WWDTM: Niki Russ Federman and Josh Russ Tupper

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We've got a great show for you today.

Speaker 1 But first, Thanksgiving is coming up on Thursday, and we want to take this opportunity to remind you, you have just a few days left to come up with a single thing to be thankful for this year.

Speaker 1 How about K-pop demon hunters? That was pretty good, right? Go think of something.

Speaker 1 One thing you could be thankful for every year is bagels and locks, which is why we'll be talking to the owners of Russ and Daughters, a legendary Jewish food shop in New York's Lower East Side.

Speaker 1 But first, we want to serve you up some tidbits from the news. Give us a call at 1888-WAIT WAIT.
That's 1-888-924-8924. Let's welcome our first listener contestant.
How are you on?

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Speaker 4 Hi, this is Tracy Kinchelow from Louisville, Kentucky.

Speaker 1 Oh, I love Louisville. What do you do there?

Speaker 4 I'm a middle school teacher.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 You are the bravest of the brave to voluntarily enter a middle school.

Speaker 5 What grade do you teach, Tracy? 6-7.

Speaker 2 Which one? Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 4 Today was the 67th day of school.

Speaker 2 Oh, no. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 You're a saint.

Speaker 1 Well, welcome to our show, Tracy. Let me introduce you to our panel this week.
First up, her comedy album, Yell a Joy, is available on Blonde Medicine and your favorite streaming platform.

Speaker 1 It's Joyelle Nicole Johnson.

Speaker 2 Hi, Tracy.

Speaker 2 Hi, Joyelle.

Speaker 1 Next, a contributor to CBS Sunday Morning and host of the Audible Original Envy Enlightened. It's Faith Saley.

Speaker 2 Hi, Tracy.

Speaker 5 I have two middle schoolers, so thank you for your service.

Speaker 1 And we are delighted to welcome back to our show comedian and author of Is It Hutton Here or Am I Suffering for All Eternity for the Sins I Committed on Earth?

Speaker 1 It's Zach Zimmerman.

Speaker 6 Hi, Tracy.

Speaker 6 I'm not allowed around middle schools anymore.

Speaker 1 Well, Tracy, welcome to the show. You're going to play Who's Bill this time? Bill Curtis is going to read you three quotations from this week's news.

Speaker 1 If you can correctly identify or explain just two of them, them, you'll win our prize, any voice from our show you might choose for your voicemail. Are you ready to go?

Speaker 4 I think so.

Speaker 1 Okay, your first quote is from a 40-year-old NBA superstar right after making sports history this week.

Speaker 3 That just made my back hurt.

Speaker 1 So what Los Angeles Laker has now played in more NBA seasons than anyone else ever?

Speaker 7 I would love to be an NBA fan, but the season is entirely too long.

Speaker 2 Well, not so much.

Speaker 7 Oh, was it LeBron James?

Speaker 2 It was LeBron James. Yes.

Speaker 1 On Tuesday night, LeBron James broke an NBA record when he started his 23rd season in the league. I know you were worried.
I was going to say on Tuesday night, LeBron James broke both of his hips.

Speaker 1 But this is how long he has been playing. When LeBron was a rookie, many of his current opponents...
were not yet born.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. It's absolutely true.
He's going to play a team this week that has seven people on it that were not born in his rookie season.

Speaker 1 It must be so frustrating for LeBron when those younger players like don't understand his Seinfeld-based trash talk references. Like when he goes up to Block a Dunk and shouts, no soup for you.

Speaker 9 That's funny because LeBron is 40 and as a 44 year old I would just like to say he should probably quit soon because he is about to go through perimenopause. perimenopause.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 5 Let's just slap some estrogen patches on him and give him another five years.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 6 I hope he stays in the game for as long as possible because as not a sports fan as well, Tracy, he's one of the ones I know.

Speaker 10 So the longer he sticks around, I can stay relevant. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's funny because he's old, but do you know he has like a handshake for every person he has ever met?

Speaker 1 Like a different handshake?

Speaker 9 Yes, and they're elaborate. How come?

Speaker 1 He must have met a lot of people. He's 40 years years old.

Speaker 9 Yeah, they have a compilation of this on the internet: of LeBron giving different handshakes, and the handshakes are like 20, 30 seconds long.

Speaker 9 So I think he's staving off dementia with these handshakes.

Speaker 1 All right, here is your next quote.

Speaker 3 Fusilli freaks are scrambling.

Speaker 1 That was New York Magazine talking about news that tariffs may soon result in terrible shortages of fusilli and all-Italian what?

Speaker 1 Pasta. Yes, pasta.
According to the Wall Street Journal, quote, Italian pasta is poised to disappear. Which is also what I say when I sidle up to a big bowl of fettuccine alfredo.

Speaker 1 Apparently, this is because there's gonna be big tariffs that are gonna hit Italian pasta. We don't know why the US government is messing with the price of pasta.
That's traditionally the mafia's job.

Speaker 1 But the tariff is seen as a present to the American pasta industry, right? Which explains why at the big state dinner this week, the president was seated right next to Chef Boyardi.

Speaker 6 What's the Olive Garden going to do? Will the never-ending pasta bowl end?

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 they're good old American pasta. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I love that you thought Olive Garden got their pasta from Italy.

Speaker 2 They have a school.

Speaker 2 They have a school.

Speaker 10 They have a school in Italy?

Speaker 6 Everything I've ordered from there was made from scratch in Sicily by an Italian grandma, fourth generation, and

Speaker 6 frozen and put in a pouch and de-thawed and mixed with salt and sadness and served to me on every birthday graduation of my childhood in Roanoke, Virginia. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I fell asleep through that explanation.

Speaker 2 I still do that to you.

Speaker 1 All right, your last quote is someone commenting on some breakthrough news in the animal world this week.

Speaker 3 Looking forward to watching my grandchildren argue about dogs versus cats versus raccoons someday.

Speaker 1 That was in response to a scientific scientific study came out suggesting that raccoons are on their way to becoming what?

Speaker 4 Pets.

Speaker 2 Yes, pets!

Speaker 1 Researchers have found that raccoons seem to be evolving towards domestication just like dogs and cats did way back when. So this means you could soon have a raccoon in your inside trash cans.

Speaker 1 Scientific American reports raccoons that live near humans have evolved floppier ears, shorter snouts, and softer features. Basically, they're getting cuter.

Speaker 1 Scientists say this means they could soon live alongside us in our homes, while raccoons say,

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 here's the thing.

Speaker 1 Yes, faith.

Speaker 5 They don't say that. And I know that because I live in New York City and they are just brazen.

Speaker 5 They're no longer nocturnal. If I'm running around Central Park in the morning, they're up.
They're just looking at me from a trash can.

Speaker 2 They don't hiss. They don't even care.

Speaker 1 I'm just saying, are you sure they're raccoons and not very large rats wearing a mask?

Speaker 6 So you're saying if I eat trash, I'll become adorable?

Speaker 2 You could try.

Speaker 1 At your age, Zach, it's worth a try.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 I like this idea as a New Yorker because a lot of city people get their noses made cuter.

Speaker 1 Yes, that's true.

Speaker 5 Right?

Speaker 5 It's very urban.

Speaker 1 Although I don't think that's how it's happening. I don't don't think the raccoons are looking at each other and going, Phil, did you have work done?

Speaker 5 You know, there's a little Thanksgiving trivia aspect to this. Oh, please.
Calvin Coolidge

Speaker 5 in 1926 was given a raccoon from someone from Mississippi to have for Thanksgiving dinner. Really? And Calvin Coolidge said, no, it's really cute.
And he and his wife named it Rebecca.

Speaker 5 And Rebecca the raccoon was beloved by Americans for his whole presidency.

Speaker 10 There you go.

Speaker 6 That's why they say don't look a gift raccoon in the mouth.

Speaker 10 Mouse.

Speaker 2 What is it?

Speaker 10 They're always saying it. You look it up.

Speaker 2 Whatever.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Tracy do in her quiz?

Speaker 3 Well, she is middle school perfect.

Speaker 3 A score she can be proud of.

Speaker 1 Congratulations, Tracy. Thank you so much for playing, and thanks for the brave work you do.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Bye-bye.

Speaker 1 Right now, panel, it is time for you to answer some questions about this week's news.

Speaker 1 Joyelle, scientists announced this week that we now know it was about 20 million years ago that our most ancient ancestors first did what?

Speaker 9 20 million years ago.

Speaker 1 Anywhere from like 17 to 20 million years, they think.

Speaker 9 Set a fire.

Speaker 2 Set something of a fire.

Speaker 1 This was before fire. Oh, this is a...

Speaker 1 This is something that people tend.

Speaker 1 This is something that a lot of people like to do, say, next to a roaring fire.

Speaker 2 Ooh!

Speaker 9 have sexual relations.

Speaker 1 You're, I was about to say you're close, but I don't know if that's the right thing, but I'll give it to you. The answer is kissing.

Speaker 1 That's a sexual relation.

Speaker 2 It is.

Speaker 6 Then I gotta up my number.

Speaker 2 I gotta up my body count. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, according to a pair of suspiciously rumpled scientists coming out of their lap,

Speaker 1 the very first kiss happened somewhere between 17 and 21 million years ago with some of our distant primate ancestors. Can you imagine what everybody else who was watching that day thought?

Speaker 1 It was like, oh, come on, you two, invent a room.

Speaker 2 How the heck do they figure that out?

Speaker 9 It's like somebody's diary?

Speaker 1 Dear diary, Aug and I pressed our lips together.

Speaker 2 We know an English accessory. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, not all of them, but I figured a diarist would be pretty sophisticated, right?

Speaker 1 No, actually, it's a good question. They did it through

Speaker 1 genetics tracing.

Speaker 1 They looked at animals today that kiss, including ourselves and chimps and bonobos, and then they traced certain genetic lineages back through time to figure out when the first animal might have been that we all descended from that might have had that behavior.

Speaker 1 And they estimate, again, 17 to 21 million years ago.

Speaker 9 Those scientists know we need to cure cancer, right?

Speaker 2 Now,

Speaker 1 what if the cure is a kiss? What if the cure is a kiss? What if the cure is a kiss? You never know.

Speaker 1 And this is interesting because the way science works, to do this study, they had to define kissing, right? Since there are other behaviors where mouths might touch.

Speaker 1 And here's what they came up with: the scientific definition of kissing. Quote, non-aggressive mouth-to-mouth contact that does not involve food transfer, unquote.

Speaker 1 I just gotta say,

Speaker 1 not the way I do it.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

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Speaker 3 I'm Bill Curtis. We are playing this week with Faith Seely, Joyelle, Nicole Johnson, and Zach Zimmerman.
And here again is your host at the Studemaker Theater in Chicago, Illinois, Peter Sagal.

Speaker 2 Thank you, Bill.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much, everybody. Right now, it is time for the Wait, Wait, Don't Tell me bluff the listener game call 1888 Wait, Wait to play our game in the air.

Speaker 1 Hi, you are on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

Speaker 12 Hi, this is Kevin from San Mateo, California. Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 1 What do you do there?

Speaker 12 I'm a high school history teacher.

Speaker 2 Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 Yet another one.

Speaker 12 My class reacts the same way after every lesson.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 And so, what kind of history do you teach?

Speaker 12 I teach United States history.

Speaker 1 Oh, I didn't realize that was still allowed.

Speaker 2 It is. So good.

Speaker 12 There's some good days and bad days.

Speaker 1 You tread lightly, but yes.

Speaker 1 It's great to have you, Kevin. You are here to play the game in which you must try to tell truth from fiction.
Bill, what is Kevin's topic?

Speaker 3 A star is born.

Speaker 1 This week, a rising star signed with a big Hollywood agent.

Speaker 1 That's the huge honor and stepping stone where you give someone 10% of your money in exchange for them maybe at some point returning your phone call.

Speaker 1 Our panelists are going to tell you who just got representation. Pick Pick the one who's telling the truth.
You'll win the weight waiter of your choice and your voicemail. You ready to play?

Speaker 12 I'm ready. Thank you.

Speaker 1 All right then let's start then with Faith Saley.

Speaker 5 All hail the Spirtle. The Spirtle is a wooden Scottish kitchen tool dating from the 15th century used to stir porridge.
But it's so much more.

Speaker 5 Unlike the pathetic spatula, the spurtle can scrape, scoop, smash, spread, whisk, but mostly whack.

Speaker 5 And after a hearty bidding war, the Spirtle is the newest star to be signed by CAA.

Speaker 5 The utensil's modern resurgence began when Andrew Huberman mentioned the spirtle in hour five of his podcast last week.

Speaker 5 Not only is the tool multi-purpose, it also has a sexy backstory where Scottish wives use their Spirtles to spank their husbands. Ooh, sexy and a little bad?

Speaker 9 Watch out, Billy Bob Thornton.

Speaker 5 If you want to stuff your man stocking with one, you'd better get on a wait list.

Speaker 5 Alexander McQueen sold out of its $3,000 spurtles, and rumor has it that Timothy Chalamay is about to propose to Kylie, not with a ring, but with a golden spirtle.

Speaker 1 The spirtle is the hot new kitchen utensil of the moment, just signed with CAA.

Speaker 1 Your next talent agent tale comes from Zach Zimmerman.

Speaker 6 Move over, Mozzarella. Get out of here, Gouda.
There's a new Italian bombshell rolling onto the red carpet.

Speaker 6 According to the Hollywood Reporter, talent agency UTA has just signed Parmigiano-Reggiano, the next name on everyone's lips and accidentally sprinkled on everyone's laps.

Speaker 6 The Parmigiano-Reggiano Consortium, which regulates the production of the cheese and sounds sort of sinister, signed with the agency to explore product placement opportunities in TV and movies.

Speaker 6 Imagine if Glinda didn't travel by bubble, but was rolled around in a wheel of Parmigiano-Reggiano.

Speaker 6 Or if when Harry meets Sally at Katz's Deli, the I'll have what she's having was a sensible Caesar salad with Parmigiano-Reggiano.

Speaker 6 The cheese has been made the same way in only five regions of Italy for over a thousand years, which proves true that in Hollywood, to be an overnight success, it takes 1,000 years.

Speaker 1 Parmigiano-Reggiano.

Speaker 1 The delicious cheese that's signed with UTA.

Speaker 1 Your last star getting signed comes from Joyelle Nicole Johnson.

Speaker 9 Union High School in the diner capital of the world, my home state, New Jersey, has signed with WME. Why?

Speaker 9 It was one of the main filming locations of shock jock Howard Stern's raunchy feature private parts. Filmed in 1997, the movie's popularity has surged after being name-checked by Mr.

Speaker 9 Beast, the viral sensation who might be the actual devil.

Speaker 9 At one of his zany pranks, he locked two people in the private parts school for three months. It seemed like a random plank, but yet the video has 50 billion views.

Speaker 9 This stunt made his fans lock in and now the high school is a hotspot for niche travelers all over the world. WME saw potential as the perfect location for any town USA.

Speaker 9 Period pieces since in true New Jersey fashion, it hasn't changed its facade since the mid-20th century. If it ain't broke, sign it to an agency.

Speaker 9 And now the entire summer calendar is booked for filming everything from commercials to movies with the caveat that the money won't be used to fix the school at all.

Speaker 9 Sorry students. Hope you enjoy writing essays on the oldest computers in the world.

Speaker 2 All right.

Speaker 1 Some rising star got an agent this week. Was it from Faith Saley, the Spurtle, the Scottish porridge utensil, signing with CAA?

Speaker 1 From Zach Zimmerman, Parmigiano-Reggiano, that, you know, cheese signing with UTA, or the High School from Private Parts, which according to Joyelle signed with WME.

Speaker 1 Which of these was the thing that landed an agent in Hollywood this week?

Speaker 12 I'm going to have, even though I'm a hardy Gouda man, I'm going to have to pick Zach's Parmigian-Reggiano.

Speaker 1 You're going to pick Zach's story there of the cheese getting representation. Well, to bring you the correct answer, we spoke to someone familiar with that real newly minted star.

Speaker 13 When I go to pizza places, I'll still use the shake your parmesan on my pizza, but Parmigiano-Reggiano is the real deal.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that was Kelly Freemeier, general manager and cheesemonger at Beautiful Rind in Chicago talking about the new star, Parmigiano-Reggiano.

Speaker 1 For further inquiries, please go to their agent at United Talent Agency. Congratulations, Kevin.
You got it right. You point for Zach, just for telling the truth in a charming way.

Speaker 1 And you've won our prize, the voice of anyone you might choose on your voicemail. Well done, sir.

Speaker 12 Thank you very much, guys.

Speaker 1 Great playing with you. Take care.
That's me too. All the best.

Speaker 1 And now the game we call Not My Job. For more than 100 years, there has been a store on Houston Street on New York's Lower East Side called Russ and Daughters Appetizers.

Speaker 1 They sell bagels and smoked fish of every variety and chopped liver and every Jewish delicacy imaginable.

Speaker 1 Today, this store is owned by two members of the fourth generation of the Russ family who have expanded their business into the internet age, but will never, ever, ever put ham and cheese on a bagel.

Speaker 1 Mickey Russ Fetterman and John Russ Tupper. Welcome to Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

Speaker 1 Thanks for having me, Peter. Okay.

Speaker 1 First things first. I want to get this out of the way because I know you're sensitive about it.
Your store sells bagels and locks and chopped liver and cream cheese, but you are not a deli.

Speaker 14 That's correct.

Speaker 1 Why not? And how do you punish people who call you one?

Speaker 15 Well, we work with very sharp knives.

Speaker 2 Yes. So,

Speaker 15 you know, you want to stay away if you cross us.

Speaker 15 But we're an appetizing store, and appetizing is the sister food tradition to delicatessen. So if you're thinking of corned beef and pastrami, that's delicatessen.

Speaker 15 If you're thinking of bagels and locks, that's appetizing. Right.
Funny word, but it's for delicious food.

Speaker 1 I am fairly Jewish, I guess. And I grew up, growing up, nobody ever said, you want to get some appetizing?

Speaker 2 Where did you grow up, Peter?

Speaker 1 I grew up in New Jersey

Speaker 1 and in Boston, back and forth.

Speaker 15 All right, which is not New York. It's true.
And appetizing is a classic New York invention. Okay.

Speaker 15 The word comes actually from the Yiddish word forschweis, which means appetizers.

Speaker 15 But probably a Yiddish speaker, someone like our great-grandfather, great-grandfather, was trying to translate Forschweis, and instead of saying appetizers, said appetizing, and that's what stuck.

Speaker 14 And Peter, you're Jewish. We call it Jew-ish.

Speaker 2 That's right.

Speaker 1 Jew.

Speaker 1 I'm not really committed. I'm just Jew-ish.
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 I don't know appetizing. How can I be truly Jew?

Speaker 1 Correct. You mentioned your great-grandfather.
Your great-grandfather, the original Russ,

Speaker 1 he started selling creamed herring from a push cart on the Lower East Side.

Speaker 14 He was selling Schmaltz herring, which is a salt-cured herring,

Speaker 14 and at that time, like heavily salted. So you did not need refrigeration and could sell it from a push cart.

Speaker 1 So he would go around with a push cart with herring so salted it wouldn't rot, and people bought it.

Speaker 14 Exactly. Right.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 14 It were tough times, Peter.

Speaker 2 I understand. Tough times.
Tough times.

Speaker 15 It was wrapped in the newspaper. That's how it came packaged.

Speaker 1 In newspaper.

Speaker 14 In newspaper. Made it even more delicious.

Speaker 2 The ink in there.

Speaker 10 Do you still sell it?

Speaker 15 It's the house that Herring built.

Speaker 1 Exactly. Do you still sell Schmaltz herring in the store? We do.

Speaker 15 We do. And actually,

Speaker 15 Anthony Bourdain, the late, great Anthony Bourdain, who was a dear customer and loved Russ and Daughters deeply, he, of all the things, he once ate his way down our counter. Right.

Speaker 15 All of this different smoked fish and salmons. And the thing that he loved the most was the schmalt herring, which is basically like, it's kind of like a giant anchovy.

Speaker 15 It's that kind of intense, salty umami. And he said, this is, it's so primal, it connects you to your ancestors.

Speaker 15 So we definitely still have it.

Speaker 1 You are the fourth generation in the family to own and operate it, but you're relatively young. And as you said, your customers

Speaker 1 Some of them must be very elderly. Your store's been there for a long time.
Do they ever give you a hard time? Like, what are you you doing? That's not how you do that here.

Speaker 1 That's not how you slice a schmaltz herring. Let me show you.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 14 Our customers, for you know, if someone that's been shopping there for 60 years, longer than I am alive,

Speaker 14 have a lot to say about how we're doing things. We have created the most difficult customers in the world, I like to say.

Speaker 14 For better or for worse.

Speaker 5 Have they ever given you any good wisdom to chew on?

Speaker 2 I'm sure they have. I couldn't.

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm just, of course, every stereotype of elderly Jews is running through my head. It's like, here's a tip for you.
This is cheaper across the street.

Speaker 1 For those who haven't been to the original store, it's a small store. It's long, it's narrow, there's a very long line, right?

Speaker 1 And so when you get to the front, you don't want to waste time, right? So can you guys tell me the appropriate way to order your bagel or your sliced fish like a professional?

Speaker 15 Know what you want ahead of time.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 15 You can ask for a taste of one kind of salmon, but don't ask for three or four.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 15 Look at the bagels and know what kind of bagel you want, so we don't have to say poppy plain, sesame onion, everything, whole wheat, pumpernickel, and go through the whole list.

Speaker 14 This is how we would like people to order, but the true professional is the 85-year-old

Speaker 14 man or woman that comes in and says, give me a taste of every single type of salmon.

Speaker 14 And can I get a taste of a bagel? And then they walk out.

Speaker 1 One last question.

Speaker 1 Obvious idea for you guys. You go to Dunkin' Donuts, they got your donuts, you got your donut holes.
I've never been to an appetizing where they have bagels and bagel holes.

Speaker 14 Wine holes. That's very funny.
We just taught a bagel class

Speaker 14 with a bunch of people, and we were rolling bagels by hand and showing people how to roll bagels by hand. And then there are all these misshapen, funny bagels that people rolled by hands.

Speaker 14 And then there was this little ball. And I was like, who made this one? And this woman raised her hand.
I was like, what is this, a bagel hole?

Speaker 14 We have never tried it, but I think that might be being baked right now.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I was about to say, you have to split the royalties between that lady and me.

Speaker 15 Innovation comes to Russ Motors once every 100 years.

Speaker 2 Exactly.

Speaker 1 And it's due.

Speaker 1 Well, Nikki and Josh, it is a pleasure to kibbutz with you about bagels and such. But we have asked you here to play a game we're calling Lux Meet Lux.

Speaker 1 You were both famous experts in picking out the most delicious locks. So we're going to ask you about an expert in picking the other kind of locks.
That would be Harry Houdini.

Speaker 1 Answer two to three questions right, and you will win our prize for one of our listeners, any voice they might choose for their voicemail. Bill, who are Nikki and Josh playing for?

Speaker 3 Ben Rill of Boston, Massachusetts.

Speaker 2 All right. Well,

Speaker 14 I'm glad he's from Boston. It won't feel so bad if we lose.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Here's your first question. You are allowed to collaborate or argue, depending on how you get along.

Speaker 1 Houdini was, of course, the world's most famous escape artist, and he escaped from many unusual places during his career, including which of these?

Speaker 1 A, the belly of a whale, B, a working furnace, or C, a really awkward dinner party?

Speaker 14 I would say it's a working furnace.

Speaker 1 I agree. So you're thinking the working furnace that's on fire, he gets thrown in.
No, it was the belly of a whale.

Speaker 2 What?

Speaker 1 A whale washed up on the shore in Boston, and a bunch of rich businessmen, including a taxidermist, carried it to Houdini's theater and said, try to get out of that.

Speaker 2 And he did.

Speaker 6 All right. And then he went back to Nineveh to preach the gospel.

Speaker 2 He did.

Speaker 1 Two more questions. Houdini actually challenged the public to to come up with things for him to escape from, and it got dangerous.

Speaker 1 He almost died when he accepted one challenge to escape from a barrel filled with what?

Speaker 2 A beer,

Speaker 2 B,

Speaker 1 beads, or C, styrofoam peanuts.

Speaker 14 I would say beer.

Speaker 1 So what do you think, Nikki? Do you agree it's beer?

Speaker 10 I'll go.

Speaker 15 You know, in

Speaker 15 Cousin Unity, I'll stick with...

Speaker 14 We have a better chance. Like, I think if we pick two,

Speaker 14 we could still win.

Speaker 1 So is it a good, are you going to agree that it's beer? Yes. It is beer.
Very good. Yes.

Speaker 1 He didn't drink

Speaker 1 Houdini, so he swallowed some. That was a problem.
And the carbon dioxide made it hard to breathe. And, well, basically, he almost suffocated.
But he got out.

Speaker 1 Your last question, if you get this right, you win. Houdini once sued a police officer who said that he bribed people to fake his escapes, right? Oh, he's not going to stand for that.

Speaker 1 So he sued, and he won his case by opening the judge's safe in the middle of the courtroom.

Speaker 2 Ta-da!

Speaker 1 He later revealed he pulled off this trick how? A, Houdini had the exact same model of safe at home.

Speaker 1 B, he had a friend look up the judge's wife's birthday ahead of time so he could figure out the combination. Or C, the safe wasn't locked to begin with.

Speaker 14 Here you go.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Ah.

Speaker 4 What do you put it on me?

Speaker 15 I think it's the wife's birthday because I'm really bad about coming up with good passwords. I also shouldn't be telling this to...

Speaker 6 Russ and daughters.

Speaker 14 Password one.

Speaker 14 I think it wasn't locked.

Speaker 1 You think it wasn't locked? So, Nikki, you're going to go for the wife's birthday to presumably guess the combination.

Speaker 15 Yeah, let's divide and conquer on this one. Very good.

Speaker 1 Actually, it turns out that Josh was right. It wasn't locked.

Speaker 1 They brought out the safe. He said, ta-da, and he opened it up, won the case.
Everybody was amazed. And Houdini and later revealed, actually, it wasn't even locked.

Speaker 3 There you go.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Nikki and Josh do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 Two out of three. That means you're a winner.
We'll pay you in bagels.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Polls to Newcastle.

Speaker 1 Oh, and by the way, before we let you go, Nikki, what is your birthday?

Speaker 1 Nikki Russ Fetterman and Josh Russ Tupper are the owners of Russ and Daughters, the legendary store in New York, and two of the authors of Russ and Daughters: 100 Years of Appetizing: A New Cookbook.

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Speaker 3 from NPR and WBEC Chicago, this is Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me, the NPR News Quiz. I'm Bill Curtis.
We are playing this week with Faith Seeley, Zach Zimmerman, and Joyelle Nicole Johnson.

Speaker 3 And here again, as your host at the Studebaker Theater in Chicago, Illinois is Peter Sagal.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much, Bill. Thank you, everybody.
In just a minute,

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That's 1-888-9248-924.

Speaker 1 Right now, panel, some more questions for you from the week's news. Joyelle, you know, we have bodybuilding competitions, right? We have CrossFit tournaments, world's strongest man tournaments.

Speaker 1 The latest thing in contests is to test the strength of what?

Speaker 11 Like a

Speaker 9 bike seat.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Out of the universe of things that the answer could be

Speaker 1 to test the strength of, you chose a bicycle seat?

Speaker 9 Listen, bicycle seats are racist and sexist. I will say this.
They are not for a black woman's butt, okay?

Speaker 9 I need a new bicycle seat.

Speaker 9 Bicycle seat, final answer.

Speaker 1 I'd say it was right if I was you, Peter.

Speaker 1 You're right. Yeah, bicycle seats.
No, I'll give you a hint. Oh, he's yippy, but he's a dynamo.

Speaker 2 Dogs?

Speaker 1 Yeah, little tiny dogs.

Speaker 3 The strength of a dog?

Speaker 1 The strength strength of chihuahuas.

Speaker 9 What do you box them?

Speaker 1 Like, box them up?

Speaker 9 Or you put, how you find out, you put, like, weights on them?

Speaker 1 Sort of, kinda. This is the 10 pounds and under division of the North American Weight Pull Association Championships.
Top chihuahuas can pull over 50 times their own body weight. Whoa.

Speaker 1 That is the equivalent of an adult male also doing something he really shouldn't be doing.

Speaker 9 Is Peter aware of this? Because that sounds like they would be upset.

Speaker 5 Do these chihuahuas want to do this?

Speaker 1 Apparently, they're enthusiastic. I mean all dogs want to work, right? I mean it does seem like the kind of thing you do for dogs in the aditterod.

Speaker 1 And it's so cool to see chihuahuas doing it because usually they're the sort of thing that is fed to the dogs in the adidorod.

Speaker 1 Zach, I have a question for you. Zach, just weeks after the famous heist at the Louvre Museum, the museum suffered another embarrassment this week as two men managed to get inside and do what?

Speaker 6 It wouldn't have been a robbery.

Speaker 1 No, and in many ways it was the opposite of a robbery. A gift.
Yes, they actually broke into the Louvre to hang up one of their own paintings.

Speaker 1 And not only that, but they hung it in the same room with the Mona Lisa.

Speaker 1 So these two Belgian pranksters managed to sneak a framed self-portrait of the two of them into the museum and they hung it next to the Da Vinci masterpiece.

Speaker 1 Staff knew that something had to be wrong when they noticed people leaving the Mona Lisa room not looking disappointed.

Speaker 10 Damn, Leo catching strays.

Speaker 1 Anyway, the painting was up on the wall for less than three minutes before security noticed what was going on and sent a team to take it down.

Speaker 1 And while they were doing that, a second pair of people managed to steal another $100 million off its tool.

Speaker 1 Zach, this week we learned about a new clothing line that the fashion world is obsessed with. It's a collection of knitwear

Speaker 1 made exclusively from the wool of sheep, which are what?

Speaker 6 The wool of sheep, which are

Speaker 3 boys.

Speaker 1 They are boys, all of them. Gay sheep.
They are, in fact, gay sheep.

Speaker 3 Wow.

Speaker 2 This feels

Speaker 2 targeted.

Speaker 6 Are these randomly assigned?

Speaker 6 This feels quite targeted, I might say.

Speaker 10 And that's in bad taste.

Speaker 1 It turns out sheep, just like humans, do gay stuff a bunch.

Speaker 1 And to celebrate this, a fashion designer and the app grinder

Speaker 1 teamed I was gonna call it a dating app is that right it's a meditation app yeah

Speaker 1 yeah considering that they teamed up to debut a 37-piece knitwear collection made exclusively from the wool of gay rams

Speaker 10 I love the casting call

Speaker 5 all right let's see what you got never mind how do you confirm that they're gay are they self-identifying well well one is wearing a Native American headdress one is wearing a mustache and looks like a police officer officer.

Speaker 1 So basically the way it works is any given flock of sheep has a lot of ewes, but not many rams. And sometimes the rams just aren't interested.
They call them confirmed bachelors.

Speaker 1 You started it. We need work.

Speaker 2 Don't you dare. Don't you dare dare.

Speaker 6 Everybody sit down. There's no reason to clap so loudly for that.

Speaker 2 Please.

Speaker 10 Standing over it, you're too kind to Peter.

Speaker 1 Coming up, it's lightning fill in the blank, but first it's the game where you have to listen for the rhyme. If you'd like to play on air, call or leave a message at 188-WATWAIT.

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Speaker 1 Hi, Aaron. Wait, wait, don't tell me.

Speaker 4 Hi, this is Emma, and I'm calling from Syracuse, New York.

Speaker 1 Syracuse is a lovely place upstate.

Speaker 4 Yes, very snowy.

Speaker 1 I ask with some anticipation, what do you do there?

Speaker 4 I am an orchestra teacher.

Speaker 2 Pew, pew, pew! Few deal!

Speaker 2 Yay!

Speaker 1 You said you teach orchestra in middle school?

Speaker 4 Yes, in elementary. So the very beginners up until they get to high school.

Speaker 1 You are the most patient soul alive.

Speaker 5 Do you have to practice not cringing?

Speaker 4 My poker face is very good.

Speaker 2 I bet. I bet.

Speaker 1 Well, Emma, welcome to the show. Bill Curtis is going to read you three news-related limericks with a last word or phrase missing from each.

Speaker 1 If you can fill in that last word or phrase correctly on two of the limericks, you'll be a winner. You ready to go?

Speaker 1 I sure am. Here is your first limerick.

Speaker 3 These silky strands flutter and ebb. Its makers are spider celebs.

Speaker 3 This underground cave is an insect's mass grave. We've just found the world's largest

Speaker 1 web. Right!

Speaker 1 Scientists have discovered the biggest spider web of all time. And no, it is in a cave in Europe.
It is not the one you just walked into in your garage.

Speaker 1 It's massive. It covers more than a thousand square feet.
It has a three-car garage and an open concept kitchen.

Speaker 5 Do they know how many spiders made it?

Speaker 1 Tens of thousands.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 Spiders are down there.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 what I'm thinking about is like, tens of thousands of spiders make a big web. Like, how many flies do they expect you to be dumb enough to go down there?

Speaker 6 Did it say some, some, some? Really, really? That is some pig.

Speaker 1 Here is your next limerick.

Speaker 3 This king of the beasts and his scion

Speaker 3 might take fingers or hands as a buy-in.

Speaker 3 This feline cafe has large beasts of prey. Grab a snack and try petting a

Speaker 1 lion. Yes, a lion.
For anyone who loves a cat cafe

Speaker 1 that feels they lack an element of danger, there's a new lion cafe in China. For just $150, guests are invited to eat and drink while cuddling up with lions.

Speaker 1 You get a four-course meal complete with drink pairings. The bad news, you are the fourth course.

Speaker 9 Are they sedated?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 What the heck? Now, they are lion cubs.

Speaker 2 Little baby lions.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 The only real danger, let's be honest, is like too many people picking up the damn thing, holding it up, and start singing the song from the lion.

Speaker 9 Sing it.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 All right, here is your last limerick.

Speaker 3 See Sam, my best friend, just go flutter by.

Speaker 3 Don't sigh, roll your eyes and then mutter, why?

Speaker 3 Does he go really far or just to a bar?

Speaker 3 I am tracking my personal.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 1 A kind of fly rhymes with flutterby.

Speaker 5 Oh, butterfly.

Speaker 2 Butterfly, yes.

Speaker 1 We can now track individual monarch butterflies as they migrate thousands of miles to and from Mexico.

Speaker 1 Scientists are able to do this thanks to tiny, tiny little sensors, each about the size of three grains of rice, that can be attached to the butterfly.

Speaker 1 Best part, all of this information from these thousands of butterflies as they fly is available in real time to any of us via an app.

Speaker 1 So if you have a special monarch in your life, you can find out if it's cheating on you.

Speaker 10 Let's get engaged.

Speaker 6 Here's a butterfly that I want you to keep on you at all times.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Emma do on our quiz?

Speaker 3 Emma orchestrated that perfectly. Three in a row.

Speaker 2 Wonderful.

Speaker 1 Well done, Emma. Congratulations.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Thank you.
Thanks for playing.

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Speaker 1 We have arrived at our final game, Lightning Fill in the Blank. Each of our players will have 60 seconds in which to answer as many fill-in-the-blank questions as they can.

Speaker 1 Each correct answer is now worth two points. Bill, can you give us the scores?

Speaker 3 Faith has two. Joyelle and Zach each have three.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 So, Faith, you are in second place. That means you're up first.
The clock will start when he begins your first question. Fill-in-the-blank.

Speaker 1 On Wednesday, President Trump signed a bill to release all the blank files. Epstein.
Right. On Monday, the UN Security Council adopted the U.S.'s peace plan for Blank.
Gaza. Right.

Speaker 1 This week the White House hosted a lavish state visit for the Crown Prince of Blank. Saudi Arabia.
Right, on Monday, the new Prime Minister of Blank said she only sleeps two hours a night.

Speaker 2 Oh, uh,

Speaker 1 New Zealand? No, Japan. This week, a man in China who cryogenically froze his wife in 2017 has announced Blank.

Speaker 5 Oh, that he's in love with somebody new.

Speaker 1 Yes, he is, and people are mad. According to health experts, a new variant means the U.S.
is in for a severe blank season. Flu.
Right.

Speaker 1 On Tuesday, it was announced that after 40 years, Cher would once again be the musical guest on Blank.

Speaker 2 Once again.

Speaker 5 Yes. On the Sunny and Cher show.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Oh, if I could turn back time. Saturday Night Live.
This week a man in France took a wrong turn on the way to the doctor and ended up in Blank.

Speaker 5 Ended up in bed with Emmanuel Macron and his wife Brigitte.

Speaker 6 Nice.

Speaker 1 No, after that. He ended up in Croatia.

Speaker 1 This man in France had just a 12-minute drive to his doctor, but apparently made the mistake of listening to his GPS and instead drove over 900 miles and through two countries, ending up in Croatia.

Speaker 1 See, this is what you get when you ask Google Maps to find you colonoscopies nowhere near me.

Speaker 2 Said, avoid tolls. Exactly.

Speaker 1 Should have said, avoid tolls and avoid Croatia.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Faith do in our quiz?

Speaker 3 Five right. Ten more points.
Total to 12 puts her in the lead.

Speaker 1 Zach, you are up next. Here we go.
Fill in the blank. On Thursday, people gathered in Washington, D.C.
for the funeral of former Vice President Blank. Dick Cheney.
Right.

Speaker 1 On Wednesday, Trump's prosecuting attorney admitted that the full grand jury did not see the final indictment against Blank. Comey.

Speaker 1 Right, despite a lack of evidence, the CDC's website now says there may be a link between vaccines and blank. Autism.
Right.

Speaker 1 This week, the group behind the Academy Awards sent out a note reminding voters to please blank before voting. Watch the movies.
Exactly. This week, the second blank movie set, Box Office Records.

Speaker 2 Oh, wicked, Friday.

Speaker 1 On Monday, Vogue announced that costume art would be the theme of the 2026 Blank Gala. Met.
Right.

Speaker 1 A toy company pulled its AI-powered talking teddy bear from shelves after researchers discovered it could tell children how to blank.

Speaker 6 Transfer food

Speaker 10 between their mouths.

Speaker 1 No, they found that this AI-powered talking teddy bear would tell children how to find knives.

Speaker 2 Oh my God!

Speaker 1 For me, the problem isn't that Kuma the teddy bear told kids, quote, you can find knives in a kitchen drawer or a knife block on a countertop.

Speaker 1 It's that he followed it up with, you can hide knives in the river after you've done what must be done.

Speaker 1 Bill, how did Zach do on our quiz?

Speaker 3 Zach is hot. Six right, 12 more points.

Speaker 3 15 is the total.

Speaker 1 And how many then does Joyelle need to win?

Speaker 3 Six to tie, seven to win.

Speaker 2 Let's go.

Speaker 1 Let's see how good I am at this. Here we go, Joyelle.
I look forward to this every time. Fill in the blank, Joyle.
On Thursday, meetings began in Kyiv aimed at ending the war in Blank.

Speaker 9 I don't know where Kyiv is.

Speaker 1 It's in Ukraine.

Speaker 2 Ukraine.

Speaker 1 This week, the White House rolled back Biden-era protections for blanks and their habitats.

Speaker 1 Blanks? Blanks and their habitats.

Speaker 9 Chimpanzees.

Speaker 1 No, endangered species. There aren't any of them here.

Speaker 1 Over 200 people have been arrested since blank raids began in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Speaker 1 Right, after they couldn't resolve a years-long custody dispute, a judge in Delaware made a divorced couple blank.

Speaker 1 Get divorced again. No, made them bid on their beloved golden doodle.
On Monday, Novar Nordisk announced it was lowering the price for weight loss drug blank.

Speaker 9 Ozempic. Right.

Speaker 1 According to a new study, Moss survived for nine months in blank. Ozempic needles.
No, in space, this week everyone is okay after a man pulled out a gun during an argument about blank.

Speaker 9 Russ and Daughter's bagels.

Speaker 1 Oh, you'd think, no, about how many eggs a chicken can lay in a day.

Speaker 9 That would have been my second.

Speaker 1 We don't know why this group of friends at a bar in Florida started arguing over the breeding habits of chickens, but we do know one of the friends took the argument very seriously.

Speaker 1 That's got to be an awkward moment in the group chat the next morning. Man, I was so drunk last night.
I didn't start a fight about chickens and then pull a gun again, right?

Speaker 1 Yay!

Speaker 1 How'd that do, Bill?

Speaker 3 Not very well.

Speaker 3 You're on our team, Joyelle. You got two right, four more points, seven total.
And that means Zach is this week's champion.

Speaker 1 In just a minute, we're going to ask our panelists to predict after raccoons what will be the next new family pet.

Speaker 1 But first, let me tell you all, Wait, Wait, Don't Tommy is a production of of NPR and WB Easy Chicago in association with Urgent Hair Top Productions, Doug Berman, Benevolent Overlord.

Speaker 1 Philip Godeka writes our limericks. Our public address announcer is Paul Friedman.
Our tour manager is Shana Donald. And thanks to the staff and crew at the Studi Baker Theater.

Speaker 1 BJ Ledeman composed our theme. Our program is produced by Jennifer Mills, Miles Drumboss, and Lillian King.
Special thanks to Blythe Robertson and Monica Hickey. Peter Gwynn is our gleep.

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Our production manager is Robert Newhouse. Our senior producer is Ian Shillock.

Speaker 1 And the executive producer of Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me is Mike Danforth. Now, panel, what will be the next pet we welcome into our homes? Joyelle Nicole Johnson.

Speaker 9 After abandoning the MAGA movement, Marjorie Taylor Greene is in search for a forever home.

Speaker 2 Yes. Zach Zimmerman.

Speaker 6 The new pet on the scene is going to be the female mayfly, which can live for five minutes the amount of time a child can take care of a pet.

Speaker 1 And Faith Saley.

Speaker 5 Rats in New York have gotten so big, we're just going to invite them inside, put a sweater on them, and call them Capybaras.

Speaker 3 If any of that happens, panel, we'll ask you about it here on Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me.

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