Grief, Grit & Game: Jemmye Carroll Tells All

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Speaker 5 Welcome to the shit show. Things are going to get weird.

Speaker 5 It's your favede villain, Kale Wow.

Speaker 5 And you're listening to Barely Famous.

Speaker 5 Happy Friday, fuckers. Welcome back to Barely Famous podcast.
I'm sitting with Jemmy, and this is a long time in the making. Here.
Welcome to Barely Famous. Thank you.
I'm so happy to have you.

Speaker 5 So you've been on TV for over a decade. You started on Real World.

Speaker 2 Yep. Back to New Orleans.

Speaker 5 You're from New Orleans?

Speaker 2 Grew up in North Mississippi, so it wasn't wasn't far.

Speaker 5 And do you feel like being on TV for as long as you have, because we were on TV for roughly the same amount of time, has shaped you into who you are today?

Speaker 2 Absolutely. It literally, I was just talking about this the other day on TikTok.
Like

Speaker 2 when Nike passed, who was on the real world with me, that his passing changed my trajectory online because of what I experienced so early and so soon at 22 years old and now sitting here at 37 decisions then have shaped my life up until now.

Speaker 5 How did you get on the real world?

Speaker 2 Me and my college girlfriends were just sitting at our apartment and this was like back in the day, like 2009. So a little thing flashed under the TV, like casting calls.

Speaker 2 And they're like, bitch, we're taking you. And I said, okay, let's go.

Speaker 5 Well, did you have to do an interview?

Speaker 2 So we drove from Startville, Mississippi to Memphis, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 in the middle of the night because we wanted to be the first people there.

Speaker 2 And that was like a group interview. And I was like, this shit is whack.

Speaker 2 Like the first thing they asked you is like describe yourself in one word what did you say oh everyone was going around one girl was like fierce another girl was like bossy and one guy's like party and I'm like this is lame I like got up to leave and the casting director was like no no stay and I was like babe Tim Peebo's playing in Mississippi State like I got to be back for the football game and they like dragged me and then they gave you like a huge thing of paperwork and I'm like I'm not doing that on a Saturday so one of my girlfriends came in filled it out for me like my friends literally made it it happen for me.

Speaker 5 Yes, but did they also want to be on the show?

Speaker 2 No, no, they were like this is cool.

Speaker 5 Girl, yeah, and so you ended up doing it. You got castles.
And then what? You just got picked to live in a house with seven strangers.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 5 And what was that like? I couldn't imagine walking into a house full of seven adults and having to get along with all of them.

Speaker 2 And this was like, I was freshly 21, like a hearty girl. Like I knew walking in there that I was going to embarrass the shit out of my family.
Did you? But I didn't care. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2 But I didn't care.

Speaker 2 And that's what made like OG OG Real World so authentic is they literally found people It's like I don't care what my mother sees or what my dad sees like I'm gonna go live my authentic life Were they gonna watch it?

Speaker 2 Did they tell you my dad never did thank God?

Speaker 2 Yes, wait

Speaker 2 remind me who all was in your cast so I had my then boyfriend who I met on the show Ryan Knight who passed.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I knew that.

Speaker 2 And then we had Preston. We had Ryan Leslie Mackenzie Sarton.
No offense, no shade, no T. Like none of them were actually like ever casting the challenge.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah.

Speaker 5 wait, jumping ahead, how do they cast for the challenge? And why didn't they ever invite teen mom cast members on the challenge? Because we would have whooped ass.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's so funny. Like, looking at when they decided to change the whole trajectory of the challenge, like, if y'all, if they were casting then, it would have been so good.

Speaker 2 Like, you would have killed the challenge, girl. Like, you and like

Speaker 2 wrestling?

Speaker 2 I used to do CrossFit. I could have no, you would have, yeah, like, I would not want to go against it.

Speaker 5 Maybe not now.

Speaker 2 So, back then, they just essentially casted, like, who's the entertaining people from

Speaker 2 the current real worlds and real worlds. And you have to fit into the theme.

Speaker 2 If it's exes, if it's rivals, if it's battle of the seasons. So you have to fit into whatever theme that is.

Speaker 2 But then in obviously, I think it was like 2017, Vendettas was the first time they kind of crossed.

Speaker 2 They brought some Big Brother people in, they brought some X on the Beach UK people in, and the challenge hasn't been the same since.

Speaker 5 Do you wish that it would go back to the way it was, or do you like the mix up?

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I think we lost a lot of it then, but also things have to change. I just wish that they had brought in other MTV people first.
And actually, it was, are you the one people on Exis 2?

Speaker 2 So they did technically bring in MTV people, but like imagine like Teen Mom and Jersey Shore on the challenge in 2014. Oh, at the peak of our shows?

Speaker 2 You and the situation in the challenge house. Like that would have been like.
a wet dream for MTV.

Speaker 5 Not the wet dream. I was just talking about wet dreams last night.
Have you ever had one?

Speaker 2 Duh. Oh, I've had them.

Speaker 2 Have you had more wet dreams about girls or guys? Women. It's always women.
Always. Always.
Always. Step up your game, men.

Speaker 5 What version of yourself do you think you'd be living right now if it wasn't for the challenge? Would you still be the same, Jebby?

Speaker 2 Oh, I was going to go to law school. I had interned in D.C.
the summer before I got cast, and they were filming Real World DC. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I'd walk by the house every day, and they would, I was like, these people look like losers. Like, I'd be so much cooler on this show.
So I'm like interning in D.C.

Speaker 2 on the like right life path of law school and working in politics.

Speaker 5 And then it all like went to change.

Speaker 2 And thank God, because like now looking at where it's like actually better to be on reality TV right now than living in DC.

Speaker 5 My, we, Alessandra and I went to dinner with my attorney not that long ago.

Speaker 2 Which one? I know you have like plenty.

Speaker 5 My entertainment attorney.

Speaker 5 And she looked at me and she said, Cale, you make more money than I do. Why do you want to be an attorney?

Speaker 2 You know who actually told me to go in the real world and not law school? Who?

Speaker 2 My professor, who had given up being a lawyer to be a professor i went to him and i was like yo i got cast on the real world but you know like i'm supposed to take the lsat next week like it's all planned and he was like go on the show you can always tell yeah

Speaker 5 go on the show no 100 and you could be a lawyer now if you wanted to i don't but how do you how do you live a real like a regular life because you're not always filming the challenge and you might not be casted so if you don't fit into the theme of the challenge do you go get a regular job thank god i actually have a college education unlike a lot of those of the kids they like went on the show didn't didn't finish.

Speaker 2 My mom was like, You're getting your education. Yeah.
So I work for like startup tech companies. I do a lot of like healthcare consulting on the side.

Speaker 2 So yeah, like people don't realize, like, people to this day, like, probably five minutes ago, someone told me, like, get a job. And I'm like, I have a job.
I just don't tell you about it.

Speaker 5 No, that is, I think about like the way that we filmed Teen Mom, it was like two seasons a year. But like, what about the off time?

Speaker 2 Yeah, and like, you could go years without doing challenge. Well, that's what I was saying.
Yeah, like, and no shade, no tea. Y'all took all the money.
Sorry. We got paid.
We get paid nothing.

Speaker 2 But no season.

Speaker 5 Wait, can I ask how much y'all would make for a season?

Speaker 2 Say essentially

Speaker 2 it's like your 10th season, you're probably bringing home like 90 to 100,000. Like, that's not a lot, though.
If you think about it, you bring home $90,000, and then you don't do a show for two years.

Speaker 2 No, exactly. It's not consistent money.
And then also, like, Uncle Sam still comes and takes it. No, people always think because we film out of the country, we don't pay taxes.
Wait, what?

Speaker 2 Is that a thing? Yeah, people are like, you filmed in Turkey. You don't have to pay taxes on your money.
I'm like, yeah, we do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 I always think about where I would be if it wasn't for team.

Speaker 5 Like, I was able to get my degree with the money, but like, I really think about how out of touch I am because that's what like propelled me.

Speaker 2 See, I think it's so different than like, cause I can go live my real life for a year or two, disappear, disappear for longer that, then come back on the challenge.

Speaker 5 How long would Phil?

Speaker 2 You have literally been living this life since Isaac was in your stomach. That's like wild to me.
Yeah. Like, you never got time off, a day off, a break.

Speaker 2 You can, we can walk away from the challenge and be done. You can't walk away from a show like yours and be done

Speaker 2 because you're still, you're still so recognizable. It is so, it's totally different.
And like really, people, do people recognize you? Yes, they do.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's so different because they don't have that spotlight into my life like you have.

Speaker 5 But you don't have to talk about your personal problem.

Speaker 2 Exactly. And I don't because of everything that happened with night passing after the real world.
Like I can always say, I could have three kids and be married and you fuckers would never know.

Speaker 2 And I could.

Speaker 2 Although I did see reports about Robin, who I always loved, I saw like they did like a where is she now kind of deal like that stuff is sad yeah but it's always like it's not about the good side she's doing better now good are you friends with her I've never met her I've never done a show with her but she was like one of my first like real world obsessions because I'm on the show because I'm obsessed with the girls that paved the way yeah yeah yeah um she's doing better now but like this can ruin your life Reality TV in general, I think is a mental illness.

Speaker 5 And I think that and I'm mentally ill.

Speaker 2 But I also think that you're such a testament of like getting out at the right time so it doesn't destroy you and pivoting.

Speaker 5 You don't think it destroyed me a little bit?

Speaker 2 I think from the outside looking in, not as much as other people, but only you can answer that question.

Speaker 5 I always wonder for people like that are on the challenge or just reality TV in general, what is their plan? What is the exit strategy for when they leave?

Speaker 5 Because I look at some of the cast members that I've filmed with and I'm like, what is your plan when this ends? Because it does end and it will end. So what is the plan? You don't have a degree.

Speaker 5 Y'all don't have investments. Y'all don't have a financial advisor.
What are y'all doing?

Speaker 2 Well, that's the thing. They purposely cast majority of people that don't think that long ahead.
So they purposely know we're going to keep them in this little web.

Speaker 2 And even though you haven't done a challenge in two years and, you know, you're like working at Buffalo Wild Wings, like, we know that we can get you back like this.

Speaker 2 Like, the whole casting of the challenge is like, needs to be studied from a psychological aspect. Yeah.
Cause they know how to keep people reeled in.

Speaker 5 Well, because Johnny Bananas has been doing it for.

Speaker 2 Yeah. A lifetime.

Speaker 5 And what about what was Mark?

Speaker 2 Mark Long, yeah. He's like the reason there's all-stars.
He's the one that like really, really pushed for the all-star seasons.

Speaker 2 Like, so he had a little bit of business sense of like, there's more to this.

Speaker 5 Like long jeff.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And let's pull from like those cast members that people miss, but are like no longer existing in the challenge casting world.

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Speaker 5 How long would it take to film a season like in Turkey or wherever you guys would film at?

Speaker 2 Okay, like regular seasons now take like three months, two to three months. You can film an all-star season in like six weeks.

Speaker 5 And then you could go back home and live your regular life. Get it.

Speaker 2 And again, like you could be going through a divorce. You could be going through like a child custody.
You could be going through like a death of a parent.

Speaker 2 You don't have to, you can go in that challenge house and none of that matters. Where like when you're filming things, you cannot escape your real life.

Speaker 2 So it's two different type of just realities.

Speaker 5 I don't know if I would have, I don't, maybe I would have done better on a show like yours.

Speaker 2 You get to portray yourself how you want to be portrayed, I guess.

Speaker 5 Do you like your edit? Do you feel like you were ever pigeonholed?

Speaker 2 I always say, and it's, you might disagree with me. You can't really get a bad edit on the challenge.
Like you only give them this much, this much. That's what they have to work with.

Speaker 2 Yours is different. They can chop and cut more.
But on the challenge, at the end of the day, if you're being a bitch, you're a bitch. Like, there's been times like, yes, I was an asshole.

Speaker 2 They didn't edit me to look like an asshole. I acted like an asshole.

Speaker 5 Fair. Where like mine can be taken out of context.
I've had wild lines.

Speaker 5 I don't know if you guys have this when you guys film, but like I've, I've said something like I could say, you look like shit in this conversation with this person.

Speaker 5 And they'll take that wild line and they'll put it in this conversation with this person. And they just will show like your face, but it will look like the sound is coming to you.

Speaker 5 And I've had them do that to me.

Speaker 2 And I think that's easier to do when you're filming with a couple people like y'all film when you said we're filming with like 30 people.

Speaker 5 So interesting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's, it's two totally different dynamics. Like, I would love for you to actually go on a challenge to see how different it is from the world that you essentially grew up in.

Speaker 5 Somebody call Ben and Larry. Somebody, what's something people always think they know about you, but is totally incorrect?

Speaker 2 People just think, because again, when I'm filming a challenge, I'm a guarded person. I'm there.
It's a competition show. I am not the strongest.
I know I have to play a political smart game.

Speaker 2 People just think I'm like the biggest bitch in the world. They think I'm like a mean girl and I'm a bitch.
I'm like, I'm actually the nicest person you'll ever meet. Everybody to meet you.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 Everybody

Speaker 2 i know some people they probably think i'm mean but no like i'm just really like not as like aggressive i guess as people think i am do you ever um like train before a challenge or do you get the call like pretty soon before you have to leave back in the day it was all fun and games now like when i would go on all-stars i would train a little bit but i also was like i'm a very realistic person i never thought i was gonna go on the challenge and win unless i had like an insane partner like i'm showing up for the for the money and for and to act to give y'all some commentary like i'm not here to win we should host the next bma's Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 You'd be so fun. Was there a moment that you took a hiatus and you didn't want to, like you were casted and didn't want to do it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, after Night passed, we had just filmed Battle of the Exes 2 in August. And then DM and Knight both passed in November.

Speaker 5 They passed in the same month?

Speaker 2 They passed. Okay, weird.
Their birthdays are two weeks apart in June, and then they passed two weeks apart in November. Yeah.
And a weird thing, again, it was Battle of the Exes 2.

Speaker 2 So you're partnered with your ex.

Speaker 2 So obviously i was with night dm was with ct everyone had like colorful bright uniforms and different color uniforms they both were in black and we both were in black like there's so much like weird shit that like leading up it's like looking back on someone's death it's like god there's always signs that's so weird yeah so after battle of the exes

Speaker 2 um and he passed i took three years off

Speaker 5 And did they, but they tried to get you?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they tried to get multiple times and I just wasn't ready. And I came back when I was ready.

Speaker 5 Because you did the whole experience with him?

Speaker 2 And it was just, yeah, it felt weird.

Speaker 2 Like, even though him and I had not been together for years and like, we were never going to get back together if he lived, even though some people like to tell me we would.

Speaker 2 It was just like a weird, like, that was always our thing. And it just always, it didn't feel right for time.

Speaker 5 Yeah. Well, I think grief is weird too.
And like, you never know how it's going to affect you. And just because you guys weren't together at that time doesn't mean that.

Speaker 2 No, if he was still alive, we would be great friends. Yeah.
Yeah. He would still be doing the show.

Speaker 2 Like, so I just needed time because I think if I had went back too too soon, that's when reality TV could have ruined me.

Speaker 5 No, I agree with that. Is there, but are you thankful that you have like the footage of you and him?

Speaker 2 And yeah, I don't watch it a lot. It's hard to watch.
I've watched it here and there, but I know it exists. And I know that, like, more importantly, it exists for people that need it.

Speaker 2 Because there's like, I, you know, you know, you always get the you, you doing this saved me or helped me. And you're like, that was just a small slipping.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that I didn't even realize that anything was happening.

Speaker 5 Right, right. Oh, my gosh.
Well, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 I know it was a long time, but coming up on 10 years.

Speaker 5 How do you protect your peace now?

Speaker 2 That's okay. So after he passed in 2014

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 I made a vow. At some point within probably six months of him passing, I told myself, I will never share a personal relationship online ever again.
Why?

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 with him passing, like, I'm grieving and people on the internet telling me, I'm so sorry you lost your soulmate. No one's ever going to love you again.
I was just like, hello.

Speaker 2 We were broken up for years. Like, he was an important part of my life, but he wasn't my soulmate.
And people, you know, to this day, people are like, you know, that was your person.

Speaker 2 I'm so sorry that happened. I'm like, it's been 11 years.
So, yeah, so just from that moment, I don't know when something just clicked in my head.

Speaker 2 And I was like, moving forward, I will never share my personal life online. And that's a promise I've kept to myself.

Speaker 5 I struggle with that. I go back and forth.
Like, after

Speaker 5 having relationships play out on TV, like, what is, where's the line that you draw between like showing your authentic self and including your relationship?

Speaker 5 Because I think so often it was like Kale and Joe, Kale and Elijah, Kale and Kale and Elijah. It was never just Kale.
You've talked about dating and red flags online.

Speaker 5 What's a green flag that you overlooked when you were younger that you pay more attention to now?

Speaker 2 Actually not enjoying social media, no social media presence, not understanding like themes. Like, yes, like you, like, men don't need to be on social media.

Speaker 2 We're not going to send you to war, but we're going to send you back to work. Okay, fair yeah okay i would just say this like one thing that has always

Speaker 2 from your perspective the amount of people that you put on

Speaker 2 the amount of people that have made money off of you that's another reason i could never do it because if you make a dollar off of me you put them on yeah like i just am not that type of person where i'm gonna put you on and then y'all are gonna come on some disrespectful well i think it's like when you put someone on and then they turn around and use it against you yeah yeah see that would fucking then i'd be the demon that people think i am

Speaker 2 So I've always just purposely like, but also I'm so lucky. The people in my life don't want to be a part, like, like my mom has never, like, my mom, my best friends,

Speaker 2 my people don't care about this shit.

Speaker 5 But what's so interesting that you say that and the people that I like.

Speaker 5 my genuine people, Kristen, Alessandra, like they don't ask me to, they don't want, they don't care to be a part of it.

Speaker 2 They enjoy being behind the scenes and letting you do it.

Speaker 5 Like, if they're on it, great. Like, that's fine.
But, like, they don't ask me for anything.

Speaker 5 And then I see like the people that want to make it like their full-time thing and then they turn around and use it against me or something like you're using my following that i gave you against me yeah i that that would make me like i'd be on episode of snapped oh

Speaker 5 yeah like the way that you've navigated the waters of these thirsty ass not even just men the women attack and that that's where it really gets fucking complicated yeah no i agree but do you feel like especially on the challenge or real world road rules any of that that women are held to a different standard than men like do you think that men get way better edits and they can get away with so much more?

Speaker 2 Yeah, if a man does something bad, it is, oh my god, this is good, this is so good. Like, that's what men do.
You know, we've been like the

Speaker 2 things that women have been through on this show where, like, for example, on Vendetta's 2017, one of my worst challenge moments, I did throw a bitch suitcase off a balcony.

Speaker 5 Wait, is that controversial?

Speaker 2 That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 Didn't Morgan Wallen throw something off a balcony? Thank you. Did you go to jail?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I did not go to jail. I kind of went to, we'll talk.
Okay, so we were, were we in Spain? And I threw a suitcase off the balcony. Drunk, stupid moment.

Speaker 2 But first of all, the challenge has been built off of moments like that. Right.
So they immediately, like, you're going to a hotel, you're going to be fined.

Speaker 2 I'm like, first of all, if you're going to take money out of my pocket, you're not airing this shit. And I'm not going to a hotel.

Speaker 2 So like, and like moments like that, women are always punished. Right.
Where then if I'm, if Johnny Bonanas had thrown a suitcase, it would have been easy. Yeah, and also this is girl-on-girl crime.

Speaker 5 Do you want it along with Johnny Bonanas?

Speaker 2 I like Johnny, but I also will call Johnny out on his shit. But honestly, fuck him because he just recently got one of my TikToks removed when I didn't say anything wrong.

Speaker 5 He got it. How do you know it was him?

Speaker 2 Because I know his team.

Speaker 5 Yeah. He has a team?

Speaker 2 Yeah, he has a team. Like, it was one of his.

Speaker 5 What is he even up? I don't even know what he's up to. I don't know what he's doing.

Speaker 2 Still doing the challenges, did Traders. He's very good at, he was on that show, Pop the Balloon.

Speaker 2 It's a Netflix show. Okay.
And he was disrespectful to a woman, spoiler alert. And it was a black woman, another spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 I simply made a video, just chronologically in order of things he had done on reality TV like this to women. Still use the word allegedly because the bitch did almost go to law school.

Speaker 2 And he got that video snatched right up offline.

Speaker 5 So, yeah. Did you save it? Could you repost it?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I could. And I could also post it on like Instagram.

Speaker 5 I'm not saying you should.

Speaker 2 It was just saying.

Speaker 2 So, again, just,

Speaker 2 and when I tell you, like, MTV has protected this man, when his sex tape came out, he has a sex tape. He does.
With who? It's not that, it's not a.

Speaker 5 You watched it?

Speaker 2 Duh. So this was like years ago.
I made one little tweet about a sex tape and all you have one Do I have one?

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, I mean a personal one yes one that's gonna leak no unless you take my phone away from me No, I made one little tweet about his sex tape and when I tell you the highest people up NTV were calling me within like 10 minutes begging me to take that tweet down like they protect him Did they did the executives ever get involved in any of that stuff?

Speaker 5 Because they didn't really get involved in anything.

Speaker 2 You protect Johnny? People like why though?

Speaker 2 Girl, you figure that out. You let me know.

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Speaker 5 So this beef is not a secret.

Speaker 2 No, and it's not a me and Johnny beef. It is women of the challenge versus men of the challenge.

Speaker 5 And but men of the challenge don't feel this way.

Speaker 2 They think that we're being dramatic. We're just angry hens.

Speaker 2 And that was not a co-document with myself. That's what they would literally call us.
Like, you're just an angry hen.

Speaker 2 No, I just don't want to be treated like a villain when you're like elevated for the same shit.

Speaker 5 So you were talking about the international people on the challenge.

Speaker 5 Do you love that or hate that?

Speaker 2 I get that you got to keep things fresh. I just don't think they went about it the right way.

Speaker 5 Well, I feel like with all the nostalgia stuff coming back with like we're rebooting things, we're doing like just bringing back old shows.

Speaker 5 I feel like it would make more sense to bring back the nostalgia, the nostalgic people from other reality shows on MTV or VH, even VH1. Yeah.
Love and hip-hop, which all used to be under one company.

Speaker 2 Oh, God, I love Love and Hip Hop. I'm such a VH1 girl, like love of money people.
Like, I just think there were so many people they could have pulled from, like you said, to make it like

Speaker 2 really people drawn them in. Like, I don't know this random guy from Sweden that was on like America, like, Sweden has talent.
Like, I'm sorry, I don't know him.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and people love a good crossover. So I feel like it would be good to see other MTV family members like casting.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I, again, go back a couple years, put a teen mom girly and a Jersey shore guy on the challenge, MTV would have exploded.

Speaker 5 Who's your dream challenge partner?

Speaker 2 Do you have one? Yes, and it's very controversial because I actually don't love him as a human. And like him and I, he said some like bad things to me before, but Jordan.

Speaker 5 Who the fuck is that?

Speaker 2 He's, he's, people that watch the challenge know who Jordan is, and he's a piece of shit.

Speaker 5 Let me see him. Google him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was like, I was like, Jordan. No, like, he's a piece of shit.

Speaker 5 I don't think I like him.

Speaker 2 Like, that man, oh, I don't like him either. But if I'm trying to finally win, if I was going to go back, like him, because he will, he will, you will win with Jordan.

Speaker 5 Not CT or no, Jordan.

Speaker 2 Jordan's, in my opinion, the best guy to ever play the challenge.

Speaker 2 I remember old school. Yeah.
And also, you got to remember the old school people are now old. I mean, Jordan's like my age, so he's not no young bug.
How old are you? 37. You got to think about that.

Speaker 2 I feel like I'm 30. Am I like, no, I think I'm 36.
Wait, how old am I? Age doesn't matter to me. I was born in 88.
I'm 36. I'll be 37.
Okay. Yeah.
I don't think about age.

Speaker 2 I guess like it doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 5 If you ask my kids, they'll say 29.4.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I'll be 29.3.
Period.

Speaker 5 Because I'm not, I can't, yeah. I can't do this age thing anymore.

Speaker 2 It's also irrelevant. Like we look better now than we did in the beginning, girl.
I'll get court until the day I died.

Speaker 2 Until the day I did. I'm going to die of some chemicals.
Might as well be the ones that make me look decent.

Speaker 5 So are you, are they casting for, are they doing the challenge?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they're still doing it. I haven't done one since 2021.
Why? Um, great question. Um, so we were filming All-Stars 3 in Panama 2021.

Speaker 2 Ironically, Panama is where we filmed Battle of the Exes 2, where DM got sick and the last challenge night did. So, we went back to Panama.
I was like, something bad is going to happen here.

Speaker 5 And you just decided not to go?

Speaker 2 Oh, I went. And then we were like four challenges in, so like two weeks in.
And my mom called me. She's like, Your dad's super sick.
You need to come home. So you left? I left.

Speaker 2 So, but the the process of them getting me home like it took my mom and my best friend like over 24 hours to get in contact with production to bring me home do you not have phones for three months oh baby girl you get one 10 minute phone call a week i filmed marriage boot camp in i remember that

Speaker 5 what year was that 2016

Speaker 5 2016 i feel filmed marriage boot camp and they took my phone and you could only have it at like 11 p.m oh no no you don't have phones for months like the whole time you're filming.

Speaker 2 You get one 10-minute phone call and it's over there, like on their phone. So they're listening to everything.
Oh. Yeah.
So it took them like day, like took them like 24 hours.

Speaker 2 And then they tell me my dad's sick and I need to leave. And then they put me in a hotel for like 12 hours because I had to film my exit interviews.
And like, I don't have my passport.

Speaker 2 It's not like I can just hop up to the airport and get my own flight. They have all my stuff.
And I love my father. May he rest in peace.

Speaker 2 But if that had been my mother that was sick and I couldn't get home to her, I would have blown that place the fuck up. So now just there's, I think there's too much PTSD to go back.

Speaker 2 You wouldn't go back at all? I, no. Ever?

Speaker 5 No. Well, I don't think I could watch a challenge if you weren't on it.

Speaker 2 I would not go back. No.

Speaker 5 No. Because of that, or just like a slew of things?

Speaker 2 I also like, you get older, like, it's a slew of things, but that was the, this is the final

Speaker 2 nail in that coffin.

Speaker 5 Yeah. But would you film another reality show?

Speaker 2 Yes, I'm totally like, like. What show? So I'm like,

Speaker 2 I'm really good friends. Oh my God, Traders.
I would fucking die to send Traders. No.

Speaker 5 Big Brother, celebrity singers.

Speaker 2 Yes, Big Brother, Traders. Like, I'm really good friends with Trishelle from Real World.
Oh, I forgot about her. How she did.
She lived in New Orleans.

Speaker 5 Oh, good.

Speaker 2 Like, and she's really good friends with the cast that was real Southern Charm. Okay.
New Orleans and Bravo. So I think like a Bravo show.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Like if Trashelle ever got cast in like Southern Charm, if they rebooted it or like a Housewives of New Orleans, like I would be like the perfect friend of, like, come in, cut the bitch out, and leave.

Speaker 2 But you still don't get to fully see into my life. Yeah, okay, but Traders is the dream show, but I always like think like it real world was just meant to be my show.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there's so much other things that I would have done. Like, Big Brother would have been better, but like, I was just meant to be a real, like, I was what a real world girl was back in the day.

Speaker 2 Just no fucks giving, get me out of the small town.

Speaker 5 Who are your favorite people from the real world and the challenge?

Speaker 2 Veronica, she paved the way, but like, real world, like Coral from back in the day. I loved Coral, Rachel, yes, girl crush, yeah, Rachel's a bad bitch.
Um, Coral.

Speaker 2 And then, like, honestly, I saw Trishelle on Real World Las Vegas with her, like, annoying-ass southern accent.

Speaker 5 She was with Robin.

Speaker 2 No, she was Vegas. Robin was San Diego.
Okay. But I remember watching Trishelle.
I'm like, damn, if that girl can be on TV, I can be on TV. Her season aired in 2002.
Mine aired in 2010.

Speaker 2 So now we're like real life best friends because we both live in New Orleans. And I'm like, every day, I'm like, I literally got on the show because I watched her on the show.

Speaker 2 So the women really paved the way for me.

Speaker 5 No, for sure. And Anissa.

Speaker 2 Anissa.

Speaker 5 Have you seen any of these people lately?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I'm still like good friends with like, obviously Trishelle, still friends with Anissa, Veronica, Marie from St. Thomas season.

Speaker 5 Have you run into Gypsy Rose since you've been...

Speaker 2 Oh, bro, I've been looking for that bitch.

Speaker 5 I should have hit you up while I was there. Alessandra and I were.

Speaker 2 You were there for like a day around Super Bowl, right? It was quick.

Speaker 2 No, yes.

Speaker 2 No, I'm always like.

Speaker 5 I mean, I'm sure if you hit her up, she would.

Speaker 2 Oh, she put her on your podcast. I don't want to sit her on the couch and just like puff love her.

Speaker 5 She was nice. I wouldn't, she was really nice.

Speaker 2 She was nice. Would you like to have a drink with her?

Speaker 5 She old enough? She was pregnant.

Speaker 2 Well, probably shouldn't drink with her then.

Speaker 5 Yeah, and I also don't drink, but I was sitting. I mean, she, you wouldn't know she.

Speaker 2 She, she's just a circumstance of her situation. I was so happy when she got free, but I promise you, I knew exactly what would happen.
Okay, I knew she would get pregnant.

Speaker 5 How do you feel about the Menendez brothers then?

Speaker 2 I want them out too. Okay, me too.
I am, I am, you, you do not get to

Speaker 2 literally, like, in whatever way it is, abuse your child and i'm not going to be on your side these kids did not be asked to be brought into this world no no i free them like free free all of these children who literally are just in prison because of their parents yeah i always wonder how people think that gypsies should be free but the menendez brothers shouldn't thank you i get in that argument all the time i get in that argument all the time especially because people testified to like on the menendez brothers behalf Their abuse was real.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And it's just, it's just gypsies.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's just also how women and men respond differently to abuse she responded in a way a woman would respond they would respond in a way a man would respond right neither's wrong in that situation they're children yeah no i agree with you um what do you think your edit is on tv and in social media now i think it's always just kind of like the bitchy like and i do talk a lot i don't i've never seen yeah like yeah like people just people do think i mean i guess i and that that's not everyone people some people like obviously think i'm funny but it's again the girls sometimes get a little bit of a harsh edit compared to the guys yeah and i don't even mean a harsh edit from production i mean a harsh edit from the fans.

Speaker 2 But if you watch any reality show, if anyone here watches The Valley, you can see how just

Speaker 2 it's so crazy to me how it's a, it's a spin-off of Vanderpump Rules. Oh, oh, oh, okay.
But you don't watch it.

Speaker 5 No, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I just, oh my God, I would just love to be in your little bubble.

Speaker 5 I don't have a bubble.

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Speaker 5 so what's that like what is no truly what is it like to have a child-free life like what is that like it is like what I was meant to do. Yeah.
Yeah. Like you're the rich auntie.

Speaker 2 You're the fun auntie.

Speaker 2 yeah, and like I love children and I like, I want kids in any space that I'm in, like, I want children to be there, but you don't want that, I just don't want the full-time responsibility.

Speaker 5 Do you get a lot of shit for that?

Speaker 2 It's people always say it's selfish, I think it's

Speaker 5 selfish.

Speaker 5 I have seven kids, and I understand why people choose to be childless, and I get it. And I truly think if I didn't have Isaac, I would be childless.

Speaker 5 I only had more because I had one, and I hated being an only child.

Speaker 2 I'm an only child, too.

Speaker 5 Oh, interesting. I hated being an only child.
You liked it.

Speaker 2 We had different only child experiences. Right.

Speaker 2 Like, my mother is the, like, the ideal mother. Yeah.
And that's how you know you're a good mom because my mom likes you because she'll come for some of the teen mom girlies.

Speaker 2 But I just had like an ideal mother that I never felt like I was missing out. But I think if I had been in your situation and had one child, I would have felt the same way.

Speaker 2 And fuck, if you have one, might as well have some more.

Speaker 5 I think going.

Speaker 2 And you took it to the extreme.

Speaker 2 I'm shocked you got a girl. I never thought you were going to get a girl.
In my mind, you were never having a girl.

Speaker 5 Well, so the test, what was it? The nip test or whatever said I was having two boys.

Speaker 2 The universe just came to me.

Speaker 5 So I was in Nashville.

Speaker 2 You got a fucking girl.

Speaker 5 I was in Nashville and I got the results and it was like, boy. And I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me.

Speaker 5 And then they've told me, like, depending on your pH in your body, like, you can reject certain gender. Like, it can, like, because I guess which one's stronger? Do you remember?

Speaker 5 Girl swimmers or boy swimmers?

Speaker 2 Girls.

Speaker 5 And like, the acidity in your body can like reject, like, kill off one or the other. That's why, because it's the male that determines it.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but it's also, yeah, I did not know any of this.

Speaker 5 And I only got a girl that came with a boy.

Speaker 2 I, yeah, I remember when find when finding out you had a girl, I like didn't believe it at first.

Speaker 5 Well, here we are. I know.
And she's sassy. She's a sassy girl.
Okay, if MTV had hunger games for reality stars, who would win and why?

Speaker 2 Ooh.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 honestly, I have to almost go. Like,

Speaker 2 can I do like a teen mom before y'all got money?

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I think a teen mom before money or a Jersey Shore kid before money

Speaker 5 anything before I had money, I would win. Yeah, because it was purely out of state.

Speaker 2 That's why you should have been put on like seat, like after like one season of teen mom or right after you're 16 and pregnant.

Speaker 2 That's when you would have killed the challenge because you would have been like ready to marry a bitch for $50,000. $1,000.
Yes. $1,000.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I think you're like a Jersey Shore teen mom pre-money.

Speaker 5 Have you ever met any of the Jersey Shore casters?

Speaker 2 Yeah, Yeah, I've done like after shows with Vinny. I think I've met all of them at this point.

Speaker 5 Have you been to any of his stand-up shows?

Speaker 2 He does comedy now. Yeah, I'm aware of that.
And you know what? Thank God for his platform.

Speaker 5 Is he not good?

Speaker 2 Has anyone ever heard Vinny tell a joke on Jersey Shore? Like, let's be fucking for real. I have a soft spot for most

Speaker 2 people on reality TV as a child now.

Speaker 5 What? Like, who?

Speaker 2 Like, Farah, like, she was just a young kid trying to figure out with, like, and what she was going through with her, the baby daddy being dead and those parents of hers. And, like.

Speaker 5 dead is so aggressive, like saying dead, yeah.

Speaker 2 A dead baby daddy at 16 is fucking traumatic. That is really traumatic.

Speaker 2 Calling her fucking names online. Yeah.
I'm sorry, Sarah.

Speaker 5 You heard it here first. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Build your own challenge-style team with the most chaotic people.

Speaker 2 MTV only? No.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 We're like five people? Yeah. Okay.
I want to start with, I got to keep it to the OG. I want to bring Coral back.
She'll never actually come back for a real challenge. Okay.

Speaker 2 So I want to bring her back. I want Boston Rob.
Okay.

Speaker 5 Don't remember him.

Speaker 2 Yeah, he's from Survivor. Oh, okay.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'm basically just building a, this is not even a chaotic team. This is just a team of late reality TV stars I want to hang out and party with.
Okay.

Speaker 2 I'm going to put Kate from Below Deck.

Speaker 5 I thought you were going to say Kate plus eight.

Speaker 2 No, I'm terrified of her. Okay, so I have Kate from Kate from Blow Deck.
I have Boston Rob. I have Coral from the challenge.
I love New York.

Speaker 2 Blast from the past. Yes.

Speaker 2 That's the best reality TV star to ever exist.

Speaker 5 What about what was the other one's name?

Speaker 5 No, the other one.

Speaker 2 He was actually going to be my fifth one because he's a swifter.

Speaker 5 Who's the girl? The girl? Tequila?

Speaker 5 Tila Tequila.

Speaker 2 She's like a Nazi now. Yeah, she went down a rabbit hole.
Yeah. So basically, she's

Speaker 2 honestly, again, Coral, Boston Rob, Kate from Below Deck, I love New York. And then I need like one more like strategic because I'm like building a strategic team.

Speaker 2 I'm like blanking on other shows that I watch.

Speaker 2 Dayvonne from Big Brother.

Speaker 5 I think mine would be Chaotic People. No, it's me, Lindsay, Christley.

Speaker 5 Who else do I watch on reality TV?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so you don't, you're like in a bubble.

Speaker 5 I don't watch.

Speaker 5 Who else is there on reality TV these days?

Speaker 2 I think if you just do you and Lindsay, that's chaotic enough for the world.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 5 Maybe Peter Guns from Love and Hip Hop.

Speaker 2 Oh my god, I love I'm like Love and Hip Hop.

Speaker 2 Peter Guns, if I remember, I'd slap the shit out of him before I announced if you're friends with him.

Speaker 5 I haven't talked to him in a long time, but yeah, no, I we always did you watch his show before you did this, okay.

Speaker 2 If you're like, there's no way I could walk into a house with Peter Guns and not like throw a drink in his face.

Speaker 5 No, but in person, I loved him so much.

Speaker 2 I know, I know, and that's so funny.

Speaker 5 Wait, so I have a story about him. So, before when I announced my pregnancy with Lux, I never said who the dad was.
Long story short, Peter commented on my picture.

Speaker 5 And then here goes the shade room posting about is Peter Gunns the dad?

Speaker 2 I mean, not fair.

Speaker 2 Fair decision from the trade room because that man loves to stir the pot.

Speaker 5 And he's like, why didn't you call me back? It was like a suspicious comment on my picture.

Speaker 2 So he was on your marriage book count, not Joe Budden.

Speaker 5 No, Joe was not online.

Speaker 2 I think he was on the Samuel My Challenge.

Speaker 5 Maybe Eric Amina.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Her and Safari all got. Like, I'm just like a reality TV, like, historian.
Like, there's like

Speaker 5 do you you recap all those shows on?

Speaker 2 No, I don't. I just, I've watched all of them.
Oh, okay, so you like know what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 2 Like, there's like, you cannot, like, bring up a reality star and me not, like, be able to make a connection.

Speaker 5 Are you a Kardashian fan?

Speaker 2 Um, I've watched the Kardashians. I wouldn't call myself a fan of the Kardashians, but, like, I know, like, all their lore.

Speaker 2 Like, because I like watch people I don't like just because I love reality TV.

Speaker 5 Do you have cable?

Speaker 2 Um, or do you watch those? I have logins. Shout out the fans that share their logins.
No way. People on Twitter, like, like, give me their logins.
No fuckings.

Speaker 5 I use Kristen's.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I don't pay for that.

Speaker 2 Like, no, like, old love and hip-hop, like old team. I'm like, I'm such like an OG.
Like, Ray J. I'm adding him to my challenge.
Ray Jay is not. No.
I don't care.

Speaker 2 Again, I'm separating the person and the art. Ray J is my favorite reality TV fan of all times.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Is he really?

Speaker 2 Yes. Ray J is my favorite male reality TV star of all time.

Speaker 5 I don't think I've ever seen him, but I don't like his music.

Speaker 2 Well, maybe no one does. Oh, okay.
That's not what he's here for.

Speaker 2 No, Ray J is the funniest. Like, and again, do I think he's a good person? Probably not.
You can't grow up in Hollywood and be a good person of where he comes from.

Speaker 2 But would I watch him on any and everything?

Speaker 2 Got an indoor pool and an outdoor pool. Oh, God, I love Ray J.

Speaker 5 Does he?

Speaker 2 Have you ever met him?

Speaker 2 You should. No.

Speaker 5 Oh, he would have to do that. Sometimes you can't meet the people.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 Who is somebody that you would want to meet, but you're scared to meet?

Speaker 2 I love New York. Tiffany Pollard.
Yeah. Almarosa, like,

Speaker 5 yeah. I don't know who those people are.

Speaker 2 Again,

Speaker 2 seven kids, no kids. Our times are different.
Like,

Speaker 2 yeah.

Speaker 2 Romany Frankl.

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 5 So I asked her about caviar and she responded. So Romani Frankl were basically best friends.

Speaker 2 She's mad to you because you're on her level. You like don't.

Speaker 5 Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 She's friends with Alex Earle.

Speaker 2 You could probably get Alex Earl in this podcast. No, girl.
No, girl.

Speaker 5 She's making like a million dollars a contract.

Speaker 2 Yeah, she's going to do a dance with the stars. She did, or she's going to be on the new season.

Speaker 5 Oh, good. That's awesome.
She should also go. I think she did.
She did do the mass singer.

Speaker 2 I don't watch. See, that's like, see, that's not my type of reality show.
Got it. Got it.
Yeah, I need, I need to see your personality. I need to know who you are.

Speaker 2 But no, she, I don't think the mass singer could they afford her. I don't know what they pay.

Speaker 5 Yeah. That's posted by Nick Cannon.

Speaker 5 I'd have Nick Cannon on my team. You have a lot in common.
We have a lot in common. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Honestly, I would love you and Nick to discuss. I don't like it.
Different perspectives. I agree, but just curious.

Speaker 5 the He was so rude to me at the 2018 VMAs. He was so fucking rude to me, and I will never forget it.

Speaker 2 As you should not. As you should not.

Speaker 5 But for like the lore, for like the sake of views on social media, I think he would be. What about anyone from Selling Sunset? Do you watch that? Oh, yeah, I love like I love all the girls.

Speaker 2 I love Cochelle. I love her.
Coachelle stands ten toes down on the shit she believes in.

Speaker 5 I love, I do love Mary.

Speaker 2 Oh, I like Mary too, but Mary's not like the most entertaining one. But you need people like Mary on that type of cast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 you need like this like you like that's the important thing of like the importance of casting different personalities to make the correct ensemble and then i did mary's hot too but she's really hot girl yeah um chelsea and i hosted or presented an award at the american reality whatever award show we did we presented award and she she's funny yeah she's so funny and i don't think she gets like a funny edit on the show no no because she's like the sweet serious yeah yeah yeah yeah so i i would have her maybe have her on my not that you're a villain but would you do house of Villains?

Speaker 5 I would argue that I am a villain and I would say yes.

Speaker 2 In some people's story.

Speaker 2 Would you rather do House of Villains or Traders? Or do you not know enough about either to make a choice?

Speaker 5 I would do whatever would make me more money.

Speaker 2 Spoken like a true business woman. She's got some kids to send to college.

Speaker 2 Traders would be the better. I'm telling you.

Speaker 5 And I think it's a little bit more relevant.

Speaker 2 Manifesting it now, you're getting on Traders 5. Okay.
It films next May because they film every May. Yeah.
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Iconic or ick? Bows on adult women. Iconic or ick?

Speaker 2 Like hair bows?

Speaker 5 Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 2 I'm going to have to go.

Speaker 2 It depends on your tax bracket. Like Blair Waldog, like Blair from Gossip Girl, iconic.
Okay. Some random bitch at a dive bar, it might give me the ick.
So that's a tack brack.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry. I don't make the the rules.

Speaker 5 Yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 2 I'm not putting a bow in my head. I'm not putting a bow on me ever.

Speaker 2 If you've got a real Chanel, you can do it.

Speaker 5 Matching holiday pajamas for the whole family.

Speaker 2 Well, considering like 50% of marriages end in divorce, the ick, because you're going to have to ick them out. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 5 Gender reveals with explosives or smoke bombs.

Speaker 2 Ick, ick, ick. I'm a fan of a gender reveal when the baby pops out.
I did that three times. I know.

Speaker 2 I love that.

Speaker 5 Some people are just too big of like planners planners and prepares i'm not i love surprises isaac lincoln and lux were all surprise births so i didn't know what any of them were no i'm a big fan of of finding out the that's one big surprise left in life but also when i had the gender reveal for the twins only one smoke bomb went off and it was blue i remember the smoke bombs now i remember this and i was like what the fuck okay

Speaker 5 Overlined lips.

Speaker 2 Ugh, the ick. I don't overline.

Speaker 5 I just line wherever my teeth are.

Speaker 2 Yeah. And when you say overlined lips, you're not going to get this reference, but Lexi from Summerhouse does it.

Speaker 5 And it's. You mean Alabama Barker?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 That feud between, oh, my God.

Speaker 2 Who's teamwork?

Speaker 5 Alabama or Bad Baby?

Speaker 2 Bad Baby. Thank you.

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 5 Stanley Cups everywhere.

Speaker 2 Ick.

Speaker 2 Ick. Sorry.
It's like such like.

Speaker 5 I have like 40.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's like such an, I don't, I don't own any.

Speaker 2 It's such like, again, that like yeah no sorry posting your man's hand but never his face

Speaker 2 he's not getting posted period oh not even a hand like a soft line

Speaker 2 like I said I could be married with three kids and y'all wouldn't know are you married with three kids I'm not baby name reveals on Pinterest boards

Speaker 2 It's the ick. I'm sorry.
Again, you also, again, I'm not a mother. This is not my, I need to, I would have to see the child to name it.
Okay.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't understand the naming it before, even if it's like a family name. Because what if I name you Janie and you look like a Terry? Like, uh-uh.
That's weird to me. No offense, no shades.

Speaker 2 Lux was named mothers watching this.

Speaker 5 Lux was 63 days old before I named him.

Speaker 2 I remember that.

Speaker 5 Nothing suited him. So I was like, what is your name?

Speaker 5 Long, claw-like nails for everything.

Speaker 2 Ick. No, no, no, let me phrase that.
Ick if you cannot like use them correctly, because some bitches can do everything with the long nail. I'm not a long nail girly.
No, I'm a bear nail.

Speaker 2 I like just short little

Speaker 2 It's kind of like wearing kills if you can do it and do everything go for it if you cannot pick up something properly cut your nails.

Speaker 5 I don't know how I would wipe my ass.

Speaker 2 That's a like how do you put a tamp on it or like finger yourself exactly.

Speaker 5 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 That's what you were really thinking. You were just trying to keep it for sure.
Kosher.

Speaker 5 No, not kosher.

Speaker 5 Keep it clean.

Speaker 2 It is Friday.

Speaker 5 Crying on TikTok and calling it healing.

Speaker 2 I just don't understand these bitches that like, and again, if you're telling a story and you get emotional, it's one thing, but it's just as soon as they press play, they're already crying.

Speaker 2 Like, don't make me laugh for you.

Speaker 2 Like, what are you doing? Get offline. Get offline.
Touch grass. Like, and then, like, you see the picture, the videos of like the moms, like, getting their kids to cry on camera and stuff.

Speaker 2 I want to go through the phone and slap the shit out of people.

Speaker 5 Like, I think I cried enough on Teen Moms. I don't need to cry on the internet.

Speaker 2 If you're telling a story and you're like a minute in and you start crying, like, that's natural. But if the tears are already rolling once you press record, you're weird.
Go to the bathroom.

Speaker 2 Okay, funny. Yeah, yeah no people are people are weird though and people are making a lot of money off of being weird

Speaker 2 what can i make money off i think you figured it out okay i think you figured out you're i think you're good matching couple tattoos ick

Speaker 5 you can only get a matching tattoo with your mom 19 sketch 19 step skincare routines fraud Don't make me laugh. Podcasting as therapy.

Speaker 2 Hey, actually, is this the first one I'm going to actually say, like, not an ick? It's not an ick. It's not an ick, no, because it's real and it's personal.

Speaker 5 But also, I have iconic, that's the word.

Speaker 2 I was like, what's the opposite of ick? I haven't even used the word. I

Speaker 5 used my podcast because I have my, like, Lindsay's my friend and Becky's my friend. So I will ask for real life advice.
My mistake is these are real life situations.

Speaker 5 And then people are like, I know that's about me. Yeah.
Yeah. That sucks.

Speaker 2 But again, because you've been doing this since you were a child, you don't know how to.

Speaker 5 I don't know how to separate church and state.

Speaker 2 And you never really, like you were saying earlier of trying to figure out of like with the the relationships and stuff you're never gonna be able to be private it's just this is who you who you've been since you were a child essentially like it's weird it's a weird yeah um wearing crocs with charms

Speaker 2 again it's a tax bracket thing like so if someone like if you're like on a private jet it's okay but like yeah it's like a weird like it's double statement i'm not okay with you can probably get away with it if you have more than like three lawyers on your payroll like me i can't do it but you can do it type of thing again tax it's a weird like I don't like that it's a tax bracket thing, but some things are.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 5 AI-generated baby photos before the baby is born.

Speaker 2 Some people shouldn't be parents.

Speaker 5 Wait, have you seen? I thought this was going to be about the AI-generated. Have you seen like the Theo Vaughn podcast?

Speaker 2 Oh my God, I love Theo Vaughn. Well, I love him as an adult, but the baby one.

Speaker 2 No, Theo is my dream person to do this with.

Speaker 5 No, I love, he's ignored me every single time, but I love Theo Vaughn so much.

Speaker 2 He's a road rules child. I know.

Speaker 5 Could you imagine him on like a challenge?

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. I would die.
I'll go to a stand-up. I would die just, even if it's not in on a camera, just have five minutes with the other.

Speaker 5 Last one, going live during an argument.

Speaker 2 Mental illness. Mental illness.

Speaker 2 That is fucking insane. And I guess who's watching and judging.
You? Yeah. Like, I don't know.
And then when I make a TikTok about it, I'm a hater.

Speaker 2 Like, what the fuck?

Speaker 5 Where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 2 Okay. It's just Jim underscore on Instagram.
And I just got into TikTok better late than never. As you should.
But I just found TikTok and I've been fucking loving it because like I was born a hater.

Speaker 2 I'm living as a hater. I'll die a hater.
And TikTok is such a good place to get my hate off. So yeah.

Speaker 5 Make some money.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like I'm loving it. I'm loving it.
I love it.

Speaker 5 Thanks for coming on Barely Famous podcasts.

Speaker 2 I am so happy to finally meet you. Again, this is a lifetime in the making.

Speaker 5 I'm so glad we did.

Speaker 2 And thanks for, you know, making my favorite child to ever exist.

Speaker 5 I'm going to let him know you said that.

Speaker 2 God, I would die for that kid.

Speaker 5 I should have brought him.

Speaker 2 I would have lost lost him. I would have been able to handle, like, I love him so much.
Like, you did such a good job with it.

Speaker 5 Thank you. I appreciate that.

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