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February 28th, 2025, just a couple months ago, we have a situation out of Waukesha, Wisconsin, where police are arriving at the home of a family of three to conduct a welfare check.

And then in a short period of time, the unimaginable takes place and becomes reality.

After officers enter the home, they discover not one body, but two bodies.

And then they find the third missing person from the home several hundreds of miles away, driving the vehicle of one of the deceased.

And that individual is Nikita Kassap, stepson of

homicide victim Donald Mayer and son of homicide victim Tatiana Kassap.

Yeah, only 17 years old.

17 years old, high school student, and from everything we've seen, a very good high school student, smart, had great attendance, perfect attendance.

In fact, it was his absence that tipped police off that something could be wrong.

Where we left off yesterday here, Captain, is we have Nikita in custody, in police custody after a routine traffic stop for failing to stop at a stop sign.

But he is in custody

states away.

And so he's going to be held.

We discussed what he's charged with.

He's not charged with homicide.

He's charged with stolen goods, basically, theft of the vehicle, theft of a handgun, driving without a license, failing to stop at a stop sign.

So he's arrested for charges that are going to be

very, very small considering what might come once they are able to look through the evidence and start to piece things together.

He's going to be held for extradition.

Now, let's go into a bit of a timeline here because, as you heard in part one,

there's a wealth of information that's coming from paperwork and search warrants and bolos and all the information that was being sent out to look for answers and look for

these people initially, and then that turns into a manhunt or at least looking for the vehicle that's missing from the home.

The vehicle's recovered.

Nikita is the driver, And this takes us to March 3rd.

So on February 28th, just before midnight, he's arrested.

Now on March 3rd, the Waukesha County Sheriff's Office, they obtained a search warrant for Nikita's cell phone.

Now, once they're reviewing the cell phone, The Sheriff's Office identified material on that phone related to the, quote, the order of the nine angles, end quote.

Upon further review of the phone, they also identified usernames for Nikita,

which included Awoken

and Accelerationist 14.

So these are handles that they believe Nikita was using when communicating with others via this phone.

Let's go to the next day here, Captain, March 4th.

This is when the Wakesha County Sheriff's Office executed another search warrant.

This one is for Donald Mayer's Volkswagen Atlas.

This is the vehicle that Nikita was driving at the time of his arrest and the vehicle that was missing from the home.

During the search of this vehicle, the following items were located in the vehicle.

A pride open safe,

women's jewelry, electronics, which included iPads, cell phones, and laptops.

We already mentioned that the decedents cell phones were found in the possession of Nikita inside this vehicle.

Approximately $14,000.

They also recovered banking documents, hard drives, and external storage devices.

And this is one that our longtime listeners will know of and be well aware of, and may even have them in their homes and properties: a simply safe home security sensor and a YA, YA, I'm sorry, a YI

security camera with a micro SD card.

Now, just looking at these items here, I think we can surmise that these aren't items that Donald Mayer was routinely driving around with in his vehicle.

These seem to be a cache of

items that Nikita probably collected from the home and chose to take with him to parts unknown, wherever he was attempting to go.

Yeah, we have evidence that he took their cell phones, that they took their IDs, so

it's reasonable to believe that he took other items to cover up his involvement in this double homicide.

The items that stand out to me here on this list that we just went through is the Pride Open Safe,

the expensive jewelry, and the $14,000.

This would be highly suggestive that maybe the motive for the double homicide was

the theft of these items, the theft of the money,

taking the safe from the home, probably prying it open within the home, and then, like, as you said, trying to hide some evidence and take that with him.

And along with that, we talk, you want to talk about evidence.

What What about the Simply Safe gear that was found in the vehicle?

What could those, the information on that Simply Safe gear tell

police and detectives?

Yeah, if I'm looking at this initially,

if I'm Jensen, right, I'm thinking this kid committed this crime.

I don't know how much of these items were planned.

before the crime happened.

And maybe the crime happened somewhat spontaneously,

but then afterwards he he's probably at the residence I mean based off of what your eyeballs are telling you well and but based off evidence that we have of him being at the house with these

the deceased victims during this time period if it was a spontaneous killing is then he trying to figure out well I'm not going to turn myself in so I'm going to have to then take items and go somewhere.

I got to, I can't stay here forever.

So we see that he stays at the house for a time period and then obviously goes on the run.

Jensen, you always think you have all the answers.

Jensen.

Well, let's go through some more of the information here.

So it's going to be a review of these items, right?

All of the items that they are finding when conducting these search warrants, be it at the home, on Nikita's person, or in the vehicle that was missing.

It's the recovery of these items that are going to further your investigation because you're going to be reviewing them, the data, the data on them, specifically his phone.

And we mentioned laptops and iPads.

So upon further review of Nikita's phone, police are seeing images and communications

that referenced a self-described manifesto regarding the assassination of the president, of the current president.

Also, bomb-making materials and terrorist attacks.

So when I say bomb-making materials, it doesn't appear that they're actual materials for building the bombs.

However, they are plans.

They are

instructions on how to build bombs and also

talks about terrorist attacks here in the United States.

I still don't understand why there's such a.

If you're into making bombs, you're also into manifestos.

Yeah, that's true.

Well, it's a creative bunch.

The Sheriff's Office review,

I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with the Telegram app, a communication app.

They are reviewing information on the Telegram messages, and these messages...

play an important role in the, not what we just discussed, right?

Not the assassination of the president or bomb-making or terrorist terrorist attacks.

These messages are important because of the timeframe, right?

We are of concern about the entire second half of the month of February regarding this home, these three individuals, two, which are now deceased in obvious homicides.

So these telegram messages were in Russian.

And I don't speak fluent Russian or read it.

So thankfully they have translated some of this for us.

Well, he was communicating with multiple people.

It's just one of the individuals was a Russian-speaking individual.

Correct.

And so, upon translation,

and look, we're not going to have all the information here.

As said, this is an active, ongoing investigation, especially at this point in our timeline.

But even still to this day,

we have

there's going to be a lot that may come out with this in the near, in the very near future.

So one of the

replies to Nikita is

reply to them all and say you got sick.

Right.

He's probably talking about replying to the school, replying to anybody that's messaging his parents on their cell phones.

And we do know from Donald's

co-worker or boss that he told police, yeah, I've been in regular communication with him, but it's all been via text.

And Donald told me he was too sick to talk on the phone, too sick to come in to work.

Donald's phone communicating with Donald's sister saying that he was pretty sick and was going to stay off of social media for a while.

This almost seems instructive, or he's sought out advice on how to handle the current situation that he's in, alone home with the two people he killed.

Another reply that he gets via telegram message says take

or drag

different reports, take

them to the basement, drag them to the basement.

This, to me, is obvious that it's indicative of suggestions of what to do with the bodies or attempt to conceal the bodies.

Obviously, this case has been talked about more because of this plot of possible possibly attempt to assassinate a president

and then bomb making but you have two homicides here your your goal now for law enforcement is not to worry about this secondary

situation

we need to collect as much evidence that we can so

What I think you're laying out is this is evidence that

obviously knew there were victims in the house.

He's asking somebody what to do with them

and

also ask asking how he can act in certain ways.

And I'm sure you're going to

enlighten us with

other incriminating statements towards Nikita.

Yeah, and some of this is going to be...

Look, I review this, and I don't know what kind of defense this guy can have.

It's, I mean,

so.

And we still don't know what's on the surveillance.

I mean, the surveillance might show us him killing his parents.

Well, that is it.

And I don't for a second, Captain, believe that they're giving us all the information.

That would be irresponsible of them.

This thing needs to be.

Jensen wouldn't allow it.

Jensen,

he always does the due diligence.

He follows through, goes above and beyond, makes no mistakes.

Yeah, makes no mistakes.

All right.

So you referenced the security camera footage, the Simply Safe

security footage.

So

when the sheriff's office reviews that micro SD card and the security camera,

here's what they're seeing.

Okay, this is from the time period of February 16th to the 22nd.

So about six days here, they

see on portions of this footage where it's Nikita.

So one of these cameras was in that office, that home office

on the first floor, which is an ideal place to place one.

So

they see footage of Nikita in the office.

Near him is a mound of blankets and pillows.

Now, we know that Donald's body was recovered in that home office, covered with blankets, clothing, and such.

And they can see on the footage of him in the room, he's rummaging through the desk, he's going through drawers, he's very clearly looking for stuff, he's removing stuff out of the room, and he's also lighting candles and incense.

Yeah, because dead bodies smell.

Put that on a t-shirt.

And so, I mean, this is,

I mean, I've heard of incriminating evidence.

This is beyond.

So,

as we said, on March 3rd is when they start executing some of these additional search warrants.

That's followed up again on March 4th.

It's not until March 5th that the medical examiners confirm the identities of the two victims that were found.

And

this is when they confirm for the public that the two deceased individuals that were located inside the home were, in fact, as suspected, Donald Mayer, age 51, and his wife, Tatiana Kasap, age 35, who is also the mother of the prime suspect, Nikita.

Both had been shot.

Tatiana was shot in the neck, upper torso, abdomen, and right wrist.

And Donald Mayer was shot in the head.

And the early reports just simply said sometime earlier.

This is when we start to hear from Donald's mother, Judith Mayer.

Remember, she is one of the individuals that was calling in and requesting the welfare check that initially kicked this whole thing off.

Yeah, do we know what's going on with his?

Because obviously, Donald is his stepfather, but what's going on with his real father?

That is lacking from the information that I was able to get my hands on.

Yeah, because I'm looking at reports from

People Magazine, AP News.

Who else am I looking at?

I mean, a bunch of people have covered this case, obviously, and there is no

Fox News, no mention

of his biological father.

Well, I think.

Obviously, that might just be to protect him.

Could be, but what I believe is I don't, it doesn't appear that the father had

was involved

with Nikita at the time of the murders, or it actually looks to me, and I suspect this is, I don't have any proof of this, but my suspicion is that the father may have been either totally absent or at least absent for several years.

Because

so

the two had been married, right?

Tatiana and Donald had been married for nine years.

So this wasn't a new living situation for anyone.

And the two got married after they met online.

This is when Tatiana was living in a whole nother country called

Moldova.

So this is out between, I believe it's between.

So the biological father could be in a whole nother country.

Yes, a whole other country.

And Moldova, I believe, is, yeah, it's between Romania and Ukraine.

So it's a distant

country.

And they had been married for nine years.

Now, this is where the information from Donald's mother fills us in on some of

the lifestyle, or at least some of the dynamics of the family.

She says to, this is to NBC News, she says, quote, Donald didn't have any other children.

So when he married, he enjoyed having a son, and they did father-son stuff.

They went to all kinds of places, to the beach, to ball games, all that kind of stuff, she says.

Judith Mayer said that she was impressed with how quickly Nikita picked up English from scratch and that she couldn't recall any tensions between him and her son.

The teenager had perfect attendance before he failed to show up for class for two weeks, prompting the welfare check request from school officials, according to the criminal complaint.

And we go on to hear more from Donald's mother.

She says, quote, he did very well in school, meaning Nikita.

He got good grades.

He was quiet.

He was polite.

Teachers never mentioned that there was anything wrong.

Judith Mayer said her son had the gun for for protection, but she was unaware of any possible threats that he meaning he didn't buy it for a specific reason other than just for basic home protection.

She goes on to say that her son, Donald, and his stepson, Nikita, both had green thumbs and enjoyed working outside in the yard together.

Donald, she says, loved flowers.

There was always a lot of planting of flowers and trees at the property.

Whenever he he went out to do anything, he always asked Nikita to come with him and they would do the work together.

So

with that, and I know this is just one person's perception of what's going on or what may have been going on in the house or what she was aware of, but

what I'm seeing here, and this is all surface material, so some of it could fall apart.

The more you dig, I don't know.

But what I think we're seeing here, Captain, is

these homicides very likely had little to do with any type of hatred or rage that Nikita may have had for his mother or stepfather.

Then it may have more to do with the stuff that we just went through.

That the police are saying that we discovered this in some kind of self-described manifesto

with the

goal of assassinating the president, making bombs and conducting terrorist attacks.

Yeah, but these

dark places on the web, and obviously you, as a parent, even though he's 17,

this is where it becomes tricky.

And I'm going to say some stuff, and I hope people don't take it as victim blaming, but even a 17-year-old needs to be monitored on their internet activity and who they're communicating, what apps they're using.

And

look, I think a lot of us are guilty of this in this day and age where everything's so fast, everything's moving on a fast pace.

Almost every time I talk to somebody, hey, how's life?

Oh, busy, very busy.

I think busy is a disgusting word.

Like, I've never heard anybody go, man, I'm busy, and it's good.

It's good busy.

No, it's mostly like, no, we're busy.

We're losing track of the day.

And I think a lot of these, look, it's a giant house with three individuals.

And they probably were trying to give him some space.

He's a good student.

He's a good kid.

Oh, he's up in his room, he's up playing on his computer, no big deal.

But

you do have to monitor these things because,

especially at who knows when he started these communications with individuals and

what you know, YouTube video he listened to or watched, what podcast he listened to,

what was happening in this kid's

private, almost secretive life.

And And like you said, maybe all this,

the homicides are because they discovered

this

secret world that he had.

But I think some of this, I think it's very easy for parents to have jobs and responsibilities and all these things.

And as the kid gets older, that they're a little neglectful.

on what's happening in their child's world.

Yeah.

And that, of course, gets more difficult when they reach these teenage years.

I mean, he's 17, almost an adult, and it's anybody that's lived with teenagers, raised teenagers, had them themselves, know that they get very closed off from you, most of them.

I wouldn't say all of them, but my experience and from what I've observed with other people's families, and look, me myself too, when I was a teenager.

Was my favorite thing to talk to my mom or dad when I was 17?

Not really.

Looking back, I wish it would have been.

But,

you know, it's yes, and it's difficult.

And two,

take it a step further.

Yes, he's been here for nine years, but he does come from a part of the world that is experiencing a lot of conflict

in very recent times.

And how much communication is he having with friends or family back home?

Yes.

And

is that

shaping any of his thoughts and beliefs?

Well, and the FBI actually went to their home on a previous occasion.

So

this is where they're still reviewing the technology, right?

They're still reviewing devices that are Nikita's, and now they are looking at TikTok.

And this is from late 2024.

These are communications where Awoken, remember that was one of his handles,

was saying, It's kind of interesting how I told this girl, best friend, about how I follow O9A.

So that's the order of the nine angles that we talked about.

So, order of nine angles teachings and whatnot.

And she was pretty chill about it.

He goes on to say, I feel like mostly people would freak out.

LOL

says, Does any girl know you're into 09A?

Charlie Manson, question mark.

Mystic,

sorry, some of these handles I'm struggling with, but

somebody's replying said, well, they know.

And then Awoken is saying, my parents don't know LOL.

They would take my phone away if they did, especially since last year FBI visited LOL.

Okay, so here's what we learn off of this, Captain.

The FBI interviewed the family of three in November of 2023 for unrelated internet IP activity.

All members of the family denied the IP activity, and agents were allowed to view devices in Internet history and found no corroboration of the alleged internet activity.

Yeah, but again, if FBI is coming to my house and they're questioning activity and my son is being somewhat secretive, all devices would be terminated from his possessions.

Yeah, and they may have done that

because we do see him saying to somebody, if they did know, they would take away my phone.

If they did know, they'd take away my device, especially because the FBI came last year, LOL.

Maybe he's saying they did that as a precautionary

method, and at some point he earned the phone back.

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Cheers, mates.

Cheers to you, Captain.

I think I might need a vacation

from

all the doom and gloom that we talk about each week.

Happy Mother's Day.

Well, there would have been a lot of doom and gloom if this Nikita was able to carry out what his plans are per his communications with these other individuals that they found on his devices and phone.

Because what he was saying,

I'm going to summarize this for all of you.

We'll get to the manifesto part, but I want to talk about some of these communications without having to go through all of the back and forth of it.

And plus these stupid handles that people use.

Mine is Maverick Jensen.

I have only the best handles.

All right.

Love handles.

Just like Gary Payton, I got the best handles.

With these communications, the short of it is this.

He, Nikita, appears to be

attempting to,

he wants to overthrow the United States government.

And this is,

look,

this story by itself is beyond bizarre.

This story happening when we were trying to put together the Hate Made in America story is incredibly bizarre as well.

That the timing of that, because a lot of the stuff that he's talking about in his communications are similar to the things that we saw with groups like the Aryan Nation and these other groups that we discussed in Hate in America in America Made in the six-part series.

The short of it here is that he wants to

set into place a series of events, chaotic and destructive events, that will cause extreme chaos in the United States and then flee and get the hell out of here and kind of like a pyromaniac, watch it all burn to the ground.

Yeah, like the Joker.

So he's communicating with some of these individuals that are overseas.

We mentioned the one individual that he was talking, speaking with in Russian.

He's asking these people, can you get me out of here?

If I kick these dominoes and they start to fall, can you get me out of here so I don't get caught?

And then can you keep me safe and house me somewhere so that I can get away with this?

And the people he's talking to are basically saying, yes, we will help you.

We will help conceal you.

And he says, look,

what happens to me

eventually they're going to find out that I did this, meaning not just the United States, but the authorities authorities of whatever country I'm being concealed in at the time.

What happens to me when they find out?

And they're basically

stating to them: we will set you up.

We will provide you with an underground railroad to keep you safe and house you until it's safe for you to come out of hiding.

And you might even be revered as some kind of revolutionist or some kind of hero in the end game for this,

for making all of this take place.

Now, the crux of his plan is to get funds to start these attacks,

this chaos that he wants to ensue, this destructive activity, these essential,

they're basically terrorist attacks that he wants to carry out in the United States so that

it all goes to hell and

the United States crumbles.

But he's going to need money for that.

He's a lone wolf.

He's acting by himself, even though he does have people that have made him promises afar, people that have made him promises to keep him safe and to house him eventually.

How's he going to fund this activity?

He's going to fund it by stealing the money and valuables from his parents.

Which might have been part of the motive for the homicides.

Which is 100%, according to...

the beliefs of the detectives and the FBI working this case.

It sounds like the information they've reviewed and the evidence they've reviewed, they believe that that is the majority reason, if not the sole purpose, for him killing the parents.

Which seems incredibly deranged to me, but again, yeah, but this guy has a lot of

deranged thoughts.

I mean, one of it, it seems going through the manifesto, seems like some of his beliefs are coming from

Adolf Hitler.

So

if you're looking to

for inspiration from adolf hitler you might not be in the right frame of mind no there there's nothing in here to suggest that he is in the right frame of mind in fact you're exactly right there captain there's everything in these

in this manifesto in his communications with other people to suggest that he's in the complete wrong frame of mind.

And look,

I hate, I loved your joke about the bomb makers or your slight about the bomb makers and manifestos because I hate manifestos.

And this is a true crime dork that enjoys communications.

I love letters.

I love notes.

I love phone calls, but I hate manifestos.

I feel like manifestos is a madman's way of trying to explain to the world, here's why I did all the crazy shit that I did.

I'm not crazy.

I'm not a homicidal maniac.

I'm a man of principle.

I have values.

I'm trying to right or wrong.

I'm trying to show you the correct way.

Yeah, but when you kill,

right, and that's the thing, when you kill innocent people,

that proves you don't have values.

That proves you don't have.

So it's just like you can.

You've run out of ideas.

Right.

You can read Ted Kaczynski's manifestos and agree with some of the stuff he has in there about maybe there's parts of technology that are bad or that are taking over the world and and taking over

the human experience.

But once you start then trying to,

again,

justify killing innocent people

through these, it's like, okay, cool, that's fine that you, you think these things are bad, but I can go on Facebook or YouTube or I can make a podcast saying, saying, hey, I think technology has gotten out of hand.

Or like my little manifesto a couple of minutes ago on the fact that everybody seems so busy all the time.

And maybe that's not the way we need to be living life.

Maybe we need to slow down a little bit.

But

I can make

these observations.

and affect change in the world without having to kill people in in order to do so.

Yeah, Kaczynski's manifesto, and

that's the one I might despise the most

as far as manifestos go, because there's so many people, especially get online, they're like, well, he makes some good points.

And well, no shit, his IQ is through the roof.

On its surface, there are going to be things in there that will make sense and even sound

intelligent.

But at its core, it's complete bullshit.

So let's get into this, the manifesto here of this Nikita.

So

it states that the FBI personnel performing the review of these devices, they were able to locate and view images of a three-page document entitled Accelerate the Collapse.

The images, which appear to be screen grabs of a document that was displayed on a phone, were created on February 28th, 2025.

The document appears to be the manifesto referenced by this accelerationist in the messages with the unknown user in

some of the communications that we've already gone through.

Basically calling for the assassination of the president of the United States in order to foment a

in order to start a political revolution in the United States and save the white race from Jewish-controlled politicians.

The third page of that document references what you were talking about here, Captain.

It contained images of Adolf Hitler with text that says, hail Hitler, hail the white race, hail victory.

Digging through this a little more, there

says, as to why specifically Trump,

I think it's obvious.

By getting rid of the president and perhaps the vice president as well, that is guaranteed to bring some chaos.

And not only that, but it will further bringing into the public the idea that assassinations and accelerating the collapse are in fact possible things to do.

Some more.

Now, what if you say you aren't capable of committing these acts?

This is perfectly fine for now.

The best thing you can do is to tribe and train.

So this would be

try to find like-minded individuals or corrupt individuals

through your speech and through your writings or influence individuals into joining your bullshit cause and then train them in some kind of paramilitary merit paramilitary fashion yeah but this

is where i find it funny

you can tell this is all bullshit because when somebody says find like-minded individuals like

you have to find other individuals that have these crazy thoughts you know if you want to if you really want to make change

the way to do so is find individuals that don't have the same ideas as you

and find multiple groups and multiple people that have different sets of ideas and values and bring everybody together and try to make some kind of compromise or some kind of system that will work for everyone.

That's how you would make real change.

Make connections, it says join white conscious martial arts clubs because once America collapses, there will have to be a network that can take its place, take the place of

our government and our communities.

Right.

It goes on to say, find bomb-making instructions.

And they do reference a bunch of books, and I'm not even going to go through the books that they reference because

there's some Yahoo listening to this going, hey, this sounds pretty interesting.

We're not giving you the titles for reading material.

No, we will have a recommended reading at the end of today's show, but it won't include any of these titles that are listed here.

It'll be the gospel according to Luke.

Gospel according to the Colonel.

So one thing that he talks about wanting to do is

assassinate the president, but there's also going to be a series of attacks that he's going to carry out.

And I imagine that

without having the information, it would appear that the

idea is to build these bombs and conduct these terrorist attacks.

And he's stating that

at this time, after killing the president, I don't know what these other attacks will be, he's basically saying.

But I will tell you this: when you see a series of 10 attacks,

10 terrorist attacks, know that that was me.

Yeah.

So, and this is, this will further that thought here.

It says, quote,

as a side note, the other attacks that may occur, I have no idea what they are slash who they target.

I have no idea even if they are same ideology as I.

Point being, this manifesto is specifically for the attack that targets Trump.

There'll never be a perfect revolutionary situation that springs up out of nowhere.

We need to create a revolutionary situation ourselves.

I do agree that only if terrorism is sustained over a period of time can it be effective.

In short, huge amounts of violence will be required.

Long past are the days when we can vote for a Hitler to save us.

It is time we stop waiting.

The best day to commit an attack is today.

The next best day is tomorrow.

This is so bizarre.

Long we are past the days of being able to vote for Hitler to save us.

And then some individuals think that Trump is Hitler, but this guy doesn't

take that belief.

It's just

so bizarre.

Well,

within the information that they've made public here, too, the FBI does a decent job of attempting to educate us, the general public, on

what some of this may mean or what it has ties to.

And when they do that, they're referencing a nihilistic violent extremist,

individuals who engage in criminal conduct within the United States and abroad in furtherance of political, social, or religious goals that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large and a desire to bring about its collapse by sowing indiscriminate chaos, destruction, and social instability.

Nihilistic violent extremists work individually or as part of a network with these goals of destroying civilized societies through the corruption and exploitation of vulnerable populations, which often include minors.

And we know in this situation that to be true with the minor, and he's communicating with people abroad.

This is not

like we already referenced that it's very similar to Timothy McVay,

Oklahoma City, the

Richard Snell, who we talked about and hate American made.

This is also not unlike what we first suspected and now we are finding is very likely true the horrific attack that took place New Year's Eve in New Orleans, where it's an American, where we have someone here who's conducting this violence and very likely not just communicating, but also might be receiving some kind of inspiration or help from somebody abroad.

Some of these groups, most of them, in fact, that aren't here or don't have boots on the ground here, through the internet and through social media, they're finding ways to influence and weaponize Americans.

And

this, look,

they foiled his plan.

I don't know that, I don't think that he would have gotten away with any of this.

Who knows if he would have even carried it out?

What we do know that he carried out is the murder, almost execution style of his stepfather and the murder of his own mother to steal from them.

Shit, man, you could have waited till they were at work taking all their things, taking their gun.

It's it's so, I mean,

I hate to use the word unfortunate because that doesn't even start to get near the situation.

But these two people lost their lives because of this man's craziness.

And two people that were trying to provide opportunities for him to have a better future.

This kid is described as smart from the people at the school.

And if the house and the family dynamic and the home life was as described by Donald's mother,

this is an ideal living situation for any 17-year-old.

And now we sit here with a lot of questions, right?

It's a lot of information to try try to digest, a lot of it

giving us more questions,

and a lot of this is going to

get played out in the court of law.

Maybe, who knows?

Like I said, this is beyond incriminating evidence in my mind.

And I don't know what kind of defense this kid will have.

It would probably be in his best interest to sing like a bird and plead guilty to all of the charges.

But this is the investigation.

True crime, you know, many people get into true crime for many different reasons.

The thing that fascinates me with these true crime stories is the investigation, because the investigation themselves are just equally as unique as the crimes.

And here,

what we saw play out was

an investigation of the simplest of forms: a resource officer at the high school making an inquiry about an absent child a mother making and requesting a welfare check of her 51 year old son successful son in his family that's the simplest of investigations and it quickly turns into a missing persons case investigation a homicide then double homicide investigation an investigation where you have a wanted individual who has crossed state lines in a stolen vehicle with a stolen firearm and then once he's arrested and you review the materials on his person and in the vehicle with him, you quickly figure out: holy shit, this is a federal investigation.

He's very likely going to be convicted on all levels, at all levels, the state level and the federal

level.

And

they're going to have to decide if they try him as an adult.

But he's going to be facing,

I think he is

set to appear in court on the 7th, maybe,

of May.

Correct.

So he is due in court on May 7th, which will be very shortly after this hits your earballs.

It does appear that not only was he communicating with people outside of this country, but he may have been attempting to flee.

This is one part of it, Captain, that I would like to know more about because there is talk.

communication that they found that is highly suggestive that not only would he be paid for these horrific acts and for murder, they talk about Bitcoin instructions.

So, not only is he going to be housed, but someone is giving him the belief that he's going to be paid

for setting

chaos in motion.

Exactly.

And there's also talk about, it looks to me like there was somewhat of

a very

flawed, but it appears to me that there was a basic flee plan as well, fleeing from the country, because there's communication talking back and forth about him needing to get to Eureka, California.

So obviously law enforcement is going to try to convict him of the murder charges.

That will put him away for life.

But also, he might just be the tip of the spear.

And through this investigation, maybe

they'll be able to, and maybe if Nikita is able to get some kind of mental health

assistance, you know, to get him in a better mental state, that maybe he'll be able to provide information to authorities and the FBI

to

uncover some of these individuals that he was speaking to.

on the interwebs.

Yes, and that's exactly right.

So this is, according to a classmate of Nikita's, this is what the FBI is saying, that Nikita told this classmate that he was in contact with a male in Russia via telegram, and they were planning to overthrow the government of the United States and assassinate President Trump.

Nikita told the classmate that when they saw 10 consecutive attacks in the news, it would have been him.

And then the FBI states in their report to the judge, stating, in sum, Nikita appears to have written a manifesto calling for the assassination of the president of the United States.

He was in touch with other parties about his plan to kill the president and overthrow the government of the United States.

And he paid for, at least in part, a drone and explosives to be used as a weapon of mass destruction to commit an attack.

The killing of his parents appeared to be an effort to obtain the financial means necessary to carry out his plans.

Other parties with whom Nikita was in contact appear to have been aware of his plan and actions and have provided assistance to Nikita in carrying them out.

I want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week.

And I want to thank the listeners that reached out to us to say, hey, I saw this case in the news.

I'd like to do a deep dive on it.

Could you please fill us in?

And we get these types of emails each and every week.

So not only is this case recommended, but the case that we talk about on Off the Record this week was highly recommended.

So check that out on Apple Podcast or Patreon.

Colonel, do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners?

Yes, and don't forget to follow the show on Instagram and X as well.

Recommended reading for this week, Captain, is Koresh, the true story of David Koresh and the tragedy at Waco by Stephen Talte.

Stephen Talte is a New York Times best-selling author with two of his books being made into films, most notably

his book, A Captain's Duty with Richard Phillips.

So from that came the Oscar-winning Captain Phillips movie that so many people enjoyed.

As Stephen Talty writes, there is no other event in the last 50 years shrouded in myth like the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas.

There's many, many books about Waco.

There's many, many books about David Koresh.

I've reviewed a couple of them.

Not all of them, several of them.

This one I thought was the most informative, the most deep dive.

I thought this one was the best and really, truly the best written.

That's Koresh, the The True Story of David Koresh and the Tragedy at Waco by Stephen Talty.

But you don't have to write that title down right now because you can go to truecrimegarage.com, click on our recommended page, and you will find that great recommendation, as well as many others.

Some are documentaries, some are books, some are podcasts.

Go there and check out the stuff that influences us here in the garage.

And until next week, be good, be kind, and don't live.