"They Know" | Chapter 5

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Speaker 5 I always told everybody, I said, if you could bet on crimes in Vegas,

Speaker 5 like gambling, I said, I'd put $100,000 down if girls wouldn't do it.

Speaker 5 But they witnessed something and were threatened by that person who did it, not to say anything.

Speaker 5 That's what I would have went through. That's what I thought was happening.

Speaker 5 And then I'll never forget the night she confessed, Ronnie called me.

Speaker 5 They did it.

Speaker 5 What do you mean? He said, they fucking did it. They stabbed her to death.

Speaker 6 I'm like,

Speaker 5 who? What? What are we talking about? Like,

Speaker 5 yeah, and I was like,

Speaker 5 I was still thinking, okay, who stabs Kyler? Like, he goes, Rachel and Sheila. And I was like, I remember

Speaker 5 off the side of the road.

Speaker 5 You serious?

Speaker 5 He goes, yes. And he goes, I got to go.
We're heading out to retrieve the body.

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Speaker 7 From Waveland, I'm Holly Millay.

Speaker 8 And I'm Justine Harmon. This is three,

Speaker 8 episode five, They Know.

Speaker 8 After Rachel's confession in her attorney's office to state trooper Ronnie Gaskins and FBI agent Robert Ambrosini, the group gathered their things, put their coats on, and in two cars drove the 30 miles out past Blacksville to Brave, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 8 Rachel, riding in the backseat of Gaskin's cruiser, was leading them to the scene of the crime. Unlike Sheila, who grew up in the area, her father lived just miles from the murder site.

Speaker 8 Rachel had to go by memory, which was all the more difficult given a recent winter storm.

Speaker 8 The deeper they drove into the backwoods, the deeper the snow.

Speaker 8 every twist and turn looking just like the one before, until Rachel recognized a tall oak tree and said, that's the spot where Skylar's at.

Speaker 8 The snow, knee-deep and hardened by the freezing temperature, impeded a detailed search of the crime scene.

Speaker 8 And so the cars turned around, leaving Schuyler, entombed in the elements, still waiting to be found.

Speaker 8 That same evening, inside Rachel's house at 402 Arabella Court in Morgantown, She was anxious for Sheila to come by. Just next door, Kim Keener watched the action.

Speaker 9 Sheila's mom pulled up and dropped Sheila off, and she liked drove around the neighborhood while Sheila sat there and talked to Rachel for a little while.

Speaker 7 Inside the tan split-level home at the end of the scenic cul-de-sac, there are three bedrooms and two bathrooms. Ample places for law enforcement to hide.

Speaker 7 And they were there, listening from the wings as a 16-year-old Broadway Hopeful attempted to extract a confession from her best friend.

Speaker 7 Earlier in the evening, Kim Keener watched as law enforcement descended on the house.

Speaker 9 My youngest was out playing basketball. I had to bring her in.
I was like, Abigail, you need to come in because I was afraid they wouldn't be able to hear her.

Speaker 7 State Trooper Chris Berry, recently taken off the case, remembers sitting in his office watching a recording of what happened inside the shoe residence that night.

Speaker 5 I saw the video. They had cameras set up there, too.

Speaker 5 Because the whole house was polluted with officers hiding in closets or bathrooms and shit.

Speaker 5 But I have to give Rachel credit. She tried like hell and Sheila would not budge.
And I didn't think Rachel looked at her and she goes, they know.

Speaker 5 And she was like, what do you mean they know? And she said, they know what happened. And of course, she was like, no, they don't.

Speaker 6 The only thing Sheila would say is,

Speaker 6 keep your mouth shut. Nobody knows nothing.

Speaker 6 They'll never know. That's what she said.
Keep your mouth shut. They'll never know.

Speaker 8 If Sheila was nervous, let alone aware of the recording device under her friend's sweatshirt, she didn't show it.

Speaker 5 No, she kept changing the subject. She talked about a boy or several boys, you know, just

Speaker 5 this is what's happened in school or driving school. And Rachel, like, would try to keep going back and going back.

Speaker 5 And, uh

Speaker 5 and she just wouldn't budge i remember watching it i was like damn she's pretty good

Speaker 5 you're sheila's done her homework of watching a lot of crime movies you couldn't get that verbal commitment of like they don't know we killed scholar it was just they don't know sheila did say one thing that alluded to her complicity and then she made a statement like that she's been out there for six months but once again any defense attorney could be like who's she

Speaker 5 that could be a a female cat or a female dog that they're talking about that they put out there.

Speaker 10 I think she knew at that point.

Speaker 10 I'm sure Sheila could pick up on something even if she didn't say anything directly.

Speaker 7 After seeing her best friend that evening, their relationship devolved. The final act playing out, where else? On Twitter.
Here's Sheila the very next day, January 4th.

Speaker 8 First time I've been completely speechless. Holy fuck.

Speaker 8 Three days later, she tweeted, walked straight through hell with a smile.

Speaker 7 On January 9th, Sheila was home when the doorbell rang. She opened the front door to find both the state police and the FBI armed with warrants.

Speaker 7 Ronnie Gaskins confiscated all remaining electronics, a cell phone, a tablet, and a computer. And all the kitchen knives, some 17,

Speaker 7 including steak knives, pairing knives, and chef knives.

Speaker 7 The FBI seized the silver Toyota Camry parked in the driveway. Despite the ambush, Sheila was on the offensive.
She soon acquired another phone. On January 15th, she logged on and tweeted.

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Speaker 10 My son was

Speaker 10 11 at the time. And,

Speaker 10 you know,

Speaker 10 during the case, it was

Speaker 10 was hard because I had my own family to take care of.

Speaker 10 And he would come with me in the evenings after shift because I still had to answer calls.

Speaker 7 Like Chris Berry, Star City Police Officer Jessica Colbank, booted after calling Sheila's mom, Tara, a tool, could not let this case go.

Speaker 7 After working her case assignments, Colbank stayed at the office after hours, turning her attention back to Schuyler, reviewing her old notes and files, phone records, and the written statements from the girls.

Speaker 10 Even though I was kicked off the case, you know, I wasn't kicked off in my mind. So I was still trying to do what I could do from my side without the knowledge of where they were at.

Speaker 10 And I'd bring my son with me, and he would do his homework, and, you know, I would help him with that and, you know, have snacks for him. And he understood what I was doing was important.

Speaker 10 Chris and Ronnie both called me

Speaker 10 right after Rachel confessed.

Speaker 10 And they called and they said, Jess, you'll never believe, you'll never believe what happened.

Speaker 10 And they said that Rachel came in and she confessed that they killed her. And I was like, no shit.
You know, that was my initial response.

Speaker 10 Just because

Speaker 10 it was a relief to finally hear we had an answer.

Speaker 10 And it was

Speaker 10 a frustration that I couldn't get that answer.

Speaker 9 They were always

Speaker 9 very anti-police, which I couldn't understand.

Speaker 9 Screw the police, F the police, from the get-go.

Speaker 8 The friendship between Kim Keener and her neighbors had grown strained during the last few months. She couldn't understand Rachel and Patricia's refusal to help authorities find Schuyler.

Speaker 9 I mean, their thing was the police have no one and that they are trying to pin this on these girls.

Speaker 9 Like I would say to them, your friend is missing.

Speaker 9 The police are looking for her. I don't know why you're fighting with them.

Speaker 9 And I just, I sat with Rachel and I said, don't you understand if they take your phone and they dump it and there's a picture in there, they might might be able to find someone that has taken her.

Speaker 8 Kim recalls being in Patricia's kitchen, watching her destroy what could have been crucial evidence.

Speaker 9 She took a hammer to a cell phone.

Speaker 9 And that made me think she knew, you know?

Speaker 9 And I kept saying, you are going to get in trouble.

Speaker 9 Like, I don't understand why.

Speaker 9 Why you are taking a hammer to the cell phone.

Speaker 9 When she had her breakdown and finally went to the attorney's office patricia came over and said to me we are cooperating now it was like she knew that i was mad about that you know what i mean like she knew i was mad and she was letting me know we are cooperating now when the u.s attorney's office notified assistant prosecuting attorney perry joe de christopher that rachel had confessed She immediately phoned her boss, prosecuting attorney Marsha Ashdown, who was out of town.

Speaker 13 I got that call. She was not, she was actually out of town.

Speaker 8 And I called her and said, You need to wake up.

Speaker 13 It was an early morning hour, and she was in a different time zone.

Speaker 3 I was in New Orleans.

Speaker 7 And though they'd been following the stories in the papers and noting the rumors around Morgantown, nothing prepared them for the details of Rachel's statement.

Speaker 3 Let me just say that I didn't go out of the room that day and

Speaker 3 I was sick about it.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 8 So it was shocking.

Speaker 8 Perry, Joe, and Marsha knew they had to keep a tight lid on the information. Leaks to Dave and Mary could easily jeopardize the case.
At best, the physical evidence was sketchy.

Speaker 8 And the truthfulness of Rachel's confession was still arguable. since she'd been lying to authorities for months.
What they needed was proof of Sheila's involvement.

Speaker 13 It would not have been good for us to call Mary and Dave because first you don't know if it's true.

Speaker 13 And second, like you don't want to

Speaker 3 deliver that kind of note.

Speaker 13 By a phone call.

Speaker 13 And finally,

Speaker 13 like,

Speaker 13 you know, if someone had called Mary and Dave that very minute,

Speaker 13 their reaction would have been to call Aunt Carol and to call this person and to call that person.

Speaker 13 And as you can imagine, there would have been a mushroom cloud of information flowing to everyone that the police still needed to interview. I mean, they hadn't gone out to the scene at that moment.

Speaker 13 They hadn't recovered any bodies. They hadn't done anything.
And so truly, at that very minute, there was nothing to do but kind of close our law enforcement circle and figure out what to do next.

Speaker 3 You know, we have to continually remind ourselves that it's for

Speaker 3 a reason and for a good reason so that things don't get out and

Speaker 3 get out of control.

Speaker 7 When Schuyler first disappeared, crime reporter Alex Lang was still a general assignment editor. He remembers the small story of a missing teen ballooning into a major mystery.

Speaker 7 with Dominion Post readers wanting to know more.

Speaker 6 I remember when the case started, it wasn't the world's biggest deal. It was just a missing person case, and it was over a holiday weekend.

Speaker 6 But then she remained missing. Every detail we found was almost always reported.

Speaker 6 Littlest update, the littlest interviews, the littlest detail all became stories because the community just wanted to know so much about this case. In Morgantown, it's a college town.

Speaker 6 It's home to WVU.

Speaker 6 The biggest story in that town in any particular year is how the football team does.

Speaker 6 This was a close-up.

Speaker 6 For especially the town people.

Speaker 6 It became we're not this

Speaker 6 safe little community that's just known for a college football team.

Speaker 7 On January 11th, eight days after Rachel's confession, her boyfriend McKinsey Boggs tweeted, Shout out to At Rach for being the best girl in the world.

Speaker 7 Three days later, the Dominion Post published a story with the headline, Search for Nice Goes On.

Speaker 8 Police believe they know who Skylar left with, juveniles who she knew, but that hasn't helped find her. Skylar was initially considered to be a runaway.

Speaker 8 because the surveillance video showed her leaving on her own accord. No one is sure what happened to her.
Police have said they are not sure if she's alive or dead.

Speaker 7 Anyone following the case, which was everyone, knew the names of the unnamed juveniles Schuyler trusted.

Speaker 7 Two days after that story ran, on January 16th, 2013, the cold snap broke and a light rain was falling, melting the snow.

Speaker 7 Over 30 law enforcement officers, including Ronnie Gaskins and Morgan Spurlock, journeyed back out to where Rachel had said Schuyler would be found.

Speaker 7 I can tell you that the FBI evidence respond team did a surge and recovery operation.

Speaker 7 We all gathered at the Morgantown detachment early in the morning. And then Ronnie and I, we led the first caravan of the ERT of FBI out to the site.

Speaker 7 There are some administrative issues of, you know, getting a lay of the land and,

Speaker 7 you know, it was like cakey briefings because it was near a mine, a mine shaft that I think was terminated or discontinued, but still wanted to make sure the safety of everybody that was there.

Speaker 7 The canine dog circled the area, smelling the earth, pawing at the wet ground here, then there.

Speaker 7 With the recent rain and snow melt, there was a fear that the creek was so high it might have carried potential evidence downstream, where officers were also searching.

Speaker 7 Finally, the dog stopped. Looking up at the towering oak tree, the GPS collar around his neck snapped and fell.

Speaker 7 And there, beneath a mound of snow and forest debris, was Schuyler.

Speaker 7 Quickly, a tent was erected to protect her from the rain.

Speaker 7 She was approximately 40 or so feet from the roadway edge. There was a small creek that ran alongside,

Speaker 7 you know, not far from the road, but she was in between the creek and the roadway. She was kind of like out in a little open area

Speaker 7 that covered up a few branches of dirt.

Speaker 8 One member of the small army of law enforcement combed the area with a metal detector and made a key discovery.

Speaker 8 At the crime scene, the FBI evidence recovery team on Pittsburgh, we found her cell phone, or we found our cell phone out there, but it was locked.

Speaker 8 There was also a stage card, so that had her photos or the photos that were on it. So we were able to access that.

Speaker 8 People up in Pittsburgh were able to see those photographs, that those were the exact same pictures on Skylark's Instagram account.

Speaker 8 So I was able to match that up. So

Speaker 8 we had something to anchor to while the investigation continued, and all the forensic and scientific exams were being conducted by the lab.

Speaker 7 The sky was cement gray, the creek was flowing, and though the trees were bare, it was just as the psychic had described it to Mary and her sister Carol.

Speaker 8 We would find her by water.

Speaker 11 We'd have to go over a bridge.

Speaker 5 She'd turn across the cement bridge, go across the railroad tracks, and about another what mile on the left-hand side, there's a little stream running down, and that's where we found Schuyler.

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Speaker 7 Just how was it that Schuyler came to be alone in such a remote area of the woods through summer and autumn and winter?

Speaker 7 The story would be unbelievable had it not been told by one of the last two people to see Schuyler alive. One of the two people who watched her die.

Speaker 8 That night, Rachel brought a shovel from her father's garage. Sheila brought two kitchen knives from home.

Speaker 8 They put the shovel, cleaning supplies, and a change of clothes in the trunk of Sheila's car and drove to Schuyler's apartment building.

Speaker 8 On the way, Rachel called Schuyler and the two had a seven-minute conversation.

Speaker 8 Although the temperature that day was in the 90s, Sheila and Rachel wore hoodies, under which the knives were wrapped in rags so they wouldn't cut themselves.

Speaker 8 Once they got to Schuyler's, they took the knives out of the cloths and put them back under their hoodies in the armpit area to have them ready.

Speaker 8 They called Schuyler again, and she came out, hurried across the parking lot, and got into the back seat of the car, the footage caught by the surveillance cameras.

Speaker 8 They were taking a joyride out to Brave, just across the Pennsylvania state line, where they'd gone before and gotten high.

Speaker 8 Skylar brought her bong and Rachel had her pipe.

Speaker 8 The drive is some 30 miles, giving Rachel or Sheila plenty of time to back out of the plan.

Speaker 8 Along the way, they passed two Sheets gas stations with CCTV cameras, Clay Battelle Middle School, Sheila and Shania's alma mater,

Speaker 8 and past the shack daycare and camp where Skylar and Sheila first met and bonded as girls.

Speaker 8 After parking, the trio began walking into the woods when Skylar turned back to retrieve a lighter from her purse in the car. Rachel said, on three.

Speaker 8 That was the agreed-upon signal. A count of one, two,

Speaker 8 three, and they began stabbing Skylar from behind. At one point, Skylar got away.
but Rachel tackled her. In the struggle, Skylar managed to get the knife from Rachel and cut her right below the knee.

Speaker 8 But then Sheila was upon her, and fighting them both, Skylar was overpowered.

Speaker 8 According to Rachel, after killing Skylar in the road, they took the shovel from the trunk of the car and tried digging a grave. But even in July, the dense earth was too hard to break.

Speaker 8 So they dragged Skylar's body to the large oak tree and hid her under leaves and sticks.

Speaker 7 Ronnie Gaskins recalls Rachel's emotional state as she recounted the horror of what happened in the woods.

Speaker 7 She wasn't holding in anymore. Now, you know, it you know, it's finally out.
We know what happened. Her parents are gonna find out.

Speaker 7 No more secrets.

Speaker 7 You know, it's finally out. She was able to get through the confession and tell us what happened.
So

Speaker 7 she was definitely

Speaker 7 uh

Speaker 7 scared because she I remember her having a wastebasket next to her in case she threw up. So she was more

Speaker 7 scared than anything. I mean, she wasn't she got carry-eyed, I guess you could say.

Speaker 6 She wasn't like bawling.

Speaker 6 She wasn't like, you know how someone gets so upset that you can't understand what they're saying.

Speaker 6 It was a mutual decision.

Speaker 6 It was a mutual attack.

Speaker 6 And Rachel did a countdown on three for them to start stabbing skylar so she did not minimize her role rachel was there she did the countdown she murdered skylar it was you know it was a mutual attack it was a mutual attack

Speaker 7 with skylar dead the two girls adrenaline coursing stripped off their bloody clothes and either washed in the creek or cleaned themselves with the Clorox wipes hidden in the trunk of the car along with a fresh change of clothing.

Speaker 7 After getting dressed, they headed back to Morgantown, but not before pulling off the road, popping the trunk, and getting rid of their blood-stained clothes and Schuyler's purse. Exactly where?

Speaker 7 Rachel couldn't recall.

Speaker 7 As for the knives, they'd been in the trunk too, but Rachel said she didn't know what Sheila had done with them. It wasn't until Rachel was home that she realized something was missing.

Speaker 5 Yeah, Rachel lost lost her phone during the fight when they were attacking Skyler.

Speaker 5 That's how we were able to prove to Sheila's back out there

Speaker 5 because we had a four o'clock in the morning ping

Speaker 5 on Sheila and Rachel's phone.

Speaker 5 And then

Speaker 5 Rachel's phone stayed pinging the whole time,

Speaker 5 but Sheila's didn't. And then all of a sudden, like it was like 9 or 10 o'clock in the morning, Sheila's phone was on that tower again.
And that's what time she was out there looking for the phone.

Speaker 5 She drove all the way back out there to look for the phone.

Speaker 5 That's why Rachel was freaking out because she was getting her to go on the boat with her mom and aunt and stuff. That's why we had the pictures of them out in the boat partying the next day.

Speaker 5 And if you notice on the pictures of the boat, she's got cut marks on her legs because we saw those. I'm like, what were those?

Speaker 5 We got something about one night at a party and we ran through the woods and hit a briar bush. Well, there were actually knife marks for and scratches from Schuyler fighting back.

Speaker 5 Skylar was able to get the knife off of Rachel at one point.

Speaker 7 Hearing that her body was found, Jessica Colbank was both relieved and reminded of her own futile efforts searching for Schuyler.

Speaker 10 We rented four wheelers. We didn't rent them.
We borrowed from the people of Blacksville four wheelers to go just look.

Speaker 10 And we were one ridge away from where she was found. So

Speaker 10 we were close.

Speaker 10 We had no idea we were that close.

Speaker 7 You were in the car behind Morgan's car when Rachel was taking

Speaker 7 them out to where the body was?

Speaker 10 No, I wasn't a part of that. I had heard that they were going out there, but I wasn't part of it.

Speaker 10 I've never been to the scene.

Speaker 6 Why?

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 10 It's not my case.

Speaker 7 I have to say,

Speaker 7 I'm both moved and surprised that you haven't been out there.

Speaker 6 No.

Speaker 7 Sorry. It's okay.

Speaker 10 I couldn't solve that case.

Speaker 5 That eats me.

Speaker 7 Schuyler's remains were sent to the FBI's lab in Quantico for DNA testing. But Rachel, Sheila, and others seemed to know what was coming.

Speaker 7 She found out somehow that Rachel had left the FBI at Schuyler's body because I saw a tweet that Sheila had made to Rachel, and she said something along the lines of like, you stupid bitch, you could have kept your mouth shut.

Speaker 7 We wouldn't be in this situation. About an hour after she had tweeted it, she deleted it because I don't think she wanted people to know.

Speaker 7 On January 16th, at Josie Snyder wrote, Sky is so gloomy today.

Speaker 7 Then on January 22nd, Sheila tweeted what could be considered another taunt or wishful thinking.

Speaker 8 Wonder if there's a law and order SVU where they don't figure it out.

Speaker 8 Next time, on three.

Speaker 5 I'll never forget these words. They haunt me every damn day.

Speaker 6 Rachel confessed, and everybody went, holy crap, it actually happened. And then I was going to find Sheila, take her somewhere, and start blowing fingers and toes off until she confessed.

Speaker 6 And there's Patricia and Rachel standing on the steps, and I'm outside yelling, tell me you didn't do this.

Speaker 10 And, you know, that's not a typical reaction of someone that's just been picked up for murder.

Speaker 8 Three is an original production of Wavelamp. The series is created and written by Holly Millay and me, Justine Harmon.
The executive producer is Jason Hoke, who produced and edited the series.

Speaker 8 Associate producers are Lydia Horne and Leo Culp. Fact-checking by Lydia Horn.
Sound engineering by Shane Freeman. Music by Robert Ellis.

Speaker 8 Studio recording at CDM Studios in New York and Wildwoods Picture and Sound in Los Angeles. Special thanks to Dave and Mary Neese in the city of Morgantown, West Virginia.

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