Kristal Reisinger: Part 4 - Fried Rice

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Speaker 14 It's one of Britain's most notorious crimes, the killing of a wealthy family at Whitehouse Farm. But I got a tip that the story of this famous case might be all wrong.

Speaker 16 I know there's going to be a twist, willn't they? A massive twist. At every level of the criminal justice system, there's been a cover-up in this case.

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Speaker 17 Crystal Risinger vanished in the summer of 2016. from the small town of Crestone, Colorado, a place known for its spirituality, its isolation, isolation, and, as I'd come to learn, its secrets.

Speaker 17 Crystal was a mother, a poet, a deep thinker. And she didn't just disappear.
Someone made her disappear. And now, after years of dead ends, we're closer than ever to knowing who is responsible.

Speaker 17 For years, two names kept coming up. Two men who, by all accounts, were some of the last people to see Crystal alive.
But now, they're both dead.

Speaker 17 Catfish John and Dreddy Brian. Which in a case like this can feel like the end of the road.

Speaker 17 But it isn't. Because the truth didn't die with them.
It's still out there.

Speaker 17 And the people who knew them. The ones who were there.
And the ones who have stayed silent all this time.

Speaker 17 And now you can help.

Speaker 17 But only if you're brave enough to come forward.

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Speaker 20 I'm your host, Payne Lindsay.

Speaker 17 So, four years ago, in July of 2021, I got an email. At first, it seemed like just another tip,

Speaker 17 one of the hundreds that come in for cases like this. But this one was different.
A woman reached out to me with something she said I needed to hear. This is the transcript of our email exchange.

Speaker 21 An inmate in Sumter County, Florida says he has information for you. He won't contact the CBI,

Speaker 21 and definitely not the county sheriff, but he says he will talk to you.

Speaker 17 I responded, do you know this person? And could you put me in contact?

Speaker 21 Yes, I do. He's my boyfriend.

Speaker 15 Okay, great.

Speaker 17 Here's my cell phone number.

Speaker 21 When I talked to him a few days ago, he said he had information. He isn't currently allowed phone calls, but you can e-message him on the Securis app.

Speaker 17 Does he know something about Crystal?

Speaker 21 He's on restriction and he's an inmate. He can't make phone calls for 15 days, but he can message you on the app.
He says he knows what happened to Crystal. He used to live with Catfish.

Speaker 21 He's from Crestone. All you need is a secure account to talk to him.
He told yesterday, in a jail recording, that he had some information.

Speaker 21 He said, has information for Payne Lindsay, specifically for you.

Speaker 17 She told me there was a man sitting in prison. Someone with intimate knowledge of Crystal Reisinger's disappearance, and he wanted to confess, but not to police not to an attorney to me specifically

Speaker 17 that email changed everything it sent my investigation on an entirely new course one that led me straight to a man with the nickname rice

Speaker 17 which may sound familiar

Speaker 22 Jeddie Bryan cat there was a guy

Speaker 22 Rice Rice came to my name.

Speaker 17 Four years passed and that nickname Rice, slowly faded into the background. That is, until just a few weeks ago.
But let's back up.

Speaker 17 From the very beginning, from the very start of season two, all the way back in 2018, state law enforcement, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, was in contact with us.

Speaker 17 Dozens and dozens of phone calls, meetings, texts, for months. I just never aired these recordings.

Speaker 17 We had a sort of handshake agreement, keeping our relationship professional, keeping it out of the public eye.

Speaker 17 And because I kept my word, because I never released those tapes, something happened that almost never does in cases like this.

Speaker 17 They started to trust me. They started to trust the podcast.

Speaker 17 Hey man, it's Payne.

Speaker 15 Hey, Payne, how are you?

Speaker 17 Years after season 2 was done airing, I got a random phone call one day from an investigator at the CBI.

Speaker 17 His name was Kevin, and he told me that the original investigator, now retired, had vouched for me. And because of that, and only that, he wanted to speak with me regarding Crystal's case.

Speaker 17 Because now, the state of Colorado has an entire cold case unit dedicated to finding out what really happened to Crystal. And for the first time, we're actually working together.

Speaker 17 Unofficially, but officially.

Speaker 23 I've been doing this a long time, and law enforcement is getting a bad rap right now. And if we can resolve that, you know, if I can make even one person go, hmm, maybe the cops aren't that bad.
Yeah.

Speaker 23 That's important to me too.

Speaker 17 Yeah, and I've told a few people that we were doing this, and they're like, why did they agree to do that with you guys? I was like, honestly, I think they just, you know, are willing to try stuff.

Speaker 23 First of all, I can't believe we can't even sit in here with one of these things on. I'm serious because I've never

Speaker 23 been a long, long time and I have never never done this.

Speaker 23 I never thought I would. I always told myself, never.

Speaker 17 Could you just tell me, like, in your own words, like, why you decided to reach out to me in the first place to talk about Crystal's case?

Speaker 23 So in reviewing the case, there was people that you talked to that I don't know that would have talked to law enforcement.

Speaker 23 And I think it was important for me to have that information for my investigation.

Speaker 23 I think we talked previously that there's people that don't want to talk to law enforcement that will talk to you and that information may or may not be valuable but I would like to at least be able to review it and see how it might be applicable to what I'm doing in my investigation.

Speaker 23 So that was my number one reason. The number two reason is I felt you guys actually cared about this case.
I did listen to your podcast and I thought that you did a good job.

Speaker 23 You were very thorough and you had a lot of community interest.

Speaker 23 With your community interest, I was hopeful that I could get a message out that we're still working on this case and we want to resolve it.

Speaker 23 I did not work on this case. This case was handled by other agents.
I'd heard about it and then I heard other people talking about your podcast and, oh, it's very interesting.

Speaker 23 So I listened to it and I thought, wow, this is great. Fast forward to last year, this case was assigned to me.
And I recalled your podcast. I re-listened to it.

Speaker 23 And I thought you had valuable information.

Speaker 23 Sometimes I think that

Speaker 23 the media is helpful. Sometimes I don't think they are.
And in this instance, I thought you guys were trying to be very helpful.

Speaker 23 Just your overall perspective that you generated through the podcast, that you cared about Crystal, her family, and you also wanted a resolution.

Speaker 17 How many times have you called

Speaker 17 a podcaster to

Speaker 17 help figure it out?

Speaker 23 Zero.

Speaker 23 I have never called the media for anything in any one of my cases.

Speaker 23 Of course, we want the resource that the media has to offer to us is to get the word out there, to get a picture out, to get video out and ask for assistance from the public.

Speaker 23 We need their help in these cases. We need their help.
And the majority of the cases, we work. But have I ever just reached out to somebody such as yourself and said, can we talk about this?

Speaker 23 I think you have information that might be valuable.

Speaker 15 I've never done that.

Speaker 23 What I gathered from listening to your podcast is you had a genuine real-life connection to this case and you want to solve it as much as I do. You want to know what happened to Crystal.

Speaker 23 So not knowing you, but knowing kind of

Speaker 23 your take on this case and who you are, I think some people, they're more apt to talk to you than they are to law enforcement. But why is that, you think?

Speaker 23 Well, I think some people have things to hide. There's multiple reasons why they might not want to talk.

Speaker 23 People are reluctant to talk to law enforcement because of the culture that they're raised in or poor experiences with law enforcement in the past.

Speaker 18 I think it's easier for you

Speaker 23 to say, hey, I'm looking at this case and I just want to chat with you about it.

Speaker 23 You know, if I show up and say that, they get worried that they're going to be in trouble or I'm going to think they're hiding something or they fear that I'm there to arrest them, which is not the case.

Speaker 23 I just, I need help. I need their information.

Speaker 23 So what I'm looking for in your information is cooperation of things we may already know, potentially new information that may not have been shared by the multitude of people that you talk to,

Speaker 23 and

Speaker 23 something that might lead to new information in this case, maybe a new name that was overlooked, that we never heard of because somebody mentioned them to you, but they never mentioned them to law enforcement.

Speaker 23 Things of that nature is what I'm looking for. And hopefully, it opens new doors and gets us started down a new path.

Speaker 15 I'm not sure what happened.

Speaker 23 I think that's what we're trying to get to the bottom of here.

Speaker 23 And with a partnership that with CBI and our local communities, in this case, Sawache County Sheriff's Office, I think we'll figure out what happened in this case, but we need the public to help us too.

Speaker 23 I do think it's solvable, and although difficult, because lot of the

Speaker 23 people involved in this case are from an alternate culture.

Speaker 23 Some of them are not very friendly with law enforcement. Some of them just are not friendly with government, period.

Speaker 23 So I think that's one hurdle. The age of the case really,

Speaker 23 it's a little bit old. I wouldn't call it excessively old.
So again, sometimes

Speaker 23 Time works in our favor in these cases. And I think that's potentially the case here.
Most people want to share information even though they're scared.

Speaker 23 I think somebody knows what happened in this case, whatever it may be. I think somebody knows.
They just need to pick up the phone, give us a call, and we'll come and talk to them.

Speaker 23 And hopefully, we can get a resolution.

Speaker 17 If that person you're talking about, who may be the lynchpin in solving this, with whatever information they may have, if they were to hear this, what would you say to them?

Speaker 23 Call me. I'm just a regular guy.
I just come out and meet with you and we can talk. That's it.
I think

Speaker 23 if this was your sister or your mom or your family member, you would want somebody to do that for you.

Speaker 23 And I know I would if it was my family.

Speaker 23 If you think from that perspective, there's really no risk. You can provide information.
You don't even have to give me your name right up front.

Speaker 23 We can talk and then we can make some decisions on if your information is valid and we can move forward from there. My primary focus is this case.

Speaker 23 I'm not interested in, unless you're going to tell me about another murder or another missing person,

Speaker 23 it's not of a concern to me as to your history or what your involvement in some criminal activities may have been in this case, if it's narcotics or, you know, those kind of things.

Speaker 23 That is not a concern. My concern is the disappearance of Crystal.
The biggest thing I, again, is

Speaker 23 a phone call or a piece of information, you know, walking into our offices or walking into the office of the sheriff and providing that piece of information, even though you might be scared.

Speaker 23 That is the key to get this thing rolling.

Speaker 23 And

Speaker 23 I stand behind that 100%, that we need that help from the community.

Speaker 17 How could we help beyond this point?

Speaker 23 I spent a lot of time in the San Luis Valley. Everybody knew about this podcast.

Speaker 23 So I can't say that that's, you know, I don't spend as much time there now, but

Speaker 23 I don't think that if I went down there today, people would say, oh, are you down here for Crystal? Right.

Speaker 23 But back a year and a half ago, two years ago, you knocked on somebody's door or you were doing some, are you here for the Crystal Wrestenger thing? And I think that probably is part of

Speaker 23 what you were able to build with this.

Speaker 23 I think this, just this conversation today today is important to build that kind of trust.

Speaker 23 Hopefully people can see that, you know, you, I think you took a risk coming to meet me and sharing your whole work with me,

Speaker 23 which I greatly appreciate. What do we have to do to solve this case? And I will try the, this is a try, and maybe it's going to be the breaker that gets us to where we need to go.

Speaker 23 Law enforcement is really helpful. That's why we're here.
We're not bad people.

Speaker 23 We're just normal people doing a job that some people don't like right now. And it's unfortunate.

Speaker 23 But again, I go back to that kind of notion, if this was your family, if this was your sister, what would you do? You'd do the right thing. And that's what I need you to do.

Speaker 23 I'm a huge fan of luck. Yeah.
I'd rather be lucky than good any day. And I think in this case, we need a little bit of luck.
These cases are difficult. Do I think it's solvable? Yes.

Speaker 23 Does that mean it's going to be solved? Not necessarily. But I won't give up.

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Speaker 15 How are you?

Speaker 15 How you been? Good.

Speaker 11 It's been a while. How you doing?

Speaker 11 Do you remember my boss, right?

Speaker 1 I do remember.

Speaker 1 Nice to see you.

Speaker 17 Last month, the team and I went to Denver to attend a ceremony held on the court steps of their capital.

Speaker 17 Colorado's official Missing Persons Day.

Speaker 24 This day serves as a stark reminder of the void left behind when a loved one vanishes and a painful and persistent question mark are etched into the hearts of families and communities across our state.

Speaker 32 The numbers are sobering.

Speaker 31 As we stand here today, 680 individuals remain missing in our state. When I took over as executive director in 2013,

Speaker 31 we had around 240 missing persons under suspicious circumstances.

Speaker 31 That number, you just heard of 688, more than doubled in that time.

Speaker 31 The database that we have started in 1970. The explosion of missing persons

Speaker 15 is

Speaker 31 stunning to say the least. Every day we wake up to have a cup of coffee and look at these beautiful Rocky Mountains.
Our loved one is not with us. We're re-victimized every day, every single day.

Speaker 31 It's time that the community step up and get involved. Pick up the phone even if it's uncomfortable.

Speaker 17 and call the authorities.

Speaker 31 Your name will not be outed, but get the information that you have to the authorities so that they can help these families behind me.

Speaker 31 The easy wrong is to simply do nothing at all and keep the information that you have about a significant case

Speaker 24 to yourself

Speaker 31 and live with that and go to the grave with it. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
Please do the hard right over the easy wrong.

Speaker 31 Christopher Enoch Abeda,

Speaker 15 Dora Alcarez.

Speaker 31 Emilio Allegra Martinez.

Speaker 17 One by one, they read out all the names of every missing person in Colorado.

Speaker 27 Abdul Malek Al-Khandari.

Speaker 31 Shada Gamey.

Speaker 31 Michael Cody Gilkison.

Speaker 24 Joshua Kane Glasser.

Speaker 31 Philip Gomez.

Speaker 31 Daniel Alexander Gomez-Vasquez.

Speaker 34 Dolores Susan Regonza.

Speaker 34 Terrence Redfern.

Speaker 28 Stephen Reddy.

Speaker 34 Crystal Ann Reisner.

Speaker 17 It was powerful.

Speaker 17 Extremely emotional.

Speaker 17 And then her name.

Speaker 17 Crystal Reisinger.

Speaker 17 Hearing it out loud in front of dozens of other families, desperate for answers, with law enforcement standing next to me.

Speaker 17 Everything about this just felt different.

Speaker 17 Like a line had been finally drawn.

Speaker 17 There's no more waiting. No more hoping someone will finally say something.

Speaker 17 The time is now.

Speaker 17 And trust me when I say, we're closing in.

Speaker 24 Joe Cale is a prior agent who worked in the CBI

Speaker 24 and had a relationship with Payne during, because Joe was the original investigator on this case. Yes.
One of them.

Speaker 5 When you first called me, like,

Speaker 33 you had listened to that, right?

Speaker 15 I had listened to it. But Joe had vouched for me.

Speaker 15 Joe,

Speaker 5 the only reason I talked to you is because of Joe cadence when i was telling them i was like the only reason like he really talked to me because i never burned joe nope

Speaker 33 not a lot of cops like to play with journalists you know especially true crime podcasters you know that's probably your worst nightmare just for sure at first glance right but

Speaker 5 he's one of the first you know i guess law enforcement agents that

Speaker 17 gave a shit

Speaker 33 about us.

Speaker 15 We were doing the story either way and like we can he knew some of your information was valid yeah and like

Speaker 15 i'm not really asking you for anything but we can have an open channel and i'm not gonna burn you i'll prove it yeah you know yeah and he

Speaker 24 what i thought was a cooler thing was you guys could talk to people that we can't talk to yeah or they talk to you they vice versa yes and that you shared that information with us certainly is has been invaluable so for us i mean we're planning on doing like a recap and i mean one so much has happened since 2018.

Speaker 13 Oh, for sure.

Speaker 26 Even just like the suspect's dying.

Speaker 20 And, you know. Jerry Brian's dead.

Speaker 13 Catfish. Yeah.

Speaker 25 So like really the story is mostly like a recap of everything before anything that's happening with you right now.

Speaker 13 Sure.

Speaker 20 But I would be curious to know

Speaker 8 what would be smart for me to say or

Speaker 13 highlight or point at.

Speaker 24 Just like last time.

Speaker 24 It's a really closed off community.

Speaker 18 Yeah.

Speaker 24 And they need to know that they can trust the cops. And we talked about this last time.

Speaker 19 The drugs will be a thing that they're scared of.

Speaker 24 They care less about the drugs.

Speaker 15 How do they believe?

Speaker 24 They just look at the unit that I work in, homicide unit.

Speaker 15 Right.

Speaker 24 Not a drug guy. Yeah.
Right.

Speaker 24 Is it hard to get that across to them? For sure.

Speaker 24 But I think a lot of them, there is people down there that know

Speaker 24 maybe not know my name in particular, but they know CBI. And CBI is usually not down there for drugs.
they're down there for major homicide cases missing persons things like that so

Speaker 24 that the the public's helping this is going to be cute yeah you know and and these guys are dead if it's these two guys or third guy or fifth guy or all five of them ten of them how many ever it is

Speaker 24 a lot of them are dead

Speaker 24 and if somebody knows something

Speaker 24 I don't have to be scared of these guys anymore. I know everybody was terrified of that group of people, and I don't blame them.

Speaker 15 We're dukes. Person, we were scared to one point of the idea of like who this person was and what he was capable of.

Speaker 24 Yeah, he's created this persona and the community knows this person and he's gone. Yeah.
Gone. And I think you know dispelling some of the fear would be really helpful from my perspective.

Speaker 24 You know, again, we talked about the reward last time, reminding people that, hey, there's money out here for you to come forward that leads to her remains or the resolution of this case.

Speaker 24 Because money always talks. We're talking a lot of money and that could change somebody's life

Speaker 24 with the right piece of information.

Speaker 17 If you were somebody who is tangenti involved, who knows information that could potentially solve this case, right?

Speaker 20 I'm just guessing here, but they might have the fear that they would go down for this murder, even if they didn't do it.

Speaker 15 They'd

Speaker 10 almost want to know that like

Speaker 10 they'd have immunity from that like in some way.

Speaker 13 Like I know that's like a thing that you can't probably promise anybody.

Speaker 24 Yeah, there's legal ways for us to, if they cooperate, they don't get charged, right? There's legal ways. Many a time I've sat down with people and they've shared information in exchange for

Speaker 24 leniency or even maybe

Speaker 24 not getting charged. So I don't know how you would say that to the general public.

Speaker 19 Well, I mean, I think you just said it in a way that was perfect.

Speaker 10 Like, yeah, like, this is something that

Speaker 15 it does happen.

Speaker 10 And if you are the first person to talk, then that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 I don't even think it has to be like her.

Speaker 24 I'd listen to 10 people. If they all had something to offer that led me to her or led to her remains and led to her reservation.

Speaker 24 Really, I'm interested, like I said before, let's find her first, and then we'll decide what happened.

Speaker 24 And that's always the way I want to go because then I can give that piece. We get rid of the biggest problem here, which is not knowing where she is.

Speaker 24 And, you know, a no body case is super hard so super hard so if we get there then we move forward so in these instances if there's I and I think there's probably multiple people that know in this instance absolutely everybody down there is connected in in the drug world in the in the criminal world they don't know each other down there so and stories travel whether the stories that they know are exactly accurate, that's for me to decide later.

Speaker 24 Build the facts and build the

Speaker 15 expertise.

Speaker 15 Exactly.

Speaker 24 So any bit of information is helpful. But yeah, I mean, there is legal ways to do that.

Speaker 24 Where if somebody came forward and said, hey, I want to talk, but I'm scared I'm going to get charged,

Speaker 24 we'd work with them in some regard.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 10 So I want that message to get like to get out there, but also want the message that they shouldn't be compelled to talk at this point.

Speaker 10 We're like, sure, on the opposite side of that, if you keep running down the trails that you're on and you connect these dots, I would imagine that same leniency won't be there.

Speaker 10 The time has expired or is expiring.

Speaker 19 We're still working. Exactly.
You've continued, we've continued.

Speaker 24 We're going to continue to work on this thing until we resolve it.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 24 And the bad guys should know that. So, yeah, I mean, you guys, like I said, last time, that's one of the reasons why I agreed to talk because I think you can be super helpful on this case.

Speaker 24 Everybody knows Ian Lindsay and Upp and Vanished and Preston.

Speaker 15 And the Balloon, they all know it.

Speaker 24 Every time I go down there, oh, that's the optimal kids. Everybody says it.

Speaker 24 So that leverage is helpful to me.

Speaker 24 These people, this dude's lazy. Yes.
And he

Speaker 24 would have to, well, first of all, he'd probably employ somebody to help.

Speaker 24 Yes.

Speaker 24 And I just don't think these guys are smart enough to do what would take to do that.

Speaker 15 Absolutely not.

Speaker 24 And they may be connected with somebody who knows more than them. And money and drugs talk.
Like, since we've talked, there's quite a few things that have happened.

Speaker 24 It's certainly moving

Speaker 24 like nothing to jump for joy about.

Speaker 24 But it is, there is more than

Speaker 24 there's some things that have occurred that investigatively give me places to move. So it's not stable.

Speaker 10 I love that. Yeah.

Speaker 24 I've followed some leads to some places to say that.

Speaker 15 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 24 And we searched since last time we met,

Speaker 24 we've searched some places. I'm willing to share that with you.

Speaker 13 Anything good, bad, or neutral?

Speaker 24 Just neutral right now, but it certainly is leading to other things. Okay.
Okay, so it's still...

Speaker 13 In like an evidentiary standpoint or reactionary from the individual?

Speaker 24 More of an individual, like investigatively, leading to people that hopefully will be willing to discuss this case.

Speaker 11 Any names that, I don't have to put them out, that like I, of people that I talk to in the podcast, that I can see.

Speaker 24 There's some people, but there's other people that you would, you've never heard of.

Speaker 19 Is

Speaker 8 one of them?

Speaker 24 I know that name okay

Speaker 10 he lived with catfish and he was in jail at that time or something and i tried to talk to while he was in jail okay like does that sound accurate that he would have been he would have been in jail

Speaker 15 i remember like trying to add him in some list of something on like a here we go yeah securus app yeah sent you who's this guy did message him maybe who's do you know who that is is that a real person or is that a bullshit name

Speaker 15 just

Speaker 6 sounds like an inmate of sumner county florida says he has information for you.

Speaker 24 Would you mind sharing that with me?

Speaker 13 No, I'll forward this to you right now.

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Speaker 17 After all these years, the case is not just active. It's moving.
And now we have new primary persons of interest.

Speaker 17 People who may have direct knowledge or involvement. People who have never been named publicly.
People who are still out there.

Speaker 17 And that's why we're doing this. Because someone listening right now knows exactly who I'm talking about.
And they know exactly what happened.

Speaker 17 And several of these people have talked to me. People like Robert Pierce and Brian Jones.
People like Sean Tim and people like Rice.

Speaker 22 Rice, Rice came to my name.

Speaker 22 He lives right down the street from Cat.

Speaker 22 I'm sure you've heard.

Speaker 22 Rice. I'm pretty sure it was Rice.

Speaker 17 I didn't know anything about this Rice person at first. And to be honest, I'd never even heard his name.
All I knew was that he was locked up in Florida and that he wasn't some outsider looking in.

Speaker 17 He was connected. I had no idea what he was about to tell me.
No idea if he was even telling the truth. But I knew one thing.
This was a conversation I needed to have.

Speaker 17 So I got on an app called Securus, where you can message inmates in prison. I found his contact, an inmate number, then I messaged him.

Speaker 17 I said, hey, your girlfriend sent me an email this morning and said you may have information regarding Crystal.

Speaker 1 I can get you the answers you want from his mouth. I am the one that can make him talk.

Speaker 1 He doesn't fear anything, but he fears me.

Speaker 1 I can make him talk and talk about what you want to know.

Speaker 1 I am trying to get a bond hearing next week and hoping to post bond.

Speaker 1 Actual court date is August 16th. I'm trying to get out before that.

Speaker 1 And as to why,

Speaker 1 I know you put in a lot of work. and had some dead ends.

Speaker 1 And sometimes help can come from someone or some place you least expect. What I am thinking is hard to explain.
To sum it up, karma.

Speaker 1 He has done too much wrong, and he tried to harm someone I love. And I'm trying to change my ways, or he would be gone my way.
They call me ghost for a reason.

Speaker 1 But my wife has asked me not to be that person anymore.

Speaker 1 I love her, and I will do my best to make her happy.

Speaker 1 There's probably more shit than you want to hear, but there it is.

Speaker 1 And I would love to see his face when he knows it's over, and his mom and dad can't buy his way out.

Speaker 1 And I give you my word: when I get out of here, I will get you the answers you want.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 17 Rice gave me details I couldn't ignore.

Speaker 15 But were they real?

Speaker 17 Or was he just playing a game?

Speaker 17 That question sent me down a path that would take years to unravel.

Speaker 17 And for a while,

Speaker 17 it felt like a complete dead end.

Speaker 17 Today, we're making it official. Colorado Bureau of Investigation has launched a brand new tip line created specifically for this case, for Crystal.

Speaker 17 This is no longer just an investigation, a cold case, it's action, it's real.

Speaker 17 And if you're listening to this right now and you know something, this is your last chance to come forward before the walls inevitably close in anyway.

Speaker 17 The official tip line for Crystal Reisinger's case for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation is 720-741-7410.

Speaker 17 Again, that's 720-741-7410.

Speaker 17 This is the official tip line from the CBI. If you have real information, I'm pleading that you come forward.

Speaker 17 Don't have any regrets. Everything you say will go straight to the investigators.
Not to me. Not to the podcast.
To the people who can actually make the arrest.

Speaker 17 For too many years in this case, people have stayed quiet, but now, silence is no longer an option. Because this case is closing in, and when it does, you don't want to be on the wrong side of it.

Speaker 17 We want and we need the community's help here. Let's finish this and finally bring justice to Crystal Reisinger.

Speaker 17 Stay tuned next Friday for brand new updates from season 3, the disappearance of Ashley Loring Heavy Runner from Browning, Montana.

Speaker 17 And as you can see, we're now one week closer, circling back to season 4 in the midnight sun.

Speaker 17 I appreciate all your patience, and I know as a listener, it can be frustrating as a case is unfolding in real time. But all I ask is to give us the benefit of the doubt here.

Speaker 17 Know that we're coming back full swing, and every minute you've waited is a minute we've spent getting that much closer to solving these cases.

Speaker 17 If you want to check out some additional content and some behind-the-scene videos, go check out my Instagram at Payne Lindsay. Thank you for listening and for all your support.

Speaker 17 I will see you next Friday.

Speaker 2 Up and Vanished in the Midnight Sun is a production of Tenderfoot TV in association with Odyssey. Your host is Payne Lindsey.

Speaker 2 The show is written by Payne Lindsay with additional assistance from Mike Rooney. Executive producers are Donald Albright and Payne Lindsey.

Speaker 2 Lead producer is Mike Rooney along with producers Dylan Harrington and Cooper Skinner. Editing by Mike Rooney and Cooper Skinner with additional editing by Dylan Harrington.

Speaker 2 Supervising producer is Tracy Kaplan. Additional production by Victoria McKenzie, Alice Kanik Glenn, and Eric Quintana.
Artwork by Rob Sheridan. Original music by Makeup and Vanity Set.

Speaker 2 Mixed and Mastered by Cooper Skinner. Thank you to Oren Rosenbaum and the team at UTA, Beck Media and Marketing, and the Nord Group.

Speaker 2 Special thanks to all of the families and community members that spoke to the team. Additional information and resources can be found in our show notes.

Speaker 2 For more podcasts like Up and Vanished, search Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast app or visit us at tenderfoot.tv. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 36 Every story has layers, and sometimes the truth hides in plain sight. I'm Josh Dean, host of Chameleon, the podcast about people who transform, deceive, and survive.

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