177 - Bloody Laws, Bloody Claws: The Murder of Frank Chen

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One man's search for justice, about one family's search for justice, about one dragon's search for justice for one man.

That's right, it's the final episode of Bloody Laws, Bloody Claws.

This is the verdict.

Frank Chen was here, now he's gone.

And I have to wonder what's going on.

Bloody Laws, Bloody Claws.

Someday we will solve the murder of Frank Chen.

Welcome back to another episode of Bloody Laws, Bloody Claws, the murder of Frank Chen.

I am, as always, your host, Cecil Palmer.

This is our...

Wow, 722nd episode?

Can you believe we've only been doing this since December?

And this is likely to be our final episode, as today, Judge Chaplin is scheduled to issue her long-awaited verdict.

We're going to bring this verdict to you live, but of course, this is a podcast out of community radio, so you will later download that live recording, by which point I will not be live.

I'm not 100% up on this all this tech stuff, but wow, is the money better in true crime podcasting than community radio?

I mean, who knew, right?

Yeah, I was surprised.

If this is your first time joining us on Bloody Law's Bloody Claws, welcome, welcome.

For the best experience, you really should start at episode one and listen to all 721 previous episodes in order.

But I'm sure the Chen friends, as my fans call themselves, will welcome you in and let you know what's been going on.

Join them on the Discord and the Twitch chat and the subreddit and the Patreon.

I have no idea what any of those things are, but I've been told firmly by my producer that you cannot make anything now without having all of those things.

In the meantime, let's get to a quick recap of the case.

So this story, as you Chen friends know, goes all the way back, if you can believe it, to 2012.

Put yourself in that moment in time.

Annette Benning is president, and don't I wish that was still the case.

Yo-yos are big again.

No one would be caught dead in jorts, not like today in which due to new city ordinances, you can be dead if caught without them.

And a five-headed dragon named Hiram McDaniels is pulled over while driving a pickup truck that belongs to a human man named Frank Chen.

When asked for ID, Hiram hands over Frank's driver's license and explains that he is normal human Frank Chen.

The police have no reason to doubt Hiram, and so they let him go.

But later that day, the real Frank Chen's body is found, covered in burns and large claw marks.

Just what happened to Frank Chen?

Who killed him?

And what does Hiram McDaniels, literal five-headed dragon, have to do with all this?

That's what we've been trying to find out in the metaphorical pages of this literal podcast.

When criminal charges never came and Hiram McDaniels fled town after the death of one of his five heads, the family of Frank Chen turned to the civil courts for justice.

They filed suit against Hiram McDaniels as well as the City of Nightvale and the Sheriff's Secret Police for negligence in the investigation.

The suit has gone on for almost a year now, and it has taken a heavy toll on this town, making us dwell on an ugly and murderous chapter in our history.

On the other hand, it turns out a true crime podcast about an active case is basically printing money, so it's not all bad.

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Now, as usual at this point in our podcast, Let's bring in our legal expert to talk us through the intricate matters of jurisprudence involved in a big case like this.

So, I turn it over to our legal expert, the faceless old woman who secretly lives in your home.

Thank you, Cecil.

In order to properly consider this case, one must look at the full history of dragon law.

The first recorded legal case involving dragons was in the year 706, in which a dragon ate most of a shepherd's flock, and the shepherd went to his local chieftain with the complaint.

The chieftain ruled that it was absolutely aggravating what the dragon did, but at that point the dragon had flown off and there was nothing much anyone could do about it.

The next case was in 1291, in which a dragon sued to get her cape back from a local lord who had begun to strip mine the cave for iron.

The dragon explained that the clanging and banging was interrupting her sleep habits and she wanted them out of there or else.

The specifics of her or else was made imminently clear when she huffed a white hot burst of flame from her nostrils.

Unfortunately for her, courts at the time were judged by the local lords, and he ruled against her in the case case of her versus him.

Unfortunately for him, she made good on her or else and burnt him to a crisp, at which point the miners were all freed from their cruel labors and celebrated the death of the tyrant.

So that one worked out pretty well.

The last case I want to point to is from 1971, in which it was ruled that incorporeal, ghostly, or otherwise inhuman beings are allowed to live in homes, secretly or otherwise, no matter the wishes of those they they are haunting.

This doesn't have anything to do with dragons, but it's a case that's very important to me for reasons I will whisper in your ear tonight as you toss and turn, wishing with all your heart for sleep that will never come.

Thanks, faceless old woman.

Fascinating.

Oh, say, where did you study law?

I've never studied law, but I've spent centuries on the wrong side of it.

That teaches you everything you need to know.

Makes total sense, and I have no further questions.

Let's move on.

Coming from community radio, I wasn't aware of the larger world of podcasts.

Did you know that 90% of podcasts are now multimedia empires?

It's true, or at least according to my new agent.

I've never met her, but she promises that I'll be rich beyond my wildest dreams.

I merely had to supply my bank information to her and she would make sure that money would just come raining in, which it hasn't yet.

If anything, my account seems a little smaller, but she just explained that this is just a glitch and that the big bucks are coming.

She just kept shouting, the big bucks are coming, over and over until I had to hang up.

In any case, she said she's gotten me a book deal.

A book deal.

My book in progress is called Hiram, Portrait of a Five-Headed Murderer.

Also, I'm developing a TV show that is going to be on Fritz, the new streaming channel only available in smart refrigerators.

And we're planning a 60-city speaking tour in which I will be reenacting what I think happened to Frank Chen using puppets and the voice acting classes at the community center that Carlos got me for my birthday.

So, many exciting new steps in my new career.

I wonder what my agent's name is.

I never did ask.

Eh, Eh, probably not that important.

Now it's time, before we reach the verdict, to exhaustively go through the evidence one by one.

Pick through that, discuss what we think it means, maybe bring on a few more experts to chat about each item.

This could take a while.

So, first up.

Hey, sweetie.

Are you recording your show again?

Oh, yes, you're on it right now.

They're listening.

But you can edit this out, right?

Because like podcasts aren't live?

I don't know what edit means.

Okay, well, I just wanted to let you know that I made lunch, and it's pasta salad just the way you like it, dry and crunchy.

Oh, that's so sweet, Carlos.

But I can't leave right now.

The verdict is about to happen.

Oh, no, I get it.

That's why I brought it to you.

Oh, thanks, my little tortoise.

Well, enjoy.

And say hi to your frank bunch.

Chen friends.

Oh, sure.

Say hi to them.

And you should definitely edit this bit out.

And I can show you how later.

Ooh, I can't imagine what that entails.

Bye, sweetie.

Bye.

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Oh, oh, it looks like the big moment is here.

Judge Chaplin has arrived and is setting up for her verdict reveal.

She's seeding the room with some hidden aces and flowers so that she can make them appear later, and I think there might be wires leading to the ceiling for some kind of levitation portion of the show.

While she does that, let's go, as we always do at this point in an episode of Bloody Laws, to an unrelated song.

I can't change that, cause I can't change the way you are.

Well, I've been thinking about this for some time.

And I won't change myself if you won't help yourself.

So bite your time

and let the blood drip into your lungs.

Maybe you'll choose

what all those words you spoke.

You'll never figure the sun.

The earth stops moving, cause you wanted it all.

But I can't change that, cause I can't change the way you are.

Well, I've been thinking about this for some time.

Yet I won't change myself if you won't help yourself.

So hold your tongue

and let the words trip into your arms.

Maybe you'll see

how much your words cut through me.

We

are

falling

to

you'll never figure this out.

The earth stops moving, cause you wanted it all.

But I can't change that, cause I can't change the way you are.

Well, I've been thinking about this for some time.

Yeah, I won't change myself if you won't help yourself.

Wake up

falling

right

through

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I come to you partway into Judge Chaplin's verdict.

We've made it through

the floor show, and she is just finishing up sawing the bailiff in half, so we should get to the legal meat of it soon.

Oh,

okay,

okay.

I did not expect doves to fly out of the bailiff like that.

Very impressive.

Maybe the most impressive verdict I've seen since Judge Houdini sentenced 15 petty thieves in consecutive trials to community service, all the while escaping from a padlocked mail sack dropped at the bottom of the Volt of A River.

But now, we've reached the decisive moment.

Judge Chaplin is indicating that whoever has the king of hearts in their breast pocket is the winning side, and both legal teams are patting themselves down, and it's the family of Frank Chen.

The judge has found in favor of the plaintiff.

The court is chattering, and one guy with a podcast is loudly narrating everything as it happens, so the judge is banging her gavel for order.

She finds that the city of Nightvale, the sheriff's secret police, Hiram McDaniels, and an omniscient concept of God are all responsible in their own way for the death of Frank Chen and the subsequent lack of justice for his murderer.

Hiram McDaniels fled town years ago, and no one has any idea where he is.

God hasn't been seen around here since at least the 70s, so it looks like the brunt of the responsibility is going to come down on the city and the police.

It has come time to award damages.

Judge Chaplin explains that she believes in a simple kind of justice: that the best way to make things whole is to rectify the situation directly.

And so, the family of Frank Chen is owed

Frank Chen's life.

They are owed one living Frank Chen

until the date of his natural death, whenever that was supposed to be.

If they fail to produce this within one calendar year, all of their assets, including the town of Knightvale, will be turned over to the family of Frank Chen.

Listeners, this is...

unprecedented.

I am unclear how a city is supposed to bring a man who has been dead for eight years back to life, and it seems the city does not know either.

But honestly, it's a fair verdict.

The city of Knightville's lawyers are looking at each other with their hands in their air, shaking their heads and mouthing things like, but that's impossible, and I really didn't expect this trial to turn out this way.

Oh, wow, this is really exciting.

It will take me at least another year of this podcast to properly analyze the verdict and its implications.

and of course to follow the city and sheriff's secret police as they attempt to delve into the ultimate mystery of life and death in order to fulfill the court's judgment.

Thank God.

I was really wondering what I was going to do if I lost this podcast income.

I had gotten used to the lavish podcast lifestyle and wasn't ready to turn to the simple hermitage of community radio just yet.

Well, this wraps it up for the not final episode of Bloody Law's Bloody Clause.

All of you, Chen friends, join me for my usual four-hour behind-the-scenes commentary episode on our Patreon in which I analyze my analysis in this episode.

And as I always say at the end of this podcast, that about does it for me, Nightvale.

That about does it for me.

Bloody Laws, Bloody Claws is a production of Nightvale Presents.

It is written by Joseph Fink and Jeffrey Craner and produced by Disparition.

The voice of Bloody Laws, Bloody Claws, is Cecil Baldwin.

The voice of the faceless old woman was Mara Wilson.

The voice of Carlos was Dylan Marin.

Original music by Disparition.

All of it can be found at disparition.bandcamp.com.

This episode's unrelated song was The Ghost Who Wasn't There by A Sunday Fire.

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