals. And I'm like, I don't know what is going on.
Those guys, they were, so I grew up in New York city and they would always be out like in midtown Manhattan. And there was no, let me tell you something.
And Theo, I mean, I've come up around some incredibly talented comedians. I've seen some of the best in the world.
There is no better comedy show than being like 15 and just sitting there and watching these guys. They'd scream at people.
And then people would get furious back at them. I've watched like – because their thing is that they're the real Jews.
And then they get like little old Jewish men will start yelling at them. No, you're not the real Jew.
I'm the real Jew. And we would just be like stone teenagers just watching.
Just loving it. It's like would the real slim savings please stand up, you know? Is that an okay Jewish joke to make or not? I mean, as far as I'm concerned, it was good.
Just, yeah, sorry. I thought that was pretty good.
So I don't know what their whole claim is. I don't know.
But they say they're the real Jews and the Jews are just pretending to be the Jews, but they're really the white devils or something. Yeah, because that's a new thing I've been seeing.
I would see it and then sometimes I wouldn't see it. And now in different, when I'm in, sometimes I'm performing in different cities, you'll see a group of black Zionists and they're trying to get you in this something, you know, and I can't tell what it is.
And, but yeah, and then you see, you hear a lot of different terms. So yeah, I was just curious about that.
Dave Smith, thanks for joining, man. Absolutely.
You are a comedian and a, I want to say like a politico, is that fair to say kind of? Sure. You're like somebody with a point of view.
Yeah, definitely that. Yeah.
I love, I'm obsessed with politics and I talk a lot of shit about it. So yeah, I you want to call that but yeah and you're very funny man well thank you and um and you are a libertarian is that right yes okay and this is awesome man because so much of my audience and me really is just like i don't know what a lot of the terminology is right um like even asking you about zionists like you hear it, but you're like, what is it, right? What is libertarian mean? To me, it's basically just, it's the belief in self-ownership, in non-aggression and private property.
Basically, the idea of libertarianism is that like you own your body, you own your life, you ought to be free. So long as you're not impeding on the rights of other people, you ought to be able to do whatever you want to do.
Okay. So a belief in free market capitalism, peace, non-intervention, and just basically the idea of what most people think of Americanism as that like, oh yeah, you have freedom of speech, you have the right to own a gun, you have the right to own some property, you have the right to live your life the way you see best.
And do libertarians believe in government? Well, there's a range of different thoughts within libertarians. To the extent that libertarians believe in government, we believe the role of government is to protect people's liberty.
Um, government shouldn't be doing anything more than that. Like if they're doing anything more than that, then they've become tyrannical.
Yeah. Which I think is true.
I think is just objectively true. Like no matter what is, if government's doing anything that is more than just protecting property or protecting people, then it's always at the expense of someone.
Even if they're giving somebody something, they're taking it from someone else because they don't actually have anything themselves. Right.
So like, what would an example of that be? I mean, anything like, even if you just took it down to like, if the government is cutting a check to one person, well, how do they get that check? It's not like, you know what I mean? Like they didn't pool their money together. They they took it from someone they taxed one group of people to give it to another got it so any service is falls within that got it understood um cool man yeah i um okay so that's good information thanks what uh let's talk about some things that are happening right now one of the biggest ones right now is tiktok and the sale of, right? Like there's a big uproar right now.
You see a lot of videos on TikTok about what to do if TikTok disappears, where to go. People like there's like safe rooms and shit.
I'm like, I think they'll figure it out, but maybe some people won't. What do you think is behind the TikTok ban? Do you think it's actually going to get banned? I'm very unsure about the second question.
I really don't know. It'll be interesting.
I don't use TikTok. And so I don't really have a connection to like the, but the people who love TikTok, I've seen this too.
They're losing their minds. Like they're like, I think they are some type of addicted to it.
What's behind it is really interesting. And I think that that's like, it's kind of a, it's a, it's a microcosm of like kind of what's going on in general, but TikTok very quietly to people who are not like on it and not using it, but it became like the main like news source for young people.
And like in a crazy way that for people our age, if you even think back to like when we were little kids, it's so like, it's hard to even imagine that it's real. It's like, oh, they, now these young people are connected to information in a way that totally like goes around older people at all.
They have nothing to do with it. You know what I mean? Like Nancy Pelosi is sitting there just furious.
Like, what is this? No, they don't care about like they don't even know the people on TV news, you know? And so, OK, when I say this, I'm not just like pulling this out of my ass. Like there was like one.
It might have been the head of the ADL, but it was someone real high up in the in the ADL who said this. And what is ADL? The Anti-Defamation League.

And then there was a- Anti-Defamation League.

So they are, it's like graffiti or whatever?

Yeah, well, not exactly.

They're not, the name doesn't exactly describe what they do, but they're one of these people.

Yes, in fact, it was him.

It was Greenblatt.

CEO of Anti-Defamation League.

They're a league that was started by Jewish people.

And it was kind of, at least at the beginning, i think was to be whatever fighting anti-semitism or exposing this stuff they've they've come to be an organization that will really try to go after and ruin anybody who's critical of israel right i said they had some issue with elon now i remember maybe a year ago or eight months ago or something there was something with him maybe that was adl ADL. Yeah, it's possible.
But so they – one of the things that they were real upset about was that from October 7th, 23, up until now, TikTok has just been dominated by anti-Israel kind of critical of this war. That's where a lot of the young people are seeing all the images of like the palestinian babies dying and stuff the kids like people like begging for food and stuff like that a lot of um yeah like the icc when they tried to send like condemn netanyahu that was loose on there yep or it was real information but yes yes that's right and if you remember um it was me, but what, I don't know, what is it like a year ago around now? Osama bin Laden's letter to America went viral on TikTok.
It was so fascinating for me. Like I'm, I'm 41.
And so I was 18 when 9-11 happened, you know, and then it's interesting to watch this whole new generation of 18 year olds, like discover this for the first time. And it's like, oh yeah, there was a whole thing went down and they're actually reading Osama bin Laden's own letter about why he did it.
Now, of course they're young lefties. So a lot of times, I mean, you know, they were like, Osama was right.
And, you know, I'm not saying they took like the best message from it, but it was interesting to watch them kind of like engaging. Yeah.
It's like wearing that Che Guevara shirt, you know? Yeah. You're like, I don't know exactly what he was doing, but yeah, it seems cool.
It seems like a vibe, but then also to hear from like a person who was labeled completely as horrible, right. As the enemy, like Osama bin Laden was, and to see some of their thoughts, right.
Like to see how they believe that they came to be the enemy, right? Not taking a side in it, but just like, it's kind of fascinating that you weren't able to really get some of those, in some places, in some platforms, you might not be able to hear that view. Well, imagine, I mean, like, imagine it was just like a, like a personal thing.
Like if if i if there was like um if i told you i

was like in an argument with someone like a mutual friend of ours and i was like you know me and this guy just got in a huge fight and you were like uh what happened and i was like well he's a monster he's evil he hates everything good he's made of pure venom and i think you you might be like okay but like what's really going on here because i like it's not a matter of taking sides to just be like, he probably has a side too.

Right, he has a point of view.

He probably has a point.

And- Like what's really going on here? Because like it's not a matter of taking sides to just be like he probably has a side too. Right.
He has a point of view. He has a point.
And what the American people were told, I remember when I was 18, was they hate us for our freedom. And like that was all you were allowed to think of Al Qaeda right after 9-11 was like they did this because they hate freedom.
They hate your mom. They hate everything about our life.
They hate everything that's good. They hate that we have, you know, whatever that we're Christian, whatever it is.
And. Or you have freedom of religion.
They hate any of that. Right.
There was all these, it was like, but the only way you could get that information was through like the main network. Yeah.
You had to listen to Dick Cheney, have a conversation with some news lady on CNN or something like that. But what's interesting, I think, for a lot of these young people is when you read Osama bin Laden, you realize that.
And I don't think the conclusion should be that he was right. Obviously, you're never right when you're killing civilians.
Right. Note to Israel.
But he had legitimate grievances. and a bunch of those grievances are things that know that they never wanted the american people

and no note to Israel, but he had legitimate grievances. And a bunch of those grievances are things that they never wanted the American people to know about, because then you might have a slightly different feeling about the war.
I think the same thing is true with the war in Ukraine too. It's like why they never want you to hear what Putin's issue actually is.
Why did he invade this country? It's why they all flipped out when Tucker went and interviewed him. Because you're like, oh, shit, you get to hear his perspective now.

And it's not that necessarily the correct position is to side with Putin. It's not.
Or to side with Osama. It's not.
But it's not wrong to recognize that like, OK, he's got a point about this. He's got a point about that.
Osama, aside from being an Islamist, which we all know he was. And what does Islamist mean? Well, meaning like a fundamentalist, you know, not just a Muslim, but like a believer in like the most fundamentalist doctrine of Islam.
So he was that. But then he's got all these grievances listed in his declaration of war against America and his open letter to America.
What were some of them? Can we bring them up, you think? Or is it too deep to go into? No, no. I mean, it's not even that complicated.
I mean, the major ones were, the number one was that we have military bases in their holy land in Saudi Arabia. They hate this.
They find this to be like a total, and I'm no like expert on Islam, but from their perspective, this is blasphemy. Oh, I can imagine that.
Say if I'm going to my church or my religious place my place of worship oh yeah and there's a guy sitting over there and a foreign military right foreign group loudly drinking out of a juice box or something and you know pouring a skittle you know a loud candy in his hand because he doesn't give a fuck yeah he doesn't even probably recognize that my religion even exists he may not he may he may not but either way still that's gonna make me fume oh dude but also like i mean look if we even if just you looked at it from a not religious point of view i mean if there was like chinese or russian military bases in our country and we knew that like they're the real boss you know what i mean like it's not let's get real america is is not like on par with the Saudi government. We're the world empire and they're our little satellite over there.
That would make people infuriated. I mean, people over here, liberals over here, got infuriated about Trump being connected to Russia and that wasn't even true.
So like, imagine it was true and there were Russian bases like all over the play. People would lose their minds.
We wouldn't stand for it. That was a major, that was the major one.
But it's the military bases. It was us, us, our support for Israel and what they do to the Palestinians.
And then he mentioned that. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. This was the major, major part.
I didn't know that. Yes.
So they were furious about that because they, you know kind to their Palestinian neighbors. And so that was a big part of it.
Yeah, it's heartbreaking over there. Oh, yeah.
And this has been the worst thing that Israel's ever done to the Palestinians over the last year plus. But it's not like this is where it started.
It was going on since. Yeah, we had some guys come on and talk about Israel palestine just like the histories of both of them you know it was cool we had rabbi wolpe come on and we had um basim yusef yusef come on and just to give like um the two different kind of different sides and take us through some the different perspectives of history um but yeah so this was the message right here that uh that osama written, right? And so those were some of his big issues? Yes, looks like it here.
I can't... Okay, criticism of American military bases in the Middle East, condemnation of U.S.
support for Israel, accusation of U.S. exploitation of the region...
So number three, so there, what he was specifically talking about... And let's just say it so we...
So what it says here is – I'm not sure what we're reading, but accusations of U.S. exploitation of the region's natural resources.
And what he's talking about there is us insisting that they keep oil artificially low, the price of oil artificially low, which is true. I mean, even just when I remember a couple of years ago when inflation was at its worst, the Biden administration just asked the Saudis to lower the price of oil because then, well, that will make prices cheaper here.
He'll face less political pressure of people being mad about gas being so expensive. But when you really think about what the ask is there, the ask is, hey, make your people poorer so that our people can be richer.

And so this was a big beef they had too.

By lowering the value of it basically.

Yeah, exactly. By saying it's worth less.

Right.

By selling it for less.

We get cheaper energy, but your people get less money.

So that was one of their major beefs.

And then at the time, you got to remember because this was in the 90s or actually I'm not sure.

The letter to America might have been later. But his declaration of war against America was like in 96.
But so the big thing at the time was the Clinton's bombing campaign of Iraq and his blockade of Iraq. So there's like it's debated how many people died from it.
The U.N. estimated at one point that 500,000 children had died from starvation and malnutrition.

So that was enough.

So it's like he had all these grievances and a lot of them involved the U.S. either directly or indirectly killing Muslim kids.
And, you know, I mean, look, obviously, he's wrong for doing terrorism. but I think most of us could admit that like, yeah, if anyone, you know, if, if any of us,

like children that we care about were being slaughtered, we might be ready to do some violent stuff on behalf of that too. I mean- Well, depending on what perspective you look up, Robin Hood is a tale of a terrorist.
It depends on what perspective you look at it through. Yeah, no, I mean, look, and that's, or, you know- You know what I'm saying? Does that make any sense to you a little bit? Yeah, yeah, well, I think according to the British Empire, our founding fathers were a bunch of terrorists probably, right? Oh, well, when you look back through American history, I mean what we did to the Native Americans, sure, they had huge beef amongst each other.
But they were also blatantly lied to and taken advantage of countless times by other people that had come in, by white settlers that had come in and by the Spanish as well. A lot of times it all gets put onto honkies or whatever, but it was also darker honkies, the Spanish.
Yeah. Just so you know, we don't even consider them white.
So it was really your beef is with each other. But so let's tie this back into the TikTok.
Okay, so you're saying that it's because,

and I believe that one of the main reasons TikTok has been banned

is there's a threat of the ban or the force of the sale

is because they don't want it to be in the hands of a place

where they can't have the other side of the story come out,

whether it be about Palestine or about anything.

No, the cover story, the reason they claimed at first that they were trying to ban it was because of china but it really wasn't until the war broke out in gaza that this pressure kind of started mounting but the china thing i mean i don't know you know i remember like tucker did a whole thing on this back when he still had the show on fox news and he he was showing the thing where like, I don't know, have you ever seen like the way the algorithm on TikTok works in China compared to the way it works in America? There's more educational and fun. The number one trending video for 17 year olds in China is like a kid playing the violin or something.
And then ours is just some chick twerking, you know, like on a sports car or something like that. And then they were like kind of saying like, Oh, see, it's China's poisoning our kids' minds.
But I always thought, I mean, I don't know what the answer is, but like, isn't it possible that our kids are just poisoning our own minds? Yeah. Like their algorithm is just showing them this garbage and their algorithm is showing them this.
Cause like, if I go, if I just made a conscious effort to go on Twitter every day and only look up like violin lessons, I'm that's what the algorithm would start sending me right after a while so i did i've always like been suspicious that is like i think our culture is just messed up and that's we're worst enemy at the a lot of the same time because it's like we want certain things but we're not willing to um let go of any comforts or any or really battle some of our addictive naturesures, you know? I think some of that too is just a side effect of capitalism and a side effect of comfort over time and a side effect of like kind of deterioration of our society, you know? Like, even if you look at like, I was reading this the other day about pornography, like a lot of the videos in pornography, someone would be like, dad's daughter. When you really think about the fact that that's how they're you know what i'm saying it's like there's somebody has a dark goal to tear down like that little things like family things that matter you know i'm saying like so um you know i i was wondering i remember asking a friend about this like this was a ago, but it was 10 years ago or something like that.

But it was like when I started noticing that I was like, what's up with all the porn categories of like family swap and this and that? And a buddy of mine said this to me and I thought, oh, man, that kind of makes sense. But he was like, oh, you know what it is is he goes nowadays like families are so broken up and mishmashed and everyone's from divorces and everything that so many people grew up with like a step mom and step siblings.
So you just be a kid. And then all of a sudden you got like these new girls who aren't your mother and sister.
You know what I mean? Like living in your house. And so like, that's what led to that, which I don't know if that theory is correct or not.
sounds like that dude it's kind of i was like yeah either he's a really sick person or you're on to something that guy sounds like he was building like he was literally using you to build a case for for a future indictment he was going to face but no it's kind of came out with it really quickly too like it was he's like we just signed sign this petition right here dave i'm so glad you asked i've been dying to talk to someone about this. Um, but let me, I'm trying to tell this, what were we talking about? I'm on my mind.
Just like TikTok and then, but TikTok. Yeah.
Like, um, yeah, we're also part of the, our own pro it's like, we just keep creating this stuff, but, um, or just ridiculousness we, and we get addicted to the ridiculousness, but also some of that's part of the freedom of just being in a place where you can make whatever you want. And you have that like freedom of creation kind of to an extent or freedom of your own creativity.
Some places you can't even really be creative in because it's not allowed, but the expressions of certain creativities aren't. Yeah, I don't buy the Chinese.
I don't know if if i buy the chinese thing or not because to me it's like aren't all these apps like all of them seem like they're foreign to me yeah like they're and what difference does it make i mean i i just you know i know people were giving me shit because i said something about this on uh on pierce morgan show the other day but you know they were trying to make it to make it out like, the topic was about how Mark Zuckerberg just announced that he's gonna let people talk on Facebook again or whatever. And someone was arguing with me that like, well, the government, the US government has to like have these conversations with Facebook because all of these foreign governments are trying to propagandize us.
And I'm just like, I don't know, after the last few years, how are you going to tell me that the that DC should get in charge because other people are trying to lie to us? Like all of the most blatant, most consequential lies have come from my own government. So like, I just don't get worked up over this.
Likean is trying to propaganda i agree okay so like tell me when was the last time iran had like an effective propaganda campaign that actually you know like like led to something in america okay well my own government had this country like literally had people like cutting family members out of their lives because they didn't take a vaccine yeah and the russia gate hoax yeah the russia you literally sat here all you guys four years and literally told us that what if true would have been the biggest story in the history of the united nothing true at all but but imagine if it were true like you were making the claim that the sitting president of the united states of america is involved in a conspiracy with a hostile foreign power it was all bullshit and all you guys still have your jobs yeah all the people who sold that are still the ones complaining on the news today that no one trusts them without even thinking about that yeah and you could ask in a regular i'm a pretty regular guy i think you know like and i don't mean that in like a braggy way i just feel like i try to you know i try to be smarter sometimes it's hard for me i didn't i realized i just have to try my best at where i'm at and i i thought immediately russia i was like they're running out of steam they have an old dude a lot of people go over there for perverted stuff you know it's like i could certainly see a lot of our leaders passing through there and you know what i'm saying we'll do a few favors for russia because they don't want some videos getting released but i don't think that this you know this they're they don't seem like they're on the cusp of of like chain like holding us at bay for something you know i just immediately they didn't pass the smell test to me well also just that it's donald trump i mean like say whatever you want about donald trump he was a known commodity. He's like the most American thing.
He's the most famous rich guy of all time. Like, you're telling me he was a Russian spy? It just made it made no sense.
And then they had nothing. They had no evidence to support.
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And the thing, and that's where I think, that's really where I think the media started to go really lose its grip on people and on control. And so that's why I really worry a lot like with this tick tock ban i'm like well because if news is getting out there right um about all types of things it could be like uh there was also a lot of um barbara o'neill did you see those clips she's a medicine woman an australian medicine woman but there was a lot of like natural remedy stuff that started to just be put out there.
Like, I don't know if it was valid or not, but it was like, you would see a ton of it. Like, like, so basically opposition to all these medicines, all these like prescriptions you need.
Like, so I could see certainly how nobody, like the powers that be, if they exist, don't want a lot of this type of information out there. Oh, yeah.
And especially with Palestine. You know, I don't think, you know, I don't understand what's going on over there.
I mean, that Netanyahu guy. I mean, what he's doing to these people is like it's the most inexcusable, just horrific thing in the world.
And the fact that, you know, like I said this on Rogan's podcast and I got shit for it, but I stand by this. But it's just like, you know, it's just like throughout all the history, there's just all this horrible shit.
It's just slavery and wars and genocides and ethnic cleansing campaigns and all this. And every single point in history, there was someone there who would justify it and be like, no, we have to.
We have reasons why it's okay to do this. And they bend over backward and twist themselves into pretzels to explain why they're the real victims.
And they really have to do this to these people because if they don't, then they do it to them. But it's all indefensible.
You're like, you just defend an evil shit. And I feel the same way about Israel, man.
Like it's just to defend what they're doing to a group of people who are captive, who they've been occupying since 1967. You know, you've been occupying.
They have, they don't have a military. They don't have a government.
They don't have an air force. They don't have it.
They have no means of defending themselves. And you are just destroying the place.
But you're not letting the news out. That's the thing, right? You're not letting people get a fair take of what could potentially be going on there, right? You're not letting it.
You're doing everything you can to stop that. Well, they always do.
The only thing that's different is that now it's actually a challenge for them to do that. But every war relies on lies and every war relies on totally dehumanizing the enemy.
Cause if you can't do that, you're in a lot of trouble. You know, if you leave just a little inch of humanity for those people, then immediately you're going to go, Oh my God, what are we doing? Cause if that was your like brother's kid or your nephew, your son, your, you'd lose your mind about someone doing that to them.
Oh, well, I think it's like, I'm not an anti-Israel guy. I am a, but that guy seems, it just seems, he gives me this vibe that it's evil, right? And it's not something I'm making in my head.
It's something that starts inside of me. It's not like I'm, because I know it because I knew it when I went to Cuba when I was in college and I would see people that would come up to the windows and they weren't allowed to share what they, their, they had to whisper if they wanted to tell you something, right? Or when we went to the libraries there and they only had books that started at Fidel, their history books started at fucking Fidel.
So if you're a kid and you wanted to, you you couldn't you didn't exist your grandparents didn't even whoever your essence didn't exist you know so and they had i've read a quote somewhere that the the uh yahoo guy that his father said that oh he didn't like arabs right and he didn't like the essence of arabs and that to me was just like a thing like that's the same type of shit it seemed like that Hitler would have said like I don't like whatever the the granule the grain I don't like the atom of this person I don't know man maybe and I don't know I mean it's it just makes me sad and the biggest thing it just breaks my heart like and so i know when that kind of shit's happening where my feel it's like that's where it comes from it's like you know it just like i don't know i've always had a barometer for like the underdog i think you know and maybe that's all maybe some of it's that too you know i don't know everything i don't history, you know, but but yeah, some of that shit, it just fucking hurts. We think about how many children have been killed.
How many kids have been killed over there? Estimation. I mean, the estimates, I think, are have been so far.
They're like undercounted. I think a lot more people than we initially thought are dying.
But it was I think I saw it. The estimation.
The estimate that two-thirds of the dead were women and children. So I don't know what exactly the breakup between the women and children is.
And I don't know if there are good numbers on that. But Gaza is 50% children.
That's one of the major things that makes it such a humanitarian nightmare. Well, yeah, because it sounds like such a fun place to kids, Gaza.
If you tell a kid, like, where are we going to go? You know what I'm saying? If you're like, we're going to go to Yemen or Gaza, they're going to go there. One of the parks at Disney World.
Yeah. And I don't mean that.
Epcot, Gaza. Dude, it's back here.
Conservative figures show that more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children were killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the last 12 months. I mean, this is way, way undercounted.
It seems like it to me, yeah. For today, as of right now, I think the estimates are much higher.
Dude, here's the toughest part. A lot of my Jewish friends are heartbroken by this, man.
And they'll come to me and we'll be talking about it because, and they're just like, it's just sick that this is the guy who's representing us and that this is the choice. I don't understand why.

But I guess if you live in Israel, then you feel like, well, these people are going to

kill us.

And so you don't have, you have to, you have no choice but to support your governor.

I mean, I don't know if you have no choice, but there, but there's definitely like, there's

this human impulse and it's, this is always what's going on with all these wars on both sides, right? Are we going. Get in trouble for talking about this.
Do you think? Yeah, probably. I don't know.
I don't know. But yeah, maybe I can't really get in any more trouble.
Have you been in a lot of trouble? Well, I've been talking about it so much for the last year and I don't know what trouble even means anymore. I mean, I'm fine.
So like some people seem mad at me on the internet, but I don't care. And so it's, I, it seems okay.
Um, but you know, of course, like you, I could totally imagine that if you were like, let's say it, one of your family members was killed by Hamas militants on October 7th. I could understand where you'd have the attitude.
You'd be like, man, let's go fucking fuck this. Yeah, attorney william wallace you know sure but that's but that also is the same thing that's going on with the palestinians right and so a whole bunch of them in fact a lot more of them have seen their family members killed and stuff and so they're ready to go you know like slaughter as many people as they can in the same sense that like right after 9 11 americans were like hey let's go let's go blow some shit up i I don't know.
You tell us who did this and let's go blow them up. And then like even if it's not exactly the people who did it, you know, OK.
I mean, when we fought the war in Afghanistan, even forget Iraq that just had nothing to do with it. But in Afghanistan, it's like it wasn't Afghans who attacked us.
It was it was some Arabs who were Saudi Arabians. Right.
It was Saudis and Egyptians, right? Who were hanging out in Afghanistan. And then we, the, with the special ops missions, we drove them all out and destroyed all their bases.
And then it was like, okay, we got this Taliban here. Now they're not exactly guilty of it, but well, something's got to be blown up.
And so we're going to go fight those guys. So, but then the thing is that if you, the thing with Osama bin Laden's letter is that you're like, oh, but that's kind of their motivation too.
Like they're also a bunch of people going, Hey, we just saw a bunch of our people get killed. We're going to come fuck some of you guys up.
And so that's kind of the attitude everybody has. Yeah.
Well, that's the crazy thing. It's like you use, and the toughest part is the people are the ones who have to go and shed the blood.
The people are the ones who have to have the blood shed based on what their leaders who they elect and they would never elect them and tell them to do that, then choose to do. That's what I'm just like, how does this, but then that's how things that's just being alive, I guess, in, in, in human sometimes as sad as that is, or that's just how humanity's gone for a long time and society has gone and war is gone.
But yeah, you have to think how many Iraqi people who had nothing to do with 9-11, if they had nothing to do with it, were affected by our military presence over there and are just waiting in the wings to affect harm on New America. Well, mean there's this is why we had to deal with that insurgency over there that took us so many years to ultimately lose to um you know there's people people don't like when you invade their country and destroy and destroy their homes and kill their relatives and stuff like that and yeah imagine if you think about that first that, first of all, nobody in Iraq had anything to do with 9-11.

I mean, there were some Al-Qaeda members

who came into Iraq to fight as part of the insurgency

after we invaded.

But like when we invaded,

there was no one in Iraq who had anything to do with 9-11.

And-

They must have been like, what the fuck?

Well, imagine particularly if you're like,

Saddam Hussein was their problem, not ours. Like Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator, but he wasn't our brutal dictator.
They were the ones who had to live under Saddam Hussein. So now they're living under this brutal dictator.
And then they got the most powerful military in the history of the world invading and just wrecking the country. All because, well, we could get into that, but largely because Netanyahu wanted us to do it.
Did he really? Netanyahu is a huge, huge part of the war in Iraq. Why do we keep supporting him? There's an interesting dynamic.
I mean, there's a lot of things going on. So part of it is that there's the, well, there were the neoconservatives who were really big in the George W.
Bush years, and they were, all of them fanatically pro-Israel. There's APEC, and there's the ADL and the Southern Poverty Law Center, and there are these organizations in the country that will, they, it is their business to ruin your life if you're against Israel, particularly if you're in politics and you're against Israel, I mean, they just poured insane amounts of money.
Uh, they lost, but they tried to get Thomas Massey, uh, primaried out of his Congress seat. He's the guy that doesn't want to have a pack guy, right? Yeah.
He's the only one who doesn't, according to him, the only one who doesn't have an AIPAC guy. So they do not like him.

But there's lots of other factors involved in this. There's also things like blackmail operations.
There's Epstein, stuff like that. And then there's also evangelical Christians in this country fanatically support Israel as well.
So there's like a whole bunch of forces that Israel has a, let's say a very outsized influence on U S policy. Is there something that I guess that, yeah, I guess I don't understand why we would support it while they're doing that murdering.
Yeah. Well, and then even if you, unless there's something I don't understand, like, that's also the thing that's like, or do we, are they just our best friend from a long time and that's just what it is and so it's like a like i i just i worry that i just also don't understand like the history of much as why um why there is so much support there well it's been but you have to have a support in the middle east you have to have like a friend in there well that's been that was the thinking for a long time right you know and that it's um and and that if we had you know there was a big concern a lot of people in the american security apparatus back in the day that the soviet union was going to take control of the middle east and if they really controlled that oil supply then they would be too strong and we'd have a real problem on our hands.
This is why Jimmy Carter, who just died, he in 1980 declared what's known as the Carter Doctrine, where he was like, listen, we are treating the Persian Gulf like it's America. Essentially saying to the USSR, they had already invaded Afghanistan.
And it was like, if you invade Iran, we are going to fight on, we're going to fight with the U.S. military because we won't let you have all of this.
So that's always been a concern. And I do think that Israel being kind of like our buddy there felt like, okay, this will be a good way that we can control the region.
But then, you know, this is a, yeah, he, this was at his State of the Union in early 1980. Yeah, the Carter Doctrine was a policy proclaimed by President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, in his State of the Union address on January 23rd, 1980, which stated the United States would use military force if necessary to defend its national interests in the Persian Gulf.
So there's a ton of business interests over there, and there's a ton of, like, peacekeeping or what we believe is peacekeeping over there. By the way, there's just a – it's interesting here, right? So this is – he's saying this in January of 1980.
It was in 1979 was when the Ayatollahs had the revolution in Iran. So this is – the government that's in Iran today, our mortal enemy, they had just come into power.
So what Jimmy Carter is talking about doing here is defending Iran against the Soviet Union, like this country now that is the one that they all want war with. Back then he was like, but if, you know what I mean, if Gorbachev or whoever was Gorbachev in there yet by 80, yeah, I think so.
Be like, if he goes and moves on Iran, then we're going to come to the defense militarily of Iran, which is just kind of weird to think about now. So this was saying that if the Soviets intervene, then we're going to come and defend Iran.
Yeah. And they had just – well, they had just lured them into the war in Afghanistan, which was also their plan.
And this guy, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who you see down there, he's the national security

at... um, lured them into the war in Afghanistan, which was also their plan.
And this guy, uh, is a big new Brzezinski who you see down there. He's the national security advisor.
He had been the one who really pushed this, this policy of luring the Soviets into Afghanistan, um, to give them their own Vietnam was the idea. And I, a lot of people credit that as one of the major factors that brought the Soviet union down.
Um, and so that we had lured them into a war in afghanistan but then they got real concerned that like while they're here they might also just go take around so we better send them a message like if you do that you're gonna have problems wow so that was the idea was to keep them out of there just shows you how much we've had like once you become this thing that's this entity that's trying to control everything, how many – it's hard to keep – they say it's hard to keep track of the lies or whatever.

That's not really it, but it's hard to – it just seems like hard to manage. It's hard to be an air traffic controller for the world, especially when the planes have different religions and ideas and histories and beliefs and, you know, hopes, you know, it's, that's.
Oh, it's insane. I mean, the job.
Yeah. I mean, imagine it's just impossible.
It's impossible. That's what I'm saying.
It seems impossible. And especially at a time when our own country is struggling so much.
And I don't know, I hope. Yeah.
mean to be like mean to Israel. I just don't understand.
I love my Jewish friends. I don't understand that shit though.
I don't understand why they're doing that over there. And then I think it falls in the power of the wealthier person to figure it out.
You know? Well, that's right. That's exactly right.

And it's that if you're coming from,

if you're in a situation where you're,

look, when it comes to Israel and Palestine,

it's not, there's no parity between the two of them.

It's not like, oh, these are two nation states

around the same strength.

Like Palestine isn't a nation state.

They don't have a government.

There's a halfway house of Arabs.

Yes, exactly. And so when Israel has all the power, all the leverage, all the chips, and if you're in a situation where everybody's saying, hey, you guys have been like at war for so long and we want peace.
Well, who's supposed to make the first concession when one side has all the chips? That's the thing. Obviously, you need that side.
push another bullying video at me yeah unless it that's going to be the first one that you fucking right site exactly that's the thing and that's the shit i don't understand sometimes um yeah i don't know i don't understand how we would have media that would be like so anti-bullying and then this fucking bullying is going on and it's like well what kind of who's believing you you know or what or what are we doing i don't know and also i don't fucking know dude and i'm like nine days up in nicotine so oh are you really yeah you gave up nicotine yeah good for you dude i mean i guess were you like smoking or vaping or just doing the pouches oh i would do um i was smoked i was um i was vaping okay i was vaping it's sad to say it as an adult too like slipping off just slurping on something i know i'm i'm i vape all the time i'm totally embarrassed by it i wish i was a man and i just smoked but i i don't know but uh yeah but if you go on your porch now and light a pipe somebody will shoot you with a fucking musket yeah and no one will feel bad for you everyone will side with that guy yeah it'll be like oh they're like free the slaves in the little fucking boat right up and fucking pop one in you. Um,

um, fucking musket yeah and no one will feel bad for you everyone will side with that guy yeah it'll be like oh they're like free the slaves and they'll just fucking pull right up and fucking pop one in you um but so do you believe that the tiktok ban what do you really believe or do you think we're still figuring it out do you think that our elected officials will uh let it stay around trump seems like he's wishy-washy on it he does yes he seems like he's not exactly clear what, and it's weird because the talk was initially, the talk was like that it was a China thing. And Trump always tried to be the most hawkish on China, but even he does seem like he's not, doesn't really seem like he's got strong convictions about getting rid of it.
My guess is that TikTok survives. I don't know if I'm right or wrong about that.
Frank McCourt and someone else is going to be buying TikTok, they said. So I think the thing is that if they sell, then they escape the legislation because basically it was saying it's because it's owned.
Their parent company is owned by the CCP or whatever. So, you know, I have a feeling I think that there's been there was a real move to really censor the Internet over the last few years.
it seems to me like it's failed and that they're just they've accepted they're not going to be able to do it as the deadline for a potential tiktok ban in the u.s approaches billionaire and former los angeles dodgers owner oh hell yeah frank mccourt's project liberty confirmed making a formal offer to bite dance the platform's chinese parent company to buy the social media giants's American assets. And he was going to do it in conjunction with one of the guys from Sharks.
Good evening, Sharks, whatever that show is. Shark Dance or whatever.
Shark Boy, no, there's a woman. Shark Tank? Shark Tank.
There you go. Shark Tank.
Who was it, Danny or something from Shark Tank? Oh, one of them billionaires was going to throw in? Kevin O'Leary. So him and Kevin O'Leary, I believe, don't quote me on that, was supposed to be.
The videos are short on TikTok, right? Isn't that the idea? Some of them now can be longer. Some of them can be, I think 90 seconds is the length on Instagram.
TikTok can be a couple minutes now. Here's a weird thing how the internet has kind of like very organically grown into almost, it's almost like long form or seven seconds.
Yeah. Like there's no, there's no like middle ground anymore.
It's always like, okay, we want to hear a four hour conversation or give me six seconds of whatever you got. And then we'll do a hundred thousand of those.
It is kind of true. Huh? TikTok videos can range from three seconds to 60 minutes long depending on how you film or upload the video.
Uh, but this also could have been from chat GBT. I don't know where from AI this fact.
And so who knows if they're harboring that from years ago. videos or images and tiktok stories can go up to 15 seconds long but they disappear after 24 hours if you put in the story so the way i look at it is kind of like it's like if you had like say like a buddy of yours or something was in like just an awful relationship you know like just like the chick he's with is like the worst oh it's like you hate her and she's shitty to him and she she's so mean to him she cheats on him she's just the worst and then like if he breaks up with her and he's with is like the worst.
Oh, it's like you hate her and she's shitty to him and she treats, she's so mean to him. She cheats on him.
She's just the worst. And then like, if he breaks up with her and he's like, I'm just dating, I'm dating a bunch.
And you're like, great. Thank God.
You're like back out there, go find someone else. That chick was a nightmare, you know? And they'd be like, well, I'm meeting some nice girls, but I'm meeting some real awful girls too.
It's like, ah, okay, well, whatever, just get out there. And that's kind of how I feel about about like i'm just happy that the young generation isn't consuming the corporate media and like i'm sure on tiktok they get some bad stuff and then they get some good stuff but at least you're out there like shopping around and you're not just listening to like cnn tell you that iraq has weapons of mass destruction and we need to go fight this war with them or just listening to msnbc tell you that trump's a russian spy or whatever it's like all right yeah get out there mingle a little bit see what kind of crazy person's on tiktok i don't know yeah one of them might be like oh it's you know one of them's like it's the jews and then someone else is like you know whatever the gays or whatever okay maybe some of them are wrong but at least you got a shot of meeting someone who might have something interesting to say to you.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's interesting, man. That's certainly, yeah.
Yeah. I think, yeah, at least you're kind of out there meeting people.
There's definitely, there's everything. There's like people shooting each other.
There's Mexican stuff. There's dancing.
There's, you know, bacchanalia. There's people getting their nails done.
Sometimes you pop into a live, you don't even know what's going on. You're just in some kids live and he's eating a burger.
There's some kid eating, look at this fucking burger. There's some kid like in a broth who lives like the under a brothel or something in Scotland.
And somebody gave him a big burger and he just made this video. He's like, look at this burger.
And it's like eight parties, eight parties stocked up boys. And it fucking went crazy.
Right. And that kid could be the next governor of Glasgow.
Right. But it's like, that's the thing I think.
Cause people also can maybe over time, maybe, um, they get to know you. I don't know what it is, but yeah, I think it's fascinating, man.
And TikTok, it does pull more of my information. And that's the only thing i just want it to be fair that's my thing i just want it to be fair don't say that this this truth can't come out if this truth can't come out like just make it fair you know what i'm saying if if america isn't a country that's american and it's a country that's owned by other countries tell me that if if that's the case, but just let me live through the truth.

Look, 100%, I completely agree.

And then also it's just like, I think,

like I was saying before,

I don't trust any of you motherfuckers

to be the arbiter of what is true and what isn't true.

So forget anyone having this control

over getting to decide what's misinformation or what's disinformation. Because it's like the old Lord Atkin quote about like- The Atkins diet? He's the original.
No, it was before that. He didn't figure that out.
But he's the guy who said- Lord Atkin or Atkin? Man, am I messing? Atkin, I believe. He's the one who said the quote about power corrupt power corrupt power tends to corrupt absolute power corrupts absolutely but it's like as soon as you have the power to determine what the truth is then you're corrupted already just by like having that power and i never liked fucking rich people anyway bro facts dude i fucking hated them i didn't hate them but i didn't fucking like them yeah you know i don't yeah i just i don't know and maybe yeah and i have money now and that's true but i'll never fucking really have money motherfucker you know what i'm saying not like deep inside of me you know what i'm saying yes like that part of me will never have any fucking money bro now you need three more generations of bonds before you're like a real rich prick who just thinks they're better like old money money oh deep inside dog i'm a real fucking wigger son you feel me um what else oh but kevin o'leary i think i wanted to get that right it was 250 million they offered to it investor and shark tank star kevin o'leary is willing to pay up to 20 billion for t TikTok, calling it a legacy opportunity.
I think that that is a steal.

Well, Elon bought Twitter for $44 billion, I think, right?

But he's getting his use out of it.

I mean, he doesn't sleep.

He doesn't seem to be enjoying himself on there.

Is he addicted to Twitter, do you think?

He tweets a lot.

How many tweets does he have right now?

Let's see how many tweets he has.

How many tweets?

And he tweets more than we think, I think, Dave. It's's constant i've clicked on his thing before and been like jesus how do we see how many it used to show you right up at the top 66.5 000 posts right up there right under his name at the top wait so hold on 66.5 000 posts i want to like i thought that's what it said can you find out how do you there you go right there 66.5 you see how many i have i'm curious how many tweets have i ever sent like i want to compare this to are you big on there davy i mean i use it pretty often yeah 22 000 all right i'm i'm falling long have you been on? I've spent too much time on Twitter.
2012, it says there. How long have you been on? Well, it says January 2012.
So I guess that's. And how long has Elon been on? Well, I guess he was on before, but when did he start really getting in? I think it was.
I think a lot of his have come recently. You know, like.
That year. Yeah, he's real.
And it'll be like late at night too.

And there'll be just like a bunch of them.

All hours.

Some of it's like a Barbados accent too.

He does.

He seems like he's enjoying.

He's enjoying kind of.

Bureaucracy.

Dogecoin.

Doge.

Doge.

Vivek.

Vivek.

Bas.

Yeah, it's very kind of archipelagian sometimes or something Barbadian. Yeah.
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Yeah, what's censorship? What do you think censorship looks like right now? Do you think it's changing?

um it seems to me it's definitely changing i mean really drastically and it's uh it's not gone

like there are still people who are getting censored and there are still there was a thing

like a couple weeks ago where i guess a group of people who let's say the people who um

liberals would call anti-semitic

Thank you. I guess a group of people who, let's say the people who liberals would call anti-Semitic.
And I think, you know, like people who talk a lot about the Jews, whatever the, I'm not like trying to add my own value judgment into this, but whatever you think you would call it, a lot of them lost their blue check marks and like stuff like that. What they were accusing people to do an anti-Semitic.
Yeah. Yeah.
So there was, there have been like, there are, but I mean, to compare it to like, I mean, during like 2020, 2021, 2022, I mean, you couldn't, if you said anything about like the vaccine or whatever, I mean, you know, I know you felt it with, you know, you had the thing when Dana White was on, you were talking about sponsors giving you a hard time and stuff. There was a total, not just on social media, but in general, there was a total feeling that you weren't even allowed to say anything that went against the regime.
The regime is this. That's a great point.
And if you are against what they're doing right now, there's always pressure. You'll get called names or something if you do that.
But for a while there, it was straight up like you would lose your accounts. And for a lot of people, like for me, that was a scary prospect for a long time.
Cause it was kind of like we had at least in the comedy world that I'm in and in the political shit talking world that I'm in it's I'd kind of long ago accepted like, okay, I'm not going to get like a corporate job. Like no big corporation is going to hire me at this point because, which is fine.
But then you're like, oh, there's this internet thing. So you can have your show on the internet.
You can have your own fans. You get out.
But then when you have your own voice, yeah. But then you're like, oh, they might come and take that away.
It's not just that you can't get Saturday Night Live or something on Comedy Central or something like that. But it's like, oh, they could come and like, you know, if you you could have your podcast.
But if you can't have if you can't be on iTunes or YouTube or Facebook or Twitter or whatever, you're kind of screwed in this world. And so I am very happy that at least now it at least kind of feels like the dominant culture seems to more be like, no, we should be able to say what we want to say right now.
I think that's a very positive change. But are you, are you think you're going to take me down for talking about Yahoo? No, I think you're going to be okay on this one, but I don't know.
I mean, you know, I would hate to say that. And then like, uh, next week you just show up at my house and you're just like hey man can i crash for a while because you you ruined me so that's i'm gonna be like all right but you can be anti-nyahu and not uh and that's you can i can have that belief if i want right if i don't like his practices of course and it's oh it's so ridiculous the idea of like in the same way if you were like well i don't like joe biden very much and you'd be like so does that mean you hate americans you're like what no i just don't like this guy and you could hate the whole government and not hate the people and then and it's only with israel and they intentionally do this where they conflate this thing where it's like oh if i have the if i like if i was like if i came and told you like you know the government of france just did this thing i think it's terrible what they did or and there's lots of terrible things that the government of france has done so i could pick some but like whatever doesn't mean i'm not going to cheer for cyril gone when he fights yeah you know and you were like you're an anti-frankite you hate all the french people you'd be like that doesn't even make sense as a response to i have a problem with the government you know um but they tried it they use that, you know, with Israel where it's like, oh, if you criticize them, you hate Jewish people.
That's stupid. It started becoming the boy that cried wolf because they would say that for everything.
And then it would be like, well, what do you, you're not even, you're, you're doing this. You're saying this, this isn't true.
Right. Yeah.
And it's not even clear sometimes. Like, what do you even mean by that?

Like, what are you even?

And also, I do think just like the whole woke ism stuff has been so rejected, especially recently that you're like, people are kind of sick of just like, like accusations of bigotry aren't actually a response to someone. You know, if you're like if if I say I think what Israel is doing is wrong and your response is you're a bigot

It's like no your response should be oh I say, I think what Israel's doing is wrong and your response is, well, you're a bigot. It's like, no, your response should be, oh, I don't think what they're doing is wrong.
And here's why. And then we could actually talk about it, but just to call someone like, oh, you're a Jew hater, you're racist, you're homophobic.
You're it's, it's just played out and tired. Yeah.
Let's talk about Zuckerberg a little bit. Cause he just had that kind of about face sort of on on and Facebook.
They just had that kind of about face on Rogan where he was talking about. Where's that clip? That clip.
Yeah, right here. We kind of says the Biden administration would call Meta to scream and curse it then to censor true information on their platforms.
This is what Zuckerberg said. Right.
What do you say? Play it real real quick a little bit of it these people from the biden administration would call up our team and like scream at them and curse and it's like these documents are it's all kind of out there did you record any of those phone calls i don't know i don't think i don't think we were but but i think i want to listen i mean their The emails are published. It's all it's all kind of out there.

And and they're like.

And basically, it just got to this point where we were like, no, we're not going to we're not going to take down things that are true.

OK, that's good.

They want us to take down this meme of Leonard.

What do you think about this? To me, I just don't know if I don't because Facebook didn facebook didn't do the best job of you know they had issues over the years with the hunter biden thing right with russia stuff where they wouldn't let people say this is bullshit like they really chose to decide what was misinformation so it just seems weird that suddenly people are calling and screaming i left like the simple facts and you're like is this it seemed like now you're trying to seem like like that wasn't happening the whole time and you weren't listening to it before type of vibe yeah it's a very like convenient retelling of history yes for zuckerberg to go um so the government was saying we have to censor these things that

are true. And we were like, no, we're not going to do that.
Okay. What really happened is the

government said, you're going to censor these things that are true. And he said, yes, sir.

And did it for eight fucking years. Okay.
And then at the end of these eight years,

when Trump wins a dominant victory, and now the guy who you kicked off of Facebook is now

I'm going to put it at the end of these eight years, when Trump wins a dominant victory, and now the guy who you kicked off of Facebook is now president again. And now the whole culture's turned against you and he's threatening to like, you know, like look into you.
He's coming. And there's a lot of like pretty quasi illegal stuff that was done.
So now you said, okay, we're not going to do this again. While Joe Biden is literally on his hands and knees, pooping his pants on the way out with terrible numbers and Donald Trump's coming in popular again.
So, okay. Yes.
So for him to spin that as the government said, we should do this thing. And we said, no, that's ridiculous.
Okay. That's not exactly what happened.
It seemed like he's just back here trying to slurp back on humanity now if you that's a slurp yeah i i i agree um now there's and this is why joe you know remains like the biggest show is because he just gets these moments but if you the last time he was on rogan's podcast was one of the most interesting admissions and it was before he had done this 180 and turned around. But when Joe asked him about the Hunter Biden thing, and he goes, so like the story with the Hunter Biden laptop, how did you guys handle that? And Zuckerberg said the FBI came to us and told us there's about to be a big Russian dump.
So they must have known that this laptop was about to come out. And they went to Facebook, told them preemptively, it's Russian disinformation.
And that's why they censored the whole thing. And that is like, that admission is like blatant election interference by the FBI against the sitting president, which makes it that even that much worse.
Because like in some, on some level, like if the FBI or the CIA or someone like that was like interfering in an election, you'd already be like, okay, that's crazy, illegal, unethical, uh, you know, unconstitutional. Like we don't have a democracy if we have three letter agencies interfering in elections.
Right. However, you'd assume at least they were doing it on the side of the president who they work for, not against the president who they work for.
Now we're in a level of like treason. Like you're working against the commander in chief who you're supposed to say, sir, yes, sir to and follow his rules.
You know, I mean, OK, you if you're at the FBI, you're in the under the Justice Department. But still, like the president is that this was in this was in trump was in office yeah but this is the one i'm referring to yes this one this is when or i don't know when the podcast was but he's talking about the hunter biden story which was october of 2020 so right before the election when trump is still in office okay let's play a little bit of that how do you guys handle things when they're a big news item that's controversial? Like there was a lot of attention on Twitter during the election because of the Hunter Biden laptop story, the New York Post.
Yeah, we have that too. Yeah, so you guys censored that as well? So we took a different path than Twitter.
I mean, basically the background here is the, I think, basically came to us, some folks on our team. It was like, hey, just so you know, like you should be on high alert.
There was we thought there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the 2016 election. We have it on notice that basically there's about to be some kind of dump of that's similar to that.
So just be vigilant. So our protocol is different from Twitter's.
What Twitter did is they said, you can't share this at all. We didn't do that.
What we do is we have, if something's reported to us as potentially misinformation, important misinformation, we also have this third-party fact-checking program because we don't want to be deciding what's true and false. And for the, I think it was five or seven days when it was basically being determined whether it was false, the distribution on Facebook was decreased, but people were still allowed to share it.
So you could still share it. You could still consume it.
Do we say the distribution has decreased? Okay, that's good. How does that work? So saying that they had some effect on it though.
Yeah, well, he goes on to say that it was a meaningful impact that turning down the signal had on it. But what's interesting is that he blatantly says that it was the fbi who came to them and like told them that this very true story which was a real scandal um that was an october surprise that you know very clearly could have moved the needle in the election they suppressed that for one reason only and that's because they wanted biden to win and not trump to win and zuckerberg played a big role in that.
Not as big, I guess, as Twitter at the old. Oh, yeah.
Dorsey admitted it. Yeah.
Yeah. And I look, I do think to some degree these guys are under duress from the government.
I mean, they're threatened and all types of pressure is put on them to go along with the censorship stuff. And to be you're basically become communication in the universe like you are like if everybody had to talk in like a hallway you're the hallway you know you were yeah well and and if you think about like even just the you know if you think about the how much government cares about controlling the narrative you know one of the things that's really interesting from the the more clip, the one we played first here, you know, he says that they were really upset about a meme.
Oh yeah, it was Leonardo DiCaprio. A Leonardo DiCaprio meme.
Like they were really upset about that. Which literally said, isn't that fascinating in a way that they are so threatened by like you making a joke about their bullshit.
But if you like zoom out, right. And think about it, it's like governments always insist on controlling monopolizing information, you know, controlling the narrative is the most important thing to them.
That's more important than controlling the money or the banks or the laws or anything. It's like controlling the narrative, controlling how people think, what the, the kind of like the range, the Overton window of allowable opinion or what, you know, and that's and you see it all the time.
You see they spaz out when people are just outside of the realm of allowable opinion. And even if you think about like the way think about the way our government's set up, we're like, OK, the government, there's like a group of, you know, services that the government has a monopoly on and they had a monopoly on the schools, uh, the post office, you know, like even, it's like wherever the information is coming from the media, the universities, you know, these are always the things that governments get involved in.
And then all of a sudden there's a revolution. And now the, you know, the public square is Facebook and Twitter and these social media.
So now these people are in control for the first time of this. So of course, and what really happened was after Donald Trump won in 2016, they really started cracking down on them.
because, because they're like, holy shit. The guy who wasn't supposed to win won, and he did it by utilizing social media and going around the corporate media and going around the political machine just to talk right to voters.
That really shook them up. And so, yeah, they hauled Zuckerberg and Dorsey and all of them before Congress.
They threatened the shit out of them. I'm sure he's right that they were on the phone cursing and screaming at him and putting all types of pressure.
So fine. If Zuckerberg, I would be much more sympathetic if Zuckerberg had come out on Rogan's podcast this time and been like, listen, I just I've under the weight of this pressure.
I gave in. Right.
And I became like a tool for the regime to censor people. But I don't want to do that anymore.
And so now I'm committing to this. I'd be like, yes, he's a hero.
But the way he kind of like yada yadas over like, anyway, the government wanted to do this stuff. I was like, no, man, I'm not going to do that.
I'm cool. Right, Rogan? You're like, yeah, not exactly.
It almost seems sometimes the way he he almost seems like a doll. Does he a little bit when you're, and I don't mean it in a bad way.
Um, I just mean it in an interesting way. I'm fascinated by the guy.
I mean, I can't imagine what his life is like or what he's like as a person, um, or what it's like to talk with them. I would love to have that opportunity, but I am, yeah, I'm just so curious as to like the pressure, if he it.
You know, they had that one moment where like they had all those families that had, people had been solicited or whatever. Young people had been caught by traffickers or like approached by traffickers or solicitation, sexual solicitation.
Can you bring that up? It was Zuckerberg before Congress. Watch the moment that Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg apologized to the families of victims during a hearing on online child safety.
That's what it was. ...tell television.
Would you like now to apologize to the victims who have been harmed by your pictures? Show them the pictures. Would you like to apologize for what you've done to these good people wow, that's good.
I think it just seems like a robot doing it. That wasn't great.
That wasn't a great moat. That's why I wondered, does he feel? It seems to me like he doesn't have a lot of feel in him.
Yeah, listen, that's, yeah, to apologize. I don't even exactly understand what they were like.
They're like parents of kids who got trafficked or something like that. And I'll have to look into that, yeah.
But that also shouldn't be done – like an apology like that shouldn't be done with reporters flashing all this. I also cannot stand – I'm sorry, but I just hate the grandstanding of politicians in Congress.
Like I think Zuckerberg's like response to that should have been, you preside over the biggest war machine in the history of the world. So if you want to talk about apologizing to innocent people who have got, you got your work cut out for you, you focus on your apologies, but I would love to invite like any of these parents, if they want to sit down in a private room after that, we can have a long conversation about this and then like give a real moment or like, you know,'t someone like loses their kid or their kids raped or tortured or something it can't just be like a i'm sorry that happened and we are working hard to make sure it doesn't happen in the future you want to sit down and be like hey that's a great tell me your story and don't even hear from me let me hear from you you tell me your story and then i'll try to like empathize with what you've gone through but yeah that's a great point they shouldn't they shouldn't put him on the spot to do it right there because that wasn't really helpful um because they're not looking for a sincere apology they're looking for a political stunt to be like i got zuckerberg to admit right that he had you know is wrong the families always get wheeled out for that kind of stuff and i also don't like that the air is always like it's always what you should be censoring.
And like, listen, I'm sure we would probably agree, right? Like if there are people trying to traffic kids or something like that, like, yes, okay, you'd want to kick those accounts off or report them to the police or whatever. But it's always Congress like talking about how dangerous the freedom that people have is on your site.
Oh, it's so dangerous that people can communicate and people, you got to clamp down on this. And it's like, personally, I'm much, what is it? The old, I think it's a Thomas Jefferson quote, or maybe I'm getting that wrong.
Actually, it's not Jefferson, but whatever the quote was like, it might've been Hamilton, but it was like, I'd rather deal with the inconveniences of too much liberty than those associated with too little of it. You know, it's like, I'd rather, it's always like, they're always warning you about the problems of too much freedom.
Oh, everyone can communicate. That means people are going to come get your kids.
I'm like, I'm sure that is, there is that concern. And like, you know, I got little kids.
I'm, I'm concerned about that stuff, but I also kind of feel like, okay, I'll handle making sure my kids don't, you know what I mean? Get, you know, taken advantage of on the internet. And how about the government get the hell out of the way so we can tell the truth? Yeah.
It was Thomas Jefferson. See, I should be sure of myself.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much, attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it. Yeah, I agree.
Why not err on that side of it? Yeah, Facebook has had issues. I mean, remember when they had, there was a thing where they had, there was like these Kenyans or something.
See if you can look that up. They were looking up information.
They were using people in Africa to look up. They were the fact checkers or whatever.
And I think it was a lawsuit. Facebook content moderators in Kenya called the work torture.
Their lawsuit may ripple worldwide. I'm not even sure what happened with this.
When was this? Oh, it's 2023. Okay.
On the verge of tears, Nathan Nkunzimana recalled watching- I admire you for trying. Oh, thank you.
Yeah. On the verge of tears, Nathan Nkunzimana recalled watching a video of a child being molested and another of a woman being killed.
Eight hours a day, his job as a content moderator for a Facebook contract required him to look at horrors so the world wouldn't have to. Now Nkunzimana is among nearly 200 former employees in Kenya who are suing Facebook.
It's so wild. Let me see.
The group was employed at the social media giant's outsourced hub for content moderation in Kenya's capital of Nairobi, where workers screen posts, videos, messages, and other content from users across Africa, removing any illegal or harmful material that breaches its community standards and terms of service. Can you even imagine having to moderate the stuff in Africa? Someone's job is actually to watch a child being molested and then be like, nope, that video can't go up on Facebook.
This is bad. The moderator from several, and that wasn't a fun time to joke.
I'm sorry. That wasn't funny.
And I love Kenya. I've been to Mombasa.
I love Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico.
I love it. I've been there.
Oh, no. Do not touch that girl.
You're okay so far. You're okay so far.
Nope. You are banned.
The moderators from several African countries are seeking 1.6 billion compensation fund. Oh, that's a lot of money.
After alleging poor working conditions, including insufficient mental health support and low pay. Wow.
I wonder what happened to that lawsuit. If you find out that something happened, let me know.
But they've had issues over there. And I'll say this.
Well, that's not really it. But I can't imagine having to be actual person doing that work.
But that's what it comes down to.

You're basically having to moderate the entire world of communication. You've taken on that responsibility.
Well, and I know that it was, I think, when the – I think it was the Egyptian revolution, which didn't last that long. but they what they when they a real i i believe and forgive me because i haven't like i'm not the expert on this at all i haven't read that much about it but like when they overthrew mubarak i think that was like a real genuine revolution where like the the people really did agree like we want this dictator gone but i remember that they were it this was um what year was Mubarak overthrown? I want to say it was like 2010.
2010? That was in Kenya? No, this is in Egypt. But I do remember that that was one of the things that people were making a big deal of was that there were these giant protests that ultimately ended up bringing down the government.
And it was all organized on social media. You know, everybody's like, oh, we'll meet up here.
The protest starts here. And then it was like almost like the first time that they were like, whoa, there's real power in these things.
And, you know, if you could 2011. So like, oh, the power of social media.
Yeah. That's just like, yo, I mean, you're going to get if you could overthrow governments with these things, you're going to get, you know, you're going to get a lot of attention from governments who are going to be very concerned about what's going on on these sites.
Yeah. Well, it's just interesting.
At what point do you think that there could be a revolution in America? Because if people don't trust the FBI now, they don't trust the CIA now, you're not sure that your FBI isn't out to get your own it's like who what is even like it's well right and then and then on top of that like you had say someone like Donald Trump look the first time Donald Trump ran right all of the political class all of the media all of Hollywood they all said this guy is unacceptable you cannot guy. He still won, but he also won on like a razor thin margin, lost the popular vote and just happened to win the right swing States against Hillary.
So there was like a little bit of a caveat. But then after January 6th, with how much they pumped into like, this is the worst thing ever.
And look at this horrible guy. You could never support him.
Then they go after him with the, uh, with the legal cases. Then he almost gets his brains blown out on national television.
And then after all of that, all the years of he's a Nazi democracy is over. He's Hitler.
The American people go, well, we like him even more now. Like that's just so crazy.
It's so crazy that there's just trust in every American institution has evaporated. They have nothing.
I mean, it's unbelievable that the most famous Hollywood celebrities can't move the needle at all. The entire- In fact, it's an ant time movement.
If they get, the second one of them is involved, I'm fucking out. Well, that's right.
It almost like, well, that is, And I mean, look, even me, I will admit I'm guilty of it, too, that I right away, you know, you see another celebrity. They'll be endorsing Kamala Harris tonight.
And I'm like, what did you do at the ditty party? What do they got on you? You know, what do you like? It's just there's so much mistrust of the whole thing. And it's, you know, the thing about it is, is a lot of us like I said this in our conversation already today at one point, I don't even remember if it was about Russiagate or COVID or what, but I said all those people still have their jobs or whatever.
You know, if you look at the New York Times or you look at CNN or all these places, they still got people there who sold us the war in Iraq and they still have their jobs. You know, like they didn't get fired.
These people make great money. They're still at the and nothing, but it's like, it's something almost like spiritual.
There's always a price. Even if you think there was no consequence, Oh, there is a consequence.
And so like, you just think for so many years, they lied us into wars, the, uh, into financial recessions. They, they lied about everything about COVID.
They lied about Russiagate. They lied about all this they lied about joe biden not being senile they lied about kamala harris not being retarded they lied about everything they could think of and there is a price for that and the price is that no one believes you anymore yeah not even the people that believed you believe you that's what's crazy yeah is watching people that were like devout believers come on over and not and be like i just don't believe these people you know and there's so many people like that so like could there be a revolution i mean you know there's the american government is still so powerful it's not like they're getting overthrown anytime soon right but and we're not saying that government no if government.
No, if the, if the government is listening, I've, I've highly recommend everybody follow the law. Um, but there is, there, there's been a revolution in communication already.
There's been a revolution in the media. I mean, they all, this happened a while ago, but after this election, they all kind of admit it.
They all kind of admit that like, look, like Donald Trump did like your show and Schultz. Oh, that blew my mind.
And this was a huge factor for him, you know, and this was and I will say I think particularly yours was I mean, obviously Rogan's was was humongous. But particularly the interview with you saw like a much different side of Donaldald trump than i'd ever seen before and that's crazy it's crazy that there's been this revolution i mean crazy you know there's there hasn't been there's not a lot of people where i'm from who even get to ask questions a lot i think i don't think there's not a lot of there's not a lot of people where i'm from who ever even getting to raise their hand in front of a president and ask a question about something that means something to them you know a lot of times um yeah you just get pigeonholed into being some type of way and so then as a person as part of even just a group you start to feel like well i don't even fucking exist you know i'm saying and i think that's part of how i always felt my whole life i don't even nobody nobody gives a fuck about a poor off-white kid you know what i'm saying that's the last fucking group.
And so, yeah, I think, I don't know. I don't know what I'm saying, man.
I think it's a really great point. I mean, if you think about it, like, at least my whole life, right? Well, finally, we made our own voices because you don't even see that I am a voice.
You don't even think I have a fucking voice. And so, finally, you don't think, and you also, you't think i'll work hard enough to fucking put my voice out there they called it flyover country yeah that's what they call flyover country and what is flyover country everything except new york and la right the whole rest of this annoying country that you got to fly over on your way from new york to there.
If you think about like when we grew up,

me and you grew up in the era of the TV, there wasn't, we didn't watch it on YouTube and stuff, you know, this didn't exist. We watched what was on TV and TV was made in New York and LA.
That's where it was made. And every show, whether it was Seinfeld or friends or whatever, it was all these shows were about living in a city on the coast and they were about people who live there.
And then just think about how bizarre that is. You have this giant country that occupies the middle part of North America called the United States of America.
It's this huge country and you only have representation from these two coastal cities. And this has now been totally blown open where it's like, yeah, I think for the first time people in the middle of the country, in the south of the country can actually have a voice.
And why shouldn't they when there's tens of millions of people who like fall into those categories? Yeah. Look, it's crazy to me being in standup comedy.
Uh, it's been a total revolution since the, when I started like the, the path for how you become successful is so different. Podcasts weren't a thing when I first started.
And so having a revolution in government that still seems like we're not there, but there has been a huge cultural revolution in over the last 15 years. In communication or in what is it called i think i think in in media in entertainment and in comedy and yeah so trump has his new cabinet picks right has he picked all of them yet or not yeah i think i think he's picked all i mean there might be some more like smaller positions that he still gets to pick like judges and stuff like that but i he's picked, I think he's picked his cabinet.

What do you feel like?

Who are some of your favorites?

Who are some you're kind of on the fence about?

Doug Collins got fucking picked.

The coach,

the basketball coach.

Remember he was with the wizards,

dude.

Wait,

are you talking about Jordan's coach,

Doug Collins,

or is this someone else?

No,

that's a different Doug Collins.

Oh,

damn.

Who's that guy?

Doug Collins was, got the bulls right there. And then Phil Jackson came in and took all the glory I remember that dude um that's a great point that's never really talked about is it but what about uh his some of his cabinet picks who do you like where are you at with some of that um I love uh okay well the best ones to me by far were Bobby Kennedy for health department was just amazing.
I think that's really going to shake things up. Is he one of the first doctors that's never been in charge of the health department? That's a good question.
I don't know. No, I think the guy who's the head of it now was a lawyer too.
So I'm not sure. but he is the first like real outsider and real critic of the american like health state um and so that's really interesting he also put uh which i'm sure has a lot to do with bobby being at uh hhs but he put jay bodhacharya as the new uh head of the draft kings the jay bodhacharya yeah he.
Oh, dude. Yeah, well, he's got a, I think he's Indian.
I don't know. Oh, Bhattacharya's Indian? Wow.
I might be wrong about that. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
But he was one of the signatories on the Great Barrington Declaration. He was amazing during COVID.
He's like a brilliant, he's got a degree, I think, in economics and in science. Jay Bhattachary, bring him up.
It sounds like he's from Madras, New Jersey, dude. Bring him up, Jay Bhattachary.
Let's get a little gander at him. I just want to get a peek at him.
I haven't seen his face before. Bhattachary.
Oh yeah, I like this guy, huh? He was phenomenal during COVID. Really? Like a goddamn hero.
Just calling out all the bullshit. I would love to interview him.
Dude, that would be great. A super, super smart scientist who's like really understood why lockdowns were terrible and why the vaccine mandates were insane and all of that stuff.
So he got Fauci's old job. Really? Which is going to be real interesting.
Yeah, head of the NIH. Heck yeah, that's cool.
Now, all these guys got to be confirmed by the Senate still, so that's not done. But the other great pick was Tulsi Gabbard as director of national intelligence.
Macari, do you know who that is? Marty? I'm not sure. Marty Macari, can you look him up Marty McCary for FDA Commissioner oh yeah I don't know I don't know enough about this guy he has a great book called The Price We Pay bring up one of his books I want to talk with this guy it's about the insurance the whole the scam what broke American healthcare there's another great book he has too dude one of his books, he has this thing where they were going to black churches, okay? He's a surgeon.
Let me see. Martin and El McCarrie is a British American surgeon, professor, author, and medical commentator.
Where they were going to, they were convincing, giving people scans at their churches, showing them that they needed like their blood vessels dilated or shunts put in their legs. And it was just, and doctors were making a ton of money through Medicaid.
It was just this big scam. And a lot of the doctors were funding the groups that would go, and they would do it at black churches and black religious get-togethers.
And they'd have tables set up, and they were just just using these people basically sending them through as just like a fucking uh as a um varicose vein mill you know wow unreal and just making tons of money i'm sure yeah but he he talks about that he talks about a lot of neat stuff oh that's another one blind spots when medicine that's what i've been reading when medicine goes wrong that's one that i've been reading but he seems like an interesting guy but he got put in that's what i'm excited about um gabard you said who else is in there um uh uh cash patel uh who's took over the fbi oh really i director who is he was a huge critic of like russiagate and a lot of the crazy stuff that a lot of the election interference that the fbi has been doing again you know we're gonna see how there were reports out um i'm not sure if this is true or not but that tulsi gabbard was saying she's changed her mind on government surveillance and now she's okay with the intelligence agencies spying on us you know dc has a way of poisoning people but how does that happen but also i'm not throwing her under the bus or nothing like that i think maybe she's saying what she needs to say to get confirmed and then she'll do some really great stuff could that be something that happens quite possibly it's you know it's hard to say but it is like there's all types of pressure and and then there's probably pressures that i don't know about at all that when you're actually on the inside there's probably probably all types of threats and things like that that you got to deal with. So I think these these picks were all very, very good.
He had a bunch of really bad picks that I did not like. Let me see.
Let's finish this one. The Gabbard 43 was born in the U.S.
territory of American Samoa, raised in Hawaii and spent a year of her childhood in the Philippines. Yeah, she's definitely I love the way that she talks.
I love how just her own, she always seems to have her very own voice. But when you get in, who compromised? What did they use to compromise? You think that's what I always wonder.
I mean, I think, I don't know. You just, do you think they just say, you're going to have to do what we want or we're going to kill you? You think that's what it is? It's possible.
I mean, I wouldn't put it past some of these people. There are a lot of killers in our government.
You know, I also think that sometimes it's just the way the machine works. And it's like, well, you're never going to be able to do anything unless you do this or unless you do that.
You know, it was real interesting the way they're the way that the way that Obama got rolled when he first came in and he had a lot of these plans, like we were going to end these wars and we're going to do all these things and we're going to, and he just immediately ran up against the machine. And it was like, you have no idea how to actually control this thing.
And I got to say, I think that happened a lot to Trump too, when he first came in and Trump had a lot of plans. And I think that, I think Donald Trump looked at it like,

Hey, I've been the CEO of this big company. I've been the boss before I'll go be the boss again.

But it's like, that's not how this one works. This is a whole different thing.
It's not like

when you're really the boss and you dictate orders and everyone follows them. And he, you know,

Donald Trump, he ran in 2016 on what was such a great idea at the time was, and he used to say this on the campaign all the time in 2016, because back then the war in Syria was still going, well, he's like raging. And he would go, why are we even in Syria? I don't care about overthrowing Bashar al-Assad.
He goes, Russia said they're only in Syria to kill ISIS. I was like, okay, well, we want to kill ISIS too.
We're against the terrorists. He goes, so why don't we stop trying to overthrow regimes in the Middle East, work with Russia to take out all the terrorists, and then we could just leave the Middle East.
And then we could all be friends. We could be friends with Russia.
And he openly ran on that. I was like, yeah, that's a great idea.
Except then you get in there and the media is saying you're a Russian spy every single day, all day long. So now how are you going to make a deal with Russia? Right.
When everyone's saying you're a Russian spy. Oh, they tricked you then because.
If you make a deal with Russia, that'll just be proof that you're a Russian spy. And so then Donald Trump went, no, I'll be hawkish toward Russia.
And so he went out of his way to prove what a Russian spy he wasn't, which is like, oh, so they got you. So you couldn't do what you wanted to do.
And instead you got to do this. But this time they may not have the value of the media.
Well, that's, they don't, they for sure don't. I mean, I think, I think, and, and.
Unless they come and kill all the podcasters and stuff. Do you think that they could do that? Have you ever worried about your own safety? No, I don't know.
I've always, I've always felt like I float, I fly at a nice, you know, I'm far enough from the sun that I'm, I'm okay. I don't know i've always i've always felt like i float i fly at a nice you know i'm far enough from the sun that i'm i'm okay i don't know what i'm even doing well right so i'm not and also i just i do think like there's too many of us and there's too i think like the toothpaste is out of the tube on this and i don't think i think even they've finally realized that like even if you know it's funny when they were coming after rogan a couple years ago when there was that major push and the artists were you know uh um neil young was saying i'll take my music off spotify or whatever yeah i remember talking about it then and you're like so what do you what do you guys even think happens like let's say let's say hypothetically you could take joe rogan out right? What do you think? His audience goes back to CNN.

You think everyone who was listening to that is going to go, okay, I guess we plug back into the matrix now. They're just going to find somebody else.
They're going to find someone else, probably more radical. You know what I mean? Probably not less.
And so I think they even kind of know they can't really, you know, stuff. But I do think I think the two things that make it that make the dynamic very different this time for Trump.

Well, like, like you said, it's that the corporate media has been destroyed, but the two things that really destroyed them since the first Trump president presidency to this one is Russiagate and COVID. They just, they were such big stories and they got them so wrong and everyone kind of knows it now like nobody you know nobody believes in russiagate anymore nobody is sitting on no one on television is going a russian spy is about to retake the white house but none of them are saying that none of them are saying hey we were wrong about all of that but if they weren't wrong why wouldn't they still be freaked out about it you know amazed that none of them ever come on and said, Hey, you know what? I want to apologize for wasting your fucking time.
That's what I want to do. I want to apologize that we didn't care enough to even really look into things truly.
And that we wasted your time. That would be like a real thing to do.
Like I just, yeah. It's like, that's why, you're like, are the people running this thing? Do they have any human feelings? Because that's why I don't see a lot.
It's like, you would think if you really cared about your customer base at all, right. You would go and say, Hey, I'm sorry.
I got this wrong. We, this was wrong.
Or we didn't, we didn't know it was wrong, but we didn't even try to do our best practices.

We got caught up something.

Listen, man.

I mean, they hate they fucking hate this country and they hate the people of the country.

And I don't like just say that to be like to make a sensational claim.

But it's like if you if if my kids are were hungry and I was feeding other kids, what conclusion could you draw from that other than you don't love your children? You hate your own children. Because that's your number one responsibility.
What do you mean you're feeding other kids while your kids are going hungry? It's just too evil to even wrap your head around. And that's literally what our government does.
Do, yes. Especially right now.
What they do is they feed other countries that don't need it, by the way. You know, not just the ones who maybe do, but ones who don't.
While our people are here, like, starving. I mean, I'm not trying to, like, overstate it.
Like, there's mass starvation. But I should say surviving a hurricane or fires or whatever.
Oh, I agree. I was thinking today, it was like, hey, well, Ukraine, Zelensky, can you give us back some of our money so we can pay our teachers better, so we can feed people who are starving in our own country, so we can get homeless people off the streets, so we can help cure some of our mental health, so we can help repair some of this fire damage for people that were uninsured or help the displaced people that are over here.
Just countless things. I mean, I could go on and on, but it's like, yeah, it just feels like we're just being money laundered a lot of times.
Well, even just, and to like- And I know those people have problems, but it's like, the perfect example for me was that Karen Bass lady with the LA fires, right? I've never heard of her before and she seems like a nice woman i bet she's um a great woman but she was in ghana unless she was on vacation she was in ghana africa while this was happening and if she was on vacation then do she should be able to do whatever she wants and she should be able to do whatever she wants anyway um just in los angeles mayor freezes up this is exactly how people should be treated do you owe citizens for being absent while their homes are burning you regret cutting the fire department budget um do you think you should have been visiting ghana while this was unfolding back home but can you look up was she in ghana on vacation that's what i need help on um but she's in ghana but it's like why are you even in ghana like you're mayor of a town. And they knew that like big wind storms were coming and they knew that like, this is a danger, you know, with wildfires and stuff.
So it's just, you would expect you'd be around there, but it is, you know, it's hard to point fingers at this point though. Like, it's like, obviously things were bad.
They had that reservoir that was dead empty. That was was like took countless millions of dollars and held

millions of gallons of water um just a lot of bet just you know i don't know it's heartbreaking what's happening up there is heartbreaking but that's the weird part it's like why is she even you you have people we have how much do the people have to suffer or be struggling in our own country for our own country to be like here.

And who – how are we electing these people that aren't saying here, America, we're going to help you first? Yeah, it's unbelievable. It's totally outrageous, man.
How is that happening? I just don't understand how it's happening. Well, I mean I do think perhaps it's kind of like what you said earlier.
Like part of this is that we have just like acquired such a level of wealth and power as a country that it's almost like, you know, the politicians who now control the tax base of the American people. They feel like gods where they're like, we can do all of this stuff.
I mean, I remember when and I think this was sincere. I think Joe Biden actually heard and understood this question and had a moment of being lucid.
But it was when the war in Gaza first broke out and some reporter asked him and was like, they were like, well, you know, you're all in on this war in Ukraine. You've already given them hundreds of billions of dollars.
And now you're saying you're going to support Israel. Like, are you sure America can take on another war that we have to foot the bill for now? And he goes, of course, this is the United States of America.
Of course we can do it. Who said that? Rick, is your Joe Biden? Joe Biden.
Yes. And I'm sure in some way, Joe Biden like believes that, you know, like Joe Biden is a is a child of the unipolar moment after the Soviet Union collapsed.
And America is dominant. We can do whatever.
We can do anything. This is America.
We can do whatever we want to. It's like, you just haven't updated this script because it's 30 years later now.
And no, we can't just do whatever you want to. And we just found out through this, it's like, okay, yeah, we could do whatever we want to, but we can't tax people enough to raise the money and we can't borrow enough to get it.
So we have to print the money. And then we deal with this price inflation we've been dealing with for the last few years.
It just like destroys working class people. And it's like, yeah, I guess if you don't care about that, we can do it.
But if you do care about that, then actually, no, we can't. We don't have limitless funds.
And I'll just say with this, right? Look, you think about the United States of America, the federal government, it's the biggest, most powerful government in the history of the world by far, by any metric. And yet, as we're doing everything, as we're backing the war in Israel, as we're backing Israel's war, we're backing Ukraine in this war, we're overthrowing regimes all around the world.
We're talking about what the, they have a summit where they talk about what the temperature is going to be in a hundred years. The government's trying to manage everything.
And yet the most basic functions of government have all gone to shit. We can't win our wars.
We can't balance our budgets. We can't protect our borders.
Post office sucks, dude. I was in the post office like three weeks ago, right? There's no, there's a home.
I want to say, I don't want to say homeless, but pretty homeless guy in there, right? Yelling agate over it over and over again right just yelling it into the fucking distance or whatever and dude i'm second in line right so i'm like you know but nobody even came to help him we're in there for seven minutes i just walked out i'm like you know that's the thing but that's the u.s postal system in a nutshell and and california is a little microcosm of this right it has the biggest budget of any state government. And they're trying to turn our whole country into that.
They're trying to do everything. They're trying to say, oh, we're going to have electric cars and we're going to have a new power grid and we're going to have all of this.
Meanwhile, the most basic service, like make sure your fire department has enough water in the area that is known for wildfires spreading. Like the most basic thing you fail miserably at.
And then you're going to talk about all these pie in the sky visions of how you're going to run the world and do all this shit. And it's like, no, you're not good.
You're not good at this. You're not doing anything right.
And there is something interesting about that where it's like when you try to take on way too much, you end up failing at the most basic responsibility that you have. Yeah.
Oh, always. Yeah, man, it's wild.
And also, when you push, when you position yourself as this, we will handle it all, you don't let other societies and cultures kind of create their own narrative and wherewithal for themselves, you know, in a weird way, you know? Um, Oh, I think that's absolutely right. Yeah.
Oh, I think that's true. That's true.
Like internally in America and throughout the world, but even like you see, like you see, like in America, like the rise of the welfare state, like when it was really in the sixties and seventies, when, when welfare huge, and then churches get diminished. You know, it's like, oh, because that used to be what people would do if they needed help, is they'd go to the local church and kind of ask them to help.
So it's like, oh, as you try to take care of everything, you end up killing and boxing out this other more organic thing where the people themselves would actually figure out like who in the community needs help.

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All three of them had stage four cancer. All three of them don't have cancer right now at all.
Preach. And they had some serious stuff going on.
And what did they take? Jesus. They took some, what you've heard they've taken.
Ivermectin. Femendazole.
Femendazole. Yeah.
Yeah's yeah i'm hearing that a lot they drank hydrochloride something or other there's studies on that now where people have proven that people are drinking methylene blue and okay yeah methylene blue which was a fabric dye okay stop now we're getting into breaking bad territory that's part of the that's the wild part of that you know yeah look man i mean my my default on this is to go i probably think that's not true like i don't know but i also do i i don't know a lot about like medicine and the health stuff but i will say my my eyes were definitely opened over covid to like how corrupt the whole thing is and so it is almost like now when people say stuff like that i'm a lot more be like all right i'm listening yeah like maybe yeah over 12 ounces give me 12 ounces of methylene blue you know what i'm saying i'll try it i don't know i mean like if i had give me a chaser if i had stage four cancer and like they were like there's nothing we can do i'd i'd be like hey joe can you get me mel gibson's number i want to talk to him and his buddies about what they did. I don't know.
Why not? Oh, yeah. I would be drinking fucking pool water or whatever happened, you know, whatever it needed.
Did – what was one thing else that happened the other day? Yeah, we're supposed to start shooting a movie. Me and David Spade wrote a movie.
And we're supposed to start shooting it last week in L.A. But the fires – so now it's just up in the air.
It's been like kind of bizarre, you know, but the weirdest thing about LA that I'm hearing is like, I'll get a text from a friend or talk to a friend who's crying, you know, their home is burnt down. Then I'll get a call from a friend who's like, Hey man, do you want me to go over by your place and move your car to my apartment or whatever? Because in case the fire switch went and I'm like, I think I'm okay right now.
And, and I was like, what i was like what do you have to be like i'm going to a couple auditions today you know and so it's just such a great there's still normal shit happening in the middle of all of this yeah yeah yeah it's interesting and that guy lives right i mean he's going along the 405 like right where the border of like where the next evacuation it's just it's amazing i remember when i lived there during some of the last fires you'd be driving the 405 and there would just be fire on both sides and it almost feels like um it's uh like that uh what's that place in florida with the adventure park or whatever six flags it almost has us because you can't believe that it's real i know and you're in hollywood where shit is a lot of things are made and manufactured and created so you're like well of course this isn't real well it's one of the things about cities that are real strange like these modern cities where there's millions of people and i saw this a lot during covet particularly in new york and la where it's like it's almost like there's nothing that people won't just adjust to because they're kind of trapped there. You can't really get out.
You can't, you know? And so it's almost like, all right, well, they're doing this now. All right.
I guess we got to live that, you know, in New York, it's just like, all right, there's homeless people all over the subways. That guy's jerking off.
I guess I got to just like walk around him and get to my work. Cause I got it.
What else am I to do? Better bring my cumbrella with me. Yeah, this is the kind of stuff it was.
This is very intense. This must have been 2017 from Andrew Mutz.
Wow, that's a wild picture. But bro, this same highway, same spot, Skirball Drive.
Keep playing that for a minute. I mean, that's insane.
Like, how should you be able to drive this close it's just i mean yes there's something very bizarre about the like juxtaposition of just going about your daily life while this craziness is happening right there people live there there's people yeah like someone right now in that car like someone's wife calls their cell and they're just like would you mind stopping at the store on your way home like we're out of milk or whatever they go okay fine i'll stop by there and then just look out their window and they're like oh god's angry all right yeah gosh hey uh siri play uh spotify play uh firework by katie pair you know i'm saying there's somebody picking up a song and then realizing oh maybe not right now or some guy smoking is like oh it's already fucked anyway you know it's like what is this really going to be the problem it's just people be it's just people are still going to be people um what else was something else that i wanted to talk to you about oh uh some of the trump's picks that you're not excited about um marco rubio at the state department i hate and what does the state department do well i mean there it's a pretty big responsibility i mean there is the state department basically interacts with the rest of the world on behalf of the united states of america and in recent years i mean the state department is is involved in a lot of war making even as much as the defense department is and I mean, the State Department is involved in a lot of war making, even as much as the Defense Department is. And I mean, the two examples I could think of like right off the top of my head were the war in Libya overthrowing Gaddafi was enormously led by the State Department under Hillary Clinton.
And in 2014, the backing the Maidan Revolution that overthrew Yanukovych in Ukraine was mostly done by the State Department. And so Marco Rubio is like a real neocon war hawk and has been for many years.
What does neocon mean? Well, neocon at this point has kind of, like I'm using it in kind of the informal sense. It's basically just come to mean like the war hawks who push for war after war.
Oh, they want war. Always more regime change wars, always the next target, always the next thing.
The neoconservative, like the self-identity, Marco Rubio is not a self-described neocconservative. The people who actually called themselves neo-conservatives was actually like a small group of people.
This is the Wikipedia probably has some good information on it here. But these were guys who really, they really took power under George W.
Bush. A lot of them were in Reagan's government and in George H.W.
Bush's government. But they really took over when George W.
Bush was in power. But yes, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Douglas Fype, all these guys, Paul Wolfowitz.
Yeah. Do they make, do we think that they make money off a war? Well, it's a fact that a lot of them work at think tanks that are funded by weapons companies.
It's a fact that Dick Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton. I mean, like these things are true.
So they are connected to interests that make lots of money off the wars. But so there, a lot of them basically were, they were not all, but a lot of them were Jewish.
And a lot of, they were leftists who came over and kind of became conservatives in the second half of the 20th century. And they were – so they – in the 90s, there were these – there was one major think tank that was called the Project for a New American Century.
And they basically wrote out all their plans of like what they wanted to do back in the 90s. And the major thing was that they wanted – the Project for a New American Century, the idea of it was that – Right, so it was a neoconservative think tank in D.C.
And a lot of these same people, I mean Robert Kagan and William Crystal were the guys who founded it. But if you look through the name of signatures, you'll see Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, a lot of these guys.
Now they basically, this was, if you could imagine, in the 90s, this is right after the Soviet Union collapses. This is what Charles Krauttenheimer, who's another neoconservative, who's dead now, he called the unipolar moment.
And what that meant was that, it was like, hey, for the first time in the world, for the first time in the history of the world, there is one global superpower that is more powerful than any other country that's ever existed. Now that the Soviet union's gone, it's ours.
So what do you want to do? Now there was this big divide amongst conservatives, a lot of conservatives, uh, what are called the paleo conservatives was like Pat Buchanan and guys like that. They were like, well, now that the Cold War is over, we can come home.
We were fighting this war because it was the Cold War, because it was the Soviet Union. But now that the Soviet Union is gone, we can disband NATO.
I want to listen to some Don McLean. That's right.
Close all the bases, bring everyone home. We could go back to being a normal country was the idea.
We don't have to rule the world. We were never supposed to rule the world.
And Pat Buchanan's idea, they were only doing this because the Soviet Union existed. But then there were these neoconservatives and they went, no, no, no, no, no.
Now that we control the world, we have to come up with a project for the new American century. We want another century.
The 20th century was dominated by America and we want to make sure the 21st century is dominated by America. And this is, I'm not exaggerating.
You can go read these papers. You can go Google project for a new American century and you can find all this stuff.
And they said their plan was, they were like, look. A statement of principles they released on June 3rd, 1997.
Yeah. There's, if you go to the calls for regime change in Iraq, they might have a good link there That would be like the document just blanking on the the name of some of the documents that they put out But they basically said no one can mess with us And so what we need to do right now is we need to have multiple wars in the Middle East We need to have regime changes and get rid of all of the old allies of the Soviet Union, put in our people who we like.
Specifically advocating regime changes through a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq. The letter suggested that any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Hussein, even if no evidence linked Iraq to the September 11th attacks.
Well, listen, you got to understand a lot of this stuff was written. This is in the 90s.

This is before the September 11th attacks. Well, listen, you got to understand a lot of this stuff was written.
This is in the 90s. This is before the September 11th attacks that they were talking about getting rid of Saddam Hussein.
They actually say there's one paper and this is what the 9-11 truthers, they would love to hang on to this. So they said they did 9-11 because they wanted this to happen.
Well, there's one thing. It was in the 90s.
I can't remember what year it was, but you could find this. But they say, basically, they go through this whole thing of how we really want to overthrow Saddam Hussein in Iraq, and then we want to fight multiple wars in the Middle East and have multiple regime changes.
And they actually said in the paper, they go, but it would be very challenging to get enough popular support to do something like this short of another Pearl Harbor style attack so they literally say We really kind of need an attack on America in order to work up enough support to go fight these wars now That isn't that isn't proof that they did 9-11 But it does certainly indicate that they know the recipe well at the very least when 9 they went, yes, now we got our time. So this is one of the worst, you know, like the worst thing that that ended up happening was that when 9-11 happens, George W.
Bush is president and all these motherfuckers are in power. So they got their opportunity.
and right away after 9-11, and we know this because the four-star general Wesley Clark himself said that he was out of power at the time. But he went to the Pentagon and he said that he saw plans late 2001 already drawn up for the invasion of Iraq.
So like as soon as 9-11 happened, they were like, OK, we're going to use this to go overthrow Saddam Hussein. Now, all right, if I could pull it back.
So a few years before 9-11, in 1996. And in a report just before the 2000 election that would bring Bush to power, the group predicted that the shift would come about slowly unless there were some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.
Yeah. So that's, I mean, this was their words.
And that's all the PNAC or whatever? Yes. This is PNAC, the Project for a New American Century.
Okay. Now, a lot of these same people involved here, but there was a letter.
Okay. There was a letter written.
Dark artists, huh? Yeah. So check this one out.
In 1996, so just four years before this report, there's a letter that was written by Richard Perle and it was not Douglas Spife. It was Richard Perle and Wormser and David Wormser was the other guy who wrote it.
And so two of these neoconservatives and they wrote this letter. The letter is called a clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm.
And it's written to Benjamin Netanyahu, who in 1996 was the first year that he became prime minister. Okay.
And in this, basically what this was all about is that they were, the neoconservatives were saying, Hey, here's the new strategy. Okay.
And the new strategy is in the early nineties, you had had these Oslo accords, which were the, um, what was known as the peace process, the peace. and that was like the Oslo Accord.
It was to try to get, that was supposed to help with Palestine, right? Yes. So Bill Clinton is famously, was a big deal when I was a kid.
It was Bill Clinton had Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin, the leader of the PLO and the Prime Minister of Israel, here together to work out, we're finally, we're going to going to do a two state solution and we're going to make this deal. They brought them together, shook hands.
I mean, after years and years, you know, decades of bloody fighting, this was like, it seemed like an amazing step forward and Israel committed to what they call a peace process. So eventually, essentially they committed that they're like, you know, this land that we know is not ours that we've been occupying since 1967.

We do have to give this back to you.

Like we have to give this to you and we have to have a two state solution of some sense. We will do that.
But there has to be a process that we go through. So, you know, better than nothing, at least.
Right. So this is what what started.
Now, then Yitzhak Rabin, the prime minister of Israel, was assassinated by a-wing Israeli by a Netanyahu supporter assassinated him for betraying his own country and talking but Israel was still on the hook for promising to eventually give the Palestinians their own state and the the clean break memo and it's a little bit coded, but it's basically like listen We got to get away from that. We got to get away from this peace process.
And the idea of like giving the Palestinians their land, this threatens Israel's stability. Now, for years, OK.
I could see them thinking that, though, for sure. Sure, sure.
Now, for many years, the thinking, which culminated in the Oslo Accords, right, the reason why there was this peace process is that the thinking, the Yitzhak Rabin thinking was that, listen, you have the Arab world who hates Israel's guts over their treatment of the Palestinian people. And so you have to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can be friendly with the surrounding Arab world so that they don't all hate you and you can coexist and you can be prosperous, right? Now, the clean break is essentially a break from that line of thinking.
And they go, no, no, no, no, no. You don't need to make peace with the Palestinians so that you can then make peace with the broader Arab world.
What you need to do is overthrow the regimes in the broader Arab world that are pissed off at you. And that way, you won't have to ever make peace with the broader Arab world.
What you need to do is overthrow the regimes in the broader Arab world that are pissed off at you. And that way you won't have to ever make peace with the Palestinians.
You'll never have to give them land if we could just overthrow Saddam Hussein and then overthrow the mullahs in Iran and then overthrow Bashar al-Assad in Syria. And so they lay out this strategy.
And this is the clean break, the clean break, excuse me. And these are our top neoconservatives who end up in the George W.
Bush administration, explicitly saying that the reason they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein is because he's a problem for Israel. And when years, a few years later, when four-star general Wesley Clark, who, by the way, recently in a debate with my friend Scott Horton admitted that these plans went all the way back to 96 and not just 2001, which he had said before.
But this was the famous, I don't know if you've ever seen it before, but the seven countries in five years. So this is Wesley Clark.
You pull up this video if you want to. It's pretty interesting and has a lot.
Are we really down a rabbit hole right now? We are. Well, This is when Rogan told you if you want to talk about Syria, I'll take you down a rabbit hole.
Here's the rabbit hole. 11.
About 10 days after 9-11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs.
He's talking about the guys from PNAC. Staff who used to work for me,

and one of the generals called me in, he said,

sir, you gotta come in and talk to me a second.

I said, well, you're too busy.

He said, no, no.

He says, we've made the decision

we're going to war with Iraq.

This was on or about the 20th of September.

I said, we're going to war with Iraq, why?

He said, I don't know.

He said, I guess they don't know what else to do.

So I said, well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?

He said, no, no.

He says, there's nothing new that way.

They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq.

He said, I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments. And he said, I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail.
So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, are we still going to war with Iraq? And he said, oh, it's worse than that.
He said, he reached over on his desk, he picked up a piece of paper, and he said, I just got this down from upstairs, meeting the Secretary of Defense's office today, and he said, this is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, finishing off Iran. I said is it classified? He said yes sir.
I said I said well don't show it to me and I saw him a year or so ago and I said you remember that? He said sorry I didn't show you that memo I didn't show it to you. I'm sorry.
What did you say his name was? I'm not going to give you his name. So that's, that's essentially the part to show, but so there's, so this is joking around you think he's being serious.
Oh, he's being serious. He was just asked about it recently and he was like, Oh yeah, no, this is, this happened.
And he actually said in this more recent, he had a one-on-one debate against Scott Horton and he, uh, when Scott brought this up, he goes, you know, it actually went back further than that. I had seen those plans back in 96.
It was the neoconservatives, right? And so the neoconservatives, the ones who were in charge of the W. Bush administration or were at very high posts in that administration, this was their plan.
And as they had mentioned in the clean break, explicitly for Israel, like it was to change the dynamics so that Israel, we would take out all of their enemies and put them in a situation where they never had to come through on the peace process. And so that's why, or at least a huge part of the reason why we fought a war in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria, in why we've backed Israel through all of these proxy wars.

It's all about that. And this is what – even more so than their treatment of the Palestinians, this is the thing that I'm furious at Israel about.
It's like what is with this like pressure of like lying my country's people into war after war after war that does nothing but create disasters for us? Well, we're always looked at then. Certainly, I think as the – you start to get looked at as the bad guy if that's true.
You start to get looked at as the bad guy. If you invite me to come help you or if I have the bullets and you me come along and fire the gun, even if you give me the orders or whatever, I'm still a murderer, you know, still complicit.
A clean break, a new strategy for securing the realm is a policy document prepared in 1996 by a study group led by Richard Pearl for Benjamin Netanyahu, then prime minister of Israel. Key points, abandoning the Oslo Accords and the concept of a land for peace, reestablishing the principle of preemption rather than retaliation.
So just to be clear, because again, they're saying these in kind of like, and this is how they talk about it, right? So it's all coded a little bit, but abandoning Oslo means the peace process, the concept of land for peace, meaning like this concept that the Palestinians deserve their land, get rid of that weird concept. And then number two, think about how creepy that is reestablishing the principle of preemptive rather than retaliation.
So in other words, we don't wait for you to attack us. We just start attacking you right away because we know you're going to.
So essentially giving up on the idea of a just war like giving up on the idea of like oh we were attacked and therefore we go to war and instead we'll just keep attacking you because we've decided you're going to attack us in the future but now part of you say if this is all true right what you almost have to give israel credit as well because they're fucking gangsters that's another thing it's like no question sometimes people are like you know you hear people say stuff about um you know uh um why we're fun israel and this and that and why you know but then you're also like well if like they probably like they did it they if we're still playing by all these old rules of Game of Thrones style shit and fucking it's a dog-eat-dog world and occupying land and all that kind of stuff, if you're still playing Risk, right? Yes. But you're convincing everybody that we're not playing that way anymore, but you're still playing that way, it's fucking really gangster.
if might makes right and the only thing that matters are the laws of conquest and who's winning is is winning then okay sure you got to give it to them that like hey you've done it but okay if that's your feeling then fine but then you don't get to cry these tears about oh october 7th was so horrible and they did this Because, hey, you're just playing the game of might makes right and whoever can kill the other side can kill the other side. And then also, OK, even if you're playing by those rules, I'll respect gangster.
Like I respect gangsters. Sure.
I just want to know what the rules are. But then at the same time, you also got to understand that we live in a new world now.
And like all the stuff we were talking about before, like people can talk about this stuff now and people can communicate. And I'm sorry, but if that's the case, then what I'm rooting for is what's best for my country.
And none of these wars made my country better. You know, in fact, they made it much, much worse.
You know, all we got to show for the war in Iraq is is is is you know thousands of our bravest young boys dead tens of thousands of them killing themselves in the wake of it tens of thousands more injured and horribly just a shell of themselves and unsure of what they're true i think in and i don't know if people would want to admit this or talk about it and it may be anti-american for me to say it but i think the definition right now of of being american is frayed in some ways but what they were fighting i mean the truth of light probably closing your eyes at night and be like well what was i fighting for you know yep and not and maybe that's messed up is that messed up of me to say that no i'm just speculating i don't know no i don't think so i've heard a lot of combat vets say the same thing yeah so i don't think that's messed up at all yeah what was that i think that's right at the core of why they had you know there were wars um you know like world war ii was was much more bloody and vicious than any of the fighting in the terror wars and we didn't have suicide rates the way we do now and i do think a huge part of that is because like those guys felt like hey we were liberating Europe. Like there was, they didn't come back and feel like, Oh, what the fuck did I even do that for? You know? And a lot of these guys, they come back and they're like, Oh, I was straight up lied to.
Like I was lied. Oh, I was just a pawn in your, then some rich guy's game.
And that included me like doing all types of shit to people that is very hard for any civilized person to do. Your conscience can't.
Hey, it's a it's a teeter totter. Well, you immediately, you know, you put yourself in a crazy situation.
So, like, look, if I'm going to if I'm going to break into your house with a gun, like once I've already made that decision that I'm going to break into your house with a gun, whatever justified me to getting to that point. there's now, there's a whole different dynamic where now like, okay, I could say, hey, I'm just trying to break into your house with a gun.
I'm going to be the good guy here. But if I break into your house with a gun and you run up at me with a gun, I got to shoot at you now.
And then once that's over, if I'm back home, you go like, I mean, from this guy's perspective, I broke into his house. who was really the aggressor here.
I mean, sure. I shot him because he raised his gun at me, but really I was the one who went.
And so this is what it's like for an invading arm. And also it's not, and what were we even doing there? And when you find out that a lot of the people were Saudi Arabian or something, and we didn't even deal with it's like, what was going on? I can't even't even imagine and it's also like there's something to be said for the um you know even if you like if you fought a guy let's say like uh you know back in your in your drinking days or something like that you got into a bar fight or something like that and you fight a guy who's around your size you know and you go and you end up like winning the fight even it's like there's still something different about that than if you just went and beat up a dude who was like a third of your size you know like at least when when we fought in world war ii the nazis were very powerful it was at early in the war it wasn't clear exactly who was gonna win uh but iraq you know for the u.s military to go fight it's like come on dude this is a this is a joke we took down their government in a matter of weeks well remember they had those videos of them training on like um jungle gyms and stuff remember those videos oh yeah well i think that was like al-qaeda or something like that but yeah it's still like yeah that was their the monkey bars or whatever it's all just so ridiculous there's no way you're gonna go fuck those people up and not be left with a little bit of a feeling like fuck we beat up what did i just do yeah we beat up a weekend to yes yeah damn um who were some trump picks some other cabinet picks you're not sure about you feel like i know i um i'm blanking on his name i know his national security advisor i really didn't uh like and i heard some statements from him that i didn't like you know pete hagseth was an interesting one i don't don't really know enough about him.
He's from Montana? Is that that guy? Is he from Montana? I'm not sure. I know he was a Fox News guy for a long time.
I've met him a couple times. Former Georgia congressman is up first.
Let me see. What do you know about Pete Hegseth? Trump's, let me, Hegseth, 44, has developed a close rapport with Trump, a military veteran and popular conservative media personality with a large following of his own.
You know, he hosted like the Fox morning show for years. Oh, I think I remember who he is now.
America's white sons and daughters are walking away and who can blame them? I think he's talking about the military. Yeah.
Yeah. No, he was.
So I met him back in, I want to say like 2016 or something like that. And he was like, I think he had pretty standard like Republican, you know, politics.
I think he he's from what I've heard, he's kind of changed a bit over the years and has been become much more skeptical about a lot of the wars. I do remember this is one moment I always thought was really interesting that I saw him on one show on Fox News

And this was such a not Fox News type thing for him to talk about. But he brought up and went into pretty graphic detail the epidemic of warlords raping little boys in Afghanistan.
And this was this was a major thing that a lot of the guys who served in Afghanistan talk about. But so when we were against the Taliban, we were trying to overthrow the Taliban.
And a lot has been made in America, and rightfully so, about how the Taliban are really brutal on women's rights. They don't let girls go to school.
They don't let women have any type of freedom. However, on the other side were these tribal warlords who we were propping up.
And it is true that they would let the little girls go to school, but they would also rape the little boys. There's like an epidemic of it.
And so the dynamic was that our soldiers over there weren't allowed to say anything about that because they'd be like, well, listen, this is their customs and their way of life. And so they would talk about how they could hear the screams from the little boys like in their rooms and stuff.
And he talked about it on Fox News, which just kind of gave me the impression that I was like, oh, maybe this guy is willing to kind of like tell the truth in a thing where it's a little uncomfortable in an audience that isn't typically used to hearing that. So we'll see.
I don't know though. He used to really support the wars.
I'm not sure where he is now. Interesting.
Wow. There's a lot going on, huh? Do you think that things are going to be different this time? Do you really think that, say there is this deep state, right? Do you think we get away from it or it's is it just a lost cause and and sometimes it's like i almost just wish they my thing is i just wish they would i just want to know i don't like i don't like not knowing just tell me i'll do whatever i'll do the game you know i'm saying but tell me what the game is tell me what the rules are i understand that impulse.
I think that I think the best part of Trump winning is that there it's been the cultural effect of all of it, I think, has been amazing. Like, I really think everything like from November to now has just been great.
It's been great. There's been this big reset that we needed in America.
It's like the corporate media is crumbling. wokeism is receding like the insane kind of political correctness of the last few years

seems to be like largely defeated. I think all of that is great.
I don't think the deep state is going anywhere in the next few years. but that I don't

I'm very optimistic

long term

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it's easy to say

we're never going to beat this thing. And it's always going to be this way.
They have so much power. We have so little.
But the truth is, like, you know, communism fell. Slavery was abolished.
America declared independence from the British monarchy. And, you know, these things all would have seemed impossible.
And you could have easily said, oh, this is just going to be here forever.

It's just the way of the world. But it wasn't.
Those things are gone now. And I think there's no reason why America can't have like a great kind of a great reformation, a great return to the best things about America, a huge increase in liberty and decrease in awful state corruption.
Like, I don't see any reason why that can't happen, especially when they don't have the propaganda machine anymore. Yeah.
Yeah. And I think, you know, I've always thought like the sand, like it all gets remembered, right? Like, I think sometimes it's like, are we just, is America still suffering from like what it did to the Native Americans here? You know, and I know that's kind of wild, but they had like the there was a line that they put.
I think it was around the Mississippi called the something frontier, general frontier or something where they're like, we'll probably it was just a deal that they'd made with the Native Americans. We promise we will never cross here.
This is your land. It will always be your land.
And then within 30 years, it was like, you know, and it's like,

I just feel like the ground remembers. It's like, sometimes it's like, you're just,

you can't completely escape sin. I don't think, you know, or wrong.
I don't think you can

completely escape, but you can feel like you can, and you might in your generation, in your life,

but what you're going to leave is something that's not, not it's in the end it all has to be even and so i just feel like you know like the ground just keeps the score yeah there was something was it to you i can't remember but there was something jordan peterson said about that that is like how you can't get away with lying how you can't like twist the fabric of reality and it not snap back at you. And there is something to that.
I don't know if it's exactly perfect, but like there is something to like where no matter what, you know, it's like it's true, like in a relationship, like, you know, if you think like, oh, maybe you're like, oh, I could get away with treating my wife shitty. And maybe you even can because she'll take it for take it for a while but like ultimately there's going to be a price to pay for that you kind of can't get away it's gonna be a dateline episode yeah and people are gonna side with her you know i'm saying like it's all gonna cut you can't well it's the same way you could stay up you could stay up for three days in a row and not sleep but then like on that fourth day you're gonna just fall out and fall out and be in deep.
Cause like you owe REM sleep, right? You owe it. Like you, sorry, we got to, the universe has a receipt for you of REM sleep that you owe for the last invoice.
And there's, there's something about how like, you know, it's like, okay, I could like, I could go on my treadmill right now and like go run for 20 minutes and that will suck. I hate those 20 minutes when I go run on my treadmill or I could eat a big piece of cheesecake and just love the next 20 minutes and feel so good, but there's going to be a price to pay for that.
You know what I mean? Like I'm going to feel better about myself. I'm going to be in better health.
If I do the running, there's just this weird thing with the universe where it's like, you kind of can't cheat the system. And if you try to cheat the system, there's always a price associated with it.
And now you owe that price. It may come later in life.
It may whatever, you know, like if I, if, if I want to like, whatever it is, if I want to be really shitty to my wife now, it's like, maybe I think that gets me some advantage in the short term. But then when my son's older and he remembers that and he hates me, it's like, Oh, okay.
There's the price for me not being good to his mom. So you always like in life in general, you're always better off if you err on the side of like doing the right thing so that you don't owe these prices later in life.
I see it all the time. You see it with like old men who were like shitty drunk dads and now they're alone and they're old alcoholics and you're like, oh man, the ultimate loser here is you.
Like you got like a grandkid you never met, you know? And you got, it's like, there's, you can't cheat this game. So you're better off just doing the right thing and not accruing all these, these debts.
Yeah. I, um, what do you think about Elon and Vivek? Do you think that that is a – is that really something that's going to have an effect on things?

Who do they have to answer to because they're not an actual government entity?

Is that correct?

Yeah.

So it's ridiculous, but it's also really interesting.

Yeah, Donald Trump just gave them a made-up department that they're in charge of.

So they're not technically a government department.

Department of Government Efficiency. I think it's a department, but it's not a real government department of government efficiency does.
So it's not real, but this, I've been seeing this for a while. I feel like we've entered this kind of like privatized communism, I call it where, and, and you could call the, and this wouldn't maybe be considered communism, but it's privatized democracy, right? It's like, we have, like, we don't have the post office anymore.
We have Amazon, we have email, you know, it's like, it's all been privatized, right it's like we have like we don't have the post office anymore we have

amazon we have email you know it's like it's all been privatized right we don't really realize it there's still everybody's like the government sucks it's like yeah but the government's a company now it's some other company that's doing the shit that the government used to do well right it's so instead of the game because because what it is is that in most people's minds they have kind of roughly at least the idea of like capitalism versus socialism and i understand i'm speaking like,

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So like on one hand you have like the government is, isn't involved and it's all like competition and private companies. And then on the other hand, you have like the government's much more involved in the government takes over these services.
But really what we have isn't either of those. What we have is gigantic multinational corporations that long ago bought off the government.
So you have this huge government that's involved, but it's just working for these private interests. Right.
It's just wrapping paper. Exactly.
So I think that's exactly the correct way to look at it. But the belief is that we still have this thing of freedom and you still do kind of have democracy in some ways, right? You could still run for an office.
You could still vote for someone. But it's, it's certainly feels things feel more manufactured.
Yeah. Yeah.
Like even like, that's why I think very, the Uber wealthy, they don't care that much about the police and shit because they have their own security.

They have they're not fucking worried about that.

Well, that's the crazy thing.

And it has really it's been one of the things that I think turned Americans against Hollywood.

But there's something about like kind of the like elite progressive, you know, like the people who lecture everybody else about guns and support gun control, but they have armed security. The people who are offended that Donald Trump talks about building a wall, but they live in a gated community.
The people who, you know. Talk about climate change, but then take private planes everywhere.
Dude, you could go endless, endless examples of this. They talk about you.
If you're upset about what they're teaching in your local public school they say you're a bad person meanwhile their kids go to private school they don't have to deal with what's going on in the you know what i mean it's like at every they're totally insulated from the effects of the policies that they support and so you know anyway to go back to the doge thing what i think so i so I had dinner with Vivek like a couple months ago.

People say he's a neat man. I never met him.
He's – I like him a lot. I've gotten to know him pretty good over the last year.
Is he Bangladeshi or Indian guy? He's Indian, but he's American. He was born here.
Yeah, yeah. But he's – first of all, he's brilliant.
He's very, very successful. and I will say I won't divulge too much

stuff that we said in private but he is

really big on this Doge thing. And he's like, listen, man, me and Elon got some tricks up our sleeves and we're going to get some, we're going to be very effective with this.
Essentially what they're going to do is make policy recommendations and their recommendations already are going to be massive cuts in government spending, which is, I think, the absolute correct answer. And so I'm at least excited to see that like that's being interjected into the public.
And him and Elon are both, I mean, these are brilliant guys. So maybe they could really come up with something here.
I agree. Well, it's just amazing how our country keeps going more and more in debt.
In the end, we're going to have a loan to some other country, and that country is just going to be like, now you belong to us, right? Or the whole thing has to crash, and then we're setting ourselves up for failure. And even just now, right? Yeah, and I don't want to sound too gloom and doom, too.
Well, but even just now, it's like, forget it. The debt is a major problem, and we're going off the fiscal cliff, and we're not going to be able to keep this up.
But even just right now, the reason we're racking up so much debt is because the government spends so much money every year. And this is – that is the corruption.
It's not like a symptom of the corruption. It's like you got an organization in Washington, D.C.
that by force extracts $6 trillion of wealth away from the American people every year and then give it out to their connected friends it's like the most like it's fucking it's uh it's laundering yeah it's it's the most criminal shit in the world you could imagine the only reason why we don't think of it as criminal is because it's so big and successful but if anyone did it on a small level you'd be like oh i know what that is that's a gang that's, and, and, and even, and, and like I said before, the other big thing is that in order to have such a big government, what you need is because you can never tax people enough to pay for all this shit and they can't even borrow enough money to pay for all of it. So they have to just constantly be printing money.
And that sends us into living in an inflationary world where everything's constantly getting more expensive and the value of your dollar is constantly going down. And again, this is, if you're rich, it's fine.
If you own stuff, you can kind of protect yourself from it because the value of your assets goes up too. But for middle class and working class and people on a fixed income, this just destroys them, absolutely destroys them.
I mean, look, the price inflation over the last few years has just like, I don't even know. You know, the Federal Reserve keeps numbers on this stuff, but I don't know if they've done it over the recent wave of price inflation.
But how many marriages get destroyed by this? You know, like people commit suicide over stuff like this. They don't care.
And they don't think about that. It's the same way they didn't think whenever they, they don't care.
They don't, it's the same way they didn't care that every AA room and meeting was going to shut down when they started COVID, you know, or whenever COVID started. It's the same way that they didn't care about the pill epidemic that's taken hundreds of thousands, 600,000 lives.
And not only, not to mention the, the ripple effect of those deaths that have broken the hearts of mothers and, and children and wives and husbands. They don't care.
I just, that's what it feels like anymore. It feels like they don't fucking care.
So what can I do now? But then also, I also have to to remember that throughout history people have lived in this exact same space feeling like their government did not care about them and worse i mean in much worse and much worse you're right so that's why i think other countries like well this is hey welcome yeah you know welcome to what it's really like you know to exist yeah okay fine but like at the same time that doesn't we should have better yes that's right look i mean so there's there's lessons to take from all of that stuff right like there are people in the 20th century we had two world wars you know like yeah tens of millions of people just got caught up in this for no fault of their own at all and i'm not even talking about just like the standard textbook history like there were people who just happened to be germans You know what I mean? They weren't, they didn't necessarily even support the Nazis or anything like that. There were ethnic Germans.
Daryl Cooper just put out the prologue for his new World War II series. And the first one is so good.
But all talking about like, and this is like a forgotten chapter of history, but after World War II, ethnic Germans, not even living in Germany, weren't even living under the Third Reich, just in Eastern Europe, just got totally slaughtered by the millions, raped and beaten and ethnically cleansed. This is obvious.
I only lead with that because it's the one that people don't know as much about. But obviously, there were Jews who just happened to live in Germany or in Eastern Europe.
There were Russians and Pol poles and just all types of people who just got destroyed so no okay people have had it much worse but at the same time i do think it's your point being you know especially when you see like the corporate media and you see the way they freak out over uh january 6th the way they freak out over you know whatever it would be any the latest thing donald trump says and then you sit and you freak out over, you know, whatever it would be. And the latest thing Donald Trump says, and then you sit there and you go, yeah, you know, a hundred thousand people die of overdoses in this country every year.
And by the way, calling them overdoses is not entirely accurate. Poisoning is a good term.
Yeah. Poisoning is more, I mean, when you're talking about the fentanyl thing, I mean, at least for me, when my whole life, when I thought of what the word overdose meant, what overdose meant to me was essentially like you become such a drug addict that you build up such a tolerance that you got to take so much drugs in order to get high that eventually you have to take so much that it kills you before you even get to like feel good.
But that's not the same thing as someone thinking they're taking a Percocet and it actually has fentanyl in it. And then they just kill themselves.
That's not exactly an overdose. That's a poisoning.
Yeah. You got poisoned.
And that company didn't even face any ramifications. They're still allowed to come into America.
I know. And this isn't even something that comes up.
People care can't do anything right well what i just say is like it's just like say like okay i understand that like some people broke some windows of the capitol building on january 6th and i understand that aoc was real scared for 20 minutes or whatever okay but like that the amount of coverage and outrage that that gets compared to a hundred thousand of your fellow americans being poisoned death every year. And it's not like it's a one to one.
It's a 100 to zero. Like this just doesn't even come up.
It's not even like a – Until Hollywood is like, oh, we'll make a series about it. Yeah.
So we'll make – now we'll make money off of it. I'll say this, dude.
And this is like I'm mildly embarrassed to admit this. But as somebody who's like obsessed with this shit and talks about politics all the time it wasn't until bobby kennedy ran for president and he goes uh he goes you know america leads the world in chronic illness and i remember being like is that right do we lead the like i didn't even know that we led the world in chronic illness and there's like just it took bobby kennedy why is no one else who's run for president ever brought this up? How is this not a thing that we all talk about all the time? Well, Bernie Sanders talks about a good bit of a lot.
Well, he talks about Bernie Sanders talks about the health insurance stuff. He talks about the Medicare for all stuff, but I never really heard anyone talking about what Bobby's talking about in terms of like, why are we so sick? Like, forget whether you think we need universal healthcare or private healthcare or whatever, like whatever health insurance you're talking about.
I'm saying like, why are we so sick as a people to begin with? And that's more about like what we're eating, what the, you know, like what we're consuming. I know, but okay, then say if there's these forces and they see like, okay, we can poison them this much and we can make the money here and this, but why, what do they get out of all of it? Or do you think there's just such a level of wealth and control that after generation and generation, you just start to see it as a game almost.
Like, that's the part I can't understand because I couldn't understand, like at a certain point you start to do well and then you want to help other people. Like, whether it's like build a facility for drug people or whatever it is, right? Like get clean water, like do something pot.
Like I can't understand getting to the part where you start to see people just as nothing more than some than basically ghosts to launder your money through. Well, I do think that when you get, well, obviously like so.
It is control control a lot of it's control so much of it is business you know what i mean like so much of it is just like oh there are these companies that make tons of money off this shit but i do think that there's like a mentality that gets developed when you get to a certain level of power where like you know the same thing like with um you know like if there's like if there's a little mom and pop store, they kind of know everyone in the area and they kind of care a little bit more. They're more connected to the community.
When you're talking about like a giant corporation, you're just kind of like a cog in a machine to them. Like they're, but when you get to like the top, top level of power, and I think they've been pretty explicit about this.
I mean, Henry Kissinger pretty much like admitted this in his own words, that people are pawns on a chessboard. And that's the way they look at it.
It's not they don't believe that they are like they're almost above what me and you would consider morality. You know what I mean? It's like they're at this super high level where it's like, listen, we're moving these pawns over here so that the Soviet Union collapses.
And oh yeah, it sure does suck if you happen to be a Vietnamese person, but we're at war with the Soviet Union. And so you're just pawns on a chessboard.
And that's what they're doing with Ukraine right now. What they're doing with Ukraine right now is just using them as cannon fodder to hurt Russia.
And they pose as the ones who care about Ukrainians so much, but really they just led them down as john meersheimer said the primrose path they went go ahead fight this big bully who could totally fuck you up go ahead fight him we got your back to ukraine yeah to ukraine and by we got your back not like the military is going to come in and actually like back you up but we'll just give you weapons so you can keep going out there and dying but but it'll hurt the Russians also. And that's the goal.
And you're like, it's a real sickness if you start looking at human beings that way. Yeah, what did Kissinger say? Bring that back up.
He said, military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy. Is that real? Oh, geez.
I knew he had some quotes about that, but that one even surprised me. I was like, oh, geez.
Where was he from, Kissinger? Oh, where was he originally from? Eastern Europe? It's a good question. Henry Kissinger.
Bring him up. Get to there.
There's a course, the Secretary of State under Richard Nixon. Scroll up.
Born in Germany. Okay.
Born in Germany. A Jewish refugee fleeing Nazi persecution.
Maybe that's what made him believe that, huh? That probably was what led to his belief, huh? Well, I mean, I'm sure that had a profound influence on who he was. That's heartbreaking.
Attendant at Harvard University. Very smart guy.
Yeah. Oh, he was a genius.
Super, super genius. But look, i mean i think a lot of that even you know when you talk about the nazi connection for his views but a lot of that a lot of that is true with the israel stuff too that it's like you know a lot of this it's like people who like went through a lot of the shit that they went through got it in their minds that like you do whatever you have to do to make sure you're the one in power to survive Oh, I get it.
Look, what i'm saying the sand remember you know or the it all remember there's you can't it it's all remembered the big brain of a time it holds it all you know the whatever it is the soul of time it holds it all yeah and it's um it's interesting it's fascinating it's painful It's life, you you know it's death it's all of it it's like i think it's just like i don't know some of it makes you fucking sad you know and some of it like yeah maybe it's easy for me to just sit here and um say things from my home that has heat in it you know i don't know i don't but that's life right Is that there's like life is that there's like constantly tragedy all around us, but then there's beauty all around us also. And then if you can kind of like reconcile yourself with the tragedy and accept that you can really enjoy the beauty in, in life.
And that's, you know, that's the best we could try to do. Um, but yes, you're right.
We speak from, as the lefties would say, from a position of privilege. And we're able to.
But at the same point, like my thing is kind of like if you are in that position and we're fortunate enough to like be in a heated studio and in a comfortable environment or whatever, then like, OK, so then we should try our best to kind of rise up above. Like what I was saying before, we're like, hey, if you're an Israeli Jew and one of your family members were killed on October 7th, of course, you're going to be like, go get those guys.
And if you're a Palestinian who saw one of your kids get killed by an IDF, you know, mission, of course, you're going to be like, let's go get those guys. But from our position of not being in either of those positions, we should at least be able to go like, okay,

let's try to calm things down.

Let's try to like push for peace.

Let's try to go like, we understand how both of you could feel that way, but understand where the other one feels the same way you do.

At least sometimes there's an advantage to be like on a perch in a little bit of a better

situation where you can kind of see things and go, okay, let me at least call balls and

strikes on this and not just kind of flame more conflict, which is what people on the ground are doing. Yeah.
Yeah. I think I've always just like, I don't know.
I think I just, if I feel like something's the underdog, then I'll err. I'd rather err on that side for me.
It's like, somebody's like, oh, you got mad. Somebody get mad.
You fucked up. You chose the underdog.
All right. My bad.
You know, I just that's like I just think that's how I feel.

How do we know?

Like, Dave, tell me this.

Is there any country where if you live in the country, you have to.

You have to like, like commit to that country.

Well, in what sense? Like, what is America just starts to seem like this place where everybody can just commit for their other country if they want to yeah well I think that's one of the things that is been a big catalyst for Donald Trump rising the whole America first thing like this idea that hey like we should be for our country I think that there was particularly World War II, which is really when you had the rise of like the current world order. I mean obviously the Soviet Union was a part of it and then they fell.
But the kind of American dominance started really after World War II. I mean we won and we dropped the nukes.
And the situation was that all of the industrialized world had been destroyed except for us and the war touched everyone basically every power except us and we lost some men there but we still came out like with the homeland we had a big head start yes well that's right we got in late and we developed the nukes and so just it all and we used nukes and so it was like oh they have this new weapon that nobody else has and so after that the which was sick by the way too horrific oh just like i mean totally inexcusable and disgusting and which almost makes you wonder do we have our just our judgment day coming you know well i or us we didn't do it well you would hope you would hope that the universe can pick out who was involved at least to some degree and who wasn't but in some ways you know there's this great old uh john quincy adams quote which i'll probably butcher but maybe you'll pull up so i get but it's like uh it was something like if we go around the world looking for monsters to destroy we will become the dickatrice of the world but we will lose our own soul and that was which is pretty profound that he said this back in the early 1800s, I believe. What does the dicatrist mean?

Like dictator,

like the female version of,

of dictator.

So like we'll rule,

we'll rule the world,

but you'll lose your own soul or something like that.

I might be butchering this quote,

but that's essentially the,

the gist of it.

The point was that you're like,

Oh,

you go dominate the world,

but you lose your own soul.

Like you lose,

you know,

you're,

you kind of,

you take over everything else,

but you lose the essence of who you are. Well, it's the same thing as like being like, I think like, um, somebody like Jim Carrey or some type of a celebrity, you put so much of you out there that you are all over, but you don't know who you are anymore.
Right. And there's, there's a weird, like, you know, call like there's a weird equation to that.
But after world war two, America kind of took on the mantle of being like, OK, well, we're going to rebuild Europe. And there were arguments for why we should.
We're going to we're going to be the defense of Europe. We formed NATO so that we could protect Western Europe because they weren't in a position to do it for themselves.
And it just it's almost like we became then the country that was always

in the business of welfare for other countries. And I think what happened with Donald Trump, where a lot of people were, is that after, particularly after the years of the terror wars that were such disasters, is that people started kind of reassess that and be like, well, look, we're not in a situation right now where Europe is destroyed.
And you know what I mean? like we're the only ones unscathed by this war.

Europe is rich.

They're fine. not in a situation right now where Europe is destroyed.
And you know what I mean? Like,

we're the only ones unscathed by this war. Europe is rich.
They're fine. A lot of these other countries are like in, they're stable.
And we're $36 trillion in debt. Our dollar is getting weaker.
Our culture is like totally pitted against each other. Things feel like they're kind of falling apart here.
And so it's just, it's a different proposition to go like, Hey, you know, my family is taken care of and doing really good. And I'm going to help out this other family.
Who's like friends of ours. That's a totally different proposition than like when my family's falling apart and are broken, hungry, helping out somebody else.
Like that's like, that's just a different thing. And so I do think like there should, it's healthy and normal and natural that there should be a movement in America that's concerned with America.
Oh yeah, well you have people too who lost their grandfathers, who lost their siblings, who lost their great grandfathers too, helping liberate other groups and helping around the world, helping be those military presence around the world, you know, and who served. And they thought that that meant something, you know, that there was some value, that it meant something, that the American flag hadn't just been pitted by, hadn't just been divided as if it was a conservative emblem.
That's crazy to think that somebody got fucking of america to think that the american flag stands for like rednecks or something yeah think about that shit people don't want to think about that people don't want to think that oh that's true there's a little part of me that caught that took that bait you know i'm saying and wondering who's who has put the bait in front of you and then then see the hook, man. There's a fucking hook.

Yeah, well, like if loving America is right wing

and free speech is right wing

and working out is right wing.

So shouldn't we all be right wing then?

Like, what are we even talking about now?

And then I think that that's all changed.

It's like you have Democrats that are Republicans now.

You have people that don't know.

You have a ton of people that want to be libertarians

that don't know what it is. And so that's one of the reasons why I think we wanted to learn from you what it is.
What is a libertarian idea of healthcare look like? What does that look like? Well, I look, I mean, the libertarian idea with all of this stuff is to like actually get the government out of the way and let there be a real market. I mean, so much of the problem in healthcare in general is that it's just, it's not a real market like any other market.
The prices, good luck even finding out what the prices are. It's the only business you could walk into where no one in the room knows what the price is.
And it's not, and because like, you know, I remember there was one time that my, it was like years ago, it was I think before married, but me, my wife was like, she had a month where she had a lapse in her insurance. And so she had like one month without insurance before she got on mine or something.
And then, and she had blood work done the month that she didn't have insurance. So we get some bill, you know, blood work or whatever.
Oh, like, okay. Yeah.
Like taking her blood. And so we get a bill for like 1400 bucks and my wife calls them and she's like, Oh yeah.
I think what happened was she, she went to the doctor when she still had the insurance, but then they sent it to the lab after her insurance expired before the new one kicked in. So she's stuck with this bill or whatever.
And the, and she goes, she goes, Oh, so this like fell like in my lap. So like, I don't have insurance and they go, oh, you're uninsured.
And she was like, yeah. And they go, oh, we'll knock 70% off.
Wow. Just like that.
Now, party, I remember in the moment being kind of like, or this is many years ago and I was, I'm doing better now than I was then. But at the time I was like, oh, sweet.
We just knocked 70% off. But then as soon as I'm like, sweet, I'm like, wait a minute.
That's all. The prices are inflated by 70% for everybody else who has, uh, um, who has insurance.
It's like this cost. And it's all because of these crazy over-regulation over government involvement.
It's just literally things work better when you have a free market and there's real competition. So that's the libertarian, uh, answer to almost everything is like deregulate it, let there be real competition, let it be privatized.
But if these private companies fail, let them go out of business. Don't come in and bail them out.
Let them actually have to compete for who can provide a better service to their customers. That's when we get good things.
Yeah. And there's another part in that book where Marty Makari, that doctor who's just,

who got, is gonna be appointed by Trump.

He talked about how, yeah, there was a guy

whose father had like a stroke

and they kept him in the hospital

and they could do a procedure.

And they're like, it's like $150,000.

And the guy's like, what the fuck?

We can't do that.

And they just, they kept kind of like holding them off. And eventually they're like, yeah, it's $15,000.
And the guy's like, what the fuck? We can't do that. And they just kept kind of holding him off.
And eventually they're like, yeah, it's $15,000. Yeah.
Yeah, it's just insane. Every couple of days, they would just call him back like, we'll do it now, we'll do it now.
And he was visiting America from another country, and he decided just to go back to his own country and have it done there. But he was just shocked at how just the price went down because they were going to possibly lose the patient, right? Which is the way that businesses should be, that potentially you could lose the customer.
What about the Federal Reserve? What is it? And is it fucking us? Oh, yeah, totally. Oh, it's the worst thing.
I've heard about this. Ben Askren.
It's the worst thing about our government is the Federal Reserve. Because I noticed this.
If I make money and I pay taxes on it, right? And then if I use that money to pay somebody for something, they have to pay taxes on it. If I die, I get taxed like 30, 40% on the money that I'd already paid taxes on.
Oh, yeah. And then you like, I mean, it's insane.
And then when you, if you think about how much money is actually taxeded, I mean, like it's not just like that you pay taxes on. But then if you go and buy something from someone else, then they got to pay taxes on the money that you already paid taxes.
It's just it's nutty. But the Federal Reserve is the central bank.
That's so the it's all kind of confusing because they call it like the Federal Reserve. And so you kind of get this impression that like, well, it's part of the federal government where they keep reserves of some money or something like that.
But that's not what it is at all. It's technically not even a part of the government.
It is. It's the worst of the government and the worst of not the government.
Right. So it was created by an act of Congress in 1913.
OK. It's the treasure.
The head of the Federal Reserve is appointed by the president.

So it's, in that sense, very much a part of the government.

However, it gets to maintain its status as a private, independent company.

They print the money and then lend it to us.

So they charge us for using dollars.

They make money off the fact that we use our own currency, that they're just given the right to print out of thin air so they're a bank in effect print out of thin air i mean most of it's done on computers these days but so what they do is they it was created by a bunch of powerful bankers there's a great book on this called the creature from jekyll island um that really goes through the whole history of it. Let's order that book, The Creature from Jekyll Island.
Oh, it's a good one. By G.
Edward Griffin. We'll have to order it right now, but let's go back to that Federal Reserve.
It's a great book. I highly recommend everyone read it.
Also, Ron Paul and the Fed is another great book on the Federal Reserve also. But so they are, so essentially they print the money and then lend it out.
Now they lend it out to what are called their member banks, meaning all the big banks. So JP Morgan, Chase, Schwab, Bank of America, all these guys.
So they lend it out to them and then those banks lend money to the rest of us at a much higher interest rate than they got it for.

So all of the banks now are in the business essentially of getting free money. They just get the money at low interest and lend it out to us at higher interest.
So they all get rich off of this. It allows the government to spend as much money as they want to because they can print as much money as they want to while it destroys the currency of the rest of us.
And the worst thing about the Federal Reserve, from my perspective, is that it lets the government get away with just really evil things that they would never be able to get away with if they couldn't print all the money. So, you know, you could do lockdowns and then just hand out checks because you can print the money.
But if you couldn't hand out the checks, you probably wouldn't be able to get away with lockdowns. You could fight a war in Afghanistan for 20 years.
Now, if you had to tax people for that war, if you had to say, okay, listen, we want to fight a war in Afghanistan. So every quarter, we're going to come to you for another, you know, 10% of your income, there'd be massive pressure from people to end the war, right? Since they just print the money, they're able to keep it going for for 20 years.
And it also does a lot to like distort markets and just mess everything up because they pump money into markets where there's no real demand for there to be growth there. It's a huge scheme.
It's privately owned. We don't even have real information on it.
There's never been a full audit of the Federal Reserve. There was Ron Paul was the only one in Congress who was really pushing for an audit.
I think Thomas Massey also was, but never got it done. The federal government sets the salaries of the board's seven members, of the board's seven governors, and it receives all the system's annual profits after dividends on member banks' capital investments are paid.
The Federal Reserve earned a net income of $100.2 billion in 2015 and transferred $97.7 billion to the U.S. Treasury.
So they make some money in there. They made $5 billion.
Yeah, but the thing is that their books have never been opened and audited, so we don't really know exactly what's going on. Are we based on gold or not? No, we haven't been on gold for many years.
It was in 1973 or 71, was it?ixon suspended the gold standard and we've never been back on it since then 71 sorry i should have had that one why did they suspend the gold standard well so basically let me say the gold standard was a monetary system that linked a country's currency to a set amount of gold so so our currency was actually backed by an actual yes the gold the idea was that you could for every dollar printed, you had to put away a certain amount of gold. So what I was talking about before, after World War II, Europe is destroyed.
America is still left stable. This is when America, they created what was known as the Bretton Wood Agreement.
So essentially, America was like the dominant power in the world. We had the huge portion of the world's gold at this point.
And so the deal that we came up with was essentially that other countries would peg their currency to the dollar and we would peg the dollar to gold. So you were kind of on a gold standard if you went on a dollar standard.
Got it. set the price at 35 an ounce so for every 35 we printed we had to put away an ounce of gold okay so this in a fort knox yeah i think that's where it was supposed to be caught also has not been audited um but i think that's where it was empty i'm sure yeah who that it's i think long gone but so okay so then you have um so this starts in the uh what year late 40s breton woods started i want to say 47 the gold standard was largely abandoned during the great depression before being reinstated in a limited form it had so we had gotten off of it and then gotten back onto it but so what happened is when we're on the breton woods standard we go onto it in the late 40s so through the 50s and Okay.
And that standard was- Oh, is it earlier? It was before the war ended. Is that right? Okay.
And that standard was that for every ounce of gold, we had so much money. That's right.
$35. Yes.
And then other countries had penned there or using the dollar. Their currency to the dollar.
So they're holding dollars. Right.
But the dollars are redeemable in gold. Right.
Like that's the idea that you could trade them in for gold anytime you want to. So it was all real.
There was a checks and balances system. Right.
Except that we started cheating and we started cheating really blatantly. And so in the 1960s, if you could think about it, right, America is doing a lot.
In the 1960s, we have the Great Society. We created Medicare and and medicaid we put a man on the moon we fought the war in vietnam america is just spending a ton of money and so what happened is that a lot of people were holding dollars right and they're holding dollars that they're promised are good are convertible to gold and i believe it was mostly led by france but i think think England was involved in this too, but they essentially called America's bluff and they went, um, you know, you guys are spending a whole lot of money.
I'm thinking we'll take our gold. Like we got all these dollars.
We'd like to convert them into gold. So they called America's bluff and Richard Nixon was like, nah.
And so the way, the way he spun it, it was just a giant default.

Slick Rick.

It was just a huge default to the world.

Like we're just not, no.

But the way he spun it, which is actually pretty laughable.

If you, it was, he was like, you know, the French are trying to destabilize the dollar

and we will not let this attack stand.

So I have to temporarily, those are his words, temporarily suspend the convertibility from dollars into gold. So he basically told them, go fuck yourself.
You know, we don't have gold, but we do have a much bigger military than you. So you will take this, you know, and then, you know, throughout the years, I mean, America just came to continue to dominate the world.
So there was no real option for France to do nothing. But ever since then, we have not been on a gold standard or any standard whatsoever.
They can print as much money as they want to with no limit. It says the Nixon shock was the effect of a series of economic measures, including wage and price freezes, surcharges on imports and the unilateral cancellation of the direct international convertibility of the united states dollar gold although nixon's actions did not formally abolish

the existing bretonwood system of international financial exchange the suspension of one of its

key components effectively rendered the bretonwood system inoperative wow and what happened to all

the gold in fort knox then your guess is as good as mine can we look that up what happened to all

the gold after the bretonwood system i don't know mean, I think they would say they still have it. But again, it's like much like the Federal Reserve.
I believe I don't think Fort Knox has been audited in all of this time. So I don't think we really know, you know, we got to get in that bitch.
I'm going to ask Trump if I get to see him. Vance would give us an honest answer, I think.
Are you going to the inauguration? I think I'm going to go because, well, first of all, I got excited to go. I got invited to go and then I never will get to go again.
Are you going? Yeah. Just because I got invited and it's just kind of like, how could you not go? I mean, it's just, it's like, it's American history.
And it's also, this was such a big election too. It feels like such aic shift.
And I got invited and I'm just like, come on. I mean, I don't know.
I can't. I'm too much of a history nerd to not be like.
Yeah, you have to go that. Yeah.
And I love that you always seem to have like this open ended. Like you're not really you're not attached.
You don't. It feels you don't really attach yourself to you don't get overly attached.

Well, I try to be I try to be attached to principles, you know, and not be attached to politicians. So, you know, it's like I supported Trump in this last election just because I thought Kamala Harris was I thought she was such an insult to all of us.
You know, like it was like, come on, you can't actually do this. and to not have a primary and then just hand select her and then all the all the lying about biden all the going around with yeah the lying about biden was crazy i just couldn't stand that so i supported trump but as soon as trump starts doing something i think is wrong i'll be the first one to be like yeah dude this is he's fucking up yeah i just i think that's the way everyone should be i think people are way way way i hate i.
I hate, I'm also glad for that, that election season's over.

I hate when people get so like dug in where it's like,

you're not even really being a person.

You're not even really having a conversation anymore.

You're kind of getting into this.

Like once you pick a side and you're like,

I've decided my side is the good side.

They're the evil side.

Now you're in a like ends justify the means.

Now you're trying to make the world fit that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's also just a thing where it's like, you would see this all the time. Yeah.
Especially during the election. I mean, I remember being on a couple of these shows that I do where I think I said to Pierce Morgan at one point, like I was just like, I was like, maybe everyone will be willing to have a conversation in a couple of weeks once this election's over.
But right now everyone's just in their dumb, like, cause you're, you get to a point where you're like, I got to just win. My side has to win.
And it doesn't matter about like telling the truth. It doesn't matter about actually grappling with what the other person said.
So I try my best to, to stay away from that. I think it's not good for you.
Yeah. I think, you know, I think that's really how I am.
I'm not like, I'm not the, I was never the biggest Republican or the biggest Democrat. I feel like I was always – I mean I guess I voted Democrat.

I had voted Democrat most of my life.

But I want there to be more parties than there are.

I want – I just want things to be real or I just want to know what's really going on.

I just don't like being taken advantage of.

That's the thing I don't like.

And so, yeah, I think that's my biggest curiosity you know usually is um is trying to think trying to get things to be fair um and yeah just have a voice if i'm right or wrong you know i tried you know i tried to speak up for what i felt like was seemed like tried to be the best you know or whatever i thought was the best but then sometimes you're also so deceived you don't know and that's one thing that's kind of fascinating about life. And that's one thing that I think does get me up these days.
It's like, what a tricky fucking little game of Thrones we're in. Right.
And everybody should feel that way. And you get up and you see where are they tricking you? Who's tricking me? Who's fucking me? Who am I fucking? You know what I'm saying? And it's crazy.
And it's one of these weird things, right? Because it's like someone will, you know, it's like someone online who you don't even know. You could see a video and someone's saying something really compelling and you're like, oh, that's interesting.
And then you're like, oh yeah, but people are liars. So like this guy might be lying to me or the guy he's talking to about might be lying to me.
And, you know, there are things like this all, it's like, you know, there's, you know, part of the thing when the people on CNN or whatever, they'll be like, there's misinformation on the internet. Like, they are right.
There is misinformation on the internet. Did you see the thing with the Hollywood sign on fire? It was burning? It was going super viral.
Like, everyone thought, oh, the Hollywood sign. No, it's just a doctored AI image or whatever.
Yeah, I heard it burned up. There are people who will lie to you.
But then at the same time, the person on CNN who's like, oh, all these guys are lying to you. You're like, yeah, but you're lying to me too, man.
So that's the weird thing navigating this world. There's just like all this information and so much of it's bullshit.
That's a dirty fucking Halloween. And your life is at stake.
And that's what does. That's what fucking puts something on the line, you know? Yeah.
And that is something that's kind of inspiring, man. Yeah inspiring man yeah that and yeah and if you don't speak up and you don't try to say then like yeah it just like that's what you got to do man use your fucking voice you know what i'm saying use your voice um is there anything that you would like to talk about dave you have a tour coming up or anything like that you want to oh i'll be on i'm on the

road like all year it's a comic dave smith.com yeah i got i've got a bunch of ticket links and dates that are up there already and there should be more on the website in the next week or so but you're going to bozeman i'm oh yeah for my the first time ever i've never been to montana so beautiful dude really excited uh to go out there in a few days uh and then louisville fort Wayne Key West

oh wow that should be fun

maybe Nick Swartz it uh to go out there in a few days uh and then louisville fort wayne key west oh wow that should be fun um maybe nick swartzen will be down there at the bar he spent a year in key west during covet at the fucking is that true yeah dude he went this is alleged and i love nick and he's he came here and told the story i think he spent a million dollars at a hotel there just staying in a hotel every night basically yeah i guess if you do that for a year you could rack up a lot of money down in the florida i went to key west for supposed to be 10 days yeah and i was there a year and a half i heard that you ran up a bill at a hotel at the hotel there that was like astronomical it was insane i stayed at a resort on the beach for a year and a half and it cost i heard I heard, a million dollars. I don't think it was a million, but it was a lot of money.

If you tipped, did you tip?

I always tipped.

What do you think it was? When you say a lot of money, how much was it?

I mean, it was definitely probably half a mil for sure.

I feel like it was more than that.

It might have been. I kind of don't want to know.

Yep, see? And that's our Federal Reserve right there.

Well, that is. It's true.

And that's how our Federal Reserve operates. You could have done that for 50 grand on my grandpa's dollar but there you go yeah you can't stay at a resort for a year and a half man that's going to be a really big bill but then also man it's so like spike that's nice he's like you know what fuck it the world might be ending i might have like lung aids or whatever the kid you know whatever they were calling covid and i'm gonna go sit i'm gonna have a margarita and listen to some jimmy buffett there's i definitely know people who did worse during the pandemic than that so that's not bad yeah um yeah montana's great there's a great place to eat there can you look up the farm in bozeman montana i think what it's called.
Oh, by the way, while I'm plugging things, I should mention this one to make my friends happy. But we are a dude, man, you got to come.
But we're doing a skank fest in New Orleans. No way.
During the Super Bowl? Where? Huh? When is it? I believe it's in November. Ooh.
But it is, if you haven't been to Skank Fest, it's the best comedy festival in the world. And we've done it in Vegas for the last few years, but we're moving it to New Orleans this year.
Very excited for that. I've never done comedy in New Orleans before.
Yeah, New Orleans is a one of a contact place to do comedy. Oh, there's the crew right there.
Atel, Dylan, Bobby Kelly. all's in there is that bird in the back mark yeah that is bird mark lewis jay look at him lewis jay with eyeliner on i know god that's hot there's christine right no no what is um her christine christine and rebecca yeah christine and rebecca they're they're the they like run

the whole festival they do a phenomenal job yeah Christine shout out to Christine and Rebecca

Rebecca runs the uh owns the Creek in the Cave in Austin oh great comedy uh oh I've seen her before

I was just there two days ago yesterday that's a fun room oh yeah it is great man Austin's man

Austin dude it's really I'm like man you can do so much stand up there it's a it's like

Thank you. Oh, yeah.
It is great, man. Austin's – man, Austin, dude, it's really – I'm like, man, you can do so much stand-up there.
It's like the new Hollywood, it feels. It's like the new comedy.
It really feels – this is the time I really felt it. Every time I go there, dude, it's just like – and even before Rogan opened the mothership, obviously like more so now.
But even before then, it was just kind of like, oh, there's like an energy here. It's like fun to do spots and hang out and there's like it's i feel like in new york like even which is where i'm from where i started even when i go back there like i don't i like feel like i don't know anyone anymore but like in austin be like oh all my friends are hanging out you know what i mean like it's it reminds me of what it used to be like in new york when it always every night would be all my friends are hanging out now Now you get there, I'm like, I don't know who half of these people are.
Yeah. It's just, I guess that's part of just getting old.
Part of that's getting older too. Yeah, it is.
Did I, I know since you said you're Jewish, did I offend you with anything I said? No. Okay.
No, of course not. Okay, man.
Thanks. No, I was waiting for you to go further.
Further about what? You disappointed me. I did? I'm just kidding.
Oh, no. If you didn't really tear into the Jews.
No, no, no. No, you didn't offend me at all.
Okay. I think you made perfect sense.
Yeah. Sometimes some stuff is hard to talk about.
I think I'm trying to do a better job this year of like being brave about trying to talk about some things, even if it feels kind of scary. Yeah.
Sometimes I have a tough time like saying, hey, slow this down so I can make sure I know what I'm thinking too. Like it's been a – learning to be in conversations has been – it's harder than you think I think sometimes.
No, it's a skill set. It's a real skill set.
And there's a difference also between just like – just like doing your own thing. Like just ranting is a whole different skill set than like talking to somebody.
You know what I mean? And I do think that like I think there's nothing wrong with like being like, hey, all right, hold on. Let me think about that for a little bit.
In fact, I think not nearly enough people do that in conversations. You're like, huh, you just said something.
Let me like actually think about that for a second. Yeah.
Rather than just give you like my first, the first thought that comes to my mind. Let me actually give you like what my genuine thought is.
Yeah. I'm going to try to focus on that a little bit more or unfocus on it a little bit.
So just leave a little bit more room for things. What was one other thing I was going to say? Yeah, man, I just, I love the way you're able to think and share.
And it feels feels very you always feel to me like you are being genuine to what you believe and that's something that I just I think it's important you know because I think that people can know that that's true whether you're right or wrong about stuff you feel like well this is how I feel you know and this is what I think and yeah I just appreciate. I feel like we're in a special time where people are trying to figure stuff out.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I appreciate that. And I do.
That's always what I admire in other people. So that's kind of like what I always try to do.
Like, I'm sure I'm wrong about a lot of stuff, but I'm not lying about anything. And I'm not like I believe everything I'm saying.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm trying. Yeah.
I'm trying. Yeah.
And a lot of it's learning and it's just interesting, man. We're lucky to be able to be alive and think out loud and, and grateful to anybody that listened.
And you got skank fest in new Orleans later this year. You have a comic, Dave Smith.com comic, Dave Smith.com.
And then that's my on Twitter. That's my handle to comic Dave Smith.
Yep. And Dave,

thank you so much,

man.

And best of luck this year with,

with comedy and everything,

man. And I might see it.

The inauguration,

bro.

Hell yeah,

dude.

All right,

man.

Have a good one,

brother.

Thanks for having me. I must be cornerstone.

Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found.

I can feel it in my bones.