Unfiltered Conversations with Sterling: Part 2

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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your fave villain, Kale Lowry.

And you're... You missed it.
Part one with Sterling aired on January 10th. It's two episodes back.
So feel free to go catch up on that one before you listen to this one. But if you've already listened and you're back for part two, I hope you love this one just as much.
Switching gears, changing gears. Also, we have matching cars now.
We do. And matching tattoos.
And matching. We do have matching tattoos.
We do. Oh, okay.
My legs are hairy. We got those in 2016.
2016. We also got our nipples pierced in 2016 that was an incredible year we were off our rockers no no we were insane i had five boyfriends that year you did i had several actually when we got these tattoos my very first boyfriend ever came to the shop to the tattoo shop terrell oh my gosh he did i forgot about that did you know that was my first tattoo? Yes.
That was my very first tattoo. Shout out to Paul Todd.
He actually just started a podcast of his own where he's tattooing for the podcast. Like that's the, the podcast is people, because they're like therapists, you know, when you go get your hair done, your hair is your hairstylist is your therapist.
Right. But same way with tattoos.
Yeah. So his whole whole idea for the – I was like, Paul, you shouldn't be paying for a podcast.

I should sign you to my network for that.

Did he?

We just haven't talked about it from there.

Do you have other people on this network?

Yeah.

You do?

Yeah.

Ooh.

Alessandra's on it.

I just signed Caitlin and Ty from Teen Mom.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

They're launching next month.

Okay. So it's not – this isn't your podcast name.
This is your network. Killer.
Killer Network is my podcast company. Killer Network podcast company.
This podcast is called Barely Famous, but it's under the Killer Network. And all three of yours are under Killer.
No, only two. Coffee Combos, since it's the original podcast, is not under killer.
I'll need to get me more educated. I don't listen to podcasts.
That's okay. I would like to.
I guess I don't know. Maybe because my kids are always in the car.
I don't do to. Yeah.
It's weird because I'm not going to listen to something that my kids shouldn't be. Okay.
So maybe that's it. I've literally – I think I've only ever listened to maybe one or two podcasts, but it was times that like my kids were not in the car.
Yeah, because I mean, they're not really kid friendly, honestly. And it was not even, it was, I think it was when Snooki had a podcast with Joey.
I think they still have it. They were hysterical.
I need to say something else. Was it a memory? Yes, it's a memory.
Do you remember when we were in California? I don't think we've ever told anybody this. I'm scared.
Maybe one person. We were in California.
I don't know if it was for a reunion or if it was for the Grammys. And we left that restaurant.
And as we were walking, we both smelled something and looked at each other. Oh, my God.
Okay. At the same time.
No. Okay.
We were filming for Teen Mom. Yes, we were filming.
Because Tony larry no tony and larry they were both there yes but tony was the producer at the time yeah so i had this producer tony we loved him yeah we loved him um he was a producer for the like several years before i got a new producer so we're walking down the street this is like you guys know what episode this is where i'm fighting with my ex over the phone. I'm a horrible mom.
This was the Grammys. Yeah, it was.
Yeah. This was the Grammys trip.
Oh, might I add, they were, the crew was fuming at us because we were supposed to be up and ready to film at eight o'clock in the morning. And we left them outside until almost noon because we were like, we don't want to do this.
And we were just hoping they'd go away. Sorry.
And they didn't go away. They were sitting there.
I was like, Oh my gosh, we really have to do this. We definitely did that a few times.
There was a lot of footage that they could not use of us filming together because we would, they would tell us to talk about something and we would talk about something completely opposite of your storyline so that they couldn't use it because we were just like, no, we're not. Or we dead ass look at them and be like, we're not talking about that.
Anyways. I don't remember that.
We filmed a lot together and they did not use even a fraction of it. Because they are sick of us.
Because we would, they would tell me to ask you something. And you'd be like, I'm not asking that.
I would look at them and be like, I'm not asking that. No, flat out.
She would be like, I'm not doing that'd be like I'm not asking that I would look at them like I'm not asking that no flat out she would be like I'm not doing that like I'm not asking I'm not doing that no I was so defiant I was like I'm not doing that I was like she just I would look at them and be like can we not make this about the kids please like why are we still talking about this you would say it just like that that's so funny oh my god not asking her that. It's like, that happened three months ago.
No one cares. Literally, but that's how it was.
Okay, so we're in California for the Grammys fighting with my ex over the phone, whatever. We're leaving this restaurant.
We actually saw Emma Roberts at that restaurant. We sure did.
She was sitting next to us and she's on the phone and she's like, I don't know what they're filming, like talking about shit. She probably doesn't remember that, so, I mean, hey Emma.
Hey girl. So we're walking on the phone and she's like i don't know what they're filming like talking about shit she probably doesn't remember that so i mean hey girl so we're walking down the street and these trees on the street or whatever it was like you know semen has a smell it does it does right it has a smell we're walking down the street and we have mics on and we're like oh my god do you smell that that literally our face goes and looked we made eye contact it smelled so i was like i literally looked at it i was like is someone having sex so she said that on the mics and then larry and tony were so upset they were like could not did not want to have this conversation with us but we're like why does it smell like that and i was like you know you what that smells like.
I think you said that to him. I did.
That's why people didn't like me. I feel like that's why people don't like me because I come very honest.
Why does it smell like semen? Why does it smell like semen outside? And it says some trees release chemicals that can make the air smell like semen. So we weren't crazy.
No, we weren't crazy, but people were calling me crazy because I've talked about it like sparingly throughout my life since then. I will never forget that moment.
Have you smelled it since then? Never have I ever smelled it again. No, I've definitely.
I mean, you have seven kids. I smell semen pretty often.
Well, I mean. It also, if you let someone not pull out, you will smell like a dead body.
I'm sorry, what? What did you just say? I said. What did you just say? If you have sex with someone and they don't pull out.
It smells horrible. No, you, like, hours later, if you're not, even if you shower and it's still kind of dripping out or whatever, you'll smell like a dead body.
Oh, I can't even. We're all celibate here.
No, I am. It's been almost two years.
I was just like, no, we're not. I was just like, do you see these three kids? I was just like, no kids to three kids in a year.
That is crazy. That's insane.
I think that's the kale effect. Am I going to be pregnant after this podcast? Do you want to be? No.
Okay. You're done? Yeah.
I shouldn't really ask that. I think that's a rude question, but.
I've always told you this. I thought you were going to have twins.
I wanted twin boys so bad. I always said once Tylee turns 10, I'm done and she's about to be 13.
Did you mean it though? Yes, I mean it. What if you met someone that you wanted to have a child with? Would you or would you just, that would be something.
I would let them know right off the bat that I'm not having any more kids. And that's a deal breaker than we, next.
Sorry. Fair.
Just because I feel like if I had kids in between Mila and like, like if I had like a five-year-old and like a three-year-old, I had four kids, I would probably have more, but I don't want my two oldest to be – like yours are all – like they have all good age gaps.

It's not like you have Isaac and one-year-old twins.

Fair.

Isaac and Lincoln and one-year-old twins.

Does that make sense?

Because your sister is what, 10 years older than you?

Yes.

And then how old are the siblings above her?

My oldest sister is 13 years older and my brother is eight years older.

So that's – I mean those are big gaps. So they were all together and then there was me by myself and I hated it.
That's why I won't do it because my two right now are growing up together and if I were to have another one, that one would be by itself. So Becky and I recorded a couple weeks ago about Christmas and she said that her Christmases changed pretty quickly.
So like she was used to it a certain way and then it just stopped because her siblings are so much older than her. That she basically was robbed of those same Christmas memories because of the age gap and how it all played out.
No, I literally cry. I've cried about that.
Because I don't think it's – it wasn't intentional. I think it just happened that way.
It's because they – you have that family dynamic with all those kids. And then when the youngest one comes up, it like okay well everyone's out the house except for this one and you wake up in the all the things like the excitement of waking up in the morning and all that you're doing it by yourself i remember when my my siblings were out of the house i was like i i just everything was just by myself i hated it essentially like only child yeah i wanted them.
And they're, I mean, my oldest nephew is only six years younger than me and he has a kid. So I'm a great aunt.
Okay. We're going to play a little.
Little game. All right.
What do you need brutally honest advice about? So answer it for each other. The way I smell.
Each other. Oh, each other.
Oh, that's. I's i'm like if i smell bad you need to tell me one time i was getting botox and sterling told me that i stunk she's like you've always stunk what that is such a lie no it's not what that is not a lie after lux was born i was like oh my god i smell so bad i really think it's the pregnancy hormones.
And you were like, Kale, you always smell like that. Then I like cried to bone and quay about it.
You're lying right now. Okay.
You guys, I am very honest. If somebody – I will tell some – my closest people, I'm going to let you know if you smell.
I'm going to say, hey, go put on some deodorant. I will say at that time, Lux was a newborn.
So I probably did always smell like that. And so it was like hormones, like rebalancing.
Cause I don't think I stink and I am very self-aware and I'm. No, you never stink.
Like never stink. Maybe you were joking.
I, I think the context of what I was meaning is maybe you've smelled like that all the time because of the pregnancy. What?

I don't remember saying that.

Oh, I do because I was traumatized.

I'm such an asshole.

I'm so sorry.

No, I truly have.

Sorry.

That is the reason why I am self-aware the way I am today about my smell.

Okay, repeat the question again.

But that is not.

I answered the question incorrectly. What is one thing the other person needs brutally honest advice about? Something that you need brutally honest.
Wait, wait, wait, what? You'll never guess what picture that Kristen just sent me. What? Remember how you just said that we got our nipples pierced in 2016? She got her nipples pierced.
I'm just kidding. Can you imagine Kristen? She sent me mine.
Oh my gosh. I was literally in the parking lot while you went and got that done.
So these were my, my boobs were really nice. Your body was T that year.
That's why you got knocked up three times. Four times.
Four times. Well, that year.
Oh. Three times that year.
Yeah. Like within a year, yeah.
Oh my gosh. We could talk for talk for hours okay what does she need advice about okay what do i need okay what what do i need advice about brutally honest advice about i don't think you need any really i'm perfect no i like i feel like you're pretty you're very level-headed and reasonable i don't – it's the same way I would never offer my advice to Alessandra.

Like y'all are very, very level-headed. Like y'all don't need brutally honest advice at all.
Like I can't think of a time where you did. I think I could disagree.
I think ours is the same. Men? No, I think we both need really honest, brutal honesty on like our smell.
Like I have, like you have to tell me. I literally will tell somebody, I will go in your face and be like, please make sure I don't see it.
You've done it to me. I'm like, please smell my breath.
Make sure I don't smell. And you're like, no, you're good.
Or you'll be like, here's some gum. gum yeah but I feel like both of us our answer is the same no I went to the bathroom and I did the same I always and then when I'm on the toilet I'll do this yeah because I need to know I need to know what I smell Elijah will be like did you just smell yourself and he acts like it's brand new every single time and I'm like you've seen me do this 700 times why are you asking me if I just I sure did.
I'm never going to be in a position again where I need someone to tell me that I stink. No.
There's nothing worse than being next to somebody that smells. And somebody's breath that smells like somebody just took a dump in their mouth is – my nostrils can't handle it.
but honestly, like when your breath smells, can you not taste it? I can taste it. Like right now, I could probably use a mint.
You had a mint in your mouth the other day. I did.
I eat mints all day. That's why.
I'm so self-conscious and I carry hygiene wipes. Alessandra had them in the car for me because I was like, I need a wipe.
And she's like, here. And I'll do it in the car.
I don't care. No, I don't care.
Just a little. Got to do what you got to do, honey.
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What's one thing you cherish about your friendship?

Cherish about the friendship?

You're like a sister to me, and you're honest with me every time.

No matter if my feelings are going to be hurt, you're going to be honest.

Yeah, yeah.

I also love that we pick up where we left off every time. So I could literally not physically see you for two years or three years, but I know at any given point I could call you.
Yeah. About anything.
Agreed. I also could ask that I cherish that our, we have done a good job at, even though the distance, how far we live, that our kids love each other still too.
Oh my God. Yeah.
I don't think people realize that Tylee and Isaac are like this. They still do this day.
I'll go upstairs. I'm like, who are you on the phone? I should be like, Isaac.
Do you remember when the kids got into the dinosaur digging kit with all the, it's like the fake concrete situation? Yep. And you're like, Tylee, did you get into, did you do that? And she was like, no.
And it was everywhere. It was, like, you're a terrible liar.
Terrible liar. Lincoln got into chocolate and I was like, did you eat some chocolate? And he's like, no.
And it's all over his face and you're like. Did you ever see when Lincoln was obsessed with saying what the foot? He'd go, what the foot? What the foot? What the foot? And we would just be like, what did you say? Just to hear because he couldn't say the he couldn't say the cu and he's I'm a towel boy oh yeah I'm a towel boy what the foot he was the towel boy I was obsessed with Lincoln he was a little squishy he still is I wanted to squeeze him and that's why he used to say that to Mila me want a her you want to kiss her say that to mila like i want to kiss her me you want to kiss her so he had cuteness aggression he did he would you want to kiss her he would walk up to her and go we probably have a video somewhere i do sir me i want to kiss her oh my god he had cute and i have that with him to this day i'm like oh i want to pinch you

and he's like mom i did that to him when we went for thanksgiving two years ago i was like i just want to squeeze you he's like stop you sound like my mom which we are um aunt sterling i could he's a button i just want to squeeze him you should see rio and then my aggression my my with isaac It's more like a softness.

Loving.

I'm like, ugh.

Whenever we met, he was four.

Yeah.

I went to his fifth birthday. Yeah.
He was a baby. Little baby.
He was Creed's age. And now he's in high school.
And I'm like, where's the time? Like he's going to have his license next year. Oh, that makes me want to throw up.
Yeah. Same.
Don't say that. Don't tell me that.
No. Yeah.
I mean, I know she only has one more year of middle school and she'll be in high school. That's so crazy too.
Good grief. We're old.
Okay. So yes, reverting back to that.
What do I cherish most? I feel like I agree with everything that you just said on top adding that the kids remain close. And I also, on top of the fact that we always can pick up where we left off is that I feel like people would never ever guess like our conversations we have.
Cause what we've ever, anything we've ever filmed is nothing like what our friendship is. No, absolutely not.
No. We in like the laugh until we pee, you always pee.
I still do. I always cry.
And the cry. I wear diapers now.
Good. No, in real life.
No, I remember you had one on at the show. I did.
You did. You couldn't tell.
Thank God. Yeah, your butt just looked really good.
It was the diaper. It was the diaper butt.
We could do this literally for hours. Literally.
So finish the sentence. You're the only person I can blank with.
Shower with. Would you shower with me? We have showers.
Yeah, I was going to say we probably have. Yeah, I would say you're the only person I can shower with besides Elijah, obviously.
Shower. You're the only person that would literally let like dig into my vagina.
If I had to. Yeah, like if I ever lost a tampon in there and I needed help, I'd call you.
I would dig it out. If I needed to shave and I couldn't get to crevices, I'd call you.
I'm fully probably going to be bathing you here in the next couple of days. True.
Will you empty my drains? Yes. Okay.
I'll do whatever you need. Shower.
What else? I also dig my toenails out. I'll dig your toenails out.
I also feel like it's a very not talked about enough topic is people that you travel with i when i go on vacation with people i actually let me revert back i don't go on vacation with people you're really the only person that i really go on like a true out of the country vacation with we've and we have fun we make the best of it even if it's a shitty situation. But you kind of have to go on vacation with people that are on the same level with you financially.
Yes, 1,000%. Otherwise, it's not an equal trip.
And I feel like that's why we've been able to travel together. I would agree.
We can pay for our own stuff. You and I have never fought about that.
That's another rumor. You pay for all my trips.
No, we fight about who's going to pay for stuff. Who's going to pay for stuff.
And I've even fought with your mother. You lose that battle every time.
Every time. But your mom is never going to let me pay for anything.
But I say all that to say I agree because I think there's resentment builds. And I don't mean that in a way that's like, oh, I have more money than you.
I don't mean that. Not you.
Not like in general, like for people. Like there is a resentment or the person that does have the funds wants to go do all these things.
And the person that doesn't have the funds is feeling like they can't say they don't have the funds or they're not having a great time because they can, keep up with the Joneses. And I don't love that.

And I don't ever, I would rather say no to a vacation altogether if I'm not on that same

level for that reason.

And I feel that as the person who can do all those things, I know, I know you are like

this.

So I'm speaking for both of us.

I know I'm like this.

I'm like, well, I'll just cover it. Because I want you, I want us all to enjoy it.
I want us all to have a good time. But I don't hold it against people.
Right. But I know other people do.
But I also like, it makes it, I feel like more for me, like going on vacation with somebody equal financially, it's hard to, I feel like I spend a lot of time trying to make them feel comfortable. Like's okay yeah and I feel bad because I feel like they feel like they're a burden yes and that in itself is kind of draining but like I obviously might out of the kindness of my heart like I'm like it's fine I'll do it like I'm not like you said not holding it against you but some people do though and I think that's where there was like you and I have done vacations with people yeah for's just like an uncomfortable thing.
Yeah. For both parties.
Yeah. Truly.
Because once you like keep making it a thing, it becomes draining for the person who's willing to pay for it. Because then – I mean not all people, but some people end up being like – I mean well, like going to dinner with people.
Oh, well, Kayla will get it. She'll cover it.
All the time. Oh, I'll go to dinner.
And we've talked about this. I grew up like, oh, well, we'll just go with Sterling because she'll take care of it.
You know? And it's like, I don't know. And I feel like I'm – I don't know.
At some point when you realize it, you're like, oh, this is not okay and this is exhausting. Am I buying this friendship? Because you don't realize.
Am I paying for this friendship? Right. You're like, am I funding this friendship?

I think so.

Yeah.

Well, I just pay for it in hush money and cars.

Right.

So when you need a new car, just, I guess, call me.

You've done a lot of things.

I think I need a new car.

I need a vacation soon.

Actually, I need a new house.

Imagine.

Could you see yourself, like yourself moving out of this house?

I think we have

one more move in our life, maybe. Really?

Would you stay in the Dallas area? Oh, yeah.

No, for sure. Stay in the Dallas area.
I want more

land. Land.
Yeah.

I like the size of my house. Yeah, I think

it's perfect. It actually might be

maybe a little too big for the three of us.

Yeah. I mean, one day I'll be married, so there four people in here that's true that is true um maybe you could build one instead of buying i've thought about it but it's like it's more expensive to do it but i definitely think the thought of moving makes my head spin okay in what ways do you think your differences complement each other wow i think our think our whole conversation has been that.
It has come full circle this whole episode. In what ways do our differences complement each other? I feel that there's a good balance because what qualities that Kale has, mine's the opposite.
But in a way, it balances out. I'm a hothead.
Always have been. I feel like you get a lot more stressed out.
I get worked up, worked up. Yeah.
And I'm like, I don't level headed a little more level headed. Maybe.
Yes. Not in a sense of like, I'm better than you.
I promise. No.
And a way that I get like super flustered. I get super worked up.
Um, and I'm like, calm down. Should we get upset about that? They're like, is it really upsetting? Is it really upsetting? Or is something else bothering you that made this upset you more? Let's get introspective.
Because I feel like every time people are upset with something, there's always something that was before that caused them to be more upset. To set them off.
Yes. 100%.
Like you're set off. Okay.
Something else happened. Yeah.
Because it's not that deep. It's not that deep.
Right. Right.
Right. I agree.
Like when Tylee is like in a bad mood and she says it's something, I'm like, okay, let's reel it in. There's something else that happened.
100%. Before that.
Yeah. Because you would not be this upset over that.
No, I agree. I had nothing to add to that one.
Okay. I don't think.
Period. We are just synchronized queens.
In unison. In unison.
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Is there a Buc-ee's around here? The closest Buc-ee's from my house is probably 25 minutes. So I'm going before I leave.
Yeah, let's go. Okay.
I'll take you to Buc-ee's. Okay.
Bring your wallet. You're going to spend a lot of money there.
Can't wait. You have to get the beaver nuggets.
Oh, the beaver nuggets. I will say that reading, my vocabulary has expanded.
What are you reading right now? I, I haven't read anything in the month of December yet. Okay.
And I, this is the first month I haven't read since. But we're Kindle girlies now.
I know. I am such a Kindle girly.
I don't even have this full copy anymore. Okay, here's the thing is, so I do, see, here's where I'm like toxic.
I have to, if I love it – You have the means. So why not? I have to – if I love it, I have to buy the physical copy of it to have on my shelf.
I feel that. So like if I read it on Kindle, like I read one that was on Kindle Unlimited.
I don't know if it was on Kindle Unlimited, but it was called Such a Quiet Place by Megan Miranda. Read it, ate it up in like less than 24 hours.
I've heard a lot about that author. That was my first book.
I haven't read it anymore. Loved it so much that I ordered it on Amazon the next day because I was like, I have to have this on my shelf because so now I'm like, I'm supporting them on Kindle.
But here's the thing that I don't love about Kindle. And maybe if authors have any insight here, like I do feel bad because they get like one cent from that purchase so if you buy it on Kindle they make like two cents but I feel like that's the price that they're paying for allowing it to be on Kindle because they have a choice true they do have a choice because like if you think of Colleen Hoover none of her books are on Kindle Unlimited okay but if you read Frida all of her books are on Kindle Unlimited.
Okay, but if you read Frida, all of her books are on Kindle Unlimited. Then she's got the funds.
She's got the means. She's got the means.
She's got the means. She's like, I'm doing great.
Here's my books for free. You bought the Kindle.
I don't need a cent. Y'all are all going to be reading my books.
I will say this, though. Colleen Hoover, if you're listening, I would love to talk to you when Verity becomes a movie.
Also, reminders of him because I told y'all that was my favorite book and so is Verity. Okay.
Those are both on my TBR and I – You haven't read them? I have not read them yet. First of all, the names in Reminders of Him, just the names alone, the character names alone are everything.
Ledger, Diem, Kenna. Like these are just like quality memorable names.
I read that book last year. She should have read those books before Having Seven kids because she would have used them.
No, truly. I read that book last year and I still remember the names.
Second to that, Verity is the – that name alone is crazy. That book is insane and if you have a weak stomach, don't fucking read it.
I don't have a weak stomach at all. Did you read it pregnant? No, I waited until after I had the twins.
I was warned because there's twins in the book. I was warned to not read it until I gave birth, which I waited until I gave birth.
And then as soon as I gave birth, I read it. And I understand.
I have to read it now. No, you have to.
That has to be the next book that you read. Well, actually my next book, I want to read How My Neighbor Stole Christmas or something like that.
Oh, actually I have a book club live this week on that book. Do you? Yeah, on the 27th.
It's going to be, I'll probably finish it in like a day or two. I'm going to read a lot while you're here.
Oh, yeah, my whole book club loved it. Because I.
I brought three books. You brought three.
And my Kindle. You'll finish that.
You'll finish all three of them. We got to sit on book club live.
Yeah, I'll read it tomorrow. It's, I've heard really great things.
Tomorrow and Sunday, I'll have it, I'll have it done by Sunday if I start tomorrow. Well, I mean, you have a whole week anyway, so if we end up getting – It's like really a small book.
I didn't read it, but I set out because I – I've heard so many good things about it. My book club loves it.
I want to read it. And just for how cute the cover – I judge a book by its cover.
That is a cute book cover. I will give books a chance if the cover is ugly, but I also will buy a book because it's nice.
Yeah, and then the book sucks. And I'm like, well, I guess it looks pretty on my shelf.
I speaking of you having you buying books, that's your toxic trait, even though you have a candle. Elijah one time was so upset at the cost of a book, an audio book.
Cause I was like, if you want to read, like maybe try listening. And he was just like, I think it was like $17.
And he was so, he was like $17 like for for for an like, he couldn't understand. So now the running joke in book club is like, don't let Elijah see the price of the book.
That's a little expensive. 99.
I always round it up. So you're not fooling me, honey.
When it says 1999. I'm like, it's $20.
He's like, No, it's 19. I'm like, it's $20.
But what were you about to say? The books? Do you have a library? No. Okay.
So I do have a little bit of a shelf, but I read books myself. It's literally five of them on there.
It's fine. I wanted to buy you a book for Christmas.
A couple of books. I did, but you have so many.
I didn't know which ones you had. I wanted, but I wanted to get you the collector, like the author, like the collector's edition of them.
Well, I have a special shelf for my collector's edition. but it's books that i've read that i love that i don't think you've read yet but i think you have them on your shelf what are they have you read the knock them out series no by lucy score no they're like 600 page books yes there's three of them there's things we never got or things we um never got over things we hid from the light and left behind.
No, I have not read them. Are they collector's edition? They have collector's edition, but I know you don't like extreme spicy books.
Are they spicy? A little bit, but they're not like, you know, I like dark romance. Have you read Still Beating? No, but that's my TBR.
tbr wild ride i've heard my one of my friends ate that book up she loved it but i also loved credence so did you read credence absolutely not we can't do smut she's a reader too brother and cousin fucking or whatever no they're not related what they're not even related what's. After I went on a TikTok set and I couldn't do it and I took a

TikTok recommendation the other day and I'm

still pissed about it and it made me sick to my stomach.

Oh, I ate Credence up. I like

dark romance. I also like

a book that's very much of a slow burn and like

has a good story. Like if you love like a good

story, like small town

like vibe and like there's

like it's like continuous and it's

you fall in love with the characters in the first book and they make the second book and third book based off of those characters you fell in love with the first book you'll love that book i loved i don't know why i liked them so much if i'm being honest i can't even sit here and tell you i just liked the story and it wasn't like like yeah there were some spicy moments but not like i can handle there are some books that are just like every other page. You're like, good grief.
Do they do anything else but have sex? But those are not like that. Did you read them one after another? Yes.
Okay. So that's, I want to start the Addicted series, which is like 10 books.
Me too. I want to start in January.
So if you want to start, we should try to like buddy read. Okay.
I want to. That's on my TBR.
Would you ever film a book club episode with me you do this wait i do this about books only yeah let's do it period to conclude we talk way too much and sorry if you guys would like another part of or if you have specific questions for sterling and we could do another part to this i will be back in texas in the coming months so i could in theory come back and do a second part to this. I loved having you on Barely Famous.
And I hope that Alessandra will be able to make this one or two cohesive episodes because I don't know where the lines are. I'm just saying this was chaotic.
We are chaotic. I love you.
Thank you for coming on. Our conversations are all over the place.
This is normal conversation. This is regular.
But I love you so much. Thank you.
And I love you. And I'm so glad I finally agreed to this after the 50th time you asked me.
Yeah, we don't have to talk about nothing bad. Y'all, you guys, real quick, she asked me to do this probably 50 times.
And she was like, yeah, yeah. No, I was like, I don't think so.
I don't want to talk about drama. Understood.
We don't have to talk about the drama. I'm like, I just like our friendship.
I feel like people forgot about me. Oh, no, they didn't.
So I feel like we did a good job. Thank you for coming on.
We're the best podcasters. I love you.
We're the best podcasters. Okay.
So just to give some context, just to be super clear, Alessandra and I went to Sterling's house the day before my surgery or two days before my surgery. And so I, Elijah came to Dallas for two days.
His mom watched the babies. He came to Dallas, took care of me for my surgery until Monday.
And then he came back home to take care of the babies. I stayed with Sterling.
And then I ended up changing my flight early to come home because I was just ready to be home and I just didn't want to burden Sterling anymore. But I had so much fun catching up with her.
It was the first time I had seen her in two years. She came to my house two, two Thanksgivings ago, like we were talking about in the episode.
And it was just really nice to have, honestly, to reconnect with my friend without my kids. Her kids are older now, right? So it was just nice to like reconnect for a little while.
I did do a post on Instagram asking what questions you had about my procedure. And I know some people were a little bit confused about what I got.
Originally planned just for the breast reduction, but ended up getting a revision on my tummy tuck scar so that it would be just as low as my c-section incision that being said i was not fully prepared or aware that it would be a bigger scar than my original one my original tummy tuck scar went from like hip bone to hip bone like the pelvis bone you know the ones that like stuck out when you wore the jeans in the early 2000, the low rise jeans in the early 2000s. It was like, that's where it was.
Now it more so wraps around more like a full lower body lift than a tummy tuck. In my opinion, that's not what he called it, but that's what it looks like in my opinion.
Um, and so I don't necessarily think I was prepared for that. Um, so some of the questions that you guys had for me planning on getting it done too, is there any skin that sags? I'm not sure if you mean for the reduction or for the tummy tuck or slash revision.
I have no skin that sags whatsoever on me. I just want to clarify too, for anyone that's looking to get a tummy tuck or lipo or reduction, when you get a tummy tuck, whether it is a revision or your first time, lipo is automatically included in that because in order to give you the results that you need with the tummy tuck, they have to do lipo.
Like it's not like, oh, you're getting a tummy tuck and lipo. It's like you're getting a tummy tuck, but the lipo is all automatically included and they probably won't tell you that.
So that's just that. In of loose skin, skin that sags, don't have any anywhere, not in my reduction, not in my revision, nowhere.
How affordable was your surgery and the pain level? I paid $20,000 for tummy tuck revisions. I don't even know what to call it.
Like I keep calling it a tummy tuck revision. It's not a tummy tuck revision.
I guess it was, it was a tummy tuck revision because I had a tummy tuck after two kids, but then I had five more children. It caused my muscles to separate above my belly button.
So there was a bulge above my belly button. He revised it.
And then he also revised the scars from my previous tummy tuck with my C-section tummy tuck. So I guess it was like a full revision.
And then I had the lipo 360. Lipo 360 for me included waist up.
So it's my upper back, lower back, my stomach and my flanks did not include anything from the bottom. I did not have a fat transfer.
I did not have a BBL. I did not have anything below my waist done.
And the reduction I paid $20,000. So I don't know if that answers your question, but the pain level breast reduction was not bad at all.
Um, I do have a little bit of pain on the side boob area, but that was more so from the light. It's more so from the lipo 360 than it is from the reduction.
I've had virtually no pain from the reduction itself. The most pain that i've had is not from the revision of the tummy tuck or anything related to the breast reduction is solely liposuction has sucked the life out of me so that's that how bad is scarring well i will say that i think all the scars related to the reduction and the tummy tuck revision are very, very thin.
So they're a lot

thinner than any scars that I've had previously from pretty much anything. There's no real liposuction

scars outside of like, if you have a chicken pox scar, it might look like that depending on

your skin type. So the scarring isn't bad.
I also won't be able to see any of them. So

in a bathing suit and a thong and underwear, my tummy tuck revision scar will be covered. I'm not entirely sure about how the scarring will look with the reduction because with the reduction comes a lift.
So I do have that anchor lollipop situation. I'll have to circle back on that.
Um, how bad it scars, or if you can even tell, I typically knock on wood. Um, I scar really well, so hopefully it will be pretty light.
I also got these silicone, I call them band-aids, like silicone patches. I don't know for all of the scars, my tummy tuck scar and my scars from my breast reduction.
And they go around the nipple, they go down the line to your underboob and then that full anchor underneath to keep them flat and as seamless as possible. Talk about pain level and restrictions.
Pain level for liposuction is off the charts. It's the worst thing I've ever felt in my entire life.
And restrictions are you, I cannot lift anything more than 10 pounds for six weeks. And that includes my babies, like my small children.
You also have to sleep on your back or sitting up in a recliner for six weeks as well. So it sounds good in theory, like it might not hurt to lay on your side.
For me, I can't even try to lay on my side because even when I do, I'm in so much pain. But also I think for purposes of breast reduction, or if you do like an implant or something, I think there's also like implications, I guess is the word.
If you were to lay on your side, I don't know if it would change the pockets or distort your results. I don't really know.
So I go by the books. When I get any medical procedures or if I go on medication, I go exactly by the books.
Laying on your back flat or in a recliner for six weeks and nothing over 10 pounds. What have you all done to your face and where do you get disport? I've posted where I get disport before on my Instagram.
So you'd have to go look through my highlights to see that. Um, I actually have not really done much to my face outside of disport.
I did do filler in my cheekbones one time, but it's not really for me. And I don't like the sound of it because it makes this like really weird squirting sound.
And I absolutely hate it. It makes me cringe.
Um, I've done my lips before. I don't have them done currently.
I had them done about a year ago. Um, and I don't really touch my face.
I also have veneers on my teeth, but they're laying on top of my regular teeth. So they were not shaved down at all.
And unfortunately, I was not able to get liposuction done to my chin this time because he said that it is all skin. So there's nothing to suck out of it.
I would probably need something like a lower facelift or to have the skin like tucked under

my chin basically.

So I really don't touch my face.

Okay.

I did do three consultations with different doctors.

The pricing is very different.

One of the doctors quoted me $40,000 and, um, including a mesh like bra to keep my boobs up out of the three consultations to, here's the thing. One of them suggested, yes, I needed it.
And then two of them suggested enough. They didn't mention any mesh like corset or bra situation.
When I went to go see the doctor for my pre-op for this procedure, he did suggest it in person that I don't recall. I'm not saying he didn't mention it on the call, but I don't remember him mentioning it on our consultation.
The price points were very, um, two of them were very similar. And then one of them was $40,000.
I obviously opted to not go to that doctor. Why didn't I go to Dr.
Miami again? No, honestly, there's no real reason. I think I know from experience what Dr.
Miami's schedule was like. And I think that it was not, I didn't ask, but my assumption was based on my last experience was that there was going to be no availability for when I was looking to get it.
And I actually wanted to get it when I could, because I didn't have my four older kids for over two weeks. So that was my primarily my first decision making, you know, situation was like, what

doctor do I like?

And then secondly, what is their availability?

Did insurance cover it?

No, I did have documentation for needing a reduction a couple times, but I did not opt

for insurance.

I think insurance ended up because I went to a consultation with Dr. Obang in LA before too.
So I guess that's four consultations. And he did run it through my insurance back at that time.
But then I ended up not getting any procedures done. So I like postponed and then I just kept postponing.
Thankfully I waited because now I'm officially done with kids. And at that time, I think I had less children as well.
I did go through insurance that time. And I cannot remember if it was denied or if it was that they only covered like a really small percentage of it.
I just want to know how long the recovery is and how you're feeling. So as of this recording, I'm two weeks, a little over two weeks post-op.
And when I'm sitting down for a long time, I do have a hard time standing up straight when I get up to walk and I walk a little bit slower. It is very difficult still two weeks later to get in and out of my car.
Um, but I do have to drive. I'm no longer on any pain meds.
Sometimes I take ibuprofen as needed, but I'm not on any muscle relaxers. I'm not on narcotics.
I'm not, I do take Arnica. That's a personal choice.
Um, Arnica is for like bruising, swelling, that sort of thing. How long is, I mean, I don't know.
I think it varies by person. I will say that my incision itself does not hurt at all.
I did lose feeling in my stomach from my belly button down to the top of my vagina in 2016 after my first tummy tuck. So I have no feeling there at all.
So I think that's why I also don't feel my incision. The lipo is by far the worst, worst, worst, worst part.
How many sizes did you go down? I went for, I went from, but anywhere between a 36 and a 40 triple D. And I only say that because my back size obviously grows and shrinks with my weight loss and it fluctuates so much that as you guys know, that's your back size.
And then the cup size was, has remained pretty consistently a triple D and I went down to a small slash full C I'm a 54 triple D. How bad is the pain? Honestly, Oh, sensation in my nipples.
And do you lose any sensation in your nipples? Yes. Right off the bat, I lost it, but it is starting to come back.
That is not the case for everyone. And that goes for a regular boob job without a lift.
And I think it's just in general, depending on your body. So you can't really make your decision based on someone else's.
I know someone that has a boob job, no lift, no reduction, no nothing, just a regular boob job with implants. That is it.
And she lost all sensation in her nipples. And that was over 10 years ago.
So I, you can't really, one size doesn't fit all here. That's really all the questions that there is.
What is a lip flip? That's with Dysport. That's completely separate than surgery.
Did you get drains? If so, are they uncomfortable and scary? How is the removal? I had one drain and it was on the left side of my revised tummy tuck incision. And I lost all feeling from my belly button down to the top of my vagina, not top of my vagina, my pelvic bone, my pubic bone.
And so when they pulled the drains out, I didn't even feel it. I actually think we might have a video of it and Alessandra can edit that or something.
I don't know because I think I took a video of that. It does not hurt just the one drain.
And they basically make the decision on when to pull it out based on how much fluid is collecting in your drain. So you have to, I think by the, my post-op appointment, my drain had like less than 15, I think it's MLs in it.
And so they were able to take it out, but it's not scary. It doesn't hurt.
It doesn't bother. You just, they clip it onto your clothing.
And so in those first few days, in those first few days post-op, you're pretty down and out of it from the meds. So it won't, you won't even be affected at all.
And then last one, who did your lip lift? I never had a lift. I never in my life had a lip lift.
I don't even know what that is. Your surgery before Christmas or after Christmas.
I did my surgery on December 21st. It was a Saturday and I paid extra for that.
And that's really it. Do I love my results? I don't know because I'm still swollen.
You'll swell from three to six months post-op. By six months, you're pretty much at your new baseline.
So I'm still really swollen and I literally wearing a bra puts an indent where my ribs are because of the swelling. So I take my bra off sometimes and just like let it like go back to normal.
Outside of that, if you have any other questions, I'll probably be posting a ton of stuff on Tik TOK. I'm an open book about it.
Um, make sure you have a support system in place because this time around was so emotional mentally for me. It was very lonely in my thoughts.
Um, just about like the body dysmorphia in general, but also about it's lonely because nobody can understand the pain that I'm going through. Nobody can understand the looking at my body and seeing it mutilated before the results are finished.
Um, nobody can understand how hard it is to shower and how humbling it is to shower that first two weeks after your, your surgery. Like, I mean, it was rough.
I, uh, Elijah actually took a video of me directly after surgery. I think it was like the next day.
I don't even remember. And I was so out of it and just like completely emotional, but he was like, what do you want for breakfast? And I was like the next day I don't even remember and I was So out of it and just like completely emotional

But he was like, what do you want for breakfast?

and I was like

I don't remember what I said and I was like make sure you order the boys breakfast first of all

They weren't even there so like you're gonna feel all kinds of shit that like you don't even expect or whatever like it is truly

Especially the older you get the more kids you have I think

Also plays a factor. So I just want to prepare you mentally.
I did have lymphatic massages done after my procedure and the woman that did my lymphatic massages in Dallas literally told me she had a patient. She didn't tell me who, obviously HIPAA violation.
She told me she had a patient that went on suicide watch because of how traumatic and lonely, obviously not for everybody, but sometimes, you know, it just literally opens the floodgates for a lot of different feelings. And I did not have that experience the first time I got a mommy makeover in 2016.
I will say that those 10 days post-op while I was still in Miami, I was very, very emotional. But by the time I got home, I was fine.
Like I didn't even think twice about my surgery this time around. I have cried at least every other day.
So, and I'm two weeks post-op and I've been home since before I was supposed to come home. So I will say if you're traveling out of the state, they do recommend 10 days, wherever that is.
So when I was in Miami, they recommended 10 days. When I went to Dallas, they recommended 10 days.
Um, because you do, you should go to your post-op appointment and also just like the blood clots and being able to move around. That's like a big part of it is you have to move around even if you don't want to, if you're sore.
And I will say that getting up from any position, whether it's laying down or sitting down can be a little bit difficult. Um'm two weeks post-op and it's still hard.
And then it's suggested that you wear your

compression garments for as long as you can tolerate. I think it's for blood clots,

not entirely sure, but that's all I have really. And if you guys have any other questions, let me

know. Thank you.
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