CONCACAF Nations League Loss: USMNT Reactions & Concerns

Speaker 1 There's no divine right to win a game. You have to go earn it.
They have to win the Gold Cup. After the Gold Cup's over, there's no more competitive games prior to the World Cup.

Speaker 1 Does anybody understand that?

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Speaker 1 LD, what's happening, bud? Usually we have a little bit of banter at the top. Today feels like a day of mourning.
We're not going to banter.

Speaker 1 Banter for me, buddy. There's a lot.
This is, no, this is CONCACAF, Nations League, wrap-up.

Speaker 1 And it's not a lot of fun. It's not a lot of fun.
I'm going to start us off by reading a quote from none other than yourself

Speaker 1 that went viral

Speaker 1 because people like to hear unfiltered takes. And you said after the game, I'm sick of hearing how talented this group of players is and all the amazing clubs they play for.

Speaker 1 If you aren't going to show up and actually give a shit about playing for your national team, decline the invite. Talent is great, pride is better.
On that note, I'm going to let you go.

Speaker 1 Well, let me just,

Speaker 1 you know, when you go through like a

Speaker 1 either a breakup or a hard time, or you go through all the emotions, right? And so I was expecting this morning because last night was the Canada game.

Speaker 1 I was expecting to wake up much more calm, much more relaxed.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, I'm frustrated as someone who dedicated not only his adult life, but his entire life to helping soccer grow, as you did,

Speaker 1 at

Speaker 1 the attitude and the demeanor and the effort. Now, I want to be careful because words matter.

Speaker 1 There were players on the field who cared, okay?

Speaker 1 But caring about playing a sport that you get paid to do should be the absolute bare minimum. Okay.
The absolute bare minimum. Just

Speaker 1 give a shit about actually playing. Okay.

Speaker 1 But when you play for your national team,

Speaker 1 and like I have chills just talking about this right now.

Speaker 1 There is such a responsibility. You know what we used to do, Tim?

Speaker 1 Sometimes, you know, one of my first trips ever with the national team, we went to South Korea because we were going to play in the World Cup. I was on that trip.
So we went the year before. Yep.

Speaker 1 And we went to the DMZ. And for people who don't know, the DMZ is the demilitarized zone between South Korea and North Korea.
And you walk, there's this little building, and you walk in the building.

Speaker 1 And halfway through the building, you're in South Korean territory. And halfway, the other half, you're in North Korea.

Speaker 1 And you have these armored guards, Korean, American, North Korean, standing there. And it hits you in the face, dude.

Speaker 1 And you're like, whoa, these guys are protecting something way bigger than themselves.

Speaker 1 And they're putting their lives on the line for our country. Okay.

Speaker 1 When you put on your jersey and you see the stars and stripes and you hear the national anthem, I don't care if there's one person in the crowd or six million people.

Speaker 1 You have an obligation to give a shit.

Speaker 1 Okay. And be proud about playing for your country.
And there were too many guys the last two games. And before that, by the way, there was the Mexico Away game that we watched a few months ago.

Speaker 1 I'm like, do they even want to be out there? Are they willing to do something to put themselves on the line, to risk something to get a result? Now, look, we're talking about soccer.

Speaker 1 It's not the end of the world, okay?

Speaker 1 But if you can't do that, just don't come into camp. Anthony Robinson wasn't feeling physically right.
There's something going on. He said, you know, I appreciate it, but I can't.

Speaker 1 Fine, fair enough, fine. If you're going to go, you're going to do all the social media shit and all the posts and all that and take all that, then show up and perform.
Okay. And that's it.

Speaker 1 That's a starting point. If you lose, you lose.
We all lost games.

Speaker 1 So I'm just, I'm so sick of it. They're so talented.
They play at these great clubs. I'm like, who cares, dude? You know who doesn't play at great clubs? The Panamanian players.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Yep.
You know? And by the way, Tim, and we'll get into all this. And I'm going to go on a bunch of tangents to apologize in advance if people hate it.

Speaker 1 no apologies that's what we do mauricio pochatino grew up in argentina okay can you imagine argentina playing uruguay and eight or nine of the players on the field gave that kind of effort dude they listen they would not be able to leave their hotel room to get back on the plane they wouldn't the fans wouldn't let them they'd say you ain't leaving sorry bro

Speaker 1 and our guys are just like oh ho home okay i'll go back to my club and make my millions of dollars and i'm sick of it man i'm sick of it. I am.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 I hear you. I mean, I think when I look, when I look overall at the two games,

Speaker 1 massive disappointment, massive, because here's the thing.

Speaker 1 This is from an overall view. This is from a fan.
Yes, I analyzed soccer for a living, but as a fan,

Speaker 1 I'm hugely disappointed because None of this feels or looks good.

Speaker 1 U.S. soccer, and I've got some dear friends at U.S.
soccer, and they ain't going to want to hear this.

Speaker 1 Yo, I watched the game yesterday.

Speaker 1 Again, I'm not the crowd control police, but I'm going to continue to wear the hat. There's nobody there.

Speaker 1 I played in the most bang average summer friendlies at the most terrible time of the day in God knows what city. And there was more people than there was for that game.

Speaker 1 So the planning, it's the planning for both the semifinal and the final and third place game were horrific. They're playing in front of nobody.
So that's okay.

Speaker 1 So let me jump in real quick to that because I got clarity on this this morning. So this is a CONCACAF event.
Okay. Yeah.
So CONCACAF controls it. Okay.

Speaker 1 So as far as that goes, that's a CONCACAF issue. However, that being said, U.S.
soccer is obviously

Speaker 1 CONCACAF's most important player. Yeah, of course.
Mexico being 1A. Of course.
Right. So you figure out a way to not play the opening game on Thursday.
Of course.

Speaker 1 And by the way, CONCACAF and with U.S. soccer, like they're having these conversations.
Don't make the lowest ticket price $100.

Speaker 1 Right. Because it's ridiculous.
Make it accessible so people can get in and watch. It's a joke.

Speaker 1 It's a joke. Now,

Speaker 1 I just want to give U.S. soccer some grace there.
However, if I'm U.S. soccer and you're having these negotiations and CONCAF's like, we're going to make the lowest ticket price $100.

Speaker 1 You're like, no, you ain't.

Speaker 1 You're going to play at $3.30 in the opening game. No, we ain't.

Speaker 1 We're playing at 7.30. Totally.

Speaker 1 Okay, continue. 100%.

Speaker 1 And so, so, so that was an issue, right? But believe me, not the biggest issue. There's no divine right to win a football match.

Speaker 1 So this isn't the concept of like, they should have won both games and to hell with them. No, that's not, that's not the case.
But

Speaker 1 but the idea that

Speaker 1 my firm belief is

Speaker 1 if we're, if we're in big games, and these were big games, these were semifinal and

Speaker 1 a competitive third place game.

Speaker 1 If we're going to get beat, beat, you're going to walk off the field limping. That's the exchange.
We don't get beat in you, Cruz. Ain't how it works.

Speaker 1 If we're going to get beat, you're going to earn it and you're actually going to be desperate to get off the field.

Speaker 1 Because listen, I've played in games where my team's chasing shadows, but we've actually gone, kicked the lump, and people don't want to hear that. That's the thing.
Football's too expensive now.

Speaker 1 Play between lines, get the ball in the six-yard box and play. No, it's about everybody.
everybody in the world. The best game in world football is El Clásico, or it has been, right?

Speaker 1 Barcelona versus Real Madrid. Please, the next time you have an opportunity, watch the first 20 minutes of that game.
There's nothing pretty about it.

Speaker 1 It's the best footballers in the world, and there's nothing pretty about it because it's a mentality. It's a siege mentality.

Speaker 1 It's draw the lines, fight for what you're going to get, and then the game opens up. I'm disappointed.

Speaker 1 I'm disappointed that it took for Giorena to come on the pitch and take a guy's knee off, and then there wants to be a kerfuffle and a coming together.

Speaker 1 Ever watch hockey, you ever watch hockey when you're playing a rival? Sometimes a puck isn't even

Speaker 1 touched before someone draws the battle lines. And so, I there's a there's a competitive element that's missing with this team.

Speaker 1 Yes, there's talent in certain areas, of course, there's talent in certain areas.

Speaker 1 What we love, and we talk about it all the time, but we have to talk about the other side of it-the competitive nature, the leadership. That's a big issue for this team.

Speaker 1 And Mauricio Pachatino was saying, I think he was quoting, we have time. I tend to disagree with him a little bit because here's the thing, LD.

Speaker 1 This group of players got a manager sacked, lost three of the last four to Panama,

Speaker 1 have an abysmal showing in the Nations League, abysmal. To finish fourth is a crime.

Speaker 1 And now, and by the way, by the way, before anybody, and we love your comments, so bring them in. Before any of the current players get upset with me, I've gotten coaches sacked as well.

Speaker 1 I've been a part of groups. You've been a part of groups that you don't perform well enough.
Your teammates don't perform well enough where you get your coaches sacked. It sucks.

Speaker 1 But this group got a coach sacked,

Speaker 1 lost three out of four to Panama, finished fourth in the Nations League. I tell you what, tell you what.

Speaker 1 If you thought all eyes were going to be on the Gold Cup, by God, by God,

Speaker 1 they have to win. They have to win the Gold Cup.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 After the Gold Cup's over, there's no more competitive games prior to the World Cup. Does anybody understand that? I know there's friendlies.
And by the way, the way this group is going,

Speaker 1 they're not going to all be together.

Speaker 1 They're not going to be all together for these friendlies. There'll be guys, there'll be certain guys pulling out.
That's okay. That happens.
But guess what? You've run out of time.

Speaker 1 So unless the entire group is together and wins the Gold Cup, I'm worried.

Speaker 1 But yes, I think Pachatino, when he says there's time, I think there's probably like another month, month and a half in terms of time. After that, there's no more competitive games, simply put

Speaker 1 all right we're gonna we'll go all over the place but let's just start with with pochattino and what he's learned right so

Speaker 1 again i'm gonna use a dating analogy if you're dating someone and they're crazy you rather find out after the second date that they're crazy yeah you don't want to be three years in and go oh he's crazy or she's crazy right so I'm my guess is he's going back, watching the games, watching individuals and some of the performances and some of the ways the effort, like the full effort wasn't there and going, I got to think about this one.

Speaker 1 Right. Because you know whose effort was there, Tim?

Speaker 1 The guy who nobody's heard of until three weeks ago, Diego Luna, or in January, like that guy cares. He cares.
He was chasing down the goalkeeper at the end of the game. Like he cared.

Speaker 1 It meant something to him. It meant something to him.
More than just a normal soccer game. And there's lots of reasons why something can mean more to you.

Speaker 1 It doesn't have to be because you have this crazy, amazing American pride. Okay.
Yes, they do, whatever. Maybe it's, I need my next paycheck.

Speaker 1 I need my next contract. I don't, that's fine.
No problem.

Speaker 1 You know, guys, especially before us and some of the guys during ours were making 80 grand a year and they were like, that $4,000 extra bonus to win this game, I need it. I got bills to pay.

Speaker 1 I need it. Guys now, they don't need that.
Okay. So the money motivation is out of the equation for these guys.

Speaker 1 It just needs to mean more to you. And I don't know how you find that, where you find that, but you better find it because it means more to Panama.
It meant more to Canada. It means more to Mexico.

Speaker 1 It should never. I mean, here's the thing, right? So, so we agree on this.
Tyler Adams was quoted after the game. And it's really interesting because sometimes it's

Speaker 1 when you read something that a player says or a manager says, you then have to dissect it. Tyler Adams said, I mean, listen, it's hard for me to judge.
I think my mentality is a little bit different.

Speaker 1 I'd agree with that. I think we need to have every single person buy into exactly what we're doing and why we're trying to do it.

Speaker 1 But it's just the little things for me, duels, tackles, leaving your mark on the field, not being naive in certain moments, being a little bit more clever.

Speaker 1 All the details of the game that I feel when I watch people play with their clubs, we do, right?

Speaker 1 So, and then, and then he finishes the quote and says, and then we come here sometimes i think we forget a little bit what the games are going to give us so that's what he said right ld

Speaker 1 my issue with what he said is

Speaker 1 he's a little bit different he was no no no but but he was saying and i agree with tyler adams he's saying he is different his mentality is different he'll leave something on you right so basically he's talking about the players around him And he's saying, and he's saying, I'm a little bit different,

Speaker 1 but everybody, we need everybody to buy in, which means that not everybody's buying in. And by the way, this is what I just said, this is what I just said.
The duels, the tackles,

Speaker 1 leaving something,

Speaker 1 that's a prerequisite. As soon as you cross the line, you should be like, that's sort.
I don't know if we're going to score today, but I'm going to win my challenges.

Speaker 1 I'm going to put somebody on the ground and they're going to know they win a game.

Speaker 1 Done, right? The rest of it, we don't know.

Speaker 1 And so I just, you know, I think about, I think about,

Speaker 1 I like what he's saying. I'm wondering how much of that is translating into the dressing room.
Let me give you an example. When we were, and we played, I think we probably played 100 times together.

Speaker 1 There were times where I would call someone to accord, but

Speaker 1 players, brothers of mine, who I love dearly, will get their finger this close to my face and say, you ain't performed today. You ain't done good enough.

Speaker 1 And because of the personality I had, I stood up. I bowed up.
We got to grips with each other, right? But you know what happened?

Speaker 1 I went back out on the pitch and I thought that shivered me to my core. I hated that feeling of being called out and letting somebody down, that it will never ever happen again.

Speaker 1 But I needed that reminder. And players that I was around were big enough, bold enough, and strong enough to say that to me.

Speaker 1 And there's been times you've looked across the dress room at me and said things. And I thought that hurt because I respect this guy.
But leaders, the problem is leaders can't be liked.

Speaker 1 If you want to be a leader and be liked, you're in the wrong profession, right? Because I had players yourself

Speaker 1 more

Speaker 1 nasty was Clint and Jermaine Jones and Michael Bradley. These are all people that I call friends and brothers.
But you know what? I tell you something.

Speaker 1 They would prefer to win first and lose my friendship than to keep my friendship and lose a game. That's a matter of fact.
I love Michael Bradley. He is eternally my brother.
But I can tell you this.

Speaker 1 He'd give up dinners and wine with me. to win.

Speaker 1 And that's the difference between being a leader and not being.

Speaker 1 Let me follow up on that. There was, we found, our producers found a great quote from Walker Zimmerman after the Olympics or during the Olympics.
He said this to Sam Borden.

Speaker 1 He believes the biggest thing his younger Olympic teammates will take away is appreciation for representing the USA. That gives me chills.
Something he said has begun to slip with this U.S.

Speaker 1 men's player pool. Raw candor from the veteran.

Speaker 1 His quote was, I think to some degree we've gotten away from that and feel like just because we're whoever you are, that you just, you just can get called in. That stuff pisses me off.

Speaker 1 I think guys need to, every time they put on the jersey, I don't care how talented you are, you want to play with pride.

Speaker 1 And I think we have the characters to do it, but we don't always do it, which is exactly what I said.

Speaker 1 That's so, you know, we can be the old men, you know, yelling at the cloud. This guy was in the locker room, Tim.
He's in the locker room and he's saying it. And

Speaker 1 again, we're going all over the place, but

Speaker 1 I wanted to go back and watch these games and analyze it and get to a point where I'm like, you know, how is Mauricio Pochettino trying to get this team to play? What are they starting to look like?

Speaker 1 What things are they doing? And now I'm like, it doesn't matter what we do.

Speaker 1 If you don't get that first part right, you have zero chance of competing at a high level. You'll win some games because you're more talented and you'll get through it.

Speaker 1 But at the highest level, when it really means something to these other teams, you cannot, you cannot get away with it. It's not sustainable.

Speaker 1 And I just,

Speaker 1 I wonder if in the Gold Cup, Tim, we're going to see some interesting omissions where he just says, ain't good enough. You, Tim, you have to earn the right to get your next cap.

Speaker 1 You have to earn your right. Let me tell you a story.
I went to, I was early in my career. We were playing a Gold Cup, and Bruce, Bruce was our coach.

Speaker 1 And I was going to, I asked him if I could go come in late because I was going on a vacation trip to Tahiti. Okay.
So I wasn't as fit. I wasn't whatever.
But I came into camp. He plays me.

Speaker 1 I think we were playing Haiti. It was in, it was in Miami.
I think it was at the Orange Bowl. We play in this game and I was shocking.

Speaker 1 But at that point, I was doing well. And I just assumed it would be fine.
You know what he did? He subbed me. I think it was the only time he ever subbed me on the national team.

Speaker 1 Subbed me after like 58 minutes. And he said, if you ever perform like that again, you ain't getting called in again.
Don't ever do that again.

Speaker 1 And I was like, okay, I'm going to think about this next time. I ain't going on vacation next year.
I ain't, you know, and some of these guys need that. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, look,

Speaker 1 you, you hit the nail on the head with the Walker Zimmerman thing. You, you and I are two old guys who are the number one soccer podcast in America.
That's fine. But guess what?

Speaker 1 Walker Zimmerman was in the trenches. When we start talking about like, hey, this is what I think, but I don't know what's happened on the inside.

Speaker 1 Walker Zimmerman just told us, not just a couple of months ago, told us what's happened on the inside.

Speaker 1 Now, he's not a part of really the setup anymore, but this is, these are the same guys who he was in the dressing room with. And so that was, that was a direct hit.

Speaker 1 He didn't have to say that, by the way. There was a whole bunch of other avenues he could have went with with Sam Borden about the about the young players.

Speaker 1 But he took the opportunity to take a stand and leave a little bit of a marker on with these guys. And so, look,

Speaker 1 that obviously is cause for concern.

Speaker 1 I I think it needs to happen soon. What I would say about the Gold Cup is I would even, I take your point.
I would even go the other way. And here's why.

Speaker 1 I look at the lineups and we'll get to the lineups of the Panama game and the Canada game. We're not good enough, Landon.
We've never been good enough.

Speaker 1 And I don't see a time in the future where we will be good enough

Speaker 1 to not

Speaker 1 constantly play your best players. And you know what? When you need to give a, I hate using this, like a throwaway cap or I need to see a guy to see if he can perform at this level.

Speaker 1 You do that after you've had a successful run of like six, seven games. Okay, now this feels like a lesser opponent.
We'll plop a few guys in. We'll chop and change, but they don't get that right.

Speaker 1 The best, you should have your best 11 available. Okay, Anthony Robinson, as an example, wasn't there.
Charginho Dest, not there. No problem.
But your best current 11

Speaker 1 should be playing back to back to back to back games. Like the best 11.
there shouldn't have been as many changes.

Speaker 1 I'm questioning the manager. He might have other reasons.
He might have needed to see players.

Speaker 1 I'm simply saying we're not good enough to do that we've got to figure like our our our gold cup should be our best 11 13 players everybody else go sit over there i'll let you know when when it's time for okay there's we're up 4-0 here's five minutes like we don't we don't have any time bro we don't like we don't have any time and i was worried about this going into the last world cup i remember saying Our best players have not played together, whether that be through injury or the club, club versus country, they haven't played.

Speaker 1 So you get into a World Cup and your best players haven't played together. This is an issue.
This is an issue because I said, once the government comes

Speaker 1 once the gold cup comes, there's no more measuring stick.

Speaker 1 There's no more opportunity to get the guys together and go, huh, I wonder how a group of our best players are going to perform in a tournament.

Speaker 1 Because normally you'd have gold cup, then you'd have World Cup qualifying. We don't have it.
I'm like, it's a broken record.

Speaker 1 If that doesn't happen, and I know you said about omissions, and I get sending a message, I almost think it's too late to send a message. We don't have the time.
Right.

Speaker 1 Well, then, I mean, maybe that's those just aren't. Some of those guys aren't the guy then.
If, I mean, you have to, as a coach, you have to trust your players.

Speaker 1 You have to trust that they are going to at least give you a seven out of 10. And you know that every time they step on the field.
Right. Maybe they're crap on the ball.

Speaker 1 Maybe they can't complete a pass. Maybe that, whatever, but you know, you're getting this effort.
Maybe. You have to be able to do that.
Maybe.

Speaker 1 But I've said to you in the past, and I've been very open with this publicly. In America, our best 13 players are our best 13 players.
That's it.

Speaker 1 If they're not performing, if they don't care, if the crest doesn't mean anything, fine. Put somebody else in, but they're not up to standard.

Speaker 1 Now, when you go to Holland or you go to Spain or you go to Brazil and you go, oh, this guy's chucked it in. No problem.
Cause I got a striker. He won't play again.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 I got a striker at Liverpool's banging goals and knocking down the door. And fine.
We don't have that. So, like, our, and I've said this all along: our best 13 players,

Speaker 1 that's it. There's a massive decline after you after you get past that there is so like i

Speaker 1 yeah i guess you can send a message and you can play guys who care more but you're gonna lose something somewhere and i just yeah it worries me it worries me i had a really good conversation this morning with someone i respect and i think is the most foot brilliant football mind in our country and he said

Speaker 1 two things he said that really resonated with me. He said, like you say, Pep Guardiola has ruined football.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So every player now, not every player, sorry, there are many players around the world who play

Speaker 1 in a system that's similar to what Pep does at Citi. The problem is they don't have the best players in the world.
Correct. Okay.

Speaker 1 So they're trying to play in a certain way and they're getting accustomed to playing in a certain way, but they're not good enough to do it. Okay.

Speaker 1 So if you take, let's take the top five club teams and the top five national teams in the world, they can do it should they choose to. Then you have the other end of the spectrum, the Panamas, right?

Speaker 1 They're like, we ain't good enough to do that. So we're not going to try.
We're going to be Panama. We're going to be in a 5-4-1.

Speaker 1 And I'll tell you what, if you try to come into the box and score, you're going to get your leg broken. Okay.
You score a goal, great, your leg's going to be snapped. And we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 And we're going to do that really well. Then you get everybody else in the middle who thinks they're over here.
and they're the best, but they ain't good enough to do it.

Speaker 1 And we fall into that category, right? And so now,

Speaker 1 and this is not a slide on Greg Berhalter or Poachina or whatever. It's just the way soccer is going.
But we're not good enough to be that, Tim. You know, when we were at our very best? Yeah.

Speaker 1 When we got to a quarterfinal in 02 and we sat and defended and we had a few guys who could go make plays and we were great at it.

Speaker 1 And that's it. And so the identity piece in that way is very real.
And that's true. And we need to determine.
And I think

Speaker 1 yesterday it should have been determined or three weeks ago, but

Speaker 1 this is who we are. And this is who we're going to be.
Because when you get against the good teams, the best, they just do it better than we do.

Speaker 1 The other thing he said, and this is so true, and we've talked about this before,

Speaker 1 there are, and I'd refer to them as captains, but there are not enough guys on this current team who are captains for their clubs.

Speaker 1 And the way he said it, and this is so good, is there are not enough guys who are responsible for the result of their team. Well said.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So, and I'm again, we can be the old guys, whatever, and back in our day and all this crap.

Speaker 1 But when we were on the field, there were guys on the field, all over the field, who, if they didn't perform well, their club team probably lost. Yeah.
Okay.

Speaker 1 If you had a bad game at Everton, you probably lost. Okay.
If Clint Dempsey didn't play well for New England or Fulham or whatever, not great.

Speaker 1 If I didn't play well for the Galaxy, we're going to lose. Michael Bradley didn't play well wherever he was.
Bees, everywhere he was, like guys who were responsible for getting a result.

Speaker 1 And, you know, in a weird way,

Speaker 1 Diego Luna, even though he's young, like if he doesn't play well, RSL is not as good. At Charlotte, like Ajamong needs to play and play well, and they're a better team, right?

Speaker 1 But there's not a lot of guys who fall into that. So when, so when it's hard and it's dirty and it's nasty and whatever, most of our guys are kind of going, okay,

Speaker 1 where's the captain? And where's the Dutch international? And where's the French international always carries us? We don't have a lot of that. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 1 I know you're going to take us to break in a second, but look, let me just finish on this. You pointed out the person you spoke to today, the U.S.
identity.

Speaker 1 There are so many coaches in this country who are a bunch of jokers who could, who continue to tell me, yo, we play between lines, we connect.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you can have a profile of how you want to play tactically. You will never,

Speaker 1 never convince me that a U.S. team, first and foremost, has to be dominant and nasty and hungry.
The football, great. That can do, that can be amazing.

Speaker 1 If we have the football and we don't have the nastiness as a country when we step on the field,

Speaker 1 we'll never make it. That's our profile.
People want to get away from that. Now, do you want to get away from that bunker in mentality?

Speaker 1 Yes, you do, but you can never get away from the physicality side of the game as a U.S. player.

Speaker 1 Because as you mentioned, we fall into that middle ground where we think we're the best, but we're not quite. All right.
I should have done this at the beginning, but I just, I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm emotional today. Sorry.
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Speaker 1 Okay, so we had to pause, and I had to tell Landon: open the back door, go for a walk, calm down. I'm so angry.
I'm like, it's just visceral. I know.
I'm trying to figure out why I need like therapy.

Speaker 1 And I think our, well, I do too, but it's not about soccer.

Speaker 1 Hey, look, I think our fans, our listeners

Speaker 1 appreciate the passion. I know they do.
We're going to dive into a little bit more of

Speaker 1 the changes, the personnel, what we saw, what we thought, what we think should happen

Speaker 1 in the future games, which are obviously vitally important being the gold cup. So let's kind of take a little bit of a deep dive into that.

Speaker 1 Yeah, so the first game, so we went, if you remember, Tim, the episode,

Speaker 1 the preview episode.

Speaker 1 The lineup we thought was going to be the lineup was the lineup minus, I think we had Anthony Robinson in. So Scally played left back in the first game and Musa played right back against Panama.

Speaker 1 I said I was like fully intending to go re-watch the games, break it down analytically, think, you know, try to figure out what they're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 1 But there were plays early in the game where

Speaker 1 it was like a ball high in the air. And I would see a Panamanian midfielder go sprinting towards the ball, jumping and like literally just putting himself on the line to win a header.

Speaker 1 And our guys kind of backing out and kind of, you know, turtleneck and what. And I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 1 because once you break the spirit and soul of a team like that, then your talent comes through. Yeah, of course.
Right. That's right.
It's a good point. And, and, and, but you have to earn that.

Speaker 1 You've said it. Like, you have to earn that right to play.
You have to earn the right to play. And with Panama, we never did.
And they were never threatened.

Speaker 1 The expected goals for us was like, it was less than one. It was, it was abysmal.
And it was just, there was never urgency to go make the play. It was like, oh, we'll make the play.

Speaker 1 The play will come. And even with the coaching staff, it was like, oh, and in extra time, we'll put on Diego Luna and Gio Reyna.
And it's like, no, but it doesn't happen that way, right?

Speaker 1 Like, the game can be over in a moment. And as you said earlier, there's no divine right to win a game.
You have to go earn it. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 look,

Speaker 1 when we break down these lineups, we'll talk goalkeeper in a second, right? But I break down these lineups and I'm not really so concerned about Scally and Musa.

Speaker 1 You know, Musa is a is a kind of a utility player, right? Which I think hurts him a little bit because he could play as a fullback and in a pinch.

Speaker 1 Robinson and Desk went healthy, locked down on either side. So okay with that, right?

Speaker 1 You know, I think Chris Richards is

Speaker 1 our best center back. And then you're, then it's a plus one.
Then who plays alongside him in the best games, right?

Speaker 1 For me, we're missing our strikers. You know, we're missing both of our strikers, which, by the way, at the best of times is still a weak spot for us.

Speaker 1 So we have to have Ricardo Pepe or Flo Balogan healthy and fit. We don't have that.

Speaker 1 And ultimately,

Speaker 1 I think tactically, again, with that jack of all trades, I think Tyler Adams and Weston McKinney have so many good facets to their game. that sometimes it's too much.

Speaker 1 Here's what I'm saying. There's oftentimes with our group as an example, we were told internally as our group, and you'll probably remember this, we can't all go out there

Speaker 1 and give all of ourselves because it's going to be too much. It's going to be too robust for the group, right?

Speaker 1 They needed a little bit less from me, a little bit less from Jermaine, Jones, a little bit less from Eula. Now, we're still going to give 100%,

Speaker 1 but it's all not going to fit in the box if we're all on a 10, right?

Speaker 1 And so Weston can drive forward. We know Tyler can tackle and spring forward and they like to get in the box I genuinely think you get your best goalkeeper in and your best back four

Speaker 1 and you tell Tyler and Weston you're gonna sit in a double six and you're gonna protect you're gonna protect right because then what that allows is it allow and that's when you you can use their physicality and their ball winning and their but their ability to pass between lines because then that allows you to get your your four best attacking players on the field right like in the moment weston is considered one of the best attacking players, but this goes back to my original point.

Speaker 1 We need him to be his best ball-winning energetic self. Do I think he can make a late run in the box if everything is settled behind him? Sure.

Speaker 1 But I would like to see Weston and Tyler sit as a double six, which would then allow us to get our best four attacking players on the field. That gives Gio Reina a spot on one side.

Speaker 1 That gives Wea a spot on the other. Christian Pulisic, it gives him basically a license of Rome because he's got two dogs behind him, right? So he can vacate the middle of the park.

Speaker 1 He can make a run onto the wing. He can go forward with as a double striker.
He can go help the midfields, but he's got two dogs behind him, right?

Speaker 1 And then ahead of him, you put your best striker, whether that's Riccardo Peppi or, as we said, Phil Balagan. That makes me think, okay, that excites me.
That makes me think we have it.

Speaker 1 But again, I need to see that lineup for 10 games in a row. Consistently.
Six games in a row. I mean, look, the goalkeeper is a big, a big talking point.
It was a big talking point going into

Speaker 1 this set of games.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we were both shocked, right, to see Matt Turner start. Yeah,

Speaker 1 I was shocked because I think the world of both Matt and Zach, and

Speaker 1 I think they are very similar in terms of talent, but

Speaker 1 they're different from a talent standpoint, but they could both do a job for you. And the biggest issue, which no one can argue, is that Matt hasn't been playing for his club.
Now,

Speaker 1 that's not,

Speaker 1 people will, and they did this with me at moments when I wasn't playing. They're going to try and pick the bones out of him and go, well, if he was playing, he would have saved this.

Speaker 1 I don't know. That's somewhat circumstantial.

Speaker 1 My thought is,

Speaker 1 you touched on this earlier. If Zach Stefan

Speaker 1 is in really good form,

Speaker 1 which he is, and he had a brilliant game leading into this camp for Colorado, man of the match. I think it was against San Jose or something.
I can't remember. And

Speaker 1 Matt's not playing. Well, we know Matt is a really good goalkeeper.

Speaker 1 You don't, as Pachatino, you don't need to

Speaker 1 see if Matt can perform at this level. What you need to do, put Matt on the bench when he earns his spot, right?

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 he's playing every week, then you play him for the national team because there's no question on what that Matt Turning player for the national team. He's played in the World Cup.

Speaker 1 So you don't actually have to see if he can perform at that level. In fact, you reward the guy in Zach Steven who's been playing and playing well until the competition heats up.
Now, look,

Speaker 1 I've been told that the goalkeeper, Zach Stefan got sick.

Speaker 1 He fell ill before the Canada game, right? And so there's this idea, there's this notion that he wasn't playing against Canada because he fell ill, which is probably right.

Speaker 1 But the fact of the matter is, from what I'm hearing,

Speaker 1 the goalkeepers that went into camp, there was no discussion of what was going to happen on who was going to play which game. And And I, and nobody, nobody had spoken to them.

Speaker 1 Nobody, whether that be goalkeeper coach or head coach, no, nobody had spoken to them. That's what I'm hearing.

Speaker 1 Because, and the reason that's weird is whether I was a senior established goalkeeper or I was one of the young kids, every time I'd go into camp, either a phone call the week before I came into camp, or when I landed and we're in a training session, goalkeeper coach or the manager would say, hey, Tim, I'm thinking about playing in the second game.

Speaker 1 Or that was when I was younger.

Speaker 1 Or, hey, we're thinking about, we're thinking about playing someone else in the second game, to which, by the way, when I knew there was a two-game window and the manager was thinking about playing another goalkeeper, you know what I said to him?

Speaker 1 I went, no, Geff, I'm fit. I'm fit and ready.
I want to play both games. I lobbied my case.
And you know how many times I ended up playing two games? Tucker. Because

Speaker 1 he wanted to give somebody else an opportunity to play it. To hell with them.
Yeah. So it's an interesting one.
The goalkeeper. Yeah.
So look. So the illness doesn't explain the first game.
Correct.

Speaker 1 Right. Why Matt? Whatever.
Every coach has their. Yep.
Yep. Yep.

Speaker 1 It's their prerogative to choose whoever. Totally.
I'm not even going to ask you because I know how you goalkeepers all protect yourself. There is zero doubt in my mind of a few things.

Speaker 1 One, Zach Steffen makes the save for Panama's goal right now. Zero.
Matt Turner, when he's playing in sharp, zero doubt he makes that save. This is what I'll say about that.

Speaker 1 If I turned just inside the 18 at that angle and hit that shot and it went in the goal, I would feel like I just robbed a bank. Okay.
I feel like

Speaker 1 great. And I'd celebrate like crazy, but I'd be like, Jesus, I got away with that one.
Yeah, yeah. Period.
End of story.

Speaker 1 That ball should never, ever, ever go in the net at a senior international for a top 20 team in the world. Zero ever.
I love Matt Turner. This is not personal.

Speaker 1 I mean, I was going to say it's not his fault. It is his fault.
He's not playing, but he's got to be playing somewhere and he makes that save, no problem.

Speaker 1 And I bet you if he looks in the mirror at night, he'll tell you the same. Sure.
Second thing is

Speaker 1 you're trying to wind me up. I know.

Speaker 1 I don't.

Speaker 1 ever wind you up.

Speaker 1 I don't care if you're sick. What do you mean you're sick? You're sick and you can't play a game as a goalkeeper.
Now, maybe it wasn't his choice. Maybe they kept him away.

Speaker 1 Maybe they didn't let him play. Whatever it is.
Dude, you're standing in the goal for 90 minutes. You're doing some things.
No,

Speaker 1 I'm being serious here.

Speaker 1 It's not like you're running eight miles. And by the way, and this is not me only.
Everybody I know played sick all the time. Robbie Keene played through things you can't even imagine.

Speaker 1 I I watched Clint Dempsey

Speaker 1 the day before a game get his toenail pulled off with no, no painkiller. No, he just sat there like

Speaker 1 a man. I'm trying not to

Speaker 1 not throw it. I know.
And I saw him take his toenail off. And you know what he did the next day? He played and scored a goal.
So don't tell me because you're sick, you can't play.

Speaker 1 I'm like, this is ridiculous. So I don't know the circumstance.

Speaker 1 I'm giving it context. I'm just saying, just play, like, it's a national team, dude.
Play the game. Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 I take your point. You put them in the game.

Speaker 1 If you really want to play, put them in. It's fine.
You and I were talking about this

Speaker 1 either last night or earlier this morning. And

Speaker 1 you brought up the point because I'll give you the example.

Speaker 1 You talked about the Clint example, and we all have them, but I'll give you personals.

Speaker 1 But Maybe things have changed because of COVID. You mentioned that to me, right? Mick, maybe protocols within the team have changed.

Speaker 1 And the only reason that I take that on board is because there were multiple times, particularly in

Speaker 1 my national team career, because when I was home and I was living in Manchester and playing Premier League, it was like, I was home, right? And so the manager. I wasn't impacting anyone, right?

Speaker 1 And so the manager would always be like, you know, David Moyes, our beloved manager, would be sick.

Speaker 1 On like a Thursday, he'd send the doctor around and he'd say, doctor'd say, yo, gave Tim meds and, you know, he'll be able to play Saturday, but I can't train Friday.

Speaker 1 And the guy would say, okay, stay home, but then come to the match. In the national team, you fly in, you get, you get sick, you get the flu, whatever, stomach bug.

Speaker 1 I remember having conversations with the physio in our hotels, Landon, and I'd say, doc, I ain't well. I need you to call me an antibiotic.
I need you to give me something, right? And by the way,

Speaker 1 I need to be in my room for the next 30 hours, but I'm going to play. I just need to be by myself in my room for the next 30 hours.

Speaker 1 Then I'd speak to the manager with the physio and I'd say, Gaffer, I'm good to go. I'm good to go, but

Speaker 1 I can't leave my room because I need rest. I need fluids.
I need someone to stop it coming in or out or whatever the heck is going on with my body. But don't you worry.

Speaker 1 By game time, we'll have that part figured out. And yeah, you go in and

Speaker 1 you play at not your 100% best self, but you drive yourself over the line. And again, it's not a reflection on Zach Stefan.
I have a feeling that that's probably the new way of

Speaker 1 what COVID left into, not COVID, but in terms of the protocols and the way we treat the players. And yeah, like you said, you naturally will play throughout.
Tim, wouldn't you?

Speaker 1 You would have begged to play. Totally.
I would have. Begged.
And by the way, you know who begged last time to play? Was Diego Luna when he got his nose broken.

Speaker 1 And he said, please, just please leave me in the game. Yeah.
Please leave me in. Yeah, but

Speaker 1 that's why I don't think it's a reflection on Zach. Stephanie, I think

Speaker 1 it's a lot of playing

Speaker 1 to play, of course. Protocols and

Speaker 1 whatever else is going on. Or maybe it was an easy excuse.

Speaker 1 Maybe they didn't want to play them. I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 I don't know what the. I hope not.
Look.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 there's so many places to go.

Speaker 1 I want to talk about what? Where do you want to take it?

Speaker 1 Everywhere.

Speaker 1 So we've talked about this problem, right? That we have identified. And

Speaker 1 I'm to the point now where I am secure that this is a problem. And it's the passion and the pride to play for your national team.
It doesn't, I'm careful with my words.

Speaker 1 I'm not saying guys don't care, right? I'm using quotes. They care.
It's a soccer game. It's their profession, whatever.

Speaker 1 But there is something more when you're just playing, going through the motions.

Speaker 1 And I did it plenty of times in my life with my club team where it was a Wednesday and there's an empty stadium and you're like, okay, but you're out there. It's 90 minutes.

Speaker 1 You compete, the adrenaline, but you're not like,

Speaker 1 I'm willing to die for this. Okay.
Every time, 150 plus times, I put on the national team jersey, I was willing to die for it. I was like, this is it.
I am, I appreciate this opportunity.

Speaker 1 I ain't letting it go. Yeah.
Never. Okay.
So there is a problem there. Now I'm trying to think, and I did a lot of thinking the last 24 hours of what, how do you remedy the problem?

Speaker 1 And what's the root of the problem? Okay. And in my opinion,

Speaker 1 I don't have any data on this. Okay.
But

Speaker 1 there is,

Speaker 1 we've talked through some of it. Not a lot of leaders on their club teams, not guys who are responsible for the results.

Speaker 1 There's no question generationally, these guys just aren't as gritty and resilient and used to difficult times.

Speaker 1 Part of that, and we'll get, you know, I don't want to open too much of a Pandora's box, but is

Speaker 1 the way these kids are treated from the time they're eight years old and told how great they are and youth soccer. Nobody tells them anything they need to hear.
Yep.

Speaker 1 And that extends then as

Speaker 1 professionals to their friends, their family, their agents, right? The people around them who need to pull them aside after this week and say, hey, that ain't good enough.

Speaker 1 And you know, Rich Motzkin, my agent. There were so many times, Tim, where he would, I would call him on the way home and he was at a game and he'd say, how do you think you played?

Speaker 1 And I'd go,

Speaker 1 you know, pretty well. And he would go, no, you didn't.
You're terrible. And I'd go, really? He goes, yeah, you're terrible.

Speaker 1 And I, because the player always thinks it's everyone else's fault and, you know, they were fine and whatever. So that is part of it too.
And I'm just calling these people out.

Speaker 1 And, you know, agents are a big part of it too. Like,

Speaker 1 stop kissing your client's ass. Tell them what they need to hear sometimes.
Tell them that it ain't good enough. Tell them they don't run the world.

Speaker 1 tell them to stop doing stupid stuff off the field, right? Like they need to hear that.

Speaker 1 And it's all just, it's all just a part of this whole system that has created players that are not resilient, not tough, not willing to

Speaker 1 buckle down when it's really hard. And it's all part of it.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's not black and white. There's nuance everywhere and there's lots of pieces to it.

Speaker 1 But I've just been trying to dissect what is going on that that kind of effort is what comes out of these two games.

Speaker 1 You know, let me let me piggyback on two things you've just said. So, I agree with that.
I also agree with Pachatino being a very good manager, being from Argentina, and having nastiness in him.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah. I've seen it in his coaching career as a player, he was.
So, I'm sitting here watching these two games, and but this wasn't these, just these two games. We've seen other

Speaker 1 January camp was good, but we know we know what the January camp is.

Speaker 1 And then, so you're looking at it, and I'm starting to wonder, like, is there going to be a moment where we see like who Pachatino is? Like that ruthlessness, that nastiness?

Speaker 1 You know, is he still in the valuation period or evaluation period, excuse me?

Speaker 1 Like, because so much of what you're saying doesn't feel like Mauricio Pachatino to me. I know what, I've witnessed what he is.
I've covered him as a manager.

Speaker 1 And it's just kind of like, okay,

Speaker 1 when is that going to come out? Because this feels a little bit too

Speaker 1 laid back for what you're saying, right? You're saying like,

Speaker 1 there's something missing here. I don't think that he's not seeing that.
Like, that's what my soccer brain says. I know he's seeing it.
This guy is clever. He's a very good manager.

Speaker 1 He's been around, by the way, bigger players, nastier players, players who down tools. He's been around all of it, right?

Speaker 1 And so I'm just thinking, is there going to be a time, and you mentioned it, you know, in terms of omissions,

Speaker 1 how's he going to name the squad? What's he going to do in the Gold Cup? Like, those are big, big questions. So, Tim, he's,

Speaker 1 you're right. You're dead on.
He's, it almost seems like he's just analyzing.

Speaker 1 You know, like when there's a big scuffle on the field and the referee like walks away and removes him or herself and just watches? Yeah. It looks like he's just going, okay.

Speaker 1 Okay. And I'll tell you what.
Sorry, I'm cutting in, but no, good. He made a triple substitution.
Oh, yeah. Against Canada.
He made a triple substitution. You know who he brought off?

Speaker 1 Pulisic,

Speaker 1 mckinney tyler adams and when it first happened i was like oh he's probably had a conversation with their club teams and they have to get ready and then i was like wait a minute it's a sunday they don't play again until at least next weekend and if you don't have an fa cup game you have even more time and i'm like oh okay because if you're gonna win a game you're not taking those three off If you need a goal to win a game, you're not taking them off.

Speaker 1 So I, yeah, continue. But I think there's,

Speaker 1 he's not stupid. The thing that struck me, and then this is a big talking point for this segment, that triple substitution of Palistic Way and Adams.
I almost... No, McKenney and Adams.
Sorry, sorry.

Speaker 1 Palistic McKenny and Adams. I remember watching it thinking,

Speaker 1 I hear what the, because the commentators could see. what we couldn't see, right? They could see who's warming up,

Speaker 1 who's stripped and ready to come on. And I was like, I was like, ain't no way.
Like, they must have one or two of these wrong because those are out and out.

Speaker 1 We don't care what, if you've watched a team one time, those are the best three players we have in America. Right.

Speaker 1 And so I'm thinking, there's no way it's, and then I'm looking at the score. I think they were, I think they were down a goal, or it was either down.
We were down. They were down.

Speaker 1 And I'm thinking, you're chasing the game. And

Speaker 1 our producer can correct me if I'm wrong. I think what minute of the game was it? Like 60s? 65 or 70.
Right. So I'm like, there's a lot of game left here,

Speaker 1 by the way.

Speaker 1 I can't, like i think of it i always put myself in those shoes and i'm like if i was on the pitch and i saw your number come up clint dempsey's number come up and michael bradley's number come up in a game that we're chasing i'd be like i'd be like nah something's gone on here like there's no way and then by the way to to the point of of this entire podcast i wouldn't have even been able to focus on the game because i'd have been looking at who

Speaker 1 who does Clint Dempsey have a grip of? Who is Michael Bradley kicking on the sideline? Because that wouldn't have went gone over very well. You know what I mean? Like,

Speaker 1 I just thought that's an impossibility. And to your point, these guys don't play again anytime soon.
The sub was in the 69th minute. And

Speaker 1 never mind when they play, by the way, this is the whole concept of playing for the crest. Who cares about your clip? Like, Pachatino should be trying to win the game, which I know he was, right?

Speaker 1 And that's why he made the substitution. But I'm looking at it thinking, this is the strangest substitution.
in a competitive game that I've seen in a long time. And what was the basis of it?

Speaker 1 Bruce used to say, Bruce Rini used to say to us, a coach shouldn't have to coach effort. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, correct.
And I was like, it's like, it's such a Bruce comment, but it's so true.

Speaker 1 Like, you shouldn't have to coach that. That should be easy.
Can we talk real quick?

Speaker 1 Gio got called into camp

Speaker 1 so that Mauricio and the staff could see him. I feel like I always pick on this kid, but he barely played.
Yeah, I know. I know.
He barely played over two.

Speaker 1 And Mauricio Pochitino said, he's not fit enough to play in the way we want to play, which you had to know because he's not been playing games, right?

Speaker 1 There has to be more going on, man, because

Speaker 1 at least you would have given him 45, 60, 90 minutes just to see what he's about. And there's so many coaches, Tim, now that have not played him everywhere he's been.
Yeah, look,

Speaker 1 let me say, I just want more for this kid. I do.
And I will do it. Because I'm just disappointed everybody.
Because he's so special.

Speaker 1 I mean, look, the one thing, again, I'll always, if you ever, if you ever have questions or comments, send them in.

Speaker 1 If you, if you ever, if you ever read something and you're like, I can't figure this out, I'm, I'm the figure-it-out guru. Let me tell you, because I can read, I can read between lines.

Speaker 1 Just so you, just so you know, in, and Landon said, we, goalkeepers, we don't do much. That's true.
We don't, but we can keep ourselves fit. Any other soccer player, any other player,

Speaker 1 if you're fit, you are fit. What it takes to play in a position like you did, Landon, or anywhere else on the field, essentially, essentially, you have to be able to run between 10 and 11K,

Speaker 1 and a certain percentage of that needs to be high-intensity sprints. That's not positional.
That's every player.

Speaker 1 So when a manager says he's not fit to play in this, you can pick 20 different tactical styles.

Speaker 1 The fitness level is the exact same. So you either are fit.

Speaker 1 to run and to play and to jump and to kick or you're not fit. That's the that's so so again I don't even know what that means what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying in general Mauricio Pochatino when he says that just for our audience a player is either fit or they're not fit. There is it's a myth.

Speaker 1 It's a myth for someone to say he's not fit to play

Speaker 1 style. Yeah.
So there's that. But what I would say is I don't quite know Matt Turner's not playing, right?

Speaker 1 And he got to start.

Speaker 1 I don't know of, I don't know of a professional player, right? Because you said he didn't play much. Our producers will tell us exactly how many minutes he played over the course of two games.

Speaker 1 But what I would say to you, what I would argue to you is, is he fit enough to play two times 90 minutes? If you want to argue, no, no, I'll accept that.

Speaker 1 I'm saying if you, if you're a professional football player and you have a contract as a professional,

Speaker 1 you are fit enough to, and you're not injured, you're fit enough to at least play 50, 60 minutes over the course of two games. Minimum, minimum of one half.
Minimum, bare minimum.

Speaker 1 So so I think, you know, the selection disappoints me.

Speaker 1 Not Geo doesn't disappoint me, but I'm disappointed in the fact that he, if we're giving players opportunity to play and the prerequisite isn't you have to be playing for your club to play for this national team, then I'm disappointed that we didn't see him.

Speaker 1 Me too. Yeah.
So me too. Because otherwise, bring someone who you can put in and who's can be effective.
Because otherwise, I mean, look, let's just hope there's a bigger. But

Speaker 1 Geo, very much like his father, and he'll probably hate the comparisons. He always gets compared to his father.
Very much like his father, has a nasty streak in him. And we saw that.

Speaker 1 And that's kind of what we've been talking about, you and I, this episode.

Speaker 1 When he came on, right, and I spoke about it earlier, he just, he's laid into one of those players on the sideline, got past him, took his knee off, and then started this confrontation, this kerfuffle of sorts.

Speaker 1 That's what we wanted to see.

Speaker 1 The problem is it was in the 90s. I know, I know.
We didn't want to waste three minutes of time. It's a massive problem.

Speaker 1 It's a massive what's the problem but but he but but he you know this is but yeah fair enough he's super talented he played 21 minutes uh over the last two games um

Speaker 1 you know well just in the candidate just in the candidate game so like

Speaker 1 he's got talent he's got a nasty streak to him what why is

Speaker 1 i'm not sure why he's not playing all right let's take a break we have lots and lots and lots of comments questions uh feedback and we will get to it in the at fan connection on the other side maybe Maybe won't even do anything but soccer just so we can get more questions.

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Speaker 1 All right, Tim, between your work, your daughter, your son, or maybe just your own enjoyment, how much traveling do you think you've done to see soccer this year?

Speaker 1 Honestly, I've lost track at this point.

Speaker 1 You know, just this summer alone, I was all over the place.

Speaker 1 But it is, it's a beautiful thing to see how many soccer fans and how soccer has been embraced no matter where we go. Yeah, I mean, I was just in Austin.
I'll be traveling to New York.

Speaker 1 Everywhere I go, I meet fans. Whether I'm going to see a game myself or just on vacation, I see people everywhere.
I hear stories.

Speaker 1 I hear stories about their pilgrimage to Everton to go watch a game, to go see the new stadium, to go see their favorite team.

Speaker 1 They get immersed in the chants, the songs, that incredible feeling of seeing the game up close and personal. Well, I mean, I think that's where the game has changed.

Speaker 1 These trips have become a big deal for soccer fans. And this summer is going to be no different as we'll see the soccer community make their way to 11 host cities here in the U.S.

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Speaker 1 Have at it. And, you know, Jordan, welcome.
Your favorite time of the week, too.

Speaker 1 What kind of heat you got? A little AS Roma?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. I had to, I couldn't stop myself.
It's a third kit from like 99, 2000.

Speaker 1 I just like the wolves, yes.

Speaker 1 Crazy.

Speaker 2 Plus, it's one of the few ones I have with a name and number on the back.

Speaker 1 Who's on the night? Who's on it? Toti.

Speaker 1 It better be. Number DH.

Speaker 1 Frances. It better be.

Speaker 1 There's no other. What a legend.
All right. Wait, really, really quick.
When Michael Bradley was playing for Roma, I called him and I said, Mike, can you get me a Toti jersey? No, you didn't.

Speaker 1 Broke, broke. The next, the next camp, he comes in with a signed Tati jersey for no way.
Yeah. What a way.
Legend. That's amazing.
Yeah. Wow.
Anyway, you go. Busy, busy.

Speaker 2 All right. As you mentioned, we've got quite a number of comments and questions for you guys.
So

Speaker 2 let's dive into some of the things you've already talked about to see if we can expand on some of them a little bit. I know you guys talked about a tweet that Landon put out.

Speaker 2 Somebody commented and said, Landon, how are you not allowed to go into a US M ⁇ T locker room and to tell them to their face? It would be great to see the past USMNT go and check on these guys.

Speaker 1 Well, to be honest, one of my, I don't know if concerns is the right word, but I have been thinking about with Pochatino and his staff.

Speaker 1 There are no Americans and this is not a xenophobic thing. There's just, you need to have context

Speaker 1 around the American player, the American system, MLS. I think that's very, very, very valuable.

Speaker 1 There are,

Speaker 1 this is not a self-promoting, but there are many of us who would love that opportunity to, honestly, to speak to them.

Speaker 1 Having Clint Dempsey walk in and be a part of your staff and talk to you after.

Speaker 1 performance like that is i think infinitely probably as valuable or maybe more valuable than hearing from your head coach.

Speaker 1 We've talked a lot about how players hold players accountable more than coaches do.

Speaker 1 I think that would be really powerful. So

Speaker 1 I would certainly not hold back if I was in that, in that

Speaker 1 environment. But to that point,

Speaker 1 I think you can get ahead of that, right? So you say it before the Panama game.

Speaker 1 These guys have played in some of these games, but not a lot of them. And say, this is what this game is going to look like.

Speaker 1 You can throw the soccer out the window for 20, 30 minutes, and this is how you have to perform. This is how you have to compete.
If you don't, we might lose today. If you do, we're going to win.

Speaker 1 And that's, you know,

Speaker 1 that's powerful. But do you not think that there's a flaw in the hiring process if

Speaker 1 as a U.S. soccer federation, you pay this five, six million a year for Pochatino, and okay, yeah, he can bring a staff, but you've got to be able at some point to mandate that, look, we have to

Speaker 1 have an American,

Speaker 1 not for the sake of having an American, but there has to be some sort of connectivity to. Well, I would just say, Tim, too.
It doesn't even have to be, well, it should be American.

Speaker 1 It doesn't have to be American, but somebody who understands what that environment in CONCACAF and all that is like.

Speaker 2 So we actually have a, sorry, before you go on, we actually have another question from Mike, the email who said, my question is about having an American coaching the U.S. men's national team.

Speaker 2 After the Panama game, a lot of fans were questioning whether or not Pachatino is all in on the U.S. job.

Speaker 2 I know also, like, just as an aside, there was a lot of conversation because I think he went on talk sport and was talking about wanting someday to go back and coach in the Premier League.

Speaker 2 And so maybe where that is coming from a little bit, but he just said, like, Mike's asking, do you think it's important for the coach to have American skin in the game?

Speaker 1 I think Pachatino's all in.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 it.

Speaker 1 You don't have it'd be nice. You know, it's nice if you get settled here and have roots, but I do think Pachatino is all in.
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 and and look the going back to having an american on on staff or in can in the camp not just a singular camp but in the camp it has to be someone who is committed and dialed into the team because you have to be able to suffer day to day with the team this concept like by the way

Speaker 1 these these current players as we were

Speaker 1 i don't give they don't give a good goddamn about me walking into a dressroom and telling them what i think in pontificate and in fact most of them hate what i say on this podcast because nobody wants to to, I didn't want to be criticized.

Speaker 1 I didn't like it.

Speaker 1 Well, to your point,

Speaker 1 unless you have skin in the game, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1 We have emotional skin in the game, but someone who is there on staff, I'm not saying walk in once in a while and go speak to someone who is there on staff who understands what all these battles are like, I think is highly valuable.

Speaker 1 Yeah. And yes, Tim, to your point, that should absolutely be a mandate from U.S.

Speaker 1 soccer that, look, you can bring your staff up, but here's this one man or woman who's been through this, and they're going to be part of your stuff too.

Speaker 1 I remember, or here's five of them, you interview them, and you choose one. Yeah, right.

Speaker 1 It's a miss. I remember, I always remember because I

Speaker 1 remember looking up to so many of these giant European players, but you remember when Oliver Beerhoff was part of the German setup where he was like the manager. He was like a go-between.

Speaker 1 He's like, yeah, he was a manager. He was a general manager or something.
Yeah. And I think we tried that, didn't we? With, was it with Brian McBride or with

Speaker 1 it wasn't Ernie Stewart, but we tried it with some, but for whatever reason, that's gone out of the game. But like, to your point,

Speaker 1 on the point of the question, like there has to be somebody in U.S. soccer on the general manager level, the day-to-day that's in, and maybe that's, you know, maybe that's Oguchian Yeewu.

Speaker 1 You know, I know there's, there's some, there's some people there, but

Speaker 1 the reality is

Speaker 1 it has to be in camp. In the dressing room.
It's the skin in the game. It has to be.

Speaker 1 In the dressing room, like has context because we're talking about, but we don't have, we don't know if Zach stefan really was sick or not we we're just we're guessing right so you need to be there and be like hey mauricio uh you know we know zach's sick put him in his room for 30 hours he's going to be fine play him you know what i mean so like yeah um we have a question from someone else called zach via email and he says

Speaker 2 um This speaks, I think, to kind of the overall feeling of this episode. Zach said, the U.S.
men's national team has seemed to lack fight and pride in some of the recent international windows.

Speaker 2 Do you think this issue falls more on the manager or the players?

Speaker 2 Are there any players you would like to see called into camp over the next year who might be able to help remedy this and bring some intensity back to the team?

Speaker 1 Right now, it falls on the players.

Speaker 1 If this continues, then it falls on the manager.

Speaker 1 So the manager and the staff, Pochtino and his staff now have decisions to make, important decisions for the gold cup.

Speaker 1 And it doesn't have to be in the roster selection, but in who's playing in that first game, you're damn right. And it better be guys who are really committed and really willing to go to war.

Speaker 1 And I think he's given them grace and he's given them opportunities. But now he's got to say, okay, I need to know the guys who are willing to do it.
And I got to see it.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It always falls on the players.
And here's why. I'm talking specifically with your country.
You don't get to play for your country very often. You get to play for your country

Speaker 1 10 days out of every year. Okay.

Speaker 1 When

Speaker 1 if you're talking about the mundane of playing in the Premier League and then

Speaker 1 a cup game in the midweek and then another game, and then you're like, oh, it's dark and it's dreary. It rains every day.

Speaker 1 Yeah, maybe the manager, every now and again, you need a swift kick up the backside. Sure.
Yeah, absolutely. I always believe a player should be self-motivated.

Speaker 1 Certainly the leadership core should motivate the group. But when you play for your country,

Speaker 1 it has nothing to do with the manager. You have to envision a scenario of,

Speaker 1 holy heck, we don't know where the manager is, but we're kicking off in two hours. You go to that game without your manager, it doesn't change anything.
Yeah, you're right. It doesn't change how

Speaker 1 wouldn't it change a damn thing. It wouldn't change your mentality.

Speaker 1 It has nothing to do with your manager can't save you when you walk across the lines.

Speaker 1 Only the 11 guys that are on the field can give that effort like that

Speaker 1 it's it's amazing to me that we are talking about effort and that not just us because apparently the fans of the show and the fans of the u.s men's national team are also talking about so so people are seeing it and that's a crime it really is i'm also curious since you're talking about managers and what a manager does for the game

Speaker 2 what do you think it did for the canadian players to see Jesse Marsh get red carded?

Speaker 1 Jesse's got a real buy-in. Jesse's got a real buy-in from that group.

Speaker 1 Jesse's a good manager. He is one of the most stand-up human beings that I've ever met.
And he and that group,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 whatever they're cooking over there, they look at the U.S. and

Speaker 1 we are their number one target. And they play like it.
They perform like it.

Speaker 1 Even Jesse, with, you know, Jesse's very calculated.

Speaker 1 I'm not surprised. I'm sure he didn't want to be sent off, but he knows how to motivate his team.
And fair play, hats off to Jesse Marshall and the Canadian team.

Speaker 1 And not just for this game, the way they've been going over the last year or so.

Speaker 2 We had a comment on Instagram where someone mentioned about the order of the games for the semifinals. They said, what other federation has their team play as the opening act of their biggest rival?

Speaker 1 That's so true.

Speaker 1 Who asked that question?

Speaker 2 We didn't capture what the person's sorry to whoever the person was.

Speaker 1 Incredible question. Incredible question.

Speaker 1 I mean, think about it could be, because, because Landon was quick to correct and say, like, it's not on USR, it's on CONCACAF, and I agree.

Speaker 1 Can we for a second, like, stop it? Like, we're 12 months away almost from a World Cup. We're showcasing our nation.
Totally.

Speaker 1 This is the CONCACAF Nations League in one of the biggest cities in America. Did you watch the game?

Speaker 1 How can FIFA or CONCACAF or USA or whomever, how can they live with this? How can they be okay with this?

Speaker 1 Because by the way, we're showcasing what America can do. This is what we do best.
No one puts on live sporting events like we do, dot, dot, dot, until it comes to the Nations League.

Speaker 1 Like, it's crazy. It's a great question.

Speaker 1 I'm sure they'll post. And I know SoFi, by the way, I've been there for the Super Bowl.
It's huge. I get it.
It's freaking ginormous.

Speaker 1 And I'm sure they'll post numbers that say there was, I don't know, one of our producers can get us a number. I'm sure it'll be, there was 35,000 people there.
No, there wasn't.

Speaker 2 I guess they have the same counter as the New England Revolution.

Speaker 1 Don't start.

Speaker 1 The Revs fans. The Rev fans.
We're trying to give them a week off.

Speaker 1 I think every week we got to bring that in somehow to the show. Yeah, it was, it's a CONCACAF deal.
So it's, but like I said earlier.

Speaker 1 have conversations and say, guys, we got it. Or, or don't play it at SoFi.
Fine. We'll play it somewhere else then.
Yeah, but you, but again, okay, Landon, you said that U.S. soccer, we let all U.S.

Speaker 1 soccer took a little bit, but I'm also saying, hang on,

Speaker 1 it's a CONCACAF thing. If it's in Jamaica, it's like, oh, it's in Jamaica.
That's your fault. This is a, this is U.S.
soccer.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. I said that.
I said, yeah, no, I know. I know.
If you're U.S. soccer, you got to have it.
And by the way, we're not playing at 3.30. We're playing at 7.30.

Speaker 1 That's for sure. By the way,

Speaker 1 I do know, too, you had to buy one ticket for both games.

Speaker 1 So if 100 was the lowest ticket price, that was supposedly for both games, but it was, you know, it it was trying to get people to buy for both games, but clearly they didn't buy for the American game.

Speaker 1 So.

Speaker 2 Okay, one last question, guys.

Speaker 2 This one was a long one, but I feel like I can pretty much get to the point quickly. This is from Eric via email.
Could you guys give your unfiltered thoughts? I will answer for them. Yes, they can.

Speaker 2 On what the gold cup really means at this point?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah, okay, I'll go first. So, so as I'm thinking about this episode, this could change, but I don't think it will.
I'm going to be,

Speaker 1 I think I got really excited about the Nations League. I did.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be far more calculated and

Speaker 1 pessimistic is not the right word, but I think this group,

Speaker 1 this group needs to show

Speaker 1 everyone more.

Speaker 1 And so I think I'm going to be...

Speaker 1 slightly more calculated as we build up to the gold cup and the preview of what that looks like.

Speaker 1 Because,

Speaker 1 yeah,

Speaker 1 I think it's

Speaker 1 a must-win.

Speaker 1 A must-win because I, again,

Speaker 1 it's the same thing I continue to say. This group needs to be together in a tournament format where it really, really matters, playing every three or four days, and they need to win.

Speaker 1 This is their last opportunity to do that before they go into the World Cup, which is all the things I just said. So for me, I think it's incredibly important, incredibly important.

Speaker 1 I think you need to see

Speaker 1 six wins. I think you need to see a couple of them where they dig in.

Speaker 1 You need to see three or four wins that are emphatic, and they need to win.

Speaker 1 I'm going to hope for what I was hoping for against Canada, which was terrible performance against Panama.

Speaker 1 And I even, in our group text, I said, I don't know what's going to happen, but I think it's going to be a great game because Canada lost to Mexico. They hate our guts.

Speaker 1 Our guys just got beat by Panama. So our guys are going to be like livid and cannot wait to get on the field and kick someone.
And then they didn't do it. They didn't do any of that.

Speaker 1 Canada held up their part of the bargain. We didn't.
I hope that we get into camp

Speaker 1 and the coaching staff. has learned a lot from it and the tone is set very quickly.
And more than that, I hope the players now

Speaker 1 leading into the camp when they get into the pre-camp against turkey and whoever else they play i hope they sit together and say guys

Speaker 1 that was

Speaker 1 and like we we owe our country more than that yeah we do if we're gonna wear this jersey it's gotta be more forget about the coaches like Christian, your leader. Tyler, you're a leader.

Speaker 1 Weston, you're a leader. Tim Ream, if you're there.
Matt Turner, this ain't good enough, guys. And let's make it right.
Right. But here's why I like you, because you forgot that George W.

Speaker 1 Bush said there's an old saying in Texas. Fool me once, shame on me.

Speaker 1 Fool me twice. Can't fool me again.
Can't fool me again. Well, we've been fooled.
We've been fooled because here's why, Landon.

Speaker 1 I agree.

Speaker 1 The Panama game should have been a slap in the face. Ain't going to happen.

Speaker 1 It ain't going to happen against Canada. Guess what? It happened.
So now what you're saying is, okay,

Speaker 1 this group needs to take a hard hard look in the mirror and come out fighting. Well, guess what? I remember a couple guys getting sent off,

Speaker 1 not having accountability. Manager gets sacked.
You remember all the post-game interviews?

Speaker 1 When Greg Borholder got sacked, it's on

Speaker 1 its accountability. Yeah, you're right.
We ain't seen that. What have we seen? What have we seen from this group that tells you they're going to hold each other to accord? We haven't.
No, we haven't.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we haven't. So this is why I'm saying.
That's why I said I hope. I know.
I I know. I know you did.
I know what would have happened.

Speaker 1 You're Everton teams.

Speaker 1 I know that.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 But this is not a soccer podcast unless somebody says it's the hope that kills you.

Speaker 1 So be real careful with that.

Speaker 1 These poor people are just turning into the national team for a while. Rock bottom is a trap.

Speaker 1 Rock bottom is a trap. I'm going to be optimistic, Tim.
You weren't today, but I'll hold you.

Speaker 1 Dude, I'm so. Why do I care so much? You know what I do? You golf.
Why don't I just golf? You do both. You care and you golf a lot i loved golfing

Speaker 2 i do i do think though it's like

Speaker 2 i as a fan i take a lot of comfort in that because like one of the things that makes me really crazy and i think we got a comment like this somewhere on our socials is someone saying i support the u.s men's national team whether they win or lose and my response to that is Why are you making it sound like criticizing the team after a lot, two losses is not supporting the team?

Speaker 1 Like, oh, we we're upset because we care right exactly exactly otherwise you'd just be like ha ha ha you lost and go on 100 right

Speaker 1 all right thanks guys thanks jr all right tim that was i wish i could say it was fun it was interesting let's hope next time we're dissecting u.s soccer u.s men's national team games that it's uh much more pleasant yeah

Speaker 1 I do enjoy, however, hanging out with you, Tim, and with all you guys listening. So thank you.
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