E549 Koe Wetzel

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Speaker 1 Happy holidays to everyone. Today's guest has never been afraid to speak his mind.

Speaker 1 He has been a staple in country music and in Texas lore for many years.

Speaker 1 He's having a great year right now with his new album, Nine Lives. It's country, it's rock, it's grunge.
It's him.

Speaker 1 He's got a new Christmas EP, Wetzel's Wonderland, chapter two, out now.

Speaker 1 And I'm just grateful to spend time today and to catch up with him.

Speaker 1 Today's guest is Mr. Co

Speaker 1 Wetzel.

Speaker 1 would stay and hope just go.

Speaker 1 I shouldn't be allowed to fucking be alive. You ever feel like that?

Speaker 1 You ever feel like that, really, dude? I mean, I should not be allowed

Speaker 1 to be alive, dude. I just

Speaker 3 kind of one of those days.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you ever just burned so many bridges down, you can't even take a step.

Speaker 1 You burn, it's not even bridges, you burn down just regular flooring yeah

Speaker 3 ceiling everything carpet

Speaker 1 i mean i'll just turn a wreck just

Speaker 1 everything's a chimney when i come around someday when i'm like that

Speaker 3 you want those beers mother or honey or anything oh you can have whatever you want yeah i'll uh yeah if you don't mind a couple of those booze

Speaker 1 yeah i'm just damn

Speaker 1 It's just, you know, yeah, everything's fine. It just, when, you know, if I get in a, you know.

Speaker 3 You think it's kind of like with the holidays and shit coming up, too? It doesn't help. Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of little things to do and suddenly a lot of just feeling like a blow responsibilities. And then

Speaker 3 everything kind of adds up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and then if I, yeah, and I start turning, I'll just turn into just a, you know, I get too focused on what I need to get done.

Speaker 1 Sometimes I just got to hit an AA meeting or something or fucking

Speaker 3 drink a damn eight ball, dude.

Speaker 1 Dude, I'm glad they didn't come down with eight ball the

Speaker 1 beverage or whatever.

Speaker 3 I think the Celsius

Speaker 1 I'd have been on them bitches, man.

Speaker 1 Co Wetzel, man, congrats on the new album, dude.

Speaker 3 Thank you, man.

Speaker 1 I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 3 Shit kind of popped off, huh?

Speaker 1 Yeah, well, you've been working so hard.

Speaker 3 People don't think about that. Yeah, everybody, it's the

Speaker 3 overnight success shit. And

Speaker 3 I don't know, they don't see the 10 years, 10 plus years, you know. We've been grinding it out for a while.

Speaker 1 So it's good to play. And all the places you've played, every place they would allow someone to play, really.

Speaker 3 For real, though, man. Like, we would.
I mean, you'll play.

Speaker 3 I've seen, yeah, yeah. Trailers on the back of like semis,

Speaker 3 behind chicken wire.

Speaker 1 Oh, I've seen places where like tomorrow this place is getting fumigated, right?

Speaker 1 They'll already be setting up the tent around it with the bug spray in it.

Speaker 3 And it's like, but tonight, co-west, baby.

Speaker 3 Piglights, right?

Speaker 3 We had, dude, there was this one run that we had.

Speaker 3 It was probably the third year. It's probably 2013, 14.

Speaker 3 And it was like, we were playing VFWs and like firehouses and stuff. Well,

Speaker 3 there was like three places that we played. And within two months, I don't know if it was tax

Speaker 3 reasons or what, but all of them fucking burned down. So

Speaker 3 it was like a thing like, Co Wessel's coming to town, get your extinguishers ready, man. He's about to burn this bitch down, literally.

Speaker 1 Dude, it was almost like that white snake memorial tour, kind of.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's how it was, man. And it was, it was kind of a joke around East Texas, but it was legit.
It was always a VFW or a little cash scrab or something.

Speaker 3 It was kind of a sketchy place, you know, and then you get in there and it's like, did you hear that place burned down last night? I was like, what?

Speaker 1 You're like, what do you, we just left?

Speaker 3 Like, I think we still have some drums in there.

Speaker 1 Bro, you can smell the kerosene as you pull it off down the road.

Speaker 3 They're just in the bags pulling wires and shit. I was electrical fired.

Speaker 3 Oh, bro.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Nothing like a good scam, though.

Speaker 3 I'm telling you. Nothing like a scam.
Get you out of a pinch. You're talking about, yeah, getting your day back to brighter, man.

Speaker 3 Getting a little government money, man.

Speaker 1 Oh, we had a dude who had bought a bunch of,

Speaker 1 he made a bunch of 4th of July t-shirts, right? Okay. And they didn't get in until

Speaker 1 they basically got in like on the night before. They supposed to come in like two weeks early.
And it was a business plan this guy had.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 1 he, so on 4th of July, he's like, I got, I have basically eight or nine hours to peddle these bitches.

Speaker 3 So he got.

Speaker 1 He was out there with a bike with a little wagon. He was pulling like it was supposed to have a child in it or something, but it was just full of these 4th of July shirts.

Speaker 1 And he was out there just slanging him bitches.

Speaker 3 And he only got rid of about maybe 17 of them.

Speaker 1 So he had about maybe 420 shirts left or whatever.

Speaker 3 What did he do with them?

Speaker 1 Here's what he did. He set them on fire.

Speaker 1 He did it near a fireworks display, and he said that some of the fireworks had landed in them.

Speaker 3 Hey, man, that's kind of respect the hustle.

Speaker 3 It was great. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 It was a great idea, man.

Speaker 3 I bet he's got a lot. I bet he had

Speaker 3 a lot of great ideas. I mean, maybe is he still around? What should he get up, bro?

Speaker 1 He's an idea, man. I would say that.
Yeah, absolutely. He's an idea, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, man, you're playing some different venues now. So

Speaker 1 that's kind of changed, huh?

Speaker 3 Has it?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. I mean, we've been doing like arenas for like the last two or three years, but it's just kind of to a bigger scale, I guess.
I mean,

Speaker 3 definitely got newer fans.

Speaker 3 With this record, we kind of tapped into the the mainstream kind of side of it, I guess. You know, we've always been

Speaker 3 independent. And I mean, I guess, you know, coming out of Texas, I mean, you could tour Texas year-round, you know, and and make a damn good living.
And it's pretty much what we've been doing.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 over the last probably five years, you know, we've got out of Texas and got to play these these crazy arenas and stuff. Crazy, look at that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man, it's it's been a while. I mean, we've been blessed.
Fans have just come out of the woodworks, man.

Speaker 3 And it's cool to have people, you know, fuck with fuck with the music, man, fuck with what you're telling them, man. And I don't know.
It's been wild.

Speaker 3 It's kind of, we've been so busy, I haven't had time to step back and actually look at it, you know, and

Speaker 3 kind of see where we're at. But it's, it's wild, man.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of that energy out of Texas where it's just like that, you know, we'll figure it out. And Texas really supports their own a lot.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 You know, it's the same with guys like Parker over the years. And, um,

Speaker 1 I mean, Texas has their own thing. They always have.

Speaker 1 You know, they support their own.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Very, very proud people, man.
And, you know, it's just such a cult following, you know, and we've been blessed to have those cult fan base, that fan base for so long, you know. And

Speaker 1 is there like co-beef between like people,

Speaker 1 you know, like new fans and old fans?

Speaker 3 I mean, if you feel like maybe, maybe a little bit, but I mean, like I said, they're so passionate and they're so, they're so like co-fans that, you know, I think they've, they've responded.

Speaker 3 I was kind of curious as to how they're going to take this new music that we put out. Um, I mean, they came on with it.

Speaker 3 I think they dug it just, you know, because we haven't really veered off from the shit we've been doing our whole, you know, our whole career.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, do you feel weird?

Speaker 1 Do you feel like, is there a part of you that feels like, because I get like, if I have to do something that feels kind of mainstreamy to me sometimes, it makes me fucking angry.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah yeah i don't mean i'm not really just because because like i said earlier you know i'm still doing the same it's just more i guess on a bigger scale kind of more uh

Speaker 3 i don't know um kind of

Speaker 3 expected you know what i mean like to do all these interviews and you know just kind of get your story out there so i mean it used to be you know get up go play music and that was it you know write music uh throw down party with everybody and now it's kind of all right let's take a step back and calm everything everything down a little bit, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah, your TikToks, you guys would be just fucked up out there eating dandelions and shit or just

Speaker 3 adopting animals.

Speaker 1 I mean, you guys are doing a lot for nature and everything out there.

Speaker 3 Everything, man.

Speaker 1 Do you have to slow it down a little bit? Have you had to a little?

Speaker 3 This tour, we definitely did.

Speaker 3 So last year's tour was the El Paso tour, and it was balls to the wall. Like it was, it was insane, bro.
Like, it was too much, honestly.

Speaker 3 I'm surprised nobody died.

Speaker 3 But we had a couple folks go to jail. But other than that, I mean, it was just chaos the whole time.
And then this year with the damn near normal tour,

Speaker 3 they kind of like caged me a little bit. Like, so after every show,

Speaker 3 it was direct to the bus and then a cop escort out. Like they wouldn't let me go out and party and stuff, which was great.

Speaker 3 I mean, the tour was great and stuff, but I felt like they were trying to settle me down a little bit.

Speaker 3 Cause, I mean, like I said, it's just kind of on a bigger scale than anybody kind of expected it to be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got more responsibilities the next day. You got to actually be there.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I felt a whole lot better this tour, and the shows were better, in my opinion. And, but, yeah, I mean, I guess it's you got to grow up sometime, man.

Speaker 1 It sucks, huh?

Speaker 3 It sucks, man. It sucks getting old.

Speaker 1 It sucks having to grow up.

Speaker 3 Grow up, yeah.

Speaker 1 And it's not even getting old. Oh, you can stay young and just be an old dude.
And like, damn, that old dude is.

Speaker 3 It's like the FOMO, though.

Speaker 3 Like, the fear, like, you know, like whenever it's just like you reminisce on all the good times, I was just like damn man that'd be fun to do tonight you know we should do that tonight

Speaker 1 oh yeah it's nothing oh dude going to bed early and laying there and just feeling like just even god knows you're a little bitch

Speaker 1 that's the saddest part dude getting into bed early

Speaker 3 and then you kind of get ready and like

Speaker 3 start to feel a little bit bad you're like ah you know what And then you wake up next morning. I have to feel like whenever you wake up next morning, you're like, no, good on you.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 Fuck you up, man. Oh, yeah.
That's a

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 3 you got a little oomph in your chest.

Speaker 1 Like, hey, hey, man, yeah, a natural oomph, and not just where your heart's just burned out from just running overtime, dude.

Speaker 1 I remember when I first met you, I was like, because I was like, I don't know if I just gotten like re-sober or something at the time. Re-sober is a good word.

Speaker 3 Re-sober, yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 I never heard that word, I never said that word before.

Speaker 1 Re-sober, re-sobered, but I never got, and I remember I met you, and I was like, I got to be careful around that guy because I remember that time.

Speaker 3 That guy was at uh whiskey jam, right?

Speaker 1 Was it whiskey jam remember at winner or losers it might have been with todd with with uh todd graves graves yeah that could have been the super bowl remember was that that uh

Speaker 3 oh god yeah in that suite or something dude i was sober for three weeks going up to him and then bro we're sitting in the suite with todd and like me and dre have been sober or whatever and we're like if we can make it through super bowl weekend dude we are you know we're we're killing it and i'm sitting there and cersei from lord Lord of the Fucking Ring, or not Lord of the Rings, Game of Thrones walks in.

Speaker 3 I'm like, was that Cersei? And they're like, yeah, that's one of the Jonas brothers too. I was like, holy shit, you know, and so.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you got to play that game and be drunk every time you see a Jonas brother.

Speaker 3 I was like, yeah.

Speaker 3 I was like,

Speaker 3 a vodka soda, please.

Speaker 3 And dude, we got, I mean, it was like 11 in the morning. And, you know, you got.
All these actors and musicians. And

Speaker 3 Coach O walks in from LSU. He's like, hey, what's going on, cuz? You're doing all right.
You doing all right, bro? I'm like, yeah, I'm good, man. Like, what do you think about your boy now?

Speaker 3 Oh, he got it. He got it sold up.
He's got it sold up.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's when Burrow was playing the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 I was like, this dude's fucking awesome, you know?

Speaker 1 And this dude's been eating eight balls, too.

Speaker 3 Burro, he's just and just rolling around, man, just having a great time. And so, man, we hammering him all day.
We get to the game, and I mean, it's just like that red carpet.

Speaker 3 People were showing up, coming in. I'm like, dude, I can't handle this shit.
This is too much.

Speaker 3 Yeah, everybody was in there.

Speaker 1 Petey Pablo, I think, was in there.

Speaker 3 Dude, Jack Harlow, French Montana. I mean, it was just one after the other.
And, you know, me being from Small East Texas, I was like, what the fuck? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 That was wild.

Speaker 1 That was crazy. There was a lot of fancy folks in there, too, dude.
I wanted to fucking rob some of those fucking queers or whatever.

Speaker 1 And I don't know, you can't say queers, but except over to me, we didn't say it.

Speaker 1 But yeah, dude. Oh, and I just, yeah, I was like, because I was just trying to, I was just getting back on the grill or whatever.
And I was like, I got to fucking.

Speaker 3 Well, I think, I think one of the times I met you, it was at Whiskey Jam, I think. And we were sitting there, each other.
And we like, yeah,

Speaker 3 fan of each other, whatever. And I remember you were like, there was a step right above me to what Buskadon Bloodline was playing.
And you were like, you trying to go up?

Speaker 3 And I was like, I was like, yeah, let's go. And I was like, you want to go to the bathroom right here? You were like, wait, what?

Speaker 3 I was like, and I had a little in my pocket. I was like, oh, yeah.
Like trying to go. You were like, no, the step to watch.
I was like, oh, oh, shit. And I didn't know you were sober.

Speaker 3 I remember that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was kind of perched up in the back.

Speaker 3 You trying to get up? Yeah. Hell yeah.
Let's go right now. You're like, no.

Speaker 3 Damn, brother.

Speaker 1 Well, look, I appreciate the, hey, I do appreciate the support.

Speaker 3 Yeah, hey, man, I was, my bad, that was, that was on me. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 Dude, I want somebody to fucking want to get me fucked up, dude. I want somebody to just hold me down and just fucking just damn funnel just yay into my brain, homie.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 But those are, you know, that's Christmas wishing, you know.

Speaker 1 Let me talk about your new album. So the new album's nine lives.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 And if you, when have you burned a couple of your lives? Like, was there a night or two over the time? Because I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 We had, let me think of a good night that happened to me one time.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, a guy overdosed or whatever one time and people were doing CPR on him. I'm like, he doesn't need fucking CPR.

Speaker 3 Was anybody?

Speaker 3 Could they even do CPR? I mean, they were just just trying to get them. They were just trying.

Speaker 1 His chest was already doing its own CPR. I'm like, that dude is just geeked out of his gourd, bro.

Speaker 1 You need to hit him with that fucking man. That's Narcaniel Johnson.

Speaker 3 You need to hit him with that. Somebody hit him with an EpiPen.

Speaker 1 Yes, we Narcan, dude. Yeah, somebody hit him with an EpiPen.
Like he had a B sting or something. I'm like, this dude got stung by an eight ball.

Speaker 3 This dude got stung by a reaction for sure.

Speaker 1 This dude got stung by a warm gram, and they're trying to put damn peptobismol in him.

Speaker 3 People are fucking unbelievable hey man people start freaking out like that it gets hairy and and especially if you tore up like that you don't know what the fuck's gonna happen so it's kind of like oh shit oh

Speaker 3 well everybody starts i think i'm gonna have one myself y'all start doing that to me oh dude i see somebody do a narcan i'll hit one yeah

Speaker 3 across the room

Speaker 3 please

Speaker 1 uh do you always feel like you had to party so much where does that come from you think is that just did you grow up partying yeah not real i mean uh I never felt like I had to.

Speaker 3 It was just, man, I like to have a good time. My whole family likes to have a good time, man.

Speaker 3 So it's just kind of, whenever I got, so my parents were pretty strict on me growing up, you know, because they knew the only way I was going to get out of Pittsburgh was to, you know, on a scholarship or whatever.

Speaker 1 And that's Pittsburgh, Texas.

Speaker 3 Pittsburgh, Texas, yeah. And so, like, they were really strict on me.
And so once I got to college, dude, it was like balls to the wall.

Speaker 3 Like, no parents, you know, get to college and just hammer down, man.

Speaker 3 And it just, I don't know, I guess it kind of just snowballed and I don't know I can drink with the best best of them and I don't know it's great it's a great time man and I've slowed down a whole lot

Speaker 3 you know this past couple years but I still I still like get out there and and act up a little bit yeah

Speaker 1 yeah wow I can't believe that's you slowed down it's great though I was all I was envious of people that could party man because I couldn't do it I'd get a little too rattled and I'd just start fucking chewing on the fucking walls and shit you know I'd just start fucking farming copper out of my own house, dude.

Speaker 1 You know, I get

Speaker 1 I couldn't handle it, dude. I'd call the cops on myself a bunch of times.

Speaker 3 That's fucked up.

Speaker 3 That's partying, though. I mean, that's, that's hardcore shit.

Speaker 3 Hey, that's some partying.

Speaker 3 I don't think I've ever called the cops on myself before. That's wild.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, dude. I'll call them bitches, huh?

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, I call the cops for anything, dude. I see, yeah.

Speaker 1 I remember I was at a UFC fight one night, and the guys were beating each other so bad, and I fucking called the cops right there from T-Mobile Arena.

Speaker 1 It was Dustin Poirier and Max Holloway were beating the shit out of each other.

Speaker 3 I said, Y'all got to get down here and quick.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I said, Y'all got a male-on-mail domestic down here. Oh, my God, bro.
That's what I said. I said, These guys are fighting over jewelry down here because I think winner got the belt.

Speaker 3 Oh, really?

Speaker 1 So I was like, You got a male-on-mail domestic down here, but you guys, you guys need to send somewhere. You need to figure this shit out quick.

Speaker 3 Dana, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 Yeah, why the title nine lives, man?

Speaker 3 Oh, man, it was kind of so. The record was kind of like us kind of doing a new

Speaker 3 music that we're not known for. You know, usually it's the party music, the crazy rock stuff.

Speaker 3 So this was just kind of the past, the other lives that I could have lived had I not been a musician, you know, or traveled down this road. So

Speaker 3 it's kind of just like a reflection on that. And I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 It's kind of one of those things.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and I read that you wrote it pretty quick, like when it finally hit you.

Speaker 3 Most of the songs came really quick, man.

Speaker 3 Like gabe simon he always say it was like my first therapy session you know damn yeah yeah yeah cool dude uh but he like he like dug into my life like into my soul and was like bringing out shit that i'd normally never tell like a

Speaker 3 stranger you know and he just dug into it man and and it helped write the songs really fast honestly so no Yeah, I don't know, man. The songs came out great.
You know, it was one of the more

Speaker 3 vulnerable songs to me for sure. Yeah, for sure.
no I mean it was just like it was more raw and real than I feel like I'd ever been

Speaker 3 playing music so so yeah it was kind of like kind of turning a new page on you know not leaving the party behind but just kind of me kind of growing up type shit damn fuck dude all right

Speaker 3 it sucks

Speaker 3 all the good ones grow up I know you're gonna see me you're gonna see me in the uh the jail log tomorrow

Speaker 3 I go to the red door or something like that yeah

Speaker 3 yeah yeah long as yeah

Speaker 3 oh man man

Speaker 1 yeah dude a lot of the all the good ones grow up man

Speaker 1 yeah they've had that term um

Speaker 1 yeah because there's so there's like um i mean i love jesse murph yeah i've been a jesse murph fan since

Speaker 1 before i should admit as an adult male and i was like

Speaker 3 very strange to tell people that you were a fan um well she's got the soul of like a 50 year old i feel like or 60 year old 80.

Speaker 3 it's insane i remember whenever I first heard her, I was like, wait, how old is it? And this, she was probably

Speaker 3 17, 18. And I was like, wait, what? And she's such a baller, man.
Like, she walks in the room, and it's just like her presence is so huge.

Speaker 3 And she's just, and she's just this little bitty thing, dude, you know? But amazing, amazing artist.

Speaker 1 She's a fucking grenade. Dude.

Speaker 3 She's insane.

Speaker 1 And she's got that look in her eyes like she's just seen it all a million times.

Speaker 3 Sure. That's what I'm saying.
She's like reincarnated, bro. She's like,

Speaker 3 yeah, she got it.

Speaker 1 She got it going on. Yeah, she might be a refurb or whatever they call it, you know?

Speaker 3 Yeah, hell yeah. God.

Speaker 1 Oh, God. Y'all are beautiful.
And I mean, and I mean both of you, too. I do want to say it like that.
No, she's so talented, man. That song gets stuck in my head, too, man.

Speaker 1 That high road gets stuck in my head.

Speaker 1 I'll just be doing nothing or doing something and it'll come out.

Speaker 3 I remember where we at? It was getting... I'm getting the Ivy.
I'm hungo as shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. So you guys.

Speaker 3 And I'm just like, I was kind of watching the football game and I hear you coming coming down singing high road. I was like, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 Oh man.

Speaker 3 And it was like,

Speaker 3 what were we doing? What was the stuff?

Speaker 3 Huh?

Speaker 1 The NAD. NAD.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Remember, we were talking about it.
You were like doing however many milligrams. Oh, yeah.
And I was doing like 75 or 100, and I'm over there about to die.

Speaker 3 I just hear you coming down singing high road. And I'm like, God, shut up, please.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. It's just wild when you get one that gets stuck in your head.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. You wake up singing it and you can't get it.
Yeah, it's just all day deal. Yeah.
Yeah, man.

Speaker 1 It's wild, man.

Speaker 1 What have I been watching? I was watching that John Benet Rams. Do you see that stuff?

Speaker 3 I hadn't seen it. Is it on Netflix? Yeah.
I saw it. I haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 rehab dashing, whatever happened in the past, you know? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is it kind of like who did it? Are they still on that?

Speaker 1 Yeah, the dad, though, will now be interviewed. The dad is in it.

Speaker 3 Okay. Oh, no, shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 And the dad,

Speaker 1 I think that the dad this is just a thought a belief of mine i believe that the dad had had some kind of inappropriate

Speaker 1 attraction to the child maybe i don't know if i can legally say that or not it's just my belief and the mother had been envious of that the mother

Speaker 1 um unalive you have to say unalive now oh really unalive to the child unalive you can't you can't say the other stuff yeah they'll take us down really the mother unalive the child and then they together figured out

Speaker 3 the story, right?

Speaker 1 And neither one of them could rat the other one out because they both had some

Speaker 1 connection. I think he'd been appropriate.
The mother got envious, put the daughter, it was in all these pageants, all this weird stuff.

Speaker 1 The mother did it on purpose at her accident, and then they both had to help each other cover it up.

Speaker 3 Did she, was she ever, she never served Ty or anything, did she? What?

Speaker 3 The mom?

Speaker 1 She never served time. No, she ended up passing away of cancer, I believe.
I don't know shit.

Speaker 1 I don't think I'm thinking of the same. There's another one.
Maybe Casey Anthony.

Speaker 3 Casey Anthony. She lives here.

Speaker 3 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 1 Where does Casey Anthony live? You got to get her out to a show, dude.

Speaker 3 I don't know about that one, bro. Jesus.
But she, she did, did she serve time?

Speaker 1 I don't know. Let me see.
Casey, where's Casey Anthony now?

Speaker 1 That's a great question.

Speaker 3 No way. She's just in Nashville on Broadway every night.
Just

Speaker 3 geez.

Speaker 1 Leave them Broadway girls alone.

Speaker 3 That's what she's saying, which is a little morose for her to sing.

Speaker 1 Where does it say she lived? Do you see anything on that? Move to Murphy'sborough, Tennessee.

Speaker 3 Where the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 I mean, it sounds like it's close.

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's got to be close. Wow.

Speaker 3 Man.

Speaker 1 Did they have any good big criminals in y'all's town?

Speaker 1 Any big crime going up over there in Pittsburgh, Texas?

Speaker 3 They said the Texas Chainsaw Massacre came through town, but you know who knows yeah that could have just been all yeah i mean he could have been going through it could have been a guy just repairing two-stroke motors too

Speaker 3 he's still living in pittsburgh bro

Speaker 3 honestly honestly he probably is i think i know who it is too uh no they said uh bonnie and clyde came through uh

Speaker 3 and one of the sheriffs there i mean pittsburgh was i mean it's still it's only like 4 000 people but they said they called them ahead of time or let them know somehow via pigeon or some shit.

Speaker 3 And they were like, Hey, get the fuck out. We're coming through.
If you want to, if you want to live, just get out of our way.

Speaker 1 Bunny and Clyde were coming?

Speaker 3 Yeah, and they rolled through, and then nobody gave them shit.

Speaker 3 Because they hit out in, or they're from Dallas, I think, or somewhere.

Speaker 1 Where's Bunny and Clyde from? Let's get a look at them. Pretty sure.

Speaker 3 Oak Cliff, South Oak Cliff.

Speaker 1 Hey, Bonnie was the looker, I think.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she was a smoke.

Speaker 1 Let's see it. Let's get a look at him.

Speaker 1 Get a look at him. Let's see images there.

Speaker 3 Bonnie and Clyde.

Speaker 3 Oh, did you watch that one with Emil Hirsch? Uh-oh, is it good? Oh, dude. Yeah, it's like a three-part series.

Speaker 1 Ooh, I got to watch it. Oh, bro.

Speaker 3 It's so good. Ooh, yeah, Bonnie.
Back in the day, dude. You bet.

Speaker 1 Bro, if she looks good even in that picture.

Speaker 3 I think Cloudwood. Cloudwood, he was a little bitty dude, too.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. Oh, there they are.

Speaker 3 Imagine taking those pictures back in the day, dude. Like, hey, I'm going to hold this to you.
Get over there with the photo, like the picture. Yeah, and

Speaker 1 it's smoke comes out of it. It must have felt like Satan was doing it.

Speaker 3 It like goes off and like pull the trigger. Yeah, they fucked him up.

Speaker 3 Look at that.

Speaker 3 That was in

Speaker 3 Ambassador. Benville Parish, I think.

Speaker 1 On the Louisiana highway, and they still have that car. Where was that at?

Speaker 3 I think it was in Bienville Parish. Oh, yeah, it sounds about.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it is a parish over there. It's been 90 years since a posse of lawmen caught up with the outlaw couple, Bonnie and Clyde.

Speaker 1 They were ambushed and killed on a North Louisiana road, but their story is still very much alive. In Gibbsland, Louisiana

Speaker 1 is where it occurred occurred at Bonnie and Clyde. What kind of pieces of history from Bonnie and Clyde?

Speaker 1 What was their biggest heist? What was Bonnie and Clyde's biggest heist, I wonder?

Speaker 3 Where are you from, Louisiana?

Speaker 1 I'm from Covington, Louisiana. We didn't have anything.
Covington.

Speaker 1 Lee Harvey Oswald went to our middle school. That was our big thing.
Damn.

Speaker 3 That's pretty big.

Speaker 1 The gang robbed the first national bank in Stewart, Iowa in 1934.

Speaker 1 They did some kidnapping.

Speaker 3 Kidnapping? I didn't know that.

Speaker 1 But it says kidnapping of a man and woman.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's not kidnapping.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's just...

Speaker 3 Just napping.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, just making friends, dude.

Speaker 1 And some car theft. Damn, they weren't even as bad as some of the

Speaker 1 these Travis Scott fans, I feel like.

Speaker 3 You need to

Speaker 3 watch that. It's like a three-part series.

Speaker 3 If you like Emil Hirsch, I love Emil Hirsch. Oh, yeah.
He said,

Speaker 3 it's great, man. But they kind of went through their whole,

Speaker 3 apparently it was pretty spot on from everything.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that'd be, I wonder if I could do a good crime. Dude,

Speaker 3 do you like

Speaker 3 the history, like the gangsters and stuff, like Dillinger and all that shit? Yeah.

Speaker 3 That's up my alley, man. Babyface, Pretty Boy Floyd, and all that.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. Remember, well, they used to have that.
What was that movie that had all those guys in it?

Speaker 3 Public Enemy. Yeah.
Yeah. That was good.

Speaker 3 A lot of good actors.

Speaker 1 Dude, yeah, I wonder if I could be a good criminal or not. What kind of crime I would do?

Speaker 1 I wouldn't do kidnapping because I don't want some dumb fucking kid around me.

Speaker 3 Yeah, no, that's that'd be annoying as fuck.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you're like, and you have to, what? Then you're like, and also you're going to get caught. You're going to have to go to McDonald's all the time or whatever.

Speaker 3 That's bad rap. Yeah, we don't, yeah, no kids.
Oh.

Speaker 1 So, yeah, I would do something with adults, probably.

Speaker 1 What's a good crime? Train robbing would be sick.

Speaker 3 I think about that all the time, like back in the gap, like cowboy days, just pulling up on that thing, just throwing up a dynamite in there and throwing it up.

Speaker 1 And there's some rich guy just eating in the window or whatever.

Speaker 3 What the fuck's going on over there?

Speaker 1 Pop one off into him, just shoot right through his Salisbury steak or something.

Speaker 1 Next thing you know, you're in there. But then you get in there and you have to look for the money.
That's got to be the worst.

Speaker 3 Somebody tell us what the fuck it is. No, that's like a gunslinger back in the day, man.

Speaker 1 That'd be so sick. I know.
It'd be so wild. I was just reading about a lot of hookers and stuff that were on the

Speaker 1 like, whenever they had Gold Rush and stuff like that. Like, a lot of hookers started up some big Maddoming and stuff out there when those Gold Rush days.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's the way. And it was pretty wild.
And they would, you know, they get other women to work for them and stuff like that. It's just kind of fascinating to learn about.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I wonder if I could do a good, oh, you know, it would be a good crime, I think, get a hot air balloon, drop in that way. Nobody sees that shit coming.

Speaker 3 No, absolutely. Like, first, be like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they, I don't know, know, with drones and shit, probably you couldn't get away with that. I mean, they'd be back in the gap, yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, but yeah, drones, yeah. I wonder if we'll be able to travel by drone.
They have that stuff now where you can kind of.

Speaker 3 I saw one the other day. It's like somebody sits in it and it's got the blade and stuff.
Don't look too safe, though.

Speaker 3 Like, how many beers do I need before I get in this thing?

Speaker 1 Especially if your buddy gets a hold of that remote for 30 seconds, dude. He's taking you right into some power lines, dude.

Speaker 3 He's done some fucked up shit to me. Let me see it, bro.
Like, you would have done the same for me, buddy.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And if you're, especially if you're wearing like a Vols jersey or something, he just takes you around.
He takes you into Athens, Georgia.

Speaker 3 That's what I'm talking about. Yes.
See, that shit don't look safe.

Speaker 1 Oh, hell no. That looks like something Kid Rock would buy.

Speaker 3 Kid Rock has one right now, bro.

Speaker 3 We hear it. We just think runs up.

Speaker 1 That thing runs on probably diesel or something, kerosene.

Speaker 1 Or just runs on some of Kid Rock's bad music, too.

Speaker 3 That's what it is.

Speaker 3 Kid Rock, dude.

Speaker 1 Every time you play ball with a ball, it fucking takes off.

Speaker 1 I'm joking, Bob.

Speaker 3 I'm joking, dude. Oh, Bob, man.

Speaker 1 He loves to have a good time, man.

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See site for details. You ever had to cancel a show out there on tour?

Speaker 3 Anything ever happened to you?

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I don't like to do it, man.

Speaker 3 We haven't done it a whole lot. I think we didn't have to cancel any on this tour.

Speaker 3 It was a festival. Oh,

Speaker 3 yeah, festival I got sick for. And then whenever the hurricane came through, we had to cancel show that we had to reschedule.
But last year during the Hel Paso tour, man, like I said, it was crazy.

Speaker 3 I would just get, you know, the whiskey and everything. I give up whiskey, by the way, this year.
I stopped drinking whiskey. Switched it tequila.
But,

Speaker 3 you know, last year at the Hel Paso, dude, I was just, I get to a point where I couldn't talk, you know, and I would just be giving it everything just to say a sentence or whatever.

Speaker 3 And we had to cancel a couple, and that, that sucked. So after that, dude, I was like, no more, you know, so shut that whiskey down, dude.
As much as I love it, it's just, man, it's rough on you, man.

Speaker 3 And like, you know, I can drink tequila and not feel half as bad as

Speaker 3 whiskey.

Speaker 1 Well, your legs don't work as good in your neck.

Speaker 3 Hey, dude, yeah, you get that, that 15-gallon head, bro. Somebody starts swaying back and forth.
And like, I'll be like a cat.

Speaker 3 Like, I'll hit the ground and bounce up really quick and think that nobody noticed, but I'm so big and just shake shit off the wall and be like, what the fuck is up with this guy?

Speaker 1 Like Chris Farley just landing on a table.

Speaker 1 That's nine lives.

Speaker 3 That's me, bro. Wild, dude.

Speaker 1 Oh, they kicked you out. I remember that one, actually, dude.

Speaker 3 I remember that. Oh, yeah, when they kicked me out.

Speaker 1 That's fun, bro. Yeah, your whole journey.
So you guys do such a good job of sharing your journey, honestly, like on social media, dude.

Speaker 1 I feel like you guys are just really earnest about everything that that happens in y'all's world.

Speaker 1 You know, a lot of people don't really operate that way. You know, you guys are just really,

Speaker 1 I think, clear to your fans and stuff. Do you feel like,

Speaker 1 and that I think that alone kind of keeps you away from being like a mainstream thing, you know, because you don't have a PR guy telling you this or telling you that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. And it's like, and with the fans, too, it's not like if I were to do something, it's kind of like, they're not going to be shocked by it.

Speaker 3 You know, they're like, oh, you know, fucko for doing that.

Speaker 3 You know, it's, I mean, it's kind of been our thing from the get-go is kind of be ourselves, you know, like we're not going to change for anybody. We're not going to act like somebody that we're not.

Speaker 3 So I think that's kind of been it. And, you know, people have kind of embraced us for doing that.
And that's kind of like, you know, puts us apart from other people, you know, I think. Oh, yeah.
So,

Speaker 3 yeah, I don't know. I mean, some of it maybe wouldn't.

Speaker 3 would rather it not be out there, but you know,

Speaker 3 it's just life, man.

Speaker 1 He is the realness.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man, for sure.

Speaker 1 And it makes it, it really makes it you. It's like, that is him.
It's like, that is his world. And it's really the world that most people can relate to.

Speaker 1 Who can relate to some type of perfect, polished fucking

Speaker 3 excitement a little bit, you know? It's got to be a little bit of excitement, a little bit of spice.

Speaker 1 Somebody's got to go missing.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? Somebody's got to go to jail. We've got to figure out where this dude is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you guys have always kind of been in like and kind of put in this outlaw country type of place, you know?

Speaker 1 Do you feel like there's still a lot of outlaws in the business? Do you feel like it's growing? Do you feel like it's changing? What do you think?

Speaker 3 Who are the outlaws?

Speaker 1 Who were your outlaws at first?

Speaker 3 Man. Yeah, I think there's some outlaws out there for sure.

Speaker 3 Maybe not, maybe not that are as,

Speaker 3 you know, like maybe as big, I would say. But there's definitely some dogs out there.

Speaker 3 Man, I don't know.

Speaker 3 Kind of hard to,

Speaker 3 I don't know. Who you just say is a dog out there, man?

Speaker 3 Paul Cauleton. Paul Cauleton is about as close to...
Do you know who Paul Cauldton is?

Speaker 1 I've heard of him.

Speaker 3 He's about as close to outlaw as a get, man.

Speaker 3 He doesn't give a fuck. Dude, he's my dog, yeah.

Speaker 3 He's a beast, man. His music's great.

Speaker 3 I mean, he lives what he writes, man.

Speaker 3 He's definitely an outlaw right now, man. Gang.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd like to get to meet that man.

Speaker 3 Dude,

Speaker 3 you've got to have him on, man.

Speaker 3 He is his own person. And dude, he's a legend.

Speaker 1 He's one-on-one, huh?

Speaker 3 Absolutely, man. East Texas legend for sure.

Speaker 1 I think there's a lot of guys that still, I mean, in a weird way,

Speaker 1 a lot of people kind of do it their own way now because they make their own road. Yeah, like with social media, especially in just filming your own content or behind the scenes or whatever,

Speaker 1 you make your own shit now. It's not like you.
need to have some big producer help you do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 Like I've said before, like, I don't think the word outlaw is what it used to be you know like i think it's it's kind of doing what you're talking about just going out and doing everything your own way you know paving your own road and just kind of being a trailblazer pretty much you know i think that's i can go into be considered as being an outlaw um because it's not it's not the 80s anymore you know we can't get a you can't get away with a whole lot of these 80s man everybody's a narc dude man dude remember when they had fucking narcs and shit dude dude first of all the shittiest job you could get in high school was being a fucking fucking narc dude i swear bro they gave you a little card it was like congratulations thank you

Speaker 3 yeah yeah

Speaker 1 and sent it on the car and i was like that's the one thing you can't put on the car dude and then that dude would like he would try to arrest people at a party or something people would beat the shit away from me school's out bitch

Speaker 1 And then it would take the cops like three weeks to have a meeting with the kid or whatever. And it just the whole system.

Speaker 3 Oh, man.

Speaker 3 That's why. Yeah.
I wish

Speaker 3 you go back, you think about like the Motley Crew days, like 80s, bro.

Speaker 3 Did you didn't, did you live to the 80s?

Speaker 1 I was alive in them, but yeah, I was small.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, you were younger.

Speaker 1 But yeah, I mean, you talk to guys like,

Speaker 1 like, I remember my first concert ever went to was Maryland Manson, right?

Speaker 1 And this dude took us and, yeah, and he was like a, um, I guess he was like a pedophile or whatever. We didn't know he was, right?

Speaker 1 So he was just a guy we knew who was also a pedophile, but we we didn't know that part but anyway he took us over he's like i can get y'all tickets to marilyn man we just started listening to him dude and i think we're probably about 14

Speaker 3 and this dude um

Speaker 1 dropped us off there and we were the only people underage that were in there like they i think it was like it was probably an 18 show

Speaker 1 and like man like cut open twiggy ramire's or like one of his uh one of the other band members with a bottle somebody cut one of the band members cut themselves open or cut another one open with a a bottle on stage.

Speaker 1 He was like bleeding everywhere. The ambulance had to come.
I bet y'all were like, holy shit. It was awesome.
Dude, we're in the bathroom peeing, and somebody goes, What are these kids doing in here?

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 And then somebody else from another stall goes, don't worry, somebody will fit.

Speaker 1 That's what somebody said, dude.

Speaker 3 Bro, the first red flag should have been this dude just getting y'all Maryland Manson tickets, being like,

Speaker 3 oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Richard Slangenstein.

Speaker 1 Did he go in with y'all no no no no he went to gamble

Speaker 1 pull him up richard uh langenstein pull him up and he was just a real oh he's a known pedophile oh yeah yeah he was he was uh he won he hadn't won awards or whatever but he was um

Speaker 3 he was in the trenches or whatever is that him

Speaker 3 no maybe there's more than one of him

Speaker 1 that guy up there with the uh the father up there we can't show the wrong one that guy

Speaker 3 um oh

Speaker 3 Yeah, that looks like it.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's a. Yeah, that's a liberal.
Oh,

Speaker 3 that's all that is, dude.

Speaker 3 Theo?

Speaker 3 That guy's a bookie. Hold on.

Speaker 1 That one guy's a bookie. Go back.
Yeah, that guy's just a bookie. Up one? No, right? Right there.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That guy's just taking wagers on the jets, dude.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 I'm going to have to take some of this out because we just accuse a lot of guys of being medopolist. But no, old Slangenstein.
He wasn't that. He was what he was.

Speaker 3 Slangenstein.

Speaker 1 That's what they called him.

Speaker 1 But yeah, that was my first show. What was yours, man?

Speaker 3 First show.

Speaker 1 Do you really remember?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, so my mom played.

Speaker 3 She do like old Opry houses and stuff like that. She was a singer? Yeah,

Speaker 3 she sang and just play with like a bunch of old drunk honky-tonk dudes, right? I'd be that little shithead kid, like running up and down the halls, throwing popcorn at people.

Speaker 3 And yeah, so I mean, I was, I was around music growing up, but I think my first actual concert was Stony LaRue. You ever heard of Stony LaRue? Bring him up.
He's a

Speaker 3 man or woman. Dude,

Speaker 3 he's like a, he's a red dirt king, man, Oklahoma cat.

Speaker 3 There he is. Wow.
And you need to get into his music, man. He's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 And it was at the Waco Fairgrounds. My cousins were going to Baylor.

Speaker 3 I think I was like...

Speaker 3 sixth or seventh grade maybe and

Speaker 3 these college girls come up to me like hey what's going on you know and my cousin, her friend steps in. She's like, hey, babe, here's your beer.
And like, just trying to deter them or whatever.

Speaker 3 And I take this beer and I hammer it. And they're like, all right, whatever.
She's like, what the fuck are you doing? You weren't supposed to drink that beer.

Speaker 3 I'm like, so we get back to the hotel that night. My mom beats my ass.
It's all good. Oh, yeah.
But I'll never forget it. Yeah.
Texas Moon.

Speaker 1 Stony LaRue.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 is he still alive?

Speaker 1 Oh, good.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 he's got some bangers.

Speaker 1 It warms my heart, dude. I just saw Struggle Jennings play.
We were playing in the same town. Oh, really?

Speaker 3 Pretty cool.

Speaker 3 I hadn't met Troll yet.

Speaker 1 Him, and yeah, because he was in the Jelly Roll

Speaker 1 fans and Yellow Wolf. That whole gang, remember, that was really that white

Speaker 1 sort of,

Speaker 1 yeah, that Slimerican, that sort of fucking missing person.

Speaker 3 I like Wolf, man.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 All of that Yellow Wolf.

Speaker 3 That fish jelly loom, bro.

Speaker 3 I used to listen to Pop the Trunk before football games, man.

Speaker 1 And just like, oh, I don't know if there is a better anthem, dude.

Speaker 3 Dude, it's so good.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. They even had Jelly Roll out there, Yellow Wolf.
We even saw Jelly Wolf was out there. We're like, who the fuck is that? It's just some

Speaker 3 dude in ICP, man. Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 It's just a

Speaker 1 it was Jelly Wolf. Yeah, it was just it was a St.
Bernard with a couple face tattoos on him.

Speaker 3 Oh, man, driving a cyber truck, bro.

Speaker 1 But we saw Struggle Man. It was awesome to go see him.
He puts on a great show. Where was it? I think, I feel like it was in Montana, somewhere.
But we got to go meet him backstage after

Speaker 1 with his crew. He's got a great group.
See, who's performing with him real quick? Who's out there on the road?

Speaker 3 I mean, that's another ally right there. I mean,

Speaker 1 with Struggle Jennings. Yeah, he's been out there doing it, man.

Speaker 1 He's been out there doing it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and you know, there's something also, there's something nice about

Speaker 1 when you have a,

Speaker 1 when you're not as mainstream,

Speaker 1 that there's a real relationship between you and your fans.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Caitlin Curtis and Brianna Harness are Brianna Harness.

Speaker 1 I don't know if that's the newest tour or not.

Speaker 3 Is that Tom McDonald?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, it might be.

Speaker 3 Is that he's a rapper? They had a song together, I think. Yeah, he's cold.

Speaker 1 Oh, Tommy Vex, dude?

Speaker 3 It's Tommy Vex.

Speaker 1 Wow, bro, that's crazy. I know him.

Speaker 3 I know him. That's just crazy.

Speaker 1 Well, sometimes you just, it's amazing who you see on Google of who you know.

Speaker 3 Rock music.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's a rock dog right there.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's something nice about when something is still grassroots. Yeah, for sure.
That you feel this weird thing.

Speaker 1 It's like your thing.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I feel like it gives the fans

Speaker 3 more of a connection, you know, like

Speaker 3 he's one of us, you know, like type shit.

Speaker 1 You go see him, and then you're like, man,

Speaker 1 he's one of us, dude.

Speaker 3 He's the same.

Speaker 3 We got one of us. We accept you one of us.

Speaker 1 What is that?

Speaker 3 The Wolf of Wall Street when they're sitting there. You never see that? I've seen it.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what he's in a wheelchair? What is what happened?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 I think that's when I was talking about the little people strapping them to the board. Oh, yeah.
And sliding them down at the prison.

Speaker 3 When was that would have been early 90s, late 80s? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude,

Speaker 1 if I was back then, I would have definitely been doing, I'm not going to say it out loud. I'll spell it real quick in case there's any kids listening in the cars anywhere.
M-U-R-D-E-R-S.

Speaker 1 And that's when I would have been doing.

Speaker 1 But now they catch you. You can't even do no good crime anymore.

Speaker 1 That's the thing. We've taken a lot of fun out of it.
You can't be a train robber.

Speaker 3 can't the horse will ratch out man it's like it's like and it's only for like a little bit like five years at a time ten years at a time until it blows up and it's like ah man you missed that you know

Speaker 3 like what do you mean i mean just like like train robbing or like robbing shit or whatever or you know partying really hard in the 80s and then just slowing down and people part i just i wonder who partied the hard we had tommy lee on one time he's a fucking greatest dude oh i'm a big molly crew guy so bro they were so good girls girls girls.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. Girls, girls, girls.

Speaker 1 God, dude. I can't even imagine.

Speaker 3 And he was good looking. Yeah.
That was the deal. Like,

Speaker 3 they had everything, bro.

Speaker 1 Imagine being famous and then also being good looking.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 what a lucky guy.

Speaker 3 You know what I'm saying? I think Tommy was, he was really young, too, right? Whenever all that was going on. Yeah, imagine having

Speaker 3 all that going on at 21, 20, bro. I wouldn't be alive.
I would not be alive. There's no way.

Speaker 1 I wouldn't be alive. Like Columbia, people from Columbia or whatever, the ambassador, they're always sending me these, come down to Columbia.
We'd love to have you down here, I guess.

Speaker 3 Y'all don't want me there.

Speaker 1 I'm like, dude, they're like, we'll give you five free tickets to Columbia.

Speaker 3 I'm like, dude, I will fucking.

Speaker 3 If they do, holler at me. I'll go with you.
I will die down there, bro. I'm fucking going to Columbia.

Speaker 3 They said it's actually really nice to go to. I'm sure it is.

Speaker 1 But I think it's, yeah, I just think they want to do ransoms or whatever. That's the thing.
So they try to get you down there.

Speaker 3 Fuck that.

Speaker 1 And they want to do ransoms.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I would not make it down there. Oh, dude, if I even grew up in Columbia, I would get an eight-ball for like my seventh birthday.

Speaker 3 I would walk in

Speaker 1 and it would be lights out, bro.

Speaker 3 We're mainlining this shit. Oh,

Speaker 1 what's the town in Texas? We got some shows coming up in Texas. We're going to Benton.

Speaker 3 Benton, Texas? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We're going to Texas AM over there.

Speaker 1 Nice.

Speaker 3 We're at in College Station? Not sure.

Speaker 1 There's a new casino in Benton.

Speaker 3 Oh, no, shit. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is it? Oh, Belton. Sorry.

Speaker 3 Belton, yeah, yeah. Belton.

Speaker 1 They keep changing the name of it.

Speaker 3 Belton's out there by Waco.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going over to Belton.

Speaker 3 Waco is where, so when Parker was on, he told you the story about that strip club or whatever we went to. And yeah, that's right outside of Waco.
Is it a good spot?

Speaker 3 No, it's the shittiest strip club in the world.

Speaker 1 Is that the best one you've ever been to, you think?

Speaker 3 Strip club? Yeah, absolutely not. No,

Speaker 3 but it needed, it needed to be redecorated, I guess. And so, dude, I just, I gave it to him.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 who the fuck is even decorating those strip clubs? There were just mirrors everywhere. And I was like, man, fuck one of these mirrors, bro.

Speaker 3 Dude,

Speaker 3 I found the pictures

Speaker 3 that he was talking about, like us kicking holes in the drywall and shit. And so somebody had found them and sent them to me.
And I was like, oh, fuck, man.

Speaker 3 And it's just kind of like passed out next to them, chalk, like drywall everywhere.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 1 We have some good times. I've been to some, I'm trying to think of one.
Oh, in Shreport, Louisiana, that is trip club. And they had a woman in there just built like a damn centaur or whatever.

Speaker 3 Is that the one or Minotaur?

Speaker 1 Pull up Cinotaur or Minotaur.

Speaker 1 One of them's on Test 200, I think. I don't remember which one it is, but one of them.

Speaker 1 which one is that?

Speaker 1 Centaur, yeah. Centaur.
This lady was centaur up. She was definitely

Speaker 3 What is it's probably Larry Flint san if it was in Shreveport?

Speaker 3 Larry Flint was pretty good.

Speaker 1 This was not that good. This was

Speaker 3 This

Speaker 1 lady looked like a damn off-duty pony.

Speaker 3 She just

Speaker 3 like a Monday night.

Speaker 1 Oh, bro. And she was on the tallest heels ever.
She was trying to make herself look taller.

Speaker 3 I think she was.

Speaker 1 Them heels, bro, them bitches were. I mean,

Speaker 1 if you took, they had the little sticker on them with like they say on the top of a ladder, do not step right here.

Speaker 3 That was all them bitches, dude. Oh, man.

Speaker 1 She was in them. God.

Speaker 3 It was so nerve-wracking to see her up there. You spend a lot of time.
Yeah, Louisiana.

Speaker 1 Over the years, I have. I used to go to comedy clubs there.
You know what's kind of sad is you go to clubs and over the years they close down. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Is that the same with music? yeah, I mean, kind of the same. I mean, there's like

Speaker 3 businesses really don't last a whole lot long, like a long time over there for some reason. I don't know why.

Speaker 3 I mean, it's kind of everywhere in Louisiana, East Texas, like, you know, unless they're established or a big chain, they just, they don't last for some reason. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 That's a good point, man. Yeah, I always wanted to go to Longview.
I never got there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, see, that's every time we went to like the mall and somewhere nice to eat or whatever, we'd have to go to Longview to go. So

Speaker 3 I grew up. How far did you grow up from Streetport?

Speaker 1 Like four hours. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 So you're like middle then.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'm a little. I'm like, I'm north of New Orleans, about one hour.
Okay.

Speaker 3 So our town.

Speaker 1 About 4,000, about the same time, same size as your town. Yeah.
Kind of a perfect size for a town, bro. I love it.
Dude, there was nothing better, dude. Because you were just,

Speaker 1 there was like two, there was enough.

Speaker 1 There was just enough people to make things interesting.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Like you knew everybody, but the select few you didn't know.
You kind of made up your own stories. It's kind of like, kind of mysterious.
Like, I wonder what they do.

Speaker 3 Why don't they come to church? Yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. We had a dude that had a, they bought him a bike and he was, he might have been mentally disabled or something, but he might not have been, right?

Speaker 1 We don't know him.

Speaker 1 And, but his bike had a baby seat on the back of it. So there was this story that like he had a kid that had like gone missing or whatever.
And he would always riding around.

Speaker 1 It was like a sad man whose wife had left him after the baby had been missing or whatever.

Speaker 1 And that's what people thought for years. And it was like people would like pray for him when he drove by or whatever

Speaker 1 or give him milk, money, all kinds of shit, leave pies in his yard and stuff.

Speaker 1 And then years later, we found out he's just a mentally handicapped guy, and somebody gotten him a used bike that had a baby seat on it off the side.

Speaker 3 He just didn't know how to take it off. Yeah.

Speaker 3 And we were like,

Speaker 3 we fucking gave that dude a lot of dessert.

Speaker 3 We gave him a lot of dessert.

Speaker 3 The prayers were used, though, you know, the prayer. That was good, man.

Speaker 1 But it was so sad. He would always be like in the distance, like looking at us.
Like when we got off the school bus.

Speaker 3 I think he just wanted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think he just wanted.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think he just wanted buddies, you know?

Speaker 3 Oh, man, dude.

Speaker 1 That's good. But it's so crazy.
Just because of that story, we didn't know. We thought he was this sad.

Speaker 3 So you come up with all these different, you know, scenarios and stories and shit. And then it's kind of like, it just becomes like a big fable.
Like, it's like, yeah.

Speaker 1 Oh, man. But you have a town that's just big enough to support that kind of, where there's like just enough room for rumors to happen.

Speaker 3 Oh, 100%. You can't get like the gossip, all of the drama, all that shit like that.

Speaker 1 And I remember when I was a kid, you would hear like an older kid's name, like he was like two years older, three or four years older, and you were like, oh, that's the toughest guy in the whole world.

Speaker 3 Yeah, don't mess with him, dude. Yeah.
He's so cool.

Speaker 1 That was crazy, dude. That was fun being young.

Speaker 3 It was, man. That shit.

Speaker 3 best.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you said your parents were kind of strict growing up.

Speaker 1 And were they two year siblings as well, or just you?

Speaker 3 No, just me, honestly, man.

Speaker 1 I think you were just a bad dude.

Speaker 3 I was kind of a little shit there growing up, man. But

Speaker 3 he's like, you know, it was kind of strict on me. I mean,

Speaker 3 but like, I mean, I was always well-mannered. You know, I mean,

Speaker 1 one of the most likable guys.

Speaker 1 You were by far one of the guys anywhere.

Speaker 1 I have never heard anyone say anything uncomplimentary

Speaker 1 about co-wetts and women.

Speaker 1 Except your parents, I guess. Yeah,

Speaker 3 except for Gary Dale just whooping the shit out of me.

Speaker 3 But no, like, I mean, I guess as like a little kid, I was kind of a terrible because, I mean,

Speaker 3 I was the only kid till I was eight years old. So, you know, I didn't know no better, you know? And then Presley came up and my younger sister, Zoe.

Speaker 1 But uh, why'd they wait eight years? Do you think any word on that?

Speaker 3 I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 I have no idea. That's rare, kind of.

Speaker 3 of after well yeah whenever happened i was like bro like this yeah yeah because yeah they had to go yeah for sure but uh yeah i don't know they were super strict on me and then my middle sister i mean not really and then zoe k they just let her run ragged bro is she all right oh she's a sweetheart she's she's an angel man she's uh married or not not married super smart um

Speaker 3 yeah she's almost done with college oh god i gotta get

Speaker 3 to be one of the first wetzels to graduate college.

Speaker 3 So shout out ZK.

Speaker 1 Let's get a picture of her up, Zoe.

Speaker 3 Yeah, Zoe Kay, yeah. Zoe Kay Wetzel.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. Yeah, she's graduating.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man. I think she's got like

Speaker 3 a couple semesters left. Oh, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Zoe K right there. Where's she graduating from?

Speaker 3 So she went to

Speaker 3 Texas Tech. She got her

Speaker 3 associates in Texas Tech, at Texas Tech. And then oh, yeah, Red Raider country.

Speaker 1 That's Cliff Kingsbury country over there.

Speaker 1 And Mahomes country, isn't it?

Speaker 3 Mahomes, you bet.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and so

Speaker 3 now she's just finishing on nursing school.

Speaker 1 Oh, she's going to be a nurse? No way.

Speaker 3 She wants to be a nurse practitioner. And so I was like, you know what? It's like, fuck it.
You know, do the whole thing, you know, might as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah, be a fucking, yeah, be the Carmelo Anthony and nurses. You know what I'm saying? Be like a

Speaker 3 be a doctor who gives a shit yeah be the best one yeah trying to get some scripts you know what i mean yeah that's what i'm talking about

Speaker 1 too much of this uh yeah i'm sick i'm sick of behind this shit that's been

Speaker 3 from these shady ass motherfuckers

Speaker 3 oh for sure dude i want that governmental stuff baby started buying shit behind mcdonald's come on

Speaker 1 yeah my sister's a nurse i just asked her she's like what do you want for christmas i said i want some tour doll shots

Speaker 1 so

Speaker 3 if my back gets bad on the road i can just use it Even if I'm not hurting whenever I'm getting an IV, I'm like, give me some tournaments. Put it in.
Oh,

Speaker 3 give me all the goods.

Speaker 1 That's how I'll do it. Yeah, I got to get a wife, man, next year.
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Speaker 1 Were your parents kind of like, were they like, okay, Cole, what are you doing here, buddy? You need to get you a,

Speaker 1 you need to fill out an application somewhere above it. Yeah, they, so, I mean, were they, how were, how did they, um, how have they supported your music over the years? What's that been like?

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, they've, they've always been super supportive, uh, but obviously, you know, them being parents, they were like, I remember whenever I was in, uh, I got kicked out of school at Tarleton State.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah. And so,

Speaker 3 you know, and

Speaker 3 they'd like to come in and check on me like once a year or whatever. And

Speaker 3 yeah, my parents. And so I'm living basically in a garage on a couch in a garage at one of my buddies' house.
And they like,

Speaker 3 they like come in and it's like,

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 I was sick for some reason. I had like the flu or something, but I didn't have no money to go get no meds or nothing.
So they come up, take care of me, and they're like, oh, we're coming up.

Speaker 3 And they walk in in this garage, and there's like the cats running around and shit. I'm just kind of like laid up on the couch.
They're like, uh, we ain't doing this shit.

Speaker 3 Like, what is wrong with you, bro? I was like, well, I'm sick right now.

Speaker 3 They're like, well, this is not going to happen anymore. But I was too proud to be like, to ask them for money and shit, you know, because

Speaker 3 I just, I didn't want to go that route.

Speaker 1 And you were out of school at that point?

Speaker 3 I was out of school.

Speaker 1 Did they know you were out of school or no?

Speaker 3 Yeah, they knew. And this was kind of like...

Speaker 1 Had you graduated or you were just taking a break?

Speaker 3 No, no, they kicked me out. They said, get the fuck out of here um

Speaker 3 yeah and so uh this is like two or probably three years probably 2014 ish uh and we're you know we're traveling we're making we're not making great money but we're making enough for me to pay rent on a couch in the garage and so they were like you know my dad he's worked construction he's like you know come back you make pretty good money couple years you know you can be a superintendent you'll run a crew like me i'm like ah you know that sounds great but you know and i've got buddies that are out in the oil field you know making damn good money and it's just it was kind of a shitty shitty time of life but i think that kind of that stuff right there is kind of what helped build me to what i am today you know it made me you know hard shelled you know um

Speaker 3 it kind of makes me appreciate everything that i've got going on now a little bit more you know having to go through those times but uh

Speaker 3 Yeah, my parents, they were like, this is this is not cool. So you need to figure it out.
Like, if you're going to do it, you know, do it.

Speaker 3 So, man, they've they've been super supportive the entire time. So, it's been great.

Speaker 1 Do you have any songs that are like about your mother or dad or anything like that?

Speaker 3 Oh, no. Surprisingly, I don't.
I've got a shit ton of songs, so I'll probably write one now. They're gonna be watching.
They'll be like, you know, we don't have a fucking song about it.

Speaker 3 You know what?

Speaker 1 Yeah, you just never know because sometimes it's interesting where people find how they find it.

Speaker 1 It's kind of hard to write a song, you know, like you see a lot of songs that are kind of love ballads, you know,

Speaker 1 but it's hard to write one that

Speaker 1 Morgan has that one. What's it like?

Speaker 3 Oh, that's a banger.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, I thought you should know.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's a banger.

Speaker 1 And I think there's a lot of people out there that want to have that, have a song like that. I think it also touched on a nerve.
It's like there's not really that son-to-mother song out there.

Speaker 1 I mean, son-to-father side. There's some of those more, probably.

Speaker 3 That's a hard song to write, though, you know? I feel like those songs are hard to write.

Speaker 3 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they're Morgan songs.

Speaker 3 I mean, I've mentioned my parents in songs before, but I just haven't wrote a song about them.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe it'll happen. Look, things happen as they happen.
Absolutely. But it's just interesting.
Yeah, I never really thought that it's kind of tough to create. That's a tough one to kind of make.

Speaker 1 I think that's why that one hit me so hard. I think of Morgan's just was because it did.

Speaker 3 Yeah, you just don't want to. Oh, it brings home for, I mean, pretty much everybody, you know.

Speaker 1 You guys toured together some.

Speaker 3 Yeah, we did AT ⁇ T with them this year, bro. That was awesome.

Speaker 1 How cool was that?

Speaker 3 Dude, that's what I told him. I was like, man, I appreciate you having me out.

Speaker 3 Any of the shows would have been great, but to play Cowboys Stadium, you know, Cowboys, my team, you know, Rep Dallas.

Speaker 3 And so just do, bro. I got out there and like, that's kind of what I was, like, I couldn't even like comprehend what was going on.

Speaker 3 The whole time, I'm just like staring around and looking, trying to take it all in, bro. And it was like, what is going on, man? It was, it was insane.
It was something I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 You know, I can't thank Morgan enough for having us out there.

Speaker 1 Just to be able to do that, dude.

Speaker 3 That's so crazy to have that moment to go walk out there oh man it was just like you could just like kept like i've never even been on the field before bro like you just kept looking at like people all the way up you're like oh what i was like you know i've been kicked out of the stadium

Speaker 3 so this was we had to get a couple signatures to get me in over there dude i'm in the back they're like what the fuck who let him back in here

Speaker 1 Yeah, bro, that's so great.

Speaker 1 Has dears toured now. I'm guessing it's probably expanded.
I know that you had an audience that was outside of Texas for sure. I know you have had a strong grassroots audience for a long time.

Speaker 1 And even bigger than grassroots, I don't mean to use those terms to sound like it isn't,

Speaker 1 you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 I'm not trying to like, no, no. Okay.

Speaker 1 But now if you found it, you've you're torn places that are outside of places you didn't think you would go before. Because that's when things are like, wow, this is kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 And I mean, we've been doing it for a while, you know, outside of Texas. Like we got outside of Texas probably 17, 18.

Speaker 3 But, I mean, even now, whenever we go to new places that are sold out, it's kind of like, man, this is crazy. You know, you kind of sit back and you're like, shit, this is

Speaker 3 pretty wild. But,

Speaker 3 yeah, it's, I mean, we just got done with Europe. We were over there.
We did UK. No way.
Yeah, that was, all the shows were sold out.

Speaker 1 Go to Manchester, London?

Speaker 3 Manchester, London,

Speaker 3 Glasgow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 All of

Speaker 3 Leeds, I think. Leeds.

Speaker 3 Then we did.

Speaker 3 Amsterdam. Then we did Germany.
Bro, it was wild. Wow.
Have you ever been to Europe before? We did. We did acoustic, an acoustic run over there back in like 2018.
So, but we haven't been back since.

Speaker 3 And so, a lot of the fans were like, were fans of the older music, you know, like they dug on the new stuff, but like, they were singing everywhere. It's all the old shit.
So, I was like, fuck yeah.

Speaker 3 Wow. It was a great time, man.

Speaker 1 That's so sick.

Speaker 3 We got to get back in like the smaller rooms, too.

Speaker 1 So, and you're going to Australia soon, too, huh?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we'll be there in March, I think.

Speaker 3 March. So, it's It's so great.
I've never been to Australia. I'm ready.

Speaker 1 It's so great, dude. We rented bikes one day on the beach, right? You could just rent like these beach cruiser bikes, you know, or just like these motorized bikes, you know.

Speaker 1 And we rented some and they

Speaker 1 you can take them out on the beach and literally it's the most beautiful beach. Nobody's out there and you're just just ripping these bitches, dude.

Speaker 3 I just heard it's kind of like Texas, honestly. Like Australia and Texas have like this thing together.

Speaker 1 The biggest following outside.

Speaker 3 Really? Nice. Hell yeah.
That's awesome. Shout out to Australia.

Speaker 1 Bro, there's nothing like Australia.

Speaker 1 And the people and the women are.

Speaker 3 Awesome.

Speaker 1 And everybody's good over there.

Speaker 3 They're great.

Speaker 1 They're great. And everybody's good over there.
And when I was over there, we went and saw one night, we saw Matchbox 20 and Google Dolls at a show.

Speaker 1 We popped over there and checked that out for a little bit. We went to a

Speaker 1 Fred Again show over there. DJ.
He's in DJs. That was pretty hype

Speaker 1 were you were you doing shows over there yeah nice where what are all you tour we went to everywhere except for perth we have to go back and go to perth i might go to sydney and perth or if if if we're able to yeah

Speaker 1 dude

Speaker 1 you have to be on my friend sean and marley you have to are you going to be in sydney uh

Speaker 3 queensland queensland

Speaker 3 what is queensland is at the beach we're trying we're we're we're hoping to get a couple more shows over there so if we are we need to get on that yeah for sure you need to go on my buddy Sean and Marley's show, dude.

Speaker 3 Let me up.

Speaker 1 Bring it up. Bring it up.
Bring it up, Sean and Marley, too.

Speaker 3 It's like a podcast or what is it?

Speaker 1 No, they do Sean and Marley. S-E-A.
There they are right there. Sean and Marley.

Speaker 3 Oh, shit. Yes.
Fuck yeah, dude. My dog, dude.
You got to go.

Speaker 1 And make a Texas dish with them.

Speaker 3 They're great. Yes.
Hell yeah. Do some chicken fried steak with them, bro.

Speaker 3 Hell yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude. They are legends.
Get down on Sean and Marley.

Speaker 3 I didn't know they were in Australia.

Speaker 1 They were on Hot Wings. No way.
Bring it up.

Speaker 1 Hi, Darren Barbie.

Speaker 3 Welcome to the Hot Wings

Speaker 3 program.

Speaker 3 What?

Speaker 3 Geez. Cheers.

Speaker 1 You and Marley look a little bit like me. I look like Sean.

Speaker 3 We should do our own show like this.

Speaker 3 I look like Sean a little bit. Theo and Coke.

Speaker 1 That guy's getting

Speaker 1 I call the fire department.

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 3 Have you been on hot ones?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was on there years ago. How was that? It's fun.
But I didn't think it was that hot, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 I mean, we're used to that shit, though.

Speaker 1 Yeah, dude, one of them, I'll say this. One of them, it's more like, it's not really a sauce.
It's more like something you clean the bathroom with.

Speaker 3 I'm saying like, hey, y'all are fucking cheating right here. This is all right.
Well, I saw, like, they saw it for like tepeo and shit like that. I was like, what?

Speaker 3 We put that on eggs in the morning you know yeah some of it was easy and then some of it you're like oh they using this to take rust off of the uh tire well you know like this is

Speaker 1 next level dude what's like the hot like what is what's an area of texas that you think has the best food you've been all over there um

Speaker 3 Either Austin, San Antonio's got some really good food, man.

Speaker 3 Mexican food, San Antonio, for sure. Austin just has everything, bro.
Like barbecue, Mexican food obviously um

Speaker 1 Fort Worth man Fort Worth is lights out El Paso's got really good food yeah what's up with El Paso it always gets a weird rap I feel like it's kind of this mystery

Speaker 3 it's uh I think they want to keep it a mystery man because there's so much shit going on because right there next to Juarez and Juarez is no-no like I don't you play Juarez

Speaker 3 we haven't but I mean it's like they they tell you not to to go over there or whatever but I had a buddy he went over there like a month ago or a month two months ago and he was like yeah we just walked across and went and ate and had a couple beers and then came back over i was like dude what like but uh yeah man el paso we we record out there in tornillo just south el paso and tornillo it's called tornillo yeah and uh it's a great time with food out there phenomenal it's really good best best mexican food you'll probably ever eat outside of el paso outside el paso in el paso in el paso yeah if you're uh if you're there hit me up i'll send you some some yeah

Speaker 1 what um

Speaker 1 what do you think about now with with music kind of moving forward what do you kind of look at like i mean you guys are touring off of nine lives now

Speaker 1 and then like do you start to think about

Speaker 3 what do you kind of think about i know you have a christmas album that's coming out yeah um we have it coming out here in a couple days i guess a couple days i think december friday um and then uh january man just get back in the studio um starting to write we'll start writing tomorrow for that actually stay here and then uh

Speaker 3 january man just get get back in the studio trying to do the same thing i guess um

Speaker 3 yeah just that uh we got a lot of festivals this year coming up um and then i don't know a couple surprises yeah yeah

Speaker 3 we're excited about it man it's it's uh this year was was wild man for us it was it was insane it was and this year went by so quick

Speaker 3 like dog how is that what is that about i don't know maybe that's another part of getting older but i just feel like it was new year's Year's Eve and now we're back at Christmas again, you know?

Speaker 1 It was so fast, dude. I think people are living fast too because the COVID or whatever.
I think people are like trying to live.

Speaker 3 Yeah, maybe that's it. I don't know.
But it was, I just looked up and I was like, because the tour went by. Tour went by.

Speaker 3 I mean, we were on the road for three months and it went by super quick, you know, and I was looking forward to Europe and then Europe went by quick and I was like, holy shit.

Speaker 3 And so I don't know, man.

Speaker 3 Just getting back out there, putting out some more music, trying to, you know, keep the fans happy.

Speaker 1 It all happens so fast.

Speaker 3 It does, man.

Speaker 1 It's kind of weird how even like you could be dreaming or hoping about something and it's like the most important thing in the world. And then it comes.
And it comes and it's gone.

Speaker 3 It comes and it's like, oh, man, now what do I got? I look forward to it.

Speaker 1 It's just kind of, yeah, like I'm always pinning like my, not necessarily my happiness, but like I'll be pinning like. a lot of my excitement on one day or one moment.

Speaker 1 I do that a lot.

Speaker 3 And there's such a buildup of it, but then once it's gone, it's just like it never even happened kind of damn that was it yeah yeah i feel i have the same man i'll uh i'll get so fixated on some you know and then once it's there

Speaker 3 try to you know relish it for as long as you can and

Speaker 1 but it goes by so quick they got to get you on game day down there man i know it man that'd be a fun one and did you do that with is that with pat yeah i got to do it like a year ago it was crazy dude they called literally the night before like 10 o'clock like you want to come on tomorrow and i was like

Speaker 3 i wouldn't put me on. Dude, we were talking about that at lunch.

Speaker 1 Like, Pat is just like completely oh, that guy's unreal.

Speaker 3 He's insane.

Speaker 1 He's the most, that guy's unreal, dude. There's nobody like Pat McAfee.

Speaker 1 He's like the male Caitlyn Clark of his job. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah, man. He is.

Speaker 1 Yeah, they should have you down there next year on that on that

Speaker 3 either that Red River Rode

Speaker 3 or the

Speaker 1 Texas versus A ⁇ M.

Speaker 3 A and L. Did you watch that the other night? It was great.
Great game, man. I think that was the, I think it was the first time in what, like 11 or 12 years that they played.
And everybody was

Speaker 3 stoked. Texas was on cloud 10, man.
We were fired up.

Speaker 1 People were stoked, man. What a great place to be from.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 Because Texas, I feel like, say, if there's like, people start to divide off into their own states, that's going to be a state a lot of people are going to want to go live in.

Speaker 3 For sure. Well, hell, like, everybody is starting to move down.
You know, you got all these people from California. And I mean, it's kind of like Nashville.

Speaker 3 You know, everybody's moving to Nashville as well. But

Speaker 3 are you coming? Are you coming to Texas?

Speaker 1 I'm coming to look at a place there in Austin.

Speaker 3 Nice, man. Fuck y'all.

Speaker 1 I need to get just, I want to be closer to like a

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 I would like to have to be able to be in both places. Yeah, absolutely.
Because I find myself, I've had an apartment in Los Angeles for a while for this whole year. I've probably been there.

Speaker 3 Oh, you still got a place back in LA?

Speaker 1 But three weeks I've been there. Whole year.

Speaker 3 It's,

Speaker 3 yeah, I think being able to bounce back and forth from here and there would be dope. Yeah.
And you've been awesome, right, man. It's got everything, man.
Like, it's, it's, it's badass.

Speaker 1 It's fun. You can still get mugged a little.

Speaker 3 Still, yeah, still got to hold on to your wallet.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. If there ain't no crime, the food ain't that good.
You got to have to have crime to have food.

Speaker 3 It's too light for me. Yeah, dude.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 If you don't have some good crime.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're going to do what did you Cam had asked me about doing the inch, the 12 Days of Christmas for that thing.

Speaker 3 What were we supposed to do? Oh, yeah. No, man.
Just read it? No, yeah, I was going to have you read it, but I should have thought about it too. We could do it now.
We didn't be able to record or no.

Speaker 3 No, no, we're good.

Speaker 1 I don't know if I had to go to a studio or something. I was just kind of overwhelmed.

Speaker 3 No, I hit him up and I was like, man, this is kind of last notice.

Speaker 1 If you do one next year, I'll be happy to do it.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 We'll get together on something, man.

Speaker 1 Because I wanted to find a way to make it funny, but I was just like, I'm fucking burnt out.

Speaker 3 That's what I told him. I was like, man, he's like, well, what's kind of like the overall deal? I was like, just telling to be himself, you know, I just wanted you to read it.

Speaker 3 We got, you know, Ben Burgess? Ben Burgess? Oh, yeah. We got songwriters.
We got Ben to do it. Yeah.
And you know, Ben.

Speaker 1 Bring him up.

Speaker 3 Bring up a picture of him. Ben is

Speaker 3 his own person, bro. And he went in there and did it.

Speaker 3 Did his Texas draw and shit.

Speaker 1 Oh, dude, he's a very famous songwriter, isn't he?

Speaker 3 He's a bad cat, man.

Speaker 1 He's like the greatest one, isn't he?

Speaker 3 Yeah. I love Old Burgess.
Wow.

Speaker 1 I met him years ago.

Speaker 1 with Charles Kelly, I think at some event that they had, Josh Kelly, years ago.

Speaker 3 Yeah, he's a bad dude, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he's the guy.

Speaker 3 Well, yeah. He got in there and he read it like he was reading it to his grandchildren or some shit.
Sounds good. He did.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's cool. Well, if you guys need somebody next year, man, I was going to say, I'll tell you what, we could just record it right here.
I just didn't, I think, know what to do. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 Oh, good. Yeah, what do you do? Yeah, with the Christmas album.
So what is it? It's just like, I heard some of the ones from last year. I saw you guys had a cool animation that was online.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Like you in the back of a Santa Slay and stuff.

Speaker 3 It's just like just some like reimagined songs. Like we just

Speaker 3 basically like covering them up and just making them ours.

Speaker 1 And like chestnuts roasting on like a

Speaker 3 on a bottle of fireball or something? Yeah, fucking barbecue pit or some shit. Oh, yeah.
We uh

Speaker 3 I don't know. It kind of gives us something to do at the end of the year because we're not usually not in the studio.
So it just kind of gives us reason to, and it's,

Speaker 3 you know, it's something that people can go back to every single Christmas. So I don't know.

Speaker 3 Do you

Speaker 1 when you start thinking about

Speaker 1 like what are things you feel like are missing from your own life? Do you feel?

Speaker 3 Oh,

Speaker 1 is that a weird question?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I've been getting a lot of those today.
Very intimate questions.

Speaker 3 I don't know, man.

Speaker 1 I mean, you just hit such a neat place in your career.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 I don't think it's anything career-wise.

Speaker 3 I don't know. It's just always go, go, go.
And

Speaker 3 I don't know. You know, I think

Speaker 3 not having the

Speaker 3 maybe the alone time or whatever it is, you know, just to kind of reset. I was with Bobby and them earlier, and we were talking about it, and that was kind of one of the things I had on.

Speaker 3 I like being like, I'm a loner, you know, and because I'm always surrounded around people and stuff, but I like to have the time to myself just to kind of relax and reset and do all that shit. So

Speaker 3 I don't know. I don't know what it's missing.

Speaker 3 Life's good, man. Life's good, too.

Speaker 1 Yeah, and that's a good point, too. Sometimes it doesn't have to be.
Sometimes

Speaker 1 like, I'll feel like I always need to have an answer for that question. I didn't even realize that till just now.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 And then I'm kind of setting myself up for failure in a little bit of a way because I'm always thinking that there's something missing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 that could be a problem. But I mean,

Speaker 3 but sometimes when life is as good as you think it is, maybe it's not, you know, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 It must be. inspiring to see your career evolve, continue to evolve, right?

Speaker 1 And grow, your fan base continue to grow, because then you start thinking, well, what can I do you know like not you don't think that before but you're like okay how can I challenge myself now how can I what else could I make I've got I've got here you know where else could I go or what else could I do yeah that's kind of interesting you know because you don't know what this looks like until you're till you're standing there you know well I find myself like getting into things that you know

Speaker 3 just that I probably would never have gotten into and be like, well, maybe that would be a cool, cool, like, say, acting or something, you know, something like that.

Speaker 3 I think that would be really cool to get into.

Speaker 1 Bar ownership, you got a new bar right now.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, we've been doing the bar deal and riot riot room. Yeah, yeah, you need to come down to Fort Worth, man.
Yeah, dude.

Speaker 1 Well, whenever we're touring through there, I think if we don't go through Dallas, we'll have to make it happen.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 And what kind of joint is it in there? They got billions or what is it?

Speaker 3 It's uh, it's kind of like a honky-tonk during the day with food. And then about nine o'clock, it turns to a club, man.
It's like a Texas club, I guess, like a cowboy club. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 I don't know how to explain it. We got bottle, bottle start.
There you go. Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's a ride.

Speaker 1 It's a good time. Gang, dude.
That's your place?

Speaker 3 Yeah, bro.

Speaker 3 Congratulations, man.

Speaker 3 We just opened up a second location or about to in Houston. Hopefully getting it up by February.

Speaker 1 See, that's what I'm missing about partying. You can open up something like that.
Like, I'd have to open up a place where people kind of cry about how they feel every now and then.

Speaker 3 That's what I say whenever I open it up. I was like, I just want a place I can go fucking party and not have to worry about going to chicken electric.

Speaker 3 Like, nobody can kick me out of the motherfucker.

Speaker 1 Except for you.

Speaker 1 You end up texting yourself.

Speaker 3 Sometimes I need to kick myself out of there, bro. You just see me dragging myself out, bro.

Speaker 1 Fucking riot, Rude. That's so cool, dude.
Just to have your own bar. Everybody dreams of that.

Speaker 1 People dream of that in their lives.

Speaker 3 It's been a lot of fun, man.

Speaker 1 You guys are opening up a new one?

Speaker 3 Yeah, down in Houston. It'll open, hoping for February,

Speaker 3 but it's almost finished up.

Speaker 3 It's been going good, man.

Speaker 3 I never

Speaker 3 thought that I'd have a bar or whatever, but

Speaker 3 got in with the right people and just kind of, I don't know, it's been cool. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Especially in Texas, especially in your space.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, we didn't.

Speaker 3 We had talked about putting in one here in Nashville, and I was like,

Speaker 3 I'm not stepping on nobody's toes. You know,

Speaker 3 it's not my domain.

Speaker 3 uh, I'm gonna stick to what I know down there in Texas.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to be careful. I think about that sometimes, too, like about getting involved in certain stuff.
You don't want to act like it's your place just because you're there.

Speaker 1 Yeah, for sure. You know, if you're not from there, I feel like

Speaker 1 that's how I feel sometimes.

Speaker 3 I've seen uh, is Jelly Rose? Is he putting in one? Is he?

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, that's what I did here. Is Jelly Roll putting in a bar? Let's look, pull it up.

Speaker 3 Jelly, Laney got hers. Uh, Morgan.
Oh, yeah, I haven't been to Morgan's yet.

Speaker 3 Uh,

Speaker 1 I haven't been to Morgan's either. One of my

Speaker 1 five-story building.

Speaker 3 God.

Speaker 3 I feel like

Speaker 3 they're just like saying how many stories they can go up. Yeah.
Shout out, Jelly, man. That's awesome.

Speaker 1 Bars Marquis sign will be yellow and black, including a skull wearing a crown of natural skyline.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's kind of cool, man. Oh, yeah.
That's like his emblem.

Speaker 3 Yeah, shout out, Jelly. That's awesome, man.

Speaker 1 It is cool, dude. What a guy.

Speaker 3 Dude, your impression of Jelly, whatever he is, is you and

Speaker 3 if you've ever fallen asleep in a fucking UPS van,

Speaker 3 if you were raised in the back of an Oscar Meyer waiting,

Speaker 3 if you've ever gotten head lice from Bad Head,

Speaker 3 if you've ever popped a pimple on the back of a long-haul trucker,

Speaker 3 if you've ever given head in the front seat of a Peterbilt,

Speaker 3 if you've ever had your legs fall asleep on the shitter of a loves gas station toilet

Speaker 3 you could win an Emmy motherfucker like what is happening dude by the way Jelly Jelly Jelly gives the best hugs in the world bro every time he sees you like he just like picks you up like Jelly man this is oh man yeah if you're having a shitty day get a hug from Jelly Row bro turns that motherfucker right around he they should have a hug center they should have that should be a machine that's what he'd tell them hey instead of all the other good that you're doing around the world, you need a hug station, bro.

Speaker 3 You have a hug station.

Speaker 3 Give out free hugs, bro. Oh, man.
If you never pissed off,

Speaker 1 it's $1 hugs, dude. Jelly's $1 hugs, dude.
Or you can pay $2 and get a little bit more of a hug. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 And it's heated.

Speaker 3 The second hug is heated, dude. God damn, brother.
Oh, man.

Speaker 1 Yeah, there's something about Jelly. He just is,

Speaker 1 there's something about him. He's just like a conduit, you know.

Speaker 3 For,

Speaker 1 I feel like for love, really. The guy just.

Speaker 3 It's like his whole aura, his whole presence, everything about him. It's just, man,

Speaker 3 it'll turn a bad day around for sure.

Speaker 1 It really will. He really is grateful, man.

Speaker 1 He's grateful. He's fun to watch.

Speaker 3 His story's been cool, man.

Speaker 3 He's got a really cool story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it's great, dude.

Speaker 1 And yeah, you guys are going to be touring for how long? Most of next year or what?

Speaker 3 Yeah, we're doing a bunch of festivals and stuff. And then

Speaker 3 hopefully getting a tour in towards the end of the year, maybe.

Speaker 3 Planning on a new record. So, if we get that out, get a new tour going,

Speaker 3 all the goods.

Speaker 1 And any new songwriters you want to work with, or anything like that, or what's that look like? I know you one night, I called you and Ernest working together.

Speaker 3 Yeah, me and Ernest were out in, I think we were out in El Paso, whenever you got it.

Speaker 1 Y'all were fucking, he said he saw an alien or something.

Speaker 3 He could have been, oh, we could have been high.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, there's no telling what

Speaker 3 peyote or anything else out there, bro.

Speaker 3 But, uh, yeah, man, I mean, we, uh, I've started co-writing with a lot of people, man. And this last record was the first time that I've done it.
So,

Speaker 3 yeah, man, I think it's kind of just kind of open to brand new ideas and stuff, man. Just trying to, you know, do what's best for us.

Speaker 1 Has it been hard for you to evolve? Like, is that a tough thing to change, to do as an artist? To like think, okay, I'm going to co-write or I'm not.

Speaker 1 Or is that, do you like have certain like kind of rules for yourself and then those change or do you not have any rules for yourself?

Speaker 3 It was at first to start with the co-writers because I've wrote, you know, my first four records were completely just me. And then so to get into co-writing was kind of a hard ordeal.

Speaker 3 And then now I've, I've accepted a lot more. I feel like it's, it's easier on me, especially with the headspace I'm in and so much that's going on.

Speaker 3 And it helps to have other people's ideas, you know, outside,

Speaker 3 outside looking in. So,

Speaker 3 yeah, man, it's been a lot of fun. Like I said, with Gabe Simon and

Speaker 3 all these badass artists around here, man.

Speaker 1 Dude, I met him with Dermot Kennedy. I think.
Bring a picture of him up. I think they were writing together.

Speaker 3 Probably.

Speaker 1 Gabe Simon.

Speaker 3 He works with

Speaker 3 No Kong

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 a couple other.

Speaker 1 Oh, Gabe. I don't think that's him.
All right.

Speaker 3 No, no, that's him.

Speaker 1 Sorry, sorry. That is Gabe.
That is another guy that I met, but I would like to meet him sometime.

Speaker 1 Small world. I look forward to meeting Gabe.
He's a great dude, man.

Speaker 1 No, this is okay. Now I feel like an idiot, but that's okay.
It was a different Gabe that I believe played with Dermot Kennedy over there. We went to the

Speaker 1 Bluebird over there

Speaker 1 and watched him play. Yeah, well, I just think that's interesting because, yeah, it's like I always want to do things on my own, right?

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 And I was like, oh, I'll do it on my own. But then things kind of change.
You're like, I can't do it all now. Yeah, for sure.
And so then I'm like, now I have to evolve a little bit.

Speaker 3 Yeah, for sure. I think,

Speaker 3 and I've always been like, I hate to ask people for help on anything. Like, that's just how I'm I'm wired.
But sometimes, you know, I mean, it,

Speaker 3 well, you kind of got to push your pride aside and say hell with it.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And then that's the times when you really kind of things you get better, you know.

Speaker 3 Honestly, yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Usually when I end up including other people, and then I'm not doing anything alone, I think. That's the thing that's, that's a bummer.
Sometimes I think about like,

Speaker 1 it's not like, I think sometimes I would like to get married, you know, or something. I said that, but I think it's because otherwise you do stuff and you don't have anybody to tell about.

Speaker 1 yeah you're like oh I just this was fun but it was by myself and you're like well shit dude and then your wife one day your wife or whatever is gonna be like shut up I wasn't please stop telling me about this yeah I wasn't there dude

Speaker 1 I think that's good man I think we've had a nice chat hell yeah that was awesome to congratulations dude

Speaker 1 yeah we look forward to just hearing more music and just watching your journey man yeah it's fucking tough to grow up dude don't do all don't don't do it all overnight dude Yeah, not all overnight.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 we'll just keep easing into it. Okay.

Speaker 1 Hey, man. New Christmas Christmas album out now and his album Nine Lives.
Thanks again, Co. Have a good one, man.
Appreciate it. Yeah, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 1 Now, I'm just falling on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves.

Speaker 3 I must be

Speaker 3 cornerstone.

Speaker 3 Oh, but when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found. I can feel it

Speaker 3 in my bones,

Speaker 3 but it's gonna take

Speaker 3 a little