The Kristal Reisinger Case - Episode 1 (Revisited)

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I'm on the top of a mountain.

It's dark. Really dark, actually.

And I can barely make out the faces of people talking. Roy.
Nice to meet you. You look familiar.
Do I? You been here before? I have. Okay, I've been here a long time.
Okay. Good.
Yeah, welcome. Where are you from? Atlanta.
Oh. You came out just for the string circle, right? Ah, yeah, pretty much.
I have an instrument. It's made out of steel with that round thing on there.
It's called the tongue drum. The guy here makes it, uh, there are ends of propane tanks.
And he welds them together and there's little cut slits that do. This night is still vivid in my mind.
The kind of dark where the edges of the world disappear. The kind of dark where you question everything.
I was here standing in the middle of a drum circle recording a podcast. But what if I wasn't? What if I was actually part of something bigger? Something unknown?

Because standing in that moment, surrounded by strangers,

I felt like I was on the edge of something.

Something unsettling.

If you stepped too far away from the fire,

you'd vanish into the black.

It was my first real investigative trip with a full team.

Mike, Meredith, Rob, and my brother Mason were all there.

I remember the way they looked at me.

Like, what the hell is this?

What has he gotten me into?

And honestly, I wasn't sure either.

But I leaned into it.

I walked up to a random guy playing a tin drum

and just held my microphone next to him, and he kept playing.

That was it. We were in.
but my mind wasn't on the music it was scanning the crowd looking at every face and even though i was trying to act chill i had twisting knots in my stomach with only one question rattling around in my brain was the person responsible for crystal risinger's disappearance standing right here with us From Tenderfoot TV in Atlanta, this is Up and Vanished. I'm your host, Payne Lindsey.
Long before this land was called America,

Native people danced in a circle around the drum for celebration, fellowship, renewal, and healing.

When I started Up and Vanished, I was chasing the truth. Now I find myself chasing something else, too.
Understanding. The passage of time changes how you see things.
How you see people. And how you see yourself.
Back then, just a guy with a microphone searching for answers, and now I understand that some questions never really go away. They haunt the places where they were left behind.
My journey into investigating the disappearance of Crystal Ann Reisinger, who went missing in July of 2016, began in Hollywood, California, brightly lit hotel conference room with what seemed like the biggest table on earth. Sitting across from me was Crystal's

ex-boyfriend Eli and their five-year-old daughter Akasha. The setting was already strange and uncomfortable for everyone, but I was ready to dive in once again, just like I had done in Tara Rinstead's case.

My name is

Elijah Gana. I'm

ex-boyfriend of Crystal,

father of our daughter. done in Tara Grinstead's case.
My name is Elijah Gana.

I'm an ex-boyfriend

of Crystal, father of our daughter.

And what's your name,

Akasha? Say it right here.

Right here near the mic.

Say your name.

My name is Akasha.

How old are you, Akasha?

Five.

Five?

You're pretty big.

I had a good buddy of mine.

We've been friends for years.

He had a friend that he wanted to introduce me to.

It was like a friend of a friend introduction kind of a thing.

And when we met, it was kind of like fireworks immediately.

It was one of those things where we just kind of fell in love really fast. The relationship moved really fast.
It seemed like it was just fast forward to instant relationship kind of a thing. And we were moved in together and it was just, yeah, just an awesome, wonderful experience.
My first impression was like, where were you my whole life? She was very sweet, very intelligent, very deep thinker, covered in tattoos, piercings, different looking, kind of a wild looking person. My type of girl.
Eli had met Crystal in Denver and they fell in love almost instantly. At first, things were great.
They moved in together. Crystal gave birth to their daughter, Akasha.
But after a few years, Crystal expressed to Eli that she was ready for a big change in her life. She really wanted to get out of the city.
She was always on a spiritual journey. She was always on a quest, always trying to go deeper and deeper into things.
According to Eli, Crystal was always on some sort of spiritual quest, and she found herself drawn to a tiny town in South Central Colorado called Crestone. She went to Crestone, Colorado, which is known to be a big spiritual gathering place.
She believed Crestone was just energetically just a great place to channel and be, and the energies there were amplified, the Earth's natural energies. She was very sensitive to a lot of things.
And so she was really sensitive to like the Earth, the rocks, plants, people, animals. It didn't matter.
It was just real sensitive to energies and stuff. So she felt like that was a great place to align her energies with the Earth's energies.
It's just such a tiny, isolated place. It's way out in the mountains.
Even though Crystal had moved nearly four hours away from Denver, she kept in touch with Eli and her daughter Akasha daily. I mean, she did not miss more than a day at the most without keeping in touch.
Crystal was enjoying Crestone. She was happy there, and Eli supported this.
It had always been in Crystal's nature to want to know more about the world around her, to find her purpose. And for the first time, she seemed to have found her place.
Crystal had this keen sense of the world's energy around her, and was always seeking a higher level of understanding. But that wasn't the only unique thing about her.
Well, I gotta include this. So Crystal was pretty psychic.
She was kind of a clairvoyant. She would know things or had premonitions of things and it would always happen.
One time she called me up and

she had a really bad premonition. Something bad was going to happen to both me and her.

It was going to be something violent and something that we may not survive. She couldn't tell

Thank you. was going to happen to both me and her.
It was going to be something violent and something that we may not survive. She couldn't tell me exactly what it was going to be, but it was going to happen soon, within a few days.
It was something that was unavoidable. It was something that couldn't be changed, is what she said.
I knew not to take it lightly coming from her. Two days later, I was on my way home from work.
And I have no memory of the events, but I just remember waking up in the hospital. They were working on my face.
I had been stabbed in the face, beaten, brutally beaten. All the bones in my face were pretty much broken, blown out, orbital sockets and everything.
He'd been attacked by a stranger and nearly beaten to death. But from there, things took an even darker turn.
So she came down and took care of me immediately from Crestone until I could take care of myself. And then two days after she got back to Crestone, she disappeared.
Have you seen her since then? No. That was the last I've seen of her.

After a couple of days of not hearing from her

and I was calling her, no reply,

I definitely had a bad feeling.

I got a hold of the police

and they said that someone had already filed

a missing persons report and it was their landlord.

So I got a hold of her landlord, and immediately things didn't sound good.

She said it wasn't like her not to come home. Nobody knew where she was.
The police were trying to steer it one way, like she killed herself, but I knew there was no way. me and her stepdad went out, scoured the whole town.
We went all around the vicinity in the woods. We were looking for her, hiking all around.
Couldn't find her. We questioned, I think, every person in that area, like within that town.
I think we definitely, it's a tiny, tiny place. You can barely call it a town.
It's so small. But we definitely encountered everyone that lives there, questioned them, asked them if they've seen her, you know.
Crystal had vanished without a trace. Two years later, Eli still has no answers and has changed him as a person.
I'm just a hole. like something just so big and profound in my life is gone.
I'm so incomplete.

If it wasn't for our daughter, she has just been the healer. Just like Crystal said this whole time.

She's kept me strong. She's healing me.
I just feel like I can't imagine where I would be without her.

At this time, we'd like to ask our flight attendants to please take the seats for length. Next I was off to Denver, Colorado to meet with Rodney the father figure in Crystal's life and the family that raised her Good to see you Thank you for having us over Hey, good This is my wife Debbie Hi Debbie, it's Debbie Good to meet you Nice to meet you We met Rodney at his house.
Are you hungry? Did you have something to eat? With me was one of our producers, Meredith. And Rodney introduced us to his wife, Debbie.
You can generally tell a lot of people by their kids. That's what I've found.
Have you met Kasha? Unbelievable little girl.

And she's indicative of Crystal.

She's got that sparkly, inquisitive, that just love you to death.

That is Crystal.

I feel like I failed her.

We lost a son years back to suicide. and I never wanted to feel that again.
And this is bringing all that back. What I should have said or what I should have done or, you know, lay awake at nights thinking about what I should have done or should have said or.
You really start dissecting just about every two minutes of the past 15 years and it's amazing the things i remember and the things i don't remember

she used to be in here.

She had this hole downstairs to herself for a couple of years. The bed was right here.
There was a nightstand over here. And mascara all over the floor.
It just...

It really hurts.

I can't explain it any better than that.

You know, I just...

You know, when I'm talking about the mascara on the floor

and all that stuff,

you start thinking back in the past

and you start thinking about the really stupid crap

Thank you. And when I'm talking about the mascara on the floor and all that stuff, you start thinking back in the past.
And you start thinking about the really stupid crap that you get upset about. That in hindsight is really what it is, just crap.
It's part of living and everything else. I failed to protect.
I failed to be able to help. I want people to keep saying, you know, you shouldn't live in the past and everything else, but, you know.
It warms my heart that you're even considering this. I hope we can find Crystal before I die.

Crystal was just a wonderful lost soul, so to speak.

But she kept going forward.

Thank you. She lived with us for a number of years.
When she was 15 and a half, she met our son. I asked them about Crystal's upbringing and how he became the father figure in her life.
She's from Arizona, and she was a ward of the court.

They sent her up here to live with an aunt.

Evidently, the aunt was off the wall, so she didn't really have a place to stay.

So there started our saga.

We finished her basement, and we let her stay in a room down there.

And then over the years, we've helped her get into college and moved her.

And it was just like having another child.

She had an incredible ability to keep going.

She really, really wanted to succeed at something.

And some, excuse my friend, some fucking piece of shit took that away from her.

Since Crystal went missing, Rodney's been doing some investigating of his own.

There is a lot of inconsistencies in the actual last time that she was seen.

For some reason, the 13th is the one that sticks with me, July 13th of 2016. When she was first reported missing, Rodney drove down to the town of Crestone and met with her police department.
They were telling me at that point she was a wild partier and having these noisy parties in her apartment. If she was having such wild parties, the apartment would reflect that.
And it did not in any way, shape or form reflect that. Crystal lived in a small apartment by herself in the center of town.
Rodney canvassed the area himself, along with the police. The day or so before she disappeared, she had bought all her normal health foods, veggie burgers, her almond milk, her organic vegetables.
They have a record of her using her food stamp card. As far as when she bought the stuff, I think it was on the 12th or the 11th of July, just a couple days before she went missing.
She stuck to making

sure she had contact with Kasha. You know, if that's an indication of a person that's completely

off the rails and going south, nah, I don't buy it. That's a crock of shit that the police and

a few people in that town are spreading around.

Rodney took her in, let her live in the basement in the house,

made sure she got to school, gave her money for clothes and fed her.

This is Chris Halsney.

He's an investigative reporter from Fox News in Denver.

He's the only TV reporter to ever cover Crystal's story. He just saw a need.
He saw this poor girl and no way to survive without just living on the street. And he took her in.
What a kind-hearted guy. This is the file of different things that we got out of her apartment.
I guess you could go through it and see if there's anything that's even of interest to you. When she went missing, he was the first one to get in his truck and drive five hours and start handing out these flyers because he had always taken care of her.
This is from Cresto. Yes, this was in her apartment.
While at Rodney's house in Denver, he gave our producer Meredith and I a box of Crystal's belongings from her apartment in Cresto. It was full of mostly pictures, dating back to when she was a young child.
There were also tons of documents, bills and receipts, all kinds of things. Rodney encouraged us to go through it ourselves, to see if there was anything helpful.
And there are things in here that we didn't know about, you know, classes she had taken. It's a little bit of a glimpse into her life.
She always tried to move forward and always was able to survive. And one of the things that always struck me was that she just wanted to be a good person.
After two years of searching for Crystal and still no answers, Rodney wants as many people as possible to hear her story. I don't know if this is a tipping point, but there comes a point where it's like, man, as you guys start making your presence known, in Fox News, Chris said that he's going to push more.
Crystal and Reisinger dropped off the face of the earth last July.

Yes, she was living in Crestone, a town of less than a thousand people in south-central Colorado, not far from the Great Sand Dunes National Park. Investigative reporter Chris Halsney traced Reisinger's final days to discover it is unlikely she simply walked away.
Only three by three blocks long, Crestone at first glance is just another sleepy, laid-back hippie town. The surrounding mountains and sand dunes hold a raw, peaceful beauty.
But the nearby hills may also be hiding some very dark secrets. Considered sacred ground by the Navajo, this place has lately been attracting truth seekers of a worldwide New Age religious movement.
Crystal Reisinger was one of those drawn to Crestone's soul. I've long been reporting cold case crimes.
We'd been running a series of reports called Death on a Train. This friend of Crystal's had seen that series of reports, and she called Teary and said, I saw what you could do for this other woman.
Can you help Crystal? The tiny town of Crestone is full of big rumors about what happened to Crystal, so the Fox 31 problem solvers came here to figure out fact from fiction. One thing most people agree on is that this is the last place she was seen.
It's called a drum circle. She was seen at what they call a drum circle.
It's part party, part religious experience.

There's a full moon.

Hundreds of people from the area around Crestone on the full moon

go out of town to this park, and they start this huge bonfire.

And they sing, and they dance, and they do drugs, and they drink.

It means something different to a lot of different people. Native Americans would be offended that it became a party, but that's just what it's morphed into in Crestone.
So watch County Sheriff's deputies say they believe someone who went to the drum circle full moon ceremony knows exactly what happened later that night. We couldn't find anything substantial that she was seen after the drum circle.
I asked Crystal's former boyfriend Eli about drum circles too. He'd been to some.
It's just a party out in the woods. It just goes on all night.
They just play their drums pretty much all night,

and there's a lot of drinking and drug use going on.

Apparently there was this one guy that's seen her walking off alone into the forest.

Other people are putting her at the drum circle.

It's either walking towards the drum circle or walking just off into the woods. Chris Halsney had spent several days in Crestone, developing his news story on Crystal.
I asked him to describe the place. It's not much.
It's just a few blocks of a couple little hotel, little restaurant deli, couple little grocery stores, a liquor store. It's not much of a town.
The population of the place really is just outside of town.

This group had given away free land to all sorts of religious sects

to set up houses and housing, churches, temples, just outside of town.

There's a lot of little roads and electricity running out to these places,

but they're very private.

That's where most of the people are, is just out of town in these religious areas. It's quiet.
No one's going to bother you in Crestone. If you leave people alone, they'll leave you alone.
It's the tale of two worlds there. There's 143 people that are officially registered to live in Crestone, and their income is very low, poverty level low.
You get outside of town into the county, there are some really nice homes and high income. There's definitely two sets of people there.
Crystal's ex-boyfriend Eli had gone down to Crestone with Rodney to search for her,

but he didn't learn much at all.

Well, local people don't like to give up too much information if you're an outsider.

And they're just like, if you can imagine, just like a really super tight-knit community

where everyone knows each other for generations, and they don't like outsiders much,

even though there's a lot of outsiders coming in through the town that kind of resent them. They're distrustful.
She fit in there and she knew it. That's why she wasn't going to come back to Denver.
She fit in. And I don't think she wanted to leave there.
I think she just found her place. And I don't think any of her friends or family thinks you wanted to leave.
It's heartbreaking to see all the

life And I don't think any of her friends or family thinks she wanted to leave. It's heartbreaking to see all the life in her eyes at that young age.
Happy birthday, dear Akasha. Happy birthday to you.
Make a wish. Yeah.
Yeah. Ready? Ready life and when you sit down and just have a quiet moment with her, she knows exactly why you're asking the questions, and it's because she knows her mother's gone.
Whenever I see a missing poster, I think maybe there's still a chance. She was a little flaky if she found just the right guy and ran off and wanted to disappear, that she's in Mexico or Argentina or Costa Rica.
Maybe she's in a cult somewhere and she's just fallen off the face of the earth and doesn't want anybody to find her. At least she'd be alive.
At least someday maybe she could come back to the realization her daughter's here and there's people that love her and have been looking for her, for that little girl to have an answer. You paint such an interesting picture of this town, Crestone.
It's a tale of two worlds. Well, what we found is that it's really a peaceful, meditative place,

and thousands of New Age religious seekers from all over the world have come there.

But, you know, there's a real dark side there.

The drug culture is strong and a very thin police force.

Maybe it was a religious thing for her, but she was more Mother Earth. She was more trying to connect to this planet.
Because she'd done that before, for quite a while, I think, police and neighbors thought, she's going to turn back up. She's going to come back.
She just went on one of these journeys. I spent quite a bit of time in Denver, digging into Crystal's past and meeting some of her family.
But it was clear that if anyone knew what happened to her, they weren't here. They were in Crestone.
Before I made the trip there myself, I spoke to Crystal's father, Rodney, one more time. There's just something really, really strange about this whole deal.
You know, we've been down there from time to time. I call the sheriff.
I call a deputy, and very rarely does he get back to me. They're undermanned and underfunded, and I don't know.
I want to trust them, but boy, I tell you, things are starting to chip away here for one reason or another. I don't know if it's, you know, if it goes back to their undermanned, underfunded and overworked and, you know, and everything else, because there's only like six of them in that whole county.
So Crestone alone, I think, keeps them busy. Boy, it's easy to get lost up in all this.
You know, I find myself going different directions all the time. And I met with Amy, Rodney's daughter, and Crystal's sister.
So are you spiritual at all? Spiritual, sure. But you're not, like, meditating.

Yeah, so you'll definitely be walking in as a total weirdo.

Like, what is it?

Amy was with her husband, Alex, also a good friend of Crystal's.

I asked her husband Alex about my safety in Crestone, since he'd been there several times himself.

Your safety?

Yeah, carry something. I don't know.

You know?

There's still hope.

I think it takes one brave soul who lives in Crestone,

who's on the fringe of something a little seedy,

to have the courage and the heart to step forward and let the authorities know what they know. It is old Navajo country, and they have left it pristine and rough and unowned for a reason, just to leave its beauty.
But at the same time, you don't just stumble across things out there.

You stay on the trail.

The minute you drive into town

and buy a soda at the deli,

just about everybody knows you're there.

And when you ask the first question about Crystal,

10 more people know you're there.

In another hour, 100 people know you're there.

I got the feeling people didn't like me there asking questions. Starting route to Creston.
Continue on I-70 West. Now, years later, I look back at that moment and realize I wasn't just walking into a town.
I was stepping into a reality I hadn't fully grasped yet. The weight of a disappearance that transpired in a world so far removed from mine.
I was searching for Crystal, but by the time I had left, I realized I was searching for something else too. An understanding of the town, the people, and the fine line between hope and truth.
This was all happening less than a year from Tara Grinstead's case. It was time for me to either buckle down and dive in deeper, or just not do this.
But I jumped in fully, was just how bizarre Crestone was. The strange, almost surreal mix of people I met.
These moments that felt almost otherworldly, and the confrontations with people I would

confidently later call evil. If you start using him's words as credibility in any of your podcasts,

your own self will all fade

away quicker than we can take

this stage down.

Do what you want. Just the warnings there.

Do what you want, though, man.

Paying lenses to this, paying lenses to that,

paying lenses to this, paying lenses to that.

I had every available

resource to leave, okay?

I don't run. You know why? Because if I ever do, that's called the head start.
Some say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. That's right, girl.
Give me a call. I saw someone use your podcast, Lindsay.
It's my new dating app. Baby, baby, it's me.
It's me, darling. You know I wouldn't hurt nobody.
It's me. Anyways, what was I saying? Oh, yeah, right.
828-202. As long as you're 17 to 21, you're good.
I'm not that much of a creep. But I'm 23 in the so listen here girls you tired of listening to this man's podcast tune in at channel .05 percenter I'm not a nomad I just know I'm mad maybe your female podcasters will take sympathy on that and find that sexy as well.
The point is this. It's a three or four or five year missing persons case with this much involvement and interest.
I can only imagine how fucking pissed the Department of Justice is that they likely gonna fucking do it themselves and fucking throw her in someone's yard. I'm glad I'm not there and I don't have a yard here.

It seems like some shit you should keep quiet, sir.

Like, maybe some, like, um...

No, wait a second.

Did I make any sense?

Any sense, Amelia teacher?

The bitch probably in WITSEC.

Why else I got reports of feds telling people to shut the fuck up about it why else would feds be telling people to stay quiet about that little theory about her being in wit sec because i think she probably ran off on her so i don't know what the fuck happened that ain't for me to think about i'm not allowed think about that kind of stuff. Because I'm one of them dudes that's called smart and clever and shit.

I just thought I was drunk.

But the room's really been spinning.

Am I on a fucking ride?

What is this shit, dude?

You're going to have to pay me to get off of it.

No.

Now I'm off of it.

You're going to have to pay me.

Better idea.

Let's earn off of this.

Since my main focus isn't money.

It's not in clearing my name. that's quite like Cresto.
Over the years, this case has stayed with me in ways I never expected. Of all the cases I've ever investigated, none have continued to unfold post-season, quite like this one.

The story didn't stop when the season ended.

It kept going, pulling me back into its orbit over and over again.

Since 2018, I've traveled to Colorado at least 10 times or more, just for Crystal's case. And in that time, I've had conversations that still haunt me.
Late night phone calls with a man named Catfish, whose words lingered long after I hung up. Meetings with people who held pieces to the puzzle, but were too afraid to speak about it.
And through it all, I've stayed in contact with law enforcement. Something very special in this case.
I've met with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation on record multiple times over the span of three years, and as recently as last week. Crystal's disappearance is not a cold case.
It's actually far from it. This is not forgotten.
Crystal is not forgotten. And my own quest for the truth has been on my mind since 2018.
And I want you to know that justice is closer than it's ever been before. So here's what's next.
This Friday, we're going to refresh you on everything that happened in Up and Vantage Season 2. The people, the timeline, the details.
There's a lot you need to know and remember. We'll lay it all out for you in a clean way so that we can pick up exactly where we left off.
Because what happens next, you won't want to miss it. I'm excited to finally share with you what we've learned.
And I think for the first time, I can say with confidence, we are closer to the truth than ever before. So stay tuned this Friday as we continue Crystal's story.
Up and Vanished is an investigative podcast told weekly produced for Tenderfoot TV by Payne Lindsay, Mike Rooney, and me, Meredith Stedman, with new episodes every Monday. Executive producers Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright.
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