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Rated M for Mature. I have some new tour dates to let you know about.
I'll be in East Lansing. I'll be in Toledo, Ohio, Rama, Ontario in in the canada pittsburgh pa eugene oregon kennewick washington seattle washington victoria bc in the canada college station texas belton texas san antonio durant amarillo oxford mississippidy, howdy, Fayetteville, Arkansas, Tuscaloosa, Alabama, rolling head, and Tallahassee, Florida, Rosemont, Illinois, Winnipeg, and Calgary in the Canada.
Get all your tickets at theovon.com slash T-O-U-R. Thank you so much for your support.
And thank you to the fella in Montana that gave me this jacket. Got some Indian artifacts on the back.
And just want to say thank you. I really like this jacket.
We've also got some new merch, some new gang gang tees in pepper and ivory. And we've got a new gang gang hat.
Check those out and more at theovonstore.com. Happy holidays to everyone.
Today's guest has never been afraid to speak his mind. He has been a staple in country music and in Texas lore for many years.
He's having a great year right now

with his new album, Nine Lives. It's country, it's rock, it's grunge, it's him.
He's got a new

Christmas EP, Wetzel's Wonderland, chapter two, out now. And I'm just grateful to spend time today

and to catch up with him. Today's guest is Mr.
Coe Wetzel. I shouldn't be allowed to fucking be alive.
You ever feel like that?

You ever feel like that really, dude?

I mean, I should not be allowed

to be alive, dude.

I just...

Kind of one of those days?

Yeah, you ever just burn so many bridges down,

you can't even take a step.

You burn, it's not even bridges,

you burn down just regular flooring.

Yeah. Ceiling, yeah, everything's fine it just when you know if i get in a you know you think it's it's kind of like with the holidays and shit coming up too or it doesn't help yeah no for sure and it's a lot of little things to do and suddenly a lot of just feeling like a blow responsibilities and then everything kind of has a yeah and then if i yeah and i start turning i'll just turn it into just uh you know i get too focused on what i need to get done sometimes i just got to hit a meeting or something or fucking drink a damn eight ball dude dude i'm glad they didn't come out with eight ball the uh beverage or whatever i think they did celsius i'd have been on them bitches man co wetzel man congrats on the new album dude i appreciate it wow shit kind of popped off huh yeah well you've been've been working so hard.
For sure. People don't think about that.
Yeah, everybody, it's the overnight success shit. And I don't know, they don't see the 10 years, 10 plus years, you know.
We've been grinding it out for a while, so. At all the places.
You've played every place they would allow someone to play, really. For real, though, man i mean you'll play i've seen yeah yeah trailers uh on the back of like semis uh behind chicken wire oh i've seen places where like tomorrow this place is getting fumigated right where they'll already be setting up the tent around it with the bug spray in it and it's like but tonight go wrestle baby it was with big lights right we had dude there was this one run that we had it was it was probably the third year it's probably 2013 14 and it was like we were playing vfw's and like firehouses and stuff well there was like three places that we played.
And within two months, I don't know if it was tax reasons or what, but all of them fucking burnt down. It was like a thing, like, co-wesps is coming to town.
Get your extinguishers ready, man. He's about to burn this bitch down, literally.
Dude, it was almost like that white snake memorial tour, kind of.

That's how it was, man.

And it was kind of a joke around East Texas, but it was legit.

It was always a VFW or a little cash grab or something.

It was kind of a sketchy place, you know, and then you get in there, and it's like, did you hear that place burned down last night?

I was like, what?

You're like, we just left. Yeah.
Like like i think we still have some drums in there bro you can smell the kerosene as you pull it off down the road because they're just in the bag just pulling wires and shit i was electrical fired oh bro oh yeah nothing like a good scam dude i'm telling you nothing like it out of a pinch. You're talking about, yeah, getting your day back to brighter, man.
Getting a little government money, man. Oh, we had a dude who had bought a bunch of, he made a bunch of 4th of July T-shirts, right, okay? And they didn't get in until they basically got in, like, on the night before.
They're supposed to come in, like in like two weeks early and it was a business plan this guy had and uh he so on fourth of july he's like i got i have basically eight or nine hours to pedal these bitches you know so he got he was out there on a with a bike with a little wagon he was pulling like he was supposed to have a child in it or something but it was just full of these fourth of july shirts and he was out there just just slanging him bitches and he only got rid of about maybe 17 of them so he had about maybe 420 shirts left or whatever what do you do he said he here's what he did he said he set him on fire right but he did it he did it near a fireworks display and he said that some of the fireworks had landed in him hey hey man that's uh gotta respect the hustle that's great that's awesome it was a great idea man he's got a lot i bet he had a lot of a lot of great ideas i mean maybe is he still around he's an idea man i would say that absolutely he's an idea, man. I would say that.
Yeah, absolutely.

He's an idea, man.

Yeah, man, you're playing some different venues now,

so that's kind of changed, huh?

Has it?

Yeah, man. I mean, we've been doing arenas for the last two or three years,

but it's just kind of to a bigger scale, I guess.

I mean, definitely got newer fans.

With this record, we kind of tapped into the mainstream kind of side of it, I guess, you know,

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With this record, we kind of tapped into the mainstream kind of side of it, I guess. You know, we've always been independent.
And, I mean, I guess, you know, coming out of Texas, I mean, you can tour Texas year-round, you know, and make a damn good living. It's pretty much what we've been doing.
But, you know, over the last probably five years, you know, we got out of Texas and got to play these crazy arenas and stuff. That's crazy.
Look at that. Yeah, man.
It's been a while. I mean, we've been blessed.
Fans have just come out of the woodworks, man. And it's cool to have people, you know, fuck with the music, man.
Fuck with what you're telling them, man. And I don't know.
It's been wild. It's kind of, we've been so busy, I haven't had time to like step back and actually look at it, you know, and kind of see where we're at.
But it's wild, man. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of that energy out of Texas where it's just like that, you know, we'll figure it out.
And Texas really supports their own a lot. Yeah, for sure.
You know? It's the same with guys like Parker over the years. And, I mean, Texas has their own thing.
They always have. Yeah.
You know, they support their own. Yeah.
Very proud people, man. And, you know, it's just such a cult following, you know.
And we've been blessed to have those cult fan base, that fan base for so long, you know. Is there like co-beef between like people you know like new fans and old fans do you feel like maybe maybe a little bit but i mean like i said they're so passionate and they're so they're so like co-fans that you know i think they've they've uh respond i was kind of curious as to how they're going to take this new music that we put out uh i they came on with it I think they dug it we haven't really veered off from the shit we've been doing our whole career do you feel weird is there a part of you that feels like because I get like if I have to do something that feels kind of mainstream to me sometimes it makes me fucking really just because like i said earlier you know i'm still doing the same shit it's just more i guess on a bigger scale kind of more uh i don't know um kind of expected you know what i mean like to to do all these interviews and you know just kind of get your story out there so i mean it used to be you know get up go play music and that was it you know write music uh throw down party with everybody and now it's kind of all right let's take a step back and calm everything down a little bit you know yeah oh yeah dude yeah your tick tocks you guys would be just up out there eating dandelions and shit or just adopting animals i mean you guys are doing a lot for the for nature and everything out there everything man do you have to slow it down a little bit have you had to a little um this tour we definitely did so last year's tour was the hell pasco tour and it was balls to the wall like it was it was insane bro like it was too much honestly uh i'm surprised somebody died oh we didn't and but we had a couple folks go to jail.
But other than that, I mean, it was just chaos the whole time. And then this year with the Damn Near Normal Tour, they kind of, like, caged me a little bit.
Like, so after every show, it was direct to the bus, and then the cop escorted out. Like, they wouldn't let me go out and party and stuff, which was great.
I mean, the tour was great and stuff, but I felt like

they were trying to settle

me down a little bit

because, I mean, like I said,

it's just kind of on a bigger

scale than anybody

kind of expected it to be.

Yeah, you got more

responsibility.

The next day, you got to

actually be there.

And, you know, I felt

a whole lot better this tour

and the shows were better

in my opinion.

But, yeah, I mean, I guess

it's got to grow up

sometime, man.

It sucks, huh?

It sucks, man.

It sucks getting old.

Here we go. and the shows were better in my opinion.
But, yeah, I mean, I guess it's got to grow up sometime, man. It sucks, huh? It sucks, man.
It sucks getting old. It sucks having to grow up.
Grow up, yeah. And it's not even getting old.
Oh, you can stay young and just be an old dude. And like, damn, that old dude shouldn't be.
It's like the FOMO, though. Like, you know, like whenever it's just like you reminisce on all the good times, it's like, damn, man, that'd be fun to do tonight.
You know, we should do that tonight. Oh, yeah.
It's nothing. Oh, dude, going to bed early and laying there and just feeling like just even God knows you're a little bitch.
That's the saddest part, dude, getting into bed early. You're like, all right, I'm doing it.
And then you kind of get ready and you're like, oh, start to feel a little bit bad. You're like, oh, you know what? And then you wake up next morning.

I feel like whenever you wake up next morning, you're like, no, good on you.

Yeah.

Fuck yeah, man.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

That's like you got a little oomph in your chest.

Like, hey, man.

Yeah.

A natural oomph and not just where your heart's just burned out from running overtime.

Dude, I remember when I first met you, I was like, because I was like, I don't know if I just like gotten like re-sober or something at the time. Re-sober is a good name.
Re-sober, yeah, that's pretty cool. I never heard that word.
I never said that word before. Re-sober.
Re-sobered. But I never got, and I remember when I met you and I was like, I got to be careful around that guy because.
I remember that time. That guy.
That was at Whiskey Jam, right? Was it Whiskey Jam? I don't remember.

Or Losers?

It might have been with Todd Graves.

Yeah, that could have been. It could have been the Super Bowl.

Remember, it was at that.

Oh, God, yeah.

In that suite or something.

Dude, I was sober for three weeks going up there.

And then, bro, we're sitting in the suite with Todd.

And, like, me and Dre have been sober or whatever.

And we're like, if we can make it through Super Bowl weekend, dude, we are. You know, we're sitting in the suite with Todd and like me and Dre have been sober or whatever.
And we're like,

if we can make it through Superbowl weekend,

dude,

we are,

you know,

we're,

we're killing it.

And I'm sitting there and Cersei from Lord of the fucking ring or not Lord of

the rings,

uh,

game of Thrones walks in.

I'm like,

was that Cersei?

And they're like,

yeah,

that's one of the Jonas brothers too.

I was like,

holy shit,

you know?

And so,

yeah.

And you got to play that game. You drink every time you see a Jonas brother.
I was like, yeah too I was like holy shit you know and so yeah you gotta play that game you drink every time you see a Jonas Brother I was like yeah I was like vodka soda please and dude we got I mean it was like 11 in the morning and you know you got all these actors and musicians and yeah Coach O walks in from LSU he's like hey what's going on you doing alright you doing alright bro I'm like yeah I'm good man like what do you think about your boy oh he got a soda he's got, hey, what's going on, cuz? You doing all right? You doing all right, bro? I'm like, yeah, I'm good, man. What do you think about your boy? Oh, he got it sold up.
He's got it sold up. Yeah, that's when Burrow was playing the Super Bowl.
I was like, this dude's fucking awesome, you know? This dude's been eating eight balls, too. And just rolling around, man, just having a great time.
And so, man, we hammered him all day. We get to the game, and I mean, it's just like that red carpet.
People were showing up, coming in. Like, dude, I can't handle this shit.
This is too much. Yeah, everybody was in there.
P.D. Pablo, I think, was in there.
Dude, Jack Harlow, French Montana. I mean, it was just one after the other.
And, you know, me being from small East Texas, I was like, what the fuck? Oh, yeah. That was wild.
That was crazy. There was a lot of fancy folks in there too dude i wanted to fucking rob some of those fucking queers or whatever and i don't you can't say queers but so over till we didn't say it um but yeah dude oh and i just yeah i was like because i was just trying to i was just getting back on the grill or whatever and i was like i gotta fucking well to fucking.
Well, I think, I think one of the times I met you, it was at Whiskey Gym, I think. And we were sitting there, each other.
And we were like, yeah, I'm a fan of each other, whatever. And I remember you were like, there was a step right above me to what Muscadine Bloodline was playing.
He was like, you trying to go up? And I was like, yeah, let's go. And I was like, you want to go to the bathroom right here? You were like, wait, what? I was like, and I had a lid in my pocket.
I was like, so you're trying to go. You were like, no, the step to watch.
I was like, ah, ah, shit. And I didn't know you was sober.
I remember that. Yeah, I was kind of perched up in the back.
You're trying to get up? I'm like, hell yeah, let's go right damn brother well look i appreciate the hey i do appreciate the support yeah hey man i was my bet that was that was on me man oh dude i want somebody to fucking want to get me fucked up dude i want somebody to just hold me down and just fucking just damn funnel just yay into my brain You know what I'm saying? But that's Christmas wishing, you know? Let me talk about your new album. So the new album is Nine Lives, right? And when have you burned a couple of your lives? Like, was there a night or two over the time? Because I'm trying to think.
We had, let me think of a good night that happened to me one time. Oh, dude, a guy overdosed or whatever one time, and people were doing CPR on him.
I'm like, he doesn't need fucking CPR. Was anybody even, could they even do CPR? I mean, they were just trying.
His chest was already doing its own CPR. I'm like, that dude is just geeked out of his gourd, bro.
You need to hit him with that fucking, that's Narcaniel Johnson. You need to hit him with that.
Somebody hit him with an EpiPen. Yes, we Narcan, dude.
Yeah, somebody hit him with an EpiPen, like he had a bee sting or something. I'm like, this dude got stung by an eight ball.
This dude got stung by a freaking. He's had a reaction for sure.
This dude got stung by a warm gram and they're trying to put down Pepto-Bismol in him. People are fucking unbelievable.
Hey, man, people start freaking out like that. Shit gets hairy, and especially if you tore up like that, you don't know what the fuck's going to happen.
So it's kind of like, oh, shit. Well, everybody starts trying.
I think I'm going to have one myself. Y'all start doing that shit to me.
Oh, dude, I see somebody doing Narcan. I'll hit one.
Can I get please do you uh do you always feel like you had to party so much where does that come from you think is that just did you grow up partying yeah not real i mean uh i never felt like i i had to it was just man i like to have a good time my whole family likes to have a good time man so it's just kind of whenever i got so my parents were pretty strict with me growing up you know because they knew the only way I was going to get out of Pittsburgh was to, you know, on a scholarship or whatever. And that's Pittsburgh, Texas.
Pittsburgh, Texas. Yeah.
And so, like, they were really strict on me. And so once I got to college, dude, it was like balls to the wall, like no pants, you know, get to college and just hammer down, man.
And it just, I don't know, I guess it kind of just snowballed. And i don't know i can drink with the best best of them and uh i don't know it's a great time man and i've slowed down a whole lot um you know this past couple years but i still uh i still like to get out there and and act up a little bit yeah yeah wow i can't believe that's you slowed down it's great though i was always envious of people that could party man because I couldn't do it I'd get a little too rattled and I'd just start fucking chewing on the fucking walls and shit you know I'd just start fucking farming copper out of my own house dude you know I'd get I couldn't handle it dude I'd call the cops on myself a bunch of times I'm fucked up that's partying though i mean that's that's hardcore shit hey that's some partying i don't think i've ever called the cops on myself before that's wild oh yeah dude i'll call them bitches huh oh dude i'll call the cops for anything dude i see yeah i remember i was at a ufc fight one night and the guys were beating each other so bad and i fucking called the cops right there from t-mobile arena it was uh dustin poirier and max holloway were beating the shit out of each other i said y'all gotta get down here quick yeah i said y'all got a male-on-male domestic down here oh my god bro that's what i said i said these guys are fighting over jewelry down here because i think winter got the bell oh really so i was like it's you got a male-on-male domestic down here but you guys you guys need to send something you need to figure this shit out quick.
Dana, what are you doing? Yeah, why the Title IX lives, man? Oh, man, it was kind of, so the record was kind of like us kind of doing a new music that we're not known for. You know, usually it's the party music, the crazy rock stuff.
So this was just kind of the past, the other lives that I could have could live had i not been a musician you know or or traveled down this road so um it's kind of just like a reflection on that and uh i don't know man just kind of one of those one of those things yeah and i've read that you wrote it pretty quick like when it finally hit you most of the songs came really quick man like uh gabe simon he always say it was like my first therapy session yeah yeah yeah cool dude uh but he like he like dug into my life like into my soul and was like bringing out shit that i'd normally never tell like a stranger you know and he just dug into it man and and it helped write the songs really fast honestly so no yeah i don't know man the songs came out great you know it was one of the more uh vulnerable vulnerable sides of me for sure yeah for sure no i mean it was just like it was more raw and real than i feel like i'd ever been um playing music so so yeah it was kind of like uh kind of turning a new page on you, not leaving the party behind, but just kind of me kind of growing up type shit. Damn.
Fuck, dude. All right.
It sucks, dude. All the good ones grow up.
I know. You're going to see me.
You're going to see me in the jail log tomorrow. Okay, good.
I go to the red door or something tonight. Yeah, as long as you of all the good ones grow up man yeah they've had that term um yeah because there's so there's like um i mean i love jesse murph yeah i've been a jesse murph fan since before i should admit as an adult male it was like very strange to tell people that you were a fan.

Well, she's got the soul of like a 50-year-old, I feel like, or 60-year-old, 80.

It's insane.

I remember whenever I first heard her, I was like, wait, how old is she?

And she was probably 17, 18.

And I was like, wait, what?

And she's such a baller, man.

Like she walks in the room and it's just like her presence is so huge and she's just this little bitty thing dude you know but amazing amazing artist she's a fucking grenade dude she's insane and she's got that look in her eyes like she's just seen it all a million times that's what I'm saying she's like reincarnated bro she's like she. She's got it going on.
Yeah, she might be a refurb or whatever they call it, you know? Yeah. God.
Oh, God, y'all are beautiful. And I mean both of you, too.
I do want to say it like that. No, she's so talented, man.
That song gets stuck in my head, too, man. That high road gets stuck in my head.
I'll just be doing nothing or doing something. It'll come out of me, dude.
I remember at I was getting, I'm getting the IV I'm hung over as shit. Oh yeah, I saw you got it hung over.
And I'm just like, I'm just kind of watching the football game and I hear you coming down singing I wrote, I was like, Jesus Christ. Oh man.
And it was like, what were we doing? What was the stuff? Huh? The NAD. NAD.

Oh, yeah.

Remember, we were talking about it.

You were, like, doing however many milligrams.

Oh, yeah.

And I was doing, like, 75 or 100.

And I'm over there about to die.

And I just hear you coming down singing High Road.

And I'm like, God, shut up, please.

Oh, man.

It's just wild when you get one that gets stuck in your head.

Yeah, for sure.

And you wake up singing it.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's just all day to them. Yeah.
stuck in your head yeah for sure you wake up singing it and you can't get yeah it's just all day to them yeah yeah man it's it's wild man um what have i been watching i was watching that john benet rams you see that stuff i haven't seen it is it on netflix yeah i saw i haven't watched it it's just like refer rehab or dash and whatever happened in the law in the past you know yeah um is it kind of like who did it Are they still on that? Yeah, the dad, though, will now be interviewed. The dad is in it.
Okay. Oh, no shit.
Yeah. And the dad, I think that the dad, there's just a belief of mine.
I believe that the dad had had some kind of inappropriate attraction to the child, maybe. I don't know if I can legally say that or not It's just my belief And the mother had been envious of that The mother Unalived You have to say unalived now Unalived the child You can't say the other stuff Yeah they'll take us down The mother unalived the child And then they together figured out The right? And neither one of them could rat the other one out because they both had some connection.
I think he'd been appropriate. The mother got envious, put the daughter, was in all these pageants, all this weird stuff.
The mother did it on purpose of her accident, and then they both had to help each other cover it up. Did she, was she ever, she never served time or anything, did she? What? The mom? She never served time, no.
She ended up passing away of cancer, I believe. Oh, no shit.
But, um. I don't think I'm thinking of the same.
There's another one. You might be Casey Anthony.
Casey Anthony. She lives here.
Really? Yeah. What? Where does Casey Anthony live? You got to get her out to a show, dude.
I don't know about that one, bro. Jesus.

But she did.

Did she serve time?

I don't know.

Let me see.

Casey.

Where's Casey Anthony now?

That's a great question.

No, wait.

She's in Nashville on Broadway every night.

Just.

Jeez.

Leave them Broadway girls alone. That's what she's singing which is a little morose where does it say she lives you see anything on there move to Murfreesboro Tennessee where the fuck is that I mean it sounds like it's close yeah it's gotta be close wow what man I don't did they have any good big criminals in y'all's town? Any big crime going up over there in Pittsburgh, Texas? They said the Texas Chainsaw Massacre came through town, but, you know, who knows? Yeah, that could have just been...
Yeah, I mean, he could have been going through. That could have been a guy just repairing two-stroke motors, too.
You know what I'm saying? It could have been. He's still living in Pittsburgh,sburgh honestly honestly he probably is i think i know who it is too uh no they said uh bonnie and clive came through uh and one of the sheriffs there i mean pittsburgh was i mean it's still it's only like 4 000 people but they said they called them ahead of time or let them know somehow via pigeon or some shit and they were like hey get the fuck out we're coming through if you want to if you want to live just get out of my way yeah and they rolled through and then nobody gave them shit just like because they hit out and uh or they're from dallas i think or somewhere bunny and cloud from let's get a look at them pretty sure oak cliff south oak cliff hey bonnie was the looker i think yeah she was a smoke let's see let's get a look at him um get a look at him let's see images there bonnie and claude oh did you watch that one with uh emile hirsch uh is it good oh dude yeah it's like a three-part series oh i gotta watch that oh bro it's so good oh yeah, dude, you bet.
Bro, if she looks good even in that picture. I think Clydewood, he was a little bitty dude, too.
Oh, my God. Oh, there they are.
Imagine taking those pictures back in the day, dude. Like, hey, I'm going to hold this to you.
Get over there with the photo, like the picture. Yeah, and a smoke comes out of it.
It must have felt like Satan was doing it. It goes off and pull the trigger.

Yeah, they fucked him up.

Ooh, look at that.

That was in... Ambush.

Bainville Parish, I think.

On a Louisiana highway.

And they still have that car.

Yeah.

Where was that at?

I think it was in Bainville Parish.

Oh, yeah.

That sounds about right.

Yeah, it is a parish over there.

It's been 90 years since a posse of lawmen caught up with the outlaw couple Bonnie and Clyde. They were ambushed and killed on a North Louisiana road, but their story is still very much alive in Gibsland, Louisiana, is where it occurred at Bonnie and Clyde.
What kind of pieces of history from Bonnie and Clyde? What was their biggest heist? What was Bonnie and Clyde's biggest heist, I wonder? Where are you from, Louisiana? I'm from Covington, Louisiana. We didn't have anything.
Lee Harvey Oswald went to our middle school. That was our big thing.
Damn, that's pretty big. The gang robbed the first national bank in Stewart, Iowa in 1934.
They did some kidnapping. Kidnapping? I didn't know that.
But it says kidnapping of a man and woman oh that's not kidnapping just napping just making friends dude and some car theft damn they weren't even as bad as some of the these Travis Scott fans I feel like you need to watch that it's like a three part series it's got if you like Emile Hurst I love Emile Hurst oh yeah he's talented it's great man but it kind of went through their whole apparently it was pretty spot on from everything but yeah that'd be I wonder if I could do a good crime do you like like the like the history like the gangsters and stuff like Dillinger and all that shit yeah that's up my alley man baby face pretty boy fluid and all that oh yeah remember they used to have that what was that movie that had all those guys in it Public Enemy yeah yeah that was good a lot of good actors dude yeah I wonder if I could be a good criminal or not what kind of crime i would do i wouldn't do kidnapping because i don't want some dumb fucking kid around all the time that's that'd be annoying as fuck yeah you're like and you have to what then you're like and also you're gonna get caught you're gonna have to go to mcdonald's all the time or whatever that's a bad rap yeah we don't yeah no kids uh so yeah I would do something with adults probably. What's a good crime? Train robbing would be sick.
Dude, I think about that all the time. Like back in the gap, like cowboy days, dude.
Just pulling up on that thing. Just throwing up a dynamite in there and throwing it up.
And there's some rich guy just eating in the window or whatever. What the fuck's going on over here? Pop one off into him.
Just shoot right through his Salisbury steak or something. Next thing you know, you're in there.
But then you get in there and you have to look for the money. That's got to be the worst.
Somebody tell us what the fuck it is. But no, that's what...
Like a gunslinger back in the day, man, that'd be so sick. I know, it'd be so wild.
I was just reading about a lot of hookers and stuff that were on the... Like whenever they had Gold rush and stuff like that.
A lot of hookers started up some big madaming and stuff out there when there's gold rush towns. And it was pretty wild and they would, you know, they get other women to work for them and stuff like that.
It's just kind of fascinating to learn about. But yeah, I wonder if I could do a good you know what would be a good crime? I think get a air balloon drop in that way nobody sees that shit coming no absolutely like first be like what the fuck is happening yeah yeah I don't know with drones and shit probably you couldn't get away with that back in the gap yeah but yeah drones wonderful be able to travel by drone they have that stuff now where you can kind of...
I saw one the other day. It's like somebody sits in it and it's got the blades.
Don't look too safe, though. How many beers do I need before I get in this thing? Especially if your buddy gets a hold of that remote for 30 seconds, dude.
He's taking you right into some power lines, dude. He's done some fucked up shit to me.
Let me see it, bro. You would have done the same for me, buddy.
Yeah. Especially if you're wearing like a Vols jersey or something, he just takes you around.
He takes you in Athens, Georgia. That's what I'm talking about, yes.
See, that shit don't look safe. Oh, hell no.
That looks like something Kid Rock would buy. Kid Rock has one right now, bro.
We hear it. It just pulls up.
That thing runs on probably diesel or something. Kerosene.
It just runs on some of Kid Rock's bad music, too. Kid Rock, dude.
Every time you play ball with a ball, it fucking takes off. Balls.
I'm joking, Bob. I'm joking, dude.
Oh, Bob, man. He loves to have a good time, man.

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You ever ready to cancel a show out there on tour?

Anything ever happen to you?

Yeah.

I don't like to do it, man.

We haven't done it a whole lot. I think we didn't have to cancel any on this tour uh oh yeah festival i got sick for and then whenever y'all the hurricane came through we had a cancel show we had to reschedule but uh last year during the helpaso tour man like i said it was crazy i would just get you know the whiskey and everything i give up whiskey by the way this year i stopped drinking whiskey switched to tequila but uh you know last year with the hell pass i do it i was just i get to a point where i couldn't talk you know and i would just be giving it everything just to say a sentence or whatever and we had to cancel a couple and that that sucked so after that dude i was like no more you know so you set that whiskey down dude as much as i love it it's just man it's rough on me man and like you know i can drink tequila and not feel half as bad as yeah whiskey well your legs don't work as good in your neck hey dude yeah you get that that 15 gallon head bro somebody starts swimming back and forth and like i'll be like a cat like i hit the ground and bounce up really quick and think that nobody noticed but i'm so big and just shake shit off the wall and be like what the fuck is up with this guy like chris farley just laying it on a table that's nine lives man wow dude oh they kicked you out i remember that one actually dude i remember oh yeah when they kicked me out yeah that's fun bro yeah your whole journey so you guys do such a good job of sharing your journey honestly like on uh social media dude i feel like you guys are just really earnest about everything that happens in y'all's world yeah you know a lot of people don't really operate that way you know you guys are just really uh i think clear to your fans and stuff do you feel like um and that i think that alone kind of keeps you away from being like a mainstream thing you know because you don't have a pr guy telling you it is or telling you that yeah for sure and it's like and with the fans too it's not like if i were to do something that's kind of like they're not gonna be shocked by it you know like oh you know fuck over doing that you know it's i mean it's kind of been our thing from the get goes kind of be ourselves you know like we're not gonna change for anybody we're not gonna act like somebody that we're not you know so uh i think that's kind of been it and you know people have kind of embraced us for for doing that and that's kind of like you know puts us apart from from other people you know i think oh yeah so um yeah i don't know i mean some of it maybe maybe wouldn't, would rather it not be out there, but, you know, it's just life, man.
Yeah, it's the realness, though. Yeah, man, for sure.
And it makes it, it really makes it you. It's like, that is him.
It's like, that is his world. And it's really the world that most people can relate to.
Who can relate to some type of perfect, polished fucking, that's unrealistic. There's got to be some excitement a little bit, you know? There's got to be a little bit of excitement, a little bit of spice.
Somebody's got to go missing. You know what I'm saying? Somebody's got to go to jail.
We've got to figure out where this dude is. Yeah, you guys have always kind of been in like and kind of put in this outlaw country type of place, you know? Yeah.
Do you feel like there's still a lot of outlaws in the business? Do you feel like it's growing? Do you feel like it's changing? What do you think? Who were the outlaws? Who were your outlaws at first? Man, yeah, I think there's some outlaws out there for sure. Maybe not that are as big, I would say, but there's definitely some dogs out there.
Man, I don't know. Kind of hard to...
I don't know. Who do you say is a dog out there, man? Paul Cawthon.
Paul Cawthon is about as close to... Do you know who Paul Cawthon is? I've heard of him.
He's about as close to Outlaw as I get, man. He doesn give he doesn't give a fuck dude he's uh my dog yeah he's uh he's a beast man his music's great uh i mean he lives what he writes man he's he's uh he's definitely an outlaw right now man gang yeah i'd like to get to meet that man dude you you've gotta you gotta have him on man he is he is his own person and dude he's a he's a legend he's one-on-one huh absolutely man he's texas legend for sure i think there's a lot of guys that still i mean in a weird way there's a there are a lot of people kind of do it their own way now because they make their own road yeah like with social media especially and just filming your own content or behind the scenes or whatever, you make your own shit now.

It's not like you need to have some big producer help you do it.

Yeah.

Like I've said before, I don't think the word outlaw is what it used to be.

You know, like I think it's kind of doing what you're talking about, just going out and doing everything your own way, you know, paving your own road and just kind of being a trailblazer pretty much. You know, I think that's, ain't going to be considered as being an outlaw.
Because it's not, it's not the 80s anymore. You know, we can't get, you can't get away with a whole lot of shit these days, man.
Everybody's a narc. Dude, man.
Dude, remember when they had fucking narcs and shit, dude? Dude, first of all, the shittiest job you could get in high school was being a fucking narc. Dude, that's weird.
Bro, they gave you a little card. It was like, congratulations.
Thank you. You're a narc.
Yeah, yeah. And it set it on the card.
And I was like, that's the one thing you can't put on the card, dude. And then that dude would try to arrest people at a party or something.
People would beat the shit out of him. Get the fuck away from me school's out bitch

and then it would take the cops like three weeks to have a meeting with the kid or whatever and it's just the whole system oh man that's why yeah i wish uh i could go back you think about like the motley crew days like the 80s bro did you didn't did you live through the 80s i was alive but yeah them, but yeah, I was small. Yeah, yeah, you were younger.
But yeah, I mean, you talk to guys like, like I remember my first concert I went to was Marilyn Manson, right? And this dude took us and yeah, and he was like a, I guess he was like a pedophile or whatever. We didn't know he was, right? So he was just a guy we knew who was also a pedophile, but we didn't know that part.
But anyway, he took us over. He's like, I'll get y'all tickets to Marilyn Manson.
We just started listening to him, dude. And I think we're probably about 14.
And this dude dropped us off there. And we're the only people underage that were in there.
I think it was probably an 18 show. And Manson cut open Twiggy Ramirez or like one of his uh one of the other band members with a bottle somebody cut one of the band members cut themselves open or cut another one open with a bottle on stage he was like bleeding everywhere the ambulance had to come it was I bet y'all were like holy shit it was awesome dude we're in the bathroom peeing and somebody somebody goes, what are these kids doing in here? Oh, my God.

And then somebody else from another stall goes, don't worry.

Somebody will ****.

Oh, my God.

That's what somebody said, dude.

The first red flag should have been this dude just getting y'all

Maryland matching tickets.

Yeah.

I'm like, oh, my God.

Richard Slangenstein was his name, bro.

Did he go in with y'all?

No, no, no, no. He went to gamble.
Pull him up, Richard Slangenstein was his name did he go in with y'all no no no he went to gamble pull him up Richard Slangenstein pull him up and he was just a real oh he's a known pedophile oh yeah yeah he was he hadn't won awards or whatever but he was he was in the trenches or whatever him? No, maybe there's more than one of him.

Jesus.

That guy up there with the father up there.

We can't show the wrong one.

That guy.

That looks like.

Oh, that's a, yeah, that's a liberal.

Oh, man. That's all that is, dude.

Yeah, Theo.

He got Theo pulls up.

That guy's a bookie.

Hold on. That one guy's a bookie.
Go back. Yeah, that guy's just a bookie.
Up one? No, right? Right there. Yeah.
That guy's just taking wagers on the Jets, dude. Yeah.
We have to take some of this out because we just accused a lot of guys of being pedophiles. But no, old Slangenstein.
He wasn't bad. He was what he was.
Slangenstein. That's what they called him.
But yeah, that was my first show. What was yours, man? First show? Do you really remember? Yeah, I mean, so my mom played.
She'd do like old Opry houses and stuff like that. She was a singer? Yeah, she sang and just played with like a bunch of old, drunk, honky-tonk dudes, right? I'd be that little shithead kid,

like running up and down the hall,

throwing popcorn at people.

And yeah, so I mean, I was around music growing up,

but I think my first actual concert was Stoney LaRue.

You ever heard of Stoney LaRue?

Bring him up.

He's a man or woman?

Dude.

He's like a, he's Red Dirt King, man, Oklahoma cat.

There he is. Wow.
And you need to get into his music, man. He's phenomenal.
And it was at the Waco Fairgrounds. My cousins were going to Baylor.
I think I was like sixth or seventh grade maybe, and these college girls come up to me like, hey, what's going on? And my cousin, her friend steps in she's like hey babe here's your beer and like just trying to deter them or whatever and i take this beer and i hammer it and they're like all right whatever she's like what the fuck are you doing we're supposed to drink that beer i'm like so we get back to the hotel that night when mom beats my ass it's all good oh yeah but i'll never forget it yeah texas moon stonyoney LaRue and is he still alive? oh good yeah he's got some bangers that warms my heart dude I just saw Struggle Jennings play we were playing in the same town I haven't met the show yet him and Jelly Roller are friends. And Yellow Wolf.
That whole gang, remember? That was really that white sort of, yeah. That Slimerican, that sort of fucking missing person.
I like Wolf, man. Oh, yeah.
All of that. Yellow Wolf, Jelly Roll.
I used to listen to Pop the Trunk before football games, man. and just like, yeah.
All of that. Yellow Wolf, Jelly Roll.
Catfish Billy, bro. Oh.
I used to listen to Pop the Trunk before football games, man. And it's like.
Oh, I don't know if there is a better anthem, dude. Dude, it's so good.
Yeah, dude. They even had Jelly Roll out there, Yellow Wolf.
We even saw Jelly Wolf was out there. We're like, who the fuck is that? It's just some.
It's just some dude in ICP. Yeah, dude.
It's just. It was Jelly Wolf.
Yeah. It was a St.
Bernard with a couple of face tattoos on him. Oh, man.
Driving a Cybertruck. Well, we saw Struggle Man.
It was awesome to go see him. He puts on a great show.
Where was it? I feel like it was in Montana somewhere where we got to go meet him backstage after with his crew. He's got a great group.
See who's performing with him real quick? Who's out there on the road with the – I mean, that's another ally right there. I mean – With Struggle Jennings.
Yeah, he's been out there doing it, man. He's been out there doing it.
Yeah, and, you know, there's something also about when you have a um when you're not as mainstream yeah that there's a real relationship between you and your fans yeah for sure caitlin curtis and brianna harness or brianna harness i don't know if that's the newest tour or not is that tom mcdonald oh yeah it it might be. Is he the rapper? They had a song together, I think.
Yeah, he's cool. Oh, Tommy Vex, dude? It's Tommy Vex.
Wow, bro, that's crazy. I know him.
I know him. That's just crazy.
Well, it's amazing who you see on google of who you know um rock music yeah he's a rock dog right there oh yeah for sure um yeah there's something nice about when something is uh still grassroots yeah for sure that you feel this weird thing it's like it's like. Yeah, and I feel like it gives the fans like more of a connection, you know, like that he's one of us, you know, like that type shit.
You go see him and they're like, man, he's one of us, dude. He's the same.
Good will God will one of us. We accept you, one of us.
What is that? The Wolf Wall Street, when they're sitting there. You never see that? I've seen it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what, he's in a wheelchair? What happened? I don't know.
God. I think this one ever talking about the little people, strapping them to the board.
Oh, yeah. And sliding them down at the pins.
Different times, dude. When was, that would have been early 90s, late 80s.
Yeah. Oh, dude, if I was backed in, I would have definitely been doing,

I'm not going to say it out loud.

I'll spell it real quick in case there's any kids listening to the cars anywhere.

M-U-R-D-E-R-S.

And that's what I would have been doing.

But now they catch you.

You can't even do no good crime anymore.

You can't.

That's the thing.

We've taken a lot of fun out of it.

You can't be a train robber.

The horse will rat you out now. It's like, and it's only for like a little bit like five years at a time ten years at a time until it blows up and it's like oh man you missed that you know like what do you mean i mean just like like train robbing or like robbing shit or whatever or you know partying really fucking hard in the 80s and then just slowing down and people part i just i wonder who part the hardest.
We had Tommy Lee on one time. He's the fucking greatest, dude.
I'm a big Molly Crew guy. Bro, they were so good.
Girls, girls, girls. Oh, yeah.
Girls, girls, girls. God, dude.
I can't even imagine. And he was good looking.
Yeah. That was the deal.
They had everything had everything bro imagine being famous and then also being good looking like what a lucky time i think tommy was he was really young too right whenever all that was going on yeah imagine having all that all that going on at 21 20 bro i wouldn't be alive i would not there no way. I wouldn't be alive.
Like Columbia, people from Columbia or whatever, the ambassador, they're always sending me these, come down to Columbia. We'd love to have you down here, I guess.
Yeah, I don't want to be there, bro. I'm like, dude, they're like, we'll give you five free tickets to Columbia.
I'm like, dude, I will fucking. If they do holler at me, I'll go.
I will die down there, bro.

I fucking go into Colombia.

They said it's actually really nice to go to these days.

I'm sure it is.

But I think it's, yeah.

I just think they want to do ransoms or whatever.

That's the thing.

So they try to get you down there.

Oh, yeah. Fuck that.

And they want to do ransoms.

I don't know.

Yeah, I would not make it down there.

Dude, if I even grew up in Colombia, I would get an eight ball for like my

seventh birthday.

I would fucking

and it would be lights out,

bro. We're mainlining this shit.

It's my birthday. What's the town

in Texas? We got some shows coming up in Texas. We're going to

Benton. Benton, Texas?

Yeah.

We're going to Texas A&M over there.

Nice. Where are you at in College Station? Not sure.
There's a new casino in Benton. Oh, no shit.
Yeah. Is it? Oh, Belton.
Sorry. Belton.
Yeah, yeah. Belton.
They keep changing the name of it. Belton's out there by Waco.
Yeah, we're going over to Belton. Waco is where, so when Parker was on, he told you this story about that strip club or whatever we went to and yeah that's right outside of Waco is it a good spot no it's the shittiest strip club in the world is that the best one you've ever been to you think strip club yeah absolutely no but it needed it needed to be redecorated I guess and so I just I gave it to him but who the fuck is even is even decorating? There were just mirrors everywhere.
And I was like, man, fuck one of these mirrors. Dude, I found, I found the pictures.
But he was talking about like us kicking holes in the drywall and shit. And so somebody had found them and sent them to me.
And I was like, oh, fuck, just uh it's kind of like passed out next to them chalk like drywall everywhere wow what we had some good times i've been to some i'm trying to think of one oh in shreveport louisiana that is strip club and they had a woman in there just built like a damn senator or whatever is that the one uh Minotaur. Pull up Sinitar Minotaur.
One of them's on

Test 200, I think. I don't remember which one it is, but one of them.
Which one is that? Centaur, yeah. Centaur.
This lady was centaured up. She was definitely.
It's probably Larry Flintz in Shreveport larry flintz is pretty good this was not that good this was uh this lady looked like a damn off-duty pony she just had like like a monday night oh bro and she was on the tallest heels ever she was trying to make herself look taller i think she was hurt them heels bro them bitches were i mean they if you took they had the little sticker on them with like they say on the top of a ladder do not step right here that was all them bitches dude oh she was in them god there's some nerve-wracking singer up there. You spend a lot of time in Louisiana.

Over the years, I have.

I used to go to comedy clubs there.

You know what's kind of sad

is you go to clubs

and over the years,

they close down.

Yeah.

Is that the same with music?

Yeah.

I mean, kind of the same.

I mean,

there's like,

businesses really don't last

a whole lot,

like a long time over there

for some reason.

I don't know why.

I mean,

it's kind of everywhere

in Louisiana, East Texas, like, you know, unless they're established or a big chain, they just, they don't last for some reason. I don't know what it is.
That's a good point, man. Yeah, I always wanted to go to Longview.
I never got there. Yeah, see, that's, every time I went to like the mall and somewhere nice to eat or whatever, we'd have to go to Longview to go, so.
Yeah. I grew up, how far did you grow up from shreveport uh like four hours yeah okay so you're like middle of them yeah i'm a little i'm like i'm north of new orleans about one hours okay so our town's pretty normal about four thousand about same time as same size as your town yeah kind of a perfect size for a town i love it dude there was nothing better dude because you were just there was like two there was enough there was nothing better, dude.
Because you were just, there was enough, there was just enough people to make things interesting. Yeah.
Like you knew everybody, but the select few you didn't know, you kind of made up your own stories. It was kind of like, kind of mysterious.
Like, I wonder what they do. Why don't they come to church? Yeah.
Oh, yeah. We had a dude that had a, they bought him a bike and he was he might have been mentally disabled or something but he might not have been right we don't know him and but his bike had a baby seat on the back of it so there was this story that like he had a kid that had like uh gone missing or whatever and he would always riding around it was like a sad man whose wife had left him after the baby had been missing or whatever.
And that's what people thought for years. And it was like people would like pray for him when he drove by or whatever.
Or give him milk money, all kinds of shit. Leave pies in his yard and stuff.
And then years later, we found out he's just a mentally handicapped guy and somebody had gotten him a used bike that had a baby seat on it off the side. He just didn't know how to take it off.
Yeah. And we were like, we fucking gave that dude a lot of dessert.
We gave him a lot of dessert. The prayers were used though.
That was good, man. But it was so sad.
He would always be in the distance looking at us when we we got off the school bus i think he just wanted yeah i think he just wanted buddies you know oh man dude that's good but it's so crazy just because of that story we didn't know we thought he was this sad so you come up with all these different you know scenarios and stories and shit and then it's kind of like it just becomes like a big fable like it's, oh man. But you have a town that's just big enough to support that kind of, where there's like just enough room for rumors to happen.
Oh, 100%. You can't get over like the gossip, all of the drama and shit like that.
And I remember when I was a kid, you would hear like an older kid's name. Like he was like two years older, three or four years older.
And you're like, oh, that's the toughest guy in the whole world. Yeah, don't mess with him, dude.
Yeah. He's so cool.
That was crazy, dude. That was fun being young.
It was, man. That shit was the best.
Yeah, you said your parents were kind of strict growing up. No.
And were they two-year siblings as well or just you? No, just me, honestly, man. I think you were just a bad kid.
I was kind of a little shithead growing up, man. I love how he's like, you know, it was kind of strict on me.
I mean, but like, I mean, I was always well-mannered, you know. Are you one of the most likable guys? You were by far one of the guys anywhere.
I have never heard anyone say anything uncomplimentary about Coet Wetzel except your parents I guess except for Gary Dale just whooping the shit out of me but no I mean I guess as like a little kid I was kind of a turd because I mean I was the only kid until I was 8 years old so I didn't know no better and then presley came up and my younger sister zoe but uh why'd they wait eight years do you think any word on that i don't know man i i have no idea that's rare kind of after well yeah whenever it happened i was like bro like this yeah yeah because yeah they had enough yeah for sure but uh yeah i don't know they were super strict on middle sister, I mean, not really. And then Zoe Kaye, they just let her run ragged, bro.
Is she all right? Oh, she's a sweetheart. She's an angel, man.
Married or not? Not married. Super smart.
Yeah, she's almost done with college. Oh, God.
I got to get a wife. I think you're going to be one of the first Wetzels to graduate college.
Shout out ZK. Let's get a picture of her.
Zoe. Zoe K.
Yeah. Zoe K.
Wetzel. Yeah, dude.
Yeah. She's graduating.
Yeah, man. I think she's got like a couple semesters left.
Oh, hell yeah. Zoe K graduate where she graduated from uh so she went to she went to texas tech she got her uh associates in texas tech at texas tech and then oh yeah red raider country that's cliff kingsbury country over there and then my home's, isn't it? Mahomes, you bet.

Yeah, and so now she's just finishing up nursing school.

Oh, she's going to be a nurse? No way.

She wants to be a nurse practitioner.

And so I was like, you know what?

Fuck it. Do the whole thing.
Might as well.

Yeah, be a fucking

be the Carmelo Anthony of nurses.

You know what I'm saying? Be like a

Go be a doctor.

Yeah, be the best one. Yeah, try to get some scripts.
You know what I mean? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Hell yeah.
Too much of this. Yeah, I'm sick of buying this shit that's been stepped on.
This is something for these shady-ass motherfuckers. Oh, for sure, dude.
I want that governmental stuff, baby. I'm tired of buying shit behind McDonald's.
Come on. Yeah, my sister's a nurse.
I just asked her she's like what do you want for Christmas? I said I want some Toradol shots. So if my back gets bad on the road I can just use them.
Even if I'm not hurting whenever I'm getting out of here I'm like give me some of that Toradol. Put it in.
Oh yeah. Give me all the goods.
That's how I'll do it. Yeah I got to get a wife man next year.
That's one of my. 2020 wife, that's what I'm calling it.
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Were your parents kind of like, were they like, okay, Coe, what are you doing here, buddy? You need to get you a, you need to fill out an application somewhere, Bubba. Yeah, so I mean.
How have they supported your music over the years? What's that been like? Yeah, I mean, they've always been super supportive. But obviously, you know, them being parents, they were like, I remember whenever I was in, I got kicked out of school at Tarleton State.
Oh, yeah. And so, you know, and they like to come in and check on me like once a year or whatever.
Who do your parents? Yeah, my parents. And so I'm living basically in a garage garage on a couch in a garage at one of my buddy's house and they like they like come in and it's like and i'm i'm i was sick for some reason i had like a flu or something but i don't have no money to go get no meds or something so they come up take care of me and they're like oh we're coming up and they walk in this garage and there's like the cats running around and shit i'm just kind of like laid up on the couch like uh we ain't doing this shit like what is wrong with you bro i was like uh well i'm sick right now they're like well this is not gonna happen anymore but i was too i was too proud to be like to ask them for money and shit you know because i just i didn't want to go that route and so you were out of school at that point i was out of of school.
Did they know you were out of school or no? Yeah, they knew. And this was kind of like.
Now, did you graduate or no? You were just taking a break? No, no, they kicked me out. They said, get the fuck out of here.
Force break. Yeah.
And so this is like two or probably three years, probably 2014-ish. And we're, you know, we're traveling.
We're making, we're not making great money, but we're making enough for me to pay rent on a couch in a garage and so they were like you know my dad he's working construction he's like you know come back you make pretty good money a couple years you know you can be a superintendent you'll run a crew like me i'm like ah you know that sounds great but you know and i've got buddies that are out in the oil field you know making damn good money and it's just it was kind of a shitty shitty time in my life but i think that kind of that stuff right there is kind of what helped build me to what i am today you know it made me you know hard shelled you know um it kind of makes me appreciate everything that i've got going on now a little bit more you know having to go through go through those times. But, uh, yeah, my parents, they were like,

this is, this is not cool. So you need to figure it out.
Like,

if you're going to do it, you know, do it. So, uh, man, they've been super supportive the entire time.
So it's been great.

Do you have any songs that are like about your mother or dad or anything?

Oh, no, surprisingly, I don't. I've got a shit ton of songs.

So I'll probably write one now. They're going to be watching.
They'll be like, no, we don't. I've got a shit ton of songs, so I'll probably write one now.

They're going to be watching.

They'll be like,

no, we don't have a fucking song about this.

You know what?

Yeah, you just never know

because sometimes it's interesting

where people find,

how they find,

it's kind of hard to write a song,

like you see a lot of songs

that are kind of love ballads,

you know?

Yeah, for sure.

But it's hard to write one that,

Morgan has that one,

what's it like? Oh, that's a banger. Oh yeah, I thought you should know.
Oh yeah, that Morgan has that one. What's it like?

Oh, that's a banger.

Oh, yeah.

I thought you should know.

That's a banger.

And I think there's a lot of people out there that want to have a song like that.

I think it also touched on a nerve.

It's like there's not really that son to mother song out there.

Or son to father song.

There's some of those more probably.

That's a hard song to write, though.

I feel like those songs are hard to write.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, morgan songs a little banger i mean i've mentioned my parents in songs before but i just haven't wrote a song about them you know yeah maybe it'll happen look it's things happen as they happen but it's just yeah i never really thought that it's kind of tough to create that's a tough one to kind of make yeah i think that's why that one hit me so hard i think a morgan's just was because it did uh yeah you just don't oh it brings home for i mean pretty much everybody you know um you guys toured together some yeah we did uh at&t with them uh this year bro that was awesome how cool was that that's what i told him i was like man i appreciate you having me out to any of the shows would have been great but to play cowboy stadium you know,boys my team you know rep dallas uh and so just dude bro i got out there and like that's kind of what i was like i couldn't even like comprehend what was going on the whole time i'm just like staring around and looking trying to take it all in bro it was like what is going on man it was it was insane it was something i'll never forget you know i can't thank morgan enough for having us yeah it's so just to be able to do that dude that's so crazy to have that moment to go walk out there oh man it was just like you just like kept like i've never even been on the field before right like you just kept looking at like people all the way up you're like oh what i was like you know i've been kicked out of the stadium a few times this was, we had to get a couple signatures to get me in over there.
Dude, I'm in the back. They're like, what the fuck? Who let him back in here? Yeah, bro.
That's so great. Has Dears toured? Now, I'm guessing it's probably expanded.
I know that you had an audience that was outside of Texas, for sure. I know you have a, have had a strong grassroots audience for a long time and even bigger than grassroots.
I don't mean to use those terms to sound like it isn't. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
I'm not trying to like. No, no.
Okay. But now have you found that you're touring places that are outside of places you didn't think you would go before? Because that's when things are like, wow, this is kind of crazy.
Yeah, for sure. And, I mean, we've been doing it for a while, you know, outside of Texas.
I think we got outside of Texas probably 17, 18. But, I mean, even now, whenever we go to new places that are sold out, it's kind of like, man, this is crazy, you know.
You kind of step back and you're like, shit, this is pretty wild. But, yeah, it's – I mean, we just got done with Europe.
We were over there. We did UK.
No way. Yeah, that was, all the shows were sold out, dude.
You all go to Manchester, London?

Manchester, London, Glasgow.

Yeah.

All of them.

Glasgow?

Leeds, I think, Leeds.

Oh, yeah.

Then we did Amsterdam.

Then we did Germany.

Bro, it was wild.

Wow.

Have you ever been to Europe before?

We did an acoustic run over there back in like 2018 so but we haven't been back since and so a lot of the fans were like we're fans of the older music you know like they dug on the new stuff but like they were singing everywhere to all the old shit so I was like fuck yeah so wow it was a great time man that's so sick we got to get back in like the smaller rooms too so and you're going to australia soon too huh yeah we'll be there in march i think in march so it's so i've never been to australia i'm ready it's so great dude we rented bikes one day on the beach right you could just rent like these beach cruiser bikes you know or just like these motorized bikes you know we rented some, and they, you can take them out on the beach. And literally, it's just the most beautiful beach.
Nobody's out there, and you're just ripping these bitches, dude. I just heard it's kind of like Texas, honestly.
Like, Australia and Texas have, like, this thing together. It's your biggest following episode.
Really? Nice. Hell yeah.
That's awesome. shout out australia bro there's nothing like australia uh the fuck they're and the people and the women are and everybody's good over there they're great they're great and everybody's good over there and when i was over there we went and saw one night we saw um matchbox 20 and google dolls at a show we popped over there and checked that out for a little bit we went to a uh fred again show over there dj he's a dj that was pretty hype were you were you doing shows over there yeah nice what are we're all you we went to everywhere except for perth we have to go back and go to perth i might go to sydney and perth or if if we're able to yeah dude you have to be on my to be on My friend Sean and Marley Are you going to be in Sydney? Queensland What is Queensland? Is that the beach? We're hoping to get a couple more shows over there So if we are we need to get on that You need to go on my buddy Sean and Marley's show, dude.
Let me know. Bring it up.

Bring it up.

Bring it up Sean and Marley.

Is it like a podcast?

No, they do Sean and Marley.

There they are right there.

Sean and Marley.

Oh, shit.

Yes.

Fuck yeah, dude.

My dog.

Dude.

You got to go.

And make a Texas dish with them.

They're great.

Yes.

Hell yeah.

Do some chicken fried steak with them, bro.

Hell yeah.

Yeah, dude.

They are legends.

Get down with Sean and Marley.

All right. And make a Texas dish with them.
They're great. Yes.
Hell yeah. Do some chicken fried steak with them, bro.
Hell yeah. Yeah, dude.
They are legends. Get down with Sean and Marley.
I didn't know they were in Australia. They were on Hot Wings? No way.
Bring it up. Hi, Darian and Marley.
Welcome to the Hot Wings program. What? Cheese.
Cheers. You and Marley look a little bit like, I look like Sean.
We should do our own show like this. I look like Sean.
Theo and Co. That guy's getting, whoa.
I call the fire department. Wow.
Have you been on Hot On ones? Yeah, I was on there years ago. How was that? It's fun.
But I didn't think it was that hot, to be honest with you. I mean, we're used to that shit, though.
Yeah, dude. One of them, I'll say this.
One of them, it's more like, it's not really a sauce. It's more like something you clean the bathroom with.
You know what I'm saying? Hey, y'all are fucking cheating right here. This is fucking, yeah.

Well, I saw it for like tepateo and shit like that.

I was like, what?

We put that on eggs in the morning, you know?

Yeah, some of it was easy,

and in some of it you're like,

oh, they're using this to take rust off of the tire well.

You know what I'm saying?

Like this shit is fucking next level, dude.

What's like the hot, like, what is,

what's an area of Texas that you think has the best food?

You've been all over there.

Either Austin, San Antonio's got some really good food, man.

Mexican food, San Antonio for sure.

Austin just has everything, bro.

Like, barbecue, Mexican food, obviously.

Fort Worth, man, Fort Worth is lights out out El Paso's got really good food yeah what's up with El Paso it always gets a weird rap I feel like it's kind of this mystery I think they want to keep it a mystery man because there's so much shit going on because it's right there next to Juarez Juarez is a no no you play Juarez we haven't but I mean it's like they tell you not to to go over there or whatever but I had a buddy he went over there like a month ago or a month two months ago and he was like yeah we just walked across and went and ate and had a couple beers and came back over I was like dude what but yeah man El Paso we record out there in Tornillo just south of El Paso Tornillo it's called Tornillo, just south of El Paso. Tornillo it's called? Tornillo, yeah.
And it's a great time with food out there. Phenomenal.
It's really good. Best Mexican food you'll probably ever eat.
Outside of El Paso? Outside of El Paso, in El Paso. In El Paso.
Yeah. If you're there, hit me up.
I'll send you some raves. Yeah.
What do you think about now with music kind of moving forward? What do you kind of at I mean you guys are touring off of Nine Lives now And then do you start to think about What do you kind of think about I know you have a Christmas album that's coming out Yeah We have it coming out here in a couple days I guess Yeah Friday And then January man Just came back in the studio starting to write we'll start writing tomorrow for that actually stay here and then January just came back in the studio trying to do the same thing I guess yeah just that we got a lot of festivals this year coming up and then I don't know a couple surprises yeah yeah we're excited about it man it's it's uh this year was it was wild man for us it was it was insane it was and this year went by so fucking quick like dog how is that what is that about i don't know maybe that's another part of getting older but i just feel like it was new year's eve and now we're back at christmas again you know it was so fast dude i think people are living fast too because that covet or whatever i think people are like trying to live as much as they can yeah yeah maybe that's it i don't know but it was i just looked up and i was like because the tour went by tour went by i mean we were on the road for three months and it went by super quick you know and i was looking forward to europe and europe went by quick and i was like holy shit so i don't know man uh just getting back out there putting out some more music trying to you know keep the fans happy it all happens so fast it does man it's kind of weird how even like you could be dreaming or hoping about something and it's like the most important thing in the world and then it comes and it's gone comes and it's like now what do i gotta look forward to you know it's weird it's just kind of yeah like i'll i'm always pinning like my not necessarily my happiness but like i'll be pinning like a lot of my excitement on one day or one moment and there's such a build-up of it but then once it's gone it's just like it never even happened kind of was it I have the same shit man I'll get so fixated on some shit you know and then once it's there try to relish it for as long as you can but it goes by so quick they gotta get you on game day down there man I know it man that'd be a fun one did you do that? is that with Pat? yeah it like a year ago. It was crazy.
Dude, they called literally the night before, like 10 o'clock, like you want to come on tomorrow? And I was like, alright, dude. I wouldn't put me on.
Dude, we were talking about that at lunch. Like Pat is just like completely.
Oh, that guy's unreal. Dude, he's insane.
He's the most, that guy's unreal, dude. There's nobody like Pat McAfee, man.
He's like the male Caitlin Clark of his job. Yeah, man.
He is. Yeah, they should have you down there next year on that Red River rivalry.
Or the Texas versus A&M. A&M.
Did you watch that the other night? It was great. Yeah, man.
I think that was the first time in, what, like 11 or 12 years that they played. And everybody was— People were stoked.
Texas was on cloud 10, man. We were fired up.
People were stoked, man. What a great place to be from.
Yeah, for sure. Because Texas, I feel like if people start to divide off into their own states, that's going to be the state a lot of people are going to want to go live in for sure well hell like everybody's starting to move down you know you got all these people from california and i mean it's kind of like nashville you know everybody's moving to nashville as well but um are you coming are you coming to texas i'm coming to look at a place there in austin nice man fuck you i need to get just i want to be closer to like a yeah at this i would to have, to be able to be in both places, you know? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Because I find myself, I've had an apartment in Los Angeles for a while for this whole year. I've probably been there.
Are you still got a place back in LA? But three weeks I've been there. Whole year.
It's, yeah, I think being able to bounce back and forth from here and there would be dope. Yeah.
And you've been awesome, right? It's got everything, man.

It's badass.

It's fun.

You can still get mugged a little while like that.

Still, yeah.

Still got to hold on to your wallet.

Oh, yeah.

If there ain't no crime, the food ain't that good. You got to have crime to have food.

It's too wide for me.

Yeah, dude.

If you don't have some good crime.

Yeah, what we're going to do, what did you, Cam had asked me about doing the 12 days of Christmas for that thing what were we supposed to do just read it I was going to have you read it but I should have thought about it we could do it now we're good I don't know if I had to go to a studio or something I was just kind of overwhelmed I hit him up and I was like this is kind last notice like if you do one next year i'll be happy to do it yeah for sure we'll uh we'll get together also because i wanted to find a way to make it funny but i was just like i'm fucking burnt out i told i was like man he's like what's kind of like the overall deal i was like just telling to be himself you know i just wanted you we got a you know ben burg Ben to do it, yeah. And, you know, Ben.
Bring him up. Bring him a picture of him.
Ben is, he's his own person, bro. And he went in there and did his, like, Texas draw and shit on it.
Oh, dude, he's a very famous songwriter, isn't he? Yeah, he's a bad cat, man. He's, like, the greatest one, isn't he? Yeah, I love old Burgess.
Wow. I met him years ago with charles kelly i think at some event that they had josh kelly years ago yeah he's a bad dude man yeah he's the guy well he uh he got in there and he read it like he was reading it to his grandchildren or some shit dude sounds good he did yeah it's cool well if you guys need somebody next year man i was gonna say otherwise we could

just record it right here i just didn't i think know what to do yeah no um yeah what do you do yeah with the christmas album so what is it's just like i heard some of the ones from last year i saw like you guys had a cool animation that was online yeah like you in the back of a santa sleigh and stuff it's just like just some like reimagined songs like we just basically like covering them I'm just making them ours.

And like chestnuts roasting on like a

on a bottle of Fireball or something? Yeah, fucking barbecue pit or some shit. Oh, yeah.
It kind of gives us something to do at the end of the year. We're usually not in the studio, so it just kind of gives us reason.
And it's something that people can go back to every single Christmas so I don't know do you when you start thinking about like what are things you feel like are missing from your own life do you feel oh is that a weird question I don't know I've been getting a lot of those today very intimate questions I don't know man I mean you just hit such a neat place in your career. Yeah, for sure.
I don't think it's anything career-wise. I don't know.
It's just always go, go, go. And I don't know.
I think not having maybe the alone time or whatever it is, just to kind of reset. I was with bobby and them earlier and we were talking about it and that was kind of one of the things i don't is just i like i like being like i'm a loner you know and because i'm always surrounded around people and stuff but i like to have the time to myself just to kind of relax and reset and do all that shit so i don't know i don't know what know what it's missing.
Life's good, man. Life's good.
Yeah, and that's a good point too. Sometimes it doesn't have to be.
Sometimes I'll like, I feel like I always need to have an answer for that question. I didn't even realize that till just now.
Yeah, for sure. And then I'm kind of setting myself up for failure in a little bit of a way because I'm always thinking that there's something missing.
Yeah. Yeah, that could be a problem.
i mean uh but sometimes when when life is as good as you think it is maybe it's not you know so i don't know do you i it must be inspiring to see your career evolve continue to evolve right and grow your fan base continue to grow because then you start thinking well what can i do you know like not you don't think that before but you're like okay how can i challenge myself now how can i what else could i maybe i've got here you know where else could i go or what else could i do yeah that's kind of interesting you know because you don't know what this looks like until you're till you're standing there you know well i'll find myself like getting into things that you know just that i probably would never have got into and be like maybe that would be a cool cool did like say acting or something you know something like that i think that would be really cool to get into and bar ownership you got a new bar right now yeah we've been doing the bar deal and riot uh right room yeah yeah you need to come down to fort worth man yeah dude well we're never we're touring through there i think if we don't go through dallas we'll have to make it happen. Yeah, for sure.
And what kind of joint is it in there? They got billions or what is it? It's kind of like a honky tonk during the day with food. And then by 9 o'clock, it turns into a club, man.
It's like a Texas club, I guess, like a cowboy club. Oh, yeah.
I don't know how to explain it. We got bottles.
There you go. Yeah.
It's a ride. It's a good time.
Gang, dude. That's your place? Yeah, bro.
You have to come out. Bro, congratulations, man.
We just opened up a second location. We're about to in Houston.
Hopefully getting it up by February. See, that's what I'm missing about party.
You can open up something like that. Like, I'd to open up a place where people kind of cry about how they feel every now and then.
That's what I say whenever I open it up. I was like, I just want a place I can go fucking party and not have to worry about going to Channel Electric.
Like nobody can kick me out of the motherfucker. Except for you.
You end up texting yourself. Maybe sometimes I need to kick myself out of there bro you just see me dragging myself out fucking riot room that's so cool dude just to have your own bar everybody dreams of that people dream of that in their lives it's been a lot of fun you guys are opening up a new one down in Houston it'll open for February but it's almost finished up it's been going good man it's uh you know i never thought i never can like thought that i'd have a bar or whatever but um got in with the right people and just kind of i don't know it's been it's been cool yeah especially in texas especially in your space yeah for sure yeah we didn't we had talked about

putting in one here

in Nashville

and I was like

I'm not stepping

on nobody's toes

you know

it's not

it's not my domain

I'm gonna stick

to what I know

down here in Texas

yeah

yeah you gotta be careful

I think about that

sometimes too

like about getting involved

in certain stuff

you don't wanna act

like it's your place

just because you're there

yeah for sure

you know

if you're not from there

I feel like

that's how I feel sometimes

I've seen

Jelly Rose

is he putting in one

Thank you. stuff you don't want to act like it's your place just because you're there yeah for sure you know if you're not from there i feel like that's how i feel sometimes i've seen uh jelly rose is he putting in one is he oh yeah that's what i did here jelly roll putting in a bar let's look pull it up jelly laney got hers uh morgan oh yeah i've been to morgan's yet uh i've been to morgan's either we were at uh good night story building God I feel like they're They're not just like They're just like Seeing how many How many stories They can go up Yeah Shout out Jelly That's awesome Barge Marquis sign Will be yellow and black Including a skull Wearing a crown Of Nashville skyline That's kind of cool man Oh yeah That's like his emblem Yeah shout out Jelly that's awesome man it is cool dude what a guy dude you're a impression of jelly whatever he is is you and if you've ever been if you've ever fallen asleep in a fucking ups van if you were raised in the back of an oscar meyer wed vehicle.
If you've ever gotten head lice from Bad Head. If you've ever popped the pimple on the back of a long haul trucker.
If you've ever given head in the front seat of a Peterbilt. If you've ever had your legs fall asleep on the shitter of a Love's gas station toilet, you could win an Emmy.
Motherfucker's like, what is happening? Dude, by the way, Jelly gives the best hugs in the world, bro. Every time he sees you, he just picks you up and says, Jelly, man.
If you're having a shitty day, get a hug from Jelly Roll, bro bro, turns that motherfucker right around. They should have a hug center.
They should have, that should be a machine. That's what we need to tell them.
Hey, instead of all the other good that you're doing around the world, you need a hug station, bro. Yep, a hug station.
Give out free hugs, bro. Oh man.
Have you never been a hug? It's $1 hugs, dude. Jelly's $1 hugs, dude.
Or you can pay $2 and get a little bit more of a hug. You know what I'm saying? And it's heated.
The second hug is heated, dude. Damn, brother.
Oh, man. Yeah, there's something about Jelly.
He just is, there's something about him. He's just like a conduit, you know.
Yeah. I feel like for love, really.
The guy just. It's like his whole aura, his whole presence, everything about him he's just like a conduit you know for yeah i feel like for love really the guy just it's like his whole aura his whole presence everything about him it's just man it uh yeah it'll turn a bad day around for sure it really will he really is grateful man yeah he's grateful he's fun to watch this story's been cool man he's got a really cool story yeah oh yeah it's great dude um and yeah you guys are going to be touring for how long? Most of the next year or what? Yeah, we're doing a bunch of festivals and stuff.
And then hopefully getting a tour in towards the end of the year maybe. Planning on a new record.
So if we get that out, get a new tour going, all the goods. And any new songwriters you want to work with or anything like that? Or what's that look like know you one night i called you and ernest working together yeah me and ernest were out and i think we're out in el paso whenever y'all were fucking he said he saw an alien or something could have been we would have been high yeah yeah there's no telling what i don't like a peyote and everything else out there bro uh but uh yeah man i mean we uh i've started co-writing with a lot of people man it's and And this last record was the first time that I'd done it.
So, yeah, man, I mean, I've started co-writing with a lot of people, man. And this last record was the first time that I'd done it.
So yeah, man, I think it's kind of just kind of opened to brand new ideas and stuff, man. Just trying to do what's best for us.
Has it been hard for you to evolve? Is that a tough thing to change to do as an artist? To think, okay, I'm going to co-write or I'm not? Or do you have certain like kind of rules for yourself and then those change or do you not have any rules for yourself it was at first to start with the co-writers because i've wrote you know my first four records were completely just me and then uh so to get into co-writing was kind of a hard ordeal and then now i've accepted a lot more. I feel like it's easier on me,

especially with the headspace I'm in and so much that's going on.

It helps to have other people's ideas,

you know, outside looking in.

So, yeah, man, it's been a lot of fun.

Like I said, with Gabe Simon

and all those badass artists around here, man.

Dude, I met him with Dermot Kennedy, I think. Bring a picture of him up.
I think they were writing together. Probably.
Gabe Simon. He worked with Noah Kahn and a couple other.
Oh, Gabe. I don't think it's him.
No, it's Gabe. No, no, that's him.
Sorry, sorry. That is Gabe.
That is not the guy that I met. But I would like to meet him sometime.
Small world. I look forward to meeting Gabe.
He's a great dude. No, this is okay.
Now I feel like I need it. But that's okay.
It was a different Gabe that I believe played with Dermot Kennedy over there. We went to the Bluebird over there and watched him play.
Yeah, well, I just think that's interesting because, yeah, it's like I always want to do things on my own right yeah i was like oh i'll do it on my own but then things kind of change you're like i can't do it all yeah for sure and so then i'm like now i have to evolve a little bit yeah for sure i think and i've always been like i hate to ask people for help i don't want anything like that's just how i'm wired but sometimes you know i mean it uh well you kind of got to push your pride aside and say hell with it so yeah yeah and then that's the times when you really kind of things you get better you know honestly yeah yeah usually when i end up including other people and then i'm not doing anything alone i think that's the thing that's that's a bummer sometimes i think about like it's not like i think sometimes i would like to get married you know or something i said that but i think it's because otherwise you do stuff and you don't have anybody to tell about it yeah yeah you're like oh i just this was fun but it was by myself yeah like well shit dude and then your wife one day your wife or whatever is gonna be like shut up i wasn me about this shit? Yeah. I wasn't there, dude.
I think that's good, man. I think we've had a nice chat.
Hell yeah, that was awesome. Cole, congratulations, dude.
Appreciate you. Yeah, we look forward to just hearing more music and just watching your journey, man.
Yeah, it's fucking tough to grow up, dude. Don't do it all overnight, dude.
Yeah, not all overnight. Yeah, we keep easing into it.
Okay. Amen.
New Christmas album out now in his album Nine Lives. Thanks again, Kyle.
Have a good one, man. Appreciate it, Leo.
Yeah, Merry Christmas. Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh, but when I reach that ground

I'll share this peace of mind

I found I can feel it

in my bones

but it's gonna

take

a little