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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry.

And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, y'all.
Welcome to Barely Famous. Thank you for joining me, Natalie and Macy.
I'm so excited to talk about the expired podcast. Very excited.

No, I'm so excited.

Macy and I were just talking.

We haven't seen each other in person in like six years.

We're a whole different people now.

No, truly.

And I feel like I know Natalie.

I don't know you.

So can we talk about this on the podcast?

Yeah.

Okay.

So you guys do the expired podcast together here in Chattanooga.

Yep.

How did you guys meet? Do you want to tell it or me go for it okay uh so I'm a radio personality here and I've been

doing it for years and we had an event where we had a semi-celebrity come into town at the lookout

stadium and she loves the games and she just she was just there and I went up to her and asked her

do you want to come meet this person that we that we have and she did and I took her picture and

Thank you. And she was just there.
And I went up to her and asked her, do you want to come meet this person that we have?

And she did.

And I took her picture.

And that was that, just trying to be friendly. And so then I just emailed her business account the picture.

And then a few months went by.

And then it was PCOS Awareness Day, September 1st.

And I didn't know it at the time, but I have PC pcos we all have pcos that is insane yeah not we're like bonding over this yeah it's trauma bonding yeah it's not you literally literally um so she was like can i come on the radio to see if we can get the whole town to be lit up teal for the you know pcos awareness did you. Shut up.
Did you guys do it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
She got the tallest building in Chattanooga. I busted my ass for that, like for months.
And I was like, what if I go down there and nothing's lit up? And it was? Yeah. It was awesome.
I'm going to do the same thing. I'm going to take a page out of Macy's book and I'm going to go back to Delaware and be like, hey, let's do this.
Yeah. Yeah.
So we did that. We did the radio thing.
And then we just stayed in touch like on social media. And then one day I posted, would anyone listen to a Chattanooga-based true crime podcast? And she comments, call me right now.
And so I called her and she was like, I'll be your co-host. Let's do this.
Let's do this together. And I was like, perfect.
Cause she's got TV background. I've got radio background.
We went to the same program at Chattanooga state just at different times. Yeah.
So we went through the same program. We had the same teachers, same degree.
Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.
That's so exciting. So then expired podcast was born.
Yeah. And I saw that you guys just celebrated two years.
Obviously that's so exciting. so exciting yeah and i immediately for those of you who don't know this entire production has ensued because i reached out to i think both of you at this like at this point and i was like hey i'm in the podcast world like let me i want to dabble into your podcast magic well because i think that what people don't know is the the best way for podcasts to grow is to go on each other's podcasts and so i've actually had scream queens on um the girls from morbid podcast which i'm obsessed with and um so i've had them on on my shows and so i was like wait a minute if you guys are doing true crime like we could definitely collab so that's how all of this even occurred yes and then obviously caitlin and tyler about to launch their podcast so i was like to just do a big crossover.
Okay. So you guys started the true crime podcast and you guys cover only local cases or do you kind of like dabble in everything? We did.
So in the first year, all of our, it's all Tennessee, like any Tennessee case. In the last year we've branched because in Chattanooga, it's like Tennessee, Georgia state line.
Like literally we are five minutes away from just being in Georgia. So this year we've done a few different North Georgia cases.
I think we're ready to like branch out. But at first it was like, you know, we live here so we can go investigate and research.
Like it's easy to like go to these places. Yeah.
But yeah, I feel like we're transitioning into more anywhere. No, there's so many ways that we could get – sprinkle in some podcast guests for you guys.
That would be really cool. It would be awesome.
It would be really cool. But – We also need like a few, even if it's's like from other areas it's actually preferred if they're from other areas but like expert with people that could be expert witnesses and stuff yeah no that would be really cool so is there a case that you guys have had that has like really just struck a how do you want yeah um the solomon case was really big what that was all about that one was our first um series series like where we did uh multiple episodes on the same on the same case and we got to interview the mother i don't want to give too much away because we're gonna so well people can go listen to this on expired podcast okay so it podcast So it's already out So we'll definitely I'll put that in the description Yeah that's a three part series And then I'd say that's the one we're going to tell you all about And you're going to shit your pants Probably multiple times I hate that And I've said this before to other guests I've had on Barely Famous I had Valerie Borleinin.
Are you familiar with her? I don't think so. She was right in the center of the Murdaugh murders.
Oh. And I had her on the podcast.
She wrote the book, The Devil at His Elbow. You told me this, yes.
Yeah. Holy cow.
And I had said to her, this was a couple months ago, but I was like, it's so fascinating to me how fascinated we are by true crime and like why the rest of us are just so like, I don't get it. Like why? Because we're all addicted to like ID channel and things like that.
But she would be a really great guest for you guys too. Yes, for sure.
She knows that case like the back of her hand. That one's fascinating.
It is. Agreed.
I'd say there's so much to unpack with it. The other ones that stand out, the one that we that were like it's ongoing right now um gavin anderson he was a 25 year old and this happened two years just over two years ago he was a healthy 25 year old kid that was found dead in his apartment and there's just a lot of stuff He was found dead in his apartment.
And there's just a lot of fucked up stuff.

He was found dead.

All the breakers were turned off in his apartment except for the air conditioning,

which was set to the lowest possible setting, and the refrigerator.

So things wouldn't spoil.

Slow the process of rigor mortis.

The only things that would still work were the refrigerator and the AC. And it was turned all the way down.
And the only two pieces of evidence the police took was his body and his phone. That's it.
That's really weird. They also, like there's body cam footage of his parents telling them that they want an autopsy.
Like even if they have pay for it they were told that an autopsy was done they approved cremation no one did an autopsy have you guys received any backlash for talking about cases like this because i feel like people were we piss people off we stay pissing off. Because they don't want to know that nobody wants you guys to discover any truths or find anything out.
Yeah. That's actually like fascinating but also heartbreaking because it's like let's not do shitty things and then there's nothing to be found out.
Exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah.
That's actually really sad. But I'm sure that the victims' families feel like you guys are giving a voice to their cases because I feel like so many cases, especially local ones, that don't make big headlines like the Lacey Peterson or Casey Anthony.
You want to know that your loved one matters just as much as the Lacey's and the Kaylee's. You know what I mean? And so that's no disrespect to them.
I'm just saying you're giving the local cases a voice and the victims a voice and hopefully trying to find justice for the family. Not trying to be hateful, but anyone with common sense knows that corruption exists to whatever degree.
But that's one of the things I've been the most just shocked. Like it is way gnarlier and like so much more of that goes on than anyone could ever fathom well i think a lot of us just think that it exists in movies like it's just for like drama on tv or drama and movies but when you see cases like the murdoch or the one that you guys are just gavin anderson you have you you're forced to see it right it's right in front of your face and you can't look away from it.
You have to acknowledge it. Yeah.
You can't pretend like it's like, oh, that was just a one. They just made a mistake.
Like, no. No.
And the spider web is a lot bigger than people think too. Like the trickle down effect you mean? Like how many people are actually involved and how many people are? And who's connected to who and who owes who this and who needs to be owed from somebody.
So, you know what I mean? It's like, it's a whole, it's just way, it goes way deeper and way wider than I ever thought. Like once you realize who's in it.
Yeah, for sure. Um, no their family, Gavin's family has been amazing.
And his friends like how we did a couple months worth of episodes on that and talking to his friends and family and like just calling people out on their shit. Like only one of his friends came on and he wanted to remain anonymous.
Why? I don't know.

Did he ever give us a reason? He kind of called himself out on social media and then, yeah. And then wanted to be anonymous.
It was weird. It was, that's actually really weird.
Go listen. I will go listen to it.
So now what? You guys do the podcast. You got, you have your family, you have your cats.
You guys – You also are a news anchor or – Radio personality. Radio personality.
Traffic reporter. That's really cool.
I thought that was so fascinating because I have no idea how – Like you just tap into the cameras and you get to watch them. So you could see stuff before anybody else sees it.
That's fascinating. It's so funny because I'll be like on the way taking my kids to school and i'll be like hey siri text natalie and tell her that's really foggy on chaliford road she's like and then i hear it on the radio all right uh be cautious of heavy fog on that's so funny i love that though you're like you have to give her the inside scoop before she takes the kids to school yeah like where's the I know there's an accident near one of her kids' schools, I'm like, hey, there's an accident here.
Here's an alternate route. I'll even give her an alternate route.
That's so funny. How are the kids? Tell me about them.
They're keeping us busy. Bentley just turned 16.
I saw that. Actually, my entire TikTok feed was about Bentley getting a car.

So I didn't watch it because I wanted to talk to you about it. What did he get and what was his reaction?

So he got a Jeep Gladiator.

Okay.

It's like really pretty bright blue.

Okay.

It's his favorite color.

It's not as cool as mine.

It's prettier, but.

You're like, I get the cool one. It's definitely mine's definitely better.
Um, his just looks cooler. Um, he is still playing sports.
Um, I feel like the first is, so he got his driver's license just a few weeks ago and it was a Monday and goes to school and Bentley Bentley's like, he's very much a homebody and like, doesn't really stay the night places, doesn't really have people stay the night. He like doesn't want to take friends on vacation.
He's like, I don't want to have to worry if somebody else is having fun or, you know, if they, you know, have, if they're picky about eating, he's like, I just don't want to worry about it. And I'm like, well, I mean, at least you're self-aware, you know? But yeah, gets his license.
It's homecoming week. We get rolled two times.
Rolled? What does that mean? Like TP your yard. Oh, toilet.
Oh, okay. I'm thinking like your Jeep rolled? Like I was very concerned.
No. Yeah, we got rolled two times that week.
I week i'm like what the hell he asked if a friend could stay the night on a school night which i was like yeah sure i was just like holy crap you're inviting there's so much happening in one week yeah i'm like what are you turning 16 and asleep yeah like get a driver's license to just live your best fucking life like knock it all out in one week week, my guy. Like what? Yeah.
So it's been crazy since he turned 16. That's insane.
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Jade is just the smartest human being I know. She looks like such a badass on social media and like wrestling.
My kids are also in wrestling. It's so great.
When I see girls, first of all, I asked to wrestle when I was a kid and it was no because it was a very, very male dominated sport. And so it was like, no, when I went up to the high school wrestling coach, he literally laughed in my face.
Like he thought it was, I was being dead serious. And he was like, like what? What? Yeah.
So to see now, um, like I saw Jade wrestle on social media before I got my kids involved in wrestling. So I didn't know that there were as many girls now as there are.
It's huge. Have you gotten backlash from that? Or do you feel like more people are supporting it? I think definitely more people are supporting it.
For sure. And even so, like just in the last two years, like it is – Picked up.
Girls wrestling is the top growing sport in america by bar like we'll save all of her stuff because i have a daughter now so i'm like hey do you have any old wrestling shoes for valley we do some cool ones too and some cute like like singlets yeah they are like oh i've had custom made ones already with like lux and creator um mexican so i put, the Mexican flag on the back. Yeah.
And then, like, they're badass. Yes.
Valley, she's going to have to wrestle now. Yeah.
No, it's literally my favorite sport. Like, and same for me.
So my brother wrestled, my older brother, and I was, I would play softball and volleyball, and wrestling season was, like, in between seasons for me. And I would have to stay in the wrestling room because my brother drove me to and from school.
And I was like, let me wrestle. And they're like, girls, it's not four girls.
And I'm like, but I would literally beat your 103. I mean, I'm not, but most girls I feel like are more flexible than boys.
Yeah. But I also, like my brother wrestled in college and I was like, I have to go home with this guy.
And he whips my ass. Like, I will beat your 103 pounder.
Let me wrestle. And I was like, no, girls can't wrestle.
I'm like, yeah, I can. So did Jade want to wrestle or did you kind of introduce her to wrestling? We were kind of already just in the wrestling room and at tournaments because of Bentley.

So they kind of naturally, it was like, can I go run on the mat? Like when they're little, you know, two and three years old. And it's like, yeah, sure.
Just take your shoes off, whatever. So they kind of just fell into it naturally.
Um, Jade, Jade definitely, I would say she, she at least acts like she likes it more than the boys. Cause it's really hard, you know, it's a really tough, very humbling grind.
And it's more of an independent sport, I would say than it is for like a, like you obviously need to show up for your team, but it's more. It's all on you.
Yeah. Um, and how much work you put in, but she, um, she at least acts like she likes it more than the boys.
I don't know if it's because she really likes it or she is very much a tomboy. And I think she likes to prove that girls can do anything boys can do.
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, go on sis.
Keep going. Yeah.
What is the dynamic between you guys with you not having kids and her having kids do you guys still get to do a ton of stuff together oh yeah oh we just went on family vacation Natalie's like my kids and even my nieces like she's their favorite person yeah yeah if if we went trick-or-treating together yeah if Nat's there like nobody, like nobody else matters. No, because my best friend doesn't have kids.
Kristen doesn't have kids either. And she's been my best friend for like 10 years.
And so I'm – it's so interesting because I feel like a lot of my other friends have kids or I meet moms through sports that my kids play. And so I always wondered like the dynamic between you two, especially for the podcast, like does it give you stuff to talk about too or no? She tells me about her and i'll tell her about my dating life okay so let's talk about your cats how many cats do you have two two you have a bunch of dogs too i have two dogs i heard one dog one dog i have saint alaskan malamute okay and then jiggy and jagger are my cats jiggy and jagger yeah isn't that awesome stop yeah oh my wait you have an alaskan malamute uh-huh are those aren't they like no that's not the ones that are really hard to train is it they're those they look like a husky but they're all white okay they can be kind of stubborn oh he's stubborn you guys and you also live locally yeah okay that's so cool so it works out you guys have a good dynamic and a friendship going and we even accidentally insta-cart shit to each other's houses all the time.
Oh, I love that.

Yeah. But at least you're close enough.
My best friend lives two hours away from me. So I'm like, if I accidentally Instacart something over there, just keep it.
We're screwed. Yeah.
At this point, it doesn't matter. Have you filmed for Teen Mom? Am I allowed to talk about this? Mm-hmm.
Okay. Yeah, it was on season eight.
Season eight. Yeah.
And we filmed the radio thing. That was season eight.

Yeah.

Then we had filmed a couple years, a little bit of the podcast stuff, but you know, it was one of those that didn't make it. Well, I just think it's important to show the audience of expired.
And also for anyone that's listening here, like we want to know who you are. You know what I mean? Like it's important for people to like resonate with you as well.
We don't, we know Macy, right? But we want to know Natalie as well. So I think it would be cool to like, I don't know, get to know her on a deeper level.
So MTV. She's pretty great.
Yeah. I don't know why we're editing those scenes out.
I love that. So, uh, Kristen came upstairs yesterday and I was in the massage chair and she goes, Macy nailed you right on the head.
She said, Natalie is the most chill, nonchalant. Non-problematic, no bullshit.
Don't care. So you mean you don't fall out with every single one of your friends publicly like I do? No.
Oh, okay. Just me.
Got it. Got it.
I feel like all of my friendship fallouts have been public and none of the other girls from the show have had that experience at all. That's interesting.
Don't you? Do you feel like that? Have you ever, have you seen kind of all my, I don't know what comes up on your feed, but. Yeah.
No, I've, I've, I think you're right about that. But like, we've all grown apart from people.
Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Yeah.
That's interesting. I do also wonder though, because your friends are always such a big part of the show, you know, versus like, I feel like a couple of my friends that were even filming, like when we filmed 16 and pregnant, like they'll make occasional appearances or whatever.
And people know them because they've been watching the show for so long. But I feel like your friends are a much bigger part of the show than everyone else's too.
And like a bigger part of your story. That's actually a really good point.
I'm going to go talk to Kristen about that afterwards. Can we dissect this for a second? Because Becky and I just rekindled.
And so that's sort of why I invited her on this trip. And I wanted to talk to you guys about like your friendship and working together and that friendship breakup made me sad did it yeah because I've known Becky before I just met her through you like in New York and stuff and I always really liked her and like her energy was just always genuine and like very light yeah like just I don't know she's one of those people that Like you can, you just feed off their energy.
Yeah. So I was like, oh no.

Like I. light.
Like just, I don't know. She's one of those people that like, you can, you just feed off their energy.
Um, so I was like, Oh no, like I really liked her. I really liked her also.
Do you feel like working together has changed the dynamic of your friendship at all or no? Yeah. What do you think? In a good way or a bad way? Or do you have a good balance? Like, I don't know that at all that we would as, like, close as we are if we didn't start working together.
That's true. You know? Yeah.
I would agree with that. We're just both – I don't know.
We just click. Yeah.
Like, even just from the get-go, again, it's like an energy thing. Like, it's easy for us to be around each other, whether we're working or having fun or on vacation.
And we're so different. we're very very different yeah we are kind of opposite cat lady kid lady yeah i feel like we learn from each other we like can just tell each other anything no judgment no bullshit yeah it's easy and how are you in a relationship or no no so how do you fit into like when you guys go trick-or-treating together Taylor also come? And also, how is Taylor? Oh, he's great.
I think I only met him once or twice. Really? Like, ever.
I think. Dang.
He's a cool guy. He's great.
He's a cool guy. He's all right.
He's like, I guess I'll stay married to him. They just, like, pretend to like me so they can hang out with Taylor.
They tolerate me. No.
Taylor's one of those guys like if somebody were to like have a bad thing

to say about him I would think

something was wrong with them

what did you do

you're not a good person if you're talking shit about this

innocent man yeah I already don't trust you

for sure that's so funny

it's kind of annoying though

cause he also like makes friends and I don't like

no new friends I don't like

I'm surprised I made it through

yeah it's hard

I'm surprised I made it through. Yeah, I knew it.
It's hard. It is hard when you get older.
I feel like especially being on a show that has run as long as this has, you have to wonder what people's intentions are and also, you know, where that – what that looks like. Yeah, I just really don't – I don't feel like I can hardly, I'm hardly keeping my head above water with all my bullshit.
Like I don't want to say like, oh yeah, I can be a great friend and handle all your bullshit too. Like I can't promise you that.
Have people from your kids' sports tried to befriend you and it just hasn't worked out or do you have like a friend group yeah we do we i would say we have pretty solid friends from our kids sports yeah um and they don't care like about the show or anything at all yeah that's i've actually found that too like the friends that i've made from my kids sports are definitely more unique than the other friends that i have not that they're better or worse Yeah. It also seems like it's, um, it's like you're in the same like phase of life.
So it's, it, I feel like the genuine connection can kind of happen around your kids first. And then you kind of get to know the ones that it's like, Oh wait, I could hang out with you like without our kids..
Right, right, right. And be that would be cool.
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Quince.com slash famous. I've just met another family at my Luxe's school and we were talking about like a Disney trip and like just having those little things in common, feel like are really nice but I also really envy some of my friends that don't have kids because I'm like I literally am run ragged.
Yes. Landed from Disney came right here and I was like what is I don't know which way is up at this point like what's going on? Every oh Natalie gets to like take naps when she wants to.
You get to just like hey I have to run to the store really quick and you don't have to worry about buckling seven kids into the car literally trying to figure out how to custom make a suburban so that the seats in the middle are not captain's chairs but like push together so there's like an aisle to get in the third row and i'm like what what is going on what can we do i don't know how you had – because Maverick and Jade are a year apart.

Yes.

Rio and my twins are not even a year apart.

So they're all one right now.

Dude.

It's the fucking –

They're like Irish triplets.

It's the trenches, man.

But who takes care of the animals when they're sick?

Me.

Oh, no.

What do you mean?

Kristen has six dogs.

Oh.

That's a lot.

So my best friend and you have that in common.

I love dogs.

I think they actually have a lot in common. No, they have a lot in common.
Alessandra also doesn't have kids yet. So, I mean, that's, I think you guys all have that in common.
We're kind of like their kids. They have to manage our schedules and get shit together for us and we just show up.
Make sure we even remotely have our shit together. No, that's so funny.
So what are the big plans for expired

podcasts moving forward? Grow the podcast.

Grow it. Explore more cases.

Explore more national

cases, maybe even international.

I mean, I'm down to go to Salem, Massachusetts

if you guys are. Yes.

That would be really cool. That would be

so cool. I told the kids that.
I was like, we're not going to

Disney next year. We can go to Salem because that's what

I really want to do. That would be awesome.
Like Haunted. Oh, have you been to the Reed House here? The what? The Reed House? Is it books? No, it's a hotel.
Like an old hotel. Is it haunted? There's a room there that's haunted.
It's legit haunted. The story is this woman named Annalise was found almost beheaded in the bathtub.
And they don't know if it was a boyfriend or a lover or if she was a sex worker, what the situation kind of was. But they only rent out the room.
We could probably get in there. I bet we could.
But they only rent out the room the month of October. And every night, it costs $666 to stay there except for Halloween night, which is $999.

You know, like the 666, flip it upside down.

It's gnarly.

I committed a B&E for the Dr. Perilson house in LA like two weeks ago.

I jumped the fence and I like went into it.

What is it?

Look up the case.

You'll be – this Dr. Perilson – Did you do this by yourself?

Kristen filmed it on her phone. But the cops came.
But I like jumped back over the fence. I fucked up my brand new Converse and I was pissed.
It was worth it. It's this murder mansion.
Dr. Perelson was an inventor and a doctor of sorts.
And where is this? In LA. LA.
Okay. It's actually right down the block from the Menendez brothers home.
Oh, yeah. And also the Black Dahlia dahlia's home oh shoot so i was they had like barbed wire but i found like a little gap so i climbed on top of the rental car and then i hopped the fence this is all on video i'll have kristin show you maybe don't air this on teen mom but like we'll put it on the podcast allegedly allegedly i did this allegedly yeah allegedly and i like got in because i was like i have to see this but he beat his wife to death with a ball peen hammer and then attacked one of his kids and then he killed himself in the house and then it's just been bought and sold like 10 times over since then but only one family officially lived in there after him and one of them died in the house oh my god We need to get like a paranormal team.
Yeah. Oh, I'm down.

Oh my gosh. We should just do like this haunted tour of some sort.

We should go on the Chattanooga ghost tour while we're here.

Oh yeah, that would be cool.

You can see underground Chattanooga.

It's crazy.

Underground?

Yeah.

Our city is built on our old city.

Yeah.

Pretty much.

That's actually really cool.

We have multiple areas like that too where they were purposely flooded. Yeah.
Purposely flooded for what? To build on top of it? Or to cover shit up. Like you go down into like say like a parking garage where you go down and you can see where like windows were at the bottom.
Yeah. Like we just put the parking garage right on top.
You can see all big deal. Boarded up windows.
It's crazy. Like it just never existed.
That's actually really weird. I kind of want to see it though.
Maybe we'll have time. Um, so you see it, you've seen Kate and Ty already.
Had you already met them? No, no. This was the first time.
Yeah. This whole trip is like a ball of first.
I love that. Okay.
So how'd the recording go? And I don't know what order they're going to air in. It was really good.
It was fantastic. They did a great job.
I'm so proud of them. They've already got something to bring back to every episode.
It's Blue Monkey. They'll have to tell you about it.
Yeah, wait until they tell you about Blue Monkey. Oh, I can't wait.
It's fantastic. When was the last time you had seen Kate in person?

June.

Oh, okay.

Late May, early June.

So do they still do Teen Mom reunions or not really?

They didn't do one this year.

They didn't?

Mm-mm.

I wonder why.

I should be the host.

You should.

Give me cue cards.

Yes.

I'm sure people, some of the cast members would not love that.

Oh, yeah.

But I could ruffle some feathers. I'm good at that.
Good TV. Yeah.
We're like TV gold. It's fine.
So when did you guys get together over the summer? Was it just for a personal trip? Me and Kaylin went to visit Amber in Indiana. Oh, how's she doing? She's having a rough go of it this year.
So she's doing the best she can, you know. Yeah, there's a lot going on.
And honestly, it's not really my place to say all the things. But yeah, she's had a rough go of it.
But honestly, I will say, though, because I'll call him out all day long. I'm sure you saw the press and all the things about her fiancé going missing.
Yeah, I saw that. Apparently, he just ran away.
Taylor calls him gone, Gary. Taylor, my husband, is the nicest but the most petty motherfucker on the planet.
Witty, if you will. But yeah.
Are they still you know, are they still together? No. They're not together.
I think he's engaged to someone else or something. I don't know this for sure because my memory is absolute trash, but I think I only met Amber one time.
Really? When we did the book tour together, right? Fresh out of prison. Oh, okay.
Yeah. Yeah.
And that was, I think the only time I, maybe I've seen her like in passing at a reunion, but I think that was the only like time I ever spent with her. And I, and Becky was with me on that tour.
Um, and we had a great time, but I see a lot of hate towards you and Kate for your support of Amber. Oh, for sure.
Yeah. And why? I don't know.
I don't really care. Okay.
You don't, you don't to spend time on that. I think based on what the audience sees, I can kind of understand a little bit of like how it could be perceived in such way.
But, you know, at the same time, it's like, well, that's on them, you know? Anyone's opinion on the type of friend I am or how I show up for my friend doesn't matter to me. You know what I like? I'm not going to stop caring and showing up for anyone that I love because you disagree with it.
You know what I mean? Like I have nothing but good things to say about Amber based on my time spent with Amber. She was so funny.
Obviously, this was literally 10 years ago. It was 2014.
So she's probably a different person now. But the time that I spent with Amber was always – I mean, Becky and I have funny stories that we still tell to this day that happened on that book tour.
So I can't ever – when I see the things that I see online, I'm like, I just – sort of like you, I don't care. But it also is interesting to me that people feel a type of way.
Yeah, because I feel like no matter what sort of tragedies or trials and tribulations that people go through, everyone needs a support system of some sort. And by support, I think that that also that could include people that don't agree with your choices but are still there to be a support system for you.
Yes. And I think that that also, that could include people that don't agree with your choices, but are still there to be a support system for you.

Yes.

And I think that is one of the things that's like almost never shown is that between the

three of us, like me, Kate and Amber, we will always be there for each other and support

each other.

But we are also the first people to check each other, you know, and be like, Hey, you don't have to do something about this or like, hey, that's not right. Like, what are we doing? Come on.
But maybe that's not public. Yeah.
It's like, it's like one of those things. It's like, it's almost like never show.
Um, and, and honestly it's, um, it could be because it's something that doesn't really happen on camera maybe, but I just, I feel like no everyone needs a support system right like you don't have to agree with what people do but you still need support yeah for sure and I think sometimes support looks like checking someone and and showing them a different point of view or um how maybe just how how they could alter their behavior a little bit. Yeah.
But without judgment or being hateful, like it's very possible for all of those things to simultaneously exist and all be true. But yeah, Kate and Amber and I, it's, we're like, we're more than friends.
It's like a family. Yes.
And it's so hard for me to describe to other people. Like, I feel like I haven't seen you in six years.
And you pick up where you left off. Because there's such a unique dynamic between, I think, all of us.
Yeah. And even the ones that we haven't seen in 10 years because of the show and everything else.
And so there is this, like, unspoken. We get things that other people could never understand.
Like there are so many things that I could talk to you about and it's like you a hundred percent understand and you get it and you know where I'm coming from and you've probably been there and done that a thousand times just like I have. Whereas I can talk to Natalie about it and she can be supportive and she can hear me,

but she's never going to understand it like ever. It's just such an extraordinary thing.
A unique relationship. Yes.
Unique friendship. That's just built on such a different, just not an ordinary foundation.
Agreed. very crazy and really special actually.

But we also, like, everything everybody sees on the show, there's like a thousand other things and so many other times that we're together, that we're talking. So it's not, that's one thing that does irritate me.
It's like, oh, they're just, they're just friends because the show or on the show. I'm like, no.
That's where it started. Right.
That's not where it ends. Yeah.
And I mean, at this point, me and Caitlin and Amber have known each other longer than we haven't. Oh, wow.
How old are you? 33? Wow. Yeah.
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Bentley turned 16. Yes.
Teen Mom franchise turned 16. How does that feel? I don't even know You don't know any different

I don't know how I feel because on one hand, I feel like I blinked and I got here. And on the other hand, I'm like, I feel like a billion lifetimes have gone by.
Yeah. You've been linked a hundred different people in the 16 years.
Yeah. I feel like I'm just now growing up.
Like how could he be? How could the show be growing up? I feel like life in our 30s is so weird too because just in general, without being a mom, we're learning all of the things that our parents and elders and like parental figures told us growing up and then we were like not listening to them. And now we're coming to the real in our thirties, not even in our twenties, not becoming a mom, not any of that.
It's like not until our thirties. And I'm like, I literally sound so dumb and I don't like my son is not listening to me.
There's no way he's going to grow up and be in his thirties and be like, Oh, mom was right when I was 16. It's so weird to be here in this place in life.
Yes. Bentley and I joke about it all the time.
Um,

cause I'll be like, you know, I'm going to say this. I know you're probably, you might take it in.
I hope you do. You might not, but A, B or C.
And I'll say, and trust me, when I was your age, my mom was telling me the same thing. And I was like, mom, shut up.
Like, you don't know what you're talking about. And I'm like, and now I'm like, my mom was right about every fucking thing.

She. Like, you don't know what you're talking about.
And now I'm like, my mom was right about everything.

Everything.

Everything.

I swear she hasn't told a lie in her life.

For real.

I'm like, oh my God, why?

She was right about everything.

I'm like, one day you're going to be like, damn, my mom was right.

What is it like to have a mom?

Do you have a mom?

Oh, you do?

Or do you have a good relationship with her? Yeah, she lives four houses down from me shut up what a dream that's what i bought 20 acres in delaware because i would love to have like a little cul-de-sac with all my children but i was like is that like tops a toxic boy mom or is that like no i think it's cool we're like we're doing the same thing with like my parents say their parents do they live close taylor's family actually is in texas but his

parents just retired but we bought a bunch of land and we're gonna all just build on it that's so awesome i love that what's it like having a mom amazing i love my mom so much do you have siblings i have a sister who's 26 years older than me i'm sorry what my sister was 26 when i was born 26 26? 26. We have different moms.
Okay. Same dad.
Okay. So my dad put my sister through college.
She was graduating from UGA and I was born in April. And he started all over.
Do you have a relationship with her? I do, but it's more of a, like, she's like my mom. Like, she could have been my mom easily.
But I would, like, go stay the night with her and shut up yeah becky is the youngest of five and i believe her oldest is also much older i don't know by how much but i always think it's interesting because i have you know isaac's almost 15 and then i have one-year-old twin well three one-year-olds at this point so like even that age gap is so crazy to me so that that's so interesting. And you have a brother?

Yeah, I have an older brother.

Just one?

Okay.

He's three years older than me.

Okay.

So you guys were kind of close and you guys went to high school and stuff together, which is probably cool.

Yeah.

We're super close relationship.

How is Bentley with Jade and Maverick?

Oh, they're super tight.

Really?

Yeah.

Bentley's really close with all of his siblings.

I mean-

How many siblings does he have?

A crab load at this point.

He's like Lincoln.

Lincoln has nine siblings.

Wow.

Yeah, Bentley's really close with all of his siblings. I mean- How many siblings does he have? A crab load at this point.
He's like Lincoln. Lincoln has nine siblings.
Wow. Yeah.
He's got Jade, Mav, Jagger, Stella, and then he's got a little sister on the way with Ryan and Amanda. So that's five or six? One, two, three, four, six.
He's the oldest of six. Yeah, I think that's what you said yesterday.
So he's 16 and his little sister will be born. I'm like, yeah, could you imagine having to like move out and take care of this baby right now? Wait, that's such a good one.
Wait, I need to say that to my kids. Yeah.
Because that's essentially what it is. Isaac won't touch the babies.
He loves his siblings. He doesn't want the spit up, the burping, the crusty face, the booger.
Like he's repulsed by it. And so like even if they hug him, he wants to check their hands and their face before they even touch it.
So I just laugh about it. What's going to be sticky? Yeah.
He's like if it's sticky, it's not for me. But that's so interesting.
So he'll – but I mean, I will say that I think between the generation – what is it? Gen Z? Are our kids Gen Z or Gen Alpha? Gen Z. Well, the older ones, I think – no.
Are they Alpha? I think your older kids are Gen Z and your younger kids are Alpha. 2025 starts a new generation also.
but what's really interesting is between you know us being team parents and then also gen z as a whole they just like don't want to have kids young let alone if any at all yeah which i think is we we've done our job but also i think society is doing its job as well yeah i think our kids are like wow everyone is so dumb. Like kids are hard.
Yeah. They're like, they're fucking hard.

Yes. doing its job as well.
Yeah. I think our kids are like, wow, everyone is so dumb.
Like kids are hard. Yeah.
They're like, they're fucking hard. That's what I like just being a cool aunt.
Yeah. No, I don't, when people on social, I see people on social media talk about how they don't want kids and they get harassed for it.
And I'm like, I love my kids to death. Like I would move the world for my kids, but I also understand not wanting to have kids.
And I also am like so proud of Isaac I'm like I don't you don't need to have kids right now like literally wait till you're 30 when you're starting to figure life out and you're starting to like understand all the things that I've been telling you for the past 15 years yeah then maybe think about it yeah so um I have to say too I absolutely love watching the um watch Isaac do the ASL Oh my gosh. So cool.
He's so cool. I'm like jealous.
Like I want him to teach me. He started a club at school.
Is Bentley a sophomore or a freshman? Sophomore. Okay.
So Isaac's one year behind. He's a freshman and he started ASL club because his new school that he transferred to.
How are the schools here? Because in Delaware, you can pick any school you want to go to. They just started that this year.
Um, at least in our County where you can choose where you go, but there's still like, uh, a capacity and you have to like be on a list and get it approved. Um, but up until this year you had to go where you were zoned unless your parent taught at another school.

Okay.

So the last school that Isaac was in, he had ASL class, like a class for it.

That's cool.

At the new school for high school, he wanted to go to a different school district.

They didn't have it, so he started a club.

That's so awesome.

And so he's not really a sports kid, but he's like a club kid.

So he does a debate.

That should get him to do sign language at concerts.

Oh, he- so he started a club that's so and um so he's not really a sports kid but he's like a club kid so he does that should get him to do um sign language at concerts oh he wants to be an interpreter which is a whole degree so he wants to do that's what he like wants to do but he's so he's does asl club debate club and then he just auditioned last night for beetlejuice which i was like that's so cool like you're old enough to be auditioning for something also he is like him and Bentley both have like great hair they do what is that because I didn't have that I have a cowlick

I have to style like very specifically right in the front of my head and mine's just like it's a

cowlick and it's just like flat and straight like I also feel like Bentley is the perfect mix of

between you and Ryan like it's so weird he stands next to you I see you but when he stands next to

Ryan I also see Ryan yeah it's very interesting how genetics are so weird it's fascinating

Thank you. between you and Ryan.
Like it's so weird. He stands next to you, I see you, but when he stands next to Ryan, I also see Ryan.
Yeah. It's very interesting.
Genetics are so weird. Fascinating.
Are you also like a not half sibling person? I get so mad when anyone refers to my kids as half siblings. Me, yep.
Drives me crazy. No step, no half.
No, they're just your siblings. They're just brother and sister.
Even the step ones are just siblings. Yes.
Because you grew up with them and they matter. Absolutely.
I love that. Well, I can't wait to continue seeing where Expired Podcast goes and I'm excited for the rest of this crossover.
It's going to be a good year. Where can people find Expired Podcast and where can people follow you guys on socials? Anywhere you download podcasts, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, Instagram at Expired Podcast.
423. Yeah.
423. And Natalie's post is my handle.
Perfect. And mine is Macy Deshawn Bookout.
It's Deshawn? I know. Isn't that crazy? I've been pronouncing it wrong for like- I call her Deshawn all the time.
Everyone does. Yeah.
Yeah. It's Deshawn.
Are you serious? My entire life, I thought it was Desha to Shane I think even like people that have been my best friends since like elementary school still say to Shane

yeah I want to get the backstory on that anyway well thank you for joining

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