Hey Big Guy: Jake Cornell

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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your fave villain, Kale Wally.

And you're listening to Barely Famous. All right, y'all.

Welcome back to another episode of Barely Famous.

Today we have Jake Cornell.

Influencer, comedian, actor.

Yeah, thank you.

And also one of the best New York gays.

I can't call myself that, but I'll take the compliment. Thank you.
You can't call yourself that? I think you can't claim you should be like, if I were like, I'm one of the best New York gays. I can't call myself that, but I'll take the compliment.
Thank you. You can't call yourself that? I think you can't claim you should be like, if I were like, I'm one of the best New York gays, like you can't do that, you know? Okay, so I can't say like I'm one of the best podcasters? No, that's different.
That's like a vocation. I can't claim like the best of an identity, I feel like.
You know what I mean? For fear of like what were the reactions from the other New York gays. Also, that's like an incredible population to say you're the best of.
Like some of the, artists in the world. So like, I mean, like, I think you're one of the best.
Well, that's I'll take the compliment. Thank you so much.
So I first came across you on TikTok for being funny and being a comedian. And I love that.
But where did you start before TikTok and before comedy in general? Were you always funny or did you sort of like learn to be funny?

I guess like the answer is both.

Okay.

Like I am originally from New England.

I'm from Rhode Island originally, which is like where my whole family is.

Wait, that's part of New England?

I thought it was the Midwest.

Rhode Island?

Like the top, like by Michigan?

No.

Hold on. Let me pull up a map really quick.

And what's crazy is that like I'm not dumb. So hold on a second.
Where is – Wait, but I'm not even thinking what you would be thinking of. Yeah, me too.
I think I'm thinking of like the Great Lakes maybe. So do you know it's not an island? Absolutely not.
It's not an island? So it's a little state between like it's under Massachusetts next to Connecticut. It's like kind of like where like the part of Massachusetts that like...

Wait, where are you

in comparison to Delaware?

Are you looking at a map?

Yeah.

So do you...

Have you found it yet?

I'm asking.

Hold on,

because they're all so small.

So do you see where Massachusetts

is the one that has like

the elephant trunk

that kind of swings out?

I'm trying...

Okay.

It keeps pulling up Rhode Island,

but I need to see it on...

Can you Google like a map of America?

Yeah.

And then do you know where Maine is? Like the top, the like horse head at the top? Okay, see. Oh, it's right next to Connecticut.
Yeah. Oh, okay.
So Delaware is far. I thought it was.
Quite far. Quite far, yeah.
Okay, so where I thought Rhode Island was, was like the little sort of island looking thing between. The upper peninsula of Michigan? Yes.
Okay. That's where I thought.
No, that's the upper. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's not a state though no it's no it's part of michigan oh okay cool so they just call that region the upper peninsula and rhode island is not an island correct there's some islands off of it but um it is it's part of mainland america okay so you started comedy and just everything in rhode island no no so i'm originally from rhode island and then we moved to verm when I was like six. And I was back and forth.
Yes. And then I was back and forth a lot.
And I guess that's to say, like I come from like a funny family. Like everyone's loud.
My mom's side of the family is like, like half Jewish, half Irish, Irish Catholic, like very loud, very like kind of everyone's roasting each other. From trauma or just naturally? You know a wintry mix of both um but um and then my dad's side of the family is funny too but like i think there was like a natural proclivity towards like humor in my family and then i they and then like i think also moving to like a small town rural area from like a fairly like metropolitan area for sure kind of like forced me to you know use my skills to get people to like me so I think of and then also being like the only gay guy in like a small town I think all that led to me being like funny but then when I moved to New I moved to New York like almost 11 years ago to be a like an actor and a comedian and a performer and I think I had to learn how to like do it in a like professional and consistent way and like perform it.
Like how do I take how I know I can be funny. Like I remember I used to really feel like I know I can be funny like at the bar with a bunch of people like shooting the shit, whatever.
But like doing that in a way that is like translating into writing a script or performing on stage or doing an improv scene. Like that took a lot of trial and error and learning and stuff like that.
So it was like a mix of but i started at the upright citizens brigade you know what that is no it's like a it's like a um it's a comedy theater that was that it's reopened since but it was like a huge comedy theater in new york um back in like the early 2000s 2010s okay um and i started as a student there and then became a performer on their like um their like main stage shows sure and then I did that for years, kind of until the pandemic. And then that was when I couldn't be performing live anymore.
I started making videos online to kind of fill that gap. Okay.
And then that kind of changed my career a lot, got a lot more eyes on me. And then I kind of transitioned back into live performance once stages were open again.
And then I kind of just kept doing both. I was so taken aback because I've had podcast guests on here that are so completely different than who they are online.
And I think that comes with the territory, right? Because so many people, they gain fame and notoriety on social media without even trying from the time that you walked in the door here until you're sitting here right now. I'm like, you're the same person.
Oh, thank you you. That means – that's really – that's genuinely very nice to hear.
Thank you. I just love it.
And I was cracking up. First of all, how old are you? 32.
Okay. So we're the same age.
So while you were like taking off on your career, I was like giving birth. Yeah.
You know what I mean? So he was like, oh, is – Totally. Is – you know, I was telling him about Isaac who's 15.
You know, the listeners – my listeners already know know but your audience might not know completely different um audiences for sure and jake was like oh is he your only and i said i have seven kids and you're like no yeah if i had seven kids at our age i can't imagine like i was giving birth and you're like launching your entire career and i'm like how the fuck do i get you were doing both let's be clear I mean I don't know it's not like you don't have a career okay so your did your tiktok take off sort of just on its own like just naturally then yeah I mean I started posting really early days like I started posting on tiktok in 2020 so okay it was like there weren't as many people on it so like if you made a video that was funny like it was getting a lot of views right no so i was making i was just making funny videos my i first the first video i posted i actually didn't post on tiktok because like tiktok to me felt early days like it was not for me the kind of videos that were being posted there that were really funny were more like absurdist and weird or like that's what i was watching and i was like oh like i don't think my my stuff would translate there as well so i was posting it on instagram and then someone was like should be posting this on TikTok. And I was like, oh, I guess so.
And then I made a couple TikToks. They did really well.
And so then I just kept posting there. And yeah, my TikTok grew really quickly.
Again, because there's just, I don't think there were that many people posting there. And then my Instagram followed shortly after.
And then, yeah, it just kind of kept growing, which was amazing. So what does that mean for you and the TikTok ban? Like, how do you feel about it? Are you going to be super affected? Are you upset? Do you not necessarily care? Like, where are you at with it? I'm upset for, like, I think it's scary that the government is, like, taking a thing away.
And, like, when clearly the population doesn't want it. And, like, I think that there's scary things about that.
For sure. And I think that a lot of people are going to be really negatively affected like i overall i overall think it is like a net bad for sure i agree um in terms of like me and my career like fortunately i also have instagram and i also my whole thing from the beginning was like i never want like the reason i was like i prefer comedian over influencer is like I never wanted to be like a social media personality or like an influencer that's not my passion is that your bread and butter right like it's in addition to what you're already doing right and so I always I always had like a personal rule of like I don't view that part of my life as my job like okay I like the videos I post I mean you've seen them I it's literally me walking down the street talking into my headphone mic and that's really as simple as it's always been is like i'll be walking to the gym get an idea talking to my mic for a minute and then post it that's really you're walking to the gym so you already worked out on the way to the gym so do you really have to go to the gym that's like two workouts in one day yeah it's my warm-up let's call it my warm-up i could never i love i should but i walk a lot but i think that's also part but but to that end like it's not like i'm losing my creative outlet like i'm very fortunate that i'm performing live i'm writing projects i'm like i'm doing other things um it's mostly helpful for me to sell tickets to my live shows so hopefully i can keep doing that keep doing that on Instagram and hopefully people who see me live will tell other people, go see him live or podcast or whatever.
So yeah, I have complicated feelings about it. I feel fortunate that I don't personally feel like I'm losing my job.
Right. But we also can recognize that this is, you know, not this.
TikTok is a place where people are, you know, funding their entire lifestyles and also taking care of their families with the funds. I mean, I don't disagree for a second.
We're fortunate that we have other places, but some people don't. And I do feel like that is so sad for, and I want to advocate and give a voice to the people who are making their income on TikTok, because I mean, for the people that say it's not a real job, they're paying in real money.

I know. It's such an interesting argument.

It's weird, right? It is a weird place to be. And I can understand where people are like,

oh, that's not a real job. But it is.
And I do get upset for the people who are like,

oh, I can't wait for the TikTok ban so you can go get a real job. But at the end of the day,

TikTok is putting so much- And also, why is that more of a real job than answering emails all day? Or like a call center. Like I just don't – it's never made sense to me.
I understand like what about it angers people so they say that. But the actual argument of like it not being – I don't understand what angers people.
Yeah. Like do I think it has like insane perks? Yes.
Do I think that, but the, do I also think it's like absurd that like you can make X thousands of dollars off of posting one, one minute video? You know what I mean? But that's not our fault. Correct.
It's like the system exists. It's also like, there are other things.
It's like health insurance is absurd yet. Like I look in my opinion yet working for health insurance companies is still a real job.
I don't know. There's that wasn't even the most sound argument.
But it sort of is. I don't know.
Like it's just it's it's if you do something that pays you money. I think it is innately a job.
Yeah. You know.
So there's that. Yeah.
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Standard exclusions apply. Do you see yourself being in New York for the long haul? Yeah.
I mean, I would leave if I booked a show in LA or if I booked you know I would go do that but like New York is home for sure you're an East Coaster I am too just like born and raised on the East Coast I I like to go to LA in very small increments of time but I'm just not a West Coast girly I love the West Coast it's not for me it's I always say when people do like the kind of New York versus LA thing my thing is it's not about-L.A. It's just that New York is my home.
Yeah. You know? It's not about not wanting to be somewhere else.
It's about not wanting to not be here. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I get that.
I can get that. That's really what it is for me.
I'm about three hours from New York. Yeah.
And I'm here so much. And I really hated it at first because I didn't – I don't know.
It's overwhelming. It's also not for everyone.
I think that's the other thing is that I think people feel with New York that it's like, it's a, it's a morally virtuous thing to want to live here or it's a cool thing to want to live here. It's a cool thing.
It's like a, like a, a good personality trait to have lived here. And I'm like, it's just not for everyone.
You know what I mean? A good personality trait. I feel like people do it to be like, you know, I wanted to be able to say I lived in New York and like, like people, I feel like you'll hear that a lot as like someone who's moving yeah like you know i came here i did the new york thing i wanted to say i lived here for a few years and i'm like that's weird to me yeah you know the right that's not how people talk about other places no one's like you know what i like i wanted to you know i did the thing i moved to skokie i wanted to say i lived in skokie for it's like what the fuck is skokie it's a suburb of chicago i don't know why that was the first thing that came out of my head but it's like you know i just think it's like an interesting thing and i also it's like no like i don't i think like the purpose of living somewhere is i unless you like have to live there for whatever xyz reason is to like invest in invest in a community invest in a place emotionally like and and interpersonally and if you're moving here just to like say you were here for a few years and then leaves you're kind of just a leech in my opinion so that i get i can kind of see that yeah i will say that um people that i've encountered in new york not people i know but just like random people on the street are very different than the people that i have encountered in la just on a regular day i think that watching what they've done for each other like coming out for each other oh 100 right now i think disproves a lot of that I understand.
I think there are people in every city like that.

And I think social media, entertainment highlights those people more than other people.

Like disproportionately.

Yeah.

No, that's fair.

I think that's fair.

In terms of social media and being a comedian and an actor, do you feel like anyone has ever not given you a chance or not taking you seriously because of sort of how you came into comedy and becoming an actor yeah I think that like I mean I think that you have like a little bit more to prove in certain ways and I do think but like I don't I guess like with that I don't try to think about it too much because I'm not really in control of it right you know what I mean all I can do is like be good yeah and let that speak for itself I think the thing I get a lot that always makes me laugh is like you know and like like people will come see me live I've been touring since since uh last July so I've been I've been doing I've done you're not burnt out no I love it I love it I'm burnt out I canceled all my tours for the first half of this year because I'm burnt the fuck out you have you also have seven kids you know what I mean that makes sense like I'm they're not on tour with me. But that's still part of your – like you have a lot more responsibilities than me, like objectively.
You know what I mean? I think that like I have – like I can just hop on a plane. Like I don't have to worry.
Like you know what I mean? Right. It's so – I – but that's still to say, so like I've met like hundreds of people who have come to my shows and stuff and I'm so thankful for them to come and it's so funny but so what they'll say is like, you know, we didn't know if you were going to be good because we haven't.
And I only have just now, I was really, really bad for a long time about taping my live stuff and putting it online. Like, okay.
So it's like, I understand if you watch kind of, Oh, we were talking about that off mic. But like kind of like people don't always translate outside of like the box they put themselves on.
Oh, we can talk about that. I've had, I was telling Jake off camera, I was saying like, I've had podcast guests that it's, some of them are really difficult sometimes because you see them on social media and then they don't translate the same way on the podcast.
Outside of their own channel or outside of their own production. Yeah.
And so I do, I do want to have TikTokers on, right? People who are doing so well on TikTok, I would love to have a conversation with them, but sometimes they don't know how to answer a question or they're not giving me energy and i have to feed off of their energy it's the same way i would imagine for comedy and crowd work or anything like that if you're not having a good audience that is going to directly impact the energy that you have and the jokes that you tell or whatever that looks like it's a back and forth 100 so i a lot of times after shows people like that was so great we were nervous it wasn't going to be like or like we didn't know or like i'm actually so surprised and it's like it's funny because for me i've been doing i've been on stage longer than i've been online you know what i mean like i've been doing comedy live for 11 years i've been doing posting videos online for four five i mean coming up on five so it's like to me i'm like yeah it makes sense to me why you would think that and i actually kind of like it i like that people I would rather people come and be like oh shit he's good at what he does like and I feel like it's his other side of me people don't the inner like a lot of people in New York know about it and a lot of people have seen me across the country now touring have seen it but like showing people like oh there's a different side to me that's not talking to a microphone on the side on my phone that is also has something to offer and it's been fun to like see that and it's fun that it's a surprise for some people but I would like to eventually get to be known for that side more because it's what I care about more yeah absolutely and I think well there's a lot to be said for the people who might have come across you on their for you page or something and they see you there first yeah and so that they don't know what to expect when they get to a live show versus your fan base that you had prior to TikTok or socials that have seen you live and then follow

you on socials. Yeah.
And I think now it's kind of a bit both where like people see me live and

join in or it's fun to see how it's like evolving and how it will continue to evolve. Can we talk

about your characters? Yeah, for sure. So you have Gay Brooklyn Dad? I did Gay Brooklyn Dad for a long

time. Yeah.
Okay. Can we talk about what's his personality? Gay Brooklyn Dad is like very

I agree. So you have gay Brooklyn dad? I did gay Brooklyn dad for a long time.
Yeah. Okay.
Can we talk about what's, what's his personality? Gay Brooklyn dad is like, um, very. Do you have a name? Um, I've never named him.
Okay. Um, but I've named all the other people in his life, but his whole thing is very, you know, he's, it's like, he's like the Brooklyn version of keeping up with the Joneses.
You know what I mean? It's very like, he's very concerned about making sure that he's like on top of the trends that he's like doing the cool things that he's like making, that he is kind of maintaining social status within this like wealthy tier of like Brooklyn parents that I feel like back. I mean, it was inspired by when I was still working in restaurants and I was encountering these people.
And especially like during pandemic like watching what was like what were like the top of people's priorities like was really crazy to me you know what I mean really yeah and I think like that was where I started making those videos and it was it was it was a really fun those videos were so fun to do like that whole period is that like a server or bartender or waitress's version of being like a fly on the wall like people watching but in the restaurant industry i mean that's like that's so much of the job is like yeah people watching because you it's not even watching because you're interacting with them right so it's unintentional essentially it's like but it's like you're watching you're hearing you're conversing and you're like talking to people who would like you would probably never encounter in your day-to-day life because you live in such different parts of new york not even geographically just like social echelon wise right um that it's like it's just really interesting to see i just remember i remember like a feeling back then of like when people were coming back from the pandemic i just feel like everyone's crazy was like 60 percent more out like people's masks were a little bit more off and like i think you guys are fucking nuts no 100 oh yeah great i was like yeah you guys are fucking nuts like and it was just funny like yeah. Great.
I was like, yeah, you guys are fucking nuts. And it was just funny.
Some of it, I remember when those videos were doing, were kind of really going, because most of those videos I did four years ago now, when those were really going around, some of the lines that people would quote most to me, I'd be like, that is a direct quote from someone in the restaurant. No.
I didn't even make that up. I remember one of the classic ones, I had character that i did really early on that was like a kooky lady who was going to restaurants during covid and like she looked at me one time and she holding a glass of wine mind you this was like early pandemic days and she was like i have to say i am loving this pandemic lifestyle oh and i was like i was like i can't people are dying kim yeah and like my face like the face crack i was like like what do I say like like what do you say so that was like a lot of those videos came from just like literally being immersed in because everyone else was still at home it was like restaurant workers are considered essential workers so I was like out there with all my restaurant co-workers and like like the subways during that time were really crazy because it was like restaurant workers nurses and like city city trades people.
And like that was it. So like the subway had like such a different vibe.
It was honestly kind of nice because it was like everyone was like pretty cool. And then all these Looney Tunes who were at these going to restaurants.
Not the Looney Tunes. Yeah.
I don't think – so I live in Delaware. So there's – we only have chain restaurants.
I talk about this all the time. So frustrating because there's no mom and pop places.
I know. That's hard.
It is true. I've noticed noticed that like touring have you been to delaware or like philly because philly is about an hour from i've been to i did shows in philly but like there new york has the chain restaurants like right in the center like in your time square like your atlantic terminal but like obviously when you go out like not really the wall are the best ones totally but like it's been interesting being in some of like the smaller cities and being like oh yeah like in some of these towns like the place to go is like the on the border oh we don't even have one of those our red robin just shut down i'm devastated but before they did that they took the freaking baked potato soup off the menu that's tough why would they do that clearly they were struggling they also put in a mini chilies like 40 minutes away why would you put in a mini chilies we literally don't have anything else and i don't have anywhere i love chilies like why's.
Like, why would you do a mini? What does that mean? What do you mean mini Chili's? It's like a... Like a kiosk? Like, can you sit? Like, it's like half the size of a regular Chili's.
Does it have the same menu? It has the same menu. It's like mainly for to-go.
And if you go inside, they want to flip the tables even faster than they would in a regular Chili's. Oh, that sucks.
So it's really upsetting because it's like we the people. Yeah.
You want to soak in the ambiance of the Chili's for a little bit. Yeah.
Like I need the triple dipper in the full Chili's essence. Well, especially like Chili's food is not something you want to eat quickly because you're already getting like one of the worst tummy aches of your life that day.
So like if you eat it fast, it's like – I have to let it marinate for a second before I leave. Because I'm known for shitting my pants.
So it's like – There's only so much imodium in the world, you know? You get me. Yeah, absolutely.
I feel seen. Absolutely.
I truly do. Actually, one of the guests that we had yesterday, she was like, where should we go eat in Times Square? And I said, I'm pretty sure that's all chain restaurants pretty much in Times Square.
I mean, you can get like the – No, it kind of is. Yeah.
And I used to, when I come to New York, I would just stay in Times Square because it was so centrally located to everywhere I needed to go.

But being in Harlem has been really nice.

A nice little change of pace.

I actually love it here.

Oh my God.

I got Indian food last night and I was so excited about it.

We also had Peruvian food yesterday for lunch.

And I'm like, Delaware could never.

Yeah.

And I don't know about Rhode Island.

Do they have good food there? Rhode Island has good food. Rhode Island has good good food i've never been yeah yeah um did you go to school in rhode island i went to vermont uv okay okay i went to school in delaware so it's just been sort of slow the amish built my house and i have a little farm so it's just very different than new york that's cute though yeah my kids don't help with the farm though that's probably not cute sure would you ever make a character based off my life with like a woman with seven kids it's to be honest that is your life is so different than mine that i don't even know that i know understand it well enough to be able to like do a character of it do you know what i mean like i the idea of having will you make a joke about me on stage i could but i like you i don't have a i don't i'm not feeling a compulsion to like make fun of

you in any way why i just i want someone to think i'm a big deal you are a big deal but i told the

author yesterday she killed a plumber in one of a plumber that she had work for her um yeah she

was like i hated him and i killed him in a book like i want that like kill me in a book name a

character after me something that's amazing do you know what i mean yeah no i'm worthy yeah no

you're good if you bring me up in new york just let me know like this is for you and i'll be like

Thank you. And I'll be like, perfect.
Actually, I'll just come to one of you. When's your next show? Tomorrow.
Are you fucking kidding me? What time? 7.30. Are you fucking? I have to leave at 2 o'clock.
The next time I'm here. I was going to do a comedy show at 10 in the morning.
Oh, I guess that's not the ambiance. That's not the vibe.
Okay. Fair.
But next show, I would love to come. I think that would be so fun.
Yeah, you should come. I've never been to a New York comedy show.
I've been to comedy shows in LA. And then I went in Philly because it's so close to us.
Okay, so talk about your shows in February. February 4th and 5th.
Okay. I'm doing Joe's Pub in New York City, which is my favorite place to perform.
Two nights. It's the hour I've been touring.
Really fun. And then I'm doing four shows in New Orleans Valentine's Day weekend.
So the 14th and 15th of February. I'll be in New Orleans.
Come see me there. Right after the Super Bowl.
Oh, shit. Really? Yeah.
I think the Super Bowl is the weekend before. In New Orleans? Yeah.
Oh, shit. That'll be fun.
No, that'll be fun. I was going to go, but then I was like, they said it's not kid friendly so i was like okay never mind yeah we were just actually in new orleans and it was my first time there i'd never been to bourbon street i've i've i haven't been to new orleans since i was like truly five years old so i'm really excited no i was thoroughly impressed and i wish that i had more time there so that'll be great for you i'm super excited yeah that's really fun so what does a day in the life look like for you on like going on a tour, like a tour date specifically out of state? Yeah.
Like out of state. Totally.
So I usually, I, I, I, there's a lot of variables. It depends.
Like sometimes I'll route the shows. And so I'll have like a week where I'm doing like four cities and then that's like a little bit more like really crazy.
Right. Um, so like, and then if I'm just doing like a one-off weekend where i'm just going to like like this weekend i'm going to atlanta oh um and it's like that i make it a little bit more leisurely just to make it nice so like i'm flying and this is me i'm also like being a little fiscally responsible with this because like i'm spending more money than i need to but like i'll'll fly out the day before, stay there and then leave the day after.
Okay. So you have a little bit more time.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. So like, but so it usually involves like, but yeah, so basically it's like flying there, checking into the hotel, figuring that out.
Um, my show has like the slightest bit of tech. So then I usually have to get to the venue like an hour early to kind of like run over that and just get situated.
And then I do the – I'll meet the people who are opening for me unless I brought them. But oftentimes I let the venue book them.
And then I'll meet them and like chat with them sometimes. Do like a little kind of pace around the green room like prepping mentally for like just kind of like running through what i'm gonna do um then i'll do the show then i always go out after the show and do like like i like not a meet and greet like i don't charge for it but i'll go out and like say hi to people who are waiting and want to say hi and take a picture and i'll do that and that's always super fun and then i my favorite thing to do after that is i love to go out in like whatever cities i'm in it's gay bars and just check out the gay bars and see what they're like in that town yeah um because like every town's kind of has like its own like flavor and vibe yeah um which was your favorite what city do you think the standout so far because like like obviously like new york i love yeah san francisco is amazing la i have like so many friends there so like that was super fun the one that like kind of was like the sleeper hit was minneapolis really incredible so fun yeah have you ever done asbury pride i've been asbury park many times but i've never done asbury park pride okay i've done that that's actually where i met my ex-girlfriend actually no she saw me that's we didn't actually meet there um i'm gonna go this year okay fine yeah i like asbury i love asbury park it's such a fun town um yeah so minneapolis was like my standout but yeah and that's like a normal day But that's just like a hidden gem I wouldn'tbury Park.
It's such a fun town. Yeah.
So Minneapolis was like my standout. But yeah.
And that's like a normal day. And then I'll come back to New York.
But that's just like a hidden gem. I wouldn't have expected that.
Yeah. I think it's because like – I think it's because like there's a lot of rural area around it.
So it's a city that pulls in all the gay people from all those rural areas. So it kind of becomes like a little concentrated.
Yeah. And it's like – it's just so – it was just so fun.
We went to this bar called Saloon. It had like five different rooms.
There was a chicken finger stand. Oh, we go for the chicken fingers.
Oh, we go for the chicken fingers. Period.
It was so fun. And like that, the Minneapolis audience was like one of the best audiences I had.
Like they were so fun. Like we had such a fun show.
So I was like riding high when I went out. Like it was just like a great night.
Makes a huge difference. Oh, 100%.
Have you ever been to Dallas, like the gay bars in Dallas?

No, I've only done Austin in Texas. That's the only city I've done so far.
I actually love some of the gay bars in Dallas. I've heard that.
I was surprised. I was impressed because, I mean, it's Texas, right? Like I just didn't expect it.
Maybe in Austin I would have. I think sometimes in the cities where maybe not everyone in that city is as accepting or friendly or like just LGBTQ open,

the queer spaces are like that much more special and like that much more sacred and that much more like beautiful because they're like there's a true sense of like protection and love that is happening when like people in those spaces like gather yeah do you know what i mean no 100 so it adds this like level of like magic to it that's like really gorgeous so i that it almost like doesn't shock me okay you know what i mean yeah yeah no i had a great time um that was one of my favorite that asbury i'm trying to think of any other one i have never done like a parade oh you gotta oh i want to come to the new york one yeah i mean like that's it's a it's a it's a shit show but oh yeah of course but fun as hell, yeah. All parades are shit shows, so I think that wouldn't even matter.

But I've never done New York, and I'm here all the time, and it has never aligned.

And I have another friend, also a gay male, and he is like, I don't fucking want kids.

And I was like, I understand.

Yeah.

And I know gay guys who it's really important to them to have kids. Well, I was just telling you about the dad I follow on tiktok he is a single gay dad he chose to do it by himself like he doesn't have a partner great happy for you you know what i mean like whatever you choose but i also um i understand all of it and i don't i don't fault anybody for any of that but so when you you're my age you're 32 and you said you have a six-year-old sibling that is so crazy to me because i think about my oldest and my youngest right 15 and one yeah he'll graduate high school and the year later my one-year-old will go to kindergarten so but yours is an even bigger gap so do you sort of that's the craziest thing i've ever heard so do you feel like more of an uncle role yeah.
I mean, I think innately a relationship becomes more like just in terms of like relationally the term, you know, brother and sister can just have like, it doesn't look the same for every relationship. You know what I mean? Right.
There are aspects of how like my sister and I are two and a half years apart. We have the same two parents.
Okay. We were together for everything.
You know what I mean? So like there are like, there are aspects of like our personality. I mean, we're, her and I are so different.
We're close, but we so like there are like there are aspects of like our personality i mean we're her and i are so different we're close but we're so different like there are aspects of her and i's life that like no one will get but her and i right you know what i mean and i think that is like what traditional sibling relationships people kind of think about is like someone who like experienced the same childhood you did to an extent right i mean obviously there's differences because like of age differences in gender and just time and place but like no one experiences similar childhood to me as my sister with my brothers they're you know they're 10 and 14 15 oh no 15 years younger than me so that's not quite like uncle vibes but it it is like, I am their older brother.

You know what I mean?

Like there's,

I think there's like a,

there's an age I'm from a totally different generation than them.

I was,

one of them was two when I went to college.

There's more of like a,

there's,

it feels like more of,

I have like a responsibility as an adult.

And then like,

obviously with my youngest sister,

she's,

I'm literally 27 years older than her.

So like that feels more like,

like in terms of like the dynamic of the relationship I think it probably looks more like uncle uncle niece you know it just gives me perspective though because I did grow up an only child and I have seven kids that there are gaps between them so it's giving me perspective um I don't know what to expect from siblings like I have no idea I think what you said about your relationship that you have or the the same dynamic that you have with your sister who's two and a half years younger than you is sort of what I expected when I had siblings but it doesn't always play out that way right like sometimes you could be a year apart and you're just not close oh I mean but that's the other thing me and my sister hated each other growing up childhood fought like cats in boxes like absolutely never got along and i remember like i remember i went to when i went i did i went to college at uvm my state school and i only went there because it was the only school i could afford like i got into my i got into like my dream schools and couldn't afford to go to them so i went to uvm was like devastated about it didn't really like it so then i found this really cheap program to go abroad for all of my sophomore year and i remember like at some point in those first two years of college my mom like kind of like sat me down or talked to me i don't really remember like my mom let me know like your sister is really hurt about how oh it was my freshman it was my freshman year it was before i went to england um my sister my mom like, your sister's really hurt about how rarely you call her. And I was like, why would she ever want to hear from me? That girl hates me.
I was like, mom, you're wrong. There's no way.
I was like, there's no way. She's never said a nice thing to me in my entire life.
And I'm almost not being hyperbolic. I was like, that girl hates me.
Why would I ever call her? Not even because i'm mad i'm just like you know it'd be like it's just like she doesn't like me why would we talk on the phone and then it turned out like she did you know what i mean and then like but it was the kind of thing but then we would talk and we would fight like we just had it took us so long to get to a place where we could be close yeah and now we're super close and we still fight sometimes like there I mean there's things that's everybody yeah and there's there's also like I think because you were children together once like my sister can do something that'll piss me off in a way like no one else will and I'll go from zero to a thousand in a way where like if my friend did the same thing it would piss me off and I'd go from zero to like 11 but like siblings just something else. And so you learn how to navigate it as an adult.

Was your sexuality ever a point of contention in your relationship with your sister or in your family?

My family was super supportive of it.

Like I always say, like there was like bumps in the road of processing it, I would say.

But like no one was ever going to kick me out of my house.

I was never like unsafe because of my sexuality in my family. I think that like it it's hard to explain i feel like sometimes my friends and i talk about this a lot talking about being like gay and closeted like longer than 10 years ago because i've been out of the closet for almost 17 years now like being closeted like over 10 years ago is like hard to talk about on like a public platform now or talk to like younger queer people now because it was such a different time okay and like i think people think about it in black and white where it's like are people and homophobic or are they not and it's like there were people like a lot of like people in my life would make like very homophobic jokes or like make pejorative comments about gay people but like they didn't have like vitriolic hate towards queer people and they didn't have just like more like it was just culturally like mainstream movies and tvs made punchlines about gay people like you know like things like that but it was like so there was like nuances to it like i i knew that gay people were still viewed as like less than but like within my family and circles i was like no one's unsafe for being gay here no one's like completely rejected for being gay here no one's getting and then once i came out the level of acceptance like even ramped up even more and now my family is like very queer friendly and they but and they always were to an extent but it just was different back then it's hard to explain like there are jokes that got made in front of me before that would never be said now and also i think anytime if any of my family that said those jokes now were to hear it they'd be horrified but it was like normal back then and it didn't hit as percussively towards them because they weren't gay what do you think the what do you think the um the change was what do you think the flip was i think that me being gay and also i think there was a larger public conversation about like the i don't know the more open diet more of an open dialogue i guess so yeah i don't know i think that like i think there was an overcorrection that's happened since of like not being able to make any sort of like harsh joke about like any identity or anything like that but back then it used i mean you were there we were you were like young then like like the humor that was we that the humor that was like mainstream humor when like you and i were like 10 to 15, 16, 17 was like hard.
Oh, you're gay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. Like, and things like that.
And so I think, but like, no, my sister was never like, fuck you, you're gay. My sister was always like super supportive.
I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like no one in my family was like homophobic in like a real way. As far as I know, it's the same sort of experience.

I have an uncle who we grew up in a really small town, like super small. And we just nobody questioned him.
It was like he brought a man home and it was just like, you don't come out as straight. So we're not going to ask if you're just new.
Yeah. But I didn't have that same experience.
I had after I had my first son, I think before my second son, I had said to my mom and I don't have a good relationship with my mom, so I don't even know what propelled me or what made me say anything to her specifically. But I was like, I think I'm gay.
And she was like, I never went through that phase. And that was the last conversation I ever had surrounding the topic of being, you know, yeah queer community or anything related to that I just never said anything again I was just like okay and just acted like it didn't happen yeah it sucks when like it fortunately my family that was not the reaction at all like yeah but I also I think the other thing was like for me when I was like I say this all the time it's like I was like a really really effeminate child okay and so I was not someone who had to come out in any sort of way that was like shocking my coming out was more like a stopping of denying like I you know I was called gay but not forced out though right not the thing was like there was nothing to out me about because I guess like I had hooked up like a few times but like it's not like I secretly had a boyfriend or was like secretly like sucking dick behind the bleachers all the time or something like i just like but like i like i was definitely gay and like but like i got called gay the first time when i was like literally five before i was like wait but that's not you can't you can't sexualize a child but i was like feminine i was like very feminine but like and i'm not talking like i'm talking about like my other five-year-old like i don't know like it was like like so it was just more like a stopping of denying i don't even know how we got on this oh so like it wasn't i also think that was part of it it's like it wasn't no one was like shocked no one was like wait what like people were kind of like i remember my mom was like i think my mom by the time i came out was like very emotionally prepared for that conversation because she knew at some point it was going to happen you know what I mean sure and I think like my sister to some extent I think like my sister and I it was funny because I just don't think my sister and I at that point had any sort of rubric for having like vulnerable conversation like we would all we did was like fight so for me to sit down and like have like an open honest moment with her like we had no skill set for her to be like oh thank you for telling me she was like okay because like all we did was fight so okay and I was like okay cool you cool and she's like yeah and I was like cool and then I like left the room like I kind of remember like that big like I think she was in her bed and I like walked in I'm like standing in front of her I was like I'm gay and she was like okay and I was like cool and like walked out of the room like her and I just didn't have the tools to have like open and honest and vulnerable conversation yeah we do now as adults but yeah I remember walking into my uncle's house one time he had gotten a new house and I was so young that I still didn't like I knew what being gay meant but I also like didn't put two and two together yet and I walked in he's showing us his room and like the whole house it was stunning and I go why do you guys have two alarm clocks and my mom looks at me me and she goes, they wake up at different times.
And I just didn't, I still didn't compute. And then like later on, like weeks later, I was like, wait, oh, he's gay.
Like I get it. And I just like, didn't care.
It was just like. Oh, because you didn't understand that they slept in the same bed.
They slept in the same bed. They woke up at two different times.
But I knew that they were together, but I didn't know it was a romantic. Like I don't, I don't think it just just they've been together as long as I've been alive do you know what I mean like that's like one of those things like I think that a lot of people don't under didn't understand back then is also like it was it's not a big deal to gay kids and or sorry queerness in general is not a big deal to children until adults tell them it's a big deal it wasn't a big deal right totally I think my mom was just for my experience with my mom my mom's an asshole right like we don't have a good relationship but she's not homophobic i think it was just like i look back and i'm like yikes but also her brother's gay do you know what i mean and so it's just like and i just didn't it didn't compute to me it wasn't a big deal and so i've just been raised around it my whole life um And I think also just being around it was really, in my opinion, was helpful.
Because it's just like, I think the people that are super, super homophobic are, might be gay. Yeah.
Sometimes I think it's a litany of things. Yeah, for sure.
I also think it's not unrelated. I think just in general, a lot of that shit is not unrelated to what you were talking

about earlier of people who get really mad, like people with kids who get really mad at

people who don't have kids, where it's like you're jealous of someone making a decision

that you didn't think you were allowed to make.

Or that they're secure in their decision.

Yeah.

Maybe you're insecure.

Or had felt free enough in their life.

And not even that you wanted to make that same decision, but the fact that you're seeing

someone make a choice that you did not know was available to you.

Or you weren't willing to, or you felt too peer pressured. Yeah, I mean, it'll let me willing to or you felt peer pressured yeah same thing yeah no i would wholeheartedly agree with you um are you uncomfortable with doing some takes on unpopular opinions sure let's do it okay main character energy is a cute way of saying attention whore oh you know i go both i really go both ways on this i really go both ways on this because i think that like some of the most egregious shit that people do like annoying shit that people do especially in new york they then cite main character main character energy and it's like they're cutting the line like they're like cutting a bathroom line being like main character energy it's like no you're being an asshole you're being an asshole you're a but i do think it's like helpful to view yourself.
I think it's like one of those things where it's like if you're someone who's worried about being self-centered or worried about being a tension whore or worried about being- Then you are. What? Then you are.
No, I was going to say the opposite. Okay, okay.
If you're worried about it, you probably aren't because you're being considered enough to be worried about it. That's like, you know, am I a narcissist? You're probably not if you're questioning it.
Exactly. You have that self-awareness.
Yeah. Okay, fair.
So it's like, I think it can be helpful for somebody to be like, put yourself as the main character of your own life. Like stop centering someone else, someone else's concerns.
So I like respect that. But I think the, I think it has been co-opted into something like demonic.
I have a, my seven year old is, and if you ever do a deep dive in my social media, like he is true main character energy. And he says to me all the time, he's going to be in movies one day.
And I believe and i believe him he is main character but he's seven years old he doesn't know what an attention whore is so in that way i do also think that like it depends on the situation some people just want to be a star and like are and they are like you because you knew thank you you know you knew um i'm are you here for the nepo babies or you're not here for the nepo babies i think i'm here for people with talent doing good work so like if someone's talented i don't really care i will say i wish i was a nepo baby i mean who doesn't okay fair who doesn't who doesn't want to have rich parents who doesn't want to have rich parents i mean like look like does do i think like i think sometimes when you have that like access to that level of privilege it has its own problems and maybe makes you can make be lead you more prone to like depression or malaise or being an asshole like sure but like plenty of other life circumstances can if someone like if someone is talented and the work they do is good i don't really care that they're a nepo baby if that's not the case maybe i do care more let me look up the definition because like are my kids are they like b-list nepo babies your kids are nepo babies like if they have a trust fund they're a nepo baby it's not well yes but i think it's more so also just like think about like like think like let's like think about your life like you were in delaware in like a rural town and you kind of hit the lot not you like you hit the lottery like you got on an mtv show at 16 and then were an interesting enough personality and like got did the thing and now like look where you are like think about like what actual what the shot of you having the level of success you had in the entertainment industry was like being where you were in delaware at that like when you were 14 like compared to what your kids are in terms of proximity they have to like a mom with a podcast network this says a person who gains success or opportunities through familial connections yeah so it's not the trust fund it's not the money not the money. It's the connections.
It's not what you know. It's who you know.
I think that like, I think that some people use nepotism to talk about people with rich. That's what I was thinking.
But I think nepotism does mean connection. But I think where it gets blurry is that rich people know rich people.
So even people with rich parents. I don't know anybody rich.
Sure. But I think a lot of times like someone's rich parents, like maybe their dad isn't in the entertainment industry, but they play golf with like an executive at Universal or whatever.
There's things like that that I think happen. But I, again, to answer, am I pro or against? I don't.
If they're talented and the work is good, I don't really care. I mean, I feel, and I don't know if I'm biased because my son is just amazing, but he is fluent in ASL and I feel like he's using that and he goes on his Instagram and he's doing reels for, you know, speaking in sign language and doing things like that.
I feel like that to me, he's using it for good. Yeah.
Why not? I mean, you're self-taught. You are taking classes at the school for the deaf and things like that.
So to me, I feel like that's to what you're saying. You know saying.
You know what I mean? Okay. I'm not a fan just despite whatever people are saying, contrary to popular belief is a better way to put it.
I don't use filters on my pictures. I just prefer not to, I just feel like if you're going to meet me in person, I'd rather you love me or hate me in person.
I don't want you to see a filter on my face and then see me in person and be like, Oh yeah. Totally.
Um, are we here for the filters? Are we not here for the filters? don't no i mean i think you look great in person so it doesn't matter you don't need them um yeah no i don't use them and i i guess like i don't really have a thought process as to why i just have it like i also don't judge other people who do use them yeah i don't care i guess unless like i think the only thing that gets really shisey is if you're selling sort of any sort of like fitness

or wellness or thing and you're using filters like that feels

fucked up to me yeah um but like otherwise i just don't really care

i think like there's a practical thing where you have to think about like what

is the realistic solution where it's like

the internet makes people feel like shit about their bodies

and like their faces all the time yeah like that is true and i think we should

like do stuff to like prevent that from happening but like

Thank you. where it's like the internet makes people feel like shit about their bodies and like their faces all the time yeah like that is true and i think we should like do stuff to like prevent that from happening but like the reality is like we kind of can't stop people from using filters and we kind of can't stop people from using facetune to change like what their bodies look like in photos so like the solution has to come from within to an extent of like you as a person have to learn how to like not compare not obsess now i will say that if i roll out of bed right and i look crazy i'll throw a filter on that filters the entire mainly on like instagram story where it's like a filter like a sepia sepia situation i feel like that or even like the smoothing filter on on tiktok i don't really think that there's anything wrong with that like if you just but if we're talking about like facetune i've never i'm not using facetune on my face i've seen makeup artists who do my makeup and they'll facetune the makeup they did on my face and then they'll post it and one no that's that should be illegal because now you're selling services that don't exist yeah no i totally agree with that and also you made my chin look weird that's the same thing with like that's what like what i'm saying with like like if you're gonna sell if you're selling like workout plans on instagram but you're face tuning your abs like that is false advertising no for sure i mean is my tummy tuck false advertising if i'm like oh i'm skinny well you just said publicly that you have a tummy tuck so like that means no okay perfect um do we like dancing videos on social media like tiktok instagram things like that or Or how do we feel about those? I like watching a professional dancer dance.
I wish I could dance. And one time, pretty recently, it was like three years ago, I tried to do this transition with a dance.
And people were like, you thought you ate. I will never in my life even try.
Oh, sweetie, you're never seeing a dance video from me. That's not happening.
Can you dance, though? I can, like, shake my ass at a party or at the club, sure. But, like, I'm not doing choreography.
Right. I could do a little two-step here and there.
Yeah. But, like, no, no, no.
That's not happening. Like, I'm not doing.
Like, Renegade was never happening for me. Yeah, I'm not doing Renegade.
I'm, like, honestly not doing the Apple Dance. I could do the Apple.
What's like from the Brat album well who's the Brat album Brat Brat Summer is that a person wait this is oh my god this there's nothing crazy when you realize how like being gay is such a bubble you don't know about Brat or Brat Summer or the Apple Dance is this a person that Brat is the name of a Charlie XCX album that was like one of the biggest albums this year. I'll be honest with you.
I don't know about Brat or Brat Summer or the Apple Dance? Is this a person? Brat is the name of a Charlie XCX album. That was like one of the biggest albums this year.
I'll be honest with you. I don't know a single Charlie XCX song.
Okay. Wait.
Like, does this song? Well, you're on TikTok. Hold on.
Does this stand right? Not the right side of TikTok, evidently. Does this song, like, sound familiar to you? No.

No? Okay. You should listen to

Brad. It's a good album.
Okay.

But there was like a dance to this song that was

like very popular. And I can literally pull up the dance

because I know that I follow the girl who did it.

I just love when people break

news to me.

That's like eight months old.

Let me go like this. Okay.
The vibes. I love this.
Wow. Wait, is this like rave music? Or like, remember Panic at the Disco? Like that sort of vibe? Is that the vibe? Two different...
I would say yes, it's rave music. No, it's not like Panic at the Disco.
Okay. It's like...
Because I love Panic at the Disco. It's not Panic at the Disco.
no it's not like panic at the disco okay it's like i love it's not panic at the disco it's like manic at the rave kind of would be more the vibe that's the next man they're gonna make a full 360 comeback that's crazy that you've never heard of brat okay cool i love that well you're teaching me new things and i'm gonna go back to my house and just show my kids that i'm the cool mom i think your son's gonna be like, yeah, mom, I know. He's going to roll his eyes.
If he's done the Apple dance. Yeah.
Your son definitely knows who Charlie XCX is. Well, so, okay.
A couple weeks ago, I was in the car on my way to Philly and the camera person that I know and love and I use him for a lot of stuff was like, oh, I could see you doing this to Hot To Go. And I and he said kill hot to go like it's an old trend do you listen to music at all really are you not like a music person I mean that like I do listen to music but I think I'm just not listening are you more like listening to country no I think I'm because I'm listening to 90s and early 2000s you're just not listening to new stuff yeah so when he told me about hot to go And I'm like i don't know what's going on and so i learned it that night at my live show like i just learned hot to go but i didn't know what was going on having kids keeps me young maybe i should keep having that's so funny is there anything else i should know like trending i know heidi montag's song uh i'll do it the one that came out 15 years ago that like is now just resurfacing yeah i put it on my last instagram post for her i mean yeah god bless but um thank rihanna no i think like let's start i think after i think on your drive back to delaware later listen to brat listen to um the chapel run album chapel run is the singer singer rise and fall the midwest princess i think she come from i feel like she came out of nowhere just like bobby althoff see i don't know who that is yes you do i know it's it's the one that did the drake interview in the bed no i don't i don't know what you're talking are you a drake fan i'm i'm like a hit or miss it's like i don't care i like some of it i like some of his music but like not no who's like your number one go-to to listen to oh that's hard it really changes i mean like my like diva that raised me is lady gaga for sure for sure but like i listen i listen to like a lot of music do you listen to country a little bit okay a little bit but not a ton what about post malone um i've never like super connected i do really like the song with beyonce and he looked so good during that Beyonce performance.
Yeah. But I, oh, I did never like super connected.
I do really like the song with Beyonce and he looked so good during that Beyonce performance.

Yeah.

Um, but I, oh, I did like that one song on the Spider-Man soundtrack,

Sunflower.

Oh, okay.

I like that song.

Yep.

I'm a big posty fan.

I think that's also just different genres.

So Charlie XCX and Chapel Rhone are, would they be like considered pop?

Yes.

That's probably why I haven't heard. Okay.
Um, But I know like my, I took my son to Olivia Rodrigo. Fabulous.
And then we're going to go to Tate McRae. Fabulous.
I've never heard her music before, but I will. And I'm excited for that.
You're more into R&B. I do love R&B.
Are you listening to Tinashe? No. That's who you need to.
I know who, I've heard her, though. You need to be listening to Tinashe.
I love Ella Mai

and... Oh, amazing.
Just so

good. Breakfast in Bed, that song is so good.

Ella Mai is slept on.

Like, I know she's getting... Ella Mai is slept on, for sure.

Why, though? She's so talented.

I think there's so much, like,

it's like

algorithms. I feel like, I don't know,

it's such an insane world to try to break out.

There's so many people out there now. But, no, you should check out Tinashehe I think you would really connect with her music well how do you feel about Bad Bunny oh I know he's so hot he's hot I like a lot of his music and everyone's like really going up for the new album I haven't listened to it yet but I'm excited too I think it's a love story to Puerto Rico yeah so it's not like what he's typically has has done in the past but I respect it I i think that that's great um how do we feel about people canceling plans rude not rude self-care like how do you feel i think there's it depends all on timing i think outside of 24 hours it's not rude i think like just being like hey like i'm not feeling well or this thing came up obviously depending if it's like a big plan that like if it's like a reservation that was really hard to get and you've been looking forward to it like they're within that day of canceling pisses me off unless it's an emergency no i agree but like day of canceling i really hate i have gone back and forth with this because i have i feel like i fell into the trap from social media specifically where it's like oh canceling plans is self-care but like it's not always no it's just fucking you're being an asshole i also think in general there was this like thing that was kind of going i feel like every generation develops a version of this and i feel like that i really remember hating it when millennials were doing it and i feel like it's kind of coming up in gen z now where like it becomes like cool to be anti-social like there was like very much that like that like that like millennial thing of like like like being like what what people thought my 20s would be and it's like people at a club and like what i actually wanted my 20s to be and it's like drinking wine alone on the couch and it's like so that's like lonely alcoholism like let's be serious like and i just feel like there was this thing of like people being like there were so many memes about like being so excited when someone else cancels plans and i was like that's never been my experience like i want to be out in the world with people and socializing and i'm not saying everyone has to be an extrovert but i think sometimes i'm like i think what you actually guys are actually doing is falling into like the traps of capitalism where now all you do is work and then you don't spend time with your like friends and be out and be social um i feel like it's like i'm very pro like no go do plans be out there i mean it's why i live in new york know what I mean? I like a little bit of like in a 30 days month, right?

I'll make plans like two days out of the month.

Like I don't want to do it all the time.

But I think the happy balance of like pouring into myself, also my kids, also my partner.

I want to make sure that I do have friends.

But the friends thing right now in my life is small doses.

Also, I work with my best friends. Well, that's part of it.
Which is weird for a lot of people because a lot of people can't work. Like I love Alessandra so much.
I have an assistant that was my best friend before she worked for me. Right.
So in a way, I'm sort of getting the best of both worlds. And I think that there is a happy medium.
But you have to be careful and tread that line sort of lightly. You know what I mean? Yeah.
I mean, I'm sort of the opposite where I would say I'm maybe staying in two nights a month. Oh, okay.
I'm like out there always. Yeah.
But similarly, but almost the opposite, like I don't have any kids. And part of why I know I don't want kids is because I like this part of my life of super social and two one of the only things that has sucked about not even one of the only downsides to becoming a full-time comedian is i lost co-workers i don't have i work alone yeah do you know what i mean yeah my working is like writing alone on my laptop going and like obviously if i go to a show like i have like fellow comics right like i'll see them there but that might be one hour of my day that might not be like a real right but like back when i worked in restaurants, you know, I would see like, obviously if I go to a show, like, I have, like, fellow comics.
Right. And, like, I'll see them there.
But that might be one hour of my day. That might not be, like, a real, like, a true friend.
Right. But, like, back when I worked in restaurants, you know, I would see, like, I would have, like, my crew of people that I saw, like, 30 hours a week.
And, like, did I like working in restaurants? Like, yes and no. But, like, did I like having friends that I, people I became friends with that I saw, like, 30 hours a week? Yes, I did like that.
And that's gone from my life. So to fill that social tank, I'm out there a lot.
Like, if you're out out, if you're coworkers or your friends, I think that makes a lot more sense. Yeah.
And I think there's also like that fine line between like your coworkers are not your friends, but in this industry and what I do for work, it's very different than when I worked at the dentist office. Yeah.
They were my friends at work, but they weren't my friends outside of where this, I would hang out with Alessandra. I mean, we went to Barnes and Noble last night, like i'd hang out with her we also have common interests so i think that plays a factor too so it's just a little bit different um and then last one new york city gays are better than la gays i think they're just different again i think it's just different i think that like you know people of like taste move to like cities like you know what i mean yeah i just think they're different I do I connect more with New York always it's my home you know what I mean um but I don't think there's anything I always think that like people who get really obsessed on like this versus that with like the cities it's like you're you're insecure in your own city do you know what I mean like if you really fucked with like New York gays like you to shit on the LA gays.
You know what I mean? You'd just be like a New York gay. Is there hate between the gays? I wouldn't say hate.
Is there animosity? I think that there's like teasing. Really? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.
I didn't know about it until it was on air. Yeah, I feel like there's like the stereotypes.
But again, I think it's like very internet based of like on Twitter and stuff. Like you'll have like, and it's la like i feel like there's like a lot of jokes about like dc gays or like oh really yeah for sure or like boston gays like i feel like there's like stereotypes within the gay community of the different cities and i think that shit's all fun but at the end of the day if someone's like i fucking hate gays from dc it's like jesus you know what i mean like can you do the trend have you seen the trend this is completely unrelated where um the gay guys are like going I'm gonna talk to my mom in my in my deep voice and she goes what the fuck are you doing why are you talking like well you know I have a bit about this online no I didn't know that okay so something really crazy that happens all the time is that people will comment on my videos accusing me that my voice is fake that this isn't my real voice you know it's definitely and people talk about it all the time like i get comments on it they'll be like why does he do that with his voice or like why does he make his voice gayer for views like i get that and it's so crazy because like i get i was as a child i was like as you talked about i was like literally bullied for how i talk and so it's like so crazy for me to people so then i do i did like a whole series of videos where i like revealed my real voice to be like sorry guys you caught me like can you.
Can you do it? What is it? It takes me a minute to get into it, but yeah, I can do it. Ask me some questions and answer it.
What's your favorite color and why? It sort of depends on the season and what event I'm going to. I really like – you know, during the summer I tend to stay like more neutrals.
I like – That feels so unnatural. It's uncomfortable.
But it's like, yeah, I have to. I try to set my voice in a little bit lower part of my throat and, you know, just be honest and open about who I really am and how I actually talk.
And it feels uncomfortable because it's it's scary being who you actually are, you know, and I can only do it for so long before I start to actually feel crazy. Like I have to talk in my real life.
No, but this is you. Yeah, for sure.
But the one that I – there was like two different ones that I saw. And the mom was like yelling at her son.
And she's like, why the fuck are you talking like – because she was like, mom, where's my charger? And she goes, why the fuck are you talking like that? And I was cracking up because I was like, you just, as a mom, you want your kids to be who they are. But I love that.
Okay. Before we go, tell us, where can people find your tour dates, first of all? So you can follow me.
If you follow me on Instagram, Jake W Cornell, you can, I post about everything there. And then I also, all my dates are on a website called punchup.live slash Jake Cornell.
Okay okay and you can sign up there and you'll get like alerts when my when I'm coming to like your

city or a city near you and then where can people find you on tiktok what's your jake w cornell

that's perfect love that thank you so much for coming on this was so fun thank you if you ever

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