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Today's guest is one of the biggest

young acting person people in the world,

acting humans.

You've seen him in Dune, Willy Wonka,

A Beautiful Boy.

And now his new movie, A Complete Unknown,

where he plays Bob Dylan in theaters Christmas Day.

You can check it out. I had a great time getting to know him.
He's an enthralling dang human. Today's guest is Timothy Chalamet.
I will find a song I've been singing I'm up We were just in Nashville Let's start there Are we good, Zach? Yeah Cool beans Yeah, yeah Yeah, I saw you were just in Nashville Yeah Had you been there before? Yeah, once Kind of exploring I was doing a movie called Bones and All I was trying to do research Oh, yeah It's my producer's favorite No way Yeah, it yet yep that guy zach is his name no one loves it yeah he really loves no way so i had wandered there um and uh this time got a better sense of it but it's a great city huh it's a good place it's like a little city it's like a little city kind of like a fancy little city it's almost like the john bonnet of cities kind of like day you know look at this outfit kind of you know um but dangerous at the same time but it has like kind of like an element of like mystery kind of that's a kind of a weird example no but you're not are you from there no i'm from louisiana but okay but nashville here's what it is it's safe it's nice people are friendly um you can't cheat on your wife there so it's not because the city's too small too small okay you couldn't take your wife or spouse or significant other um you couldn't even yeah like and you couldn't take them to dinner or something and not see somebody that would know yeah one of you or them so it's there's like 14 people yeah it's it well there's just there's enough people but there's a it's a the south's a little gossipy uh-huh okay so there's a lot, it's not really an adultery city. It's not a city that's, adultery is not like a trademark of the city probably.
How is it different from New Orleans? New Orleans is a little bit more dangerous, I think, you know, and probably better food to be honest. Okay.
I think you have to have crime to have good food. That's kind of how I feel.
I've never heard that MO really yeah that's interesting oh you ever had um you ever had that uh that yakum in new orleans that yakum is it it's not a drug is it okay because i've had that i haven't had i haven't had the edible version no oh this thing yeah yeah exactly oh this vietnamese food i don't think. I was watching top five, like top five New Orleans street foods.

Yeah, yuck them, homie.

Yeah, yeah.

Wow.

That's a deep cut right there.

It is a very deep cut.

I thought it came in a small baggie.

Yeah, I haven't had this, bro.

I have not had this.

But, you know, New Orleans has one of the largest Vietnamese populations.

Really?

In the country?

I did not know that.

I've never been to NOLA.

I think so. You haven't? Never.
Oh, man. And a lot of stuff shoots there for some reason i just haven't haven't been there before um yeah it's mythical you know nashville reminded me of austin a little bit you know sixth street yeah yeah promenade a little bit yeah yeah for sure sort of yeah but yeah yeah that broadway that area that area is really interesting down there what else about nashville that i really like um you go to the soccer games ever nashville se I haven't been to that i go to watch lipscomb college they play soccer there what at lipscomb college no way it's a college and uh they have soccer and so i'll go watch some of their games their student body population it's a good question pull it up lipscomb college let's see it's one of those colleges that right next to it has the high school also and then the children's school or whatever so it's like you can go there from k to senior year of college yeah you could go from from like k to 40 4 800 students okay but their their soccer team was ranked um has been ranked in the top 25 the past few years so you love like you're a diehard you know season ticket holder you're there all the time no sometimes i'll text my neighbor who's the coach you're like hey you might have a pop by and you're cool and they're cool and he'll be on the field he'll be like yeah sure pull up you know do you get like the mcconaughey ut pass you can go wherever you want um it's there's not a lot of bleachers so it's pretty you're basically on the field all the time yeah i was amazed i was at that that ut georgia game mcconaughey gets oh you went to that he gets full license yeah he could do whatever he wants.
I already had a field pass. I thought I was pretty

high level

in some way. He's like with the coach.

He's calling plays.

He's taping a guy up.

He's like, you're going to be alright.

He's living the experience.

I got a buddy who's on the Nashville soccer team. His name's Alex Mule.

Oh really? Let's pull him up.

Let's give him some shine. I need to go watch him.

You think if I hit him up he would invite him to a game? and the the games are often sold out you know i grew up with this guy um alex mule yeah but he was always um m-u-y-l that's the bane of his life man oh yeah people that can't spell mule yeah this is amazing man i wish this is like this is what ai is going to be in 20 years just say it and it pops up oh as we're talking we're talking, the computer follows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
I never thought about that. Have you tried, do you use the...
VR? The Vision? Oculus, that kind of thing? No, no, no. Well, Oculus too, I guess, but the AirPod.
What do you mean, like Blue Blockers or something? The Vision Pro. Vision Pro? What is it? The Apple helmet.
But tell me about Mule. I just want to...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. My bad.
So you played ball with him growing up? I played ball with him growing up and he was just gifted you know it's tough you know you could play like it's like that last dance chicago bulls documentary some of those guys will be partying all night and then they'll then they'll drop like dennis robin will drop 40 you know it's like i could work my ass off and if you don't have the gift of physical talent of athleticism you're cooked yeah you're done dude yeah some people got that damn you got a damn foot mozart out there i don't have that yeah yeah alex mule is a foot mozart really yes oh that's fire yeah i gotta go check him out man i haven't been to see a game it's unfortunate i did get to go see um vanderbilt which is the college that's that's the sec college that's actually in nashville that's what i visited yeah i was at vanderb, yeah, I saw a video of you out there. You know, I never had that

American college experience. You know, I went to Columbia

for a second, then I went to NYU, so I'm jealous

of that. But Vanderbilt,

respect to Vanderbilt, it didn't feel like UT

or, it didn't feel like it had a huge campus

or a huge... No, it's a smaller, it's a smaller

energy. Yeah.
But we went to one game this year,

they played Alabama, and they beat, they upset

Alabama. So that was huge.
It was

crazy. Because usually their football program's not that good, right? It's not.
Yeah. yeah yeah so yeah we're not a total secret no no you know you gotta keep keeping their place but that was the game they won and look they didn't even it was like all these lawyers and attorneys like tearing down the goalposts they even had they had a um there we are after the game we actually we uh is it a big law program carl lee is their coach and he's an awesome guy i I mean, he's a class.
He just gets smoked. Oh, we got to.
Yeah. There you are.
What are you doing on the field? What are you doing on the field? You almost ran that person over. That's amazing.
Put on a helmet, girl. That was a girl that should not have been.
Yeah. Yeah.
You almost, you almost ran her over. Yeah.
She shouldn't be playing wide out at, know it's just different um but no it's a uh what's it like there it's um oh after the game so they had like engineers like how should we take this down and then there's just drunk kids like just rip it down yeah and then they carried it down broadway which is like the street you were talking about the goalposts because they'd never had it happen those kids had never broken a law in their life yeah they even tried to valet park the goalpost at like a restaurant yeah is it a fancy like an expensive fancy type school i mean i don't think it's a lot of it's a lot of kids that never played probably dice in an alley i would say that so i would say it's you know probably pretty decent you know man that's pretty crazy huh but it's a it is a really cool it's a cool program man i feel like i could see three stadiums for my hotel i I feel like I could see the Vanderbilt one, the Tennessee Titans one, and Nissan Stadium. Shout out, Nissan.
Yeah. Is Nissan a big Tennessee car manufacturer? That's a good question.
I don't think so. It sounds Nissan.
It's Japan. Japanese.
It's Japanese. Huh.
Interesting. Dude, thanks for coming in, Timothy.
I appreciate it, man. Man, thank you.
You know, you know I not with the shameless plug but I got this movie A Complete Unknown coming out Christmas Day did you actually see it? yeah fantastic man so I'm excited that we can actually talk about it and I was very much in the time period of the movie the whole time trying to stay without being a dick you know within the bounds of the character but somebody in the hair and makeup trailer at the end of the day, they would play this podcast, which is how I discovered it. And particularly the episodes with the garbage man and sort of like the real-life episodes, the lunch lady, the coroner.
Wayne, yeah, Wayne, the garbage man. He's doing good.
Those were like awesome episodes, you know? And sort of like worldviews that I wouldn't get otherwise. And you're from New York, right?

And I'm from New York, so Garbage Man, he totally recontextualized that for me.

Bro, he did a great job.

Because they used to have –

I used to hate them.

Yeah.

Yeah, because you think they're taking their time.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And I realized how tough that job is.

I mean, he was like throwing dogs in the back of the – I mean, that story is – do you remember that?

There's a lot of – yeah, lot of yeah missing yeah formerly living things started to disappear in the back of the back of the well they used to have incinerators in the buildings that's what was crazy right right so that the people would put their trash it would hit the incinerator and then they would just have i mean this is like 60 or 70 years ago i think but they would just have um soot in barrels you know or in uh cans on the side of the street and then they started getting bags but he said yeah there's been times where a lot of things have shown up but thank you man for checking it out yeah for just hearing it on accident no hearing it on accident loving it and um i'm so happy you saw this movie and this is like um you know i hope this isn't like a shameless self-play but no it's not at all yeah look man we're happy that you're here and interesting. I appreciate it.
And you get to do a biopic or biopic. I still don't know, man.
Biopic sounds like a medical procedure. Yeah.
You know, that sounds like someone, you know, is inspecting your lungs to see if you played the role the right way. I like biopic.
Biopic sounds fancier. Yeah, biopic does sound fancy.
I think that's true. Yeah, biopic.
Was it like, so let me let me think about a question like that just so people know this is about a four or five year period in bob dylan's life this is a period yeah four or five year period in the early bob dylan's life and i'm sure a lot of people listening to your program are already fans of bob dylan's but i'm sure a lot aren't because to my generation you know yeah people some people don't know so don't know and he's really one of the most fantastic american artists of all time and has influenced our culture in so many deep ways and it's just you know i grew up on on kid cudi and hip-hop and that was really my you know my my my passion and then somewhere in my 20s because this movie i was working on i became obsessed with this this man bob dylan who's absolutely i could just speak about him endlessly and you know i would love if people saw this movie and even if they got a passing interest discover the world of bob dylan i feel like we get to be a bridge or a gateway to this to this guy and uh i hope this isn't one of your episodes where you got like someone you know like one of the ones people skip because it's like a a person plug and so you know i'm what I'm saying? Like a, I don't want to use that word celebrity, but like, you know, because my favorite episodes of yours are. Oh, like a fancy, like a fancier person, hypothetically fancier.
No, I don't mean like that, but just like, I like, like I said, I like the ones that are off the cuff. Yeah, we don't have like a lot of celebrities on.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I never really use that word, but um. No, that's okay.
Yeah. No, no, I don't think so.
Look, man, I think, I feel like this part job is that, though. Because when I'm working, I'm really very much in it.
You know what I mean? And then here, anyway. Yeah, actors get kind of a weird rap, though, because then they also have to be celebrities.
In some way. Yeah, in some way.
And well, if you want to get your movie out, there's only a limit of how pretentious in some way. Whatever, whatever you know i want i want this especially this movie i believe in this movie and i believe in this man he's a tremendous artist so i want to i want to you know get it out there yeah yeah no i don't think that's man i think that like you did the movie with the young man with drug addiction with steve carell's son beautiful boy which was awesome yeah yeah i yeah i know you struggle with that a little bit yeah yeah man yeah and so many people have and it's like um so i don't think there's any doubt in people's mind about your ability to um be a bridge between whether it be a story you know a story or a person to uh a new generation or to new listeners or people kind of imbibing it.
And I appreciate you bringing up Beautiful Boy and I feel like you're doing the exact same thing. Not to just blow smoke up each other's ass, but I feel like when you...
Oh, we're a couple of naughty Native Americans right here. Come on, come on.
Oh yeah, if you're listening to this and not watching this, we're fully the bottom half of our bodies are... We're your booth and i'm just getting spicy out here what that means i don't either i don't even know what that means that out but um no but uh but uh because i know you speak on it too and you probably empower people you know that uh otherwise would be um doing some naughty stuff yeah people want to hear us people want to see it people want to see like a little bit of a journey that they can relate to or hear about it yeah exactly um what so about the character like so bob dylan has like such a famous because yeah a lot of younger generation might not know about him you know yeah and um a lot of um he has such like a hen um that's a good bob dylan man was it yeah that was good how did you do when you first decided because you had to practice it in your room or something like tell me about the first that was super gradual can't do it with people that are fans because people that are fans of bob dylan will go they'll all tell you got it wrong that's the trouble with playing someone so famous and beloved everyone's got an opinion about him yeah so you gotta put the blinders on and just kind of do it around people that um you know look man i'm usually not that prick actor who's like obliging his friends or whatever to listen to the the character he's working on it but this is the one time i did that oh i think you have to do that because yeah you don't want to get out there and do a bad job of exactly man this this would have been blasphemous i would have gotten killed i mean i could still get killed yeah but now it seems like you know getting a little bit of get a little bit of love you know what i'm saying hey snipers down lay down snipers yeah um but was there a moment where you tried that where you actually tried it yes very gradually um i i i had to there's a great dialect coach named tim monick you know you can work with people that are like experts in this field and they'll tell you how to go about it he this man tim monick invented dialect coaching.
He came up with it. Tim Monick.
Let's bring him up. Tim Monick.
T-I-M-O-N-I-C-H. He's worked with Leonardo DiCaprio.
He's worked with everyone. So he's a famous dialect coach.
Man, I've never looked him up before. Yeah.
Tim Monick. There he is right there.
Okay. Is that the man? Yeah.
There I am with him. I got in trouble anyway.
Oh, you did? What happened to you? I got in trouble because the strike had just hit, and I was just hanging out with him, and I didn't really get in trouble. People thought I was a scab, and I was working with him.
Oh, yeah. But he's a- Crossing lisp lines or whatever? You're right, dude.
You're right. You're right.
That's crazy. That's the only union where you'd be crossing the picket line by working on your tongue.
Yeah, that's crazy. It was a real thing, dude.
Oh, yeah. Really? Scab.
Stop working on the accent. How dare you learn Spanish? Yeah, exactly.
That's crazy. Wow.
Man, next time I'll call you. Because actually when you put it like that, it's like, what are you supposed to do? You know? And I wasn't working with him.
I was hanging out. You know? We went to a shitty, super shitty.
It's bleak, man. The way Bob Dylan, when he came up, there was all these cafes in downtown New York and the music.
And now I was trying to find the folk scene in modern day Manhattan. It was brutal.
Oh, I think in Manhattan, probably. Maybe somewhere in the village, probably, right? Yeah, but it was brutal.
It's still rough. I went to Cafe Wa where Bob Dylan came up.
And it's just like Aerosmith covers now. So some guy goes, Dreamo! And you're like, oh man, this is not how it was.
It's just, it has like a small aripastali in the back kind of. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that's kind of a bummer. Did you have to meet Bob to get into this? I never got the chance to meet him.
Not yet at all. Oh, he's super reclusive.
Yeah, he's elusive. He's that reclusive? Yeah, I don't know if i'll ever see the movie yeah he's uh he did this uh x post i've been taught to say it's not tweet anymore i guess fucking x post but uh that he did it like three days ago you know and um uh that was more than he he uh there's a movie about me opening soon called a complete unknown um timothy shallow may is starring in the lead role timmy a brilliant, Timmy is a brilliant actor.
I kind of respect it though. Nice.
Honoring your youth. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Timmy's my 12-year-old expression, dude. Timmy's a brilliant actor.
I'm sure he's going to be a completely believable as me or a younger me or some other me. The film's taken from Elijah Wald's Dylan Goes Electric, a book that came out in 2015.
It's a fantastic retelling of events from the early 60s that led up to the fiasco at Newport after you've seen the movie, read the book. Oh, that's nice.
Super sweet. So do you even talk to him on the phone or anything yet? No, nothing.
I never got the chance to talk to him. I like that you point out that Timmy.
I tried, you know, when I was 1920, I was evolving into Timothy. You said you shed some letters.
Exactly. Add some letters.
Add some letters from Timmy to Timothy. Yeah, I thought you were going Tim.
Sorry. Tim would be, you know.
You're going Timothy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tim, like I said. Oh, she went from Timmy to Timothy.
Yeah, 40s, 50s, couple of ex-wives. Then you go Tim.
Then you go Tim. You know, I'm like mowing my lawn all day.
Yeah, hey, Tim. Exactly.
Missed a spot. Missed a spot missed this spot yeah you know you're like there's a bird's nest there calm down you know sort of a disgruntled expression on my face watching my kids sports games yeah because they're not playing to the level that i was at a swim meet too swim meets the worst because you can't even talk to the person next to you because it echoes so much in the room i've never been to a swim swim meet in my life.
Even if you whisper a little, the people here- It travels. Yes.
It travels. Oh, you cannot gossip.
How many swim meets? You go to Lipscomb College swim meets? I mean, I don't go to the- I've been- Yeah, I've been aside. Yeah, be careful, dude.
Yeah, I do. You're right.
And it is. And I definitely watch from my car with binoculars, so it's not too creepy.
So it's normal. It's totally normal.
The fact you've been doing it since your early 20s means that, you know, it's cool. I've grandfather that guy's not a pedophile he's uh he's an artist he's an artist and this show happened you know the show sprouted in this period of you doing that so how can you fault the process the proof of the pudding yeah the guy how do you expect him not to rehearse his own life um but yeah um yeah you can't that's the thing you just can't gossip at a swim meet man yeah what are we talking about I don't know I've never been to a swim meet You know that's a very non You know like there's four pools in New York City Oh yeah You know what I mean? That's true We don't have swim meets But we have What do you guys have? We play dice in the alleys Like you were saying before No I'm kidding But you know I was talking about this the other day Like my high school They wouldn't let us out for lunch Would they let you out for lunch or no? Oh yeah you could do whatever you wanted at lunch They didn't let us out I feel like my skin tone from when I went into high school By the time I got out I looked sickly I haven't recovered Oh it got very you got kind of like Anemic What else is it called kind of Boo Radley-esque Exactly Yeah because they should give you at least an hour In the sun they give it to inmates Yeah And just because I'm learning social studies I don't get it I don't get it, exactly And then I'd be in the basement doing, just acting all day Just because I'm learning fucking Voltaire I don't get 40 minutes in the sun A raisin got in the sun I don't That's a good play, I was right there, man Denzel Washington, baby I will accept that I heard.
Really? No. Oh, thanks.
I was like, God, I don't want that going around. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, man, listen, that's the subversive. No one would expect it.
That's very low-key, dude. Is there theater in Nashville? Yeah, there's got to be.
There is a theater program. That's a good question.
I grew up in Louisiana. We had some theater.
We just did like- Did you ever do theater growing up? Yeah did i did well it was just called drama club or whatever and it was a lot of people who was it was a lot of people i think that were wanted to be actors and then a lot of people that just were kind of like the outsiders yeah outsiders yeah i went to the high school it was the opposite the drama kids were the the cool kids yeah and the basketball kids were like there's like four of them bro that's got to be interesting a lot of people don't get that opportunity no it skewed my perception the real world because then i got to columbia and i was like oh shit the value system is totally different you know but actually in a serious way kind of motivated me to go pursue my acting even harder but did you ever think about acting or you're like what's the exchange rate on this hamlet scene i have exactly exactly exactly uh yeah i did just some stuff at school but i would always mess it up like we did like Sherlock Holmes or something And I was like Watson or whatever His buddy or whatever It's like his Who was Sherlock? His man crush Whatever And our guy was very like Progressive So we tried to make There to be like This small like Lover scene Or just like some Ambience between Sherlock and Watson You didn't go for it? I don't know if I went For it or not I was like 13 You gotta go out there man you gotta be bold you gotta be well you would have earned the respect of all your classmates or actually i don't know where you're from maybe it's pretty good either way but um but yeah there was this definitely kind of romantic where they're looking for the clues and they're kind of finding each other that's what the guy said and i was like this seems like insane but you didn't do it i i tried my. But then I remember I got the first night I got out there on stage.

I took on this Latino accent.

Okay.

For some reason.

It's a strong choice, man.

It's all about strong choices.

And nobody knew it was coming.

Perfect.

And I was like, what's up, Holmes?

You know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, so yeah, that was just.

And that's when I realized it was tough for me to be in some ensemble things.

I just wanted to be by myself, you know?

Like that kind of thing.

And you found this sort of format, right?

Yeah, it's where stand-up came.

Would you do a movie if it came your way?

If I've got to make it myself, I think.

Okay, all right.

You don't want to be slotted into something?

I don't think so.

I just am super protective about myself for some reason,

which may seem kind of weird.

For some reason, you had me on.

That was a bad choice.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, a good choice, dude.

So in New York, when you were a kid, who was your best friend? Best friend growing up? Nobody, man. I was always pursuing acting, dude.
Were you really? I was born, I was bred at Warner Brothers Studios in a little embryo fluid. It was just like that? Yeah.
No, man, you know, probably Brett Goldstein, you know. A kid in your building or something from school? No, he was a kid on the Upper West Side.
And my older sister was friends with his older sister, Brenna. And just, I think they still live there.
Greg and Bess, those are his parents. And Brett, you know, that was my whole friend group.
Then they all, my whole friend group went to this school called Computer School. And then I went to a school called Booker T.
Washington. So I lost my, I lost my friend group there.
But, um. And do you have a roommate now? No.
You don't? Thank God, man. That's, like, more than...
Sorry. No, I mean, but fucking...
That's more than anything. That's what Jezelnik says on Netflix.
He says, you really made it when you don't have a roommate anymore. Oh, yeah.
Oh, in New York. In life.
Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Well, yeah, I think in... Well, especially in New York because it's so expensive.
In other places, some people get a roommate because they just get maybe lonesome or whatever. Do you have a roommate? I don't have a roommate, you know.
I would like to get one or I'd like to get a wife maybe this year. Where, where? Next year.
How do you go? 2020-y, that's what I'm calling it. 2020-y, how do you go about that? I think getting out there and meeting people.
Do you have friends that you trust, that you would trust, like, to set you up? Some, but sometimes you're shocked at who they'll set you up with. like you're insulted i mean you're just like well we must think that you think differently about you how so give me an example uh just like no names but just somebody put me all with like a you know just a um a woman that had like you know any way i say this i lose here okay all right all right all right that there was no...
How do you do this format? Like, you're never nervous that people are going to watch that you're talking about? Yeah, but I just make sure that I just try and don't say anything that would be really mean about somebody. So right there, it could have got weird.
Right, and you send... You'll send scary people after people, you know.
Oh, well, I mean, we'll... You'll send guys in suits outside people's eyes to make sure they don't...
There's a podcast sphere out there that things, you know, get handled or whatever. I don't want to use that term.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know oh well i mean we'll you'll send guys in suits outside people's eyes make sure they don't there's a podcast sphere out there that things you know get handled or whatever i don't want to use that term yeah yeah yeah that's terrifying it's not a there's no lawyer involved you're just winging it the lord is our lawyer that's some of these people's motto right right right right so right right it gets kind of like that um this episode is sponsored by prize picks baby you know it you picking prizes i am if you like firing on sports then prize picks is the best daily fantasy sports app for you it's unique i'll say that and right now you can sign up and you get 50 instantly when you play just $5.
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Do you, when you go into a role like this, do you start to think like so a lot of younger people will think that you're you're bob dylan you almost become you almost take a piece of the person's existence in a strange way does that make any sense yeah man yes and no you know because i become such a fan of his that um it's not like i feel like i'm a blemish on the legacy but i no not at all that's not what i mean mean. People are going to think, some people are going to think you are, when they think of him in the future, your face will come into there.
I'm just saying that even if I have a healthy amount of self-respect, it's never going to come close to who he is. So I like the idea that I could be a bridge.
But I had a buddy that said, the Johnny Cash movie, Joaquin Phoenix, who is the same director, walked the line, he said, you know, I actually like Joaquin's versions of Johnny Cash's songs better than Johnny Cash's songs, but I never wanted that, sincerely, I don't want that to happen here, because, and I wanted to protect against it, because Bob's got this raw voice, he's got this, like, iron voice, and, uh, I don't want, I never wanted these songs to be, sort of, like, more gentle than his songs, you know, and had to fight against that because the recordings we made, a lot of them were super. It's hard, man.
He was playing on a beat up guitar with shitty recorders. He had a bronchitis in his early 20s.
His voice was all fucked up. And I didn't want it to be like watered down, you know, because he very purposefully was.
He liked Jack Kerouac and Moriarty. He, you know, a lot of the books I read, he didn't have great hygiene, you know, stuff like that, so I didn't want the movie to be watered down all of a sudden.
Right, you wanted to honor him as much as you could. Yeah, exactly.
But also without being him as much, like you- Yeah, not do this Hollywood version, basically. Right.
Because these biopics, it's a fine line, man. And I've never done anything like this.
I usually play a role, actually, sort of- Yeah, Wonka you did, kind of. Yeah, Wonka I did, yeah.
But that's maybe not real. No, but it's, it's yeah yeah thank god well don't tell the children thank god thank god no but also you know probably have to get psychiatric help but um but uh no but and there's a certain pressure with that wonka too people are like very protective of characters they love you know they don't want and there's sort of like a cynicism about hollywood you know about like why are they keep revisiting um the wonka thing i thought was justified because it's a new story we weren weren't doing Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.
We were doing sort of an origin. And by the way, I don't know if you've seen Wonka.
Have you? Yeah, which one have I seen? Yeah, I've seen all of them. You watched it while you were in the car spying on the Lyft's college.
You had it playing on the audio. First of all, if you've never seen the Wonka movie, but you just listen to the audio, that's a little bit.
That's already weird, too. It's kind of, yeah.
It's interesting. They had Stevie Wonder at the movie last night.
Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting bridge right there.
No, but I was the same thing, man. I was like.
Yeah, it is, right? Like, just, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, surround. No disrespect, but I was just like, man.
No, the godfather of surround sound, basically. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I heard. The premiere was pretty interesting.
So, last night was your was premiering la man it was great you know uh oh dude thanks for coming the day after your premiere yeah that was probably late i apologize man were you guys up late right we were up late and i basically i shot this movie marty supreme all the fall these crazy directors you know crazy director josh saft you ever see uncut gems oh yeah so good that director So it's kind of that energy That chaotic thing So it wasn't like a low energy shoot

This was like 16 hour days

For three months

Then I went right into this

So I haven't been like drinking at all

Not that I ever really had a problem with it

But just you know

And I actually find my mind is so much sharper

I'm amazed I haven't gotten sick

Through this whole

Like last couple months

But last night I had to have a couple drinks

So I'm kind of fried today man

Yeah

I'm sorry my voice is a little No you gotta celebrate Did you have to get up and make a speech? What's it like at something like that? Man, great question. It's like...
Oh, here we are right now. Man, I don't do the...
I call it instant nostalgia, you know? Oh, seeing these pictures like this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of bizarre, isn't it? Yeah, it's kind of bizarre, man.
This is good because this is, I'll say this, it's a great cast and a great director. So we all have fun.
Edward Norton, man. Edward Norton should come on this podcast, man.
He's a legend. Absolute legend.
Oh, yeah. He's a super legend.
He was in the... You ever see Rounders? Yeah.
Do you play Texas Hold'em? Yeah, I play it sometimes. He good And both of the actresses were great The ladies in it Oh, and his wife was in it What's her name? Errico Yeah, they got a beautiful group of ladies in there And men too Yeah, look at Boyd Holbrook, man With the blue suit on That's a handsome man Is he real handsome? Yeah, he's a stud Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude You are, man look at Boyd Holbrook, man, with the blue suit on.
Oh, yeah. That's a handsome man.
Is he real handsome? Yeah, he's a stud. Well, dude, you're kind of a handsome dude.
Like a lot of dudes. You are, man.
Look at that. I've seen so many people ape your haircut.
Really? Yeah. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of freaking thieves out there.
How long have you had it? This haircut I've had for probably, it's a little dicey today. I've had it for probably, well, I had it as a child.
Oh, no way. So this goes back.
Oh, yeah. And then I tried to blend in whenever I moved to Hollywood and stuff, and it didn't work for me.
And so then I tried to blend out. Oh, so you started in LA before Nashville.
Yeah. Yeah, I lived out here for 12 years.
I was doing stand-up comedy. This is where I started doing stand-up comedy.
Oh, yeah. Where? The comedy store and stuff like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Comedy store. It was awesome, man.
I really enjoyed it. And a whole sort of generation of comedians came out of there then huh Yeah and that was like Yeah all types They had like Chris D'Elia Tom Segura Is that a bigger Bigger comedy base here Than New York you think That's a good question You know what's so funny They're totally different From each other And some people in one Don't even know The people in the other Because the audience Is different you think Just It's just a total Different group of people like you go there and it's almost like it feels like you have to start all over it's a it's just a total different like you i'll go into a club there and it feels like a whole different thing i'm walking into a club for the first time in new york you don't think you get the love you get out here i think you you'll get the you'll get a lot of respect but you just feel that way it's not your territory you know right right right and you want to give respect to the guys that that's their grounds that they walk on every day.
Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because that's where they live.
Like if somebody came out and was like being real flashy, but they're not in your kind of club here, it would be the same way, I think. Interesting.
So there's a lot of code of conduct like that. Would you ever do Saturday Night Live? I don't know, man.
You know, it's so funny. I went and saw it recently.
It's crazy, right? It's a crazy setup. It is crazy.
You did it? Yeah, I've done it twice. Oh, you have, okay.
It's super dialed in, right? I should have known that. Oh, yeah, dude.
Oh, yeah. I went with Chris Farley's brother.
It was the first time that he'd been back to go to SNL since his brother was on there, since he'd went with him. So it was pretty neat.
What was that like for him? He was, dude, he told so many great stories. I wish they'd have put him out on stage.
I was like, have out there Tell his stories it was just classic But I went to watch Bill Burr I'm a big Bill Burr fan so I went to watch him Did you see the last Sandler special on Netflix? McGee performed that night too That was dope There we are right there with Chris Farley's brother I Did he take your haircut or not? Did he take your haircut or not? Did he take your haircut or not? HGH, dude. No, no, no.
I got to get some HGH. Do you work out? Yeah, I do work out, dude.
Yeah, I do. God.
Yeah, I went today, I mean. That's what I mean.
But yeah. We once.
Works out once. What else do I want to know about this film? So you didn't hear anything from Bob.
Once. Yeah.
Works out once.

What else do I want to know about this film?

So you didn't hear anything from Bob.

What about like his wife or his kid or something?

No, his kids, you know, almost towards the start,

Monica who plays Joan Baez in the movie,

she was in touch with Joan the whole time.

And I thought about reaching out to his kids.

But the thing is, when somebody gets revered like Bob at some point,

he becomes this legend.

You know, people can sanitize the past.

What do you mean by that when you say that, just so we know?

They could present the best version of someone, you know, and not present their flaws.

You know, even a lot of the documentaries about Bob, they just paint him as a genius.

There's one documentary called Don't Look Back, this D.A.

Pennybaker one, where you actually see him raw.

It just captures his behavior. And it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back, you know.A.
Pennybaker one, where you actually see him raw. It just captures his behavior.

And it was sort of right before he got too famous where he turned his back on letting himself be filmed.

And so that was like the biggest help for me.

And I thought about talking to his kids or his grandkids,

but actually I was at the University of Minnesota

like three days ago.

We're doing sort of a screening for the students there.

And then someone said, this is Milo Dillon.

This is his grandnephew.

And he kind of looked like Bob. And he said, can we get a picture and then he put his finger out he said you phase and then i said well like the video clan like the video game he said no never mind so the new deal so even all the dylan's are unique yeah i don't know what that means you phase with the finger like that i don't know i mean i know phase banks i don't know what that means.
You phase? You phase with a finger like that. I don't know.

I mean, I know phase banks.

I don't know a lot of the phase guys.

I know that one of them gave CPR to Sketch one night or something

when he wasn't doing good.

Whoa.

But anyway, shouldn't have said that out loud.

Who's Sketch?

I don't know who's Sketch.

What's up, brother?

That guy.

Did you see him?

No.

Oh, my gosh.

Wow.

It's crazy how different worlds are so different dude Sketch him No Oh my god No Oh yes I have I have Yeah Is that brother? Yeah yeah yeah He's been on this Oh yeah he's been on this Yeah yeah yeah He's a great bro He is so creative He has one of the most creative minds I've been around Yep Just like he has his own pentameter of making jokes and stuff. It's pretty fascinating.
Is he stand-up? Nope, he's not a stand-up. I think there's this new thing that goes on now where as if somebody's...
It's interesting what's going to happen with stand-up. Because stand-up has been this thing that people always go practice and then they go do.
But now a lot of people build so much traction from social media. Yeah, that they pop off like that.
But then how do you take that and perform it take that and perform it is there a performance a whole different thing yeah yeah some people on their podcasts are granted the stand-up is different right yeah it's different or just like stand-ups in a golden era i feel like it's like boxing i feel like now i feel like netflix kind of made it you know sexy again in some way yeah i think well the news got like very um all the same i feel like and it got very i what a lot of people believe maybe um commandeered by advertising in a way right right right some of that happens it's capitalism so i think podcasting was just this like became this open format yes yeah yeah where it was like okay also you know that you're really resonating in some way yeah right because it's not dollars that or it's not like well especially in the beginning for the first like four or five years you're not really making any money so it's like um you're just doing your best you're just keeping it and then at a certain point like people will say well if you're not gonna let me say what i want then get your advertising off of my network yeah that's a that's a risk man yeah i mean it's a risk dollars wise right risk dollars-wise, yeah. I mean, Dana White was on here one time, and one of our episodes got pulled down because of, we had Bobby Kennedy on this political, a buddy of mine, who also ended up going into politics, but they didn't want to be associated with it or whatever.
And anyway, Dana was on, and he said, who called and said they, and we were like, it was this. Kellogg's.
It was B or something Proton or whatever it's called Peloton And dude, next thing you know, people all across the country Were throwing Pelotons into the Boston River Well, they give you heart attacks too Do they really? Well, that's not going to help them No, based on that Sex and the City You know, Mr. Biggs That's how he died You didn't see that he died on the Pel on the peloton he dies in the episode and then their their stock crashed because people thought it was killing it's like and they obviously had to sign off on that i guess that wasn't a good idea that's a real thing right mr biggs uh i think can we see that we're pulling it up anyway oh there he is oh yeah that's what happens when you he married samantha huh i don't know about this show yeah um what else was i going to think about oh when you think about so i just want to make sure that we get a lot about this film and what i thought that was yeah what did you like about it you don't have to uh you don't have to you don't have to like the movie but were you did you know anything about bob delan before or no nope i uh well yeah i know some of his music you know i know your parents or your mom listened Oh, yeah.
My mom listened to it. This kid I grew up with, he would play it in his room every night.
He had the harmonic and everything. He was a big Bob Dylan fan.
My friend Ty, who I used to live with, who, yeah, I mean, Bob Dylan was the first mumble rapper. I mean...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, man, absolutely.
Yeah, whining with a backbeat. Absolutely.
Everybody's like, you know, thinking that it was some of these other guys, like Uzi Vert or maybe Kodak Black, who's just a mumbler. I mean, at a certain point, can we just say that? He's great.
Yeah, he was a mumbler. I mean, at some point, he enunciated better.
Yeah. But definitely early on.
Yeah, it's gotten a little rocky. I feel like it's gotten rocky recently.
Which is cool, man. He might be going through some stuff, too.
Who knows? Sometimes it's so hard to know, you know, sometimes it's so hard to know you know what people are he definitely keeps it behind uh he does screen we don't know what's going on yeah i probably said more in this interview than he said his whole life it's myth probably yeah that'd be great if we had a word like it's like a word counter for you and kodak yeah you're like just miles ahead of him yeah yeah yeah literally dude you could sneeze and be like seven words ahead of him, I feel like. You said it.
You said it. What about some other, well, I just want to think anything else about the film that was, was it hard to learn the music? Did you have any issues with that or how did you guys make that happen? Not really, man.
I had five years to work on it, so I took guitar lessons with a great... Wait, you had five years to work on this? Wait, because you auditioned for it over a long period of time.
Yeah, well, 2018 we're supposed to do it, summer of 2020. Then the pandemic hit.
Then I just kept working on it, kept working on it. I was supposed to do the summer of 2023.
Then the strike hit, which is when I was coached. Still getting in trouble for doing my, you know, getting rid of my lisp.
I'm just kidding. Oh, when you were meeting with that guy? Yeah.
In the dark alleys? In the dark alleys? Yeah. To work on the accent.
Yeah, to work on your keeping your tongue down when you say certain vowels. Down with the pellets.
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It's that time of year, man. It's the holidays.
Come on, it's the holidays. You know, this is the holidays the holidays in America in 2024.
Are you a big holidays guy? You know what? I think it does remind me a little bit to slow down kind of, which is nice because life gets going pretty fast a lot of times. Do you think you're more elfish or Santa? Oh, it's a good question.
I wish I could be a little more Santa. I'm more of like, sometimes a little more Mrs.
Claus.

Like I'll start bitching about a lot of shit.

About nothing.

Yeah.

About nothing.

I'll just get a light shade.

But I just got to slow down.

It's just been like a long year.

Yeah, you've been busy.

Yeah.

What are you going to do for, are you going to go away or anything?

Yeah, I'm going to go to Louisiana and see some family.

Then I might try to take a vacation for a few days.

We'll see.

A little Baton Rouge.

Yeah.

My family lives right down there.

So what about you?

I'm going to be here because I've been all over the place. I'm going to New York tonight.
Then I go to London and then do all this promo for the movie. Oh, you said you have to promo for this movie.
For how long does promo take? Well, it's coming out on Christmas, so I'm going every day. But I love the movie.
That's why, you know, that's why, shit, man, I'm trying to go as hard as possible. And, you know, and then fucking come back here and be with my family, be with my new little niece.
Oh, you got a new niece? First one? First one. Let's go, dude.
That's a crazy moment. What's her name? Can you bring a picture of her? We can show a picture of her.
I don't even think, I think my sister's kept her offline. You know, my sister lives in a sort of like, she's with a group of people in like a forest type thing in France.
No way. Where, near Ancy? Yeah, near Nancy.
Yeah, in a forest. No internet.
I'm sorry, bro. I'm sorry.
Let's check in on your sister. Let's email her a meal.
Let's give her a French coupon. No, but she's...
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No groupons in France, man.
No Groupons in France. There isn't? No Groupons and a high property tax.
They have high property tax over there? Absolutely, man. Because it's a beautiful property.
Beautiful property, and they don't want people just coming in, you know, not... Just milling around for 40 bucks a month property tax.
I'm in that age now where I'll chat GBT, like, one of the most attractive low property tax places in America or around the world. Oh, yeah.
One of my neighborhood growing up dude i remember our property tax was eight dollars one year my mom paid in cash right out of her purse i was like where do we live at but who she give it to the guy that came by was it a legit guy you think he looked pretty legit he had his all of his buttons on his head he had a hoodie that said government government. He had a couple of them, yeah.
She just gave me eight bucks. Oh, man.
Same thing, man. I grew up in like a Mitchell Llama.
You know about Mitchell Llama? Oh, yeah, the restaurant stars or whatever. No, no, no, no, no.
Mitchell Llama is like, there's like two, to my understanding, two versions of like good arts housing. You got section eight.
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I would live there. If I get a wife and she lives there, I'll stay.
I'll go live there. What's the ideal, you know, what does she look like both inside and out? Well, she looks like, probably looks like a nice lady, I think.
Let me think about the rest of it. Probably maybe played volleyball.
Maybe didn't. Maybe likes to be a mom, maybe.
I don't know, dude. She's looking for a mother.
Likes to laugh. Has a good sense of humor.
Okay. Because people that laugh get jokes usually.
You can't. Yeah.
You know, unless you're just, something's wrong with you and there's something, you just laugh every now and then. Right, right.
So, yeah. Could she do somersaults? Ooh, I hope she can, but I might try to be some kind of pervert or whatever, you know, but I wouldn't mind seeing one every now and then, especially if it's holidays or whatever and she wants to, you know, pop off a damn bee handspring or something for everybody.
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And it's got a little mic and a camera in there. Yeah.
Bro, that's such a good idea. Yeah.
She's just watching you watch. Every Christmas it's called.
It's a murder movie. It's a murder.
Yeah. Or it's just a movie about, it's about somebody who used to love somebody and they're watching their family now.
And they send them this random box and people put it on their tree they don't know. Yeah.
And camera in it. Write it, baby.
That's it. What do you watch on Christmas? I watch.
What would the camera see you doing? Well, we're supposed to do Christmas caroling this year with a couple fellows from the gym, actually. And so we're supposed to practice on Friday.
And we just hired a cool brother over there in Nashville To help us learn some of the lyrics I love how you say brothers dude I love how you say that man Oh yeah we're excited about it There's all brothers going so you gotta respect the culture man You know what I'm saying Oh man But yeah and then what are we gonna go Oh I watched Family Man Have you ever seen that one Nah I've never seen Family Man With Nicolas Cage Nicolas Cage It's a great movie One of the greats Have you ever seen that one? No, I've never seen Family Man. With Nicolas Cage? Nicolas Cage.
It's a great movie. One of the greats.
Have you ever met him? No, man, but Matchstick Men is one of my favorite movies ever. Yeah.
You know, Nicolas Cage, man. What a life.
But yeah, I'd like to get a wife, maybe. What about, there's kind of a love triangle in the movie.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's a...
So the women's Joan Baez. Joan Baez and Sylvie Russo.
Is Sylvie Russo, was she an artist? I couldn't tell. Yeah, her real name's Suze Rotolo in real life, but the real Bob Dylan was still very protective over her.
She was never really famous. So that was one of his big script notes.
He said, change that name. And, you know, just, I think he felt protective over her legacy in some way.
And so he had some notes about script yeah exactly the love triangle is is sort of uh one of the big you know like we do these q and a's for the movie now people will say was bob was his behavior towards the the people that he was in relationship with in his life you know was it it's definitely complicated but my answer is always he was he was focused on his art first and foremost also this movie is about people in their early 20s you don't really have life figured out especially in relationship then yeah that stuff is a mess at that age so he's kind of between these these two women in the movie and joan baez is a musician and artist ambitious the way bob would have been and sylvie's really the more grounded character i think what el fanning does in the movie is incredible you kind of see the movie through her eyes because she's not one of these famous musicians. She's really just a real person and is deeply affected.
Yes, she was very affected by Dylan and her character was. Yeah.
That was interesting to see. Yeah.
And the things that pulled. Well, she's the only person in the movie that doesn't have a transactional relationship with him.
Right. Really loves him for who he is.
And, you know, that was our theory. You know, I never talked to Bob Dylan, but i feel like that's why i think he's still fond of that relationship and private about it because if maybe the rest of his life could be confusing i'm not i don't want to speak for him but confusing about like who's being genuine with me and who's not she was always the clear day one clear candidate yeah wow that's interesting yeah yeah yeah i found like I was watching it, yeah, you're kind of rooting.
It's weird because who you're rooting for changes almost from scene to scene in the movie. Yeah.
Yeah, no one's like a great – besides Elle Fanning, everyone comes off a little – Real. Yeah, hopefully, yeah.
Like flawed, but like in a human way. Flawed in a human way and a little – especially in your early 20s, man, you're trying to figure out your life.
Oh, dude. They don't even, yeah.
Were you a saint in your early 20s? Dude, no. I mean, I was a Saints fan.
I'm a New Orleans Saints fan. But I was not.
I was not. You're at the game, like bucket.
I mean, I had on maybe a, you know, I might have had on a Drew Brees jersey. Drew Brees jersey on your 16th Miller Lite.
Dude. Yeah, that's for sure.
That was, um, but no, yeah, it's like, yeah, how do you even get, start to get things figured out? Um, but that's one thing that I liked about it. I like seeing the different, and I liked that there was like, okay, what's this relationship like over here going to happen? What's this relationship like over here going to happen? And then just seeing like, I did get a better idea of like, oh, okay.

Bob Dylan was just kind of like affected dude that he kind of was maybe better

than he thought he was or,

or he was actually so great and they tried to manipulate him.

It was just all so confusing, you know, like,

and I think it was confusing to him and it was like, exactly.

It was, it was, it was just a lot going on. and he seemed like a unique person and probably like a secretly sensitive guy and so for all those things to happen you know so quick to him and then for him to try to figure it out and navigate what was real i don't know man exactly and that's something i could relate to not not in the relationships necessarily in my life but you know you feel like your career gets going i don't know how you feel about that and you want to protect your energy and and but you still want to have close you know friendships and relationships and yeah but at first it's very it's a hard thing to navigate particularly if you want to keep writing you keep wanting like bob dylan you know and like you said he was genuinely great he had a gift from god at that point in his career he said it in ed bradley interview in 2004 he's like i feel like god was writing through me.
And he says in the interview, I can't do it anymore. He almost says it like, like, uh, no, he misses it.
Like he misses it. Yeah.
It's a beautiful moment in this Ed Bradley interview. He just, uh, he says, I can't do it anymore.
I don't know how those words were coming to me. And wow.
And I feel like musicians even more than actors. I feel like an actor, like into your thirties and forties and fifties, as your face ages, you can keep doing great work.
Right. The gravitas of your life lives on your face.
You know what I mean? Right. And so the more you learn in life, the more abilities you're going to have.
Yeah. And the more trauma you go through, whatever.
And I feel like as a musician, you can still do great shit, but it's really like a young man's game. Yeah.
You know? Yeah, because you have to do all that touring and stuff as well. Yeah, it beats you up.
For you, the movie kind of know i love you know it's funny we do these q a's so i get the backstage experience my holy shit i'm coming out man like fuck they're gonna say my name out loud i'm all excited i come out and then as opposed to a rock star i fucking sit in a chair oh yeah and i answer watch this and i sit down and i try to give poised answers and just make sure your posture is okay the whole time. Dude, it's humiliating.
Posture rocking in the house tonight. That shit is so hard to deal with, dude.
Because I'll be backstage and you hear the crowd like, Timothy, Shama. Yeah.
And then I fucking take my seat. Yeah, and then I'm poised.
You're like, let's go. And you sit down.
And I sit down, dude. It's humiliating.
It's very anti, I don't know what the word is, but somebody else probably knows it. But yeah, I don't know it.
But yeah, dude, you know what, though? I think it was, I do think that it was interesting if you frame it up like this is what it is. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a few years in a man's life that was a very interesting man who's probably written so many songs that some young people don't even know that he wrote.
Yeah, exactly. I was listening and I was like, no way he wrote that.
And like just some relationships that he had with other artists that you may not even know about. And sort of the first guy for me in American pop culture that said, I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want.
That's a good point. Yeah.
And that was like sort of blasphemous. Like every artist through the last 30, 40, 50 years that a lot of whom you can't shout out because they basically burned so many bridges.
But Bob Dylan was the first. He just wouldn't take no for an answer.
He just was fired up about his art. And his perception.
No, I don't think it sounds like anything. Yeah, but it's not corny because he really didn't give a fuck.
And it's that to me was really refreshing to work on. You know, now we live in a time where it's not only not only is it hard to be rebellious about your art, it's as much about the coliseum's reaction you know you think about a clip you like online or or something you like or don't like the first thing you do is you go to the comments it's as much about how people are reacting you know i'm saying as it is about the the actual thing right so in some ways it's harder now it's kind of harder now because not only you have to manage what you present but you have to manage also how what i don't got to, no, no.
But yeah, I was just trying to say, and also to avoid that, that's kind of what I'm doing these days, man. You just got to like, you have to bury your head so far.
Even like the pictures from the premiere, I'm just like, you know, I just try to put the shutters on. Because it's not healthy, man.
You know. Oh, looking at all your stuff and looking at that.
Yeah, you know. No, it's weird.
No, it's fucking weird. And then, you know.
And you're not supposed to do it. No, we're supposed to be, you know, like gathering nuts and berries.
No, that's not like I'm. Yeah, well, no, they had that first guy, Narcissus or whatever, looked in the river and saw himself, you know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And then he's like, hey, where are the ladies at or whatever? And you're like, whoa, dude, what are you talking about? What are you talking about, dude? You're not even that good looking.
Yeah, kill a rabbit, dude. Yeah.
Our tribe needs to eat, dude. Make a salad, bro.
Yeah. We got, yeah.
Yeah. We got people to feed.
We have 17 people and our elder is fucking suffering. Like you over here, like trying to start Clairol or whatever.
Yeah. Exactly.
Fucking working on your, you know. Yeah.
It's like just a bunch of Dior moisturizer. Talking about lip filler to everybody.
Like, what are you even talking about? Dude, it's 300 BC. What does that even mean stop working on your raya profile fucking help us with the fire we need to put out in the forest you narcissistic prick yeah dude what are you talking about i have no fucking clue no clue um what about other um because you can only do so many biopics too yeah yeah that's kind of weird you kind of you burned a biopic i burned a biopic we don't know i don't know i burned a biopic and i gotta go back in three months and i gotta check if it's still there and um no you're right i can only do so many especially like music ones i'll be honest what are some other ones you think i have a couple listen man oh ideas no you go first okay like that i could do or you could do i don't know if i keep talking people really why do you sit with him and just talk The whole time so we gotta get you to say something No I mean Well I'm trying to think of ones you could do You could do I don't know what I could do Maybe You could do a Brad Pitt biopic you know what I'm saying Put a little sprinkle on it No Maybe if little sprinkle on it.
No. Maybe if, like, maybe a Brad Pitt, like, was stranded somewhere, like, you know, maybe like a hitchhiker, something.
No, but you could, um. You could do, would you ever do Mabu, you think? Little Mabu? Oh, my God, dude, that is fucking funny.
That's an alternate time. I'm him in an alternate time.
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, because, you know, I used to, I used to. Well, you know, there's two ways you could have gone.
That's what we like to say a lot of times. Yeah.
That's me in an alternate time. I love him, bro.
I don't know enough about him. I know he's from New York though.
You're right. You know, it's a great point.
I don't fucking know if I like him. He could be a dirt ball, but I like, uh, I like some of his energy.
Some of his shit is pretty hot. It's very Bob Dylan, man.
Just be who you want to be. That's a good point.
Fuck it. That's how I do feel about him.
It's like, oh, I feel like, I feel like he's kind of unique. He kind of reminds me of like an Eminem, like when Eminem kind of like, he reminds me of like how Eminem was just unique in his time period.
Maybe I'll do a little Mabu biopic. I don't know what it's about.
I wonder what the tragedy of his life is. That's a good point.
It could be some crypto failure. Yeah, he launched Mabu coin.
Oh, he's going to be so fast, dude. Man.
Bro, sorry. No, dude.
No, I don't know. I don't know him.
I mean, he's clearly killing it. Yeah.
If he wasn't killing it, we wouldn't be talking about him. That's a good point.
He's definitely super entertaining. We're just joking around.
He started that conservation fund for that thing. Sorry.
Good, bro. Dude, you should be a politician.
You're good. I was acting.
Or that or maybe Abraham Lincoln's son or whatever. I could be Abraham Lincoln.
Me or you? You. What about if you...
Who was Abraham Lincoln's son? Dave Lincoln. That's a ridiculous idea.
It was Dave Lincoln. Was it? Dave Lincoln.
Was it really? Or Ricky Lincoln. Who is his son? Tad Lincoln.
Oh, my God. Yeah.
Oh god yeah oh yeah go to his information let's see him wow that's dude you

could be tad lincoln the fourth son of abraham lincoln what was his uh born with a cleft lip

and palate i'll work with tim monick we were talking about earlier i'll work with tim monick

on it you know and hopefully there's no strike imagine his father gave some of the greatest

speeches and here he is and he has this kind of like a little bit of a um like a disfigurement or some impairment right and he's like how do i overcome this yeah yeah say something as important that my father said did he ever did he ever um we could change it we could just give him the speech they were considered notorious hellions him and his brother willie he was sick a lot he got a typhoid a lot lot of people were getting sick back then. Yeah, easily.
You caught a Frisbee that was dirty, and you were down for two months. He went to see Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp.
Oh, wow. On April 14, 1865, Tad went to Grover's Theater to play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp, while his parents attended the performance of Tom Taylor's play, Our American Cousin, at Ford Theater.
That night, his father was assassinated. Wow, so he was at...
That could be my big scene. Yeah.
And you finally run up to him as he's done. Yeah.
And you say something super important. Who's playing Abraham Lincoln? Huh? Who's playing Lincoln? I don't know.
We gotta get somebody good. Pa's dead.
I can hardly believe that. I shouldn't ever see him.
This is some heavy shit. After the assassination, Mary Robert and Tad lived together in Chicagoago oh he died at 18 dude i can't come on oh holy shit tuberculosis this was a waste of pneumonia right here and congestive heart failure you could do it man yeah you could do it yeah don't age me down a little bit or jim carrey i think i could see you playing a jim carrey one day too i was thinking about that he's brilliant dude i, dude.
I mean, he's so brilliant. Have you seen his...
He went to some fashion event in like 2018, 2019. You see this red carpet interview? It's the biggest not-give-a-fuck interview of all time.
Is it? Yeah, if we have enough time... We should add 20 minutes to this anyway if we can.
This is the greatest... He looks so dropped into being himself.
Yes. I've covered a lot of fashion weeks.
This is the first time I've run into Jim Carrey. Wait.
Controlling the room. Is it true you're wandering the streets? You need a date to the party? What's up? No, no, no.
I'm doing just fine. I just, you know, there's no meaning to any of this.
So I wanted to find the most meaningless thing that I could come to and join. And here I am.
I mean, you've got to admit it's completely meaningless. Well, they say they're celebrating icons inside.
Celebrating icons. Boy, that is just the absolute lowest aiming, you know, possibility that we could come up with.
It's like icons. What do you, do you believe in icons? I don't believe in personalities.
I don't believe that you exist, but there is a wonderful fragrance in the air.

You don't believe certain icons have a knowledge.

Even when she doesn't exist, he's still trying to flirt.

That's the best part.

By our others?

Artistry?

You're one of them.

On the good foot.

Ha!

He's like, you're invisible, but let's smash.

No, no.

Yeah, no, I don't believe in icons. That's good, I uh I don't believe in icons that's good man I don't believe in personality yeah that would be an interesting guy to play because that's really cool that's a cool scene to play if you could do that yeah and what his crazy life yeah what his life was like yeah I mean he was the biggest biggest than anything bigger than anything right in the 2000s oh yeah and he had a show called in living color before that Jamie Foxx was on it.
Yeah, he was like the only white guy on it. Yeah.
Right? It was him, yeah, and they had a... He now has become an artist.
Yeah, he now has become an artist. But it's just interesting to get all the art out of your system, you know? Because some artists...
I think that's kind of what he... I think that's what he feels like.
I saw an interview with him today, Sonic the Hedgehog. They said, why'd you do this? He said, for the money.
Hmm. What a life.
Because a life because when bruce almighty was coming on me really he was like the biggest uh oh yeah wow what about do you feel like you have to be like because you're kind of like the the the it guy like the it younger guy in hollywood for sure for sure you know but does that feel like I don't know

it's like do you

and a lot of that is a lot of times curtailed by like the industry like you're yeah like you have a pretty like i thought you'd come with like in a tank or something like you drove over here by yourself yeah yeah so definitely um kind of i guess maybe against what i was thinking which doesn't mean anything um but do you worry about how do you still be yourself and find yourself at a time when you could be so maneuvered by so many bigger listen man not to bring it back to the movie but that's where Bob Dylan's so influential because Bob always followed his path and what's interesting about the movie industry instead of like as opposed to the music industry the music industry you write your own music you know and it's direct to the consumer in some sense like you do whatever the fuck you want and if people are vibing with it you'll know and whatever in the movie industry you do kind of have to there you you got to be reliable you know a musician you show up whenever you want they could be rock star to show four hours late if you're three hours late to a movie they got to call insurance you cost a million dollars now you'll never work again so there's a part of the job that's obedient in a sense but the best art and the best shit we see is stuff that you know people showed up for people showed up but but also where they they broke rules in a sense you know i was just talking to you know yeah yeah and and and so it's a fine line and i look at it this. This is my inner Tom Cruise where I want movies to be seen, and I don't want to live an unobedient life, but I also want at a time where maybe Hollywood or movie makers got a perception of sometimes being out of touch or something or definitely awards-type movies, I, especially a movie about Bob Dylan, I want, in all the movies I work on, that's why I did Dune, that's why I did Wonka.
And I'm proud that those movies, I know I'm not supposed to pat myself on the back, but those movies were big, you know? Like in the movie industry, or the movie business, brick and mortar theaters, they don't do the business they once did. Some of that's inevitable because of streaming, but I want to put my best foot forward.
You got to give back to the industry that I gave to you. That's really my MO, and that's why I'm here.
Otherwise, that's why you can't be the reclusive figure that Bob Dylan or Daniel Day-Lewis or these guys were because it's not about the bottom line, but the attention isn't guaranteed the way it used to be. You know what I mean? I hope this doesn't sound like too inside baseball.
I want inside baseball. I just, you know, you're like a real thinker, you know? So it's not like you're going to give some answer that isn't traveling through your thoughts and you explaining stuff.
So that's perfect. There's no wrong way to answer it.
It's a weird thing. It's like, yeah.
And then also I had a full ass real life before my career took took off like in the east village in new york so um not that my life isn't real now but like obviously on these press stores and stuff the days are micromanaged in some way but man you here's the thing that's another thing i say like as a musician or as a pop star whatever your music can be about your erosion of humanity like it could be about hey i'm driving this car and uh this is the crazy lifestyle of, but if you're an actor, if you lose your sense of humanity Like it could be about Hey I'm driving this car And this is the crazy lifestyle But if you're an actor If you lose your sense of humanity If you lose your stink For lack of a better word People will see that on screen You do see it on screen But you seem too fancy You seem out of touch People are gonna know That's why the Safdie movie I just did Man he put me He put me through the ringer Really? Oh yeah I felt like he was testing me early on What does that mean? So a director can kind of put you through some fucking shit? Yeah, look Josh knew me since I was 21 Josh Safdie? Safdie I was 21 Uncut Gems That's that movie, right? Yeah, Uncut Gems That's one of the best movies There you go, man And Good Time You know, Good Time with Robert Pattinson He directed too I haven't seen that I'm saving Robertbert pattinson for after yeah later yeah for sure for sure um but um you know like early on we had stuff that could have been stunt guys on this movie on on marty supreme and i saw him wanting me to do it and part of me was like this feels like a test you know and i wanted to show him and then now i feel like i've emerged from the other side with no broken bones or whatever thank god but and and josh i know i'm supposed to be talking about the bob d but Josh is like- It's okay, it's all you acting. Yeah, Josh is the real deal, man.
And seriously, Josh Savvy, he's like the modern day Scorsese. Dang, I want to meet that guy.
Oh, dude, you would love him. That's him? Yeah.
Yeah. I would like to meet him.
He could play Abraham Lincoln. He could play Abraham Lincoln.
And you play Tad Lincoln. I could play Tad Lincoln.
Tell him right now. His brother's an actor, Benny.
You ever see, you saw the Nathan Fielder show with Emma Stone on Showtime? No? Yeah, yeah. That's his brother.
I've seen Nathan Fielder's show. Yeah.
Wow, that's cool. Yeah, yeah.
Wow, that must have been awesome, man. Because that guy, that uncut Jim's is so good.
I look forward to seeing that. Yeah is a crazy crazy fucking so directors can do that

so sometimes it's like that it's going to be a journey it's going to be a journey yeah and what was the biggest journey through the um through the um unknown i just want to get the name of it a complete unknown christmas day through um what was it yeah leave it like that what was the biggest journey through a complete unknown on christmas day yeah yeah it's kind of you know the biggest Christmas Day.

Just Christmas.

It's only on Christmas you can see it comes out on Christmas Day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of, you know, the biggest journey.

Just Christmas.

It's only on Christmas you can see it.

It comes out on Christmas Day.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Biggest journey was the music and the voice.

And also, I've never had my phone off the entire movie.

I had three months.

You had your phone off the whole movie.

Yeah, I had three months to play this guy.

And then the rest of my life, I never get to play him again.

So I just, I was locked in.

Also, you're never supposed to say you're competitive, but I want, competitive, but there's been a lot of music biopics. Yeah.
And I wanted to do a great fucking job, man. I love Bob Dylan.
I love this artist. None of this is for granted.
This little misconception about actors, too, and acting, you can have a cushy job on a TV show. If you don't give a fuck about your work, it could be a great lifestyle, right? You're making like high six figures, maybe low seven figures, and you're just showing up when you want.

If you give a fuck about what you're doing, these are long ass days.

You know what I mean?

These are 14 hour days, six days a week sometimes, you know, three months.

Look, I know people got it way harder, but I want to feel that grit.

You know, I want to feel it.

You know, I hope people don't laugh at it.

I fucking really, I feel like I'm the hardest working man.

Anyway, maybe I shouldn't say that.

But, but.

No, you respect what you do.

Thank you. feel that grit you know i i want to feel it you know i hope people don't laugh at it i fucking really i feel like i'm the hardest working man um anyway maybe i shouldn't say that but uh but no you respect what you do yeah because you got to what else is the point i talk about this with friends a lot like this is too weird a lifestyle to be nonchalant about yeah why do this yeah if you're not going to go as hard as possible yeah on marty supreme i'm wearing contacts because he wanted my eyes to be little.
So he gives me real glasses that fuck my eyes up. And I'm wearing contacts underneath to offset what the glasses are doing.
And my vision was basically fucked up until a day ago. Every time I took these glasses off, my vision was skewed.
Wow. You know? You're like the Forrest Gump of sight or whatever.
Yeah. yeah, yeah.
Right, sort of. Dude, Forrest Gump is, we had the Forrest Gump ping pong coaches.
Same. Lovely couple in LA, Diego and Wei.
Been married 40 years. Wei is a Chinese ping pong champion.
Nuh-uh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, from the 80s.
She pretty cool? She's like, we would train, yeah, Wei, Wei Li, there she is. There she is.
Marty Supreme. That's my ping pong coach.
You know, we'd train for three hours, and then she'd say, let's play for real. And she's like, she's probably like 97 pounds.
She's like 5'1", and she's just like, yeah. Unbelievable.
You're not getting a point across. Yeah.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's beautiful.
A little bit of that. Do you, yeah, did you have to, so your phone was off for that long, so you just locked in? And what would you do to just go to, do to do you sleep on set or what do you do what's that like I sleep on set and you know method acting that gets like a bad rap people think it's just like a person being a prick and obliging everyone around them to subscribe to a reality that's not real the thing I came up with I call it oh dude that's just everybody's stepdad as well yeah exactly exactly yeah exactly yeah uh yeah give me that goddamn miller light but uh but uh i call it i call it method energy because um you know you you know uh you'd shit on me too if i'm coming off like a dick but um you know um i just tried to no cell phones nothing that reminds you of the present um and try to treat it like bob dylan as much as possible especially you're playing somebody that iconic that was tough too he didn't feel like an icon when he was himself he was just living his fucking life so if you talk to too many people that uh you gotta avoid earworms oh you know somebody putting something in your head that's that's in there yeah that's why edward norton i love him he's greateger in the movie, but he's like, Edward Norton is a little bit his character in the movie Birdman.

If you ever saw that,

he's like a very confident,

opinionated actor.

So I would kind of have to,

you know,

and then he caught me

watching Rounders one day.

Oh, yeah.

And then he,

then it was over.

Then he knew he had me.

That's like,

yeah,

if you're watching another movie,

that's a movie that some guys

in you right there.

Yeah, he caught me in the hair makeup show.

Oh, you like Rounders?

And I was like,

all right,

now,

now we're going to talk.

Oh,

hold me for a second.

Yeah.

That's a lot.

Yeah.

Thank you. I'm getting you at your comfort zone.
I've been out of my comfort zone since I was born. All right, Fair, fair, fair.
Yeah, I never subscribed to it. I never got the keys or whatever.
You know the code they give you in high school to your locker? Yeah, you never got that. I remember going up to my comfort zone and being like, oh, I don't think this is it.
What's the most comfortable you've ever felt in your life? What's a great question? The most comfortable? Like most in your body, no drugs, no alcohol. Probably after like a sauna and ice bath type of thing.
Oh, you do ice baths? Yeah, yeah. I'll get in there, dude.
Oh, yeah. I'll freaking just, I'll lay in a polar bear's ass, brother.
I like it. I like it like that.
Oh, yeah. I like it just brisk like that, you know? I love that.
Would you go to the Arctic? Oh, yeah. I would go up there.
Mr. Beast just went up there.
He went to Antarctica. Whoa.
I don't know what he, but he said there was nothing up there. There's not even like, you can't be like, hey, let's go somewhere.
And like, no, you can't. I don't get how that stuff works, man.
Where does he get, where does he get the money? He's just, he's just huge, huh? I guess he just has a lot of just expendable income to be that guy, you know? That's the other thing, like, where I want to be humble about putting movies out there. People's attention are elsewhere, is elsewhere now.
It quick. Yeah, and you've got to convince someone to see a complete unknown on Christmas Day and take the $15 or $20 or whatever the fuck it is now.
And instead of watching, you know, Mr. Beast in the Arctic.
Well, Mr. Beast has a show actually that comes out right before that, like a week before, but he was just on here.
And it's interesting, yeah. And it's an interesting show.
Totally different, though. But one thing that's great about your movie is that, first of all, you also just, in addition to whatever's going on with the movie, you get to hear, like, great music.
Yeah. It's great music.
Great, great music. It's great music.
You get to remember, like, Woody Guthrie. Who played Woody Guthrie in it? Scoot McNary.
He's amazing. Yeah.
He's amazing. Pull a picture of Scoot McNary.
Get a look at him before something happens to him. Yeah, and he doesn't have a line in the movie.
He doesn't have a line because he's so sick. Because he's so sick.
That was pretty awesome. We had Bernie Sanders on and he was saying that Pete Seeger was one of his favorite musicians.
Scoot McNary could play Bernie Sanders in a biopic. Right? Totally could.
Dude, you could play Ronald son, Ricky Reagan, or whatever. Is that a real guy? Is that a real guy? Probably, dude.
Bernie hasn't aged. Nah, Bernie still looks the same.
He's the best, dude. He's looked the same in the last...
Yeah. He's like a real folk hero.
That's a great point. Yeah, Bernie is...
He is a folk hero. Yeah, he's folk music.
Yeah, and you also forget about, like, what... Yeah, I mean, that thing about the movie.
You see the challenge of Bob Dylan to like take on like music and culture. There's this whole other cultural thing that's kind of happening in the background, like on the television and the news during the movie.
It was a crazy time. It was like the, it was the.
It was a cool piece of life. It was a cool piece of life.
The 60s were a cool time. When you get out of it all and it's done.
I was beat on this one. Were you? Yeah, I was.
What does that really look like a break? Do you go to like a beach? No, another thing, another misconception about movies like as opposed to the academic year it kind of winds down. You're never winding down on a movie.
You're doing 14 hour days and you go off a cliff and it's done. In other words, you don't relax towards the end.
We were doing a very important scene and it was done forever. And yeah, I guess I relaxed a little bit.
I went on vacation but i was beat i've been working i was working on this for five years this was like um this was like this was as important to me as you go into the parking lot and spying on the on the on the swim team of liftscope college nothing to see here exactly i'm just recruiting guys recruiting production assistants but um but uh do you uh so it was what do you think you would have done it more justice five years earlier no absolutely not also because i had the experience in my life where i would do interviews and you know it's a scary time to come up with the internet and stuff you know you want to get it right and bob dylan his early press conferences he was confrontational he was basically a dick and i thought there was something really inspiring about that. Not that I ever wanted to be like that, but I just thought it was so different than how people are now.
Yeah. Were you, were you.
Right. You're just automatically cordial.
You just assume like. Well, you got to be, man.
A, I am, I'm not a cordial guy. Yeah.
But B, God forbid, you know, you don't want to be, anyway. So, but he's, these early press conferences, you you know if uh if you're tremendously bored and not watching mr b stuff watch the the the early bob dylan san francisco press conferences you know and i just thought so anyway five years working on it i got a better sense on the other side of it oh this is why he would have carried himself like that you know he had some wherewithal i didn't have in his early 20s where somebody said how do you do it he goes basically didn't basically, I didn't want to tell anyone.
You know, me, maybe because whatever, the acting bone.

Somebody says, how do you do it?

And you're so desperate for that pat on your back.

And you go, this is how I did it, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just want to, yeah, because, and you get more experience that you can put into something,

like you were saying earlier about acting, like you can keep doing it for a long time,

you know?

Exactly.

Yeah.

Can we hear any Bob?

Is that a weird thing to ask you, dude? Is that lame? right now i'll try it go for it all right hold on let me try one time hey who is there hold on uh i gotta give it get into it man get at the door? That's not it, dude. That's horrible.
That was pretty good. You got the nasality down.
You got the nasality. That'll make up a word.
You're verbifying things, and that's what Bob Dylan did. Yeah, exactly.
You just made shit up. That was good, man.
He verbified things, didn't he? I don't think... I'm trying to think who your music biopic would be still.
It might have to be... What about Chet Baker? I do chet baker chet baker or um chet hanks even that would be unbelievable that's a that's a glitch in the system yeah it's all everything is yeah everything's a glitch dude john bon jovi it could be anybody chet has a new country album that's going to come out this year too've got to play Chet.
Also, it'd be a great excuse to get shredded. I would just do it for the head.
Just do it for that. They'll set you up with the best trainers.
You've got the HGH. I could do it, man.
I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we want to ask or anything else that you wanted to say, Timothy. Oh, man.
No, just thanks for having me on. I'm trying to think.
I think we kind of covered a lot of new stuff. I think we covered it all, man.
Yeah. I got to water my plants, dude.
I just got home. Wait, did you have a place in LA? Yeah, I still have an apartment.
Oh, you do? Is it here? Over in Westwood. In Westwood.
All right, nice. I love Westwood.
And so, yeah, I get my plants. Diddy Reese? And I forget.
Yeah, I go over there sometimes. I go walk over there and sometimes I would go for that and I would just end up getting a bunch of vapes and just sitting over in my car.
But I, yeah, I would get, I just, sometimes I forget to wash my plant. I forget to water my plants, you know? And then I get home and it's been like a month or something.
Your place is ready to be wife-ified, man. I know.
And I'll always water them. I'll be like, your mother, your mother left us.
I'll yell shit like that. I'll be like, your mother left.
To who? To the plants. I'll just make, I'll like blame it on their like imaginary mother or whatever.
I'll be like, we would have been fine.

She left.

I'm just pouring water on her.

Their punishment is the water?

No, the water is there.

I'm giving them the water, but it would have been watered every day if their mother had left us.

So you're bringing out the resentment on the plants.

She left us.

Who's the mother?

Poison Ivy?

It's just a fictional woman.

It's a fictional woman.