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Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.
It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry. And you're listening to Barely Famous.
All right, you guys, I'm super excited and also nervous for this episode because I love Reb so much. If you have not heard of Reb Maisel on social media, she has gone viral on TikTok.
She is a civil attorney and she is a practicing attorney, contrary to popular social media opinions. And she actually had no aspirations to get into law school until practically last minute.

So I'm super excited to find out how this whole process went, how it's going.

And I want to bring up an iconic transcript that may ring a bell in your minds from my

court case with Brianna DeJesus.

So I'm just ready for this episode.

I'm very nervous. Welcome, Red Maisel.
Hello. Hi.
I was so freaking out about you coming on this podcast. I was so excited.
Like in a good way? Oh my gosh. I am so honored and jazzed.
You have no have no idea I grew up with you fam like I did that's why you were important people watch like team mom I was not important at 15 you're two years older than me oh no wait yes I you were born in 92 I was born in 94 okay so like prime time prime time okay middle school are you kidding what do you think we did at sleepovers like i was reading for you oh i did oh i did there was not a lot of parental supervision going on like come on clearly that's how i ended up pregnant in the first place yeah right like i mean it's a trend it's right right but truly it's like it's it's just bizarre because i mean i'm sure this has happened to you a bajillion times just because of what you do. Like, if I would go back in time and tell my 13-year-old self, hey, like, you're going to be on a podcast with, like, Kaylin from Teen Mom.
She'd be like, because you're both in prison? Like, why? Like, what did you do? Like, why would you be famous for that? I did go to prison. Well, no, I went to jail.

Or she'd be like, are we pregnant?

Wait, that's so funny because I was reading, I think it was an article about you on Yahoo

and you were talking about, I'm pretty sure it was Yahoo, like sleuthing on the internet

to find out if your, like, friends, boyfriends were, like, cheating on them or something. And I'm like, you probably would have found out like who's pregnant, who's, you know, who's not pregnant, who almost got pregnant, all the things you find out everything on social media.
Everything, truly. And, and that's coming from, uh, oh, I don't know, someone who has a very lengthy digital footprint.
You know what I mean? Like coming, like preaching, like people are like, well, you post all yeah but like I stand by it like I'm like yeah no blow it up on the big screen like yeah but I'm like I'm like there's no but also the thing it's not even so much as like people lie about weird shit like people lie about shit that only makes sense as important in context right like they're just trying to like completely separate themselves from like a specific person. Yeah.
Never met them. Never talked to them before in my life.
No, I think I did. Maybe I do.
I own a lawn business. Maybe I did yard work for them once.
I'm like, really? Why did you say happy Christmas to her on her Facebook post from two months ago and said the living room looked great at dinner? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, I'm like, why do you think that we're that dumb? Like, you like delete at least delete your stuff. Like, at least make it just deactivate it for the time being.
I honestly I did my first court deposition. Well, you read it in your transcripts for one of your things i didn't get a copy i didn't copy the full one people submit to me all the time because that was one of my questions to you was how the fuck did you get that because i don't even have it no no so i i like as you can tell all of the transcripts that i use i like have to literally physically type them out again.
Like at least now, like with the text function on like my phone, I can like copy and paste the text from a photo and like paste it, put it in the format, do the colors, do the little captions. Like it takes me so long.
I got that from someone screenshotting an article about the deposition. So like, right, you you don't you think I care about my sources I'm like no I'm like taking liberties you know I mean I'm like look like as long as the amount of things that are said right whatever and they were like this is so funny and I had like several people be like oh my gosh like love like that's so funny like whop and I'm like well I have to put it in there and I'm like I have to put it in there thinking thinking no one was even my attorney who represented me on that case like I keep her on retainer at all times because I love her so much I think she just like was she didn't know what the fuck to say or do when Brianna said that like she was just like what like and and that's the worst part is like even if the attorney knows what wop means the record doesn't like we don't know what that means like you have like you have to type it out you quite literally have to like and the witnesses will sometimes be like annoyed like because you'll be like okay and where do you live on that street so like the same street as him yeah like i said no queen like we need to be right like very specific right and so it's like no one's in 20 we need to be able to create a record that in 50 years someone can understand and maybe in 50 years someone will be like oh my god mom why i can't if i can't ever find that i will fucking roll over in my grave i'm crying because sorry i'm just like okay anytime i get no um i'm crying because i obviously write got it from like an article right some like bullshit article that was like reporting on what was said in their deposition and i'm like that's really funny a bunch of people had sent it to me whatever put it in the format all this stuff and then i, like when you invited me on the podcast, I was like, where did I get that? And I'm Googling every single news article now is like using a screenshot from my video being like, look at the transcript.
I'm like, that's not, I'm like, that's my Google document. That is my Google doc.
I have a Google doc and I put on there, like, where did you find this? this because like i feel like i almost feel like i should probably print that page out and frame it in my office i would do if i'll do it for you are you kidding i want to put it in my i mean probably not my office like probably not yours so when they found out that you did it did you have to have like a sit-down meeting so since i started tiktok um like it was right when a few videos go viral, is your first action going to be to knock your boss's door down and be like, does LA call me or do I call LA? You're kidding. Why would I tell them that? That's so weird.
And the first few videos that went viral for me that I was like, oh, 15 minutes of fame were not law related.

They were not. It was actually before I took it while I was studying for the bar.
I was like 90 pounds and ill. My hair was falling out by the clumps.
I was so stressed out. And so I was making funny like about like my mom finding my tattoo, like funny videos about like being stressed, like whatever, studying.
And I thought, oh, this was fun. Like 40K likes, like 15 minutes fame.
And and then when I started posting when I became an attorney and clapping back to people in my comments who were like I'd never hire her and I'd be like you can't afford a chicken mcnugget through the drive-thru babes like you can't you can't pay my billable hour like please um then you know, you know, it just kind of happens organically.

And it got to a point where I was like, well, I don't know at what point I say, hey, like, there's this fake persona that I created, fake name that I created.

And it's me now.

I live a double life.

Yeah, I live a double life, except it's literally me and my personality exactly the same.

And y'all aren't mentioned, and you y'all aren't mentioned right

y'all aren't mentioned nothing's problem i just didn't even want to create an issue the so i didn't say anything like i was like why would i say something um my partner like one of the partners called me into his office for a case he's like yeah let's talk about this case i was like oh yeah like ready to talk about this specific case yeah i'm like you liar i go and i sit down and he's like, hey, so TikTok?

And I was like, hey.

What about it like about to like ready to brawl right because I had already decided that I was gonna fight for it in terms of like why it was important to me and why it had become bigger than me and why it was so um just inspiring to me to see so many young women young people old people old women old men like young men everyone saying how refreshing it was to see someone with a personality who could know a hundred percent had long hair right and not a fuck-ass bob like practicing law you you know? And, and as someone who practices law,

like I am a copy and paste look around,

like we are everywhere.

I am not different,

but outside of legally blonde.

Right.

And like how to get away with murder and scandal.

Have you seen how to get away with murder?

Yeah.

Oh my God.

So good.

So good.

Um,

you know,

you don't have that.

Like you,

like people just assume like,

Oh no,

you have to like change your entire life and episode. And and and you know I I just told my boss I was like ready right to like be like have this whole speech prepared of like why like I'm not gonna delete it and he goes and he's awesome I adore him he was like I just think it's so great he was like that's so cool my daughter showed me 600,000 600,000 followers I just can't even believe it and I'm like this what's up like he was like yeah and it was and it was a super the first firm I worked at was an extremely conservative firm not in the sense of like politically but in the sense of like suit and like like a lot of firms today like suit like not so much like suit and tie every day unless you're in a specific line of work.
Like me, I'm not in a suit right now because I'm just in like an acute dress moment because I'm not going to court. It's like, you know, they don't require that.
That firm was like suit and tie every day. Like you're there at eight.
Like you leave at five. Like it was very like very like traditional, which is actually fine.
Like I didn't mind it. It wasn't a problem.
But some old heads at the at the head of that ship right and I'm thinking I'm gonna be fired like and um the partner was like and and this has been the same copy and paste thank god um through all I've been like this is my third firm and I adore it um every single one when they'd find out or like this one, I like told about it because I was like, look, listen, this is the vibe. They've said, you know, hey, there are going to be some partners or some like other lawyers here who like don't agree with it, right? They might be like, oh, that's a professional, whatever.
They were like, as far as we've seen and as far as you've told us and maintained, you don't like, right? You're not filming with like your coworkers. You're not, you're not making it obvious that you are an attorney with our firm.
You're not, you know, making these opinions like something that could reflect poorly on our clients or poorly on anyone or not even just poorly, just like no one wants my, someone else's opinions to be copy and pasted to them, even if they're correct every time, every single every single time look like some people just need to be wrong on their own um and so so that and they were like if that's you know if you maintain that like great you know they're like that's you do that on your outside of work like awesome how many lawyers have side hustles like have other companies yeah like wineries like do random shit as long as it doesn't doesn't involve- Wait, wineries? Interesting. You know, that's so random.
I just, I live in California. So like, you'd be shocked.
And I'm like, wait, what? Like out of his backyard? Yeah. It's like a booming business.
I'm like, is it like, like his dog shit's back there? Like, are we sure? Like, I'm not really like- Is that sanitary? Like, are we okay? Right? Yeah. Yeah.
No, I love that. No, I think to your point, my, none of my attorneys, I have three attorneys on retainer at all times for different reasons.
I have my trademark, my entertainment, my family law. And then I had my criminal attorney at one point, but they're all, they don't fit the mold.
Like there's no, and which so much surprises me because I feel like growing up, you think of a lawyer and they, you don't see their personality outside of work. You don't see them, you know, be fun.
It's just strictly professional. Kind of like what you described of your first law firm.
Not that there was anything wrong with it, but just that it's very like, this is what it is. Like suits.
Do you watch suits on Netflix? Have you seen it? Of watched. It's high fantasy, but yes, of course I do.
I enjoy it for what it is. But every time something comes up, I'm not a lawyer.
I aspire to be one. But I'm like, I wonder if Reb thinks that that's like, is that even real? Like, because some of the scenes, I'm like, that wouldn't happen.
Does Reb watch this? But like, you know, the difference between attorneys, I guess, right? As you have experienced, there are 80 million types of attorneys that you can be, whether it be area of law or personality, truly. Even just in my trial department, every partner is a completely different mold.
It's a completely different experience working for any of them. And it's not negative or positive.
It's just different. same thing as a friend group like when you hang out one-on-one it's gonna be different with every but every one of your friends and so like for for suits right yeah like some attorneys are just obnoxious and would just sit there and be like pause that would never happen and they don't like they can't enjoy the show like let it be a tv show whatever like they're like can't do it i'm like this is so outlandish it's entertaining like it's like it's like it's like a doctor watching gray's anatomy like if you don't like it for the romance and the drama like you're not watching it just to correct the medical procedures which i'm sure you would right to your spouse to your friends but to your friends.
But like, it doesn't, Suits, I started watching also before I went to law school and then I just like started it. I just started it.
Suits? Yeah, I didn't know it was that old. Oh yeah, yeah.
It's because our girl, Meghan Markle, was like a lead, you know, she's a paralegal in it. Yeah, Rachel.
What do you mean? She slays the entire time. No, she did such a good job.
like i'm only on season three and she has done a fun i was like i had no idea she could act like i didn't even know she was an actress fantastic actress yeah i think she's fantastic truly i think she's great um and yeah no so she like she started dating prince harry while she was filming and it was like the later seasons like they were like wrapping it up and then when she ended that then she's quit acting she was like i'm out well she if she ever goes back i will go see whatever i'll go watch whatever she's acting in because she's fantastic me and you front row because i love and she's just so lovely and gorgeous to look at i mean all women are but like you know like i mean know, like, I mean, the closeup in 4K, I would be like, beauty filled, like back it up. Okay.
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That's Nutrafol.com promo code famous. Do you, how do you turn, do you turn off your personality for clients and litigation or are you just as like spunky and spassy, sp sassy and like sarcastic and funny when you go to court or you can't you just can't I mean it's the same it's the same like I my friends um at least like the people closest to me because of course I asked them in the beginning I was like this is like me right like you know you have like a moment where you're like looking in the mirror, and I'm like, no, this is me.
Right? And I'm like, no, it is it is. But I want to ask, you know, the people who know me best.
And they are like, No, yeah, that's 100% you. You're just a little like, turning up the volume on it, right? Like, you're just like the qualities and traits that I already have, like, obviously, for entertainment purposes on TikTok, I'm gonna like make movements big.
I'm going to make the voice obnoxious. Like I do not talk in a vocal fry that violently.
You know, right? But then it's like, you know. That might be right in a judge's day though because I feel like everything is so like monotone for the most part.
I don't know about civil litigation. I don't know anything about the civil realm.
It is pretty monotone. So I don't know.
I feel like if I was a judge, I'd be like, okay, well, a little bit of sass is kind of entertaining and it's my day, right? I definitely, as a lawyer just in court strategy-wise, the same way you would present a slideshow at a corporate board meeting,

right? You're not going to talk to your sister the same way that you're going to talk to a board of

professionals, no matter how hilarious you are, or no matter how, you know, like great your think

your point is. What you want, ultimately, the goal is, is for the words out of your mouth to

be louder than anything else about you. You want them to absorb what you're saying.
That's our entire, like, right? My, I sell my brain for a living, right? Like Freakonomics, the difference between a prostitute and a lawyer, like different parts of the body. Truly.
I sell my brain and my voice. That's literally what I do.
I mean, look, listen, look and listen. Okay.
All of the men who are like, all these girls on OnlyFans. I'm like, weren't you like an Air Force Reserve, Chad? I'm like, okay.
The government can have it. But because it's your.
Okay, for sure. Got it.
Like you're selling your body to the government. Like.
When you go into the military. I mean, that's a good point, too.
I mean, they don't have any bodily autonomy whatsoever.

Yeah, exactly. Can't shave their beard.
People pay for mine. People pay for my brain and my voice.
And I, you know, so typically, and I've seen it, right? I've seen four awful, terrible, just wouldn't even spend a penny type of lawyering in the courtroom, right? Oh, 100%. I mean, there are a lot of lawyers out there.

People think, oh, she's a lawyer.

She must be smart.

Or, oh, he's a lawyer.

He must be smart.

Lawyers will tell you, no, that's not the default. It's not the default.
You see people who make like very, you know, are arguing with the judge. It's outlandish, like they're moving their body a lot, like being on the table, like voice, like up and down, up and down, kind of like a man like speaks normally, you know what I mean? Like to win.
And it just doesn't hit. Like it just doesn't hit because you're so distracted.
It's distracting. And so anytime I'm arguing, like if it's just a motion, like me, you know, me arguing to the judge as opposed to like examining a witness or something, I'm, I don't move.
Like I'm very like at the podium, hands clasped. I'm like, good morning, your honor.
honor thank you i appreciate the time that you've given me today first i would like to note as an initial matter that this case should have been romanted to state court but i digress like like it's just very like right slow and methodic um and i do not talk this fast okay okay so you have to but isn't right Second second nature though the judges will give you sass sometimes like sat you as in like they're funny like they'll say you from that yeah no i've been i've been to court a couple times so of course of course of course you you know you know but like some right some judges are known for not being like that at all. Other judges are like very cash.

They're like very like, hey. So we seem to be having a dispute.
And I'm like, I love you so much. I want to get the green light to do what you just did, but I don't think that I have that.
Loving that. Yeah, I love that.
I just, I can't. I, the male attorneys that I've worked with are far less appealing in the sense that I had to, I had let one go.
The misogyny, the complete switch in personality and pompousness, crazy. I love my female attorneys.
I love my women attorneys. They're just fantastic.
Did you know when you were going to law school who was going to be the attorney that would fight with the judges? Or were you like, I don't have the grasp on those people yet? I mean, it is super unfortunate that you had a bad experience with a male attorney, honest to God, for all of the. I'm not saying all of them are like that.
Yeah, no, no, no. For all of the very valid shit talk, 100% that I have about the rampant misogyny in this field specifically.
And obviously, you know, there's going to be misogyny and sexism in every area that, you know, every career, every line of work that you choose. But I think that unfortunately, there's a bit of an exclusive club for the girlies in STEM and in the legal field.
The way I describe it to people, genuinely, genuinely, and it's not an over-exaggeration, it's from day one of law school, I have felt this. It feels like 20 years behind what every other field is in terms of, or where every other field is in terms of progressiveness and in terms of lessening the misogyny a bit or certain comments that would be made in the middle of a staff meeting at

like a sales company 20 years ago could have been a funny laugh and like one person was like that's inappropriate and now it's like everyone's very aware no we don't say that but then other sexism misogyny will be it's still there it's just like more nuanced or like not so overt or whatnot For whatever reason, in the legal field, it is, I wish it were nuanced.

Like I really do. If I mean, it's just, it's so blatant and so rampant.
It's never just one guy, you know, like, it's all like, like there's, there's, there's so many of them. And it doesn't necessarily even have to be a man too, which is always like what makes me the saddest when, you know, there's like another female attorney or a female like, like client sometimes or like, or like a posing party who very clearly is just treating you differently or like, you know, talking to you in such a way where

you're like, let's keep it cute. You know, like, let's, let's tighten it up.
Like, I am not your friend. I'm not your buddy.
Like, like, do not speak to me. Like I, you know, like I'm a child just because I'm younger than you, you know, right.
Come on. Um, but, but yeah, no, I like, I have for all the shit talk that I, that I have to say about all of that, which is super fair.
and I'd absolutely blast it from a speaker if I could.

There are so many, and I've just been blessed and grateful, so many incredible male attorneys that I have had the privilege of working with or even working against. And I'm not even saying that as like a, like I'm trying to include them.
If they sucked, I'd be like, haven't worked with a single one. Right.
And what's worth writing home about. Right.
But truly like it's been, it's, that's been great because, um, I have been very much helped and, and, um, protected by, um, so many great male bosses that I've had partners or just other associates. And, and I think that's just indicative of like the type of firm that I've chosen, you know, like I'm obviously not like working with like shrubs.
Like, sorry, you guys, like I didn't do terribly in law school. Like hate to break it to you.
Um, that's what I said in your intro when I, when I did the intro before you came on, I was like, contrary to popular belief, like she, she did go past the bar. She did go to law school like she's a practicing attorney.
Yeah, exactly. And, and, and, you know, I worked my tail off.
Um, I was in the top of my class. I think I was on like number, I feel like honestly the numbers get twisted.
It's not even me trying to be arrogant. It's just like, I blacked out during that entire time.
Like I was like barely a person. Um, I was in, I was like, I think it was number 10 in my class of like two something.
And I- That's incredible. And you didn't even want to go to law school.
Like that was never on your radar? No. I mean, I wanted to do, which a lot of people cannot relate to.
And I'm very self-aware of the fact that this is not very relatable and it's so fair. I loved school.
I still love school. I read that.
Unfortunately, I'm like, I'm sorry. Like I know it's mentee illness.
I get it. But the problem with that is there was nothing that I wanted to do enough to quit school.
I liked school so much because I was good at it. I was like, this I'm good at.
I'm not really a sales gal. I'm not really giving cold calling.
It's not really fitting my vibe, my aura, my moment. And of course my parents are like, well, what? Like get a job, like get a job.
Um, and so I thought I was just going to go to grad school, get my, get a, get a master's in history and like write a book or, um, marry rich. And here I am now.
Get, get a master's in history or marry rich.

Like there's no in between.

No, no, no, no, no.

It was absolutely always get a master's in history.

And either I work or I marry rich.

Like if I'm marrying rich, I'm going to have a master's.

Okay, period.

Because you're independent early.

Right.

If I'm marrying for love, we're going to have to work, unfortunately.

So what was, I did read that you got – your undergrad is in political science.

Yeah, but that was also random.

Not random, but for anyone, like, listening and who's, like, thinking about law school or anything that track, I knew nothing.

I knew nothing, nothing.

I don't have parents who were lawyers, not even close, like, not even close, like, not even corporate, like, nothing.

No one in the family, no friends, like, anything like that was oh no oh no no um i was the very first one to like have a like to honestly be what i was academically my my siblings are very very smart but i was just like obsessed with wanting to continue it my parents were like we got c's i don't I don't know what to tell you. Good luck.
You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what the flip side. So I was like Googling, right? I had no idea what I was doing.
I self-studied for the LSAT. I like bought these like LSAT Bibles.
Like I didn't know what should have been on my application. I didn't know like what, like I was like, what major do you do? Probably something law related.
That sounds right. You know, whatever.
And then you learn all of this stuff after you already get into law school. And you're like, wow, this would have been helpful to know like before.
Why don't we tell them that? And the law schools are like, no. I'm like, okay.
Basically what I found out when I got into law school, and I believe that this is consistent across the board. It's not just like particular to my law school.
My law school is an ABA accredited law school, which means like, don't worry, it's ranked, like chill. People are like, no, I did not.
Whether you're Ivy League or like the scrubs, which like love the scrubs, majors of any person that you could think of who is like, I want to be a lawyer, right? Like I'm going to be a lawyer. I am just like everyone else.
And I want to be a lawyer. They're probably going to have political science major, right? Or like a law, legal studies major or like, like, you know, some English major, which is, yes, that makes sense.
Obviously they chose it for a reason, but law schools don't give a shit what your major is. And I mean that with my head, toes, knees and chest, you do not learn.
And I don't care what your major was. I don't care if you interned at a law office for 10 years.
Not a single thing that you learn in college or in work, okay, prepares you for law school or makes you ahead of the game in law school, except for law school. The only thing that helps you in law school are the study habits that you've already gathered and decided were helpful for you or worked for you.
You know, like I'm a big, serious theory board gal on the wall, right? I love like putting signs up. That will help you.
You don't need anything else. And the law schools know that.
They're like, we care about how you're going to do academically here. If you can do well academically in any major, biology, French, like a science major, a math major.
They love that. I swear on my life.
So many people were like, oh yeah, like I got in, like I had, you know, I got in with that, like quite literally Elle Woods, like fashion. I had a 4.0, but then someone else had poli-sci, which is a harder major.
And so they had a, you know, a 3.5 GPA and they didn't get in. So they should have just done with, you know what I mean? So, so my like advice, whatever, take it with a grain of salt if you want, but like whatever.
You're right. If you want to go to law school, but if you want to go to law school, like genuinely, you know, I, if I could have done anything differently, only one thing I would say everything else I I'm, I'm so happy with, I would have done history as my major because I enjoyed that major more.
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You didn't have daddy as a lawyer. I'm like, okay.
I had one of my girlfriends on one of my other podcasts and she was a communications major and then she went to law school. Oh, great.
And she's a practicing attorney texas so um and i told her i was like i want to be a lawyer but i went for communication she's like i did too um so i don't know if i'll get anywhere but wait so did you like you can be anything like like it doesn't mean that that like those majors are like you know like my major obviously i got in like everything's fine like, you know, everyone who like, like I changed my major to political science thinking that's what they want. If you're in a break, you, you were communications amazing.
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Did you take your LSAT during COVID or you got into law school during COVID or what was that whole thing? I was graduating. I was studying for the bar during COVID.
Oh, so you were going through it. I graduated from college in 2017.
I graduated from law school in 2020. And right after you graduate, like you graduate like May, April, right? You immediately start studying for the bar and are supposed to take the bar in california july 28th it got postponed like three times it was horrible and that's why um i became violently depressed because i have having to restudy the same thing it was horrible um don't i can't even get into it like trauma um that's why i am funny um and why i started posting on tiktok because i so ill.
Like I was so sick and ill.

I'm sorry.

I'm not laughing at your pain.

It's just that we all have to.

No, no, I know you're not.

You can't, but I know you're not.

It's the trauma that makes us funny.

It's the only.

And what?

You're talking about my trauma.

I have.

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I'm like, you have had.

You have had it since you were a little kid. You literally were like, oh, let me just draw the short straw every time.
Like the best, the best thing that life ever threw you was your beautiful child. No, literally, I just told my best friend that I was like, the only, like that lit a fire under my ass that was the only good thing

that ever happened to me which is crazy because I'm not here to promote team pregnancy but like

girl but but but of course of course not like no but I'm so fascinated we plan it or we don't have

it I mean period no but it's just crazy because okay so the else you took the LSAT when I was so I did it pretty late like I would not like my plan right that's why I don't really talk about it on my

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oh you don't't really talk about it on my take no no i on podcast absolutely like i'm like the people who are listening like absolutely like hear the shits the reason why i don't i don't want to get it to like because when it goes out to the general pub you know hard hard to explain to people who like haven't gone viral whatever before, but I'm like, if you really saw the comment sections, it's not so much the hate that really blows.

That's like water, whatever. Don't care about that at all.
It's more like it feels as though 80% of the general population, all ages, are in a life that's a car wash, but they're riding a bicycle. And they are wondering why they're getting wet.
And I'm like, Queens, oh my God. And so if I ever was like, hey, this is what I did, right? I took the LS LSAT very late in, you know, generally the beginning of my senior year of college.
Like I studied for it my fall semester, senior year, I literally touched down from going abroad and was like, lawyer sounds fun. Swear on my life.
I wish it was more planned. I don't recommend like definitely, right? Like maybe like I should have like done, saved more slots to be able to retake the LSAT because you can retake it.
I think up to like three or four times or like that. Yeah.
You know, I was like one and done. Like.
Why am I so over? You definitely. You were not on the bike in the car wash when you did that.
No, I was I was in a Porsche with a lead foot. Correct.
Obscene. So so so I took it.
It was like December. It was like the December LSAT and your score and then like you submit apps in like February.
And I got my score and like immediately was like, hit submit. So yeah, that's what I did.
I self-studied. I basically just during that semester, it was actually nice.
I do recommend to people who are studying for it. I didn't study for it over summer.
Some people that I knew did. I'm glad that I didn't do it over summer because when I was doing it during class time, all of my other friends were in class, right? Like college, like everyone has classes like during the week.
I literally lied to people and pretended like my LSAT studying carve out three hours of time, like, you know, three times a week, whatever. I was like, I've got to go to class.
And they'd be like, okay, bye. And like, there's no like, what? Like, you don't have class.
You know, I mean, because it's summer, whatever. So I treated it genuinely, gaslighted myself into thinking like, no, there's no, you can't reschedule.
Like, this is a class, like you need to be in attendance. And it just helped me be more disciplined because obviously I was like, having a really great time in college.
And it was, you know, very easy to get distracted. So it was easy to, you know, anyone's excuse always, you don't want to go out or don't, you know, can't go like jump in the ocean with my friends.
It was just, I got to go to class. So what did your family say? They were like, did you tell them you were going to law school? Yeah.
I mean, I, when I was studying, I guess like they were obviously when I was flying home

from going abroad, which I did fund myself.

I was a waitress at Chili's at a golf course.

We love Chili's over here.

So we love Chili's.

Most of that shit's microwaved.

I'm so sorry to tell you, but I don't even care.

I don't even care.

I love you for that because everyone that I've told about that, they're like, I see

it so different.

I'm like, really?

Because I feel like it's not really giving.

Fine.

Like, like you're, look, I'm, you're paying for what you get.

I'll go in the back of my way that myself, I'll still eat it there.

I'm like, this margarita was $4.

I'm good.

Like, give me a chip and salsa.

Like, give me a chip. And the chips are like, the chips, like, this big warming thing.
They care more about the chips than they do about anything else. And God bless them.
God bless them. Wait, so you were abroad working at a Chili's? No.
Oh, my God. Imagine.
Oh, I was, like, they have a problem. In order to pay.
No. Okay.
In order to pay for, like, spending money to go to study abroad in Switzerland. Okay.
Right? I my. Yes.
It was so great. Geneva at the UN.
This is not the princess diaries. No, there were no hot men at the end of it.
I'm unfortunately just just me. Also, it sounds like absolutely fantastic to say that you were studying in Geneva in Switzerland.
Like what? Yes. I, I leaned into that very heavily on my applications.
I was like, anyways, the name dropping right at the end, Geneva, UN, Geneva, UN, as if I wasn't like barely passing international environmental law. Like, please.
Oh my Lord. Um, but yeah, it was great.
I mean, I just, I really loved it. I went to UC Santa Barbara for undergrad for people who, like University of California, Santa Barbara, for people who aren't from California Fair.
It's like UCLA, but better. Go Calgers.
Their education abroad program, it was the very first year that they had ever offered Geneva, like to study at this like international and global studies program. It was like harder to get into the UN, you know, whatever.
And everyone typically when they went abroad, at least my friends at the time were going to like Barcelona and Florence, all these places. And honestly, this is so lame.
I'm an every lawyer is a nerd at heart in some way. I love a good party.
I shotgunned a lot of beers on a lot of decks in college for sure. Like I was in a sorority,ority like rah rah I just love museums and I love traveling by myself or like traveling without like friends on the way right like like friends that you have to attach yourself to the entire time I wanted to meet new people in my program who were from other UC schools like UC Berkeley or UCLA whatever who were going to the program.
I just wanted a semester to find myself. No, but literally I say this all the time.
I just had someone on my podcast that is, she's known for her solo travel. And I was like, my best trips have been by myself.
I went to Europe for two weeks by myself. The people that I met there were incredible.
You experience new things. You get to meet new people.
One of the girls that I met, I'm just going on a tangent. Please do.
I know I love this. She was a nanny for the royal family of Saudi Arabia.
Amazing. So I was like, this is so cool.
But anyway, continue. No, that's a thing is that people assume like, oh, traveling alone.
I'm like, well, you get on the flight alone and you are responsible for only yourself. Right.
And you can do whatever you want,

but you always meet, like you have people, like you're never alone by the end of it.

And, and for, for abroad, like study abroad program, you know, it's like, it's like, yes,

I was showing up alone. I was like in my, you know, in my own door, I had to like figure out

the train, whatever. Like, of course your girly took Spanish up till AP Spanish, like was like pretty much fluent by the end of high school where did she decide to go spain oh no geneva what do they speak french and swiss german french and swiss german that's why i could not i i can't even like i used to be able to say like a sorry i speak english you know whatever but i apparently how i look is a beacon they i'd walk into a you know any store they'd be like hey what's up what do you want I'm like oh come on do you don't really I don't look French they're like not even a little bit no oh what do you want like smoking their cigarette in the restaurant and like obsessed um but yeah like I I just I just knew there were gonna be people in my program there was only one other person who on the program from my school, which I was kind of happy about.
We didn't know each other. She was like in another sorority.
We like tentatively DMed each other and we're both like, hey, just FYI, like I'm trying to do this by myself, like whatever. And I was like, same.
Oh my gosh. We ended up being so close, like becoming best friends, traveling together.
It was great. So right the entire time that I'm gallivanting, okay.
Gallivanting around Europe. All right.
In very sketchy situations, for sure. I slept on the floor of the Amsterdam train station to like save three euros.
Like I was broke, right? Like I'm living off the Chili's money, the Chili's check. My parents were like, Hey, what are you doing? After what's it? Like, what is this job you speak of? Like, what are, what's the plan? What's the game plan? And I was like like just like live and let love or love and let live I don't really know they were like so so I told him I was like grad school grad school grad school don't worry about it like applications aren't due till next year don't worry about it um and I was I didn't know what I was doing and um they just kept you know asking my dad of course has always been like I want you to want you to be an attorney because I've bodied him in arguments since I was two.
Absolutely buried. Yes.
Like scoreboard up. Like, yeah, he's great.
I love my dad. He's such a girl dad.
Like, he's very, he's extremely proud of his very assertive daughter. As he should be.
Much to my mother's chagrin. She's like, you need to, like, sometimes.
Like she doesn't have an attitude, doesn't like she's, she's kind of a huge bitch. She's really mean.
And I'm like 12, right? My parents are in the corner. Like, what do we do? And so my dad, you know, was like, well, why not law school? Why not law school? And I was like, no, no, no.
And then my roommate, my senior year, a few weeks into, you know know me being back from abroad i saw that she had

lsat books we ended up becoming best friends and going to the same law school like coincidentally and becoming moot court partners winning every competition we were in she's now a practicing attorney she's my best friend but we weren't even friends we like barely knew each other we got stuck rooming together in the in you know our pi-fi house and i was like oh you're taking the lsat She was like, yeah.

I was like, oh.

Bought the books the next day.

Here you are also a practicing attorney.

That's. hi-fi house and I was like oh you're taking the L-Sat and she was like yeah I was like oh bought the books here you are also a practicing attorney that's so crazy no I love that story I love this you should write a book about it though because I feel like this would be it'd be like legally blonde but like real life you know what I was thinking about that I know you've written like several books which is so obscene to me because my my dream like my dream always from the time I was 13, again, weirdo, not weirdo, but just like very, I was just such a book, like just a reader.
Like anyone who's been a rampant reader their whole life, consider law school if you have no other, like literally consider it. You read fast and you're able to read comprehension.
That is that is 90% of my job literally just reading comp um I always wrote poetry when I was a kid like that like I didn't understand diary entries daily I was like oh my gosh yeah I have so many poems like I write a poem I write a poem every day almost like at this point truly just because it's like my own little diary entry I always felt it was weird being like dear diary shit is whack i wanted to like make it sound cute and like lana del rey you know what i mean like i wanted to sound like a little like title it shit is whack shit is whack with like with like but like very serious you know i mean like very serious like motif like images like shit is whack and then breb nasal yeah and yeah that's like definitely a buck list for me whether it just be like self-published right like no do it what is holding you back why haven't you done it yet honestly just because i have a like i i wanna if i do it i would want to you know compile every because like all my poems write are in like on like an app, you know,

like an Evernote app on my phone. And it's like over the course of literally 10 years of these poems, I would want to compile them.
And then some of them are just so blatantly about people. And I don't really like just so it would really, it's like, it's, it look, listen, look and listen.
And I just, you know, I think it's going to be something that I do. Yeah.
When I feel like I'm in a, I'm in a good place. Not like in any sense of the word, but like personally, I feel like I want to like either have married rich or like married for love.
Right. Because I don't really, right.
Because I want to like obviously lie to my husband and be like they're all the loved ones are about you meanwhile it's like the situation shit from 2016 who's like wait a minute i didn't hear it and i'm like wait a minute it wasn't about you it totally was you know i mean i'm like take me back i'm like take me back where are you um so so yeah like i i'm absolutely gonna do it thank you i appreciate you um yeah no do it because but what like you you writing all those books that you have okay and like and like what i was just thinking about the other day i think someone tweeted about it how in the frick frack paddywhack do y'all remember with the memoir okay the memoirs how do you remember shit i'm like fucking trauma no well see i but then the whole book would just be like so my traumatic experiences i'm like i'm like i feel like there was some funny stuff like i feel like there was some fun times i don't remember any of the good stuff there's not i don't remember like i literally don't um to your point about like wanting to collect all of your stuff over the years pride over pity my very first book that took me years to write because things would happen and I would remember certain things and then I would write them down and so it was just like a compilation over the years of like things you know what I mean and so 100% and it's fucked up it's like why does the trauma stick out more than the happy times? I don't fucking know. Because I don't have kids of my own, something that I did not know is that typical children's vitamins are basically candy in disguise, filled with two teaspoons of sugar, unhealthy chemicals, and other gummy junk growing kids should never eat.
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But even then, like, like, cause I read Jeanette McCurdy's um that's on my memoir yeah like i i'm glad my mom died um and it's so poignant and so just incredibly written and so detailed and and and you can just tell it's just in pain she's writing from her voice it's just from her voice, and yes, like, you know, every chapter is like a new like day in her life, right? Childhood moving along and all of that. Even with the trauma, I'm like, these details are crazy.
I'm sure, you know, of course it took her years and years, but, but I feel like maybe at 12, she like woke up one day and was like, I feel like I'm going to be a memoir girlie and started like writing some shit down because there's like like my sister have do you have siblings i don't okay my sister thank god my sister my brother younger sister older brother they to this day will be like oh yeah remember when did it happen like did i like a major life event and i was like like, it's coming back. Right.
And it was like

a huge thing. And I'm like, wow, I really would never have even clocked it again.
Like re-remembered

it unless you hadn't been sitting right next to me going, oh my God, look at our life. Wow.

I always wonder that about siblings. Like I wonder that about my own kids.

They all, they're not twins. Right.
But they all virtually experience the same type of things in real time right but like are they going to remember it differently yes um i have i'll tell you that yes okay my sibling like siblings and but the the beautiful i mean beautiful like pros cons about it it's just like so cool the way like how different kids are um you know between between siblings um my brother and i are two and he's two and a half years older than me and then my little sister is six years younger than me um so we like we're all in the same house at one point and then like you know but spaced out but very very close very very close siblings um even though yes we were in the same house the same parents you know had the same like you know, whatever their great parenting styles obviously

differed between the children for sure. Um, but no matter what, like we, we had different

childhoods, like we had the same childhood, but we experienced it through a different lens.

So it was inherently different. And it's just interesting to like, to, to kind of recognize

that. And you only recognize it once you're older, like once you're much older and, and, you know know it's not even like in a bad way it's just kind of like yeah like um you know like i remember this like happening this way and my sister is like oh yeah i remember like i used to go in your room all the time and like you were listening to hannah montana and i absolutely was she was my first concert but i was like she's like and then you would like let me borrow your cd player and i'm like i don't really remember that being like a pivotal moment in my life you know i mean but it was a pivotal moment in hers right exactly that was a huge deal exactly she's a little sister and she was like my big sister is like letting me listen to her music and for me it was like a one off right i'm like 13 whatever i'm like get out of my room it's so it's just so and it's so many things my sister and with my brother too, right? Like my, my older brother, just like being my second dad, you know, protecting, being so kind and protecting me and letting me like scream and cry and run in circles around him while he's on the camera going like this, like with his jailed hair, he's like, Merry Christmas.
Like his eye is like twitching. He developed, you know, what's funny.
Did you ever, did you have issues with your kids like reacting poorly to like the next sibling coming in? So far, no. Okay.
Except for my oldest son, he is very much like a germaphobe. So my little sister is too.
Really? I didn't think that was real. I thought that was like a myth.
Only as a little kid. It it went away only as a little kid like my mom told her because my mom my sister goes it's not my mom's fault like bless her heart my sister was they were at the grocery store my sister goes mom what's a germ and my mom goes puts her in the cart and goes oh it's like all of these like tiny little microscopic bugs that are crawling all over everything and my sister literally it was it was like freaked out.
She goes, uh, uh, and my mom was like, no, no. And from that point on, she would rub her hands raw with hand sanitizer.
Like she was just terrified. That's my oldest son.
The only thing that he negative, like when my second son was born, he was just like, when he saw him, he loved him so much. And it's, you'll, Mom.
But he also was like, he looks disgusting. I said that about him.
I mean, babies are ugly. But like he was more grossed out by like, I think like the crusty hair, like that kind of thing.
Infants are gross. They are.
And I look, I love humans. I mean, I don't, but.
Right, right. um you know as someone who has not yet created a life um god is a woman thank you yeah kill for that um you've created a few um look I don't want to I don't want to make waves but no one is going to love your child as much as you love your child and no one is going to think your child is as cute as you think your child is as cute.
Right? And like, of course, my parents would never, ever admit that there was maybe the cutest baby out of the three. And I'm not saying that.
I don't know which one. Right.
I'm not saying that because I'm self-absorbed. I'm saying it because I peaked at age three.
I looked like a Gerber baby. I had like these big, massive blonde curls.
My eyes were this big in my head. I was so like, I was just, just like the matching pink moment.
It only went downhill from there. My little sister came out of the womb looking like she'd been through Vietnam, like literally smashed.
Her eye tear duct was infected. She had like a rash on her face.
Okay. Like just, just, just had it like great.
I mean, look, it was a used womb. It was a used birth canal.
It already had two passes. Like that's so fair.
You know what I mean? Think about it. Like think about it.
She got like the slums of the womb. Like essentially.
And she reminds us of it since. Like my sister is the reason why I also, I got, God, everyone's like, oh, you must be the funniest.
I am not even close to the funniest person in my family. My sister and my brother take the cake.
She's so funny, but she's like not, like my brother and I sucked all the energy out of the womb. I don't know about like your kids, like birth order.
My sister is the youngest and she was like, well, I could never get a word in. Oh, y'all loud, like y'all yelling and loud.
So she she is so, like, even keel, like Virgo, like, very, like, comical collected, just, like, observant, very dry humor. She won't say a word and then just, like, end you with a two-word phrase.
No, all my kids are savages. Yeah.
Every single one of them. They are savage.
I love that. They humble me every day.
And I just – That's my sister. Literally my sister.
But it's like a blessing and a curse because I'm not funny. I have to like try to be funny and they're just naturally funny.
And so I just love it so much. I don't care.
Like I should punish them for their slick mouth sometimes, but I can't because it's so funny. But it's so funny right now.
It's entertaining. Absolutely.
You know, okay. You know the trend on TikTok that that's like oh guys know the roman like right what how often they think about the roman empire have you seen that i just recently saw that okay for people who don't know who are listening like basically i don't know who did the original right like think peace or whatever like think talk on this but just know it's now apparently established that none of the men have told any of us about they apparently all think about the roman empire more often than should be reasonable for anyone interested in it really in any field ever infinity it's just a bunch of girlfriends or girls or siblings whatever going up to like their dad or their boyfriend or whoever and going hey how many times a day do you think about the roman empire and every single one of them, if you look it up on TikTok, they're like, a lot.
Like, I would say at least two or three. Like, dead serious.
No, dead serious. And you're like, what? And you're like, what's right? They're like, yeah, every single day.
So my sister, it's like an example of her, like, humbling me. Yesterday we were, like, sitting in silence.
Like, literally just sitting in silence. She's, like, typing away.
She's going to grad school. She's great.
She's going to be a like literally just like sitting silent she's like

typing away she's she's going to grad school she's great she's gonna be a child speech pathologist

like she's the coolest thing in the world um typing away on commuter and i'm like typing away

doing work we're dead silent all of a sudden i just look up and i go hannah remember when i dated

that fucking loser like years ago right like forever ago and she just looks up without missing

a beat still typing she goes that's my roman empire and just keeps looking down and i'm like

Thank you. loser like years ago right like forever ago and she just looks up without missing a beat still time and she goes that's my roman empire and just keeps looking down and i'm like i'm like fuck you she's like that's my roman empire that's my roman empire i was like her i was like eight eight but then but then i started thinking about it and i'm like i'm like wait hannah i am so many men's roman empire like i know like i know you are absolutely sure okay i just know like i know that i i'd look i think we should start that as a trend like who who is your roman empire who is your that is a trend no you need to start it because you just dubbed it like that that is my roman empire so you and hannah have to do it and i'm gonna be the first one to like stitch it or whatever like do it next amazing trendsetter I saw I saw it was like oh what was the girl's version of the roman empire and someone said oh like thinking about our ex best friend I'm like yeah that's so fair like oh your ex best friend whatever why don't we think about them though see but I think it depends like it depends like like somebest friends, it's like, right? That was a good run.
I could have like a seven-year long-term relationship with a man and be like, what was his middle name again? Like two months later. Like some of my best friends that I've had like through my life, like 20s especially, if, you know, like some friendships that have ended just like kind of just ended.
Like it was just like time and place, like consumed me i'm like devastated right like worse than any breakup with a man yeah because women's relationships are just so much more fulfilling and i feel bad you know i feel bad for men because they don't have as fulfilling i think emotionally right deeply friendships with other men that like women have you know like they had to make up all things just to go on a walk with each other. Like just to go on a walk.
I told my other co-host that she's like, cause I, we were talking about lesbians and I was like, you just don't understand that whole, like, it's just way deeper. Like if you think about your best girlfriend and then create that in like a romantic relationship, right? Like a man could never compare ever in any way, shape or form.
And it's not, you know, what's the word that they call us? Um, misandry. It's not even misandry.
It's just observation. Like it's giving scientific method, like it's giving Oppenheimer, you know what I mean? Like I sit back and observe and and I and I deduce and you know I I think what do you think your I guess and I I'm asking you this only because um not because like my friend didn't tell me this yes but my friend Nicole immediately when she saw that I was coming on the podcast she was like oh my god obsessed and I'm like I'll say hi for you as if she even asked.
And she was like, wait, oh my God. Yeah.
So hi, Nicole. Everyone say hi, Nicole.
Love her. But circling back, circling back to like your teens that I'm sure, you know, you're going to be running from for the rest of your life.
Yeah. Forever.
What do you think is like your proudest decision that you made in your teens, starting from right, like however 13 to 19 i'm embarrassed to say because and other than your kids because like that's obvious right like they're gonna be oh my god you're getting deep on me is this i don't wow okay the the proudest decision that i made jesus fucking christ um one of the proud ones it doesn't have to beest. I won't hold you to it.
But like, what are you looking at teen kale for and going, fuck yeah, and hugging her and going, great job. I'm so proud of you.
Graduating high school. Fuck yeah.
I love that. I already had a child, but I was like, my end goal, like I was like, I have to graduate.
And then you were talking about you graduated what college in what 2017? Yes. And I'm two years older than you, but it took me seven years to get a bachelor's degree.
So you know what I mean? But I fucking did it. You created a life.
I created an alcohol dependency. Like we are not the same.
I think graduating...

By the way, that was a joke.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

If people are offended at this point,

I just can't.

Like, I just can't do the offensive.

It'll be Reb and Rehab,

which kind of has a nice ring to it.

I mean, it does.

You can write a book about that.

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Honestly, honestly academic feats are nobody can take them away from you no one can take it away from you it's what you did and everyone's academic achievements should not be weighed against or leveled against what we think of as like baseline for what's the most difficult or the least difficult, the most difficult, super hard, least difficult, like GED, community college.

No.

No. The context of everyone's lives, your personal life, your daily life, the things that you cannot plan for, the variables that are thrown in, thrown at you like whiplash, just making it through high school intact and studying and getting grades and doing everything that people who have nothing better to do, but be teenagers and go to high school.
Literally. Yeah.
Like it's, I'm so that's, I mean, I wasn't like judging your answer, but no, I didn't think you were judging. I just, I didn't know what I was.
I didn't, I wasn't prepared for that question, but I do think that's I mean I wasn't like judging your answer but oh no I didn't think you were judging I just I didn't know what I didn't I wasn't prepared for that question but I do think that was like a monumental moment for me because I didn't know if I would go back I mean because I had my son in the middle of my senior year so I just didn't know if I was gonna like whoa you know what I mean yeah oh I watched I was there no truly I would just never more inspired than when I entered law school and looked around the room and saw. It wasn't like, oh, like you went to like the fucking scrub, like, you know, the leftover law school.
I'm like, I went to a great fantastic law school with people who worked their asses off to get there. There were single moms.
And I'm not just saying this as like, oh, there was one single mom in a class of whatever. I was the minority in the sense that I was one of the few, maybe like five, five people in like my little like 50 section.
And then it's like 260 class. It was probably like what, 30, 40 of us that had gone straight from college, like at 18 to 22, went to college and then 22 start.
like I started law school literally at 22. I thought, oh, that sounds like the normal track.
You know, like, I don't know.

I was trying to get it over with like, whatever. You roll up and they're like, hi, baby.
Like,

they're like, hi, you're so little. And I'm like, watch your mouth.
Like, you know what I mean?

They're like, oh, you look like you look like you just came from a frat party. You look like

you're going to fail this exam. Like I, yeah, yeah, there was shot but like it was so lovely honestly because everyone asks me thousands of dms comments all the time like is it too late for me i'm 35 like you know i just quit my job or like you know my kids i just had a baby or like i'm literally i just got pregnant and lost what do i do there was a woman who had I like literally can't there was a woman in my law school class who had her goddamn baby and literally posted a photo like of her with her laptop during law school like really had her baby during law school with her laptop like open like during like labor and she was like full beat like full beat like lashes on like literally like doing the damn thing

i'm like i'm like and she graduated like she's a little like she did it she did it and yes it kicked her ass and she was horrible horrible in the sense like it was it was so hard and you have to have emotional you know the discipline support loving support but but honest to god like i was a TA, you know, like teacher assistant when I was like second or third year. And it was, you drop

any But honest to God, like I was a TA, you know, like teacher assistant when I was like second or third year. And it was you drop any judgment or assumptions based on age because like I could never guess anyone's age.
I'm like, you could be 40 or you could be 25 and you would, you know, you're still younger than me in school. So it doesn't, you know, it doesn't matter to me.
I don't care. And they would, you know, they talk to me, they're like, Oh yeah, I have a wife and seven kids.
I'm like, I thought you were, I thought you were 26. You will fit right in.
I mean, I mean that in the sense that like, you are not going to be like some red herring, like, like everyone look at like God. Yeah.
Like when you do it, thank God for our legal field being becoming diverse, becoming more diverse. It is so milk cricket, pasty white, no purpose flour.
It is so white men across the board and then also just like white women across the board to the extent, you know, obviously women, yes, sexism rampant. But like better to be a white woman than it is to be, I can't even imagine, like truly a woman of color.
Yeah. Or like truly, and I consider too in the legal field, absolutely to be diverse is to also be, I mean, yes, everyone's going to go, duh, Reb, but like you don't get it.
Like to be diverse is not only to just be a woman, but also to be like Jewish. There's still discrimination based on that in this field, even though, right, the stereotypical jokes are like, oh, like Jewish attorneys.
Oh no. Like they experienced that.
Also single moms, moms who get pregnant and want to make partner, but the maternity leave is so awful that they, right, like literally have to choose between having a child and raising a kid over. Yeah.
But I, you know, like obviously not every firm is like that, thank God, but it's just so like inspiring to see such a wave of people come in with me back in, you know, we graduated in 2020. Those people are all practicing now.
Like they're all out there. Like, or if they're not practicing, right, they're lawyers.
Like they got their JD, like amazing. It's.
It's just strength in numbers, power in numbers, and also strength in eventually certain demographics and power are getting a little old. They might be kicking some buckets soon, which will be great.
Which will be good. We're like, not to brand anyone's downfall, but that might be a pivotal moment for everybody.
That's my thing is that people be like, you're ageist. I'm like, no, I'm not.
I'm a realist. Why in the FrickFack Paddywhack would a man who got to vote on desegregation of schools at 30 back then still be- Now get to decide whether or not a woman makes partner.
Something tells me can't teach an old dog new tricks right like i have no interest in educating these people when when it's to the right like when they're like you you everyone has a family member like this right like oh grandma like she's never politically right like she's never politically correct like you know you're not gonna get into a think piece with your grandma at the dinner table about why her making a comment is inappropriate, right?

You just drink your wine and say, that's nice, grandma, and keep it moving.

That's how I feel about the very, very, very old attorneys in this field.

Some of them are fantastic.

Shockingly, one of them was Pushing 80.

My favorite. Wow, I love that.
He he was like i just love women in this field y'all are smart y'all are better and i was like i'm like i love this man we like and look like i was also like working on his cases like definitely prioritize his stuff for a reason um but but you know like it to say that, that you can do it. And it's not just cause I'd blow smoke.
If I didn't think you could, I'd be like, so we should, we should cut this part. Don't, don't do it.
Maybe just take a paralegal. That's, you know, stop the career right there.
People start practicing at 40. Like literally.
So, you know, And I think, think you know why not get yourself some of the legal skills that you and your four attorneys have have they don't know each other unfortunately but I know I know I learned something different from all of them and I love that so yeah no I because I do I do like some trademark stuff so I'm like oh yeah trademark completely different like I do I do it when it when it not like the like yes like we do like the registering licensing but like if it comes to like oh shit like someone's challenging it whatever they throw it to trial so i'm like hi and i'm like thank you and like you know figure it out but but then it's like trademark it's completely different than civil and it's completely different okay obviously it's completely different than ip it's completely like you know like patents and things like that it's completely different entertainment oh my goodness like well Well, that's my favorite attorney of all time that I've ever worked with is my entertainment attorney. She is fantastic.
I got my own entertainment attorney because I was like, yeah, I didn't go to... You have to at this point.
Because people are like, oh, you're an attorney. That's so great.
You can look at your own stuff. I'm like, do you think that I want to put my life in my hands when i already like i am paid to have anxiety for other people's lives i don't have time to have anxiety for my own i want a fresh pair of eyes on this yeah i don't want like i want i would like all i want to do i'm like i'm an attorney i would love to pay someone to do my job like literally that i do for other people and so i you know and entertainment law is very like niche as you know like it's niche in I could do it.
But like I have to learn. You have to learn stuff as you go.
You have to practice, quite literally practice. Like, you know, what's like normal in the industry in terms of like contracts and like all the stuff.
And so, you know, I trust her with my life. She was also like stunningly beautiful, gorgeous.
Like, look, I was like, so you don't model? Why? I was like, what's up with that? She was like, are like are you a model and an attorney I'm like you could do both you could do both um but yeah she was great so that that was like my first like she yeah helped me out um and now you know now I have an agent who can do that for me right um and honestly my lawyer skills just come in, mostly against like clapping back against men online.

Can you clap back to some men that comment that come for me as well?

I'm not as good as clapping back.

For free?

I will, like negative dollar.

Like you, I will Venmo you just to have the chance.

Just to have the chance.

I cannot.

Like, like, like, and it's also like, you you know the dudes in the comments who like respond to each other like like go somewhere go definitely i'm like you are you are two proms trying to make a meal like let's like bring it somewhere else like oh like i said i said i think i posted i don't know i was like some dumb you know like the fresh and fit podcast like some misogyny you know like a man with a bad hairline podcast who's like women he said something he was like women are females are deceptive like their nature is to be deceptive right that you don't know when they're on their period you don't know when they're in heat he literally said you don't know when they're in heat so like there you don't know if they they're attracted to you or not like you have to play the game but like women are gonna lie to you I stitch it and I was like king just because the inside of your skull sounds like an applebee's hot fajita skillet does not mean that anyone is in heat around you okay I. I know it's buzzing in there.
You can barely get a word out. What the fuck? Like imagine, no, but like imagine a man looking you down the eyes and be like, when are you like, I don't know when you're in heat.
Okay. Are we hedgehogs? Like are we stray cats? Like, I don't know what's going on here.
Just for people who don't know who you are, where can people follow you? Um, so they can go follow your Tik TOK, Instagram, wherever you, whatever you want to plug. You can follow me at Reb Maisel on Tik TOK, R E B M A S E L.
It's the same handle for Tik TOK, for Instagram, for Twitter. Um, I have a podcast called the rebuttal podcast is my, Lord, it's my baby, my child, the life that I birthed.
Okay. I talk about cases, calamity, and everything in between that happens in the courtroom and out, cases that you haven't heard about.
If you don't like true crime, listen to it. You might like it now because it's not like normal trashy no it's the best um it's fun if you love true crime head on over um and if you hate all those things then just like live your life and keep listening keep listening to barely famous because that is also what i am send off cue the music thank you so much for coming on barely famous and um thank you for

having me keep me posted on your book when your book comes out because i'm keep me posted on your

graduation or your like law school situation well i need to pass the lsat first so thank you reb

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