Beyond My Super Sweet 16 with Jazmin Knighton

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Speaker 8 It's your fade villain, Kale Wower.

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Speaker 8 Hey fuckers, happy Friday. I'm sitting with my friend Jasmine, who was on my Super Sweet 16 20 years ago.
Welcome to the show. Thank you.

Speaker 8 So your show aired 20 years years ago and we need to backtrack because I've learned so much about you over the weekend and I feel like the people watching your show had no idea any of your backstory, which I think is super fascinating.

Speaker 8 And so first, let's talk about how you got on your My Super Suite 16.

Speaker 10 So I was about 15 and my mom and I used to watch like the first season.

Speaker 10 And I just made like a comment one time like, oh my God, it'd be so cool to be on that show. And I never really had like a birthday party before, like, my whole life.

Speaker 10 So, my mom, like, secretly applied for me. And the one day, she like picked me up from school and she let me listen to a voicemail.

Speaker 10 And it was one of the MTD producers saying that they were interested in my story and they wanted to come, like, do like a trial period, like, filming me for the weekend.

Speaker 10 And so, I was like freaking out. And then they came and they liked me, and we kind of went from there.

Speaker 8 But when you say your mom, you mean your adoptive?

Speaker 10 My adopted mom, yeah.

Speaker 8 So she applied you for the show?

Speaker 10 Yes.

Speaker 8 During the filming process that it was like a trial, what did you have to film during that time?

Speaker 10 It was just them following me around from what I remember, like just the weekend and like just seeing how I was on camera or like around my friends.

Speaker 8 And was it weird being on camera?

Speaker 10 It was. It was, but I just remember like, I was telling my husband, I remember that time of my life being like, I was on such a high, like I was just freshly adopted.

Speaker 10 It was like a whole different lifestyle then I had cameras in my face so I was just kind of like going with the flow I remember it being like exciting for me more than like nerve-wracking I had the complete opposite experience.

Speaker 8 Yeah. So I went, I, my first day of filming was at my high school and I had just transferred from Whitehall to Nazareth.
And it was, first of all, I was the new girl and I was pregnant.

Speaker 8 So it was a little rough. And so it was just super intimidating.
But you had just total opposite.

Speaker 10 Well, I had like, I think I was in 10th grade at the time. So like the juniors and seniors hated me, like for sure.
I was like the new girl that was being filmed. And yeah.

Speaker 8 And so you had only just gotten adopted like the year prior.

Speaker 10 Technically, I was only adopted for like a few months at that time because I lived with them for like six months before the adoption went through.

Speaker 8 So was it, were they your

Speaker 8 like an um, were they a father?

Speaker 10 No. They found me online on like adoption.org.

Speaker 8 Okay, wait. So I have a note about that.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And it says your social worker took you to JCPenney for like a photo shoot and you sort of like made the connection between that and what child, what was it? Human trafficking.

Speaker 8 Do you still feel that way?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I definitely believe it's like legal human trafficking. It's

Speaker 8 were anybody else getting profiles done for them for their adoption?

Speaker 10 Yeah, if you go on the website, there's literally thousands and thousands and thousands of kids, all different like age groups.

Speaker 10 And yeah, I just had like a little paragraph on my picture and a little button to inquire to my social worker. And that's how they found me.

Speaker 8 And so did you ever talk to them about what stuck out

Speaker 8 to them about you versus other kids or younger kids?

Speaker 10 Yeah, actually, my mom just kind of explained this to me the other day. She said they were originally looking for like a young boy.

Speaker 10 And then my mom just started looking at like all the teenage pictures. And she just started thinking like, wow, these older kids have like no hope.

Speaker 10 Like they're most likely going to age out in the system.

Speaker 10 And she said it was between me and like another teen girl and like every picture that she showed my dad he would be like no we're not doing diapers or no they're too young and then i guess between me and the other girl my dad just kind of like looked at them and like set our pictures aside and she said somehow they just ended up going with me did you feel instantly connected when you met them yeah they like came they flew from eerie which was like six hours away from where i was living and i met them at the courthouse and it was like instant like huge hug i remember like how good my mom smelled.

Speaker 10 I don't know why that stands out to me. And then they spent the weekend with me and like took me shopping.
And they didn't really tell me like

Speaker 10 how successful they were or anything. And

Speaker 10 I went to their house about three weeks later. And that's when I was like, oh, this is where I'm going to be living.
Like

Speaker 10 they didn't mention anything. They just, you know.
They were acting like normal people.

Speaker 8 People. Yeah.
And then you have biological siblings. Yes.

Speaker 10 Was there any interest in your adoptive parents adopting any of your biological siblings no my younger sister was i believe adopted at the time um

Speaker 10 and my older brothers they weren't i i don't know i just i think they just were interested in me were you all in the system at the same time or were all of you in the system yeah we were all taken at the same time and then we were separated.

Speaker 10 My older brother ended up being taken out by his biological dad. He has a different dad.

Speaker 10 My other brother was just aged out in the system. My other brother was in a group home.
And then my younger sister was adopted by a horrible family.

Speaker 8 So when you say separated, did that mean that you had no contact with them at all?

Speaker 10 We had visits. So I remember like they took us to the agency.
They one by one like found our homes that day. And we had like, I think it was weekly visits with them and then my mom

Speaker 10 and my dad once he was out of jail.

Speaker 10 Yeah, we had weekly visits and sometimes our mom would show up to them, sometimes she wouldn't.

Speaker 8 And do you have a relationship with any of them today?

Speaker 10 My siblings or anybody.

Speaker 10 My sibling, my like one brother I'm really close with.

Speaker 10 My biological mom, absolutely not. She's toxic.
She's still an alcoholic.

Speaker 10 I just had to block her a few months ago because my biological dad died and she just was like texting me all this evil stuff about it.

Speaker 10 So yeah.

Speaker 8 When you went with your adoptive family, were they supportive about keeping any relationships with your biological family?

Speaker 10 Yeah, actually, like shortly after my show aired, my older brother somehow got a hold of me or like found me on MySpace or something. And my.
My adoptive parents flew me down to the area.

Speaker 10 And that's when I saw like my mom and dad for the first time after like seven years of not seeing them.

Speaker 8 It's so interesting to me because I, when I was on TV, I think that's when Instagram started, like 2010, 2011.

Speaker 8 And so when we were at my house and we were talking about social media and you were like, people were so mean to you.

Speaker 8 I thought that the like the rise of social media, the peak of social media was like 2010, 2011. But you were on TV before that.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I remember, which I shouldn't have, I went on like the MTV website and like you could see like comments on there and I should have never done that. No, it's awful.
Yeah, I won't go on Reddit.

Speaker 8 That's like my one platform that I will never go on. I don't know if you've ever heard of Reddit.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it's horrible. Yeah, the things people say are like it's crazy.

Speaker 8 Okay, so but let's go back to filming your show. And I want to hear about your experience filming it.
Did they write your narration? Like, you know how you do like a voiceover on the episodes? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Mine were always written for me, and I wasn't allowed to change any of the details unless I put up a huge fight about like details that were in the episodes. So was that written for you?

Speaker 10 I don't remember reading from anything, but it was like so rehearsed like before I started talking.

Speaker 10 Like I think one of the opening scenes, I was like, I was raised in foster care and now I'm known as the rich girl from Erie. Is that true? No, I wasn't known as a rich girl from Erie.

Speaker 10 Nobody even knew me. I just moved there.
But it was like so stupid.

Speaker 10 And then, or like, if I would just say something being funny or that sounded bratty to them, they would have me like re-say it, but like more obnoxiously.

Speaker 8 But did you know that was what was going on at the time? Because I feel like I didn't. Like, I would just do what they told me to do.
I didn't really question it.

Speaker 10 I didn't realize how bad like the editing would be. Like, they had all these, and then some of my sentences just sounded like chopped and screwed.
And, like,

Speaker 10 I couldn't believe like what they did to my sentences because some of them are like really, really edited.

Speaker 8 Fragments. Yeah.
Speaking fragments. Yeah.
How long was the filming process?

Speaker 10 I think it was like five, six months. Are you kidding? Probably like off and on.
Because they started filming probably like two months before my birthday.

Speaker 10 And then I remember they went to Mexico with me

Speaker 10 like the end of August, maybe even into September. But yeah, it was like a couple months.

Speaker 8 And your parents just like signed off on this and were fine with it?

Speaker 10 Um, they were until like my show was aired and they like hated it.

Speaker 10 I remember they wouldn't let me go to the reunion or they asked me to be on the exiled show where they like send the kids away and they wouldn't let me be on that either.

Speaker 8 Would you have wanted to do it

Speaker 10 after I saw the show exiled? I was like, I'm glad I did it. I don't remember that.
They like sent them to like third world countries, and they like lived in caves.

Speaker 10 I don't do bugs.

Speaker 8 Some would say I belong in a cave, so

Speaker 8 wait, I feel like I would do that. It's like the teen version of like survivor or like naked and afraid.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but you have to like sleep in cots, like in these homes. And I, the bugs, I think I would have died.

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Speaker 10 I think at nighttime, I would just have freaked out.

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Speaker 8 Would you have changed anything from filming your episode to like looking back? Would you have done anything different?

Speaker 10 Um, my hair, first of all, my hair.

Speaker 2 Anyway, that was the time.

Speaker 10 That wasn't your fault.

Speaker 8 Like, do you remember the straight bangs and then like pearls?

Speaker 10 You had like a razor cut. I was, I did the Ashley.
Let me look this up. Hold on.
Can someone pull up a picture of her? Oh my God, I had the worst razor cut because Ashley's. What is a razor cut?

Speaker 10 Just razored the cracks.

Speaker 8 Like a chemo situation.

Speaker 10 Yeah, it was so ugly.

Speaker 8 It was with the times, though.

Speaker 10 Yeah, but I had a big head already, so I don't know why I thought that haircut would look good on me.

Speaker 8 Inquiring minds would like to know did you get paid for my Super Sweet 16?

Speaker 10 No.

Speaker 8 Did your parents?

Speaker 10 Not that I know of.

Speaker 8 Are you fucking kidding me? No.

Speaker 10 They just watched my parents spend the money, I guess.

Speaker 8 I wish. I got $5,000 before taxes for my episode of 16 Impregnant.
Oh, wow. Yeah.
I think what's that after taxes? Like $4,000. Okay, so you didn't get paid for My Super Sweet 16.

Speaker 8 What made you want to do it then? Just to be on it?

Speaker 10 I think it was just like to have the experience. Yeah.
Because it was still like a new show at the time.

Speaker 10 I think they did a bunch of seasons after me and it kind of got played out after a while. Yeah.
I was still on it when it was cool.

Speaker 8 You were talking to me about how there was a little bit of resentment between you and one or more of your siblings for being adopted. Do you still feel like that's true?

Speaker 10 With my biological siblings, yes, because I have some adoptive siblings as well.

Speaker 10 But yeah, I still feel like that. They treat me like I'm just some like strong girl that can just be a punk, a punching bag to them.
I don't know.

Speaker 8 Because they're resentful that you were adopted?

Speaker 10 I think so. Like by a good family, as they had to struggle probably longer than I did.

Speaker 8 I do think that they might not even realize where the resentment is coming from, but I feel like I would feel that way too. Like why me or why her? You know what I mean?

Speaker 8 If you put yourself like in their shoes, but also it wasn't your fault.

Speaker 10 I know.

Speaker 10 I was like, I remember praying and praying like every night in foster care for like a good family to find me and they did yeah so what is your relationship like today with your family with your adoptive family great i mean um it's it's good they live six hours away so i don't really like tell them too much about my day-to-day life yeah but they check in we go to visit like two times a year for a couple days at a time but what made you move back to the lehigh valley after you lived in erie well i only lived in Erie for like three, four years and then I moved to the Lehigh Valley when I was 18 for cosmetology school.

Speaker 10 And yeah, and then I met my now husband when I was 18.

Speaker 8 But so can you tell me how you know my mom?

Speaker 10 So she was in my cosmetology class, but she was going for her teacher's license. So I think her program was like three months long, but she was in our class and would like teach it like once a week.

Speaker 10 But she wasn't, yeah, like she would get graded for like teaching the class.

Speaker 8 How did she do?

Speaker 10 I don't know. I remember we hated when she had to do it.

Speaker 10 Here goes Miss Susie acting like she knows what she's talking about.

Speaker 8 Fake it till you make it, I guess.

Speaker 8 I was mortified.

Speaker 10 She wasn't like what they showed on your show, like at school.

Speaker 8 Of course she wasn't. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Unless she was like low-key doing stuff. I don't know.
Oh, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 Yeah. To get out of bed always.

Speaker 8 But I think you saw her. The last time I saw her would have been before you saw her, so you would have been the last person to see her, like in real time, right now.

Speaker 10 Possibly.

Speaker 8 That's so crazy. Okay, so today you're married.
You have three kids and one on the way. Yes.

Speaker 8 How do you think your childhood and going from foster care and in this system to adoption has shaped your motherhood today?

Speaker 10 I feel like I took pieces of parenting from like each of my foster homes because I was in like 10 different homes.

Speaker 10 There's things that I would never do to my kids, or you know, know, there's some parts that I did.

Speaker 10 I don't know. I just, I'm super protective.
First of all, I don't let my kids sleep anywhere.

Speaker 10 Or like, I'm just really, really, even on the way here, I was arguing with my teenage daughter because she wanted to go to a friend's house. I don't know.

Speaker 10 I'm like, no, you're not hanging out with her and her dad.

Speaker 8 Well, you sort of have like insight on what goes on in other people's homes that doesn't get talked about.

Speaker 10 Yeah, my kids don't have the trauma that I dealt with. So she just thinks I'm crazy and overprotective for no reason.
But the world is crazy.

Speaker 8 Were there any foster families that you had growing up that you thought you wanted to adopt to?

Speaker 10 Yeah, actually my one,

Speaker 10 my one foster mom, I'm super close with her still to this day. Like she has my little baby right now.

Speaker 10 My kids love her. They look at her as like a grandmother.

Speaker 10 But yeah, she just wasn't ready to adopt at the time. But she was one.
And then there was like another Dominican family that I was hoping for too, but it just didn't work out.

Speaker 8 No, do you ever hold resentment towards them at all?

Speaker 10 Uh, no, I think it was like meant to play out how it did. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I

Speaker 8 also was in the system as a small child, but I don't have a whole lot of memory before 10, so it's like hard for me to even put myself there.

Speaker 8 Um, definitely was doing things I shouldn't have been doing because I was sort of just in and out of homes, family. Did you ever go to family?

Speaker 8 Did they ever like put you in the care of like extended family?

Speaker 10 Uh, no.

Speaker 10 I know there was like an aunt that wanted to get me, but she's it's like jumping through hoops if you are trying to get like a family member out of foster care, they'd rather give the kids to like strangers in Delaware.

Speaker 8 It's the opposite, really. They try to go to all biological family first and then see what's yeah, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 10 It's weird.

Speaker 8 When you first got with your husband, how did you explain your trauma to him?

Speaker 10 Um, I don't know if I told him things right away, but definitely definitely like little by little, he, he knows like everything I've been through.

Speaker 10 I mean, as far as I can like explain, because my flashbacks and memories, I can only explain so much. And there's things I don't want to like give super detail.
Like,

Speaker 8 you know, because I would imagine it's like hard if you remember. I don't know if this has ever happened to you, but we'll be, Kristen and I will be on a work trip and something will happen.

Speaker 8 Like, I told her about someone pulling a knife on at school and it was like, oh, I never told you that. And it was just something triggered me for me to say say it.

Speaker 8 And I just like forgot that I like didn't ever talk about it. And so I would imagine the same would happen to you.
And how long have y'all been together? 15 years?

Speaker 10 Like 18. 18 years.

Speaker 8 So like, I'm sure that happens to you. And he's probably like, what the fuck?

Speaker 10 Yeah. It'll be like random smells or like my breath will taste weird.
It's like weird stuff.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I always feel that way when I go back home.
It's like the air feels different. Yeah.
I don't know how to explain it. Like when you drive back into the town or whatever.

Speaker 8 But okay, can we talk about the

Speaker 8 how you said go back to human trafficking?

Speaker 8 Do you feel like some of the foster homes were like dorm rooms?

Speaker 10 Yeah, we

Speaker 10 she crammed like me and two other girls in a small basement room. This was like right before I got adopted.
I was living in this home for like two and a half years.

Speaker 10 And I only stayed that long because I really liked my group of friends at that school. But yeah, we were crammed in a basement room.
There was a motion detector outside of our room.

Speaker 10 And if we acted up, we would only be allowed like to the first level when they like undid the motion detector. They would like call down for meals or

Speaker 10 yeah, we just like lived in the basement all the time.

Speaker 8 What if you didn't get along with one of the girls?

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 10 it did happen. Like there was a few girls that were in and out and I ran away with one of them for a few days.

Speaker 10 The foster sister I had before I got adopted, she, me and her were really, really close. We still are to this day.

Speaker 10 But yeah, that foster home, they had their biological son used to come and sneak down into my room and try to do stuff. When you're going through it, you just think it has to be like secretive.

Speaker 10 And I don't know. I never even told the foster mom what her son was doing to me.

Speaker 8 So she doesn't know even now?

Speaker 10 I don't think so.

Speaker 8 What do you think could change or be improved in the system, in the foster care system specifically?

Speaker 10 I think

Speaker 10 my number one thing that comes to mind when I am asked that question is how kids are taken. Like it's always so traumatizing.
Like they're mid-hug with their mom and they're like being pried away. And

Speaker 10 there's like,

Speaker 10 I think there's so many situations where kids don't have to be taken right away where like if there's a call and the mom's house is dirty and it's like something she can fix or like have a parenting class or two and like, you know, hire a cleaning lady for the mom or like just teach her because there's some moms that really just don't know what especially if they're a new mom they don't know how to balance everything but there's so many situations where they could help the mom first unless they're like being severely abused like that's a different story but i just feel like they take kids so quickly and then it's always like so traumatizing like there's no gradual transition or you they don't let like the parent care like slowly explain to the kid what's going on i was taken right from school i wasn't allowed to get any of my clothes or toys they just were like the hell with that.

Speaker 10 And they gave me a duffel bag at the agency with like a stuffed animal and toothbrush in it. And they're like, this is your new belongings.
How old were you?

Speaker 10 I was eight. The second time I was in foster care, I was in foster care when I was a toddler as well.

Speaker 8 But you were able to go back to your parents?

Speaker 10 Yeah, somehow my mom, my dad was always like kind of in and out of jail, my biological dad. But my mom's the one like

Speaker 10 Once we got back with her, I don't even know how she got us back because she had an open case with children children and youth, like, I think starting in 1988 and I was born in 89.

Speaker 10 So they were like watching her parenting for a while.

Speaker 10 Somehow she got us back in like 93 for five years and we endured like so much abuse within her? Yeah, and her with her boyfriend. Oh, wow.
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Speaker 8 I remember my grandparents or somebody telling me about

Speaker 8 My mom, her family had pole in the system, like in Pennsylvania also, like Northeast, like Lake Wall and Paul Pax, Granton area.

Speaker 8 Um, and the judge said that if my mom went to rehab, she could keep custody.

Speaker 8 And so that was literally the deciding factor: was like, all you have to do is go to rehab, and then when you're out, you can have custody. So it's just very like,

Speaker 8 and then whatever happens after that is like, they were just going to turn a blind eye. So I think it's really weird.
I think I would have been better off if I had just been taken and been done. Yeah.

Speaker 8 But it's interesting that you say that,

Speaker 10 you know, I mean, I definitely should have been taken from my mom. Like even in like my paperwork, it said like she was failing drug tests for cocaine, but she was denying she was doing cocaine.

Speaker 10 And like there was poor hygiene. There was like medical neglect, like all types of neglect and abuse she was putting us through.

Speaker 10 So obviously at the time, I'm sad I was being taken from my mom, mostly my siblings, because my, me and my siblings were so close. But as an adult, I'm so glad I was taken.

Speaker 10 So I was definitely in a situation where I should have been taken and never given back.

Speaker 8 But do you ever feel like now that you you have a family of your own that you like wish that you had a mom to share this experience with or like go to?

Speaker 10 Sometimes, but I'm just like used to it. Like, I'm, I don't know, I'm used to not really having, I'm really, really close with my one foster mom, like probably closer than I am to my adoptive mom.

Speaker 10 I just talk to my foster mom every single day. I'm just used to not having like a mother figure.

Speaker 8 Just second nature for you.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 8 I still get, I feel weird sometimes. Yeah.
When I, because my kids ask, like, even Creed this morning was like, so your mom was on drugs

Speaker 8 no filter just so we didn't so she didn't care about you and it's just right in your face because there's they're curious and like i think naturally like when i was having like the twins and like i don't know i want i want my mom and it's weird because i never had a relationship with her growing up either so it's like i never had her and then as an adult i still miss her and so i don't know i didn't know if you shared that same i don't know i just wish she was like different like even being pregnant um like i never told her i'm sure she heard from my siblings but

Speaker 10 She's just so toxic where I just don't even want her in my life or my kids life. Yeah

Speaker 8 Kids call your adoptive mom like grandma or anything They call her Mimi.

Speaker 10 Yeah, and then but we don't see her that often So like even my youngest daughter doesn't really know my adoptive parents yet because we haven't been up there that much since she was born They call my foster mom Nini because her name is Nikki.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 But yeah, I don't know. They have that at least.
And then my

Speaker 10 husband's grandmother is around too. She's a sweetheart.
So they have like grandmother figures. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So I feel like that's so, I, my grandparents took me in a lot when I was a kid. And so like having grandparent figures, I feel like is so important just to have.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 I don't know, in your childhood and stuff.

Speaker 10 Yeah. But if it's as toxic as like my biological mom, it's not even worth it because as much as she's hurt me, like I have to protect my kids.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 So, but you said you're close with one of your biological brothers. Does he have kids and do you get to raise the kids together?

Speaker 10 He does have a kid, but he lives like in New York, so he's like distant. Well, shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Isn't it so weird how things play out when we're adults?

Speaker 10 I know. My oldest brother has two kids and he takes care of his like really well.
He's been married. So me and that one brother broke the cycle.

Speaker 10 My younger sister had two kids that were adopted because she's just like my biological mom.

Speaker 8 But how did you figure out how a family works? And like, did you always want to get married and have a family and be like, that was always my dream.

Speaker 10 I felt like I, from just being raised in foster, I always knew what I wanted. Like, I remember being young and being like, I want to be a young mom.
I know how to do this.

Speaker 10 Like, you know, I've been through so much. I'm like, I don't know how all these moms like fail.
I like, I'm ready to do the thing.

Speaker 8 Well, I think people like me and you learn what not to do versus going down the similar path or doing the same thing. And

Speaker 10 you learned what not to do yeah you put your kids first like before anything but so often i think that people follow in the same footsteps as the people that for sure like i should have been like in jail with like

Speaker 8 1000 probably addiction issues i always wonder if mtv didn't come into my life like where would i be

Speaker 8 i know that it's not maybe not hold the same weight for you because it was like one show yeah yeah yeah but i just don't know like would i have done the same thing as my mom so what you got adopted when you what like you said like a a year before you went on the show uh i moved in with them like a year before the show and then the adoption was like a couple months so how long after the adoption did you reconnect with your biological family um i think i was still 16.

Speaker 10 like i think it was shortly after my episode aired um

Speaker 10 i my older brother got a hold of me somehow. I forget.
I think it was through MySpace.

Speaker 8 Were you open to reconnecting with him or were you like, I'm living this new life and I really don't want to do it?

Speaker 10 No, I wanted to. Like I missed them at that point.
Like I knew I was good. I had a new family.
So I felt safe going to visit them because I knew I was going back with my parents.

Speaker 10 But yeah, we like met them. They were in this like small apartment and it was great.
Like I have pictures from that first time that I was there.

Speaker 8 Was it everybody together or just your?

Speaker 10 It was just my

Speaker 10 It was my mom and my dad.

Speaker 10 I forget if my oldest brother was there, honestly, or if I saw him like the next day, but it was I remember my mom and dad that day.

Speaker 8 Your biological parents? Yes. And did your adoptive parents go with? Yeah.
And so did they meet? Yeah. What was that like?

Speaker 10 It was fine. I think my mom was curious to see like who I came from.
So I remember her like just respecting them.

Speaker 10 Like no matter what they put me through, she like was kind of excited to meet them because they made me.

Speaker 10 But they're just so different than my adoptive parents.

Speaker 8 And were your biological parents as welcoming to your adoptive parents?

Speaker 10 I think so. They're like extra Spanish.
So

Speaker 10 my mom, especially, she like barely speaks English. It's like super broken.

Speaker 10 But yeah, and she has like, she's shy. So I remember, I don't know, it was just like a lot of hugging and crying.
And I remember just touching me like, like, is she really here? Yeah.

Speaker 10 But yeah, and then I try to keep in contact with them after I moved back to the Lehigh Valley. I saw my mom like quite a bit.
Like I have a lot of pictures with both of them.

Speaker 10 but she would just, you know, she still has her alcohol problems and would text me drunk. And I'm like, I don't want this.
I had to just, you know, put my boundaries up and not speak to her.

Speaker 8 Was there ever a point where you, after you were adopted, that you were like, I don't want any relationship with my biological parents?

Speaker 10 I've cut my biological mom off a few times, like throughout since I've been 18. Like they're like, I would go months or like, I'll go like a year or two without talking to her.

Speaker 10 And it's not, it's no issue because I'm used to that. I remember my, my biological dad i probably like two years ago i stopped like answering his phone calls and then this past um

Speaker 10 thanksgiving he called me and something told me to just answer it and he was in a good mood and was playing his guitar and then like two days later he tragically like passed away so and i was like damn like i wish i had more time with him i didn't expect that to be like our last phone call he never met like my youngest daughter but he was awesome like he was artistic i get like i feel like most of my personality from him.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 thank God I look like him. I like him.
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Speaker 8 I would be like, my mascara would be running down my face.

Speaker 10 Normally, I'm really ugly.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 but yeah, I like he never abused me like my mom did, and he didn't put me through any of that.

Speaker 10 He was just like in and out of jail when I was younger for like random things, like nothing to do with being a bad parent.

Speaker 10 And that he was actually trying to get us out of foster care and like get custody of us. Um, He was like in a halfway house, and we were visiting him there while I was in foster care.

Speaker 10 And then he went back in jail for like violating curfew and they terminated his rights. So he like never really had a chance.

Speaker 8 What I think as a mom now,

Speaker 8 I don't want to speak for you, but for me, I do give my mom a little bit of grace sometimes when I reflect because it's like they're trying to figure it out too.

Speaker 8 And like, it's not an excuse, but I think the older generations don't know how to deal with their own traumas. And so unfortunately for us and like millennials, like we're dealing with them

Speaker 8 back then, I feel like there was a lot of abuse, a lot of drugs, a lot of, and they never knew what the effects would be on their kids.

Speaker 8 And so giving him grace, like looking back, you know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 10 So that kind of just, I think, will always

Speaker 10 like hurt just how bad I can hold grudges because that's just what I'm used to doing. Yeah.

Speaker 10 But I wish I would have given him more grace for sure.

Speaker 8 But you do now. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So throughout your entire childhood and going through the foster care system, were you ever placed with any of your siblings?

Speaker 10 Uh, yes. My sister, for a little bit, I think I was like 11 and she was nine.
We were living in this gross foster home. She smoked cigarettes in the house.
I remember.

Speaker 8 Is that even allowed?

Speaker 10 I guess. They approve these foster families.
I don't know. But I remember the house always like had cigarette smoke.
Just she would smoke right in front of us.

Speaker 10 But we hated being there. So I think we were there for almost a year and they wouldn't move us.
Like normally you can like ask to be moved and they'll move you.

Speaker 10 But if there's not a reason, sometimes they just won't. So we came up with this brilliant plan to like trash her room because

Speaker 10 we knew they would kick us out right away. And she did.
It worked. She was mad because I think we broke like some sentimental things, but we were relocated that day.

Speaker 8 Together? Relocated together? We were separated. So did you regret it because you guys were separated? Did you think that you would be moved together?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I did.

Speaker 10 I remember regretting it because I was super sad that me and her were separated and then she just went down like a whole different path after that with like horrible homes and other trauma yeah

Speaker 8 do any of your siblings have a good relationship with your bio mom yeah my oldest

Speaker 8 my two older brothers they're like mommy's boys it's so interesting how y'all could come from the same family and be just totally different paths.

Speaker 10 I don't know. She like treats them so good and she like babies them.

Speaker 10 But then when it comes to me, i just have a lot of resentment towards her like for what she put me and my little sister through especially like she would leave us home alone all the time with her boyfriend and

Speaker 10 yeah it wasn't good

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Speaker 8 Do your kids ever ask for her or about her?

Speaker 10 No. My oldest daughter knows who she is.
Like my mom can be funny sometimes, but then there's just this super deep toxic side to her.

Speaker 10 So when we would like run into her every now and then, like normally my mom would say something funny and we'd laugh.

Speaker 8 You run into her like in public?

Speaker 10 Yeah, or like we would stop by and like have coffee and like eggs with her. She used to live like right down the street from me in Bethlehem.

Speaker 8 Was that weird for you?

Speaker 10 No, it just kind of felt like full circle. I think it was cool knowing that they were close, like her and my dad before he passed.

Speaker 10 And I can like see them whenever I chose to.

Speaker 8 And you had more control over when you saw them, why you saw them.

Speaker 8 I guess that makes sense. Yeah.

Speaker 10 So it was. I like knowing that they were nearby.

Speaker 10 And like i if i wanted to see them i could that's so interesting yeah and even if i called her today and wanted to stop over later like she would let me but i just don't want to that's so fascinating to me because it's like you got taken from her but then you could choose to have a relationship with her if you wanted to i know i just wish she didn't like continue mentally like abusing me and like you've done enough as like a child like i'm 35 now right it can stop you don't have to like keep going did she see your episode uh on mtv ever i think so.

Speaker 8 Did she have any reaction or like say anything to you about it?

Speaker 10 Not that I know of. Like, I don't, I don't know if I think she saw it.

Speaker 8 My mom signed over custody to my boyfriend's parents when I was 16.

Speaker 13 Did she really?

Speaker 10 Yeah. I didn't know that.

Speaker 8 And

Speaker 8 there was definitely like resentment. And I...
if I had to guess, like anger that like they had money, very well to do. They had a nice house.
They took care of their kids.

Speaker 8 And my mom just like sort of came and went um and so i was just curious to see if your parents had any sort of feelings towards like where you came from versus where you were adopted into

Speaker 10 um i think so like even i remember my biological mom if she would like mention my mom she'd be like you mom like she would say it with like an attitude like that's you like your mom

Speaker 10 like yeah i don't know so she definitely

Speaker 10 probably still does feel

Speaker 10 projection i feel yeah it definitely is because she still blames like her caseworker as to why we were taken into foster care.

Speaker 8 Not herself?

Speaker 10 Yeah, not at all. She's never like truly apologized or like taken accountability for anything.

Speaker 8 Wait, so was your younger sister ever adopted or she aged out of the system?

Speaker 10 She was adopted, but they, her adopted parents were abusing her, and her teacher called like children and youth on her adopted mom. And I think she had other foster kids at the time.

Speaker 10 So she got like her foster license revoked and my sister was placed back into foster care.

Speaker 8 So you were the only one that was like successfully adopted. Successfully adopted.

Speaker 8 Yeah, a a better way to put it have you okay and so do you think that the dynamic between the siblings changed because you were adopted or do you think it was always sort of tumultuous um it definitely was because i was adopted because we were so close like In the 90s, we would like run around.

Speaker 10 We're not home. I know, but I just remember like running around the streets.
We would like pop in and out of like our friends' houses.

Speaker 10 Like the kids were always together because my mom was always like MIA. Right.

Speaker 8 So you guys had to stick together. Yeah.
I remember being being so envious like growing up and not having, like, I had a sister, but I never, I didn't know about her until I was 12.

Speaker 8 And then I didn't meet her until I was 19. So I remember like wanting a sibling to like have, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8 And so I feel like there was, there had to be some consolation there for you to have your siblings,

Speaker 8 especially when you didn't have your parents.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And I still wish that to this day. I wish we were closer, but we're just all so different.

Speaker 8 Well, it's hard when you're raised so differently. Cause I remember you asked me over the weekend about my sister.

Speaker 8 And it's just like, when you're raised that long, that differently, I don't know that there's a way to like connect the same thing.

Speaker 10 I know it's so weird, though, because you would think you would have that like natural sibling like connection. And I do with them, but we just have like nothing in common.

Speaker 8 So, do you see a difference in how you grew up with your siblings versus how your kids are growing up as siblings?

Speaker 10 I think so, even though my kids act like they hate each other. They won't, they won't always.

Speaker 10 But they, I mean, they have no idea what like trauma is or, you know, being separated.

Speaker 8 So

Speaker 10 I don't know.

Speaker 8 It's so fascinating to me how like family dynamics work. Actually, is there anything in your documents that you want to share that people might not know?

Speaker 10 So it just said, like, I was in foster care from February 92 until June of 93.

Speaker 10 So when I was like in foster care, like as I was older, I remember my mom telling us we were only in foster care for like a few months. I didn't realize it was like 18 months.

Speaker 10 So I was in, I don't have like memory of that from like like two to like three and a half, and I which are formative years, they say, like, I'm like, 18 months was a long time, I was a little baby, like, toddler, yeah, and I was taken from my mom.

Speaker 10 I don't remember that at all, but I just think that was crazy.

Speaker 8 Well, they say that you have from zero to four is like the most formative years to like make an impact and create good habits or traumas, like from zero to four years old, and that was during that time.

Speaker 8 Yeah, do you feel like you struggle with abandonment at all

Speaker 8 or ever did?

Speaker 10 Yeah,

Speaker 10 I think I

Speaker 10 even like with my husband, like when we would have our little, you know, fights, I just, I would hold on. Like, I never wanted it to end.

Speaker 10 I think that's probably why we're still together after 18 years because I don't know. I've always dreamed of like having my family intact and together, no matter how hard.
Like a nuclear family.

Speaker 8 Yeah. If you ever fought, would you be like, but are you going to leave me?

Speaker 10 No, because I know

Speaker 10 now his ass is going nowhere.

Speaker 10 He's not going anywhere.

Speaker 8 The first fight, I'm like, oh my God, but do you still like me? Are Are you going to stay? Like, are you going to leave me?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 10 I didn't have that. But like in our 20s, I probably felt that way a few times.
But now, no, we're pretty locked in.

Speaker 8 I would say four kids, marriage. Yeah.

Speaker 10 Yeah. Pretty locked in.

Speaker 8 So you go into foster care from like one. What did you say? Two to three?

Speaker 10 Yeah. It says like we were taken, there was a result of poor hygiene and maintaining appropriate housing, poor parenting skills, domestic violence, and suspected drug and alcohol abuse.

Speaker 8 Do you know how you, if you read that in Delaware court today,

Speaker 8 they'd say,

Speaker 8 is the kid alive? Yeah. Is the kid scared of mom or dad? No, they get to keep them.
Like they will do, the state of Delaware will do anything. They will keep.

Speaker 8 inmates having custody of their children so long as like for we'll use fathers as an example because i know pennsylvania used to be like a for mom state i don't know how it is now but delaware is um 50 50-50 and for dad.

Speaker 8 They would rather them see a dad, an inconsistent and unreliable one, versus none at all.

Speaker 8 And I tend to disagree with that.

Speaker 10 Yeah. I think that there's enough signs of abuse, like a kid shouldn't be returned.

Speaker 10 Because I think once you like abuse your kid that bad or you're in and out of the system, like you're not going to change.

Speaker 10 You don't like, you don't become like an abuser to your kids and then just stop.

Speaker 8 And then just stop. Right, right, right.

Speaker 10 But yeah, my mom, like, I know they're like fun fact in here. Um, she kind of like ratted herself out like the day when they took us into foster care.

Speaker 10 Um, it says the mother had left the children alone for 45 minutes at the New Bethany shelter upon the return from school.

Speaker 10 Approximately 20 minutes later, the mother returned to the shelter and called the police to report her children missing. The children had left for their kids' peace program that we went to every day.

Speaker 10 Both police and shelter officials noted an alcohol smell on the mother's breath. It was later learned that the mother had been at a bar and had consumed five cans of beer.

Speaker 10 The shelter officials reported numerous incidents since the family's admission to the shelter that the children had been left unsupervised.

Speaker 10 And it has like all these dates that we were like left unsupervised.

Speaker 8 So she was at, y'all were living in a shelter and she was leaving to go to the bar.

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 8 When you read that and when you read that for the first time, what was going through your head?

Speaker 10 Well, my dad, my biological dad gave me this packet like. probably like seven years ago, but he kept because my mom always painted my dad to be out like the monster.

Speaker 10 And he always told me he had this packet of papers that'll like show me the truth. I didn't know that.
Like that, those specifics and why we were taken

Speaker 10 that day. I had no idea.
Or actually, the next day, I think they took us from school the next day.

Speaker 10 But I was just kind of like, wow, huh. And like the failing drug test, but like denying she was doing cocaine.
I just, I'm glad I have it because they like tore my files apart, you know.

Speaker 8 It's interesting though, like as a mom today

Speaker 8 thinking about putting yourself in that position like if you're in a shelter the last place i'm gonna go spend money is like a bar buying cocaine or doing drugs because i have these children to take

Speaker 10 five kids and she was still not caring

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Speaker 8 Do you have empathy for addicts or do you have resentment or anger towards addicts because of that?

Speaker 10 I feel like addicts that aren't parents, like I might have empathy for, but if you're a parent and you give birth, like I'm sorry, but you need to stop your shit.

Speaker 10 Like whatever you're doing just has to stop. Yeah.
There's a time and a place if you do want to have a few drinks, but like I'm, I'm definitely not an alcoholic.

Speaker 10 I'll drink like once or twice a year socially, but I just don't understand how people can like

Speaker 10 get fucked up all the time while they have five kids running around. Yeah, I don't know.
No, I get that.

Speaker 8 You said you drink once or twice a year. I generally don't drink at all because I feel like, one, I'm scared to like it too much.
Yeah, I'm just doing it.

Speaker 8 And then same like any procedures I've had done, surgery or anything, like I try not to take the narcotics.

Speaker 8 So like I'd rather sit in pain than give myself the opportunity to be addicted to painkillers or something. Right.

Speaker 8 It just scares me. So do you sort of have the same?

Speaker 10 Yeah, because it like runs in my family, like alcoholism and everything.

Speaker 10 So I, I don't want to like have alcohol in my house like that because I probably do have an addictive personality somewhere in there, like genetically. So I try to stay away from it for sure.

Speaker 8 My mom drinks a pint of vodka to get out of bed in the morning.

Speaker 10 I think that's crazy.

Speaker 8 To think about someone functioning in that way. It just, I don't know, it scares me.
I don't feel like I have an addictive personality. Are any of your your siblings addicts?

Speaker 8 Like, do you see any of the your mom's alcoholism in your siblings at all?

Speaker 8 Or addictive personality, I'll say, instead of addiction?

Speaker 10 My brothers,

Speaker 10 no.

Speaker 10 My younger sister, I think, dabbled into some stuff or still does with her weird. She's really weird.
You would never guess she's my sister. Really? Yeah.

Speaker 8 Do y'all look alike?

Speaker 10 Kind of.

Speaker 8 Because your genes are strong, baby. Your daughter is your 20.

Speaker 10 No, both of my daughters. Both of them.

Speaker 8 That's crazy.

Speaker 8 I don't don't even know what to say because i feel like we could have a whole entire conversation surrounding drugs and alcohol on my adoptive side i had like a sibling that passed

Speaker 8 so you had it on your biological side and then also felt it on your adoptive side what is that like it was hard yeah

Speaker 8 yeah that's like were you close with her while she was yeah she was like my same age And y'all were adopted at this like no, she was their biological daughter.

Speaker 10 Oh, she, oh, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 8 So she was like your sister

Speaker 8 and struggled.

Speaker 10 That's so hard.

Speaker 8 Yeah, I can't imagine. We'll end it on a more positive note.

Speaker 8 Um, we did the 2010 trends, okay. Well, first, let's talk, let's go back to sweet 16s stuff.
We'll do sweet 16 stuff.

Speaker 8 If you could go back, what is the first thing you do with your car on your 16th birthday?

Speaker 8 Drive it or crash it?

Speaker 10 Oh my god.

Speaker 10 Drive it.

Speaker 8 Drive it. Yeah.
Worst birthday gift you could get.

Speaker 10 Socks because I've gotten them before.

Speaker 8 That's what I want though.

Speaker 10 Wow, I would love socks. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 16, you're like, I don't want socks.

Speaker 8 Most iconic sweet 16 party theme.

Speaker 10 Honestly, like thinking back from like the sweet 16ers, I remember the one that came out in like a Barbie. Was that Tiana? Yeah, Barbie.

Speaker 8 Tayana Taylor. Was that her?

Speaker 10 Wasn't it her?

Speaker 8 I don't know. I think so.

Speaker 10 Yeah, that was like Barbie. Yeah, that was cool.
Love.

Speaker 8 Cringe or cute. Parents dancing at your sweet 16.

Speaker 4 Cringe.

Speaker 8 Cringe. Even now, like, would you dance at your daughter's or your sons?

Speaker 10 Yeah, but I would be cringe.

Speaker 8 Um, you pull up to school on your birthday. What song is blasting? We're talking about 16-year-old Jasmine.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 probably Big Girls Don't Cry by was that

Speaker 10 was like my song.

Speaker 8 Dream celebrity guest at your sweet 16.

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 it

Speaker 10 I remember I was obsessed with Jessica Simpson back then. Oh, Rihanna.

Speaker 10 Rihanna.

Speaker 8 Rihanna. Yeah.

Speaker 8 What is more exciting? Driver's license or first kiss?

Speaker 10 Probably driver's license. First kisses are like awkward.
So awkward. Yeah.

Speaker 8 I made out at the movie theater.

Speaker 10 Yeah, like you want to forget that.

Speaker 8 All in town, and I wish I could forget it. Okay, better present.
$1,000 gift card or no curfew for a year.

Speaker 10 Gosh, that's a hard choice. Like I would, I'm back, I'm 16.

Speaker 8 I mean, mean, even if you were turning 16 today, which one would you want?

Speaker 10 Oh, my gosh. That's a really hard choice.

Speaker 10 I would say

Speaker 10 no curfew. No curfew.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Would you film a reality show today?

Speaker 10 Yeah.

Speaker 8 Who's not invited to your Sweet 16?

Speaker 10 Oh, my gosh. I feel like a mean girl again being asked this.
I remember the scene they had us like picking out pictures in the yearbook. It was so staged.

Speaker 10 That's so fucked up. Yeah, like she's coming.
She's cool. cool she's not um that's so

Speaker 10 wouldn't come i mean there's a couple like ex-friends that i've had to cross off okay

Speaker 8 names but yeah would you go all out for a sweet 16 today or would you keep it really chill i don't know because i loved my like i had so much fun so if i was turning 16 again i would probably do another big one i was traumatized for my 16th birthday so yeah um living vicariously through you

Speaker 8 if producers asked you back for a spin-off today would you do it for sure. Like, a where are they now? From,

Speaker 10 okay.

Speaker 10 I think they've done it with a couple of the girls. Oh, oh, okay.

Speaker 8 BBM or AIM. These are 2010 trends.
So.

Speaker 10 Wait, I don't know what those are.

Speaker 8 BBM is like Blackberry,

Speaker 10 mobile,

Speaker 8 Blackberry Messenger, and then like AIM, like AO, like Instant Messenger.

Speaker 10 Oh, AIM, for sure. For sure.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 You're away message. I got home from school.

Speaker 8 I mean, I didn't have a computer, but if I did.

Speaker 8 Yeah, what was your screen name?

Speaker 10 I think it was crazy beautiful. Like,

Speaker 10 and that's today, full circle moment. Since MySpace.

Speaker 8 I didn't have one. I didn't have a computer until I was 16 when AIM was out.
You know what I mean? Duck face selfies or peace sign pose?

Speaker 10 Peace sign.

Speaker 8 I'm doing both.

Speaker 10 Okay. Yep.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 Toxic. Wait.
Did you ever do

Speaker 8 toxic Facebook statuses or MySpace updates? Oh, yeah. Like super toxic to get someone's attention.
Yeah. Do you still do them today?

Speaker 10 No, I've stopped doing that because I feel like you're like, first of all, people love to see it. Yeah, they do.
Yeah. They do.

Speaker 10 I just stopped doing it a few years ago.

Speaker 8 Most used app in 2010. I feel like Facebook and Instagram were like the big ones.

Speaker 10 I think Facebook just came out and I felt like older going into Facebook. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Because I think at first it was for college kids. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Favorite reality show back then?

Speaker 10 Um,

Speaker 10 probably

Speaker 10 Jersey Shore and Teen Mom.

Speaker 8 Really? Yeah. I I was watching Laguna Beach and the Hills.

Speaker 10 Oh, yes, for sure.

Speaker 8 And then what was, didn't Ryan Sheckler have one at one time? I was a big Ryan Sheckler fan. Didn't have a crush on him, but I like,

Speaker 8 I was a little not girly back then. So I was like, oh, this is so freaking cool.

Speaker 10 Yeah. No, I was a big Laguna Hill or Laguna Beach and Hills.

Speaker 8 What 2010 fashion trend would you bring back?

Speaker 10 The gauchos.

Speaker 8 We should bring those back.

Speaker 10 Yeah, we should.

Speaker 10 They don't make up.

Speaker 8 I'll order them. I'll find them.

Speaker 10 The flare at the knee.

Speaker 8 And like, actually, Bermuda shorts. Did you know jorts are coming back? Like the ones that like men would wear? They're coming back, but for women.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 10 I think my daughter has a pair.

Speaker 8 Oh, I was not on board with that. Your daughter had

Speaker 8 loves the jorts. No, I'm not into it.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 And it has to be like two sizes too big.

Speaker 8 Do you remember when we used to wear like 12 camis on top of each other and then like the big chunky necklaces?

Speaker 10 I didn't tell me anything. I didn't do those outfits in my show.

Speaker 8 iPod touch or Sidekick?

Speaker 10 iPod

Speaker 10 Touch. I don't think I was ever into the side.
They were like too big.

Speaker 8 No, I was a sidekick girly. Yeah.

Speaker 8 Text me after nine energy or unlimited everything.

Speaker 10 I think I had unlimited everything at that point, honestly. I never had the after nine problem.

Speaker 8 Best makeup product during that time, and I'm going to name something right now. Dream Matte Moose came out in 2000, around 2010.
Okay. Do you remember? It was like this little jar? It was like glass.

Speaker 8 I do. That was the first matte makeup.

Speaker 10 And we were just talking about that.

Speaker 8 I do remember that. I couldn't afford it, but I always used my best friends.
Yeah. I remember those days.
Okay. More dramatic 2010 breakups or today breakups?

Speaker 10 Oh, 2010 for sure.

Speaker 8 Do you remember like T9 texting and it's like, why are you breaking up with me on T9? Yeah.

Speaker 10 It was called the end of the world. Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 8 Last thing that you'd say to your 2010 self, how old were you in 2010? You're through two years older than me?

Speaker 10 I would have been probably 21

Speaker 10 2010.

Speaker 8 I graduated

Speaker 8 in 2011.

Speaker 10 So my short.

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, so I was 18 in 2010?

Speaker 10 I don't know. Probably that I'm going to get everything I like wished for.
Like, I always wanted like a family. And like, so I have everything like now that I've wished for at that time.

Speaker 8 And what do you wish that people

Speaker 8 knew about you?

Speaker 10 Yeah, I feel like a lot of people thought I was like ungrateful and I was just a brat. And they filmed over 120 hours and they squeeze it into 22 minutes.

Speaker 10 So people think they know me from 22 minutes, like no. And then they still think they know me like 20 years later based off those 22 minutes.

Speaker 8 Where can people follow you on social media?

Speaker 10 Crazy beautiful on like all platforms.

Speaker 8 Kyrian, thank you for coming on Barely Famous.

Speaker 10 Thank you for having me. It was fun.

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