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Today's episode is bringing you a full dose of girl power. And by that, I mean who you might know as Ginger Spice.
We know her as Jerry Hallowell Horner. And not only is she a pop icon, she's also a writer.
And I absolutely love her. This is like me trying not to fangirl.
Jerry is inspiring a whole new generation of girls with her new book. She has Rosie Frost, the duology that she is working on.
She started it in 2023, the first book released and now April 2025, the second book in the duology is out. This is Jerry Halliwell Horner and let's get right into it.
Jerry, welcome to the Barely Fam'm so happy you're here oh thank you very much for having me i loved the history lesson on henry the eighth you're so welcome i loved it and we have to talk about your books because i am a huge reader and i love reading so you sort of transitioned from you know you're a mom you are you know you were star, and now you're an author, you're a best-selling author. So let's talk about it.
How does it feel? It feels amazing, actually. I mean, I always have studied English literature before I went into music.
Okay. So it was kind of, I always loved the power of words.
I didn't have a lot of money when I was younger, but I found a love of reading I could escape and you can learn so much just through the power of a book yes it definitely is a superpower if you can really get your head in the game of reading and then and and so you know having a book and I've written books before for younger but then I thought oh I'd really like to do a series of for older but for everyone because I'm a reader myself it doesn't matter what you know age bracket is meant to be in and so having you know this series come out and be a success I'm like I'm so grateful you know that dreams do come true this is a dream come true but and lovely to share it with you you're amazing why you say that well look to everyone listening at home you know you don't know me very well and I don't know you listening but you know and I don't know this lovely lady Kale very well but in the few minutes that I've she's telling me about herself you know and feel free to edit this out but i'm hearing my goodness what a strength of a woman to you know have all these children bring them up be a businesswoman educate herself show interest look beautiful i'm like wow that is really inspiring but so slay you you are like the icon behind girl power you're the originator of this right like you have taught young girls that you can do all the things you can be a mom you can be a pop star you can be an author you can be educated you can be all of that yeah I think we all learn from each other if I can see it we you know know, we can be it. Yeah.
And, you know, so I was always watching television and thinking, you know, American television, watching the A-Team. You probably, you're not old enough to remember that.
But I always firmly believe that books or movies or music just brought me up and inspired me. So wonderful that, you know, people think that of me, but actually it's just a baton that gets passed on.
Have you ever read By Any Other Name by Jodi Pico? No, is it good? It would be right up your alley, I feel. Yeah, By Any Other Name? Yes.
Okay, can you write it down? You absolutely need to read it. Okay, I love and recommend.
Based on the history lesson of Henry VIII and, you know, women. And you talked about how he was like 55 and he married a 15-year-old.
Very, by any other name would be right up your alley. Okay.
Yeah, I think you would really like it. So your first ever book was in 1998.
Yeah. And that was a memoir.
Yeah. What has it been like transitioning from writing memoirs to children's books to now fiction i think so i i tell you what was the game changer for me there was this book called the artist's way right i don't know what she like everybody in this three people have just nodded going I know this book and actually four people have nodded I know this but five people have nodded I'm the artist's way I read that book and it changed my life because I followed it to the letter and it gives you a for those who don't know it gives you a series of instructions to really awaken the artist in with you if you want to pivot, if you want new direction, if you want to find out what's inside you.
I really firmly believe the answers are within you, all of you, whatever path you want to take. And I read this book, did the challenges, it makes you sort of awaken.
And so I wrote my first children's book this was very young children you know this is seven years six to seven year olds and I thought there's a gap in the market yeah so I did Eugenia Lavender it did very well okay bit of a gap and what I loved about writing you can do it anywhere when your kids are at school or you know if you're traveling it's not you know it doesn't tie you down you can still and you get really to to be you get to be the boss yeah you know which is fantastic in so many ways and so to be able to you know to develop just through experience you know it's just it's really a wonderful thing yeah and how have your have your fans from you know I guess from where you started in music to now sort of followed you into your reading and writing journey I have to say they have yeah because one the sort of genesis is always the same in me because you know i want the story to inspire you but i mean rosie frost is a page turning adventure you know for any because of my reading myself i feel very very like i it's a i've got to it's paramount of importance to me that it's page ternary but there's, there's something, I'm a curious person. I'm nerdy.
I like facts and all of that, just a little bit. But, and then there's a little bit of love there, but you invest in the characters, you know, Rosie and Jackson and Bina and Charlie and Otterly.
She's just like a sleigh queen. You just think, I love you.
And she's funny, but they all have an arc and you process things through them and escape with them. So I feel very responsible as a reader myself to make sure that you feel held and heard and you can't put it down absolutely but then also to give you value in the back of the book you've got a song so if you were a fan you know of my previous you know incantation then you're gonna get some music in there just for you you just scan it i do love as a reader when books have like a playlist at the end or some kind of song that just it just adds an extra layer a little elevated what's your favorite book oh uh the nightingale i haven't read that oh yeah it's a world war ii historical fiction okay yeah nightingale um by any other name which is by Jodi pico and that's also historical fiction and then i also loved wild dark shore just came out okay historical fiction is brilliant and that's how i got you know entry into this kind of genre is because i read the other berlin girl okay and she philippa gregory is like the sleigh queen of that genre but what i try to do with rosie frost is in it's set in present time right but the heritage of her background the school where she's at has got all if you like history it's all in there yes you want a little bit of science or it's all in there but it's murderous yeah so you keep page turning for whatever reason suits you yes so what do you there's a third book coming yeah so we yeah i'm in it already i'm yeah yeah how do we feel about that do you see it becoming like a tv series a movie anything like that very exciting i'll circle back when i'm you know when i can okay well that's exciting news right and how do you balance all of it between you know motherhood and you know everything else that you're doing and then writing too because as you said you can do it anywhere but also to i've written books and sometimes it consumes you right like because you're like all i can think about is what's next in the novel so how do you how do you balance all the things i think as um i think it's letting letting going of it letting go of it perfectly sometimes a bit of discipline you know getting up and no matter what just meet the you know the page at nine o'clock in the morning and then you know and so really using the time for a few hours, you're at your desk, phone outside, and that's no distractions.
Yep. Then sometimes you're going to get inspired.
Yes. I think I've become much more guarded of my time.
Okay. You know, I'm not going to have so much.
I mean, you've got a lot of children that want your attention yep I've got and I love being a mother so you know to to show up for them and for myself my artists within me to feel satisfied just takes I think it takes a bit of practice to juggle it all yeah you just think okay and also forgiveness when you sometimes you're not going to get it perfect. Yeah.
Do you think that you have included pieces of yourself in your characters or pieces of your family? Definitely. But all people around me, it's like being, I think it's like being a chef that you sort of take, oh, I'll take that person, Bina, the character in there.
She's a little bit of my, someone that I know and then someone else I know that this child that I know yeah um but so you keep the anonymity yeah um you can't help it you can't help it but fundamentally I think there is a level in all of us that is the same this is a generalization we all want to be loved right and heard and even in the best of us is a's a little bit of, you know, there's the worst of us. And in the worst of us, you know, there's a little bit of greatness too.
Absolutely. So I sort of make, try and make well-rounded characters that we can all connect with.
And I love that. And you watch their journey and surprise and cry when they die.
Yeah, no, worst I hate when that happens yeah they've got to though that's yeah they have to someone you have to make the you know someone always has to die yeah you have to cry in a book and I always endeavor to make you cry and laugh and laugh out loud there's bits in it that I'm like, I was muttering with humor when I was like a certain chapter. I'm like, that's quite amusing to me.
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Mize Chevrolet, together we drive. Did you know that you always wanted to be a writer? Like when you're going on world tours and you're, you know.
Before, I would say, like I was studying English literature and then my path took another way, but I did contemplate at one point being a journalist okay so I did think

about it and it was always useful you know with you know within the band to contribute in that level I found it really you know I could give authentically you know the power of words and ideas right you know sort of that landscape of it I really enjoyed that bit you know whatever it came to.

Yeah.

You know, whether it was videos,

you know, your storytelling

within a song is like a a coffee shot of a story whereas a book is just a longer feast did you share any of the same and like did any of the girls that you toured with or other celebrities that you met along the way share the same interests as you with like writing and books and things I'll tell you who gave me the first piece of advice. Do you know who Dawn French is? She's a

comedian. Okay, no.
She was in French and Saunders. She used to be in, what did she be? She's really

good. If you look at Vicar of Dibley, she's really funny.
Okay. And she's so clever and brilliant comedian she told me leave the phone outside that was the first bit but I love I love sharing like love of books yeah other people you go what did you think of that bit yeah a good one yeah what is your favorite book of all time would you say it's so hard to say I mean you must have that thought a lot because ones that stay with you like for example uh lion the witch in the wardrobe i read that as a child amazing but then i've you know in my 30s i remember reading the book thief okay and that it that was so different and incredible and then i I read, and there's surprise,

a hamlet.

Have you read that?

Okay.

That's,

oh my God,

that makes you cry.

You need to read the nightingale.

Okay.

But sometimes I think,

oh my goodness,

do I really want to cry tomorrow,

tomorrow,

tomorrow.

That's another one that will make you cry.

I think you,

I feel like you love crying.

No,

I don't,

but then I don't want to lie.

I picked one up the other day and it started, it felt a bit different. I thought, no, I'm just going to watch a comedy.
Thank you. Either laughing or crying, no in between.
Yeah, it's extreme. Do you have a favorite comedian? Do you know what? I'm going to say this.
I'm watching the studio, Seth Rogen. Yes, he's so funny.
He's so funny. He's so funny.
funny so i didn't like forgive me seth but i had no idea how funny he is have you met him no oh you should we should be nice i don't know i've never met him but he seems like he would be nice he can't he's brilliant have you met any i don't think i've met any comedians now that like because normallyians are like, they're normally a little bit not as funny when you meet them. Yeah, I always wonder that because I feel like comedians.
They're storing it all up, the nuances for that moment. They got to make sure their joke's it, right? Yeah.
Yeah, that's so funny. So what is your favorite hat to wear, right? Like you, I know that you are all the things, but what is your favorite hat to wear? Or can you pick one you are all the things but what is your favorite hat to wear um pick one I mean they're all like Batman suits I don't know what does your tattoo with a B mean my one of my twins um his name is a verse and he verse yeah yeah and why did you call him verse I just love that name it's I guess that word verse verse like from the bible verse verse yeah so I this wonderful woman in Australia made I guess what they call them jumpers like a sweater she hand knitted it yeah and it said his name on it and it had little bumblebees on it and so ever since she gifted that to me I associate like I think of bees when I think of verse and I think of verse I think of bees and I just love them I think they're so cute and how old is verse he's one oh my goodness and the twin valley valley valley and verse did you know that you were going to have twins I found out I was going to have twins right away but I thought they were both going to be boys.
Interesting. But this is two eggs.
Two eggs. Yeah.
Okay. So that means it's in your family.
Yeah. Well, it's in my family.
And also I know it doesn't come from the male, but he also, his mom's a twin. I didn't know that.
Yeah. So it does come from the mom's side.
A lot of people think that if the dad has twins, it's genetic, but it's not. It's not true.
Yeah. It's mothers um and so we have them in my family and he has them in his which is really weird oh my god yeah yeah amazing yeah so we have our little verse you're like you're like the waltons i don't know what that means oh my god you need to go and look back at american history okay the w The Waltons.
Do you think we'll make history?

Potentially.

I hope so.

Yeah, of course you're making history.

Okay, ask one of your friends.

Okay. His mother's or, you know, relatives that are slightly older.

Okay.

About the Waltons, right?

And they will know exactly what I'm about to say.

And they went, goodnight, grandpa.

Goodnight, grandma. You know, and they all said said and there was about seven of them the kids there's seven kids i have seven of them okay yeah so that's what i think you need to go and watch it just google the waltons okay i'm going to that'll be my on my drive home i will it was always a very loving family experience okay i hope that has a warm place in my heart the waltons okay and are there an american family yes oh it's a big american tv show i don't think i used to watch as a little girl and they lived up on this valley so valley inverse yes and um it was just very charming but they you know you'd face they'd face their adversities together.
When you say you grew up watching it, so did you live in the UK and you just toured here? Or did you eventually move here? No, I lived in the UK, but we all had American television. Oh, you did? So why don't we get like the BBC? Well, you can now.
But we had things like the Waltaltons the a-team um like we were flooded charlie's angels okay we were flooded with american television oh and then we'd watch these movies and back in the day you only had a few channels and you'd think america ghostbusters and you'd see new york and think wow yeah but when you actually got to New York, how did you feel? No, it was still really charming. Do you know what it was? I remember because I'd only ever seen America on big movies.
Right. You know, yellow cabs or big limousines.
You have this idealization of what it's going to be. But I remember when I first arrived in Los Angeles and I saw a limousine, I was like, wow, this was when limos weren't, you know, so available.
Now everyone gets a limo just for their birthday party. What do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, for sure.
But then it was like a big deal. And I saw it and I was like, oh my God, I felt like I was in a movie.
Did they not have that in? Not really It was a very much more American culture, I think. So the difference between, I guess, the celebrity world here and in the UK is very different? I don't know.
I think you start to sort of homogenize and merge into one. But I would say back when I was younger, there was a much more, it just felt very, very adrenalized.
And it felt really optimistic and we can do it. You know, so I was brought up with that energy watching it and thinking, yeah, that's it.
That's the dream. Yeah.
Fame. There was a TV show called Fame.
Okay. You need to look at these programs they're american they're your heritage yeah fame is another one okay i'm gonna look it up that'll be my homework on the way home yeah totally it's got a really good soundtrack we're all about the music have you been on book talk lately do you get on book talk no i i haven't been on it lately okay so i know you're on goodreads the books are on goodreads i don't know if you're on Goodreads but I did see the books on Goodreads so they're definitely there but I was gonna say I think BookTok has really taken off and really helped authors with getting their books out to new audiences and so I was gonna ask what you thought maybe the reaction to your books has been on BookTok but I can let you know i can can you let me know

absolutely i can i can um because i know that rosie frost the first because this is a duology right now but it will be a trilogy yes and book one was a new york times bestseller yes how did that feel what did you say when you got the news i was it's like mind-blowing yeah and extreme gratitude

I just feel incredibly

grateful that

you know this it's connected that's all you can hope for yeah because it's very exposing and um and you just go for it yeah but for when people connect it's just so rewarding yeah it's really nice and i'm sure you have people of all ages that come to your signings because they know a lot of you know people my age knew who you were growing up and then we're also having kids and explaining to our kids who you are but then they know you as an author not as a pop star yeah and so that's kind of cool yeah it's very cool and so but i try and write books that if whatever is ageless, timeless. For sure.
So you. I could read it.
My 15 year old could read it. Yeah.
A good reader, 10 year old could read it, but also a 47 year old could read it. Anyone can.
Yeah. And you'll get what you need out of it.
If you just want page turning fast adventure, that's it. But if you want, you know, nerdy factors in there in there yeah if you want relationship like you're gonna cry or kiss it's in there not the first kiss i can't the first kiss is in there yeah period the fear which is my oldest is around that age okay the first kiss is in there okay well i'll let them know yeah here you go it sort of touches on it in a very, I'm quite proud of the way it touches on love.
Just very gently, that confusing time. And actually what it says in that 14-year-old, she's just turning 14, it's the age of power.
And we go through different chapters in our life where we suddenly go, do you know what? This is a new chapter. I'm reclaiming it i'm i'm owning my identity and that can happen whether you're 14 27 35 you know different periods and we all go like okay this is a new phase right yeah no i think that's relatable for everybody and i think we all change sort of not identities but we go through that throughout our lives evolution yeah exactly i think it's not true um so we briefly touched on a third book in the works which is really exciting but what do you think the main difference is and i sort of already touched on this but what do you think the main difference is between writing a memoir like were you writing real life things that were happening as they as they were happening and then this was like you're setting deadlines for yourself and it was a little bit different um there is a saying you can either write on they call it pants or premise i said do you know this yeah yeah and so and the first book i was just um the first rosie i was just writing you know by the seat of my pants I didn't really plan okay I did plan character that always stayed the same but the actual premise I kind of knew and then with book two with experience another author said to me why don't you just write an outline first but I always knew and I know what my ending is for the end of book three I always knew that from the beginning okay and and you put yourself in and you know but then there is structure and you become attached to the characters yeah whereas I think an autobiography is much more in certain ways a cathartic experience.
Do you know what I mean? It's just like this happened and you're processing as you do it. And I did that many.
I mean, it was a quarter of a life. I was only 26 when I went to do it.
So you've done it too. And I always think actually when people come up and say, oh, I went through that too.
That was useful. And that's quite nice, isn't it?

Yeah.

Has anything that you experienced both, I guess,

as a pop icon,

but also writing the memoirs shaped the way

that you shaped your characters?

Yeah.

There is something in here that I put in all the way through,

actually, and that is about grief. Okay.
So if you want page turning adventure that's it you're gonna get it right but there is a little bit of i call it iceberging subtext to the character rosie frost she's lost her mother and we know lots of orphans in different stories but actually she you see you feel her process losing her mother and um and if you ever experience grief like I did when I was younger my dad died when I was young and I had this constant feeling that I didn't know how to process and everyone's quite in the west quite conservative quite modest about their feelings whereas in the east they were very much about you know everyone passes and how you process it and so i had this sort of contained feeling within me that i felt quite stuck when i was younger and so looking at that i put it in the book that you know rosie she's going through that feeling of like she's quite angry actually and she's sort of really trying to put a lid on it and uh so i think everything is copy everything is useful right you know whatever you've experienced with your your own child in your beginning and what the subtext of this is also is that and in book number two and it says one of the characters jackson he's kind of a bit of a love interest and he comes from a different kind of you know heritage family and he says isn't it interesting you know we have all these backstories and it doesn't matter who you are you know whether you're the duchess or the dustman it doesn't matter we all have a backstory right from our from our families you know what we've inherited and the truth is is our conditioning of of our environment whether we're going to pull the trigger on it on whether it's going to get triggered right right and so and and and it sort of really like shows that up for example she's acting on revenge she wants revenge for her mother's murder and she sort of doesn't act in the best way and then she's got this like icky feeling afterwards now okay so that's in that adventure now i'm looking at you and you were telling me you a little bit about your story and i'm i think you've been quite open about it now i'm looking at you as a woman we don't know each other that well but i'm thinking okay here is a woman that she's had seven children okay you told me that you you don't have a mother an active mother in your life and you didn't really have one okay yet and you had a child at 17 yet you managed to turn your poop to fertilizer as in whatever was going on and look at look at you now look at you now I love that metaphor yeah look at you now you are a slaying awoman, a brilliant mother, and you look great. Thank you.
Yeah. And so you haven't, you've actually, you pivoted to what your, how would you say, the conditions that could have triggered somebody else into a different path.
Yet you've gone, nah, I'm going to make something great.

And that's amazing.

And we're all learning as we go.

Rosie Frost, she goes through those.

It's very real what happens to her.

She's angry.

She acts badly at a moment and then suddenly goes,

do you know what?

This doesn't feel good.

That's relatable.

That's relatable.

So I try to make it a very modern story right although it's like heightened realism in certain ways but actually all the feelings and everything she goes through is real right but in order to create a character like that or maybe recognize that in me would you say that you had to you also face adversities yeah absolutely we all have to in different shapes and forms. Every single one of us that's listening, you, me, everyone, we have, we get presented with different challenges.
And someone said to me, those challenges in our life, they are qualifiers, those obstacles, but that, okay, what am I going to do with this? How bad do I, how, how, how bad do I want this or you know what am I going to do with this how bad how how how bad am I do I want this or you know what am I going to do with this right am I going to let it define me or or I'm I'm going to let it shape me in a positive way right so I can imagine that you probably experienced a lot of that too just going through everything and being as famous as you were your whole life like that had to have presented its own set of challenges yeah I think it just it puts a microscope on all of us right it just just it just presents itself differently do you think that with the rise of social media could you imagine have having been as famous as you were growing up or I guess not growing up up. I mean, that is tricky, isn't it? Because everything is documented, isn't it? Yeah.
At least, and not to say that it wasn't hard, right? But like thinking about, you know, maybe Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera, a lot of their early struggles with fame, I would say, struggles or challenges rather, you know, and same for you and the Spice Girls and you know, everybody they It's not not everything is on video. Maybe like a Tabloid or something.
I don't know if you think it is harder or do you think it's I don't know Here's the truth. Like if you ask like Like you're a great grandmother Right and look at you know where she came from and she looks at the world

it just keeps on turning and moving and evolving right that is a guarantee the world is going to change whether we like it or not right right and so you know even from where she started in 1901 or whenever it was

or 1940 something

and looking at now

you know, the way the Industrial Revolution changed, you know, from not cars to having cars to having a computer, that was fast. And then we've, you know, we're just progressing and moving.
I would say it has its blessings and curses. Just think this now so you and I we're having a nice conversation we're processing something and we are able to share that you know and make the world a little village or a little chat yeah do you know what I mean if it wasn't for digitalization, this would not be happening.

Right.

So that is a blessing.

Absolutely.

That's a beautiful thing.

Yeah.

And I think it's just,

we're all just learning and choosing

how the world's gonna shape us.

And we'll suddenly go,

do you know what?

That works, that doesn't.

It's a bit like sugar and cigarettes.

Do they not go together?

Well, think about it.

When they first came out

no one really you know they didn't come with a label. Everyone that I've met from the UK is so much more polite than Americans.
Oh really? Yeah. They're calling someone darling and then you sat right here next to me and were asking about me.
That would never happen with an American. Really? No! Well maybe that's just, you know, is that confidence?

Me? asking about me that would never happen with an american really no well maybe that's just you know is that confidence maybe i don't know maybe no but i don't think anyone that i've ever interviewed has been like that like really am i the first british yes no i had another author on who's british um alice feeney she writes um suspense thriller novels i had her on pretty recently I loved her she was again one of the sweetest women I've ever met I just love everyone I think I'm going to move to the UK I think I'm going to move there I'm very proud of the um United Kingdom but what I will say about America I think I feel like we're cousins cousins. So we have this sort of connection.
And obviously, you know, we all, you know, have history and we all can be idiots at different times. None of us have behaved perfectly, but we're all still connected.
You know, that there are good bits that we feel. I feel like Americans and Brits, we're cousins.
Okay. I can get behind that.
And there's some amazing bits that we learn from each other and love each other for. Sure.
You know, so. Well, I just love it.
I might be British. I think I'm British.
I'm thinking you're a bit Scottish. I am.
Are you? Yeah. But like a bit Scottish.
Okay. Yeah.
It's like Scottish English. Do you do your thing? I did Ancestry and 23andMe.
I did both. Okay.
And which one's the best one to do? So 23andMe has the health aspect that you can do. So it'll give you like what your percentage of likelihood to be allergic to certain things or what type of body type you have.
Or do you think it was helpful? I do because now that I, so I just recently had had a breast reduction surgery okay i'm gonna get back in the gym and it sort of gave me like my body composite composition my body type and so that gives me insight to how i should work out to be in the best shape which is super helpful um it just has like cool fun facts in there um i'm terrified of having alzheimer's so it gives me like my likelihood of that so i definitely think 23andme 23andme yeah and the other one is ancestry so that gives you more about that one's more like building your family tree and seeing who you're related to like i think i found out from there that i was like benjamin franklin yeah so that's kind of cool it is but um i um yeah so they're both cool for different reasons just do both honestly just do both it's cool and you can connect with relatives can you yes oh my goodness like i found cousins on there that i didn't even know actually found out recently like i went down a whole rabbit hole about like my dad who's maybe i shouldn't be lowry my last name is lowry but maybe i shouldn't be lowry so there's a is Lowry, but maybe I shouldn't be Lowry.

So there's a lot of drama on there

if you are wanting to open that can of worms.

What it's saying to me

is that one, we all want to connect.

Yes.

We want to feel connected,

but we also want to feel our own identity.

Rosie Frost is all about that.

It's all about that.

And there's a whole family tree in it. Okay.
And she she's sent to that island bloodstone island and her mother's died she doesn't know who her dad is that's you know that's quite a modern question yes right and she's she's she's wondering actually in book two she's going who's my dad well that's my dad i met my dad when i was 17 okay there you go She's wondering because we want to think, oh, who are we? Who am I? Who am I connected to? Those are natural questions that we can all ask ourselves. I'm learning ultimately you have the truth inside of you.
Of your own wisdom and your own answers. They're all in you.
Yeah. Don't you think? No, I agree.
I think it's a little bit hard getting the answers but i think we have them you have them yeah because i what is it because there's so much noise think about it i would say so if you got all you know lots of children and work and this and that and that so i get quiet and go okay what does my heart feel here yeah yeah sometimes it's hard to get there lots of therapy years of therapy you know well done you well done you thank you you have all these books i'm so excited for the third one that's really exciting we actually went out and got um the first book today we went thank you yeah because i was like i'm gonna do um i have an online book club so we're gonna give them away but book two. We didn't have book one.
So it's like, we can't just give away book two. We have to give away the set.
Okay. You know what I mean? Very good.
I like this book club. Yeah, feel free to join us for book club anytime.
Thank you. What's the name of your book club? Chapter seven, because I have seven children.
Chapter seven. You know what my mother says, right? She says it, and she's Spanish.
And she she says to me every time there's something might not go as utoped she go and this is forgive the spanish action she go chapter 17 move on i'm like okay are you bilingual i can speak and get by if we were lost okay a little bit that's cool i didn't know you were spanish a little bit yeah i'm a i'm a cocktail yeah of many things i have that's what i'm interested in doing um the ancestry thing you should do it they used to have a show i had um tamara on and she did it she went on a show um where they do all of that for you which i thought would have been really cool because you sometimes you get stuck when you like go down the on ancestry there's like these like leaves that you add to the tree and it's like all the people and sometimes you can get stuck or maybe there's someone with the same name in number two okay so there's a there's there it's called a futurology exhibition okay and it like this a very very big investor of the the school and the island okay he's a multi billionaire you know trillionaire they look at they're doing a competition who comes up with different ideas scientific ideas and it's not the main story but it's just one chapter of it and there's one girl called Bina and she does exactly what you're talking about that you take it from one hair just from your genetics and can absolutely reveal the lot for you and some that's so cool we're all interested aren't we in who we are yeah I just I would love for the me to come from like a really cool history like what I don't know maybe like a Scottish king or an English king of some sort why not but I so far I haven't found that but maybe one day maybe one day maybe one day would you ever write another memoir maybe part of me thinks god a lot has happened since that date that I wrote the first one so yeah but maybe because as we grow and evolve as people our

perspective shifts and hindsight is always 20 20 so maybe just like looking at it from a new lens yeah that's true that's true yeah that's a nice that's that's a that's a great way to say actually a new lens because I think when we go through something you know challenging we might be angry or resentful or not understand why xyz is happening but maybe 10 15 even 20 years down the line you're like wait i needed that for whatever reason whatever that reason maybe or maybe you're like i still don't understand and so sort of just looking back and reflecting on everything that you've done and maybe by then you'll have several more books under your belt yeah i just put it i all that you've just mentioned resentment anger which was the natural thing that um we feel yeah it's what we do with it right and so i just use it i use it for creativity so we can either go and i call it the ricochet of revenge right for example you did that so i'm gonna do that and then they're gonna do it back and it goes it goes and then there's that feeling of that resentment you mentioned is that someone said it's like drinking poison and expecting that other person to die so staying with it resentful who does it serve so how do you feel about karma then do you believe karma is real no I don't you know potentially I think I'm open to that but i think you know but allowing to letting go of that you know resentment towards someone right is of service to myself right you know because otherwise i'm in constriction and i can't i'm so like caught up in that i'm blocking actually what's's inside of me, which have other answers, other paths to lead. And the other person doesn't feel it, right? No, of course they don't.
What I will say is though, sometimes resentment is gas in your tank, but unfortunately it's short lived. You know that sort of, excuse me, that FU.
FU, I'm going to show you, I can do it. Right.
But actually it's a, it's a battery power that's going to run out.

Right.

So when I, when I'm fueled with something greater and bigger,

then I'm plugged into like the socket in the wall rather than the battery.

Right.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, that makes, like at first it might propel you,

but then what happens when that, when eventually you let go, then what?

And it's exhausting.

No, it's so exhausting. It's exhausting.
Resentment, hate, exhausting resentment hate anger all of it yeah it's absolutely exhausting to keeping it up absolutely it torches us more than it tortures the other person i would definitely agree with that um did you do audiobooks for these yes i did you audio my god did the audio for them yes i did okay because the number one did really the first book did really really well okay second one oh my good so i created like new characters a couple of new characters so i found myself in one sitting right you read it in one sitting no no no it took me about oh my? Oh, okay. In one sitting, so that was like three hours worth, and I'm reading a couple of chapters.
I did about four different accents. I went from, so forgive me, listeners of Audible, oh, my God.
Yeah. I do an Irish accent like that.
So I'll be like, Cale, what do you think you're doing? And then I went from, there's a there's a character called akiva okay right and she's just slay yeah and she's like oh my god kate what are you saying you're doing you're out of your mind kind of thing oh she's country yeah and then and then there was it's like my take on texas so forgive me yeah and then who else that was it there's a french mary curie and she was like oh my my God, what are you doing? We will find a murderer. But see, we love that.
I always ask for recommendations on a good audiobook that has the different accents, the different characters, like all of that. It's got that.
Yeah. Okay.
So for anyone that's listening that is a part of Chapter 7 Book Club, definitely check out the audio version of Rosie Frost series. Yeah, think that yeah i always feel like because i i buy books and i listen to audible i want to make sure that everyone feels like absolute like get they get their they get the full value yeah like a full experience yeah yeah so i think okay i'm gonna give it i'm you know all out there so i love that i think that the full experience whether you're reading it the book version or you know the physical copy kindle audible whatever you're doing you get a song actually with a book and the audible oh okay you just scan it i love that so before we do rapid fire you guys can buy the rosy frost series at barnes and noble amazon wherever you guys buy books you can also find it on audible so i highly suggest listening to the audio version so this or that i guess we could do for rapid fire i think okay go for it so you appeared as a judge on different tv shows which one was your favorite the rivals the x, or Australia's Got Talent? Actually, I'm going to go for something completely different.
Okay. Okay.
There was a show, okay, that I only had one season called America's All-American Girl. Okay.
And it only did one season. But it was actually quite a nice experience.
Like you loved it. Sometimes the process was good.
Yeah. Okay.
That's good to know. Do people still watch it? No.
Oh. Like they're not even replaying season one? I don't think so.
No, it didn't make it. Okay, so you've also acted.
You've done Spice World, Crank Highismo which one was your favorite gran turismo was amazing because i was in a scene with uh jamon who was in gladiator and i had to bring my a game okay yes that was like an experience and afterwards he went oh you really can act like he was like i i was like okay and I studied acting but I tell you what else that really was fulfilling was um I had a a scene in Sex and the City oh yes Phoebe Kittenworth and you loved it I did I remember being in the meatpacking district district and I had a scene with Samantha Jones and I remember looking because I've been studying acting and I was like oh my god I feel I just felt so grateful I looked up at the sky and I was saying I am loving my life right now I love that though yeah do you prefer the um like unscripted versus scripted or do you prefer acting what do you mean like for when you were judging and do i guess they were like more like a reality real life if i had to call it for me i prefer the i prefer being the painter than the paint i prefer creating okay than being so um but you know all they all have their mediums they're all useful it's all okay for sure yeah um they do they do you know, whether all have their mediums. They're all useful.
It's all okay. For sure.

Yeah.

They do.

They do.

You know, whether it's a really serious drama.

Right.

You know, Oscar winning.

That is important.

As is, you know, a piece of reality TV that's just light and fun and we process.

They all are needed.

It's like a salad.

Would you ever do judging again for like American Idol or the voice i think that market is crowded okay fair that's fair yeah favorite song to perform ever there's a song right that i once saw it was in a tarantino movie okay right quentin tarantino Quentin Tarantino movie and it's Django Unchained. Okay.

And Jamie Foxx, he- movie okay right Quentin Tarantino Quentin Tarantino movie and it's Django

Unchained okay and Jamie Foxx he is on a horse and he's like riding across did you say Django Django Unchained yeah I know I've seen that yes yeah do you remember when Jamie Foxx is on the horse yes and in the backdrop is a Jim Croce song called I've Got a Name right okay well I performed that song with um one of the Rolling Stones in his lounge yeah and that for me I was like oh my god this is that that's quite amazing yeah this is amazing can you tell us one thing that people don't know about you? Well, that's riveting. That's interesting.
Okay. I don't know.
I really feel confident at reverse parking. Okay.
It's really like random, isn't it? And I can speak German. You can? Well, not bad.
I can speak get by. I'm not fluent.
Okay. I can speak, get by German.
I love German. So German, Spanish, English.
A little bit, yeah. I love that.
So basically trilingual. I wouldn't say I'm there.
But enough. Close enough to get by.
I love German. I love that.
Okay. What's this British slang term for like, see you next time? anything that we don't say in America cheerio

cheerio cheerio that's sort of like quintessential that's from Mary Poppins um cheerio like what's

how they imagine what's his name yeah that's funny well on that note thank you so much for

joining us on Barely Famous podcast thank you you so much for having me. Well done, you.
Thank you. Well done, you.
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