Hunger Games | Chapter 4

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Speaker 17 In late December 2012, Dave Neese, no stranger to the West Virginia Police Department over the past five months, walked up to the beige rectangular building and took the elevator to the third floor.

Speaker 17 He was a usual sight among the uniformed stadies and overworked advocates who haunt the Crimes Against Children unit.

Speaker 17 It had been 169 days since Schuyler went missing.

Speaker 13 And the poor girl that worked in the front desk saw me coming through the door. She held her finger on the buzzer and just didn't even ask.
She let me go straight back. And I was a mess.

Speaker 13 Somebody had told me that somebody had confessed. Somebody told me all kind of crazy stuff that wasn't true.
And Ronnie let me right in, took me to a conference room.

Speaker 13 And he said,

Speaker 13 Dave, I got a call. I got to think.
I'll be right back.

Speaker 13 And he came back and I'm pissed off.

Speaker 13 I just hated everything.

Speaker 13 And he said, that could be the best call we've had since this whole thing started.

Speaker 15 And I said, what was it?

Speaker 13 I can't tell you. I said, Ronnie, oh my God, come on, dude.

Speaker 13 He said, Dave, I think it's going to make things better. We're going to get some answers.

Speaker 13 And I'm shaking, I'm crying,

Speaker 13 I just wanted justice.

Speaker 17 From Waveland, I'm Justine Harmon.

Speaker 18 And I'm Holly Millay. This is three,

Speaker 18 episode four, Hunger Games.

Speaker 18 It's spring 2012, four months before Schuyler's disappearance.

Speaker 17 Carly Ray Jepson's Call Me Maybe has broken Billboard's top 10. 50 Shades of Gray is on the New York Times bestseller list.
and the Hunger Games is the hot ticket in theaters.

Speaker 17 Shania, Sheila, and Skylar are sitting in the cool dark of the Hollywood Stadium 12 movie theater, waiting for the games to begin.

Speaker 19 I can actually picture like the whole thing. I was sitting on the end, and then I believe it might have been Sheila and then Skylar.

Speaker 19 Sheila was on her phone, was texting somebody and was asking like what she should should say or something along those lines. And Skylar was telling her and Sheila didn't want to do that.

Speaker 19 Skylar tried to grab the phone from Sheila. So Sheila kind of smacked her like in the face and Skylar hit her back.
And that was all it was.

Speaker 19 It was really a smack to the face and then a hit back to the face. It wasn't like a big blow-up argument.
They were both mad, obviously.

Speaker 19 When we got to the car, there was a lot of yelling and screaming. But before we even left the mall, everybody had calmed down.
It was diffused. Everything was fine.

Speaker 19 It didn't carry on through the night. A very quick altercation that happened very out of the blue and a lot of yelling in the car once it was over.

Speaker 19 And then it was done. And then it was really never talked about again.

Speaker 21 That's why they had a lot of fights. And the fights were very public.

Speaker 18 That's former UHS counselor Tom Bloom again.

Speaker 21 Where the guys, we do it to the side, but the girls were openly. That's how they liked to do it.

Speaker 21 When they fought, everyone knew they fought.

Speaker 18 Dave remembers one such public incident that played to an audience of their classmates.

Speaker 13 Yeah, she was,

Speaker 13 I think, a sophomore freshman. in high school and she would lock her in with Sheila and a pregnant girl came walking down the the hallway.
And Skylar said, Oh, can I touch?

Speaker 13 Can I feel the baby kit, please?

Speaker 13 And Sheila said to the girl, Well, if you kept your legs together, it wouldn't have happened. Skylar turned around.

Speaker 13 I got witnesses to this, turned around and nailed her right in the face and knocked her inside the locker.

Speaker 18 The girl's anger could bring them to blows. But even on a whim, Sheila delighted in taking things next level.

Speaker 18 One day, Skylar came home in tears.

Speaker 13 So what's wrong, baby? She said, Sheila swerved to hit a squirrel. And I said, oh my God.
And she was, Skylar was crying. She was so mad

Speaker 13 that I just can't believe somebody would swerve to hit a squirrel. So this was when she was 16.

Speaker 13 Do people get like that? Or has she always been like that?

Speaker 13 I know a phone conversation I overheard was Skylar was talking to Sheila and she said, Sheila, Sheila, why do you want to go to the expense and everything of getting another cat?

Speaker 13 They keep running away.

Speaker 18 But Skylar stayed loyal. On March 9th, 2012, Sheila posted a mirror selfie with her two best friends.
All three teens are fresh-faced in pajamas, with Skylar wearing her reading glasses.

Speaker 18 While Rachel and Sheila look at the phone, Skylar, half a head shorter, gazes adoringly at Sheila, her arms thrown around Rachel's waist.

Speaker 17 About two months after that sweet snap was taken, Rachel and Sheila were in science class bitching about how annoying Skylar was when Rachel made a joke. We should kill her.

Speaker 18 The two girls looked at each other and smiled in agreement. Whether at that moment they were serious or just playing a game, over the following weeks, they devised a plan.

Speaker 18 Without question, Skylar was feeling the growing pains when one side of the triangle gets shortened.

Speaker 17 On March 24th, she tweeted, Too bad my friends are having lives without me.

Speaker 18 And then on April 14th, a girl, a girl, a bitch, a bitch.

Speaker 18 Daniel Hovader recalled an escalation in the animosity between the three.

Speaker 18 Leading up to the summer of 2012, Sheila and Schuyler especially were fighting a lot. So we were in practice for Pride and Prejudice and Rachel had her phone up to her ear and she was laughing.

Speaker 18 And I walked over to her. I was like, what's up? And she was like, listen to this fight.

Speaker 18 Sheila had Rachel on three-way with her and Skylar fighting because Sheila and Skylar were fighting over the phone. And Rachel was on three-way, but Skylar didn't know that Rachel was on three-way.

Speaker 18 The drama was constant, off and on stage. Hover remembered another incident incident when Rachel and her mother had it out in the school theater before a performance of A Midsummer Night's Dream.

Speaker 18 I remember one instance we were playing this from Night's Dream by Shakespeare.

Speaker 18 Her mom, like literally a few seconds before showtime, like right before it, slapped the holy, the Jesus out of her as hard as she could. Her mom literally wailed on Rachel's face.

Speaker 18 And Rachel started crying and all this and had to get her makeup fixed and it was right before showtime. I remember the exact words she said there.

Speaker 18 She said, get your shit together, Rachel, and slapped her. That's why she said, get your shit together.

Speaker 18 Kelly Kearns, who'd been like a second mother to Rachel, never witnessed the increasingly volatile relationship firsthand, though she'd heard about it through mutual friends.

Speaker 24 I never,

Speaker 24 ever

Speaker 24 saw Patricia hit Rachel

Speaker 20 or Rachel hit her mom.

Speaker 24 I understand from some other people, things

Speaker 24 got heated,

Speaker 24 but I'm guessing she was already starting to have trouble with her when she started hanging out with Sheila and really started skipping school, started doing all kinds kinds of stuff.

Speaker 24 But as she got older and harder to handle, she didn't want Rachel coming running to me.

Speaker 20 So

Speaker 24 I did not end up with the closeness that I would have liked to have had.

Speaker 24 She told me one time, Rachel was 14, she finally admitted Rachel had shoved her.

Speaker 24 Well, I flipped out

Speaker 24 because Rachel's a big girl and I was like, this is not happening.

Speaker 24 I confronted Rachel and, you know, said, if you ever do this again, we're going to have a problem.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 24 I suggested her going to the Mountaineer Challenge Academy for discipline. But of course, her mom would not hear of it because she was going to be a Broadway star and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 24 It wasn't,

Speaker 24 I understand from the girl next door that there had been some, because she could hear them the time, some screaming matches.

Speaker 20 Oh my God, yes, yes.

Speaker 25 I would hear it in my house. We would hear, I would hear it in my house.
We would be, I would be in the house and I'd hear thump, thump, thump, thump, thump.

Speaker 25 Yes, yes, absolutely. Absolutely.
And I think it started out. I think Patricia was a bully mom.
You know, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and say Patricia beat Rachel. She didn't beat her.
She

Speaker 25 hovered over her, shot in her face, she screamed at her, you know, bully stuff.

Speaker 25 And I think at some point, Rachel would have have had enough i think

Speaker 24 it really didn't get physical till after

Speaker 20 this happened

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Speaker 17 It's December in Morgantown. Schuyler has been missing for five long months.
Christmas lights along High Street are ablaze. The college students have gone home for the holiday.

Speaker 17 Missing persons posters with Schuyler's face are weather beaten.

Speaker 17 The nieces didn't celebrate that first Christmas without Schuyler. Yet there is one silver lining that holiday season.

Speaker 17 Schuyler law, mandating Amber alerts to be issued for all missing children, even those not suspected of being kidnapped, is gaining traction. But Schuyler's legacy doesn't just live on in memory.

Speaker 17 It also lives on in Schuyler's law. Under Schuyler's law, state police could issue an Amber alert for any missing child, even if an abduction is not suspected.

Speaker 17 On December 19th, Ronnie Gaskins shared with the Dominion Post the one thing he knew for certain. There are people who know where she's at, and they're not talking.

Speaker 18 Sheila, who had always flaunted her freedom around town, was now shadowed by a parent or lawyer, even at the local hair salon, where she'd go to either highlight her dirty blonde hair or, depending on her mood, dye it coal black.

Speaker 18 Without even trying, Aunt Carol knew both girls' comings and goings.

Speaker 26 Where I get my hair cut, Sheila and her mom go there.

Speaker 26 She, when she went to get her hair done, she wouldn't let Sheila say anything or talk to anybody.

Speaker 26 Like they would try to make conversation about something, and Sheila's mom would answer, and she wouldn't let Sheila talk. I had

Speaker 26 flyers up in the shop

Speaker 26 when they left the flyers and stuff was gone. And so the girl that does my hair said mean it you know it was really weird.
She didn't let her talk.

Speaker 26 She said, and then the signs were gone, the posters were gone.

Speaker 26 And she said, I'm pretty sure they had to take them because who else would do it?

Speaker 18 At one point, Marion Carroll went full-on amateur detective trying to trap Rachel in a lie.

Speaker 26 Well, first she told me, will you go to Rachel's house and talk to her with me?

Speaker 18 And I'm like, well, yeah, sure.

Speaker 26 So a couple days later, she said, well, we're going to go and we're probably going to wear a wire so they can hear what's going on.

Speaker 26 She said, because we need to get it on tape. So what's going on?

Speaker 26 So I was like, okay.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 26 then when the time come,

Speaker 26 Her mom said, no, she's not doing well.

Speaker 26 She's not feeling well or something.

Speaker 18 Carol, frustrated with all the false starts, began appealing to outsiders to conjure Skylar's whereabouts.

Speaker 26 I asked Mary, I said, can I borrow that goodie? And she said, yeah. She said, what do you want it for? And I said, I just need to use it for a little bit.

Speaker 17 Well, she couldn't find it.

Speaker 26 Well, give me her curling iron. You know, she always liked to straighten

Speaker 26 her hair because she had the cutest little curls, but she wanted it straight. And so finally, I said, Okay, Mary, I'm going to the psychic and I want to take something with Skylar's.

Speaker 26 And so she's like, You're what? And I said, Do you want to go?

Speaker 15 She said, Well, of course, I want to go.

Speaker 27 Didn't tell them, tell the psychic why they were coming. And Psychic looked at Carol.
She said, Who's the girl in your life?

Speaker 27 Who's the girl that has the problems in your life? What's going on?

Speaker 27 And that's when they told her.

Speaker 27 She told us exactly where to find Skylar.

Speaker 26 We would find her by water. We'd have to go over a bridge.

Speaker 27 She knew everything. She knew there was a red-haired girl and a black-haired girl.
She said, you'll break the redhead, but you'll never break the black hair.

Speaker 26 I mean, it was the creepiest thing.

Speaker 18 At Wits End, on December 16th, Mary posted a 1,600-word missive on the Team Schuyler 2012 Facebook page intended intended to stoke the flames. She wrote,

Speaker 18 These girls are more guilty than originally suspected. They have continued to withhold information to this day and have been caught in multiple lies to both the state and federal authorities.

Speaker 18 The original belief was that they were in fear of retribution or the consequences of others.

Speaker 18 Within a day or two, the post was taken down at the request of the authorities. But by then, it had been shared ad infinitum.

Speaker 17 Skylar's family members weren't the only ones going rogue. Tired of spinning in place, Chris Berry leaked details of the investigation to Dave.

Speaker 22 I took a chance.

Speaker 22 I just needed that pressure.

Speaker 5 Should I have done it?

Speaker 22 No, I shouldn't have.

Speaker 22 Ronnie called me like, did you tell the date nieces anything? Like, no, I didn't. I didn't say anything.
And

Speaker 22 I wanted

Speaker 22 get it out there. I wanted to see what would happen.

Speaker 22 And I feel bad for lying, Ronnie, for that. And I really do.

Speaker 22 You know, what this case saw.

Speaker 22 And on top of that, I was already pissing off

Speaker 22 sergeants and politics from the way I handled things as a trooper.

Speaker 22 I was a rough trooper.

Speaker 22 There was times to get nasty and ugly, and I got nasty and ugly. For me to throw some people around,

Speaker 22 I got answers, but i got complained on what

Speaker 17 the stunt got barry kicked off the case just like jessica colbank before him

Speaker 18 again

Speaker 28 mary decided to take matters into her own hands one night i was on the computer i was on facebook And Rachel sent me a private message and wanted to know how we were doing and could they do any, her and her mom do anything for us.

Speaker 28 I said, well, we're still plugging along. I said,

Speaker 28 the only thing you can do is

Speaker 28 tell me where she is.

Speaker 28 I said, she needs to be put to rest

Speaker 28 the proper way.

Speaker 28 And she replied back, she says, what do you mean?

Speaker 28 And I said, you know exactly what I mean

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Speaker 17 December 28th, 2012.

Speaker 17 The day after Mary Nice sent that sharply worded Facebook message to Rachel, The girl came unhinged.

Speaker 17 Patricia Schof placed an emergency call. She says, I have an issue with a 16-year-old daughter of mine.
I can't control her anymore. She's hitting us.
She's screaming.

Speaker 17 She's running through the neighborhood. Give me the phone.
No, no, this is over. This is over.
She just gave me a black eye.

Speaker 1 Oh, God.

Speaker 17 Please hurry.

Speaker 17 Kim Keener, whose house on the Dead End Road was so close to Patricia's, you could, in her words, throw a rock from my porch and hit Rachel's bedroom window, heard the commotion.

Speaker 25 Thud, thud, thud, scream.

Speaker 25 She's coming out of the house. Anyway, Rachel, Ben, me, that's when she comes out of the house screaming, you ruin my fucking life, my fucking life.
And then

Speaker 25 bang, smack, whatever.

Speaker 25 That's when Patricia comes running out of the house and she's holding her face.

Speaker 25 She is holding her face. And Brian and I walk out because I, at that point, know she's then been attacked, you know.
So her face is already black, like just black and we are like, what is going on?

Speaker 25 What is going on?

Speaker 25 She says she picked up a lit candelabra and hit me in the face. I've called 911.

Speaker 25 She said, and I said, are you okay? She said, I'm fine.

Speaker 20 I'm fine. They're on their way.

Speaker 24 I just went all

Speaker 28 ate shit on them. Her mom said that was enough.

Speaker 20 She called 911.

Speaker 24 I knew she was in a self-destruct mode is from what I understand

Speaker 24 because of the pressure of keeping this. And then all hell broke loose when I think lamps got thrown and Patricia was telling Rachel, you know, that's enough, it's over.

Speaker 24 When the cops came, she asked if they could take her to the hospital instead of directly to jail.

Speaker 18 That night, Rachel was admitted to Chestnut Ridge, an inpatient psychiatric treatment center for teens. Over the next five days, Sheila would try twice to see her best friend.

Speaker 24 When she was there, Sheila and her mom tried to get in because they wanted to know just what Rachel said.

Speaker 24 So I'm pretty sure Sheila's mom was in on all of this. I don't know at what point, but...
And their whole theory was nobody, no crime, and she just needed to hold out.

Speaker 25 Tara and Sheila were trying to get in Chestnut Ridge and they didn't just go like one day. Like they went multiple days.

Speaker 25 They tried to talk to one of the security guards because when you go to Chestnut Ridge, you can get in there and you can get on the elevator, but you can't get on the secured floor and you can't get through the door once you get out the elevator.

Speaker 25 So they had tried every which way to get on that secured floor. At one point, someone had a wig on.

Speaker 25 sunglasses.

Speaker 24 But of course they couldn't get in to see her because of security.

Speaker 26 Thank God for that, because she probably would have convinced her to keep her mouth shut.

Speaker 18 For the first time since they met, Rachel was beyond Sheila's reach, and Sheila's tweets were no longer defiant. At 5.25 p.m.

Speaker 17 that day, she wrote, Wow, literally worst night of my life.

Speaker 18 And at 10.32 p.m.,

Speaker 17 Ugh, hope my girl at Reach is okay. Love you.

Speaker 18 On January 3rd, 2013, after five days in Chestnut Ridge, Patricia picked Rachel up and drove to her lawyer, John Angati's office. Angati had called the U.S.

Speaker 18 Attorney's Office and told them his client was willing to talk if they could work out a deal.

Speaker 18 When Rachel arrived, she asked her parents to wait outside the room while she spoke with her lawyer, FBI agent Robert Ambrosini, who specializes in polygraph tests, and Ronnie Gaskins.

Speaker 18 There were just four of us in the room when she confessed. It was her, it was her attorney, John, and Gotti, it was myself, and it was the FBI agent.

Speaker 18 His name is Robert Ambrosini, and he assisted us on these interviews.

Speaker 18 I don't think she wanted her parents in there because, you know, I think she was scared because her mom was going to find out what did happen to Schuyler and what her involvement was.

Speaker 18 So her parents actually found out after the confession.

Speaker 18 I was expecting her to tell us what we thought had happened. There was this party because we kept getting all these rumors.
We don't know where it came from. We tried to narrow down the source.

Speaker 18 We couldn't, you know, we couldn't do that.

Speaker 18 But we were expecting her to finally say, Yes, you know, Skylar had overdosed on heroin or whatever.

Speaker 18 The first three words out of Rachel's mouth were, We stabbed her.

Speaker 18 And then, of course, you know,

Speaker 18 myself and the agent were speechless, or speechless for a little bit. And then, okay, wait, you know, let's, you know, let's throw her over.
Tell us exactly what happened.

Speaker 18 What do you mean, you stabbed her?

Speaker 18 Rachel pulled over a waste paper basket in case she vomited and proceeded to recount the events in detail, unburdening herself of her sins.

Speaker 18 And then that's when she started getting into the details: how her and Sheila had conspired with one another, planned to kill Skylar.

Speaker 18 The night that they carried it out,

Speaker 18 they had the knives concealed under their clothing, the shovel, and the cleaning supplies in the trunk of Sheila's car, and with the intent to drive her out there and kill her.

Speaker 17 Sheila had Rachel pick the date they'd take Schuyler out for a joyride. Rachel chose July 5th when, unbeknownst to Sheila, she would be at church camp.

Speaker 17 Camp was delayed, and Rachel was able to go out with Kelly Kearns on the boat that day.

Speaker 24 Kept thinking, why wouldn't she have had Rachel pick the date? And I'm like, well, she wanted Rachel to be committed, trying to get her more and more committed.

Speaker 24 And Rachel picks a date that she knew she wouldn't be in Morgantown.

Speaker 28 Because she'd be off to church camp, correct?

Speaker 20 Correct.

Speaker 24 By the devil himself,

Speaker 24 that camp would be closed.

Speaker 24 And she couldn't go. And she ended up still being in Morgantown.

Speaker 24 Because I think she just would have put Sheila off and gone off to camp.

Speaker 26 The holidays were there.

Speaker 26 Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year, everything that revolves around family.

Speaker 26 And i think that societal need to be around family and and give thanks and everything like that is kind of a driving force for her religion

Speaker 26 who kills somebody and then goes to church camp

Speaker 17 on january 3rd 2013 after confessing Rachel agreed to lead authorities out to the murder site in the woods past Blacksville. Gaskins was there.

Speaker 30 When Rachel led us out to the scene after her confession, there was a lot of snow.

Speaker 30 The FBI team could not do a proper search for the area.

Speaker 18 Without a body to corroborate the crime, Rachel was permitted to go home under strict orders not to discuss the contours of her plea deal.

Speaker 18 That night, Sheila, who'd tried so hard to see Rachel at Chestnut Ridge, went to Rachel's house to welcome her home. She posted a picture of the two reunited and smiling.

Speaker 17 Finally, got to see Rach.

Speaker 18 In the selfie taken by Sheila, who's smiling in a white zip-up hoodie and rectangle glasses, Rachel leans in behind her, only her face in full view. Her eyebrows are raised.

Speaker 18 There are dark circles under her eyes. She looks strained and with good reason.

Speaker 18 She's wearing a wire.

Speaker 22 He said they fucking did it. They stabbed her to them.

Speaker 30 They had FBI in the closet.

Speaker 30 They had FBI everywhere you can hide a human person. They'll never know.
That's what she said. Keep your mouth shut.
They'll never know.

Speaker 25 I do know she just heard his a cell phone before he came back and that made me think she knew. You know,

Speaker 25 she took a hammer to a cell phone.

Speaker 1 I couldn't solve that case.

Speaker 13 That eats me.

Speaker 13 Sorry.

Speaker 17 Three is an original production of Waveland. The series is created and written by Holly Millay and me, Justine Harmon.
The executive producer is Jason Hoke, who produced and edited the series.

Speaker 17 Associate producers are Lydia Horne and Leo Culp. Fact-checking by Lydia Horne.

Speaker 17 Sound engineering by Shane Freeman. Music by Robert Ellis.
Studio recording at CDM Studios in New York and Wild Woods Picture and Sound in Los Angeles.

Speaker 17 Special thanks to Dave and Mary Neese and the city of Morgantown, West Virginia. If you love the series, leave a review and please tell your friends.

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