08 Blood On The Tracks | Finally, a new inquest

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Just before we start, this episode contains some intense material and strong language.

And a warning for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander listeners.

This series contains the names of people who have died.

It's 4am

and I'm trying to sneak out the door without waking up my kids.

A lot's changed.

For one, I now live in France.

But it's time to head back to Tamworth.

Welcome to Tamworth.

I've got a single light to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the local lands and waterways on which we live work on fly.

Something big is happening.

that could finally give me the answers I've been desperately looking for for over a decade.

It's been six years since I last made an episode of this podcast about Mark Haynes, the Gomorrah teen from Tamworth who was found dead on the railway tracks back in 1988.

If you haven't heard those episodes, go back and have a listen.

We've republished them in the feed so you can binge the whole thing.

Back then, I promised Mark's Uncle Duck and the rest of his family I'd keep fighting for justice.

And I'd keep investigating investigating what happened to Mark.

And I meant it.

But I want to be honest with you and to Mark's family.

I feel like I failed to keep my promise.

In 2020, two years after the release of Blood on the Tracks, I stepped away from journalism.

I had not been looking after myself or my mental health.

I just couldn't keep reporting on all the injustice leveled at my community.

And that's because I'm also part of that community.

And these things are also happening to my family.

I had what I now know was a breakdown

so I moved to France with my husband, started making films and had two beautiful boys.

Days turned into years then one day I realized how far I'd distanced myself from the case and I felt ashamed.

But the listeners of this show and everyone who followed my reporting continued to rage at the injustice of it all.

They spoke up, Mark's family spoke up, and eventually the authorities announced a fresh inquest into the death.

In some ways, we're closer to the truth than ever before.

And look, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't nervous about stepping back into this story.

But here I am, landing in Tamworth, ready to get some answers.

To keep my promise.

Could this be it?

Are we about to finally find out what happened to Mark Haynes?

I'm Alan Clark and this is Blood on the Tracks, an update to the first ever season of Unravel.

Hello.

Alan.

Uncle.

Alan.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

How are you going?

Yeah, well, mate, going as well as I can be.

It's April 2024, and I meet Uncle Duck in Tamworth's Kmart Car Park.

just across from the courthouse where the inquest hearings are happening.

You know, it's been four years.

Has it been that long?

Since I was

But his energy is unchanged.

Still very much that fiery fighter.

Still very much that brawler from the Maury Aboriginal mission, where as a young bloke he would take on men three times his size.

It's strange to sort of be back here and it's the last day of the inquest.

I kind of feel like I've come late to the party.

The coronial inquest has already started the previous week.

There's a lot Duck needs to fill me in on.

Are you happy with the last two weeks or well?

Did it go how you wanted it to go?

Well it's not

how I wanted to go.

As I said to you, it was all them years ago.

It was like a puzzle,

but there was no pieces to start with.

But I've heard something weird happened in court today.

The coroner was handed a piece of paper and suddenly everything stopped.

It's got everyone buzzing.

I was a bit surprised, I dare say, that there was a call,

a halt to the proceedings.

But we won't know exactly what it's about until the coroner explains that.

I want to find out more, but all of a sudden a big dirty Toyota Hilux pulls up.

Out gets a slightly disheveled handsome man impressively juggling a pile of legal binders in one hand and rolling a cigarette in another.

Jalal Raz is with the Aboriginal Legal Service and he's on Uncle Duck's legal team.

I can tell straight away he's not a typical lawyer.

He's very cool in a laid-back kind of way and when he speaks it's soft but engaging.

Hey, we just need about five to ten minutes before Uncle's ready to chat with anyone.

I'm pretty keen to catch up on the inquest so far and what's next.

So I jump in the car with Duck and Jalal and we head back to Duck's shed.

This is my office.

That's a deadly software.

The shed's packed with knickknacks, a possum skin and a didgeridoo in one corner.

Repurposed kitchen cupboards and an old metal filing cabinet line the walls, while random watercolour landscape paintings from Vinny's bring colour to the brown brick.

By now, Jalal has spent a lot of time in here.

It feels like a sacred place, so much struggle and pain and you just feel all of that various emotion on the walls.

I know this shed pretty well.

It's Dark's special spot where he likes to work.

I sat sat here for the first time over a decade ago, smoking cigarettes and drinking endless cups of strong coffee with Duck.

Jalal tells me Mark's case is famous in legal circles and that a lot of people have heard about it because of this podcast.

But nothing could have prepared him for meeting Duck.

He's such a character.

I had to sit down and try and get his affidavit onto paper.

And it took hours and hours and hours hours and late night calls and visits in Tamworth because he he made it clear like he won't see Mark's case confined to

you know

two days in 1988 or at police investigation between 1988 to 1989 he he sees Mark's death can connected to you know the deaths of other other Aboriginal people yeah it's contextual right Because you have to say where did this start?

Yes, we have...

And similar to the referendum for an Aboriginal voice to federal parliament, it was defeated.

You know, it just

makes me think how history is since occupation.

Some things have changed, but a terrible lot of things haven't.

Jalal has a lot of respect for the dedication Duck has to finding answers.

Six months I've been involved in this.

He's been involved in this for 36 years and he's met 20, 30 people like me and many more who've come in and then have left and he's still been there holding the foot.

It's a little bit strange hearing Jalal

because I remember being in the same position, sitting in Duck's little shed, feeling suffocated by mountains of loose paperwork and legal documents.

Duck talking a million miles a minute.

Uncle Duck arm wrestles you like, you know, like a very strong and formidable wrestler, saying, you will not confine me.

This is bigger.

You must take notice.

Jalal's been guiding Duck through this two-week inquest.

But getting to this point has taken decades of fighting.

It's been a monumental undertaking.

It was fairly obvious something was brewing months earlier when I received a subpoena asking for access to the research and notes I'd made for Blood on the Tracks.

Not long after that, we got confirmation that a fresh coronial inquest would investigate Mark's death.

That's when I reached out to Uncle Duck again.

Hey, Uncle Duck, how are you?

Oh

mate, it's been a long day.

After Blood on the Tracks, our yarns had become a little less frequent.

With whole oceans between us, it was easy for life to sweep us away.

But like always, it was like no time had passed at all, and we started talking regularly on the phone.

Late at night in France, and Uncle Duck drinking his morning black coffee in Tamworth.

Well, it avalanches.

Okay, it's like I'm caught in a bloody crevice and there's been a bloody avalanche duck and his family weren't doing so great and then i gotta go over to my brother

every saturday to give him a bloody ozempic bloody needle for his diabetes he's bloody going blind deaf

to me sister barb you know sister barb yeah i do how is she doing actually

yeah well she ended up with stage four bloody cancer oh no

Yeah.

Like so many of our mob, life had become pretty hard.

But this inquest had offered up some hope for all of Mark's family.

Finally, authorities were listening after decades of silence.

They were going to examine evidence and compel witnesses to speak.

Then just a few weeks before the inquest was due to start, Duck's mood shifted.

Things got dark.

Today is Monday, the 25th of March.

I got up quite early because I wanted to chat with Duck.

We spoke for a bit over an hour and a half and you know he was just so

frustrated, angry,

a kind of very

fuck the world mentality.

He was also kind of, well, he's pissed off with his lawyers.

He was pissed off with me.

I think he was pissed off with everyone, the whole process, the police.

He feels feels like there's not enough time and he feels like his legal team is not doing kind of everything they can to sort of explore all of his theories.

I don't think he's going to get the sort of answers he wants.

That's the kind of sinking feeling I'm getting.

Before the first day of the inquest in April 2024, Uncle Duck held a smoking ceremony on the train tracks where Mark's body was found in 1988.

A practice to cleanse and heal.

Clear bad spirits.

The coroner, along with the lawyers and court staff, watched on.

Then they all made their way to the courthouse where the inquest began.

Deputy State Coroner Harriet Graham is in charge of the inquest.

She's a small woman but has earned herself a formidable reputation when it comes to scrutinizing police.

She's also become known as someone who actively puts victims' families at the centre of the inquest.

As the inquest got underway, the ABC's Tamworth reporter Max Tillman was sent along to watch.

It's a much bigger story than just the death of Mark.

It's got a lot more to do with Tamworth, I think, and Tamworth has carried it.

for 36 years as a town.

It's not just, you know, the family that have carried that burden.

I think in a lot of ways, all the Tamworth has.

It's part of the mythology of the whole region.

Everyone has an opinion.

Everyone has a theory.

And when they find out that you're a reporter and that you're new to Tamworth, it's effectively part of the welcome package.

Mark's family have maintained from day one that his death was never properly investigated because he was black.

After covering cases like this for years and spending a lot of time in different communities,

I can say it's emblematic of the treatment of Indigenous victims of crime right across the country.

The handling of Mark's case by the local police and their attitudes to Mark's family is an unhealed scar that stretches across the town still.

People are very proud of Tamworth, but at the same time,

Mark's story is a dark side,

and

that duality is a really big part of being in this region.

You know, it's

drought,

it's bountiful harvest.

It moves between these really extreme elements.

And

I think Mark's story is intertwined in all that.

In the first week of the inquest, there was testimony from a bunch of experts.

The first week of the inquest really seemed to focus on where Mark was found and

the mechanics of the trains,

how Mark could have sustained his head injuries.

It was dense and detailed.

Nothing new came to light despite long days of questioning.

I

really struggled, first of all, to keep up because so much of it was really, really technical.

But, you know, we were just thinking, when are we going to get to how Mark ended up there?

That was a difficult first week.

Remember, the initial police position was that Mark made his way to the railway tracks and lay down of his own volition.

Now, that theory supposes that after walking onto the tracks in the pitch blackness, Mark laid on the tracks, put a box on his chest, and placed a neatly folded towel under his head, then waited for the train.

So at the inquiry, the experts re-examined the evidence, the apparent lack of blood at the scene, the fact that Mark's shoes were clean, despite the fact he would have had to walk through rain and and mud to get to the train tracks, and the towel found under Mark's head.

The first police officers on the scene thought the towel looked like it was put there deliberately.

But no one knows where it went.

It was never taken into evidence and it just disappeared.

Same as the Tirana, the one the police believe Mark stole.

That car was left to rot on the side of the train tracks for weeks.

It was never taken into evidence and never fingerprinted or even properly examined.

The family's lawyer Jalal Razi said all it amounted to was that the police theory isn't credible.

It's not serious that this could have been Mark placing himself on these tracks, someone who couldn't drive a car,

had allegedly some argument with his girlfriend and decided as a result of that.

to drive out in a manual car with limited fuel and lie down on train tracks, put a towel towel under his head and maybe a box over the top of him.

How was that ever taken seriously?

Finally, here was a chance to really interrogate why, on the surface, there were so many missed opportunities.

Next, the first police officers on the scene in 1988 were called to give evidence.

They've never spoken publicly about the case before and have rejected my request for interviews over the years.

So I was pretty keen to hear what they had to say.

But when questioned, they didn't add anything new.

Former senior constable Gordon Guyer said: while the police thought the tower was strange at the time, to this day, he doesn't necessarily view it as suspicious.

And still, no one knows where that tower went.

No one's clear.

No one supposedly has a memory of this very significant case.

No one's even clear on who the officer in charge of the investigation was and how different decisions were made and what the order of hierarchy was and how could that not be known?

Like how are we here at this investigation with all of this time?

What records were kept, what were not kept, where things were stored.

The coroner was,

you know, seemingly scratching her head and asking for further checks to be done.

The first week of evidence also shone a light on the relationship between the police and the Aboriginal community in Tamworth during the 80s.

At the inquest, Constable Guyer admitted that police may have referred to Caldale, the black side of town where Mark was living, as Vegemite Village.

It was derogatory, Vegemite obviously being black.

There was some acknowledgement by Officer Guyer about the phrase Veggie Village and that being horrible, you know, racist reference to Aboriginal people and and their skin colour and it was just so normalized.

The thing is, it's still pretty common to hear Coldale called this today.

I've heard it heaps of times over the years while in Tamworth.

For Duck, this attitude just cements his belief that because Mark was black, the case was given less attention and fewer resources.

If he was a white boy.

Well, we know that

this matter would have been treated differently.

To the people in the courtroom, it felt like things were going around in circles.

There didn't seem to be any traction, no answers, and the first week of the inquest was swallowed up pretty fast.

It ended with a whimper.

In the second week, we heard from Tanya White, Mark's girlfriend at the time of his death.

But her story remained the same.

So once I heard that, I started to think, is this just going to be the prevailing theme?

Are we just going to hear a lot of no's or I don't remember?

But after Tanya, someone no one was expecting or prepared for appeared out of the blue and dropped a bombshell.

Rodney Paul Lavender was not on the witness list and voluntarily asked to appear.

In his late 50s, Lavender's an imposing figure, Tats on both of his biceps, a fairly hard face, and has had a few run-ins with local law enforcement over the years.

Lavender knew Mark through mutual friends.

One of those friends was Mark's best mate, Glenn Mannion.

In fact, you've actually heard from Glenn before.

Thanks for agreeing to have a yarn with me.

No worries, man.

You might remember, in the final episode of Blood on the Tracks, I landed a big interview with someone we called Greg.

Well,

Greg is the pseudonym we gave to Glenn Mannion.

So I'll just ask you one last time.

Did you have anything to do with Mark's death?

Absolutely not.

Were you there on the train tracks when Mark died?

Absolutely not.

In 2016, police took a statement from Lavender.

He claimed that he and Glenn were at a party on the night Mark was killed.

In that statement, Lavender says Glenn disappeared during the night, then, quote, the next morning, Glenn turned up at work late and was acting funny.

Lavender heard Glenn had rolled a little white car, but says Mark's name wasn't mentioned.

But here he is at the inquest, many years later, with a different story.

He essentially took the stand and said that on the morning of January 16 at about six o'clock a.m., he'd seen Glenn Mannion looking shaken and upset.

He'd seen him with cuts and scratches.

And then

he said to the court, Glenn, telling him, Stoney is dead, and I think I killed him.

Stoney was Mark's nickname.

Max, who was watching, says the entire courtroom seemed to take a collective breath.

I remember looking across

and

just

being completely stunned.

I don't think I actually wrote those words down until a few seconds afterwards because I thought,

have I fallen asleep?

And, you know, this is in my imagination.

Lavender never mentioned anything in his 2016 statement about Glenn saying, quote, I think I killed him.

But now he was insistent, that's what Glenn said.

He was very certain of what he heard.

And he was more than willing to acknowledge there are other parts of that sequence of events that he can't recall, but he was certain that he definitely saw Glenn that morning and he heard those words, Stony is dead and I think I killed him.

Then it was Glenn Manion's turn to give evidence.

There was a lot of myth around Glenn,

but then I saw him in person for the first time and he is an imposing figure.

He's a very tall man.

He's very broad.

He has these really noticeable blue eyes.

Max tells me Glenn was composed and measured in his responses.

First, he was questioned about his military service.

Why did he sign up just weeks after Mark died?

Maybe those two dates aren't connected.

Maybe Glenn did want to be a soldier.

It's, you know, it's not, we can't get into his head.

But on first glance, it was, it was interesting that there was such a short amount of time between.

The court then heard he returned to Tamworth six years after his military service and developed a heroin addiction.

More questioning about Glenn's life followed, but before the court could really delve into the accusations made by Lavender, things came to a screeching halt.

So it's about three o'clock in the afternoon on day

eight of the inquest on the day that Glenn was giving his evidence.

Max was sitting in court furiously taking notes when all of a sudden, someone passed a piece of paper to the coroner.

Suddenly there was a bit of a commotion.

There was notes passed around and suddenly Glenn was just excused and he's left court.

It just felt like everything was leading up to this moment where Glenn was going to have to answer a lot of questions in public and suddenly that comes to this really dramatic halt.

There was nothing I could have anticipated.

So it was yeah shocking.

No one seemed to know what was going on.

And to this day, we still don't know what was on that note.

But Coroner Harriet Graham did tell the court that Glenn Mannion was excused for the day, but not excused from giving evidence in the future.

We heard that it was anticipated that new evidence or new developments were going to arise.

We were not told what they were.

There's obviously a lot of theories that have been thrown around about what that new development could be,

but we do know that it's significant enough that this inquest has now been set down for another five days of hearings in late October in Tamworth.

That means everyone would have to wait six months to hear Glenn Mannion respond to the allegations made against him.

I saw it all happen in court and there was a bit of a strange vibe, but it got stranger.

Coroner Harriet Graham said that the case would be removed from the Oxley Area Command and handed over to homicide in Sydney.

That meant the case was no longer in the hands of the local detective Craig Dunn, the detective who'd been in charge for years.

In court I was sitting just behind Detective Dunn and when he heard this he abruptly stood up and strode out of the courthouse during the address, not looking too happy.

Then the hearing was adjourned until October.

But before we all left, Uncle Duck, who'd been sitting pretty restlessly behind his legal reps, stood up to address the coroner.

By the way, Uncle Duck's real name is Don Craigie, so Max calls him Don.

Don

stood for the first time in that court and spoke directly to the coroner and you could feel that energy in the room that this suddenly became a conversation between two people that everyone was just present for.

And it was when Don started to talk about the fact that there are members of the family who may not live till October.

That's the first time that he

broke down and became really emotional.

And the coroner even said afterwards,

There'll definitely be two people on October 28 when the inquest returns to Tamworth.

And one of them will be me and one of them will be you, Don.

After the adjournment, Duck spoke to the waiting media.

Well, I dare say you want to know whether I'm happy about the adjournment.

No, I am not.

I am disappointed, to say the least.

And I don't think I can say too much more at this particular point.

But other than that, thank you very much for being with me

and my family on this long and arduous journey.

From there, I spent a week with Duck, Jalal and Max, trying to get my head around everything.

The inquest might have been on pause, but there was still a lot of ground to cover.

That's when Duck tells me we're going for a drive.

This is classic Uncle Duck, unable to stop investigating.

I've missed doing this with him, chasing leads, even if they lead us down dead ends.

Well, we're going to go for a ride out the road, in and out the road.

Duck says Lavender's family used to own a farm that was also a car wrecking yard.

Ever since Lavender's appearance at the inquest, Duck's been itching to get out there.

We drive out of town on unsealed roads that slice through farms and quarries.

You just have to direct me.

Yeah, we're going to the left or to the left.

Lavender's name's been floating around the case for years lavender and manion were mates when mark died years later lavender worked for glenn at manion drilling glenn's family's business before they had a falling out

duck says the inquest was the first time he's actually seen lavender in person

now duck's got more questions for him So we're heading out to Lavender's property.

On the way, we drive past the train tracks.

We knock on the door, but Lavender's not home.

I'm kinda relieved.

But once again, it feels like a dead end.

I gotta say, Lavender's testimony about Glenn Mannion seemed like the first big new piece of evidence we'd heard in a long time.

But like so many things with this case, there's just just no concrete proof that it's true.

He gave a statement to police back in 2016.

Why didn't he tell them about Glenn's alleged confession back then?

Why come forward after all these years of staying silent?

I managed to get Lavender on the phone and he told me that he appeared at the inquest because it was the right time and he wanted to help Duck.

He said he didn't speak up sooner because there's been bad blood between his family and the local police and he doesn't trust them.

I told Duck but like always he just took it in his stride.

So I just left Uncle Duck.

I just said my goodbyes because

I'm flying back

to Sydney and then back to France

tomorrow.

And I'm feeling quite emotional actually.

I think saying goodbye it gets harder and harder because I've watched him get older and older and

you know we went around and we saw Auntie Barb, who is

Uncle Duck's older sister, and she

has stage four cancer at the moment, and it's not looking too good for her.

Auntie Barb actually said to me, you know,

I won't be here when we find out, and that just really hit me right in the gut.

Even just getting emotional right now,

like talking about it.

How much longer?

How much longer do they have have to wait?

What was supposed to be one more block of hearings turned into three more blocks of hearings over another year and a half?

I'd stab late in France on the phone with the ABC's Tamworth reporter, Max Tillman, who diligently sat in court every day.

He told me we heard from Eddie Davis, who you might recall Duck's always been a bit suspicious of.

Rumours of his involvement had followed him from 1988.

He's obviously a much older man now and you could almost detect how much of a weight that he'd carried over all those years, particularly when he just categorically denied having any involvement.

Eddie didn't have anything new or noteworthy to add and at the end of his evidence he surprised everyone by standing up looking Duck directly in the eye and speaking to him from one black foller another.

They maintained eye contact the entire time and Eddie essentially said that he had nothing to do with Mark's death.

He was, you know, incredibly sorry and empathetic to the family who'd had to go through this for all these decades.

And ultimately he said, I would have never harmed and certainly never killed another Aboriginal man.

And it was quite an emotional moment.

I know that Chris McGuorie, counselor assisting, was was choked up and brought to tears and I don't consider myself a particularly emotional person but even now,

when I think about it now, I still get a lump in my throat.

But the person we were all really waiting to hear from again was Glenn Mannion.

After his earlier appearance at the inquest had been suddenly cut short, Max and I agreed that the wait for him to come back felt interminable.

I think that we had really high hopes for when Glenn returned because so many questions were about Glenn and so many of those witnesses were within Glenn's orbit that it just felt that it would be somewhat of a natural conclusion when he reappeared and so many of these things would be put to him.

And while the wait dragged on, Mark's family's worst fears were realized.

Arnie Barb, who wanted to make it to the end of the inquest, died of cancer.

Six months later, but still long before the inquest was due to end, there was more terrible news.

It's

Monday.

I've just put my kids to bed.

I come downstairs and then I get a message saying that Uncle Duck's son, Don Jr.,

was killed

over the the weekend

in an accident with a truck.

I'm completely just shaken by it.

I can't imagine what this is going to do to Uncle Duck.

Like, what a cruel world.

What an absolute cruel world.

It's a stark reminder of how long it's taken to get to this point.

And there's still no end in sight.

But despite it all, Duck keeps showing up up and clinging to hope.

It's knocked me down for a while.

It's taken a lot on me and then

also on my family.

I made promises to Mark's mum and dad, the whole family.

Yeah.

That

for them,

I will deal with this.

Personally, My family, I dare say they missed out a lot of time with me and I missed out a lot of time with them.

In April this year, the inquest kicked off again, this time in Sydney.

Dark made the five-hour trip from Tamworth and everyone thought this must be the one, the last sitting.

Surely we'd get some answers.

We heard from Glenn Mannion's ex-partner, Kathleen Arthur.

She alleged Glenn had once drunkenly told her he was involved in Mark Haynes' death.

We first reported this in the original season of this podcast, but we didn't use her name.

Now that she's speaking at the inquest, we can finally reveal who she is.

Next, scrutiny fell on the police and their handling of Mark's investigation.

A name cropped up that both Max and I had heard before.

We can only use his last name.

Mr.

Edmonds.

Most interesting and compelling thing that we've heard so far is about Edmonds.

Does that name ring a bell for you?

Absolutely.

Yeah, he's friends with Mark.

He's also friends with Glenn Mannion.

Interesting that it's come up today.

Absolutely.

There is a history.

Mr.

Edmonds made a statement to the Aboriginal Legal Service in July 1988, six months after Mark's death.

In it, he claimed he'd heard a rumour that Mark had been murdered and the motive had to do with drugs.

Mr.

Edmonds was just a teenager at the time.

It was established that he knew Glenn around the time of Mark's death.

In fact, they were the same age.

They socialised in similar social circles.

So he was intimately involved in the case, going as far as actually being a part of the brief of evidence to begin with.

But years later, Mr.

Edmonds became a cop and was eventually put in charge of the investigation into Mark's death, despite his friendship with Mark and his connection to the case.

Mr.

Edmonds' boss appeared at this inquest, and he said at the time they saw this as a benefit.

Essentially, his argument was he actually saw it more as an advantage that Edmonds was so familiar with the cast of characters, and the fact that he knew a majority of the people involved was a benefit to the case.

So I think that there was

quite a deal, a great deal of conflict, particularly, it gave you a very clear insight into

what that police station was like even in the late 1990s.

The boss told the court that now, with the benefit of hindsight, Mr.

Edmonds should never have been on the investigation.

To add to all this is the fact that when there was another fresh look at the case in 1999, Glenn Mannion was not pre-interviewed.

It did raise a lot of questions as to were there potentially any gaps in that re-investigation.

Mr.

Edmonds was also questioned at the inquest, but it was a closed court, so we don't know what he said.

Max asked him for an interview outside the court, but he didn't want to talk.

Look, at any rate, it's a really significant insight into how this case was handled.

Now, everyone's just waiting to see Glenn Mannion.

I think that we had really high hopes for when Glenn returned.

I certainly thought that that was probably going to be as close as we could get to a high point of the inquest.

And a year after he first appeared, he finally takes the stand.

Glenn's a tall bloke with a pretty solid build.

Now in his 50s, he has quite a presence.

I remember sitting down with him for Blood on the Tracks and being struck by the intensity of his stare.

Glenn's asked directly if he ever told Lavender, quote, I think I killed Stoney,

or if he had cuts and bruises on him the morning of Mark's death.

He just categorically denied that that conversation had ever happened.

After all the anticipation, it quickly becomes apparent that we're not going to get much from Glenn.

He bats away the majority of questions with a clipped and curt, I do not recall.

There was certainly a lot that we had been wanting to see Glenn answer.

And maybe we were foolish to think that

he would answer it with that much sort of clarity and candor.

But there was certainly a lot of disappointment from our perspective that his answers to almost every single one of those questions were uniformly, I don't recall or I don't remember.

But it did certainly feel as though there were moments where the whole courtroom was slightly frustrated.

Even when asked to share good stories about Mark, one of his best mates, he either didn't remember or failed to give any real emotive detail.

From what I've heard in court, I've struggled to see the intimacy of that bond between him and Mark because it certainly doesn't come across in the evidence that he gives.

Everyone else who knew Mark will at some point in their evidence describe how friendly and bubbly he was.

But

from my perspective, sitting in that court every single day, you never really did get the impression that they were all that close, at least from what Glenn said.

All of this gets under Duck's lawyer's skin.

There were a number of relatively hostile exchanges between, particularly Jalal Razi

and Glenn.

In fact,

one thing Jalal said to him really, really stood out.

He said, you know more than what you're telling this court uh but whatever it is you're hiding it to which glenn replied i'm not hiding anything anything i know i will tell you and at that point don actually stood up in court in a very similar instance to when he had been addressed directly by eddie davis back in october and a similar thing happened here um and it was really the last exchange that glenn made before he finished giving his evidence but when doc stood up glenn was actually asked to by Joel, to address Don directly.

And all he said is, I hope you get answers.

I really do.

And that was essentially

the end of his evidence.

Glenn's evidence was over.

Max asked him for an interview after every court appearance, but he refused.

And now he was walking out of the courtroom for the last time.

and leaving behind him so many unanswered questions.

And unfortunately, they, at least from the coroner's perspective, they will remain unanswered because Glenn finished his evidence, jumped into a cab and went straight to the airport and flew to Brisbane.

And I,

from at least what I've seen, I can't anticipate Glenn

really agreeing to talk much more about this.

There's only one person left to take the stand, Uncle Duck.

He's been waiting nearly 40 years to sit in that seat and have his say.

I watched the video link from France.

He looked so diminutive but defiant and those expressive eyes were wildly scanning everyone in that room.

From his first answer, It became pretty clear to me that Duck's style of talking, his meandering anecdotes and stories, his passion, doesn't fit neatly into the court system.

I think Don's natural way of talking can often be quite allegorical, I'd say.

It's the first time that anything Don's ever said has been like really, really genuinely scrutinised.

And I can imagine that that would have been really, really stressful.

For two whole days, Uncle Duck was grilled by the police barrister Stephen Russell.

They alleged that he did his own investigation and withheld evidence, which Duck flat out denied.

Duck and his brothers have always maintained that they went out looking for answers back in 1988, after the police told them to ask around.

There is a sort of line of like sort of thinking from him as well as like, well, this is all becoming about me now.

I wouldn't have had to do these things if...

like we had the support of the police.

All of this took Duck by surprise.

He thought he was here to honour Mark, the quiet, kind-hearted boy who adored his family, to help people understand the huge impact losing him has had on the family and the community.

But it's the job of police barrister Stephen Russell to represent the force, and it felt adversarial.

He asked Duck to directly address a police officer who's part of the investigation into the death of his nephew Mark.

Stephen Russell stood up and he said, well, Mr.

Craigie, there is actually a member of the New South Wales Police Force who is currently investigating the nephew's death and he's sitting in the court now.

So could you look at him and say that you do not have confidence in him?

And Don

squared him up and said, I do not have confidence.

Just sort of feels almost unseemly that you would ask an Aboriginal person whose family member was a victim

to look at a police officer and tell them that you have faith in them.

After two days of grueling questioning, Duck left the stand looking exhausted and browbeaten.

I rang him later to see how he felt about it all.

They sprung that on me.

I wasn't expected to appear until later on after, but no, they wanted to hear from me and they heard from me.

There was all kinds of bloody innuendos, rundown flowing around the place and I was there to vindicate myself as well.

It's October 2025 and we've now reached the final week of this marathon inquest.

But there's still more surprises in store.

I just gave the evidence to my best recollection of what happened on that night.

and what I saw and that's all I can do mate.

A man called Jason Cupert got up in front of the court and said he's been holding back a secret.

I should have come forward years ago and it's been

don't get me crying again mate.

I know it makes for good TV and that but

yeah.

This is Jason Cupert talking to the media after he gave evidence.

Max was in the courtroom that day.

What he essentially alleged in court is that he was walking down Hillsy Road sometime between 3 and 3.30 a.m.

on the morning when as he's crossing the road he sees this white Tirana come tearing up the street

and he told the court that it essentially almost knocked him off his feet and he said that in the driver's seat was Glenn Mannion.

Glenn Mannion's yelled out, Cupid, get off the road you fuckwit.

And he said that there was someone in the passenger seat and there were two people in the back of the car.

Jason told the court he couldn't identify the people in the passenger seats of the car, but he was absolutely sure it was Glenn Mannion driving.

He even had a bit of an outburst in court where he said, when talking about Glenn Mannion, he said he's guilty.

He's guilty as sin.

Mark, Glenn and Jason all knew each other back then.

They were the same age.

They all played footy together.

But Jason said while he and Mark were friendly, he never got along with Glenn.

He did raise the fact that Glenn and him had effectively fought over a girl in high school.

Later when Jason Cupitt spoke outside court, he said the moment he decided to come forward was when Glenn Mannion gave evidence earlier this year.

Remember, Glenn categorically denied being there on the train tracks that night.

After Glenn said he wasn't driving the white Tirana, Jason said he couldn't stay silent.

If he didn't do it directly, he knows what happened and he was involved in what happened.

In the end, the last words at the inquest went to the police.

Detective Craig Dunn was in charge of Mark's case for years and we got to finally hear his theory about what happened to Mark.

He is very much of the belief that there were two white Tiranas involved.

A crash has occurred.

Mark has been seriously injured and he's been placed

on those train tracks.

It's a theory I've heard before that there were two cars involved.

And it all pretty much lines up with our investigation while making blood on the tracks.

In some ways, it felt like a satisfying conclusion.

But then the next witness had his say and it felt like I was right back at the beginning.

Peter Ruddins, who's a detective with the Unsolved Homicide Squad.

He essentially said that of all the theories as to what happened to Mark, the one theory that he believes is plausible is that it was a suicide.

A few years ago, Mark Haynes's case was given to unsolved homicide in Sydney.

And Detective Peter Rudens was tasked with forensically looking over all the evidence.

So the interpretation that I got was that he is purely looking at the facts presented to him.

And regardless of the evidence that Mark couldn't drive, regardless of all these other eyewitness accounts, what he can read from the brief does not exclude the possibility that Mark made his own way out there that night.

But in response to his evidence, Deputy Coroner Harriet Graham made a pointed comment.

There was one moment where she actually said to Detective Sergeant Rudens, I can see no evidence to suggest that Mark's death was suicide or a self-inflicted death.

It looks like homicide haven't strayed too far from the theory that Mark's death was a suicide or misadventure.

I thought it might be a blow for Don, but as usual he stood on the steps of the courthouse remaining steadfast in his beliefs.

Ready for the next step on this long road toward justice.

I've heard it for nearly 40 odd years and put it this way,

if I believed that or the family believed that, we would not be here today.

How do you feel knowing that

we're getting to the end of the road, at least in terms of the process?

Ah, mate, as I've also said previously, when one journey ends, another one may begin.

Beautiful.

Thank you, Don.

That's all we need.

Thank you.

The inquest is finally over and the coroner will return next year with her findings.

So this is the end of our story for now.

I think we always knew that that getting answers or some form of real justice from this inquest would be a long shot, but there's still hope.

I'll leave the last words to Ron and Lorna, Mark's brother and sister.

They don't often speak to the media, but

they wanted to have their voices heard.

For them, That horrible day back in 1988 feels like yesterday.

Losing your son.

They thought the world of their big brother Mark, especially Ron.

As a 15-year-old kid, Ron remembers visiting the morgue with his mum to see Mark's body.

It's an image that's haunted him every day since.

When I went to the morgue with his mum,

me and mum, you know, we couldn't recognize his body, his face.

And that really took a lot out of me all these years and still goes on the day.

It never leaves my mind and

but mum wanted me to go with her.

Ron and Josie, Mark's parents, were never the same after his death.

They both died heartbroken with no answers.

Ron and Lorna, who will continue to fight for justice, are glad that Mark's case is in the public eye.

But they wonder why it's taken three decades for people to pay attention.

Everyone's talking about it.

Why couldn't they talk about it back then?

That upsets me.

They could have talked about it before, but no one talked about it.

But now they bring it all up.

Now they're all talking about him.

We wanted

everyone to talk about him when he passed away.

No one did, because he was just another little black fella.

Whatever happened on that dark, rainy night on the train tracks has forever changed Ron and Lorna.

They've barely known a life without grief and trauma.

And we just want to know the truth and why.

Closure.

Clojure, yeah, Clojure.

It's really hard to listen to everything.

But we need to.

We need this, A-Ron.

It's helping us.

It's a lot to take in.

It takes a lot out of us going to court every single day.

But we go for Mark, mum and dad.

We go for them three, eh?

Then I think of mum and dad and Mark.

I miss them so much.

This is the last episode of Blood on the Tracks.

For now.

Make sure you hit subscribe or follow on the Unravel podcast because we'll be back next year when the coroner releases the findings of the inquest.

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