E551 Timothée Chalamet

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Speaker 1 Today's guest is one of the biggest young acting person people in the world, acting humans.

Speaker 1 You've seen him in Dune, Willy Wonka, A Beautiful Boy, and now his new movie, A Complete Unknown, where he plays Bob Dylan in theaters Christmas Day. You can check it out.

Speaker 1 I had a great time getting to know him.

Speaker 1 He's an enthralling dang human. Today's guest is Timothy Chalamay.

Speaker 1 We were just in Nashville.

Speaker 1 Let's start there. We good, Zach? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Cool beans.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I saw you were just in Nashville.
Yeah. Had you been there before? Yeah, once, kind of exploring.
I was doing a movie called Bones and All. I was trying to do research.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 My producer's favorite. No way.
Yeah, we just met? Yep, that guy. Zach is his name.
No way. He loves it.
Yeah, he really loves it. No way.
So I had wandered there

Speaker 1 and this time got a better sense of it but it's a great city huh yeah it's a good place it's like a little city it's like a little city

Speaker 1 kind of like a fancy little city it's almost like the jam bonet of cities kind of like day you know look at this outfit kind of you know um but dangerous at the same time but has like kind of like an element of like mystery kind of that's a kind of a weird example no but you're not are you from there no i'm from louisiana but okay but nashville well here's what it is it's safe it's nice people are friendly um you can't cheat on your wife there So it's not.

Speaker 1 Because the city's too small. Too small.
Okay. You couldn't take your wife or spouse or significant other.

Speaker 1 You couldn't even, yeah, like, and you couldn't take them to dinner or something and not see somebody that would know

Speaker 1 one of you or them. So it's.
There's like 14 people? Yeah. Well, there's just, there's enough people, but there's a, it's a, the south's a little gossipy.
Uh-huh. Okay.

Speaker 1 So there's a lot of like, it's not a really an adultery city. It's not a city that's adultery is not like a trademark of the city, probably.
Is it how's it different from New Orleans?

Speaker 1 New Orleans is a little little bit more dangerous i think you know and better probably better food to be honest okay i think you have to have crime to have good food that's kind of how i feel that's i've never heard the mo really yeah that's interesting you ever had um you ever had that uh that yakum in new orleans that yakim is it is not drugs is it

Speaker 1 okay because i've never had yakum i haven't had i haven't had the edible version no oh this thing yeah yeah exactly oh this vietnamese food i don't think so i was was watching top five um

Speaker 1 like top five new orleans street foods

Speaker 1 yakam homie yeah yeah wow that's a deep cut right there it is a very deep cut i thought it came in a small baggie yeah i haven't had this bro i have not had this but you know new orleans has one of the largest uh vietnamese populations really in the country i did not know that i've never been to nola i think so you haven't never oh man a lot of stuff shoots there for some reason i just haven't haven't been there before um

Speaker 1 yeah but you're mythical you know nashville reminded me of austin a little bit you You know, 6th Street? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Promenade a little bit. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Sort of, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that Broadway, that area, that area is really interesting down there.
What else about Nashville that I really like?

Speaker 1 You go to the soccer games ever, Nashville, SE? I haven't been to that. I go to watch Lipscomb College.
They play soccer there. What? At Lipscomb College.
No way. It's a college, and they have soccer.

Speaker 1 And so I'll go watch some of their games. What's their student body population? It's a good question.
Pull it up. Lipscomb College.
Let's see.

Speaker 1 It's one of those colleges that right next to it has the high school also, and then the children's school or whatever. So it's like you can go there from K to senior year of college.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you could go from like K to 40. 4,800 students.
Okay.

Speaker 1 But their soccer team was ranked, has been ranked in the top 25 the past few years. So you love like your diehard, you know, season ticket holder.

Speaker 1 You're there all the time. No, sometimes I'll text my neighbor who's a coach.
You're like, hey, you might have to pop by. You might just pop by and you're quitting there, cool.

Speaker 1 And he'll be on the field. He'd be like, yeah, sure, pull up.
Do you get like the McConaughey UT pass? You can go wherever you want.

Speaker 1 There's not a lot of bleachers. So it's pretty.
So you're basically on the field all the time.

Speaker 1 I was amazed. I was at that UT Georgia game.
McConaughey gets full. Oh, you went to that? He gets full license.
Yeah. He could do whatever he wants.
Because I already had a field pass.

Speaker 1 I thought I was pretty

Speaker 1 high-level in some way. He's like with the coach.
He's calling plays. He's coaching.
He's taping a guy up. He's taping a guy up.
He's like, you're going to be all right. He's living the experience.

Speaker 1 I got a buddy who's on the Nashville soccer team. His name's Alex Mule.
Oh, really? Let's pull him up. Let's give him some shine.
Because I need to go watch him.

Speaker 1 You think if I hit him up, he would invite me to his game? Absolutely. And the games are often sold out.
You know, I grew up with this guy.

Speaker 1 Alex Mule. Yeah, but he was always

Speaker 1 M-M-U-Y-L. That's the bane of his life, man.
Party. Yeah.
People that can't spell Mule. Yeah.
This is amazing, man. I wish this is like, this is what AI is going to be in 20 years.

Speaker 1 You just say it and it pops up. Oh, as we're talking, the computer followers.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Have you ever thought about that? Have you tried?

Speaker 1 Do you use the R? The Vision? Oculus, that kind of thing? No, no, no.

Speaker 1 well, Oculus too, I guess, but the AirPod Vision Project. What do you think? Blue Blockers?

Speaker 1 Probably, the Vision Pro? Vision Pro. What is it? The Apple helmet.
But tell me about Mule. I just wanted to...
Yeah, my bad. So you played ball with him growing up?

Speaker 1 I played ball with him growing up, and he was just gifted, you know. It's tough.
You know, you could play like, it's like that last dance, Chicago Bulls documentary.

Speaker 1 Some of those guys will be partying all night, and then they'll drop. Like Dennis Robin, he'll drop 40.
You know, it's like... And I could work my ass off.

Speaker 1 And if you don't have the gift of physical talent, of athleticism, you're cooked. Yeah, you're done, dude.
Yeah, some people got that damn, you got a damn foot Mozart out there. I don't have that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Alex Mueller is a foot Mozart. Really? Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.
Yeah, I got to go check him out, man. I haven't been to see a game.
It's unfortunate. I did get to go see

Speaker 1 Vanderbilt, which is the college that's that's the SEC college that's actually in Nashville. That's what I visited.
Yeah, I was at Vanderbilt. Oh, yeah, I saw a video of you out there.

Speaker 1 You know, I never had that American college experience. You know, I went to Columbia for a second, then I went to NYU, so I'm jealous of that.
But Vanderbilt respected Vanderbilt.

Speaker 1 It didn't feel like UT or it didn't feel like it had a huge campus or a huge,

Speaker 1 it's a smaller energy. Yeah.
But we went to one game this year. They played Alabama and they beat it.
They upset Alabama. So that was huge.
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 Because usually their football program is not that good, right? It's not. Yeah.
And they know that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're not telling the secret. No, no, you got to keep keeping their place.

Speaker 1 But that was the game they won. And look, they didn't even, it was like all these lawyers and attorneys like tearing down the goalposts.
No, no.

Speaker 1 They even had, they had a, there we are after the game, we actually, we, uh, is it a big law program? Carl Lee is their coach, and he's an awesome guy. I mean, he's a class act, just gets smoked.

Speaker 1 Oh, we got to, yeah. Oh, there you are.
Dude, what are you doing on the field, dude?

Speaker 1 Dude, what are you doing on the field, dude?

Speaker 1 You almost ran that person over. Hey, bro, that's amazing.
Put on a helmet, girl. That was a girl that should not have been.
Yeah, yeah. You almost, you almost ran her over.

Speaker 1 Yeah, she shouldn't be playing wideout, you know. It's just different.

Speaker 1 But no, it's a, what's it like there? It's a, um, oh, after the game. So they had like engineers like, how should we take this down? And then there's just drunk kids like

Speaker 1 rip it down. Yeah.
And then they carried it down Broadway, which is like the street you were talking about, the goalpost, because they've never had it happen.

Speaker 1 Those kids had never broken a law in their life. Yeah.
They even tried to valet park the goalpost at like a restaurant. Yeah.
Is it a fancy, like an expensive, fancy type school?

Speaker 1 I mean, I don't think it's a lot of, it's a lot of kids that have never played probably dice in an alley. I would say that.

Speaker 1 So I would say it's, you know, probably pretty decent, you know? Man. That's pretty crazy, huh? But it is a really cool, it's a cool program, man.
I feel like I could see three stadiums from my hotel.

Speaker 1 I feel like I could see the Vanderbilt one, the Tennessee Titans one, and

Speaker 1 Nissan Stadium. Shout out Nissan.
Yeah. Is Nissan a big Tennessee car manufacturer? That's a good question.
I don't think so. It sounds

Speaker 1 Nissan. It's Japan.
Japanese. It's Japanese.
Huh. Huh.

Speaker 1 Dude, thanks for coming in, Timothy. I appreciate it, man.
Man, thank you. You know,

Speaker 1 I...

Speaker 1 Not with the shameless plug, but I got this movie, A Complete Unknown, coming on Christmas Day. Yeah.
Did you actually see it? Yeah. Fantastic, man.
So I'm excited that we can actually talk about it.

Speaker 1 And I was very much in the time period of the movie the whole time and trying to stay without being a dick, you know, within the bounds of the character.

Speaker 1 But somebody in the hair makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, you know, which is how I discovered it.

Speaker 1 And particularly the episodes with the Garbage Man and sort of like the real-life episodes, The Lunch Lady, The Coroner. Wayne, yeah, Wayne, the Garbage Man.
He's doing good.

Speaker 1 Those are like awesome episodes, you know? Sort of like worldviews that I wouldn't get otherwise, you know. Yeah.
and uh yeah, and you're from New York, right?

Speaker 1 And I'm from New York, so garbage man, he he totally recontextualized that for me. Bro, he did a great job because they used to have, um, they used to have to hate them, you know, yeah,

Speaker 1 yeah, because you think they're taking their time. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, and I realized how tough that job is.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was like throwing, throwing dogs in the back of the, I mean, that story is you remember that? There's a lot of, yeah, a lot of a lot of, yeah, missing,

Speaker 1 formerly living things started to disappear here in the back of the back of the well, they used to have incinerators in the buildings. That's what was craziest.
Right, right.

Speaker 1 So that people would put their trash, it would hit the incinerator, and then they would just have, I mean, this is like six years, seven years ago, I think, but they would just have

Speaker 1 soot in barrels, you know, or in cans on the side of the street. And then they started getting bags.
But he said, yeah, there's been times where a lot of things have shown up.

Speaker 1 But thank you, man, for checking it out. Yeah.
For just hearing it on accident. Yeah, hearing it on accident and loving it.
And I'm so happy you saw this movie. And this is like,

Speaker 1 you know, I hope this isn't like a shameless self-plug, but no, it's not at all.

Speaker 1 we're happy that you're here. And I appreciate it, yeah.
I appreciate it. And you get to do a biopic or biopic.
How do we say? I still don't know, man. Biopic sounds like a medical procedure.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 You know, that sounds like someone is inspecting your lungs to see if you played the role the right way. I like biopic.
Biopic sounds fancier. Yeah, biopic does sound fancier.
I think that's true.

Speaker 1 Yeah, biopic.

Speaker 1 Was it like, so let me think about a question like that. Just so people know, this is about a four or five year period in Bob Dylan's life.
This is a period.

Speaker 1 Yeah, four or five-year period in the early Bob Dylan's life.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure a lot of people listen to your program are already fans of Bob Dylan's, but I'm sure a lot aren't because to my generation, you know. Yeah, people, some people don't know.

Speaker 1 Some don't know. And he's really one of the most fantastic American artists of all time and has influenced our culture in so many deep ways.
And it's just, you know, I grew up on

Speaker 1 kid-cutting and hip-hop, and that was really my,

Speaker 1 you know, my, my, my passion. And then somewhere in my 20s, because this movie I was working on, I became obsessed with this man, Bob Dylan, who's absolutely, I could just speak about him endlessly.

Speaker 1 And, you know,

Speaker 1 I would love if people saw this movie and even if they got a passing interest, discover the world of Bob Dylan. I feel like we get to be a bridge or a gateway to

Speaker 1 this guy. And I hope this isn't one of your episodes where you got like someone,

Speaker 1 you know, like one of the more people skip because it's like a person plugging someone, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Like a, I don't want to use that word celebrity, but like, you know, because my favorite episodes of yours are. Oh, like a fancy, like a fancier person, hypothetically fancy.

Speaker 1 No, I don't mean like that, but just like, I like, like I said, I like the ones that. Yeah, we don't have like a lot of celebrities on.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I never really used that word, but um, no, that's okay. Yeah, no, no, I don't think so.

Speaker 1 Look, man, I think I feel like this part of the job is that, though, because when I'm working, I'm really very much in it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And then here, anyway, yeah, actors get kind of a weird rap, though, because then they also have to be celebrities in some way, yeah, in some way.

Speaker 1 And uh, that's well, well, well, if you want to, if you want to get your movie out, you there's, there's only a limit of how

Speaker 1 pretentious in some way, you know, right, but whatever. You know, I want this, especially this movie.
I believe in this movie and I believe in this man. He's a tremendous artist.
So

Speaker 1 I want to, you know, get it out there. Yeah.
No, I don't think that's, man. I think that, like, you did the movie with the young man with drug addiction with Steve Carell.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, beautiful boy, yeah. Which was awesome.
Yeah. Yeah.
I know you struggle. I've known that.
Yeah. I know you struggle with that a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah, man.
And so many people have.

Speaker 1 And it's like,

Speaker 1 so I don't think there's any doubt in people's mind about your ability to

Speaker 1 be a bridge between whether it be

Speaker 1 a story or a person

Speaker 1 to a new generation or to

Speaker 1 new listeners or people.

Speaker 1 And I appreciate you bringing a beautiful boy. And I feel like you're doing the exact same thing, not to just blow smoke up each other's ass, but I feel like when you...

Speaker 1 Oh, we're a couple of naughty Native Americans right here. Come on, come on.
Yeah, boy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 If you're listening to this and not watching this, we're fully, the bottom half of our bodies are. We're out here boothing, huh? It's getting spicy out here.
I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 1 Okay, I don't either. I don't even know what that means.
Take that out. But no, no, no, but

Speaker 1 because I know you speak on it too, and you probably empower people, you know, that

Speaker 1 otherwise would be

Speaker 1 doing some naughty stuff. Yeah, people want to hear us.
People want to see it. People want to see like a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about it.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 So about the character, like, so Bob Dylan has like such a famous, because yeah, a lot of younger generation might not know about him, you know? know yeah and um

Speaker 1 a lot of um

Speaker 1 he has such like uh

Speaker 1 that's a good bob dylan man was it yeah that was good how did you do when you first decided because i wish you had to practice it in your room or something like tell me about the first that was super gradual can't do it with people that are fans because people that are fans of bob dylan will go they'll all tell you got it wrong that's the trouble with playing someone so famous and beloved everyone's got an opinion about him yeah so You got to put the blinders on and just kind of do it around people that,

Speaker 1 you know, look, man, I'm usually not that prick actor who's like obliging his friends or whatever to listen to the character he's working on. But this is the one time I did that.

Speaker 1 Oh, I think you have to do that. You have to.
Because, yeah, you don't want to get out there and do a bad job of it. Exactly, man.
This would have been blasphemous. I would have gotten killed.

Speaker 1 I mean, I could still get killed. Yeah.
But now it seems like, you know, getting a little bit of

Speaker 1 love. You know what I'm saying? You might be bad.
A little bit of that. Hey, snipers down.
Lay down. Snipers.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 But was there a moment where you tried that, where you actually tried it? Yes, very gradually.

Speaker 1 I had to. There's a great dialect coach named Tim Monic.
You know, you can work with people that are like experts in this field, and they'll tell you

Speaker 1 how to go about it. This man, Tim Monic, invented dialect coaching.
He came up with it. Tim Monic, let's say.
Tim Monica. T-I-N-T-A Gander.
M-O-N-I-C-H.

Speaker 1 He's worked with Leonardo DiCaprio. He's worked with everyone.

Speaker 1 Oh, so he's a famous dialect coach. I've never looked him up before.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Tim Monic.
There he is right there. Okay.
Is that the man? Yeah, there I am with him. I got in trouble anyway.
Oh, you did?

Speaker 1 what happened to you i got in trouble because the strike had just hit and i was just hanging out with him and and i didn't really get in trouble but people people uh people thought i was people i thought i was a scab and i was working with him oh yeah but um he's a crossing lisp lines or whatever

Speaker 1 you're right dude you're right you're right that's the only

Speaker 1 that's the only only union where you'd be crossing the picket line by working on your tongue

Speaker 1 but it was a real thing dude oh yeah

Speaker 1 really scab stop working on the accent how dare you learn spanish yeah Exactly.

Speaker 1 Wow. Man, next time I'll call you.
Because actually, when you put it like that, it's like, what are you supposed to do?

Speaker 1 And I wasn't working with him. I was hanging out.

Speaker 1 We went to a shitty, super shitty.

Speaker 1 It's bleak, man. Like, the way Bob Dylan, when he came up, there was like all these cafes in downtown New York and the music.
And now I was trying to find the folk scene in modern day Manhattan.

Speaker 1 It was brutal. Oh, I think in Manhattan, probably.
Maybe like somewhere in the village, probably, right? Yeah, but it was brutal.

Speaker 1 I mean, I went to Cafe Wa where Bob Dylan came up, and it's just like Aerosmith covers now.

Speaker 1 So some guy like, Dream Ow! And you're like, oh, man, yeah, this is not how it was.

Speaker 1 It's just like a small Aeropostale in the back, kind of.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that's kind of a bummer. Did you have to meet Bob to get into this? I never got the chance to meet him.
Not yet at all. Oh, he's super reclusive.
Yeah. He's elusive.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Is that reclusive? Yeah, I don't know if I'll ever see the movie.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 He did this. X post.
I've been taught to say it's not tweet anymore, I guess. Fucking X post.

Speaker 1 But that he did it like three days ago, you know and um uh that was more than the he he he uh there's a movie about me opening soon called a complete unknown um timothy shallomay is starring in the lead role timmy's a brilliant timmy is a brilliant actor i kind of respect it though nice honoring your youth yeah yeah yeah's my 12-year-old expression dude timmy's a brilliant actor so i'm sure he's going to be a completely believable as me or a younger me or some other me the film's taken from elijah walds dylan goes electric a book that came out in 2015.

Speaker 1 It's a fantastic retelling of events from the early 60s that led up to the fiasco at Newport. After you've seen the movie, read the book.
Oh, it's nice. Super sweet.
And then.

Speaker 1 So, do you even talk to him on the phone or anything yet? No, nothing. I never got the chance to talk to him.
Yeah, I like that you pointed that out to me.

Speaker 1 I tried, you know, when I was 19, 20, I was, you know, I was evolving into Timothy.

Speaker 1 Shed some letters.

Speaker 1 Add some letters. Add some letters from Timmy to Timothy.
Yeah, I thought you were going Tim. Sorry.
Tim would be. You're going Timothy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tim lives.
You had from Timothy to Timothy.

Speaker 1 Yeah, 40s, 50s, couple ex-wives. Then you go Tim.
Then you go Tim. You know,

Speaker 1 I'm like,

Speaker 1 you know, like mowing my lawn all day. Yeah, Tim.
Exactly. Missed a spot.
Missed the spot. Yeah.
You know. You're like, oh, there's a bird's nest there.
Calm down.

Speaker 1 Sort of a disgruntled expression on my face watching my kids sports games because they're not playing to the level that I would have. Swim meet, too.
Got a swim meet.

Speaker 1 Swim meets the worst because you can't even talk to the person next to you because it echoes so much in the room. I've never been to a swim meet in my life.

Speaker 1 Even if you whisper a little that people hear it. It travels.
Yeah. It travels.
Oh, you cannot gossip. How many swim meets? You go to Lipscomb College swim meets? I mean, I don't go to the...

Speaker 1 I've been it. Yeah, I've been at some meeting.
You got to be careful, dude. Yeah, I do.
You're right. And it is, and I definitely watch from my car with binoculars, so it's not too crazy.

Speaker 1 So it's normal. It's totally normal.

Speaker 1 So the fact you've been doing it since your early 20s means that, you know.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It's cool.
I've got a grandfather there. Your grandfather.
That guy's not a pedophile. Yeah, he's an artist.
He's an artist.

Speaker 1 And this show happened. You know, this show sprouted in this period of you doing that.
So how can you fault the process? The proof of the pudding. Yeah.

Speaker 1 How do you expect him not to rehearse his own life?

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 you can't. That's the thing.
You just can't gossip at a swim meet, man. Yeah.
What are you talking about? I don't know. I've never been to a swim meet.

Speaker 1 You know, that's a very non, you know, like there's four pools in New York City. Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean? That's just. Yeah, we don't have swim meets, but we have.

Speaker 1 What do you guys think? We take dice in the alleys like you were saying before. No, I'm kidding.
But, you know, I was thinking about this the other day.

Speaker 1 Like, my high school, they wouldn't let us out for lunch. Would they let you out for lunch or no? Oh, yeah.
You could do whatever you wanted at lunch. They didn't let us out.

Speaker 1 I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school, by the time I got out, I looked sickly. I haven't recovered.
Oh, it got very, you got kind of like, yeah, very.

Speaker 1 Anemic. Yep, anemic.
I'm sure. What else is it called? Kind of Boo-Radley-esque.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Exactly.
Exactly. You know? Yeah, because they should give you at least an hour in the sun.
They give it to inmates.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And just because I'm learning social studies, I don't get it.
I don't get it. Exactly.
And then I'd be in the basement doing just acting all day.

Speaker 1 Just because I'm learning fucking Voltaire, I don't get 40 minutes. I don't get 40 minutes in the sun.
A raisin got in the sun. Hey.
I don't. Hey, that's a good point.
I was right there, man.

Speaker 1 Denzel Washington. I will accept that.

Speaker 1 Denzel Washington. Thank you.
I heard you're a big

Speaker 1 play guy. Really? No.
Oh, that's it. I was like, God, I don't want that going around.

Speaker 1 Hey, man, that would, listen, that's the subversive.

Speaker 1 No one would expect it.

Speaker 1 That's very low-key, dude.

Speaker 1 Is there a theater in Nashville? Yeah, there's. It's got to be.
There is a theater program. That's a good question.
I grew up in Louisiana. We had some theater.
We just did like.

Speaker 1 Did you ever do theater growing up? Yeah, I did. I did.
Well, it was just called Drama Club or whatever.

Speaker 1 And it was a lot of people who was, it was a lot of people, I think, that were wanted to be actors, and then a lot of people that just were kind of like... The outsiders.
Yeah, outsiders.

Speaker 1 I went to the high school as the opposite. The drama kids were the cool kids.
Yeah, and the basketball kids were like.

Speaker 1 There's like four of them. Bro, that's got to be interesting because a lot of people don't get that opportunity.

Speaker 1 No, it skewed my perception of the real world because then I got to Columbia and I was like, oh shit, the value system is totally different.

Speaker 1 But actually, in a serious way, it kind of motivated me to go pursue my acting even harder. But did you ever think about acting? You're like, what's the exchange rate on this Hamlet scene?

Speaker 1 No, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Exactly.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I did just some stuff at school, but I would always mess it up. Like we did like Sherlock Holmes or something.
And I was like Watson or whatever, his buddy or whatever. It's like his

Speaker 1 man crushed, whatever. And our guy was very like progressive.
So he tried to make it, there would be like this small like lover scene or just like some

Speaker 1 ambiance between Sherlock and Watts and you didn't go for it? I don't know if I went for it or not. I was was like 13.
You gotta go out there, man. You gotta be bold.
You gotta be volunteer.

Speaker 1 You would have earned the respect of all your classmates. Or actually, I don't know what you're fronting.

Speaker 1 But yeah, there was this definitely kind of romantic where they're looking for the clues and they are kind of finding each other. That's what the guy said.
And I was like, this seems like insane.

Speaker 1 But you didn't do it.

Speaker 1 I tried my best. But then I remember the first night I got out there on stage, I took on this Latino accent for some reason.
That's a strong choice, man. It's awesome.
Nobody knew it was coming.

Speaker 1 Perfect. And I was like, what's up, Holmes? You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And And then, so yeah, that was just, and that's when I realized it was tough for me to be in some ensemble things.

Speaker 1 I just wanted to be by myself, you know, like that kind of thing. You found this

Speaker 1 sort of format, right? Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 Would you do a movie

Speaker 1 if it came your way?

Speaker 1 If I've got to make it myself, I think. Okay, all right.
You don't want to be slotted into something? I don't think so.

Speaker 1 I just am super protective about myself for some reason, which may seem kind of weird. I don't know.
For some reason, for some reason, you had me on.

Speaker 1 That was a bad choice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 No, a good choice, dude. Yeah.

Speaker 1 So in New York, when you were a kid, like, who was your best friend? Best friend growing up?

Speaker 1 Nobody can. He was always pursuing acting, dude.
Are you really? I was born. I was bred at Warner Brothers Studios in a little embryo fluid.
It was just like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, man, you know, probably Brett Goldstein, you know. A kid in your building or something? No, he was a kid on the Upper West Side.
And my older sister was friends with his older sister, Brenna. And

Speaker 1 just, I think they still live there, Greg and Bess, those are his parents. And Brett, you know, that was my whole friend group.

Speaker 1 Then they all, my whole friend group went to this school called Computer School. And then I went to a school called Booker T.
Washington. So

Speaker 1 I lost my friend group there.

Speaker 1 And do you have a roommate now? No. You don't? Thank God, man.
That's like more than that. Sorry.
I mean, but fucking, that's more than anything. That's what Jesil Nick says on Netflix.

Speaker 1 He says, you really made it when you don't have a roommate anymore. Oh, yeah.
That's in New York. And life.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Well, yeah, I think, well, especially in New York because it's so expensive. In other places, some people get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever.

Speaker 1 Do you have a roommate? I don't have a roommate, you know. I would like to get one, or I'd like to get a wife maybe this year.

Speaker 1 Next year. How do you go?

Speaker 1 2021. That's what I'm calling it tweet.

Speaker 1 How do you go about that? I think getting out there and meeting people. Do you have friends that

Speaker 1 you would trust to set you up? Some, but sometimes you're shocked at who they'll set you up with. Really? Like, you're insulted? I mean, you're just like, well, we must think

Speaker 1 you think differently of me about you. About you.

Speaker 1 How so? Give me an example. Just like.
No names, but

Speaker 1 just somebody put me all with like a, you know, just a

Speaker 1 woman that had like, you know, any way I say this, I lose here. Okay.
All right, all right, all right, all right, all right, enough set. Just people that there was no.

Speaker 1 How do you do this format? Like, you're never nervous that people are going to watch that you're talking about?

Speaker 1 Yeah, but I just make sure that I just try and don't say anything that would be really mean about somebody. So right there, it could have got weird.
Right. And you send.

Speaker 1 You'll send scary people after people, you know? Oh, well, I mean, we'll think about it. You'll send guys in suits outside people's house.
Make sure they don't.

Speaker 1 There's a podcast sphere out there that things, you know, get handled or whatever. I don't want to use that term.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it's terrifying.
It's not a, there's no lawyer involved.

Speaker 1 You're just winging it. The Lord is our lawyer.
That's some of these people's motto. Right, right, right, right.
So, right, right. It gets kind of like that.
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Speaker 1 Do you,

Speaker 1 when you go into a role like this, do you start to think like, so a lot of younger people will think that you're, you're Bob Dylan.

Speaker 1 You almost become, you almost take a piece of the person's existence in a strange way. Does that make any sense to you? Yeah, man.
Yes and no, you know, because I've become such a fan of his that

Speaker 1 it's not like I feel like I'm a blemish on the legacy, but I don't know. No, not at all.
That's not what I mean. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 Some people are going to think you are Bob. They're going to when they think of him in the future, your face will come in.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying that even if I have like, you know, a healthy amount of self-respect, it's never going to come close to who he is. So I like the idea that I could be a bridge.

Speaker 1 But like I had a buddy that said the Johnny Cash movie, Joaquin Phoenix, who is the same director, walked the line.

Speaker 1 He said, you know, I actually like Joaquin's versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash's songs, but I never wanted that.

Speaker 1 I sincerely, I don't want that to happen here because, and I wanted to protect against it because Bob's got this raw voice. He's got this like iron voice.
And

Speaker 1 I don't want, I never wanted these songs to be sort of like more gentle than his songs, you know, and had to fight against that because the recordings we made, a lot of them were super, it's hard, man.

Speaker 1 He was playing on a beat up guitar with shitty recorders. He had a bronchitis in his early 20s.
His voice was all fucked up. And

Speaker 1 I didn't want it to be like watered down, you know, because he very purposefully was, he liked Jack Kerouac and Moriarty.

Speaker 1 He, you know, a lot of the books I read said, he didn't have great hygiene, you know, stuff like that. So I didn't want the movie to be watered down all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 But you wanted to honor him as much as you could. Yeah, exactly.
But also without being him as much.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not through this Hollywood version, basically. Right.
Because he's biopics. It's a fine line, man.

Speaker 1 And I've never done anything like this. I usually play a role.
Actually, sort of. Wonka, you did.
Yeah, Wonka. I did it.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 But But that's maybe not real. No, but it's.
Yeah, thank God. Well, don't tell the children.
Thank God. Thank God.
No, but Larry also, you know, probably have to get psychiatric help.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 no, but and there's a certain pressure with that Wonka, too. People are like very protective of characters they love.

Speaker 1 You know, they don't want, and there's sort of like a cynicism about Hollywood, you know, about like why they keep revisiting.

Speaker 1 The Wonka thing I felt was justified because it's a new story. We weren't doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
We were doing sort of an origin. And by the way, I don't know if you've seen Wonka.

Speaker 1 Have you? Yeah, which one have I seen? Yeah, I've seen all of them. You watched it while you were in the car spying on the

Speaker 1 list.

Speaker 1 You had it playing on the audio.

Speaker 1 First of all, if you've never seen the Wonka movie, you just listen to the audio. That's a little bit...
That's already weird, too. It's kind of a, yeah.
Yeah. It's interesting.

Speaker 1 They had Stevie Wonder at the movie last night. Oh, really? Yeah.
Interesting bridge right there. No, but I was the same thing, man.
I was like,

Speaker 1 just, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 No disrespect, but I was just like, no, the godfather of surround sound, basically. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. That's what I heard.
The premiere was pretty interesting.

Speaker 1 So last night was your premiere. It was premiere in L.A., man.
It was great.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, thanks for coming the day after your premiere. Yeah, that was a little late.
I apologize, man. Were you guys up late?

Speaker 1 We were up late, and I basically, I shot this movie, Marty Supreme, all the fall. These crazy directors, you know, or crazy director Josh Saff.
You ever see Uncut Gems? Oh, yeah, so good.

Speaker 1 That director. So it's kind of that energy, that chaotic thing.
So it wasn't like a low energy shoot. This was like 16-hour days for three months.
Then I went right into this.

Speaker 1 So I haven't been like drinking at all. Not that I've ever really had had a problem with it, but just, you know, because these days, and I actually find my mind is so much sharper.

Speaker 1 I'm amazed I haven't gotten sick through this whole

Speaker 1 last couple months, but last night I didn't have a couple drinks. I'm kind of fried today, man.
Yeah. I'm sorry, my voice is a little.
No, you got to fry. Did you have to get up and make a speech?

Speaker 1 What's it like at something like that?

Speaker 1 I, oh, man, great question. It's like.
Oh, here we are. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 I don't do, I don't do the,

Speaker 1 I call it instant nostalgia, you know? Oh, seeing these pictures like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of bizarre, isn't it? Yeah, it's kind of bizarre, man.

Speaker 1 This is good because this is, I'll say this. It's a great cast and a great, uh,

Speaker 1 a great director. So we all have fun.
Edward Norton, man. Edward Norton should come on this podcast, man.
He's a legend, absolute legend. Oh, yeah.
He's a super legend. Yeah, he was in the

Speaker 1 you ever see Rounders? Yeah. You play, do you play Texas Hold him? Yeah, I play it sometimes.

Speaker 1 He's good. And both of the actresses were great, the ladies in it.
Oh, and his wife was in it. What's her name?

Speaker 1 Erico. Erico.
Erico. Yeah.
Yeah, they got a beautiful group of ladies in there and men, too. Yeah, look at Boyd Holbrook, man, with the blue suit on.
Oh, that's a handsome man. Is he real handsome?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 he's a stud. Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude.
Like a lot of people. You are, man.
Look at the people. I've seen so many people.
Calm down, brother.

Speaker 1 I've seen so many people ape your haircut. Really? Yeah.
Oh, yeah, there's a lot of freaking thieves out there. How long have you had it? This haircut I've had for probably...

Speaker 1 It's a little dicey today. I've had it for probably...

Speaker 1 Well, I had it as a child oh no way so this goes back oh yeah and then i tried to like blend in like whenever i moved to hollywood and stuff and it didn't work for me and so then i tried to blend out oh so you started in la before nashville yeah yeah i lived out here for 12 years i was doing stand-up comedy this is where i started doing stand-up comedy oh yeah where at the comedy store and stuff like that yeah yeah

Speaker 1 comedy store it was awesome man i really enjoyed it and a whole like sort of generation of comedians came out that of there then huh yeah and that was like um Yeah, all types.

Speaker 1 They had like Chris Dalia, Tom Segura. Is that a bigger, bigger comedy base here than New York, you think?

Speaker 1 That's a good question. You know what's so funny? They're totally different from each other.
And some people in one don't even know the people in the other.

Speaker 1 Because the audience is different, you think?

Speaker 1 It's just a total different group of people. Like you go there, and it's almost like it feels like you just start all over.
It's just a total different.

Speaker 1 Like I'll go into a club there and it feels like a whole different thing. I'm walking into a club for the first time.
In New York, you don't think you get the love you get out here? I think

Speaker 1 you'll get a lot of respect, but you just feel that way. It's not your territory, you know.
Right, right, right, right.

Speaker 1 And you want to give respect to the guys guys that that's their grounds that they walk on every day. Interesting, interesting, interesting.
Because that's where they live.

Speaker 1 Like, if somebody came out and was like being real flashy, but they're not in your thing in your kind of club here, it would be the same way, I think. Interesting.
So there's a lot of code of conduct.

Speaker 1 Would you ever do Saturday Night Live?

Speaker 1 I don't know, man. You know, it's so funny.
I went and saw it recently. It's crazy, right? It's a crazy setup.
It is crazy. You did it? Yeah, I've done it twice.
Oh, you have? Okay.

Speaker 1 Super dialed in, right? I should have known that. Oh, yeah, dude.
Oh, yeah. I went with Chris Farley's brother.

Speaker 1 It was the first time that he'd been back to go to SNL since his brother was on there, since he'd went with him. So it was pretty cool.
What was that like for him?

Speaker 1 He was, he, dude, he told so many great stories. I wish they'd have put him out on stage.
I was like, have him go out there. Right.
Tell his stories. It was just classic, man.

Speaker 1 But I went to watch Bill Burr. I'm a big Bill Burr fan.
So I went to watch him. Did you see the last Sandler special on Netflix? McGee performed that night, too.
That was sick. That was dope.

Speaker 1 That was awesome. Yeah.
And then

Speaker 1 there we are right there with Chris Farley's brother. I thought that was McGee.

Speaker 1 Dude, you you look like you're 23, man. Dude, it is.
It's true. I look like your hair cut or not.
HGH.

Speaker 1 I got to get some HGH.

Speaker 1 Do you work out? Yeah, I do work out, dude. Yeah, I do.
God.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I went today, I mean. That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 But yeah,

Speaker 1 once. Works out once.

Speaker 1 What else do I want to know about this film? So you didn't hear anything from Bob. What about like his wife or his kid or something? No, his kids,

Speaker 1 you know, almost towards the start, the Monica who plays Joan Baez in the movie, she was in touch with Joan the whole time.

Speaker 1 And I thought about reaching out to his kids, but the thing is, when somebody gets revered like Bob at some point, he becomes this legend. You know,

Speaker 1 people can sanitize the past.

Speaker 1 What do you mean by that when you say that just so we know? They could present the best version of someone, you know, and not present their flaws.

Speaker 1 You know, even a lot of the documentaries about Bob, they just paint him as a genius. There's one documentary called Don't Look Back, this D.A.
Pennybaker one, where you actually see him raw.

Speaker 1 It just captures his behavior. And it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back, you know, on letting himself be filmed.
And so that was like the biggest help for me.

Speaker 1 And I thought about talking to his kids or his grandkids. But actually, I was at the University of Minnesota like three days ago.
We're doing a, doing a sort of a screening for the students there.

Speaker 1 And then someone said, this is Milo Dylan. This is his grandnephew.
And he looked like, kind of looked like Bob. And he said, can we get a picture?

Speaker 1 And then he put his finger out and he said, you FaZe?

Speaker 1 And then I said, well, like the video game. Like FaZe clan? Like the video game? He said, no, never mind.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 1 So the new Dylan, so even all the Dylans are unique. Yeah, I don't know what that means.
You phase? You phase with the finger like that? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I mean, I know FaZe Banks. I don't know a lot of the FaZe guys.

Speaker 1 I know that one of them gave CPR to sketch one night or something when he wasn't doing good. Whoa.

Speaker 1 But anyway, I shouldn't have said that out loud. Who sketched? I don't know who Sketch is.
What's up, brother? That guy. Did you see him? No.
Oh, my gosh. Wow.

Speaker 1 It's crazy how different worlds are so different, dude.

Speaker 1 Sketch him. I know.
Oh, my God. No.
Oh, oh, yes, I have. I have.
I have. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What's up, brother? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 He's been on this. Oh, yeah, he's been on this.
Yeah, yeah. He's great.
Yeah, yeah. He is so creative.
He has one of the most creative minds I've been around. Yo.

Speaker 1 Just like he has his own pentameter of making jokes and stuff. It's pretty fast.
Is he a stand-up? Nope, he's not a stand-up. I think there's this new thing that goes on now, whereas if somebody's,

Speaker 1 it's interesting what's going to happen with stand-up, because stand-up has been this thing that people always go practice and then they go do.

Speaker 1 But now a lot of people build so much traction from social media that they pop off like that. Right.
So then how do you, but then how do you take that and perform it? Is there a performance element?

Speaker 1 It's a whole different thing. Yeah.
Yeah. Because some people on their podcast are grand and the stand-up is different, right? Yeah, it's different.
Do you feel like stand-ups in a golden era?

Speaker 1 I feel like it's like boxing. I feel like now I feel like Netflix kind of made it

Speaker 1 sexy again in some way. Yeah, I think, well, the news got like very

Speaker 1 all the same, I feel like. And it got very, what a lot of people believe may be

Speaker 1 commandeered by advertising in a way. Right, right, right, right, right.
Some of that happens. It's capitalism.
So I think podcasting was just this like... Became this open format.
Yes.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where it was like, okay.
And also, you know that you're really resonating in some way. Yeah.
Right. Because it's not dollars that, or it's not like.

Speaker 1 Well, especially in the beginning, for the first like four or five years, you're not really making any money. So it's like

Speaker 1 you're just doing your best. You're just keeping it.

Speaker 1 And then at a certain point, like people will say, well, if you're not going to let me say what I want, then get your advertising off of my network.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's a risk, man.

Speaker 1 It's not a risk dollars-wise, right? Oh, it's a risk dollars-wise, yeah. I mean, Dana White was on here one time, and one of our episodes got pulled down because of

Speaker 1 we had Bobby Kennedy on this, a political friend, a buddy of mine, but who also ended up going into politics. But they didn't want to be associated with it or whatever.

Speaker 1 And anyway, Dana was on and he said,

Speaker 1 who called and said they, and we were like, it was this

Speaker 1 Kellogg's. It was a biking company or something.
No, it was like a Proton or whatever it's called. Peloton.
Peloton. Peloton.
Interesting.

Speaker 1 And dude, the next thing you know, people all across the country were throwing Pelotons into the Boston Rib.

Speaker 1 Well, they give you heart attacks, too. Do they really? Well, that's not going to help them.
No, no, based on that, Sex in the City. Oh, yeah.
You know, Mr. Biggs.
That's how he died.

Speaker 1 I didn't see that. You see that he died on the Peloton episode.

Speaker 1 He dies in the episode. And then their stock crashed because people thought it was killing it.
It's like, and they obviously had to sign off on that. I guess.
That wouldn't be a good idea.

Speaker 1 That's a real thing, thing, right, Mr. Biggs? I think.
Can we store it? I'm still pulling it up. Anyway.

Speaker 1 Oh, there he is. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 That's what happens when you. He married Samantha, huh?

Speaker 1 I don't know about this show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 What else was I going to think about? Oh, when you think about it, so I just want to make sure that we get a lot about this film and what I thought that was. Yeah, what did you like about it? And

Speaker 1 you don't have to like the movie, but were you, did you know anything about Bob Dylan before or no? Nope. Well, yeah, I know some of his music.

Speaker 1 Did your parents, or your mom listened to it? Oh, yeah, my mom listened to it. My bad, this kid I grew up with, he would play it in his room every night.
He had the harmonic and everything.

Speaker 1 He was a big Bob Dylan fan. Yeah, my, my, um, my friend Ty, who I used to live with, uh, who, uh, yeah, I mean, Bob Dylan was the first mumble rapper.
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, man, absolutely.

Speaker 1 Yeah, whining with a back. Absolutely.
Everybody's like,

Speaker 1 you know, thinking that it was some of these other guys, like Uzi Vert or maybe Kodak Black.

Speaker 1 He's just a mumbler. I mean, at a certain point, can we just say that? He's great.
Yeah. He was a mumbler.
I mean, at some point he enunciated better. Yeah.
But definitely early on.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's got a little rocky. I feel like it's gotten rocky recently.
Which is cool, man. He might be going through some stuff, too.
Who knows?

Speaker 1 Sometimes it's so hard to know, you know, what people are doing. Well, he definitely keeps it behind a

Speaker 1 screen. We don't know what's going on.
Yeah. I probably said more in this interview than he said his whole life.
It's mythical. I probably do.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 That'd be great if we had a word. It's like a word counter for you and Kodak.
Yeah. You're like just miles ahead of us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally.

Speaker 1 Dude, you could sneeze and be like seven words ahead of him. I feel like

Speaker 1 you said it. You said it.

Speaker 1 What about some other? Well, I just want to think of anything else about the film that was... Was it hard to learn the music?

Speaker 1 Did you have any issues with that or how did you guys know that? Not really. I mean, I had five years to work on it.
So I took guitar lessons with a great... Wait, you had five years to work on this.

Speaker 1 Wait, because you auditioned for it over a long period of time.

Speaker 1 Well, 2018, we were supposed to do it summer of 2020. Then the pandemic hit.
Then I just kept working on it, kept working on it. I was supposed to do it the summer of 2023.

Speaker 1 Then the strike hit, which is when I was coaching, still getting in trouble for doing my,

Speaker 1 you know, getting rid of my lisp. I'm just kidding.
Oh, when you were meeting with that guy in the dark alleys to freaking

Speaker 1 keeping your tongue down when you say certain vowels.

Speaker 1 Down with the palace.

Speaker 1 Hey, man, you know. Do you work? You know, I years ago, I went to a voice.
You don't actually talk like this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Your voice is actually super high.
When I walked in here today, Theo's voice was super high.

Speaker 1 I'm a Disney character,

Speaker 1 dude. And he kept doing this weird thing.
He'd rock back and forth.

Speaker 1 That's how he welcomed me.

Speaker 1 He insisted that I jump on his back and get brought in here. And he put me on the couch.

Speaker 1 Then he assumed the character we all know, that is Theo Vaughn. But I actually wanted him to jump on my front, dude.
When people do front side piggybacks, that's kind of

Speaker 1 never heard of that in my life. And that's when I, hey, that's when I quit playing tennis in junior high school, I'll tell you.
But listen, you got to be strong enough to do that. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 I could probably do it to you.

Speaker 1 I'm getting you out of your comfort zone, man.

Speaker 1 You cannot do a front-side piggyback list

Speaker 1 when

Speaker 1 we finish this. You know, I'm jumping on the front.
And anybody that can draw a picture of Timothy and me and involved in front-side piggybacking, let me know.

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Speaker 1 No, I'm going to be like that, and I'll suplex you on there. I'm right through there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we should get that.
Yeah. It's that time of year, man.
It's a holiday.

Speaker 1 Come on, it's the holidays. You know, this is the holidays in America in 2024.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Are you a big holidays guy? You know what? I think it does remind me a little bit to slow down, kind of, you know, which is nice because life gets going pretty fast a lot of times.

Speaker 1 Do you think you're more elfish or Santa?

Speaker 1 Oh, it's a good question. Oh, I wish I could be a little more Santa.
Do you think you're so

Speaker 1 sometimes a little more Mrs. Cause like I'll start bitching about a lot of shit? About nothing.
Yeah. About nothing.
I'll just get elageated. But I just got to slow down.

Speaker 1 It's just been like a long year. Yeah, you've been busy.
Yeah. What are you going to do for you to go away or anything? Yeah, I'm going to go to Louisiana and see some family.

Speaker 1 Then I might try to take a vacation for a few days. We'll see.
A little Baton Rouge. Yeah.
My family lives right down there. So what about you?

Speaker 1 i'm gonna be here because i've been all over the place i'm going to new york tonight then i go to london and then uh do all this promo for the movie oh you have to promo for this movie for how long does promo take well it's coming out on christmas so i'm going every day you know but i love the movie that's why that's why you know that's why shit man i'm trying to go as hard as possible and uh

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 you know and then fucking uh come back here and

Speaker 1 be with my family be with my new little niece oh you got a new niece yeah first one first one let's go dude that's a crazy what's her name can you bring a picture of her or Did you just show a picture of her?

Speaker 1 I don't even think. I think my sister's kept her offline.
You know, my sister lives in a sort of like

Speaker 1 a group of people in like a forest type thing in France.

Speaker 1 No way.

Speaker 1 Near ANSI? Yeah, near Nancy, yep.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. In a forest, no, no internet.
I'm just fucking with you. I'm sorry, bro.

Speaker 1 No, I'm sorry. No, no.

Speaker 1 Let's check in on your sister. You know, let's email her a meal.

Speaker 1 Let's give her a French, French groupon. French groupon.
No, but she's

Speaker 1 yeah yeah yeah yeah no groupons in France man no groupons in France no groupons and a high property tax they have high property tax over there absolutely beautiful property beautiful property and they don't want people just coming and you know not you know milling around for 40 bucks a month property tax I'm in that age now where I'll chat GBT like what are the most attractive low property tax places yeah in America or around the world.

Speaker 1 Oh yeah. One of them was my neighborhood growing up, dude.
I remember our property tax was $8 one year. My mom paid in cash dude right out of her purse.
I was like, where do we live at?

Speaker 1 Who's she giving it to?

Speaker 1 The guy that came by. Was it a legit guy, you think? He looked pretty legit.
He had all of his buttons on his hit. He had a hoodie that said government.

Speaker 1 He had a couple of them. Yeah.
She just gave him eight bucks. Oh, man.
Same thing, man. I grew up in like a Mitchell Lama.
You know about Mitchell Lama? Mitchell Lama. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 The restaurant stars or whatever? No, no, no, no, no. Mitchell Llama is like,

Speaker 1 there's like two verse, to my understanding, there's two versions of like good arts housing. Or you got section eight.
That means you're paying like under 800 bucks. Mitchell Llama.

Speaker 1 yep. Oh, that damn Mitchell Llama, brother.
Absolutely. Oh,

Speaker 1 that's me, baby. Moderate.
Mitchell Lama program provides affordable rental and cooperative housing to moderate and middle-income families. You're just talking about Alphabet City, basically.

Speaker 1 Alphabet, dude. Wow.
So, how do you know you're

Speaker 1 New York, man? I like New York. I like, I mean, yeah, it's definitely fascinating.
You ever live there?

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'll just stay there for like maybe three months at the most. I would live there.

Speaker 1 If I get a wife and she lives there, I'll stay. I'll go live there.
What's the ideal, you know? What does she look like both inside and out?

Speaker 1 Well, she looks like, probably looks like a nice lady, I think. Let me think about the rest of it.
Probably maybe played volleyball, maybe didn't. Maybe

Speaker 1 likes to

Speaker 1 be a mom, maybe. I don't know, dude.

Speaker 1 She's looking for a human. Likes to laugh, has a good sense of humor.
Okay. Because people that laugh get jokes usually.
Like, you can't

Speaker 1 unless you're just something's wrong with you and something. You just laugh every now and then.
Right. Right.
So, like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Could you do somersaults?

Speaker 1 Ooh, I hope she can, but I'm not trying to be some kind of pervert or whatever, you know, but I wouldn't mind seeing one every now and then, especially if it's holidays or whatever and she wants to, you know, pop off a damn B handspring or something before everybody cuts into some lackeys or whatever.

Speaker 1 I'm down for it.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I think I'm open to a lot of different things at that time. Yeah, yeah.
You know, and like handstands and shit? I mean, okay. I don't know what you're going to get here.

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Speaker 1 So yeah, so I think, yeah, it's like, I just don't, you know, I think more will be revealed about who the lady could be,

Speaker 1 but I'm also just being more open to it.

Speaker 1 You know, it's like, you got to be open to that to get a wife to be like oh i'm gonna get a you know i'm gonna have a wife and be with the wife yeah you gotta be open to it brother yeah you gotta set the you gotta set your life up yeah and and how are you gonna get divorced if you don't get married you know what i'm saying absolutely and those are two crucial chapters of life

Speaker 1 is is is your is your home you know wifable

Speaker 1 not current oh is there like everywhere when you walk out

Speaker 1 You know, mom's organized. I got my tree up right now.
Nice. You got a tree.

Speaker 1 I got a box of gifts. There's a lady that I don't even know who has sent me a a box of Christmas ornaments for the past four years.
Sweet. It comes every year.
I put them up on the tree.

Speaker 1 It's got a little mic and a camera in there. There's the.

Speaker 1 Yeah. She's just.
Bro, that's such a good idea. Yeah.
And she's just watching you watch

Speaker 1 every Christmas. It's called it's a murder movie.
It's a murder. Yeah.
Or it's just some movie about, it's about somebody who used to love somebody and they're watching their family now.

Speaker 1 And they send them this random box and people put it on their tree. They don't know.
Yeah. And it has a camera in it.
And it has a camera in it. Yo.
Write it, baby. I'm not going to.
But we did it.

Speaker 1 That's it. What do you watch on Christmas?

Speaker 1 I watch.

Speaker 1 What would the cameras see you doing?

Speaker 1 Well, we're supposed to do Christmas caroling this year with a couple fellas from the gym, actually.

Speaker 1 And so we're supposed to practice on Friday. And we just hired a cool brother over there in Nashville to help us learn some of the lyrics.
You say brothers, dude. And then.

Speaker 1 I love how you say that, man. Oh, yeah.
We're excited about it. There's all brothers going, so you got to respect the culture, man.
You know what I'm saying? Oh, man.

Speaker 1 But yeah. And then what are we going to go?

Speaker 1 Oh, I watched Family Man. Have you ever seen that one? No, I've never seen Family Man.
With Nicholas. Nicholas Cage.
It's a great movie. One of the greats.
Have you ever met him? No, man.

Speaker 1 But Match Dick Men is one of my favorite movies ever. Yeah.
You know, you know. Nicholas Cage, man.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I'd like to get a wife, maybe. What about there's kind of a love triangle in the movie.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
There's a... So the women's Joan Baez.
Joan Baez and Sylvie Russo.

Speaker 1 Is Sylvie Russo, was she an artist? I couldn't tell. Yeah,

Speaker 1 her real name's Suze Rotolo in real life, but the real Bob Dylan was still very very protective over her. She was never really famous.
So that was one of his big script notes.

Speaker 1 He said, change that name. And,

Speaker 1 you know, just, I think he felt protective over her legacy in some way. So he had some notes about the script.
Yeah, exactly. The love triangle is

Speaker 1 sort of

Speaker 1 one of the big, you know, like we do these Q ⁇ As for the movie now and people say, was Bob, was his behavior towards the...

Speaker 1 The people that he was in a relationship with in his life, you know, it's definitely complicated. But my answer is always he was focused on his art first and foremost.

Speaker 1 Also, this movie is about people in their early 20s. You don't really have life figured out, especially in relationship.
Then, yeah, that stuff is a mess at that age.

Speaker 1 So, he was kind of between these two women in the movie. And Joan Baez is a musician and artist, ambitious the way Bob would have been.
And Sylvie's really the more grounded character.

Speaker 1 I think what El Fanning does in the movie is incredible. You kind of see the movie through her eyes because

Speaker 1 she's not one of these famous musicians. She's really just a real person and

Speaker 1 is deeply affected. Yeah, she was very affected by Dylan and her character was.
That was interesting to see. Yeah.
And the things that was.

Speaker 1 Well, she's the only person in the movie that doesn't have a transactional relationship with him. Right.
Really loves him for who he is. And

Speaker 1 that was our theory. You know, I never talked to Bob Dylan, but I feel like that's why I think he's still fond of that relationship and private about it.
Because

Speaker 1 if maybe the rest of his life could be confusing, I don't want to speak for him, but confusing about who's being genuine with me and who's not. She was always the clear day one.
Clear candidate. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's interesting. yeah yeah yeah i found like um

Speaker 1 when i was watching it yeah you're kind of rooting it's weird because who you're rooting for changes almost from scene to scene in the movie yeah you know yeah no one's like a great uh

Speaker 1 besides elf fanning everyone comes off a little real yeah yeah hopefully yeah flawed you know flawed but like in a human way flawed in a human way and a little especially in your early 20s man you're trying to figure out your life oh yeah dude they don't even yeah were you a saint in your early 20s dude no i was i mean I was a Saints fan.

Speaker 1 I'm a New Orleans Saints fan, but I was not.

Speaker 1 You're out that you're at the game.

Speaker 1 I mean, I had on maybe a, you know, I might have had on a Drew Brees jersey. Drew Brees jersey on your 16th Miller Light.
Dude, yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 But no, yeah, it's like, yeah, how do you even start to get things figured out?

Speaker 1 But that's one thing that I liked about it. I like seeing the different, and I like that there was like, okay, what's this relationship like over here going to happen?

Speaker 1 What's this relationship like over here going to happen?

Speaker 1 And then just seeing like, I did get a better idea of like, oh, okay, Bob Dylan was just kind of like affected dude that he kind of was maybe better than he thought he was or

Speaker 1 he was actually so great and they tried to manipulate him. It was just all so confusing, you know, like, and I think it was confusing to him.
And it was like, exactly.

Speaker 1 It was, it was all, it was just a lot going on. And he seemed like a unique person and probably like a secretly sensitive guy.

Speaker 1 And so for all those things to happen, you know, so quick to him and then for him to try to figure it out and navigate what was real. I don't know.
Man, exactly.

Speaker 1 And that's something I could relate to, not in the relationships necessarily in my life, but you know, you feel like your career gets going. I don't know how you feel about that.

Speaker 1 And you want to protect your energy and,

Speaker 1 but you still want to have close, you know, friendships and relationships. And but at first, it's very, it's a hard thing to navigate, particularly if you want to keep writing.

Speaker 1 You keep wanting like Bob Dylan, you know, and like you said, he was genuinely great at it. He had a gift from God at that point in his career.
He said it it in an Ed Bradley interview in 2004.

Speaker 1 He's like, I feel like God was writing through me. And he says in the interview, I can't do it anymore.
He almost says it like, like Melanie. He misses it.
Like he misses it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's a beautiful moment in this Ed Bradley interview. He just,

Speaker 1 he says, like, I can't do it anymore. I don't know how those words were coming to me.
And wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I feel like musicians, even more than actors, I feel like an actor like into your 30s and 40s and 50s, as your face ages, you can keep doing great work. Right.

Speaker 1 And the gravitas of your life lives on your face. You know what I mean? Right.
And so the more you learn in life, the more abilities you're going to have.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and the more trauma you go through or whatever. And I feel like as a musician, you could

Speaker 1 still do great shit, but it's really like a young man's game.

Speaker 1 Yeah, because you have to do all that touring and stuff as well. Yeah, it beats you up.
For you, the movie kind of tours for you. Exactly.
You know, I love, you know, it's funny. We do these Q ⁇ As.

Speaker 1 So I get the backstage experience. I'm like, holy shit, I'm coming out, man.
Like, fuck, they're going to say my name. I let.
I'm all excited. And I come out.

Speaker 1 And then as opposed to a rock star, I fucking sit in a chair. Oh, yeah.
And I answer my question. Watch this.
And I sit down and I try to give poised answers.

Speaker 1 Just make sure your posture is okay, gold.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's humiliating. Wash you're rocking in the house tonight.
That shit is so hard to deal with. So I'll be backstage, and it's you hear the crowd like Timothy, Shaman.
Yeah. And then I fucking

Speaker 1 take my seat. Yeah, yeah.
And then I'm poised. And you're like, oh, let's go.
And I sit down. And I sit down, dude.
It's humiliating. It's like, it's very anti.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the word is, but somebody else probably knows it. But yeah, I don't know it.
But

Speaker 1 yeah, dude. You know what, though? I think it was, I do think that it was interesting if you frame it up, like, this is what it is.
It's a, it's a, it's a,

Speaker 1 it's a few years in a man's life that was a very interesting man who's probably written so many songs that some young people don't even know that he wrote. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 I was listening and I was like, no way he wrote that. And like just some relationships that he had with other artists that you may not even know about.

Speaker 1 And sort of the first guy for me in American pop culture that said, I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want. And that's his point.
Yeah, and that was like sort of blasphemous.

Speaker 1 Like every artist through the last 30, 40, 50 years that uh a lot of whom you can't shout out because they they've basically they've basically burned so many bridges but um bob dylan was the first he just wouldn't take no for an answer he just was fired up about his art and i hope that sounds an exception no i don't think it sounds like anything yeah i hope it doesn't sound corny because he really didn't give a fuck and it's uh that to me was really refreshing to work on you know now we live in a time where it's not only not only is it hard to be rebellious about your art but it's as much about the coliseum's reaction you know you think about a clip you like online or or uh something you like or don't like the first thing you do is you go to the comments it's as much about how people are reacting, you know what I'm saying, as it is about the actual thing.

Speaker 1 So in some ways, it's harder, man. It's kind of harder now.
Because not only do you have to manage what you present, but you have to manage also how what, I don't know.

Speaker 1 No, no, but yeah, I was just trying to say. And also to avoid that, that's kind of what I'm doing these days, man.
You just got to like, you have to bury your head so far.

Speaker 1 Even like the pictures from the premiere, I'm just like.

Speaker 1 You know, I just try to put the shutters on because it's not healthy, man. You know, oh, looking at all your stuff and looking at the

Speaker 1 No, it's fucking weird. And then, you know, you're not supposed to do it.
No, we're supposed to be, you know, like gathering nuts and berries. No, that's not like I'm wearing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but no, they had that first guy, Narcissus or whatever, looked in the river and saw himself. Yeah, exactly.
And then he's like, hey, where are the ladies at, or whatever?

Speaker 1 And you're like, whoa, dude, what are you doing? What are you talking about, dude? You're not even that good looking. Yeah, kill a rabbit, dude.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Our tribe needs to eat. Make a salad, bro.
Yeah, we got, yeah. Yeah, we got people to feed.
We have 17 people, and our elder is fucking suffering.

Speaker 1 Like you're over here, like like trying to start Clairol or whatever. Yeah, exactly.
Fucking working on your, you know, yeah, it's like just a bunch of Dior moisturizer.

Speaker 1 Talking about lip filler to everybody. Like, what are you even talking about?

Speaker 1 Dude, it's 300 BC. What does that even mean? Stop working on your Raya profile and fucking help us with the fire we need to put out in the forest, you narcissistic prick.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 What are you talking about? I have no fucking clue. No clue.

Speaker 1 What about other?

Speaker 1 because you can only do so many biopic, too? Yeah. Yeah.
That's kind of weird. So you kind of, you burned a biopic.
I burned a biopic. Is it biopic? We don't know.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 I burned a biopic and I got to go back in three months and they got to check if it's still there. And

Speaker 1 no, you're right. I can only do so many, especially like music ones.
I'll be honest.

Speaker 1 What are some other ones you think? I have a couple. Listen, man.
Oh, ideas? No, you go first. Okay.
Like that I could do or you could do. I don't know.

Speaker 1 If I keep talking to people, why do you sit with him and just talk the whole time? So

Speaker 1 we got to get you to say that.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, well, I'm trying to think of ones you could do.

Speaker 1 You could do

Speaker 1 I know what I could do. Maybe.

Speaker 1 You could do a Brad Pitt biopic. You know what I'm saying? Fellow there right there.
Come on, put a little sprinkle on it. Put a little sprinkle on it.
No.

Speaker 1 Maybe if, like, maybe if Brad Pick, like, was stranded somewhere, like, you know, maybe like a hitchhike or something. No, but you could.

Speaker 1 You could do... Would you ever do Mabu, you think? Lamabu? Oh, my God, dude.
That is fucking funny. That's an alternate time.
I'm him in an alternate timeline. Oh, yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Because, you know, I used to, I used to. Well, you know, there's two ways you could have gone.
That's what we like to say a lot of times. Yeah.
That's me in an alternate timeline. I love him, bro.

Speaker 1 I don't know enough about him. I know he's from New York, though.
You're right. You know what? It's a great point.
I don't fucking know if I like him.

Speaker 1 He could be a dirt ball, but I like some of his energy, dude. Some of his shit is pretty.
It's very Bob Dylan, man. Just be who you want to be.
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 That's how I do feel about him. It's like, oh,

Speaker 1 I feel like he's kind of unique. He kind of reminds me of like an Eminem, like when Eminem kind of like.

Speaker 1 He reminds me of how Eminem was just unique in his time period. He just did it.
Maybe I'll do a little Mabu biopic. I don't know what it's about.
I wonder what the tragedy of his life is.

Speaker 1 That's a good point. It could be some crypto failure.
Yeah, he launched Mabu coin. Oh, he's going to be so fast, dude.
Man, bro, sorry. No, dude.
No, I don't know. I don't know him.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's clearly killing it. Yeah.
If he wasn't killing it, we wouldn't be talking about him. It's a good point.
Oh, I think he's just, he's definitely super entertaining. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And we're just joking around. And he started that

Speaker 1 conference, con

Speaker 1 conservation fund. Did he, really? For the, for that thing I was talking about.
Yeah. Sorry.
Bro, you're acting good, bro.

Speaker 1 Dude, you should be a politician. You're good.
Ah, I was acting.

Speaker 1 But what, or that, or maybe Abraham Lincoln's son or whatever? I could be Abraham Lincoln. Me or you? You.
What about if Abraham Lincoln's son? Who was Abraham Lincoln's son? Dave Lincoln.

Speaker 1 That was a ridiculous idea. It was Dave Lincoln.
Was it? Dave Lincoln. Was it really?

Speaker 1 Or Ricky Lincoln? Who is his son?

Speaker 1 Tad Lincoln. Oh, my God.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Go to his information. Let's see him.
Wow. That's, dude, you could be Tad Lincoln.

Speaker 1 The fourth son of Abraham Lincoln. What was his

Speaker 1 born with a cleft lipping palette? I'll work with Tim Monic. We were talking about earlier.
I'll work with Tim Monic on it, you know, and hopefully there's no stress.

Speaker 1 Imagine his father gave some of the greatest speeches, and here he is, and he has this kind of like a little bit of a

Speaker 1 like a disfigurement or some impairment. And he's like, how do I overcome this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just say something as important that my father said. Did he ever? Did he ever?

Speaker 1 We could change it. We could just give him a speech.
They were considered notorious. He was telling me, him and his brother Willie.
He was sick a lot. He got typhoid.

Speaker 1 A lot of people were getting sick back then. Yeah, oh, easily.
You caught a frisbee that was dirty and you were down for two months.

Speaker 1 He went to see Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp. Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 On April 14th, 1865, Tad went to Grover's Theater to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp while his parents attended the performance of Tom Taylor's play, Our American Cousin at Ford Theater.

Speaker 1 That night, his father was assassinated. Wow, so he was at the...

Speaker 1 That could be my big scene. Yeah, his father's dead actually.
And you finally run up to him as he's

Speaker 1 and you say something super important. Who's playing Abraham Lincoln? Huh? Who's playing Lincoln? I don't know.
We got to get somebody good. Pa's dead.
I can hardly believe that I shall never see him.

Speaker 1 This is some heavy shit. After the assassination, Mary Robert and Tad lived together in Chicago.
We died at 18, dude. I can't, come on.
Oh,

Speaker 1 holy shit. Tuberculosis.
This was a polaristic attack. This was a waste of time.
Pneumonia.

Speaker 1 And congestive heart failure. You could do it, man.
Yeah. I think you could do it.
Yeah, though. Age me down a little bit.
Or Jim Carrey. I think I could see you playing a Jim Carrey one day, too.

Speaker 1 I was thinking about that. He's brilliant, dude.
I mean, he's so brilliant. Yeah, he uh, have you seen his um, have you seen his uh, he went to some fashion event like 2018, 2019?

Speaker 1 You see this red carpet interview? It's the biggest not give a fuck interview of all time. Yeah, if we have enough time, we should add 20 minutes to this anyway.

Speaker 1 If we can't, this is this is the greatest. He looks so dropped into being himself.
Yeah, yes,

Speaker 3 I've covered a lot of fashion weeks. This is the first time I've run in to Jim Carrey.

Speaker 1 Wait, controlling the red. Is it true you're hovering the streets?

Speaker 3 You need a date to the party?

Speaker 4 What's up?

Speaker 1 No, No, no, no.

Speaker 4 I'm doing just fine. I just, you know, there's no meaning to any of this.
So I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 here I am.

Speaker 4 They're celebrating.

Speaker 1 And you got to admit it's completely meaningless.

Speaker 3 Well, they say they're celebrating icons inside. Celebrating icons.

Speaker 4 Boy, that is just the absolute lowest aiming, you know, possibility that we could come up with. It's like icons.

Speaker 4 Do you you believe in icons? I don't believe in personalities. I don't believe that you exist, but there is a wonderful fragrance in the air.

Speaker 3 You don't believe certain icons?

Speaker 1 Even when she doesn't exist, he's still trying to flirt. That's a good thing.

Speaker 1 You can inspire others.

Speaker 3 Artistry, you're one of them.

Speaker 1 On the good foot.

Speaker 1 He's like, you're invisible, but let's smash.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no,

Speaker 1 I don't believe in icons. That's good, man.
I don't believe in personalities.

Speaker 1 That would be an interesting guy to play because that's really cool. That's a cool scene to play if you could do that.
Yeah. That's what he had a crazy life.
Yeah, what his life was like. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was the biggest, biggest. Bigger than anything.
Bigger than anything, right? In the 2000s? Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And they had a show called In Living Color before that that was like Jamie Foxx was on it.
Yeah, he was like the only white guy on it. Yeah, right.
It was him. Yeah, and they had a.

Speaker 1 You know, he's become an artist. Yeah, now he's an artist.
But it's just interesting to get all the art out of your system, you know, because some artists.

Speaker 1 I think that's kind of what he, I think that's what he feels like. I saw an interview with him today, Sound Like the Hedgehog.
They said, why'd you do do this? He said, for the money. Hmm.

Speaker 1 But what a life. Because when Bruce Almighty was coming on, I mean, really, he was like the biggest.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Wow.
What about, do you feel like you have to be like, because you're kind of like the

Speaker 1 it guy, like the it younger guy in Hollywood. For sure, for sure.
You know?

Speaker 1 But does that feel like.

Speaker 1 I don't know. And it's like, do you, how do you, and a lot of that is a lot of times curtailed by like the industry.

Speaker 1 Like you're, yeah, like, you have a pretty, like, I thought you'd come with like in a tank or something. Like, you drove everybody yourself.
Yeah, yeah. So definitely

Speaker 1 kind of, I guess, maybe against what I was thinking, which doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 1 But do you worry about how do you still be yourself and find yourself at a time when you could be so maneuvered by so many bigger- Listen, man, not to bring it back to the movie, but that's where Bob Dylan's so influential.

Speaker 1 No, this is perfect. No, because Bob always followed his path.

Speaker 1 And what's interesting about the movie industry, instead of like as opposed to the music industry, the music industry, you write your own music, you know, and it's direct to the consumer in some sense.

Speaker 1 Like, you do whatever the fuck you want. And if people are vibing with it, you'll know.
And whatever. In the movie industry, you do kind of have to,

Speaker 1 you got to be reliable. You know, a musician, you show up whenever you want.
They could be a rock star, you show up four hours late. If you're three hours late to a movie, they got to call insurance.

Speaker 1 You cost a million dollars now. You'll never work again.
So there's a part of the job that's obedient in a sense. But the best art and the best shit we see is stuff that, you know, is...

Speaker 1 People showed up for. People showed up, but also where they broke rules in a sense.
You know, I was just talking to. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And

Speaker 1 so it's a fine line. And

Speaker 1 I look at it like this. This is my inner Tom Cruise where I want movies to be seen.
And

Speaker 1 I don't want to live an unobedient life, but I also want

Speaker 1 at a time where maybe Hollywood or movie makers got a perception of like

Speaker 1 sometimes being out of touch or something or definitely like awards type movies. I want especially a movie about Bob Dylan.

Speaker 1 I want in all the movies I work on, that's why I did Dune. That's why I did Wonka.

Speaker 1 And I'm proud that those movies, I know I'm not supposed to pat myself on the back, but those movies were big, you know, like in the movie industry or the movie business, brick and mortar theaters,

Speaker 1 they don't do the business they once did. Some of that's inevitable because of streaming, but I want to put my best foot forward.
You got to, you got to give back to the industry that gave to you.

Speaker 1 That's really my M.O. And

Speaker 1 that's why I'm here. That, you know, you know,

Speaker 1 otherwise, that's why you can't be the reclusive figure that Bob Dylan or Daniel Day-Lewis or these guys were.

Speaker 1 Because the, but the, the, it's not about the bottom line, but the, the attention isn't guaranteed the way it used to be.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? I hope this doesn't sound like too inside baseball.

Speaker 1 I want inside baseball. I'll just, you know, you're like a real thinker, you know, so it's not like you're going to give some answer that isn't.

Speaker 1 traveling through your thoughts and you explaining stuff. Yeah.
So that's perfect. There's no wrong way to answer it.
It's a weird thing. It's like, yeah.
And then.

Speaker 1 then also I had a full-ass real life before my career took off like in the East Village in New York. So

Speaker 1 not that my life isn't real now, but like obviously on these press tours and stuff, the days are micromanaged in some way. But man,

Speaker 1 here's the thing. That's another thing I say.
Like as a musician or as a pop star or whatever, your music can be about your erosion of humanity. Like it could be about.

Speaker 1 hey, I'm driving this car and this is the crazy lifestyle I live.

Speaker 1 But if you're an actor, if you lose your sense of humanity, if you lose your stink, for lack of a better word, people will see that on screen. You do see it on screen.
Oh, you seem too fancy.

Speaker 1 You seem out of touch. But people are going to know.
That's why the Safdie movie I just did, man,

Speaker 1 he put me through the ringer. Really? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I felt like he was testing me early on. What does that mean? So when somebody's like, so a director can kind of put you through some fucking streets? He was, yeah, look, Josh knew me since I was.
21.

Speaker 1 Josh Safty? Safty. Okay.
I was 12. Uncut Gems.
That's that movie, right? Yeah. Uncut Jems.
It's one of the best movies. There you go, man.
And Good Time. You know, Good Time with Robert Pattinson.

Speaker 1 He directed, too.

Speaker 1 i haven't seen that i'm seeing robert pattenson for after for later yeah yeah for sure for sure um but um you know like early on we had stuff that could have been stunt guys on this movie on on marty supreme and i saw him wanting me to do it part of me is like this feels like a test you know and i wanted to show him and then i now i feel like i've emerged from the other side with no broken bones or whatever thank god but

Speaker 1 And Josh, I know I'm supposed to be talking about the Bob Dylan movie, but Josh is like, okay, it's all you acting. Yeah, Josh is the real deal, man.

Speaker 1 Like, and seriously, like, Josh Saffi, he's like the modern-day Scorsese. I want to meet that guy.
Oh, dude, you would love him. That's him? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I would like to meet him.
Dude, he could play Abraham Lincoln. He could play Abraham Lincoln.
Can you play Tad Lincoln? I could play Tad Lincoln. Tell him right now.

Speaker 1 His brother's an actor, Benny. You ever see

Speaker 1 the Nathan Fielder show with Emma Stone on Showtime? No. Yeah.
Yeah. That's his brother.
I've seen Nathan Fielder's show. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Wow, that's cool. Yeah, yeah.
Wow, that must have been awesome, man. Because that guy, that uncut gems is so good.
I look forward to seeing that. Yeah, this is a a crazy, crazy fucking movie.

Speaker 1 So directors can do that. So sometimes it's like that.
It's going to be a journey. It's going to be a journey.
Yeah. And what was the biggest journey through the

Speaker 1 unknown? I just want to get the name of it right now. A complete unknown Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Leave it like that.
What was the biggest journey through a complete unknown on Christmas Day? Yeah, it's kind of, you know, the biggest Christmas.

Speaker 1 Just Christmas. It's only on Christmas, you can see it.
It comes out on Christmas Day. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Biggest journey was the music and the voice. And also, I've never had my phone off the entire movie.
I had three months. I had my phone off the whole movie.
Yeah, I had three months to play this guy.

Speaker 1 And then the rest of my life, I never get to play him again. So I just want, I was, I was locked in.
Also,

Speaker 1 you're never supposed to say you're competitive, but I want, you know, there's been a lot of music biopics. Yeah.
And I wanted to do a great fucking job, man. I love Bob Dylan.
I love this artist.

Speaker 1 None of this is for granted. This little misconception about actors too in acting.
You can have a cushy job on a TV show.

Speaker 1 If you don't give a fuck about your work, it could be a great lifestyle, right? You're making like high six figures, maybe low seven figures, and you're just showing up when you want.

Speaker 1 If you give a fuck about what you're doing,

Speaker 1 these are long ass days. You know what I mean? These are 14-hour days, six days a week sometimes, you know, three months.
Look, I know people got it way harder, but I want to feel that grit.

Speaker 1 You know, I want to feel it. You know, I hope people don't laugh at it.
I fucking really, I feel like I'm the hardest working man.

Speaker 1 Anyway, maybe I shouldn't say that, but.

Speaker 1 But you respect what you do. Yeah, because you got to.
What else is the point? I talk about this with friends a lot. Like, this is too weird a lifestyle to be

Speaker 1 nonchalant about. Yeah, why do this? Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you're not going to go as hard as possible, yeah,

Speaker 1 on Marty Supreme, I'm wearing contacts because he wanted my eyes to be little.

Speaker 1 So, he gives me real glasses that fuck my eyes up, and I'm wearing contacts underneath to offset what the glasses are doing. And my vision was, my vision was basically fucked up until a day ago.

Speaker 1 Every time I took these glasses off, my vision was skewed. Wow.
You know?

Speaker 1 You're like the Forrest Gump of side or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right. Sort of.
Dude, Forrest Gump is, we had the Forrest Gump ping pong coaches. Same.
Lovely couple in LA, Diego and Wei.

Speaker 1 Been married 40 years. Wei is a Chinese ping pong champion.
Uh-uh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, from the 80s.
She's pretty cool. She was, she's like, we would train.

Speaker 1 Yeah, Wei, Wei Lee, there she is. There she is.
Marty Supreme. That's my ping pong coach.
You know, we trained for three hours and then she said, let's play for real.

Speaker 1 And she's like, she's probably like 97 pounds. She's like five foot one and she's just like

Speaker 1 yeah unbelievable you're not getting a point across yeah yeah

Speaker 1 that's beautiful a little bit of that do you um

Speaker 1 yeah did you have to so your phone was off for that long so you just locked in and what would you do to just go to do you sleep on set or what do you do what's that like i sleep on set and you know method acting that gets like a bad rap people think it's just like a person being a prick and obliging everyone around them to subscribe to a reality that's not real.

Speaker 1 The thing I came up with, I call it, but dude. That's just everybody's stepdad as well.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 1 That's just

Speaker 1 I need a bear. Yeah, exactly.
And you, yeah, and yeah. Damn it.

Speaker 1 Give me that goddamn Miller Light.

Speaker 1 But dude, I call it method energy because,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 you could shit on me too if I'm coming off like a dick. But, you know,

Speaker 1 I just tried to, no cell phones, nothing that reminds you of the present.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 try to treat it like Bob Dylan as much as possible, especially if you're playing somebody that iconic. That was tough, too.
He didn't feel like an icon when he he was himself.

Speaker 1 He was just living his fucking life. So if you talk to too many people, that

Speaker 1 you got to avoid earworms. Oh, you know, somebody putting something in your head that's that's hit in there.
Yeah. That's why Edward Norton, I love him.

Speaker 1 He's great, Pete Seeger in the movie, but he's like, Edward Norton is a little bit his character in the movie Birdman. If you ever saw that, he's like a very confident, opinionated actor.

Speaker 1 So I would kind of have to, you know.

Speaker 1 And then he caught me watching Rounders one day. Oh, yeah.
And then

Speaker 1 it was over. Then he knew he had me.
That's like, yeah, if you're watching another movie, some movie that somebody has to do with it.

Speaker 1 He caught me in the are like oh you like rounders and i was like all right now now we're gonna talk oh hold me for a second huh yeah that's a lot yeah i'm still jumping on you at the end of this

Speaker 1 come on get ready as long as it's on the front brother yeah get ready get ready calm down man get ready get ready

Speaker 1 i'll do hollywood for you

Speaker 1 i'm getting you at your comfort zone I've been out of my comfort zone since I was born.

Speaker 1 All right, fair, fair, fair. Yeah, I never subscribed to it.

Speaker 1 I never got the keys, whatever. You know the code they give you in high school to your locker? Yeah, you never got that.

Speaker 1 I remember going up to my comfort zone and being like, oh, I don't think this is. What's the most comfortable you've ever felt in your life? Oh, that's a great question.
The most comfortable.

Speaker 1 Like most in your body, no drugs, no alcohol.

Speaker 1 Probably after like a sauna and ice bath type type. Oh, you do ice baths? Yeah, yeah.
I'll get in there, dude.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I'll freaking just, I'll lay in a polar bear's ass, brother.
I like it. I like it like that.
Oh, yeah. I like it just brisk, like that, you know? I love that.
Would you go to the Arctic?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I would go up there. Mr.
Beast just went up there. He went to Antarctica.

Speaker 1 Whoa. I don't know what he, but he said it was nothing up there.
There's not even like you can't be like, hey, let's go somewhere. And like, no, you can't.
I don't get how that stuff works, man.

Speaker 1 Where does he get, where does he get the money? He's just, he's just huge, huh? I guess he just has a lot of just expendable income to be that guy, you know.

Speaker 1 That's the other thing, like, where I want to be humble about putting movies out there. People's attention are elsewhere, is elsewhere now.
It's completely, yeah. And you got to convince someone

Speaker 1 to see a complete unknown on Christmas Day and take the $15 or $20, wherever the fuck it is now. And instead of watching, you know, Mr.
Beast in the Arctic. Well, Mr.

Speaker 1 Beast has a show actually that comes out right before that, if like a week before, but

Speaker 1 he was just, we're just on the other day. And it's interesting, yeah.
Yeah. And it's an interesting show, totally different, though.

Speaker 1 But one thing that's great about your movie is that, first of all, you just get, you also just, in addition to whatever's going on with the movie, you get to hear like great music. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It's great music. Great, great music.
It's great music. You get to remember like Woody Guthrie.
Who played Woody Guthrie in it? Scoot McNary. He's amazing.
Yeah. He's amazing.

Speaker 1 You get a picture of him. Yeah, Scoot McNary to look at him before something happens to him.
Yeah. And he doesn't have a line in the movie.

Speaker 1 He doesn't have a line

Speaker 1 because he's so sick. Because he's so sick.

Speaker 1 That was pretty awesome. Yeah, we had Bernie Sanders on, and he was saying that he said Pete Seeger was one of his favorite movies.
Scoot McNary could play Bernie Sanders in a biopic. Oh, he could.

Speaker 1 Right? Yeah. Totally could.
Dude, you could play Ronald Reagan's son, Ricky Reagan, or whatever. Is that a real guy? Is that a real guy? Probably, dude.

Speaker 1 Bernie hasn't aged. Nah, Bernie still looks the same.
same he's the best he's looked the same in the last

Speaker 1 yeah

Speaker 1 he's like a real folk hero it's a great point yeah bernie is is he is a folk hero yeah he's folk music yeah and you also forget about like what yeah i mean that's another thing about the movie you see the challenge of bob dylan like take on like music and culture there's this whole other cultural thing that's kind of happening in the background like on the television and the news during the movie it was a crazy time it was like the it was the it was a cool piece of life it was a cool piece of life the 60s were a cool time when you get out of it all and it's done i was beat on this one Were you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was. What does that really look like? A break? Do you go to like a beach?

Speaker 1 No, another thing, another misconception about movies, like as opposed to the academic year, it kind of winds down. You're never winding down on a movie.

Speaker 1 You're doing 14-hour days and you go off a cliff, then it's done.

Speaker 1 In other words, you don't relax

Speaker 1 towards the end.

Speaker 1 We were doing a very important scene and it was done forever.

Speaker 1 And yeah, I guess I relaxed a little bit. I went on vacation, but I was beat.
I was working on this for five years. This was like,

Speaker 1 this was like, this was as important to me as you going to the parking lot and spying

Speaker 1 on the swim team of Lipscomb College. Nothing to see here.
Exactly.

Speaker 1 I'm just recruiting, guys.

Speaker 1 Just recruiting production assistants.

Speaker 1 Do you think you would have done it more justice five years earlier? No, absolutely not.

Speaker 1 Also, because I had the experience in my life where I would do interviews and, you know, it's a scary time to come up. with the internet and stuff.
You know, you want to get it right.

Speaker 1 And Bob Dylan, his early press conferences, he was confrontational he was basically a dick and i thought there was something really inspiring about that not not that i ever wanted to be like that but i just thought it was so different than how people are now yeah where you where you uh right you're just automatically cordial you just assume like well you got to be man a a i am i'm not a big cordial guy yeah but b um

Speaker 1 god forbid you know you don't want to be anyway so but he's these early press conferences you know if if uh if you're tremendously bored and not watching mr b stuff watch the the the early bob dylan san francisco press conferences you know and I just thought, so anyway, five years working on it, I got a better sense on the other side of it.

Speaker 1 Oh, this is why he would have carried himself like that. You know, he had some wherewithal I didn't have in his early 20s where somebody said, how do you do it?

Speaker 1 He goes, basically, I didn't want to tell anyone. You know, me, maybe because

Speaker 1 whatever, the acting bone, somebody said, how do you do it? And you're so desperate for that pat on your back. And you go, this is how I did it.
You know, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I just wonder, yeah, because, and you get more experience that you can put into something. Like you were saying earlier about acting, like you can keep doing it for a long time, you know? Exactly.
Um,

Speaker 1 yo, can we hear any Bob? Is that a weird thing to ask you, dude? Is that lame? Like, like live right now?

Speaker 5 I'll try it. Go for it.
All right.

Speaker 1 Hold on. Let me try one time.

Speaker 1 Hey, who is there? Hold on. I got to give up.
Get into it, man. Get into it.
Hey, who's at the door? That's not it, dude. That's a horrible one.
That was pretty good. You got the nasality down.

Speaker 1 You got the nasality. You got to pick up a words.
You're verbifying things. That's what Rob Dylan did.
Exactly. He just made shit up.
That was good, man. He verbified things, didn't he?

Speaker 1 I don't think, I'm trying to think who your music biopic would be still. It might have to be.
What about Chet Baker? I would do Chet Baker. Chet Baker or Chet Hanks, even.

Speaker 1 You should do that Chet Hanks biopic, dude. That would be unbelievable.

Speaker 1 That's a glitch in the system. Yeah, it's all

Speaker 1 everything is. Yeah, everything is a glitch, dude.
John Bon Jovi, it could be anybody. Chet has a new new country album that's going to come out this year, too, I think.
Dude, you got to play Chet.

Speaker 1 Also, it'd be a great excuse to get shredded.

Speaker 1 I would just do it for the head. Just do it for that.
They'll send you up with the best trainers. You got the HGH.

Speaker 1 I could do it, man.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we want to ask or anything else that you wanted to say, Timothy? Ah, man. No, just thanks for having me on.
I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 I think we kind of covered a lot of this. I think we covered it all, man.
Yeah. I got to water my plants, dude.
I just got home. Oh, did you have a place in LA? Yeah, I still have an apartment in L.A.

Speaker 1 Oh, you do? Is it here? Over in Westwood. and westwood all right night i love westwood and so yeah i get

Speaker 1 city reese and i forget yeah i go over there sometimes i go walk over there and sometimes i would go for that and i would just end up getting a bunch of vapes and just sitting over in my car but um

Speaker 1 i uh yeah i would get i just sometimes i forget to wash my plant

Speaker 1 i forget to water my plants you know and then i get home and it's been like a month or something your place is ready to be wifified man I know. And I'll always water them.
I'll be like,

Speaker 1 your mother left us. I'll yell shit like that.
I'll be like, your mother left. To who? To the plants.
I'll just make, I'll like blame it on their imaginary mother or whatever.

Speaker 1 I'll be like, we would have been fine.

Speaker 1 But she left. And I'll just pour water on them.
The punishment is the water. No, the water is there.
I've given them the water, but it would have, it'd have been watered every day if their mother.

Speaker 1 Oh, if their mother hadn't left.

Speaker 1 So you're bringing out the resentment on the plants. She left us.

Speaker 1 Anyway, this is. Who's the mother, Poison Ivy? It's just, it's just a fictional woman.
It's a fictional woman. Yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like the next time we talk, if you have me back on, I feel like you're going to be a year and a half into a beautiful marriage and a recent father.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 you will have

Speaker 1 a Subaru.

Speaker 1 Ooh.

Speaker 1 But I'll take, you know what? If the family comes with that and that's what it takes, I'll do it.

Speaker 1 You know, I'll do that. And

Speaker 1 I appreciate it, Timothy Salamay. Thanks for all the neat acting, man.
Thanks for that. Thanks for the movie about the drug, about

Speaker 1 the young man struggling with drugs. Thanks for the movie about Bob Dylan.

Speaker 1 and just thanks for sharing what it takes, the commitment that it does take. Because I do feel that from you.
I appreciate that.

Speaker 1 I do feel that the commitment that it really takes if you really want to take this opportunity and make the most of it in your life.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Like you're doing.
I see you doing.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 you just got to go hard. Amen, brother.

Speaker 1 Christmas Day, the movie comes out. You can go watch it in the theaters with your family over the holidays.
Perfect. Perfect.
It'll be in theaters, yeah? It'll be in theaters on Christmas Day.

Speaker 1 A complete unknown. Super proud of this, man.

Speaker 1 You should should be, man. Congratulations, bro.
Thanks, let me talk about it, bro. Yep.

Speaker 1 That was fun, man. Yeah, thank you, man.

Speaker 1 Holy shit, that wasn't as grand as I was. Sorry.
Yeah,

Speaker 1 that's funny.

Speaker 1 I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be

Speaker 1 cornerstone.

Speaker 1 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this piece of my life out. I can feel it in my bones

Speaker 1 But it's gonna take

Speaker 1 a little

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