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Speaker 8 Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 8 It's your fae villain, Kale Lower.

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Speaker 9 All right, y'all. Welcome to Barely Famous.
Thank you for joining me, Natalie and Macy. I'm so excited to talk about the expired podcast.
Very excited. No, I'm so excited.

Speaker 9 Macy and I were just talking, we haven't seen each other in person in like six years. It's, we're a whole different people now.
No, truly. And I feel like I know Natalie.
I don't know you.

Speaker 9 So can we talk about this on the podcast? Yeah. Okay.
So you are, are, you guys do the expired podcast together here in Chattanooga. Yep.
How did you guys meet?

Speaker 10 Do you want to tell it or me?

Speaker 8 Go for it. Okay.

Speaker 10 So I'm a radio personality here and I've been doing it for years. And we had an event where we had a semi-celebrity come into town at the Lookouts Stadium.
And she loves the games.

Speaker 10 And she had just, she was just there. And I went up to her and asked her, do you want to come meet this person that we have? And she did.
And I took her picture.

Speaker 10 And that was that you know just trying to be friendly and so then I just emailed her business account the picture and then a few months went by and then it was PCOS Awareness Day September 1st

Speaker 10 and I didn't know it at the time but I have I have PCOS we all have PCOS

Speaker 9 do that

Speaker 9 yeah not we're like bonding over this

Speaker 9 trolley bond yeah

Speaker 10 literally literally um so she was like can I come on the radio to see if we can get the whole town to be lit up teal for the PCOS and the city?

Speaker 9 Whereas, did you guys do it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 She got the tallest building in Chattanooga.

Speaker 9 I busted my ass

Speaker 9 for that. Like Vermont's.
And I was like, what if I go down there and nothing's lit up?

Speaker 9 And it was. Yeah.
It was awesome. I'm going to do the same thing.
I'm going to take a page out of Macy's book and I'm going to go back to Delaware and be like, hey, let's do this. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 So we did that.

Speaker 10 We did the radio thing. And then we just stayed in touch on social media.
And then one day I posted, would anyone listen to a Chattanooga-based TrueCrown podcast? And she comments, call me right now.

Speaker 9 And so I called her. And she's like, I'll be your co-host.

Speaker 10 Let's do this. Let's do this together.

Speaker 9 And I was like, perfect.

Speaker 10 Cause she's got TV background. I've got radio background.
We went to the same program at Chattanooga State just at different times. Yeah.
So we went through the same program. We had the same teachers.

Speaker 9 Same degree. Yeah.
Oh, that's awesome. No, that's so exciting.
So then expired podcast was born. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I saw that you guys just celebrated two years. Obviously, that's so exciting.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I immediately, for those of you who don't know, this entire production has ensued because I reached out to, I think, both of you at this, like, at this point.

Speaker 9 And I was like, hey, I'm in the podcast world. Like, let me, I want to.
dabble into do your podcast magic

Speaker 9 well because i think that what people don't know is the the best way for podcasts to grow is to go on each other's podcasts and so i've actually had scream queens on the Girls from Morbid podcast, which I'm obsessed with.

Speaker 9 And so, I've had them on my shows. And so, I was like, wait a minute, if you guys are doing true crime, like we could definitely collab.
So, that's how all of this even occurred. Yes.

Speaker 9 And then, obviously, Caitlin and Tyler are about to launch their podcast. So, I was like, We have to just do a big crossover.
Okay, so you guys started the True Crime podcast.

Speaker 9 And do you guys cover only local cases or do you kind of like dabble in everything?

Speaker 9 We did. So, in the first year, all of our it's all Tennessee, like any Tennessee case um in the last year

Speaker 9 we've branched because in Trattanooga it's like Tennessee Georgia state line like literally we are five minutes away from just being in Georgia so this year we've done a few different North Georgia cases um

Speaker 9 I think we're ready to like branch out yeah but at first it was like you know we live here so we can go investigate and do research like it's easy to like go go to these places yeah um but yeah I feel like we're transitioning into

Speaker 9 more

Speaker 9 anywhere. No, there's so many ways that we could get sprinkle in some podcast guests for you guys.
That would be really cool. It would be really cool.

Speaker 9 But we also need like a few, even if it's like from other areas. It's actually preferred if they're from other areas, but like

Speaker 9 expert people that could be expert witnesses and stuff. Yeah.
No, that would be really cool.

Speaker 9 So is there a case that you guys have had that has like really just

Speaker 9 struck a

Speaker 9 new one? Yeah.

Speaker 10 The Solomon case was really big.

Speaker 9 Sorry about that one. It was our first

Speaker 9 series. Series, like where we did multiple episodes on the same case.

Speaker 10 And we got to interview the mother.

Speaker 10 I don't want to give too much away because we're going to.

Speaker 9 Well, so people can go listen to this on expired podcasts. Okay, so it's already out.
Yeah. Okay, cool.
So we'll definitely put that in the description. Yeah, that's a three-part series.

Speaker 9 And then I'd say that's the one we're going to tell you all about, and you're going to shit your pants probably multiple times. I hate that.

Speaker 9 And I've said this before to other guests I've had on Barely Famous. I had Valerie Borline.
Are you familiar with her? I don't think so. She was right in the center of the Murdoch murders.

Speaker 9 And I had her on the podcast. She wrote the book, The Devil at His Elbow.
She told me this, yes. Yeah.
And

Speaker 9 I had said to her, this was a couple months ago, but I I was like, It's so fascinating to me how fascinated we are by true crime and like why the rest of us are just so like, I don't get it, like, why?

Speaker 9 Because we're all addicted to like ID channel and things like that. But, um, she would be a really great guest for you guys, too.
Yes, for sure. She knows that case like the back of her hands.

Speaker 9 So, that one, that one's fascinating. It is agreed.
I'd say there's so much to unpack with it. The other ones that stand out, the one that we're like, it's ongoing right now.

Speaker 9 Um, Gavin Anderson, he was

Speaker 9 a 25-year-old, and this happened two years, just over two years ago. He was recent.
A healthy 25-year-old kid that was found dead in his apartment. And

Speaker 9 there's just a lot of fucked up stuff.

Speaker 10 He was found dead.

Speaker 10 All the breakers were turned off in his apartment, except for the air conditioning, which was set to the lowest possible setting, and the refrigerator.

Speaker 9 So things wouldn't spoil.

Speaker 9 Yeah, slow the process and things.

Speaker 9 The only things that would still work were the refrigerator and the AC. And it was turned all the way down.

Speaker 10 And the only two pieces of evidence the police took was his body and his phone.

Speaker 9 That's it. That's really weird.
They also, like, there's body cam footage of his parents telling them that they want an autopsy, like, even if they have to pay for it.

Speaker 9 They were told that an autopsy was done.

Speaker 9 They approved cremation no one did an autopsy

Speaker 9 have you guys received any backlash for talking about cases like this

Speaker 9 because i feel like people would we piss people off we stay pissing people off because they don't want to know the truth nobody wants you guys to discover any truths or find anything out yeah that's actually like fascinating but also heartbreaking because it's like let's not do shitty things and then there's nothing to be found out.

Speaker 9 You know what I mean? Yeah. That's actually really sad.
But I'm sure that the victims' families feel like you guys are giving

Speaker 9 a voice to their cases because I feel like so many cases, especially local ones that don't make big headlines like the Lacey Peterson or Casey Anthony, like

Speaker 9 you want to know that your loved one matters just as much as, you know. the Laceys and the Kaylee's, you know what I mean? And so that's no disrespect to them.

Speaker 9 I'm just saying like you're giving the local cases a voice and the victims a voice and hopefully trying to find justice for the family.

Speaker 9 Not trying to be hateful, but anyone with common sense knows that corruption exists

Speaker 9 to whatever degree. But that's one of the things I've been the most just shocked.
Like it is

Speaker 9 way

Speaker 9 gnarlier and like

Speaker 9 so much more of that goes on than anyone could ever fathom. Well, I think a lot of us just think that it exists in movies.
Like it's just for like drama on TV or drama in movies.

Speaker 9 But when you see cases like the Murdoch or the one that you guys are just Gavin Anderson,

Speaker 9 you have you're forced to see it right, it's right in front of your face, and you can't look away from it. You have to acknowledge it, yeah.

Speaker 9 You can't pretend like it's like, oh, that was just a one, like that, they just made a mistake. Like, no, nope.
And it's, it's a lot, the spider web is a lot bigger than people think, too.

Speaker 9 Like the trickle-down effect, you mean, like, how many people are actually involved, and how many people are. And who's connected to who, and who owes who this, and who needs to be owed from somebody.

Speaker 9 So, you know what I mean? It's like, like, it's a whole,

Speaker 9 it's just way, it goes way deeper and way wider than

Speaker 9 I ever thought. Like, once you realize who's in it, yeah.
Yeah, for sure. Um, no, but their family, Gavin's family has been amazing.
Um,

Speaker 9 and his friends, like,

Speaker 9 God, we did

Speaker 9 a couple months worth of episodes on that and talking to his friends and family and like just calling people out on their shit.

Speaker 10 Like, only one of his friends came on, and he wanted to remain anonymous. Why?

Speaker 9 I don't know. Did he ever give us a reason?

Speaker 10 He kind of called himself out on social media and then, yeah, and then wanted to be anonymous.

Speaker 9 It was weird. It was that's actually really weird.
There's a whole listen, because I will go listen to it. It's a little weird, yeah.

Speaker 9 So, now what? You guys do the podcast, you got you have your family, you have your cats, you guys.

Speaker 9 You also are a news anchor or radio personality. Radio personality.
Okay, so you do traffic. That's really cool.

Speaker 9 I thought that was so fascinating because I have no idea how like you just tap into the cameras and you get to watch them. So you could see stuff before anybody else sees it.
That's fascinating.

Speaker 9 It's so funny because I'll be like on the way taking my kids to school and I'll be like, hey, Siri, text Natalie and tell her that it's really foggy on Chaliford Road.

Speaker 9 And she's like, and then I hear it on the radio. All right, be cautious of heavy fog on Chaliford Road.
That's so funny. I love that.

Speaker 9 You're like, you have to give her the inside scoop before she takes the kids to school.

Speaker 9 Where's the traffic?

Speaker 10 If I know there's an accident near one of her kids' schools, I'm like, hey, there's an accident here.

Speaker 9 Here's an alternate route. I'll even give her an alternate route.
That's so funny. How are the kids? They're good.

Speaker 9 They're keeping us busy. Bentley just turned 16.
I saw, I saw that every, actually, my entire TikTok feed was about Bentley getting a car.

Speaker 9 So I didn't watch it because I wanted to talk to you about it. What did he get and what was his reaction? So he got a Jeep Gladiator.
Okay.

Speaker 9 It's like really pretty, bright blue. Okay.
It's his favorite color.

Speaker 9 It's not as cool as mine. It's prettier, but.

Speaker 9 You're like, I get the cool one. It's definitely, mine's definitely better.

Speaker 9 His just looks cooler.

Speaker 9 He

Speaker 9 is still playing sports.

Speaker 9 I feel like

Speaker 9 the first, so he got his driver's license just a few weeks ago and it was a Monday and goes to school.

Speaker 9 And Bentley's like, he's very much a homebody and like doesn't really stay the night places, doesn't really have people stay the night.

Speaker 9 He like doesn't want to take friends on vacation. He's like, I don't want to have to worry if somebody else is having fun or, you know, if they, you know, have, if they're picky about eating.

Speaker 9 Like, he's like, I just don't want to.

Speaker 9 worry about it. And I'm like, well, I mean, at least you're self-aware, you know.

Speaker 9 But yeah, gets his license. It's homecoming week.
We get rolled two times.

Speaker 9 Rolled? What is that?

Speaker 9 Like TP'd your yard? Oh, toilet. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 I'm thinking like, we call it rolled. Like your Jeep rolled? Like, I was very concerned.
No.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we got rolled two times that week. I'm like, what the hell? He asked if a friend could stay the night on a school night, which I was like.
Yeah, sure.

Speaker 9 I was just like, holy crap, you're inviting me. There's so much happening in one week.

Speaker 9 You're turning 16 and a sleeping. Yeah,

Speaker 9 get a driver's license to just live your best fucking life, like knock it all out in one week. I guy, like what? Yeah, so it's been crazy since you turned 16.

Speaker 9 That's insane. Yeah.

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Speaker 9 Jade is

Speaker 9 just the smartest human being I know. She looks like such a badass on social media and like wrestling.
My kids are also in wrestling. It's so funny.

Speaker 9 So when I see girls, first of all, I asked to wrestle when I was a kid and it was no because it it was a very, very male-dominated sport.

Speaker 9 And so I was like, no, when I went up to the high school wrestling coach, he literally laughed in my face. Like, he thought it was a, I was being dead serious.
He was like, like, what? What? Yeah.

Speaker 9 So, to see now, um, like, I saw Jade wrestle on social media before I got my kids involved in wrestling. So, I didn't know that there were as many girls now as there are, which is huge.

Speaker 9 Have you gotten backlash from that? Or do you feel like more people are supporting it? And I think definitely more people are supporting it for sure.

Speaker 9 And even so, like, just in the last two years, like, it is

Speaker 9 girls' wrestling is the top-growing sport in America by far. Like, we'll save all of her stuff because I have a daughter now.
So, I'm like,

Speaker 9 hey, do you have any old wrestling shoes for Valley? Well, we do some cool ones too. And some cute, like, like singlets.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Well, I've had custom-made ones already with like Lux and Creed or Mexican. So I put like the Mexican flag on the back.
Yeah. And then, like, they're badass.
Yes.

Speaker 9 Valley, she's going to have to wrestle now. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's literally my favorite sport. Like, and same for me.
So my brother wrestled, my older brother, and

Speaker 9 I was,

Speaker 9 I would play softball and volleyball. And wrestling season was like in between seasons for me.

Speaker 9 And I would have to stay in the wrestling room because my brother drove me to and from school. And I was like, let.
Let me wrestle. And they're like,

Speaker 9 girls, it's not for girls. And I'm like, but I would literally beat your 103 pounder.
Or more, I mean, I'm not, but most girls, I feel like, are more flexible than boys. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But I also, like, my brother wrestled in college. And I was like, I have to go home with this guy.
And he whips my ass.

Speaker 8 Like, I will beat your 103 pounder.

Speaker 9 Let me wrestle. And it was like, no.

Speaker 9 Girls can't wrestle. I'm like, yeah, I can.
So did Jade want to wrestle or did you kind of introduce it?

Speaker 9 Did you introduce her to wrestling? We were kind of already just in the wrestling room and at tournaments tournaments because of Bentley.

Speaker 9 So they kind of naturally, it was like, can I go run on the mat? Like when they're little, you know, two and three years old. And it's like, yeah, sure, just take your shoes off, whatever.

Speaker 9 So they kind of just fell into it naturally.

Speaker 9 Jade,

Speaker 9 Jade definitely,

Speaker 9 I would say she,

Speaker 9 she at least acts like she likes it more than the boys because it's really hard, you know, like it's a really tough, very humbling grind.

Speaker 9 And it's more of an independent sport, I would say, than it is for like a team. Like you obviously need to show it for your team, but it's more.
It's all on you. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And how much work you put in. But she

Speaker 9 at least acts like she likes it more than the boys. I don't know if it's because she really likes it.

Speaker 9 She is very much a tomboy. And I think she likes.
to prove that girls can do anything boys. As she should.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Exactly. I'm like, go on, sis.
I love that. Yeah.
What is the dynamic between you guys with you not having kids and her having kids? Do you guys still get to do a ton of stuff together? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 Oh, we just went on family vacation.

Speaker 9 Natalie's like my kids. Even my nieces, like, she's their favorite person.
Yeah. So if

Speaker 9 you're cheating together. Yeah.
If Nat's there, like.

Speaker 9 Nobody else matters. No, because my best friend doesn't have kids.
Kristen doesn't have kids either. And she's been my best friend for like 10 years.

Speaker 9 And so I'm, it's so interesting because I feel like a lot of my other friends have kids or I meet moms through sports that my kids play.

Speaker 9 And so I always wondered, like, the dynamic between you two, especially for the podcast, like, does it give you stuff to talk about too? Or no?

Speaker 10 She tells me about her kids, and I tell her about my cats.

Speaker 9 Okay, so let's talk about your cats. How many cats do you have? Two.
Two? What's your dog?

Speaker 10 I have two dogs. Or one dog.

Speaker 9 One dog.

Speaker 10 I have Saint Alaskan Malamute. Okay.
And then Jiggy and Jagger are my cats.

Speaker 9 Jiggy and Jagger.

Speaker 9 Awesome. Stop.
Yeah. Oh, my, wait, you have an Alaskan Malamute? Uh-huh.

Speaker 9 Aren't they like, no, that's not the ones that are really hard to to train, is it?

Speaker 10 They're those, they look like a husky, but they're all white.

Speaker 9 Okay. They can be kind of stubborn.

Speaker 9 Oh, he's stubborn. And you guys, and you also live locally?

Speaker 8 Yeah. Okay, that's so cool.

Speaker 9 So it works out. You guys have a good dynamic and a friendship going.
And I think. We even accidentally Instacart shit to each other's houses all the time.
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 9 But at least you get close enough. My best friend lives two hours away from me.
So I'm like, if I accidentally Instacart something over there, we're screwed.

Speaker 9 This way, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 9 Have you filmed for Teen Mom? Am I allowed to talk about this?

Speaker 9 Okay.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was on season eight.

Speaker 9 Season eight. Yeah.
And we filmed

Speaker 9 the radio thing. That was season eight.
Yeah. Then we, we had filmed a couple years ago, a little bit of the podcast stuff, but you know, it was one of those that didn't make it.

Speaker 9 Well, I just think it's important to show the audience of expired. And also for anyone that's listening here, like, we want to know who you are.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 9 Like, it's important for people to like resonate with you as well. We all, we know Macy, right? But we want to know Natalie as well.

Speaker 9 So I think it would be cool to like, I don't know, get to know know her on the cheaper level. So MT.
She's pretty great. Yeah.

Speaker 9 I don't know why we're editing those scenes out.

Speaker 9 I love that.

Speaker 10 So Kristen came upstairs yesterday and I was in the massage chair and she goes, Macy nailed you right on the head.

Speaker 15 She said, Natalie is the most chill, not like non-nonchalant.

Speaker 9 Non-problematic, no bullshit, don't care. So you mean you don't fall out with every single one of your friends publicly like I do? No.
Oh, okay.

Speaker 9 Just me. Got it.
Got it.

Speaker 9 I feel like all of my friendship fallouts have been public, and none of the other girls from the show have had that experience at all. That's interesting.
Don't you, do you feel like that?

Speaker 9 Have you ever, have you seen kind of all my, I don't know what comes up on your feed, but.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 9 No, I've, I've, I think you're right. about that.
But like we've all grown apart from people. Mm-hmm.
You know what I mean? Yeah, that's interesting.

Speaker 9 I do also wonder though, because your friends are always such a big part of the show, you know, versus like, I feel like a couple of my friends that we're even filming, like when we filmed 16 and Pregnant, like they'll make occasional appearances or whatever, and people know them because they've been watching the show for so long.

Speaker 9 But I feel like your friends are a much bigger part of the show than everyone else is too. And like a bigger part of your story.
That's actually a really good point.

Speaker 9 I'm going to talk to Kristen about that afterwards. Yeah, can we dissect this for a second? Yeah, because Becky and I just rekindled, and so that's sort of why I invited her on this trip.

Speaker 9 And I wanted to talk to you guys about like your friendship and working together. And that friendship breakup made me sad.
Did it? Yeah, because I know Becky before.

Speaker 9 I just met her through you, like in New York and stuff. And I always really liked her.
And like, her energy was just always genuine and like very light. Like, just, I don't know.

Speaker 9 She's one of those people that like you can, you just feed off their energy. Yeah.
Um, so I was like, oh no

Speaker 9 like i i really liked her

Speaker 9 i really liked her also do you feel like working together has changed the dynamic of your friendship at all or no yeah what do you think in a good way or a bad way or do you have a good balance like i don't know that at all that we would be near as like close as we are if we didn't start working together that's true you know yeah i would agree with that we're just both i don't know we just click like even just from the get-go again it's like an an energy thing.

Speaker 9 Like, it's, we're just, it's easy for us to be around each other, whether we're working or having fun or on vacation.

Speaker 9 And we're so different.

Speaker 8 Like, we're very, very different.

Speaker 10 Yeah, we are kind of opposite.

Speaker 9 Cat lady, kid lady. Yeah.
I feel like we learn from each other. We like can just tell each other anything.
No judgment. Like,

Speaker 9 yeah, it's easy.

Speaker 9 And how, are you in a relationship or no? No. So how do you fit into like when you guys go trick-or-treating together, does Taylor also come? And also, how is Taylor? Oh, he's great.

Speaker 9 I think I only met him once or twice, like, never. I think.
Dang, he's a cool guy. He's great.
He's a cool guy. People only like.
He's like, I guess I'll stay very simple.

Speaker 9 They just like pretend to like me so they can hang out with Taylor.

Speaker 9 They tolerate me.

Speaker 9 No, Taylor's one of those guys. Like, if somebody were to like have a bad thing to say about him, I would, I would think something was wrong with them.
Because like, what did you do? Like,

Speaker 9 you're not a good person for talking shit about this innocent man. Yeah, I already don't trust you.
Yeah, I do. Yeah, for sure.
That's so funny. Yeah, it's kind of annoying, though.

Speaker 9 Because he also makes friends, and I don't like no new friends. I don't like talking.

Speaker 10 I'm surprised I made it through.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's hard. It is hard when it gets to me.

Speaker 9 Being on a show that has run as long as this has, you have to wonder what people's intentions are and also, you know, where that, what that looks like. Yeah, I just really don't.

Speaker 9 I don't, I don't feel like I, I can hardly, I'm hardly keeping my head above water with all my bullshit.

Speaker 9 Like, I don't want to say, like, oh yeah, I can be a great friend and handle all your bullshit too. Like, I can't promise you that.

Speaker 9 So have you, have people from your kids' sports tried to befriend you and it just hasn't worked out? Or do you have like a friend group like that? Yeah, we do.

Speaker 9 I would say we have pretty solid friends from

Speaker 9 our kids' sports. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And they don't care like about the show or anything at all. Yeah.
That's what I've actually found that too.

Speaker 9 Like the friends that I've made from my kids' sports are definitely more unique than the other friends that I have. Not that they're better or worse, just very different.
Yeah, it also seems like it's

Speaker 9 like you're in the same phase of life. So it's, it, I feel like the genuine connection can kind of happen

Speaker 9 around your kids first. And then you kind of get to know the ones that it's like, oh, wait, I could hang out with you like without our kids.
Right, right, right. Like, and be that would be cool.

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Speaker 9 i've just met another family at my luxus school and we were talking about like a disney trip and like just having those little things in common i feel like are really nice but i also really envy some of my friends that don't have kids because i'm like i literally am run ragged yeah landed from disney came right here and i was like

Speaker 9 What is I don't know which way is up at this point. Like, what's going on? Every, oh, Natalie gets to like take naps when she wants to.

Speaker 9 You get to just like, hey, I have to run to the store really quick. And you don't have to worry about buckling seven kids in the car.

Speaker 9 Literally, like trying to figure out how to custom make a suburban so that the seats in the middle are not captain's chairs, but like pushed together so there's like an aisle to get in the third row.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, what, what is going on? What can we do? I don't know how you had, because your Maverick and Jade are a year apart. Yes.
Rio and my twins are a year, not even a year apart.

Speaker 9 So they're all one right now. Dude, it's the

Speaker 9 Irish trenches. It's the trenches, man.
But who takes care of the animals when they're sick?

Speaker 10 Me.

Speaker 10 Oh, no.

Speaker 9 Justin has six dogs. Oh, yeah.
That's a lot. So my best friend and you have that in common.
I know they have dogs. I think they actually have a lot in common.
No, they have a lot in common.

Speaker 9 Alessandra also doesn't have kids yet. So, I mean, that's, I think you guys all have that in common.
We're kind of like their kids.

Speaker 9 They have to manage our schedules and like get shit together for us. We make sure we even remotely have our shit together.
I know, that's so funny.

Speaker 9 So what are the big plans for expired podcasts moving forward? Grow the podcast,

Speaker 9 explore more cases, explore more national cases, maybe even international.

Speaker 9 I mean, I'm down to go to Salem, Massachusetts, if you guys are. Yeah, that would be really cool.
That would be. That's like, I told the kids that I was like, we're not going to Disney next year.

Speaker 9 We can go to Salem because that's what I really want to do. That would be awesome.
Like haunted.

Speaker 9 That would be true. Have you been to the Reed House here? The what? The Reed House? Is it books? No, it's a hotel.
Like an old hotel. Is it haunted? Haunted.

Speaker 9 There's There's a room there that's haunted.

Speaker 10 The story is: this woman named Annalise was found almost beheaded in the bathtub,

Speaker 10 and they don't know if it was a boyfriend or a lover or if she was a sex worker, what the situation kind of was.

Speaker 9 But

Speaker 10 they only rent out the room. We could probably get in there.
I bet we could.

Speaker 10 But they only rent out the room the month of October, and every night it costs $666 to stay there, except for Halloween night, which is $999. You know, like the 666, flip it upside down.

Speaker 9 It's not spooky. I committed a BE for the Dr.
Perelson house in LA last, like two weeks ago. I jumped the fence and I like went into it.

Speaker 9 What is it?

Speaker 9 Look up the case. You'll be

Speaker 9 this doctor. Did you do this by yourself? Kristen filmed it on her phone, but the cops came, but I like jumped back over the fence because I fucked up my brand new converse and I was pissed.

Speaker 9 It was worth it.

Speaker 9 It's this murder mansion. Dr.
Perelson was an inventor and a doctor of sorts. And where is this? In LA.
L.A. Okay.
It's actually right down the block from the Menendez Brothers home. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 9 And also the Black Dahlia's home. Oh, shoot.

Speaker 9 So I was, they had like barbed wire, but I found like a little gap. So I climbed on top of the rental car and then I hopped the fence.
This is all on video. I'll have Kristen show you.

Speaker 9 Maybe don't air this on Teen Mom, but like we'll put it on the podcast. Allegedly, allegedly,

Speaker 9 allegedly. Yeah, allegedly.
And I like got in because I was like, I have to see this. But he beat his wife to death with a ball peaning hammer and then attacked one of his kids.

Speaker 9 And then he killed himself in the house. And then it's just been bought and sold like 10 times over since then.
But only one family officially lived in there after him.

Speaker 9 And one of them died in the house.

Speaker 10 Oh my God. Yeah,

Speaker 9 we need to get like a paranormal team. Yeah.
Oh, I'm down.

Speaker 9 We should just do like this haunted tour of some sort. Yeah.

Speaker 10 We should go on the Chattanooga ghost tour while we're here.

Speaker 9 Oh, yeah. That would be cool.

Speaker 10 You can see underground Chattanooga. It's crazy.

Speaker 9 Underground?

Speaker 10 Yeah, our city is built on our old city.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Pretty much.
That's actually really cool. So like you can see areas like that, too, where they were purposely flooded.
Yeah. Purposely flooded for what? To build on top of it?

Speaker 9 Or to cover shit up.

Speaker 10 Like you go down into like, say, like a parking garage where you go down and you can see where like...

Speaker 9 like windows were at the bottom. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Like we just cooked the parking garage right on top.

Speaker 9 You can see all no big deal, boarded up windows, like it just never existed.

Speaker 9 That's actually really weird. I kind of want to see it though.
It's very like we have time.

Speaker 9 Um, so you see, you've seen Kate and Ty already. Had you already met them? No, no, this was the first time.
Yeah, this whole trip is like a follow first.

Speaker 9 I love that. Okay, so how'd the recording go? And I don't know what order they're gonna air in, so it was really good.
It was fantastic. They did a great job.
So proud of them, yeah.

Speaker 10 They've already got like a something to bring back to every

Speaker 10 episode.

Speaker 9 It's Blue Monkey. They'll have to tell you about it.
Yeah, wait till they make a bit out of Monkey. Oh, I can't wait.
It's fantastic. When was the last time you had seen Kate in person?

Speaker 9 June,

Speaker 9 late May, early June. So do they still do teen mom reunions or not really? They didn't do one this year.
They didn't?

Speaker 9 I wonder why. I should be the host.

Speaker 9 You should.

Speaker 9 Yes. I'm sure people, some of the cast members would not love that.
Oh, yeah. But I could ruffle some feathers.

Speaker 9 feathers i'm good at that good tv yeah we're like tv gold it's fine um so when did you guys get together and over the summer like was it just for a personal um me and caitlin went to visit amber oh how indie

Speaker 9 um she's had a rough go of it this year so

Speaker 9 she's doing the best she can you know um

Speaker 9 yeah there's a lot going on and honestly i just It's not really my place to like

Speaker 9 say all the things, but yeah, she's had a rough go of it, but she's she's honestly, I will say though, because I'll call him out all day long. Uh,

Speaker 9 I'm sure you saw the press and like all the things about um her fiancé like going missing, yeah, and then like apparently he just ran away. Taylor calls him gone, Gary.

Speaker 9 Taylor, my husband is the nicest, but the most petty mother

Speaker 9 on the planet.

Speaker 9 Yeah, um, but yeah, um,

Speaker 9 Do you know, are they still together?

Speaker 17 No. They're not together.

Speaker 9 Oh, I think he's engaged to someone else or something. I don't know this for sure because my memory is absolute trash, but I think I only met Amber one time.
Really?

Speaker 9 When we did the book tour together, right? Fresh out of prison. Oh, yeah.
Fresh in the season. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 And that was, I think, the only time I, maybe I've seen her like in passing at a reunion, but I think that was the only like time I ever spent with her. And I, and Becky was with me on that tour.

Speaker 9 Um, and we had a great time, but I see a lot of hate towards you and Kate for your support of Amber. Oh, for sure.
Yeah. And why?

Speaker 9 I don't know. I don't really care.
Okay, you don't you don't need to spend time on that.

Speaker 9 I think based on what the audience sees, I can kind of understand a little bit of like how it could be perceived

Speaker 9 in such a way,

Speaker 9 but you know at the same time, it's like, well, that's on them, you know? Anyone's opinion on the type of friend friend I am or how I show up for my friend doesn't matter to me you know like

Speaker 9 I'm not going to stop caring and showing up for anyone that I love because you disagree with it you know what I mean like I have nothing but good things to say about Amber based on my time spent with Amber she was so funny obviously this was literally 10 years ago it was 2014 so she's probably a different person now but the time that I spent with Amber was always it was I mean Becky and I have funny stories that we still tell to this day that happened on that book tour.

Speaker 9 So I can't ever, when I see the things that I see online, I'm like, I just sort of like, you, I don't care. But it also is interesting to me that people feel a type of way.

Speaker 9 Yeah, because I feel like no matter what sort of tragedies or trials and tribulations that people go through, everyone needs a support system of some sort.

Speaker 9 And by support, I think that that also, that could include people that don't agree with your choices, but are still there to be be a support system. 100% a support system for you.
Yes.

Speaker 9 And I think that is one of the things that's like almost never shown is that between the three of us, like me, Kate, and Amber, we will always be there for each other and support each other, but we are also the first people to check each other, you know, and be like, hey, you have to do something about this, or like, hey, that's not right.

Speaker 9 Like, what are we doing? Come on. But maybe that's not public.
Yeah, it's like, it's like one of those things. It's like, it's almost like never shown.

Speaker 9 Um, and and honestly, it's um it could be because it's something that doesn't really happen on camera, maybe. But I just feel like no matter what, everyone needs a support system, right?

Speaker 9 Like, you don't have to agree with what people do, but you still need support, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 9 And I think sometimes support looks like checking someone and and showing them a different point of view, or um, how maybe just how

Speaker 9 they could alter their behavior a little bit. Yeah.

Speaker 9 But without judgment or being hateful, like it's very possible for all of those things to simultaneously exist and all be true. But yeah, Kate and Amber and I, it's

Speaker 9 we're like,

Speaker 9 we're more than friends.

Speaker 9 It's like a family. And it's so hard for me to describe to other people.
Like I feel like I haven't seen you in 10 in six years, but I feel like. I'm just going to pick up where you left off.

Speaker 9 Because there's such a unique dynamic between, I think, all of us, I mean, even the ones that we haven't seen in 10 years because of the show and everything else. And so, there is this like

Speaker 9 things that other people could never understand.

Speaker 9 Like, there are so many things that I could talk to you about. And it's like you 100%

Speaker 9 understand and you get it, and you know where I'm coming from, and you've probably been there and done that a thousand times, just like I have.

Speaker 9 Whereas I can talk to Natalie about it, and she can be supportive, and she can hear me, but but she's never going to understand it. Like,

Speaker 9 ever. Yeah.

Speaker 9 It's just such an extraordinary thing.

Speaker 9 A unique relationship.

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 9 It's just built on such a different,

Speaker 9 just not an ordinary foundation. Agreed.
Very crazy and really special, actually.

Speaker 9 But we also, like, everything everybody sees on the show, there's like a thousand other things and so many other times that we're together, that we're talking. So it's not,

Speaker 9 that's one thing that does irritate me. It's like, oh, they're just, they're just friends because the show or on the show.
I'm like, no. That's where it started.
That's not where it ends. Yeah.

Speaker 9 And I mean, at this point, me and Caitlin and Amber have known each other longer than we haven't. Oh, wow.

Speaker 9 How old are you? 33.

Speaker 15 Mm-hmm.

Speaker 9 Wow. Yeah.
That's insane to think about. And we've also been, I think, parents for, I think we've been parents longer than we have been.
Yeah.

Speaker 9 Already. That's crazy.

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Speaker 9 Bentley turned 16. Yes.
Teen Mom franchise turned 16. How does that feel? It's,

Speaker 9 I don't even know. Like, I really, I don't know.
Do you feel any different? I don't know how I feel because on one hand, I feel like I blinked and I got here.

Speaker 9 And on the other hand, I'm like, I feel like a billion lifetimes have gone by. Yeah.
You've been like 100 different people in the 16 years. Yeah, I feel like I'm just now growing up.

Speaker 9 Like, how could he be?

Speaker 9 How could the be growing up? I feel like life in our 30s is so weird too, because just in general, without being a mom, we're learning all of the things that our parents and elders and like

Speaker 9 parental figures told us growing up. And then we were like not listening to them.
And now we're coming to the real in our 30s, not even in our 20s, not becoming a mom, not any of that.

Speaker 9 It's like not until our 30s. And I'm like, I literally sound so dumb.
And I don't know. Like, my son is not listening to me.

Speaker 9 There's no way he's going to grow up and be in his 30s and be like, oh, mom was right when I was 16. Yes.
It's so weird to be here in this place in life. Yes.
Bentley and I joke about it all the time

Speaker 9 because I'll be like, you know, I'm going to say this. I know you're probably, you might take it in.
I hope you do. You might not.

Speaker 9 But A, B, or C. And I'll say,

Speaker 9 and trust me, when I was your age, my mom was telling me the same thing. And I was like, mom, shut up.
Like, you don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 9 And I'm like, and now I'm like, my mom was right about

Speaker 9 everything.

Speaker 9 She, I swear, she hasn't told a lie in her life.

Speaker 9 For real. I'm like, oh my God, why? Why?

Speaker 9 She was right about everything. I'm like, one day you're going to be like, damn, my mom was right.
What is it like to have a mom? Do you have a mom? Oh, you do?

Speaker 9 Or do you have a good relationship with her?

Speaker 10 Yeah, she lives four houses down from me.

Speaker 9 Shut up.

Speaker 9 What a dream. That's what I, I bought 20 acres in Delaware because I would love to have like a little cul-de-sac with all my children.
But I was like, is that like a toxic boy mom? Or is that like?

Speaker 9 No, I think it's cool. We're like, we're doing the same thing with like my parents, Taylor's parents.
Do they live close? Taylor's family actually is in Texas, but his parents just retired.

Speaker 9 But we bought a bunch of land and we're going to all just build on it. That's so awesome.
I love that. What's it like having a mom?

Speaker 10 Amazing.

Speaker 9 I love my mom so much.

Speaker 9 Do you have siblings?

Speaker 10 I have a sister who's 26 years older than me.

Speaker 9 I'm sorry, what?

Speaker 10 My sister was 26 when I was born.

Speaker 10 26. 26.
We have different moms. Okay.
Same dad. Okay.
So my dad put my sister through college. She was graduating from UGA and I was born in April.

Speaker 9 And he started all over New York. Do you have a relationship with her?

Speaker 10 I do, but it's more of a, like, she's like my mom. Like, she could have been my mom easily.

Speaker 10 But I would like to go stay the night with her.

Speaker 9 Shut up. Yeah.
Becky is the youngest of five, and I believe her oldest is also

Speaker 10 much older.

Speaker 9 Wow. Yeah.
I don't know by how much, but I always think it's interesting because I have, you know, Isaac's almost 15. And then I have one-year-old twin, well, three one-year-olds at this point.

Speaker 9 So like even that age gap is so crazy to me. So, that's so interesting.

Speaker 9 And you have a brother? Yeah, I have an older brother. Just one.

Speaker 9 Okay. He's three years older than me.
Okay. So, you guys were kind of close, and you guys went to high school and stuff together, which is really cool.

Speaker 9 Yeah, we're super close relationship. How is Bentley with

Speaker 9 Jade and Maverick? Oh, they're super tight. Really? Yeah, Bentley's really close with all of the siblings.
I mean, all of how many siblings does he have? Crapload at this point. He's like Lincoln.

Speaker 9 Lincoln has nine siblings.

Speaker 9 Yeah, Yeah, he's got Jade, Mav,

Speaker 9 Jagger, Stella, and then he's got a little sister on the way

Speaker 9 with Ryan and Amanda. So that's five or six? One, two, three, four,

Speaker 9 six. He's the oldest of six.

Speaker 10 Yeah, I think that's what you said yesterday.

Speaker 9 So he's 16 and his little sister will be born. I'm like, yeah, could you imagine having to like move out and take care of this baby right now? And he's like, wait, that's such a wait.

Speaker 9 I need to say that to my kids. Yeah.
Because that's essentially what it is. Isaac won't touch the babies.
He loves his siblings.

Speaker 9 He doesn't want the spit up, the burping, the

Speaker 9 crusty face, the booger. Like, he's repulsed by it.
And so, like, even if they hug him,

Speaker 9 he wants to check their hands in their face before they even touch it. So, I'm just like, what's going to be sticky? Yeah, it's like it's sticky.
It's not for me, but that's so interesting.

Speaker 9 So, he'll, but I mean, I will say that I think between the generation, what is it, Gen Z? Are our kids Gen Z or Gen Alpha? Gen Z.

Speaker 9 Well, the older ones, I think, no, are they alpha?

Speaker 10 I think your older kids are Gen Z.

Speaker 9 Yeah.

Speaker 10 Your younger kids are alpha.

Speaker 9 2025 starts a new generation also.

Speaker 9 But what's really interesting is between, you know, us being team parents and then also Gen Z as a whole, they just like don't want to have. kids young, let alone if any at all.

Speaker 9 Yeah, which I think is, we've done our job, but also I think society is doing its job as well. Yeah, I think our kids are like, wow, everyone is so dumb.

Speaker 9 Like, like kids are hard. Yeah, they're like, they're fucking hard.
That's all I like just being a cool aunt. Yeah.

Speaker 9 No, I don't, when people on social media, I see people on social media talk about how they don't want kids and they get harassed for it. And I'm like, I love my kids to death.

Speaker 9 Like I would move the world for my kids, but I also understand not wanting to have kids. And I also

Speaker 9 like so proud of Isaac because I'm like, I don't, you don't need to have kids right now. Like literally wait till you're 30.

Speaker 9 When you're starting to figure life out and you're starting to like understand all of the things that I've been telling you for the past 15 years, then maybe think about it. Yeah.
So

Speaker 9 I have to say too, I absolutely love watching the,

Speaker 9 watch Isaac do the ASL video. Oh my God.
So cool. He's so cool.
I'm like jealous. He's

Speaker 9 a fresh club at school because he's, is Bentley a sophomore or a freshman? Sophomore. Okay, so Isaac's one year behind.

Speaker 9 He's a freshman and he started ASL club because his new school that he he transferred to, I don't, how are the schools here? Because he got, he, in Delaware, you can pick any school you want to go to.

Speaker 9 They just started that this year, at least in our county, where you can choose where you go, but there's still like a

Speaker 9 capacity and you have to like be on a list and get it approved. Okay.

Speaker 9 But up until this year, you had to go where you were zoned unless your parent taught like at another school. Okay, so the last school that Isaac was in, he had ASL class, like a class for it.

Speaker 9 That's cool. At the new school for high school, he wanted to go to a different school district.
They didn't have it. So he started a club.
That's so awesome.

Speaker 9 And so he's not really a sports kid, but he's like a club kid. So he does debate.

Speaker 10 I'll get him to do sign language at concerts.

Speaker 9 Oh, he wants to be an interpreter, which is a whole degree.

Speaker 9 So he wants to do, that's what he like wants to do. But he's, so he does ASL club, debate club, and then he just auditioned last night for Beetlejuice, which which I was like, that's so cool.

Speaker 9 What the heck? Like you're old enough to be auditioning for something. Also, he is like, him and Bentley both have like great hair.
They do. What is that? Because I didn't have that.
I have a cowlick.

Speaker 9 I have to style very specifically

Speaker 9 in the front of my head. And mine's just like, it's a cowlick, and it's just like flat and straight.
I also feel like Bentley is the perfect mix between you and Ryan. Like, it's so weird.

Speaker 9 He stands next to you, I see you, but when he stands next to Ryan, I also see Ryan. Yeah, it's very interesting.
How do genetics are so weird?

Speaker 9 So fascinating.

Speaker 9 are you also like a not half sibling person I get so mad when I don't anyone refers to my kids as half siblings me yep drives me no step no half no they're just they're just brothers even the step ones are just siblings yes because you grew up with them and that's they matter absolutely I love that well I can't wait to continue seeing where expired podcast goes and I'm excited for the rest of this crossover

Speaker 9 it's gonna be a good year um where can people find expired podcasts and where can people follow you guys on socials anywhere you download podcasts Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

Speaker 10 Instagram at expired podcast.

Speaker 9 423.

Speaker 10 Yeah, 423. And Natalie's post is my handle.

Speaker 9 Perfect. And mine is Macy Deshaun Bookout.
It's Deshaun. I know.

Speaker 9 Isn't that crazy? I've been pronouncing it wrong for like a while. I call her Deshane all the time.
Everyone does, yeah. Yeah.
It's Deshaun.

Speaker 9 Are you serious? This entire, my entire life, I thought it was Deshane. I think even like people that have been my best friend since like elementary school still

Speaker 9 say Deshane. Yeah.
I wanted to get the backstory on that. Anyway, well, thank you for joining Barely Famous Podcasts and I can't wait to go on expired.
Thanks for having us.

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