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Welcome to the shit show.

Things are going to get weird.

It's your favede villain, Kale Lower.

And you're listening to Barely Famous.

All right, everyone.

Welcome back to Barely Famous Podcast.

I'm here with Jordi Craig.

Hi.

Hello.

Thanks for coming to New York.

Thank you for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

We were featured on Teen Mom.

Team Mom Next Chapter.

We were, are we on the same episode?

Yes.

Okay.

The last time I saw you in person, I think was in Chattanooga.

Yes.

And we kind of all did these podcast swaps.

We got to hang out.

We got to film.

What was that like for you?

Surreal.

Because I'm now on a show that I've watched for 16 years.

I'm on TV for the first time and I'm hanging out with people that I've watched on the TV show.

So I was getting like hit at every angle.

Yeah.

And my hair still hadn't grown in from my hair transplant.

So I was like stressed about that on TV.

Now it's finally like growing in.

Thank God.

But it was stressful, but it was, I don't know, I felt more relaxed once the camera started rolling.

I didn't know that you had a hair transplant.

Yeah.

It looks really great.

Okay.

It looks good.

Thank you.

Now you're just one of us.

Thank you.

Like you're just like literally one of us.

I feel like we're like, hey, can Jordy come to New York this time?

Yeah, he booked his train.

Okay, perfect.

Like I just feel comfortable around you guys.

Well, yeah, you're one of the crew.

Thank you.

So what was the experience like recording with kate and ty and meeting you met macy right no i did not meet macy i was really looking forward to meeting her though but i didn't get a chance to so the episode airs tonight which you and i didn't get to see the episode so i only saw one clip of myself on social media and i'm having a conversation with macy in the scene that i saw so that's why i was assuming that you had met her no um but so you went on kate and ty's new podcast and what was that like because i know that you had certain feelings about that and so where where are you at now with it so yeah, I made some videos about Caitlin and Tyler of how they, you know, talked about Brandon and Teresa on social media and how, you know, it was probably not the best thing for Carly.

And that got a response from

everybody.

And

Ty invited me on Instagram Live and then we did that.

But it was, it's Instagram Live is kind of weird.

Plus, it was kind of glitchy.

So when they invited me on the podcast, I was like, okay, now we can have like a sit down conversation and really talk about it.

And I wanted to get my point across, but I wanted them to really see where like everybody else was coming from because they're they only see it from their side right well at least i felt like that at the time because i can only understand what they're going through like i i'll never really know but i really wanted them to see like what a lot of america is saying and that's for like for you guys to shut up

How do you feel about actually having that in-person interaction though?

Because I think that so often, you know, on my side of it with Kate and Ty and maybe some other cast members, I'm not sure, but like we feel like none of these people that comment on our lives will actually say some of these things to our face.

Did you feel like you needed to backpedal at all?

Or do you, did you stand 10 toes down on all of it?

No, I don't think I needed to backpedal.

Yeah, because I feel like although we didn't agree on certain things, Kate and Ty can handle it.

Okay.

You know, they're pretty, you know, strong in that sense.

Yeah.

I thought it went, I thought it was a good conversation.

And one thing I learned from hanging out with all of you, people really do not know what goes on behind the scenes.

There is a lot that people do not know.

And I think it's a learning lesson for me too, to not assume shit about everybody because there's a lot that people just do not know.

No, absolutely not.

And I think it's so interesting because, I mean, for me, that's part of the reason why I left the show was because I would come off so cold, so defensive for things that happened two weeks ago.

And they want me to film about it.

And I've already talked about it.

I've already handled it.

And now you want me to rehab this conversation where I'm not in that same state of mind when X Y and Z happened.

I'm not my, you know, in the progression of emotions and things like that.

There's so much that goes on off the scenes where you have like

or off camera, I should say, like thoughts that continue when you're not filming.

And so you're not really seeing on the show and you're watching it, you're not really seeing that progression or that like

those periods of time.

Does that make sense?

And they edit you a certain way on the show too.

You don't have control over what they're going to show and what they're not.

So I think towards the end of your run, people saw you get very frustrated with producers.

You were like, no, I'm not talking about this.

I'm not doing that.

And I don't think people understand

what was going on behind the scenes to make you have that sort of reaction.

So do you think after everything that you've seen and heard and read about like the adoption and Kate and Ty that, you know, what you know, what you saw and how you met them, do you think that it all sort of like you, you get the full picture now, like from both perspectives?

I don't think I'll ever have the full picture of it

just because I'm so far removed from what they're going through.

Right.

But I can see where both sides are coming from.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I do see where both sides are coming from.

When you walked into this house today, Pharaoh was sitting right where you were sitting right now.

Okay.

We didn't tell you that Pharaoh was going to be here because we wanted your reaction to it.

Yeah, I was not expecting to see Pharaoh and Sophia today.

It was quite shocking.

And

quite shocking is an understatement.

After the interview, when we were all like in the kitchen, I was waiting for her to acknowledge my existence, which did not happen.

Um she didn't say hi to you?

Nope.

Did you say hi to her?

No.

No.

She looked at me and just kind of looked away.

But like maybe she was waiting for you to say hi first.

Why would I say hi first?

I don't.

Yeah.

I don't really know Pharah very well.

I thought about it.

Um, because I have, all right, here's the deal with Farah.

I have come to her defense a lot on social media, but she also says a lot of of dumb shit that I cannot defend.

Okay.

So I,

she's seen my videos before.

So it's not like she doesn't know who I am.

Okay.

That's number one.

Yeah.

She has seen my videos.

She's commented on them before.

She's liked them, but she probably sees a lot of videos.

She might not put two and two together.

Oh, okay.

I see what you're saying.

You know, it's so interesting because like with Farah and then also with Caitlin and Tyler, I think that two things can be true, right?

Right.

Like we can have respect for certain aspects of, you know, what Farah does or says in certain aspects, obviously not all of them.

But then also question, like she does make questionable statements and does questionable things.

Yeah.

So, you know, the same can be said for myself.

The same can be said for Caitlin and Tyler.

Me too, actually.

You know, so like for Kate and Ty, like what they're going through with the adoption, none of us that have never been through this, none of us can understand it.

So it's so easy for us to say they went about this the wrong way when in all reality, we have no idea what it's like to go through something like that.

And so

yes, we can be a voice of reason, but like both, we can still support them and love them and encourage them and cheer them on in this journey and, you know, wish them the best, but like still not necessarily agree with everything.

Do you ride for Pharah?

I don't.

Not in the same way.

Yeah.

Probably not.

I don't bond with Pharaoh like you need to do.

No.

And I'm not saying, cause, I mean, I just sat here in her presence and I told her like when she first, she was the first one in the franchise to write a book.

And so I remember reaching out to Farah around that time, like, cause I also, Pharah made a comment today that was something along the lines of like what are you going to do with your teen mom money like she was basically talking about that and how several of the cast members have done nothing with it and so i have always related to pharah in that way of like i wasn't born with a business mind i was yeah it was built out of survival and so for me i respected farah in the way that she was always willing like always wanting to get the next thing go to the next level take her career yogurt shop she had Oh my God, wait, I forgot about that.

She said something.

She said something today about having three stores.

Are those still like alive i don't think so the yogurt shop is not no she had a furniture store too but yeah she that's one thing i'll give farah she is she can make a buck like she's going to propel herself to the next

thing

and i've always admired her for that because i'm the same way it's like and i think it truly does come from trauma and survival is like trying to figure out what your next move is and like never being complacent so i will give that to farah yeah i just don't know like in terms of like being a ride or die for her i don't know her like that but yeah um, do you feel a bond with every single cast member, or is it okay?

Who, who are you bonded with?

Or do you have a bond with?

Let me tell you.

I don't, I think I've talked about this before.

I don't know.

You'll be able to tell me if you've heard me say this before.

Um, I wasn't originally supposed to be on Teen Mom 2.

I wasn't supposed to be on 16 and pregnant season 2.

I was supposed to be on 16 and pregnant to B, which means that I did not meet any of the cast members of 16 and pregnant season two

a 2a so

okay 16 and pregnant was i think like 20 episodes or something and it ended up being 10 and 10 or 8 and 12 something like that right at the very last minute they switched me with ashley salazar so ashley went and met the cast that was ultimately became teen mom two cast okay

does that make sense yes so i didn't bond with anyone i came so late into 16 and pregnant 2b or sorry, I came so late into 16 and pregnant 2a that everyone had already met.

So Chelsea and Leah formed a bond.

Okay.

And then

when we got picked for Teen Mom 2, I was naturally gravitating towards Janelle because Chelsea and Leah were already sort of together on like with all the things.

And so I felt really left out because I didn't necessarily think that I

Janelle and I were compatible, but like Chelsea and Leah were like this.

So I didn't feel, not that I was a pick-me, but I definitely felt left out.

And so as time went on, you know, Chelsea did her own thing and, and, and sort of was an anomaly in the situation.

And then Leah and I gravitated towards each other.

We went on vacation together.

And so I think for a little while, I had a bond with Chelsea.

Leah was at one period of my life, like not just one of my best friends on the show.

Like she was one of my best friends, period.

And you guys don't talk anymore?

No, we don't talk anymore.

And then, you know, I think

Kate and Ty, and I don't know if it's because of like the podcasting and them being on the network, but I would definitely say that like there's just something, I just have a soft spot for them.

And then Macy, and I'm trying to think if there's any, I don't think there's anyone else that I really have a, no, right?

Do you think you have the bond with Kate and Ty because of the similar kind of upbringing?

I could see that.

I could definitely see that.

I mean, they had Tyler's mom as support, but they didn't have a stable home life.

And I think you're the only one who didn't have parents.

I would agree with that.

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whatever happened wasn't there a girl named ebony it was like and whitney it was like amber caitlin

Macy, Farrah.

I think a girl named Ebony, and I think a girl named Whitney were all on 16 and Pregnant season one.

It was like six girls.

I wonder what ever happened to them.

I remember.

Is it true that that girl, Nicole, was supposed to be on Team Mom 2?

Do you know who I'm talking about?

She had this daddy Josh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know who she is, but I don't think she was ever supposed to be on Team Mom 2.

Somebody said her mom didn't allow it.

That's why she wasn't on it.

Where did I hear that rumor?

Somewhere.

Maybe.

I don't.

To this day, I know, I don't know how they did the selection process for Teen Mom 2.

Because if I, if I'm being honest, I was the season finale of Teen of 16 and Pregnant 2A.

I don't think that my story was that compelling to be picked for Teen Mom 2.

Really?

No.

I thought so.

No.

I would say mine was pretty unremarkable compared to the other girls.

So I was, I was shocked that I was picked for it.

So I, it could very well have been Nicole and then I was like a backup option.

How many girls did they, like, I guess from the how many girls did it come down to four.

I don't know.

I don't, I remember being in the mall.

I was at Victoria's Secret circa 2011, 2012, I think, even.

And I got a call and I was literally shopping with my girlfriends.

And I think I had Isaac there.

And they were like, we would just like to, you know, extend the invite for you to film for Team Mom 2.

And I was like, yep, need the money.

Yeah.

Need it.

Sure, no problem.

So I just think it's so weird to like see how everything like played out.

And now here you are sitting with me.

And, you know, it's a full circle for me how crazy i mean i let me tell you something i don't think i've revealed this on a podcast i used to have facebook threads of teen mom and let me tell you something i deleted them a long time ago i would

oh my god they were bad like were you talking yeah yeah they were bad not so much you you it's okay if you talk about me one of it wasn't no you didn't get the brunt of it um you chelsea and macy were spared me yeah you, Chelsea.

Really?

Even after I cheated on Jordan?

No, you got some flack, but for the most part, you three didn't get as much as Leah too.

What about Leah?

No.

Oh, no, Leah got it.

Yeah, Leah got it back.

Do you remember

that?

Did you follow Cameraman Gate back in like, God,

2000?

Do you remember this?

I don't.

Do you remember this?

I just named it that.

I don't even know if that's what it was.

A former teen mom to cameraman had a psychotic break and like went on this like rampage

online, like divulging massive amounts of information about the cast members of the show and like how they lived and things like that.

I think he said stuff about, I think he said actually very positive things about me.

I was like, he's been in my house.

Okay, that's comforting.

But I think he had some really awful things to say about some of the girls.

And he like brought one time, me and Chelsea were in a hotel for teen mom and he like brought bags, like backpacks full of alcohol and was like trying to hang out with us while y'all were underage.

Yeah.

Oh God.

And so like we, Chelsea and I like both went to the producers and we're like, we're actually like there's, we think that there's something wrong with him.

Yeah.

And he was eventually blacklisted and never hired again for it.

But like.

Oh, that's wild.

I did not know about that.

Was that public information?

Yes.

It was, it went very public.

And we, what's really sad is that like it's clear to me because I had a good relationship with him, yeah.

Like, I, and by relationship, I mean like a working relationship, and so I never really saw the signs, like, I just didn't really, and so when all of this happened and he said good things about me in some ways, I was like, Well, I don't want to get him in trouble, like, he hasn't said anything bad about me, but then I had to put myself in like the other girl's shoes, and like, it was, it was terrifying when he brought the alcohol.

Like, that was

scary, yeah.

That was, and because I also don't drink, so like, that wasn't something I was going to do anyway, but I just think when grown adults are willing to like interact with teenagers, like even if you were 20 years old, like you're still kind of a child.

Yeah.

So we've definitely gone through the ringer with Teen Mom.

When the, since you hadn't filmed for MTV for a while, with all the cameras there, did that make you want to go back?

No.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

How much longer do you think the show can go on though?

So here's the thing.

I.

I loved filming for Kate and Ty and Macy because it wasn't about me.

Right.

So I got to like actually catch up with Macy in real life and have conversations about I didn't know half the stuff that she told me.

Like I, I, I know that it's in the headlines, but I don't pay attention to them because I know that they're going to only paint a certain picture.

And I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Is that going to be on tonight's episode?

I think so.

Oh.

I think it is.

So she was like giving me the update on Ryan and things like that.

And then it was just nice because I did not have to talk about my stuff.

And I didn't, even if I did, I didn't have to worry about how it was going to be chopped and screwed because it wasn't about me.

So I didn't, it didn't matter.

Whatever I said, it could be chopped, chopped and screwed.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does.

It did not make me want to go back to TV in any way.

Like I would go back to TV, but that specifically didn't bring me back to like, I want to come back to Team Mom.

Yeah.

And to answer your question, do I think, how long, how long do I think the show can go on?

I think that

truthfully, if it was on streaming, I think it could go on indefinitely.

The problem that I think that is happening is that the network MTV needs to have fresh content for cable.

And I think they're doing themselves a disservice.

I think they should bring back old shows or something or rebam music.

Do something where they can offer new, fresh content.

But Teen Mom itself, I think, could have an entirely new audience if they would just switch it to streaming completely.

Like the new seasons on streaming, not the old ones.

Because I think what's happening is that people are slowly not paying for cable.

And within the next five years, it's my opinion that cable will be obsolete anyway.

I don't have cable.

I don't, I I haven't had cable in three, four years.

Yep.

And I don't care about it.

And I don't, I don't.

So like, where are people watching Team Mom?

Can you watch it on a streaming platform?

I, what I did is I bought this season on Prime so that I get the episode the next day.

I pay for it.

Oh, see, I didn't know that you could do that.

Yep.

So I get the episode the next day.

I hate the Paramount Plus app, though.

See, Paramount.

I can't stand it.

It's slow.

It's stupid.

That's the other thing is that like for me with streaming services, I have all the, like, I have Hulu, HBO Max, Netflix.

I'm not buying all the extra little ones.

I'm not getting Peacock.

I'm not getting Peacock?

No.

Oh, I live on, I live on Peacock.

Everyone does.

This is why it keeps going up.

What's on Peacock?

Bravo.

So you have never worked.

We need you on Traders.

I mean, tell them that.

Yeah.

I'm not buying all the other.

I think I pay for Hulu twice, actually, now that I think about it.

It's like I could be paying for Peacock or something.

I just think that they need to move Teen Mom to another, a bigger platform than Paramount.

Like I love what they're doing and I understand that like Paramount is associated with like the bigger umbrella.

Yeah, I get it.

But they're doing themselves a disservice

because it could go on even longer.

They should, yeah, they should have given me a different app.

If I'm being honest, they should have given me my own show.

I mean, there's always something happening with you.

I mean, you're definitely not boring to watch.

Well.

The farm animals would be a fun little spin these days.

I love that.

Is there anything on teen mom or 16 and pregnant that your kids have not seen that you're worried for them to watch or that you'll have to explain?

The thing about that is that I'm so open with my kids about everything.

I explain things to my kids' level of understanding depending on where their maturity is.

And so I don't think that there's anything that I'm worried about necessarily.

I'm just so honest with them about things.

And like we talk about all sorts of things from divorce and getting back together and like working things out and you know just like all kinds of stuff that i just never i don't worry about anything really they're great kids thank you their dads also help with that joe and hobby as much as we disagree sometimes like they do a good job with explaining things in a way that is

i feel helpful and like real life versus like sugarcoating things and like trying to make it go away yeah so it's helpful that's awesome to have like you you know,

dads that are like, that wasn't my butt.

It's all good.

I wouldn't judge you if it was.

I like leaned back and it like leaving that in.

But it's, I think it's also,

it's also amazing that you have these, these like professional home videos of your children.

Oh, Isaac's first birthday.

I mean, him being born.

Oh, my feet, Joe.

It was just one foot.

It was one foot.

But like, why did you let go?

I needed the stability.

Like that.

I'll never live.

There's just like I've, I feel like I've lived a thousand lives.

And I'm sure you have now too, because you've literally been on it and you watched it and you had threads about it, which is so crazy to me.

I like, think about, I used to tell people that Britney Spears was my sister.

And like, they, like, as if they wouldn't know that that's not true.

I, my hometown had 4,000 people in it.

So they believed it.

Like the kids believed it.

I'm like, she literally is on tour all the time.

Oh my gosh.

So like I say all that to say like that would be like me hanging out with

yes she's from kentwood louisiana i say all this to say that like that would be a full circle moment for me it would be like i like used to lie about being your family member you know like for you you're like i used to follow the show like follow let me tell you something my brothers did you wear wigs like we did on the show no

No, I should have though.

My, I don't know if my brothers intentionally did this, but like I have nieces and nephews that are like named after the kids on the the show, really.

Yeah.

Wait, so I actually know someone.

She has a Bentley and an Aubrey spelled the same way as Aubrey.

Okay.

I'm not friends with her.

I just know who she is.

But I

that when it was like naming multiple children after Teen Mom Cat, I was like, that was the thing.

No, it really was.

Like, I think the name Lincoln skyrocketed.

Aubrey sky Bentley went off the charts.

Yes, it did.

I think Bentley probably became like the number one name for a long time.

I feel so old watching this show now.

Seeing him like drive a car.

I'm like, oh my God.

Oh, I literally.

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Yeah, and Bentley gets a car this season.

It wasn't the season that he got a car.

Yeah, it was a couple episodes ago.

I was thinking about that yesterday.

I'm like, I'm going to go trade in a vehicle.

And I'm like, I have to get, do I get myself a daily driver or do I get Isaac's car?

Like, do I trade it in for Isaac's car that he's about to get?

Because he's 15 and a half.

So it's just so weird.

Were you there?

I don't think you were there, but I pitched a show to Larry that day.

I was like, Larry, this is the show that you need.

You need to get all the kids and have them like watch the show and get their reaction of what their parents were doing, like at the, like, even if it was different, like that.

Podcast style, even or like Patreon situation, like a streaming thing.

I also think a reality show from the kids' perspective, like growing up in reality TV, you know, when they're 18, I think we should do that.

Yeah.

I mean, we're not far off.

I mean, I'm just 15.

Yeah.

Does he watch the show?

No.

I've seen him do like trends and everything.

You belong in a cave.

Oh, yeah.

He thinks that's so funny.

It's like a clip that keeps on giving.

Because it's so versatile.

It was so ridiculous.

I mean, here's the thing.

People are like, how did you not laugh?

Even with like this sell the baby thing when I was like, I don't, I'm going to tell Javier.

I'm going to start filming about selling.

I think Joe was looking for a moment.

Joe is always, those were not genuine jokes that he was like, he was like trying to be funny.

And that's why I never laughed because it was so cringe to me because i knew that he was like trying too hard that was funny though when he's like sell your baby like that was funny then at least to the audience it was funny oh my god the show used to be so ridiculous um i remember wearing like wigs to like recreate like storylines leah's was really bad

blonde wig i think i never wore a wig but i would on purpose i would like unbraid my hair or i would like they'd be like hey i need you to wear the same top for this scene that we're about to do it's called they're called pickups and i'd be like okay no problem.

And I'd put the top on and then I'd make sure my hair was different so people would pick up on it because I wanted them to know when they watched it back that like my hair was different and that it wasn't, it didn't actually happen that way.

Ah.

So I was like pissed.

It was like my version of petty.

How excited were you when they dropped like, what is it?

They broke the fourth wall.

Cause I remember they used to not do that.

Yeah.

Well, I was

like, cameras.

Blurred out.

Javi and I were blurred out of Leah and Jeremy's wedding.

What?

Yeah, they blurred our faces.

Why?

Because that was before they broke the fourth wall.

they didn't want us to be friends we that's let me tell y'all something i haven't talked to jeremy in goddamn years okay by by god west virginia years okay like what did he used to say west by god virginia jeremy always had like big dick energy i've never seen his dick i don't want to see his dick just energy yeah do you think he's attractive

um

what does he look like these days i don't know

he's like kind of attractive okay you know let's also rank the dads in a second like i would love to to

do it.

We can do it again.

Absolutely.

We'll include some more people.

Like I just think back to the amount of things that we used to do like when we were just teen mom.

Like, and it's so weird because like teen mom, the franchise gave teen mom a whole new meaning.

Like you cannot say teen mom without thinking of the brand.

Like when I think of teen moms today, I'm thinking of the brand teen mom, not a teen mom walking the street that it got knocked up as a teenager.

Right.

You think of the show.

Isn't that weird?

That's really weird.

Okay, so let's rank the dads.

Okay.

All right.

So we got, we'll do the OGs first.

We got Ryan.

Ryan.

Yeah.

Are we ranking like zero to 10 or like smash or pass?

Medium ugly.

Oh, okay.

So I have a history.

Okay.

Let me tell you something.

One of my friends told me that I have a history of being attracted to medium ugly men.

Okay.

I would disagree because I think they're fine and I think they're handsome and I think they're handsome in a way that is handsome and not like hot.

Like you're not hot, you're handsome.

And there's a difference.

Okay, so I go for handsome men because I have a complex and I like to fuck dads, basically.

Like people giving me a dad kind of complex, and so they're handsome, they're not hot.

Yeah, are you tracking?

Yes, I am.

I'm just trying to think of all the men and seeing if that you've dated.

I'm like, do I agree with that or not?

Okay, so let's start with the OGs.

We got Ryan,

Ryan.

Okay, Ryan's taken me on a journey.

Wild ride

because he was by far the hottest.

The most attractive.

The hottest.

And then he

fell off real bad.

He was down.

But now we're back.

We're back.

And he's really rocking the salt and pepper thing.

I don't think he should dye his hair.

I think that he.

Is he back to being good?

I haven't seen him in a long time.

Yeah,

he looks good.

I met him one time.

Yeah, he looks good.

Okay, so then we got Tyler.

Tyler's hot.

Tyler's hot.

Okay.

I'm not saying he's hot.

I'm just repeating what you're saying.

Yeah, Tyler's hot.

Okay.

And then we have Gary.

Wait, you know what?

You know what?

I love Gary.

I think Gary's a good guy.

Would I sleep with him?

No.

Okay.

But I would give him like a medium because of his personality.

So is he medium ugly?

Would you say?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

That's medium-ugly right there.

Who am I missing?

Yep.

Okay.

So now we can move on to Teen Mom Two Dads.

Adam.

We have Adam.

Adam was cute in the, like back in the day i thought he was cute but

no no definitely you know what just popped up on my timeline yesterday this clip came up of megan and chelsea and chelsea's like i love megan what happened to megan

i actually

it was megan and chelsea talking and chelsea was so excited because she's like i'm getting back with adam and he wants to move in and megan's face was like the whole time just like was the voice of reason i don't know what happened to megan i think because she got pregnant right away yeah I think that I don't know for sure.

Never was attracted to Adam.

He had that like talk, like I've had in Adam before, like that toxic ex that you just keep going back to.

So I got the appeal that Chelsea had back in the day.

But I'm so glad that Chelsea found Cole, which brings us to Cole now.

Smash.

Hot.

Cole is a really nice guy.

I'm so glad she was hot.

Very hot.

And I just love everything they built.

So I needed, as much as it was heartbreaking to watch, like, obviously at the time, she was my friend.

And like, it was hard to watch him put her through everything.

But I think that look what it ended up being for her.

You know what I mean?

So love that for her.

My husband does not like watch anything teen mom.

So he watches the HG TV show that Chelsea has.

So I had to give him like a background of Chelsea's story.

And I started crying while I was explaining it to him.

Yeah, because it was such a, like, a, I know what Chelsea went through watching everything back in the day and to see where she is now.

I mean, oh, love it.

It's amazing.

I'm just like, just the glow up and everything else like really fell into place.

What about Corey?

We forgot about Corey.

Oh,

Corey, like, he is Corey.

Yeah, I, Corey's hot.

Yeah.

Corey's, Corey's kind of hot.

None of them are my type.

Yeah.

I don't think

Cole's my type.

I, like, men and women.

Ryan's my type.

Sorry.

For women.

Actually, what about quite a few of them?

Who?

Joe.

No.

Not even like back in the day, Joe.

No.

His mugshots were.

Mugshot Joe was our artist.

Mugshot Joe, yeah.

Mugshot Joe was our art.

Rap video, Joe.

Yeah.

What happened in Teen Moms Making Music?

I mean, Farrah's song, I mean, back MTV, the music channel.

The glory days.

But Teen Mom Edition.

Yeah.

We'll all put out tracks.

So good.

We'll start with Avocado in Mexico by Joe.

Oh.

Do you remember that line in the song?

Looking

something like a avocado in Mexico.

Shakespeare could never.

Shakespeare's shaking.

He's shaking in his grave.

He's shaking in his grave.

He's shaking in his bones.

His bones are rattling.

He said trembling.

What about Javier?

Jose Javier?

You know what?

I don't get the appeal of Javi.

I feel like I just know too much about the guy.

Okay.

Um,

I just can't.

I think his tattoos are nice.

I like, I like what he's got going on there, but that's about it.

That makes sense.

Okay.

Just as, just the forearms.

I don't know what it is.

Yeah, just the forearms.

I think that's all of them.

But you know who really does it for me?

Corey.

Not Corey.

Leah's Corey.

See, I can't, you know what?

I knew you were going to say that, but for me,

I don't like pretty boys.

Oh, really?

i can't do

i can't do like when they're i like them rough around the edges like i do too i mean actually my taste is all over the place yeah

my roster is like a disaster okay i same because i mean look at my track record like we had like jordan stuck out like a sore thumb we had tom we had fucking poor jordan but like what happened where is he in florida oh he's in that checks out

he has a baby and a family.

And like, I'm happy for him.

He was a nice guy.

I did him dirty, and I didn't need to do that.

I did not need to do that.

But also, that was like what I was talking about, where they're like, film it two weeks later.

So like when I told him on camera that I had cheated on him, we had actually already moved past it and like gotten back together.

Oh, yeah.

So like we, he like,

we got back together.

Like, I don't even think we broke up the first time.

The second time when I told him on camera, we had, we got back together.

We were fine.

And then I told him on camera and then we really like we broke up.

And that creates more problems when you're like bringing all that stuff up.

I remember that reunion where it was like you sandwiched in between Jordan and Joe.

Oh my God, that was so awkward.

Yeah, my whole life has been awkward, I think.

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Now we're all in our 30s and I feel like you could host like a teen mom reunion.

I don't know if those girls could handle it because Dr.

Drew lets a lot of shit slide.

Sure, he does.

And I don't like that.

And he would pick the way he like coddles certain people

um and lets them get away with stuff and uh it's just he needs to hold everybody accountable at the same level he can't just let some shit slide and then hold other people's feet to the fire like he's not very consistent with the way that he hosts

he does have something in his ear though he needs to take it out

Could you

fuck this?

Think for yourself.

I wonder how he's doing.

I haven't seen him in a long time.

I haven't seen him in a long time.

he went i know he went to ferris show yeah yeah did you go to the comedy comedy show she did invite me but i think i was in on vacation spend money on that no i don't think i was spending money on it but i was if she invited me i i would go yeah why not wait okay so you do a ton of deep dives on your tick tock

what other

personalities from reality tv do perform really well when you do content on them people are just like fascinated or they like it go viral i know the christleys honey boo-boo honey boo-boo That one took off.

And I never know which ones are going to take off.

No, that's crazy.

That's literally what I was just about to say because like I'll go like be scrolling and then like one random like

thing will pop up for like the people who watch Bravo, like those, those deep dives for some people do really well for us.

It's like if you're in the teen mom world, like that's what pops up.

If you're in the real housewives, like that's what pops up.

So it's so interesting to me to see like which ones, and I guess they all sort of have their own cult like followings.

So it's so interesting, but you have to sort of watch all of them because you want to to do a deep dive or you want to like have the tea on everybody is that hard to keep up with i don't watch so here's the thing i don't watch other people's content content no no no i mean like their like shows oh well sometimes yeah well i'll tell you one thing i did not watch the christley show before i did a deep dive on him oh you didn't you just like did the deep dive yep people kept asking so i had no idea about the christley so i had to do it myself and guess what i still haven't watched show i watched like an episode but i did all that research on my own i mean it's a it was a good show I watched the deep dives and then like you know I thought I did a good job I mean I mean Lindsay watched it and she enjoyed it so I guess I did a good job oh yeah see you did my co-host and not me I know well it it was her like entire family and they were all going to like prison at the time so like I had a strike while the iron was hot they're in prison

you know that her parents are in prison Don't ask me about the tea.

I don't spread it.

I just did one.

I did one about Jessica Simpson, too, and her family.

How's she doing?

Not well?

Well, she's doing good, but she's going through a separation right now with her husband.

That's hard.

That's hard.

I think that her husband, I don't know for sure, but she just released new music, and I'm pretty sure that he cheated on her.

Have you heard her new music?

I haven't.

It's pretty scathing.

She does not hold back.

She has a lyric that says, I'd rather die than have you be inside me with her on your mind.

That came out of Jessica Simpson's mouth.

Jessica Simpson is pissed.

I mean, there's no better way to like let it all out there than to make some money.

I mean, you're going to suffer by yourself.

Exactly.

You You might as well make some money doing it.

That's how I feel.

She's like, the reward for heartbreak is a ballad.

Because a lot of art comes from heartbreak.

Yeah.

And I've always said, like, especially in writing my books and things like that, is like the people resonate with pain more than they resonate with like happiness.

And like, of course, obviously the goal is for happiness.

But when you're just going through something so hard and so dark, that is the

like when you're sad, you're not listening to happy songs.

You're listening to sad songs.

You want to relate.

I listen to sad songs when I'm happy too.

Literally.

I love listening to it.

Because everybody can relate to it.

It makes you feel not alone.

Yes.

When you watch somebody or you know of somebody that is going through something similar.

Yep.

When I was getting divorced, I Fall Apart by Post Malone was just like on repeat.

You know what I mean?

Like you just know when you have that like something that you can resonate with.

But good, I mean, good for Jessica Simpson to have an outlet.

I'm proud of her.

Like that sucks.

Do you like Jessica Simpson?

I was a fan as a child, but not necessarily like where like the Britney and the Christina.

Right.

Yeah.

She was always like a Mandy more.

Right behind them.

Yeah.

It was like, for me, it was like Britney and Christina were neck and neck.

And then under that was, and not to compare women, because that's not what I'm trying to do.

But

that's how I was listening to them.

It was like Britney and Christina and then Mandy and Jessica.

Yeah, I would say Jessica, then Mandy.

Yeah.

Personally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

In order of like who I was listening to.

I'm trying to think who else was, who else was around her?

Pink was a big one for me.

I went, and Alicia Keys, I went through a huge, like, I always went through, I think that's what, like, I don't understand how I wasn't diagnosed with ADHD as a child because, like, the way that I fixated on certain people at that time, like, oh, me too.

Pink was big for me.

I went through an Alicia Keys thing.

I went through, oh my God, do you remember?

This is probably not your genre, but B2K.

It's my genre.

Yeah.

Listen to me.

Absolutely.

No, no, no.

Omarion.

Yes.

I had every single album.

I even had the Christmas album.

Like I, like the CDs.

Yeah.

But I was listening to them every single day, like played them straight through.

I haven't seen you got served in a while.

I need to watch that movie.

We actually watched that not too long ago.

Me and the kids watched it.

How to age?

I haven't watched it in like 20 years.

I just think that movies like that need an entire reboot.

Yes.

We need to bring that back.

We need to bring back Bring It On.

Let's do a redo.

They said, I saw something where Gabriel Minion said that she was thinking about it with Kirsten Dunst.

I don't want to see like a Bring It On 2.

I want to see that original movie recreated.

Have you seen Bring It On all or nothing with hayden panatier no was it bad um it's i i like it i like it but it's very offensive it's offensive it's very i've never seen it watch it now i cannot believe that movie got made it is offensive but it's also like i mean i like it it's a good movie i the only thing that i will say about those type like Mean Girls never needs to be recreated.

Mean Girls Original needs to stay the iconic classic movie that it is.

Exactly.

So that's that.

Has anyone ever messaged you that you've done a deep dive on and either been like really happy with it or like pissed off?

Yeah.

Who?

I did one on Michael Ray and Carly Pierce.

I don't know if you know who they are.

They're country music artists and they had a very public divorce.

And Carly Pierce was really happy with it.

I got to meet her.

She was really sweet.

And then

Michael Ray messaged me and said, he was nice about it.

He was like, hey, man, I think you have, you know, who wait.

Michael Ray's Aiden Audrey from the hills.

By the way, who is Michael?

Do I need to Google him?

He's pretty hot.

Yeah.

He's not hot.

I think he's hot.

He's very ugly.

No.

He's not very ugly.

No way.

Yes, he is.

He's giving.

Yeah, let's open that up to the room.

He's giving

my ego

so big that I drive one of those like

lifted white trucks with the black or chrome rimmed.

Oh, I'm not denying that.

Like, he looks like a douchebag.

I mean, I can't see that.

I'm 34 years old.

I would say so.

There's nothing, I don't like pretty boys, though.

Yeah, he's, I mean, I don't, he messaged me and said, Hey, man, I think you have the wrong impression of me, and I would like to clear it up with you sometime if you're open to that.

And I said, Yeah, absolutely.

I thought it was a really nice saying, but I never heard from him again.

So I was like, I guess he didn't want to clear it up that bad.

Oh, yeah.

Maybe he thought by you saying that, you'd be like, oh, I'll take it down.

Yeah, no.

Did you?

I'm not taking it down.

No.

No.

Yeah.

Isn't that, that's like the weird part of content creating is like you could have like a really good video and like you might upset someone by it, but like you made a lot of money on it.

So like, are you going to take it down?

No.

Probably not.

I mean, I don't think I say anything like that crazy either.

What would you say about me?

Like in my nitty-gritty like

wild days, what would you say?

Um,

like the baby daddy thing that I have lots of, like I can't pick them.

I mean, I can't judge it.

I don't have baby daddies because I can't get pregnant.

Thank God.

God.

Because I would have got pregnant a long time ago.

But

I had a broken picker at one point.

But I also think that everybody's just trying to figure things out as they go along.

It's not anybody's fault.

And I will defend you with this because

the rest of us are fortunate that we didn't have our teens and 20s on camera because,

hello, ours was a shit show.

Like, we're fortunate that we didn't have that.

Yeah.

You know, so I can't even imagine having a camera on me when I was going through what I was going through.

I would have made yours look like child's play.

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No, I love that though.

Like perspective.

And I have had people reach out like lately to tell me like, oh, I re-watched the show or I saw this episode again and I used to hate you because I watched it from a different lens back then.

And now that I'm an adult, I have a different perspective, and that's kind of nice.

But, um, yeah, watching it, like, watching like Janelle and Barbara now as an adult, obviously, I knew there was a lot of screaming in that house, but like, Barbara was a big problem, like, really, big problem.

She said, like, funny things, like, you know, hi, hi, you both high, but no, she was bad, like, viral moments, but toxic, very toxic.

I feel bad.

I might make, I might, I might release some music.

Can you sing?

Absolutely not.

Can you, have you ever like tried to write a song?

No.

Or a poem?

A poem?

Yeah.

If I turn the music all the way up, I sound just as good as Sam Smith.

Sam Smith, like what songs though?

Because Sam Smith has like a lot of.

The Lonely Hour

is an album that got me through some of my darkest moments.

So I could sing those very well.

Wait, let's talk about that for a second because his song, Make It To Me, I played at my wedding.

Truly.

True.

You know what people think that song, that his, like, I think it was like his first debut single was Stay With Me.

And people thought that that was like a love song, Stay With Me.

No, it literally.

Wait, I was by day.

Oh, I'm sorry.

Thank you.

Okay.

I just remember that.

Yeah.

Sorry.

Sorry, Sam.

Sorry, Sam.

They released this song and

the lyrics are about like they shouldn't be together.

And I remember watching this clip on Kelly Clarkson where they're like talking about that song.

And

and the girl was like, Well, you know, why does Kelly was like asking an audience member, like, Why do you love this song so much?

and she like gave this like whole thing about like loving her, you know, she thinks of her mom and like she loves her mom.

And I'm like, Do you know what that song is about?

Right, because I was blasting it when I was heartbroken.

That's a good, good album.

That was it won like eight Grammys.

You should have called it the Sammy.

Sam live twice.

I've seen him live once.

I loved them.

So good.

Um, what were we gonna do?

You're gonna write a haiku.

You're gonna write a song.

Okay.

What is the structure?

It's short sentences.

Yes.

It's 17 syllables in three lines of five, seven, and five.

So five words, seven words, and then five words.

Okay.

When we were just off the air for like five minutes, I can't write a haiku.

So if I ever got into music,

it would be written for me.

Okay.

And I would just put the vocals on it.

So it would be like.

You could collab.

Yeah.

You could be a co-writer.

I could also do auto-tune.

Yeah.

I mean, Farrah did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Blowing in the wind, I think that was her song.

Blowing.

Blowing in the wind.

Blowing.

Okay.

Let's talk about you for a second.

So you, and you've talked about this before.

So it's nothing like I'm like not outing you, right?

No, I don't think so.

I think I've, I've become more comfortable sharing more about myself.

I used to be a little bit more guarded on social media, but I'm a lot more open now.

So ask a question.

These people are ruthless.

They are.

So you are a recovering alcoholic?

Yes.

I got sober in September of 2013.

Wow.

Yeah.

I've been completely sober ever since.

No alcohol, no drugs, no weed, nothing.

And you have become a counselor for recovery.

What is that like?

It's a lot.

I mean, it's very rewarding, but it's also can be quite devastating

when you're literally on the front lines working at a rehab.

You're getting people that are

off the streets, essentially.

And

sometimes you get good calls of people saying they're doing really well.

And then sometimes you don't get good ones.

So

that can be hard.

So being on both sides of it, both having been, you know, an alcoholic and in, you know, the recovery field,

what does it take or what have you noticed that it takes from an individual who is trying to recover in order to be successful?

What does it take from them?

Honestly, the way I see it and the way I tell patients, you're not done until you're done.

I think people change when the pain becomes great enough.

And I think you just reach a certain point where you just can't do it.

It's not from like a lack of trying because there's so many people that will like try to get sober and then you know they'll relapse, which isn't a failure by any means.

As long as you keep trying, that's what matters.

But I think when people are done, they're done.

They know they are.

Sort of like toxic relationship.

People can tell you until you're blue in the face that you need to leave it, but you can't

hit that wall.

Yep.

Okay.

And then, like, people who are struggling to like, will say, lose weight or like start a task or whatever, they have to want to do it bad enough for them to actually do it.

Yep.

Nobody can get anybody sober because if, if they could, I mean, people wouldn't have drug or alcohol problems because people will be like, oh, get sober for, you know, your family, get sober for your kids.

People

try,

but until they're done,

they,

you know, they're not done.

Do you think it also depends on how the dependence on whatever it is, whether it be alcohol, drugs, it depends how it affects that person specifically, right?

Like, because I don't know why you, how, how you ended up being able to become a recovering alcoholic, but like for my mom, for example, she doesn't, she's, got money from an inheritance.

She bought a house and doesn't really have a reason to get sober.

It's not really like, there's nothing that's really impacted her on her day-to-day basis to want to get sober, right?

So for you, do you think that it makes a difference in how that alcoholism or drug addiction like impacts them?

It can.

I mean, I know for me, I

knew I wouldn't live to see 30.

I didn't, I had a lot of consequences.

I wasn't, you know, a

like an alcoholic that could like skate by and people wouldn't know.

Like it was very obvious I had a problem.

I was a menace to society.

Like I was getting arrested all the time.

Like it was very obvious that I had a problem.

And I was very reckless with the way that I was living my life where I had to lose a lot of things.

But the year before I got sober was actually way worse than the year I got sober.

I hit like a spiritual bottom in 2013 where I was like, I

just, I could not do it anymore.

I was backed into a corner.

So like hitting rock bottom, essentially.

Absolutely.

Cause I've heard that so many times that especially in addiction and alcoholism is that you have to hit rock bottom.

But I think that that's so true for so many aspects of life is that you have to hit rock bottom for maybe you're not an addict, but you're, I don't know.

Everybody has like their thing.

Yeah, like their vice or, you know, maybe someone's a habitual cheater or I don't know.

You know what I'm saying?

That they have to hit their rock bottom.

Do you think that it gives you sort of a unique perspective and a unique way to connect with the people that are trying trying to recover because you've been on both sides versus maybe someone like, I don't want to speak for Alessandra.

You're neither one of your parents or addicts, right?

No.

Alcoholics.

So if Alessandra went into the field, she's not going to have the same sort of,

not saying she wouldn't be able to resonate with the people, but it gives you a more of a unique.

A little bit more of an edge.

Yeah.

Or

maybe even me where I am the child of an addict

and an alcoholic.

And so, because I think my dad,

I'm saying it is, to my knowledge, knowledge, this is not meant to be,

what is it called, defamation.

I'm pretty sure my dad's an alcoholic as well, like my sperm donor.

Okay.

Not positive, but I could be.

Could give me a little bit of a unique edge as well because I'm the child of an addict.

I'm an alcoholic.

You've seen it firsthand.

So that's really interesting.

I have a friend who also is sort of in that field and I've never really gotten to talk to her about it, but I think it's really interesting that you do that.

Do people like that you work with also recognize you from the content you create?

I had to step back at work.

You did?

Yeah.

I mean patients started to recognize me and it was like a problem.

Oh.

And I was like, all right, I, I need to step back here.

Like there was one, um, this isn't like hip or anything.

I'm not like breaking it, but there was a patient that asked like about my husband.

And I was like, I can't do this.

So I took a step back.

So I go like sometimes whenever I'm needed, but I still have my like licensure and everything like that.

Oh, you have to be licensed to do that?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I'm a licensed addictions counselor.

Yep.

I went to school for it and everything.

So what does that entail?

Like when you say that you are a licensed,

what is it?

Licensed addictions counselor.

What does that mean?

What do you do for the patient or what would someone in your field do for the patient?

So I do intake assessments, like see what their individual needs are.

I create treatment plans for them.

I also do case management, which can get a little bit tricky.

Like if somebody has like a lot of court stuff going on, any like legal problems, I would help them kind of navigate that kind of stuff and I really do enjoy that because I remember when I was going through all my court stuff I my life was so disorganized I needed somebody to like help me with that and I didn't yeah so now I can do that for patients and yeah I also create like aftercare plans like if they want to go to like sober living or something like that

therapist yeah I set them up with all that do you ever think that court ordered help or court ordered rehab

actually actually works?

It can.

In order for my mom to maintain custody of me, she had to do court-ordered rehab

and clearly didn't work.

That's why I asked.

So I'm just wondering, is there a time-which?

Yeah, you have.

Just because maybe it just coincided with rock bottom or like the circumstances felt that way.

That's what it takes.

And sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

Yeah.

Did you have a unique perspective?

Do you feel like with the whole Ryan situation with teen mom, because you are, you are a recovering alcoholic, you also work in this field or you worked in this field what was your take on that i i made a lot of um

videos about um amanda and ryan amanda is his fiancé because they met in rehab got it and you're not supposed to do that to my knowledge right no it's not recommended at all um it's it can end very badly and i would never recommend anybody do that um but some i mean i i guess in their case it's working but i would not recommend that at all and i've talked to Amanda about this too.

And she was like, I mean, I agree with you.

But they shouldn't have done it.

Well, not that they shouldn't have done it, but like overall general sense, like it's not a good idea.

Amanda was actually really receptive.

We've had a really good conversation about it.

When you hear stories about addicts and things like that, both in your field or like Ryan, like.

Do we know how Ryan got hooked on it?

Because I know sometimes it's like drug, like if you get surgery and you get addicted to painkillers or you have like a predisposition because you have it out, like,

you know, it runs runs in your family but like it's always so fascinating to me because i don't

especially because he came from a very like well-to-do family very privileged family i don't i don't know if he's talked about it before if he has i don't recall but i don't know if there was like an accident that got him hooked on it but there was clearly something that made him want to take drugs in the first place.

Yeah.

And that's really what it's about because when I first got sober, they were like, it's not about how much you drink or how often you drink.

It's about why you're drinking in the first place.

And that was kind of like a aha moment for me because I was like, why am I?

And there was like so much pain that I was trying to cover up from an early age.

And once you like clean out all of that trauma inside of you, so to speak.

You can't just like the feeling?

I mean, you can.

Because I feel like for me, when I think about it, not I don't drink.

I like the feeling because it made me not feel.

But do you really know that when you start doing it?

Like you don't know that you're drinking to cover up the pain.

Like, I can't think of a time in my life where I was going through something so bad that I was like, I'm going to go get drunk.

Yeah.

Because I like the feeling and I don't want to feel what I'm feeling.

I have never thought that way in my head.

I've never been like, if I go get drunk right now, I won't feel this.

Like, I've never thought that way.

That's really interesting that you said that because I've had to really like look back on my life like through therapy and everything like that.

When I started drinking at 16, I would have said no,

but in hindsight, I always knew I was drinking to cover up pain because what I was going through at that time,

I had gone through like several traumatic things at the same time.

And it, I, I've said this before on a podcast and I'll say it here too.

Like, if I didn't start drinking, I would have killed myself at 16.

I think it saved me and kept me alive long enough to get sober.

So it was really difficult for me to like leave that behind because it was like my best friend and kept me.

So you knew and you made the connection in your head

that

I like the way this makes me feel.

And when I have a problem, I'm going to go feel this way instead.

Yeah, I wanted to be the closest thing to death without being dead.

And that was being blackout drunk every time I drank, which is very dark, but it's true.

I just didn't want to feel what I was feeling.

I've also never been blackout drunk.

Really?

No.

Like I,

it's so crazy because I know alcohol and drugs in general just like affect people differently.

And I, anytime, the handful of times, I'm 33, the handful of times that I've been drunk, um,

one, took me very, very long time to get drunk.

Um,

but I know my limits.

I know when to stop.

I still know right from wrong.

I still am very, like, I remember everything.

I've never been blackout.

Do you not drink because of your mom?

I,

I think that's what it is.

Cause I mean, I'm not, I would be lying if I said I never tried it when I was younger.

Right.

So I would smell it and it would just make me sick to my stomach because that's how my mom would smell.

And I'd be home, I'd be on the bus ride home to my mom in sixth grade.

And I'd be have a knot in my stomach.

What am I going to go home to?

Yeah.

She would smell like it.

I would smell it on her before she even opened her mouth.

And so I was very triggered by the smell.

And so the smell, it tastes just like it smells.

And so then when I drink, I think of her.

And like, takes you back.

I mean, thankfully, like Joe, Javi, and Chris were never drinkers.

Like, they're just, I mean, casual, social, whatever, but they were not like have to have a drink every night kind of thing.

Yeah.

Where, you know, when I met Elijah, he's an army guy, and I was like, you know,

he's not an alcoholic by any means,

but if he had had a drink two hours before I got home, I would smell it.

Like, could he

triggered?

Yeah.

So I don't know if it was like a conscience, a conscious choice to not drink or if it was like, I'm so turned off by the smell and the taste of it that I couldn't get past it.

Does that make sense?

Yeah.

But it's, it's, I do know people, I have friends that um have alcoholic parents and they choose not to drink because of their parents they're like they don't even want to take that risk see that's how I am about because I know that alcohol is a drug I think people think that oh well it's not a drug that they don't have a problem but it's like

no you're a fucking alcoholic you're a raging alcoholic um

and because I know that both of them can run similarly in the families and things like that.

I've always been afraid of pills.

I've had my wisdom wisdom teeth out, cosmetic surgery, childbirth,

you know, C-section.

I've always been terrified because I'm not going to lie to y'all, like I've taken Vicodin Prococets when I've had surgery and it scared me.

I do not want to take pain meds because I'm scared of what my mom has going on happening to me.

So not with alcohol necessarily, but like just in general with like pain meds, anything like that.

Yeah, that's good that you recognize that about yourself because

it does.

Scares me for my kids.

Because they don't, they've never, they've never never seen it firsthand so they also don't have that to like deter them and i think you know it's still possible for them

it's terrifying it's true okay so i'll expect um a deep dive on me i'll get i'll get to work i'm just kidding um and where i'll do it where

where can people find you jordy cray everywhere everywhere so uh instagram text because i'm not doing that no we're not doing that so uh tick tock instagram what about facebook facebook yeah just jordy cray yep okay well, we love you.

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