Trinity Rodman: The Truth about My Family

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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Trinity Rodman, welcome to Call Her Daddy.
Hey, thanks for having me. Oh my gosh, so happy to be here.
No, Trinity, you just walked in here and you go, what did you just say? You're like, I only talk about soccer. about soccer yeah this is new territory you don't want me to just talk about kicking a ball around the field what i want to talk about corner kicks this entire fucking time because i don't take them so i'm gonna just see what happens my first corner kick was in the championship four years into my pro stop i literally walk up to the corner and i was like what what are we doing championship we're losing there's like a couple minutes left I'm standing there like everyone's looking like no stop I love how I say that and you're like okay I actually have a story no stop you're like I have a story can this take up an hour um you're gonna be fine today okay I've got you first of all I do just have to say I'm so fucking happy that I'm meeting you because I had a show on Peacock during the Olympics and I was you're not you saw okay I saw you going crazy bitch I cried when you won okay so I was I got there and they were like oh we're gonna have you cover all the sports and I was like please let me just cover soccer with a little bit of gymnastics because I know

soccer yeah and they were like maybe maybe and then they saw me talk about soccer and they're like okay Jesus Christ you have to stay you have to stay and when you guys won gold I cried same okay oh fuck obviously um can you we're gonna start with some easy ones okay how did you celebrate winning gold oh my gosh I cried I like collapsed and cried but I don't know I feel like there's like no true celebration afterwards because hey you got to go back to your season in NWSL so we celebrated like the night of partied with our coaches and our staff and everything that was fun and I didn't take the medal off even the flight home like it wasn't it was glued to my neck when did you first take it off probably when i went to sleep when i got home because i was like okay that's a lot but even through security i was like trying to wear it and they were like no i was like oh okay i'm like staring at it through the thing we where where did you put it when you went to bed um i have this little case that i got when we won in 2021 for my ring but it's like big and so I just put it in there hopefully it's still there I haven't checked on it in a minute wait what I should probably check to see if she's okay casual just gold medal sitting somewhere random what is your pregame ritual do you have any superstitions I feel like I have so many little superstitions. So gum is one.

I can't live without gum really for soccer so like i'll go through probably three or four pieces of gum a game and if i am going on the field and i don't have gum in my mouth like i'll throw a tantrum like i'm a diva like i need gum that's the one thing screw water i need gum we what kind of gum um anything peppermint spearmint i it can die no yeah what else i have to sit in the same spot on the bus on the way to the game every single time i have to stand in the same spot for warm-up behind my girl tara um there's so many things i have to have at home games. I have to make a peanut butter and

jelly sandwich in the locker room. Red Bull's essential for energy and psychotic behavior in the locker room.
So many things. No, the locker room before games like is feral.
Like, and there are some people that are so chill and quiet and then there are the people that are rowdy. Are you rowdy do you want to answer that no um yeah i'm the person that the chill ones hate because we have the people in our locker room that have their headphones on they're stretching they're down they're not talking to anybody and i'm bouncing like a crazy person around the locker room i'm like trying to take their headphones off i'm like come on come on so yeah i'm the annoying person and I just can't help it.
I can't be chill for a game because like I said earlier, it just psychs me out more and I get nervous and I'm like, if I'm just on 10 the entire time, you can't be scared. No, I was the same way.
I would be the person just like talking and I wouldn't shut the fuck up and everyone would be like, Cooper, go sit in your fucking locker room. And I'm like, I don't want to sit in my locker and what like think about what's about to happen i'd rather not manifest absolutely no never so i pretend i'm like about to like go out for a fun night like i'm not thinking straight because in the people that are meditating you're like my god you have like a really strong brain and i don't want to be a part of that no yeah i couldn't relate like.
Like, what are we meditating about? What are we thinking? What's on the brain? There's never. Obviously, especially during the Olympics, like the entire world was talking about you.
Everyone knows your name. And I think aside from your talent, I think a lot of people in media, press on social media, a lot of people wanted to hear you talk about and wanted to ask you about your dad um for those of the daddy gang that don't know in my audience your father daddy gang let me know what's the dad yeah let's just kick it right off you're like what is a father let me know um your dad is Rodman.
He's one of the most famous basketball players of all time. He played alongside Michael Jordan.
He had a very controversial career. He was known for crazy partying, hooking up with women, getting in trouble on and off the court.
And you have never really talked about what was going on in your family behind the scenes. And today we're going to get into it.
What made you feel ready? Oh, gosh. I think, well, just a warning.
I laugh a lot when I'm trying to like talk about something serious. So I think with the dad situation in terms of like what I've filtered and what I've talked about.
I feel like me and my brother have been very generous with the way that we've talked about it and very unselfish. I think we never want to make him look bad.
And that is at the cost of kind of holding in a lot and a lot of issues that we've gone through and just like trauma per se.

Yeah.

So I don't know. I just feel like I've been in a place of going through interviews where people are like, oh, is your dad there? Like, what's your dad feeling? And I feel like I've tried to make it obvious that I don't know.
I don't know how he's feeling. I don't know where he is.
like so for my own sanity getting those questions it frustrates me because I'm like I don't want to blame the interviewers of like okay you don't deep dive into my life but at the same time I've made it clear that he's not present yeah so yeah I guess this is my opportunity to kind of talk more I don't want to say negatively but more realistic about it yeah but I can imagine like I feel like I've sat down with so many people and it's like it's tough when you're trying to protect someone that yes whether you love or you don't or whatever your dynamic is like it's your dad and they're everyone has a very specific idea of your father but none of us are his children right like we have an idea of what we saw on a Netflix special and what we watched back in the day if you're watching his games, but you have a lived, breathed experience of this man as your father that people are looking, I think, in a glamorized way for you to talk like, what's it like? Dennis Rodman's your dad. This is so cool.
And you're literally like, um, next question. So I think it's fair for you to talk about your life in a realistic way because you are

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We're gonna go back to the beginning. Where did you grow up and what was your hometown like? Okay, well, I grew up in Newport Beach, which as everyone kind of knows, it's a very wealthy area.
And I loved growing up in Newport. It was amazing, beautiful place.
But growing up in a wealthy place when you don't have money is a different struggle. And I think that was really difficult for me, my mom and my brother, just because we were going to the schools where everyone had money.
And it was like, we're going to school, like in high school, I was sharing a room with my mom, which is like crazy. So it's like just the little things of being a normal high school or a middle schooler where you're like, you want to invite friends over.
And it's like, not that I'm embarrassed of the way that I grew up, but at the time it was like, I don't want to invite friends over. I don't want them to know I sleep with my mom.
Like just like little stuff like that. So growing up in New Newport was good but hard because I don't know like keeping up with the Joneses I feel like that was kind of a struggle of like people knew that we didn't have money but it was more so like how do we look not completely broke during that time so yeah with like soccer and everything we got help a lot from one of my club coaches, Greg Baker.
He kind of set me up and helped me. Thank God I was talented or else I don't know where I would be.
But he helped me and he gave me those opportunities that I wouldn't have had because I couldn't pay for certain things. So a lot of things we worked for, but also in a way were handed just because we were talented so that did help but yeah especially with sports it was very difficult to like travel and go to hotels and do these away trips when we didn't have the money to stay at these like marriotts like we were at like holiday inn like that's what we could afford so it was just hard because i would then find teammates it's okay if like I come and then my mom couldn't come sometimes and it was just interesting like we were trying like we did the best at being humble and being grateful for everything but at the same time it was really hard yeah even just like after school like at a cookie truck I'd be like mom can I have a dollar for this cookie like one time and I know that sounds horrible but that has made me I feel like more humble now yeah experiencing that being in a wealthy area and not having it we made it through and we're great people and like it worked out so going back though like okay you talking about growing up in Newport and I agree I feel like people that aren't obviously from California but I feel like you hear about it or even you like watch the show The O.C.
and Orange County and Newport, like there's such extreme wealth. How do you think you growing up and not having money impacted you like as a kid in your personality? Like, were you shy? Were you reserved? Were you loud? Like what kind of kid were you? Yeah, I think naturally I've always been a more outgoing person, especially when you get to know me.
But I definitely think not having money to do certain things changed the way that I was with people because I wasn't as confident. And I also couldn't go to things that people were going to.
It was like, oh, do you want to go even just going to like fast food and chilling in the parking lot? I was like, I don't have money to go to In-N-Out right now or to go to Krispy Kreme. And it was embarrassing to be like, hey, I don't have money.
So I think, yeah, through even now, like I have a really close friend from middle school that I'm still friends with. And that's like probably my one friend from middle school and then my friend from high school.
Um, so that's like my two friends and those are the only people I hung out with. And even through high school, I went to a private school for one year.
I was like eating lunch in the bathroom sometimes because me and my brother didn't have the same lunch and he was like my person so like growing up I would have all his same teachers like I was a year after him so I would just follow in his footsteps every single time which was annoying because he was really good in school and I was horrible so it was like they loved DJ and like hated me but yeah it was we didn't have the same lunch so I was like didn't have friends to sit with so I like lunch would happen. I didn't have money to pay for it at school.
So then it was like the bell rings and it's like, what do I do? Where do I go? Like, uh, do I go to a teacher's room? Do I just like stay in the cafeteria and act like I'm just like talking to people that I'm not even like, it was so bizarre. But do you think you weren't making friends because you were just trying to like hide? Like it's not or were people literally not liking you because they knew of your socioeconomic status? Both because I feel like it went both ways.
It was weird because for my brother, I feel like in the earlier years, it was harder for him to have friends. But as it went on, it was so easy.
Like when we went to high school together, he had so many friends and like that's who I was going to um and then for me it was completely different so it's just weird and you know like girls are very catty yes and like clicky and I felt like I'd come late like everyone had started freshman year I got their sophomore year so I had some soccer friends but the vibes were just different like we were friends for soccer but then in school it was like okay not the same thing yeah so I don't know if it was just like people already had their clicks and I was just like too shy to be like desperate and like try to push my way into certain groups and I'm just not that person like if I'm feeling you're not feeling me then I'm I'd rather sit in the bathroom um yeah so I think it's a mixture which was unfortunate but now looking back it's like funny because all those people are texting me now and it's like of course interesting uh-huh go fuck yourself yeah um how old were you when your parents got divorced oh gosh um google hope i think um i think you were like two i feel like i was dealing with it even when I was like old enough to remember it but I don't know it dragged on probably no more than me do you remember like how did you see that affect your mom of like this divorce dragging on for so many years I mean obviously I cannot speak for her experiences because she I feel like she didn't even really have time to think about it just because she had to deal with me and my brother and my sister. All right, girl.
Anyway, I think my mom was dealing with a lot of shit from my dad for so long. And divorce was just like a name.
That ship had sailed for the longest time. And she knew that.
We knew that. And it really was like, before before the divorce happened my dad was actually helping money wise so that was the difference of like he would actually give money to my mom and let us kind of live life a little bit but then as when the divorce happened it was just like fuck you guys like we're not getting enough money to we're getting enough money to pay rent barely and then we were just I don't even

know how we made it work but somehow we were making it happen and it was just crazy when you

say that your mom would you kind of knew that like that ship had sailed like your mom had been

dealing with so much like how did your mom talk about your dad and his absence to you and your

siblings my mom was really good at making every situation seem smoother than it actually was and

Thank you. your mom talk about your dad and his absence to you and your siblings? My mom was really good at making every situation seem smoother than it actually was.
And I think that's what parents do to protect their children. But yeah, I think even being young, it was like he partied all the time.
He has this beach house in Newport or Huntington or wherever. And it was like, we tried to live with him, but he's having parties 24 seven.
He's bringing random bitches in. Like my mom didn't want, she was strong enough to deal with it because even to this day, I still believe that my dad hasn't loved anyone after my mom.
Like I genuinely believe that. I think he doesn't know how to, I think they both felt the same way about each other but it just his demons were just too strong for it but yeah I think my mom just saw the situation of we love each other it's not gonna work and for my kids I can't have them seeing you treat me this way embarrass me this way and have the party scene all the time you have little babies yeah so yeah do you have any recollection of like watching them fight in front of each other like in front of you um i don't really remember so much younger and i feel like me and my brother were very oblivious to it but then once we got older when he was in our lives less and we were seeing him once two three four times a year every time they were together it was like it was the same shit it was my mom being valid and what the fuck are you doing like help us and help your children and he was just like oh you just use me for my money mama and even then it was like that was all the fight was ever about in front of us at least it was just the money part and helping your children and even then it was my dad he likes to be in control so like he would take us shopping get us phones do this do that oh i'm gonna take you and to take you and your brother shopping.
I mean, my brother are like, we don't want to go shopping. We don't want to go shopping.
We just want money to go get in and out after school with our friends. So it was like, he wouldn't give us money to do that.
He needed to have the control of bringing us shopping and swiping his own card. But if we asked, Hey, could we have a hundred to like, go get food, go, go to Claire's, get my ears pierced.
Like just little stuff like that. He was like, no, you're using me.
You're trying like all this

stuff. I think that's what's probably so confusing, even hearing you talk about this.
Like I think a

lot of people would assume because you're Dennis Rodman's daughter, money wasn't an issue for you

growing up. But that obviously wasn't the case.
Do you know why after the divorce like he would

not pay child support? I think that it was kind of like that's not my problem anymore and i don't even know to try to justify his brain is so hard because even now i genuinely believe he's still in love with my mom because he'll call me randomly and be like how how's your mom doing? Like even before you ask how I'm doing. So whenever we would see each other, he was always just like almost trying to get my mom to fall in love with him again so that it could be a family thing, even if it was toxic.
But I think once it was a divorce, it was like, all right, like you, this is on you. Like, yeah, I know you said like you were sleeping in a bed with your mom like what was one of the worst circumstances living wise that you and your siblings had to go through during your childhood it was I'm like smiling about it because it was the best and worst situation if that makes sense so we had an expedition and we kind of lived in that for a little bit mind you in newport beach an expedition like a car yeah okay like newport beach we're going to i think this is when we were at what is it ensign by newport harbor so we were still in newport so imagine living in a car going to like a rich school like it's the most weird thing but we were living in a car but then we could afford to stay in a motel for a little bit so we were kind of back and forth like what nights we could pay for how many nights we could pay for but i'm saying it's the best because me and my brother my mom is obviously like prideful and like she never wants to be looked at that way of like not being able to provide for kids.
So like my mom's like, I'm sorry that we had to do that. I'm sorry that you had to go through that.
But me and my brother are just like, what? That was so much fun. Like as a kid, we lived in a motel in our routine every morning.
We would make those waffles in the waffle machine in the motel breakfast like before school. And then we'd go in.
My mom would let us go into the hot tub in the pool so like this is all preschool like fun stuff in the morning so this is like us getting up 6 37 a.m making our waffles jumping in the pool chilling in the hot tub playing being like best friends and then showering getting dressed and then we would drive to school in this like beat up expedition when everybody else is in like Rolls Royces and Range Rovers and all that stuff. But for me and DJ, it was never, it was like never embarrassing in the weirdest way.
It was weird. And we knew that we were kind of like the odd men out in a sense, but we never ever would like rush out of the car like be like mom pick us up

over here or like it was never like that so yeah going back long story short it's like worst and best situation because me and my brother look back and we're like that was so fun in the weirdest way how long do you think you lived you lived in a car for it wasn't that long we were in that motel for months but again it was fun even as an adult like I'm like that was fun and I also think that's such a testament to your mom right because I think as you get older and you start to recognize like the reality of life the fact that you guys were able to see those moments as just genuinely so joyful, like your mom was protecting you in such a beautiful way and you had these like awesome memories. That's such a testament to your mother.
Yeah, it's crazy. And I mean, she's not like she had an easy child.
Like she didn't have a father figure either. So I mean, yeah, she went through her own struggles while somehow making our life extremely fun being broke, which is insane because everything costs money.

So how do you have fun?

It's just weird.

Do you think you were like you never found yourself ever resentful of your situation?

No.

That's amazing.

Never resentful.

Obviously, there were times where it was like our friends would be doing stuff and we couldn't go.

Yeah.

Or like we just didn't want to go because we didn't want to ask people for money. Yeah.
So it was never resentment. It was more so like, damn, I wish we could go in there.
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When I was doing research, I was looking like when you were nine years old, your dad was getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. And when I'm listening to you talk right now, I'm like, OK, you're nine.
So many things happened. It's crazy.
Right. Like I'm like, hold on.
This man is on a stage getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. And where are you when you're nine no and that's the crazy part is like we still were going to those events like we were just a happy little family like getting dressed getting styled like his jersey retirement all those things that we attended to while we're like not financially like it was just the weirdest thing because it was like we did things for him and we've always done things for him it's like he wanted to have a good image of having his family by him and we were like yeah we'll go so exciting like so at that point in your life just to try to get an understanding throughout like I would say your first like 15 years of life let's say how often would you see your dad when we were younger it was more okay way more and then i think as we got older and understood the situation more my mom became stronger in the situation that's when it was less and i i would say by the time we were in i'll say like seventh grade until even now it was three four times a year okay when we lived in the same city and did you ever live with him when we were really young but that's when we were like right after we were born yeah but that wasn't that long because my mom was over the party and she was just like we're done yeah in his acceptance speech he said the one thing he regretted was not being a better father.
You just rolled your eyes. Yeah, because it's just like, do I believe him? Yeah, I do believe that he wishes that he could fight his demons.
I roll my eyes because it's like you hear something so many times, but he does nothing to change it.

Yeah.

And it's like, I wish I was a better dad.

He said that in so many interviews, like I could pull them up.

Yeah.

And it's like, okay.

Yeah.

Then do something. And I think what the most frustrating part about it is, is I think with how successful he was and how rich he was, he was surrounded by a lot of toxic people who would take his money and take advantage of him.

And because he was in alcohol, he was kind of brainwashed and all that didn't really have control over anything i don't know that was just so i think again the rolling eyes comes from we tried to be that foundation and to be the good people around him because in like, we never really asked for anything unless we really needed it.

Like, me, my mom, and my brother, it was like, we just want you.

And I don't, I think for him, he's never understood the fact, because he's never experienced it.

He's had messed up family issues as well.

He's never understood that people could actually just want to be around him

and to just want to, like, make him happy.

He's always thinking money, money, money, money, when it's like, no.

I don't know. people could actually just want to be around him and to just want to like make him happy.
He's always thinking money, money, money, money when it's like.

No.

Yeah.

Like what a horrible situation where you're like, wait, no, dad, like we.

Yes, we're coming to you for money because we're literally living in a fucking car.

But we also want you.

But he's so paranoid of whatever is going on in his life that he can't like accept what you guys are trying to give him. And so it's like this cat and mouse game where you guys feel like you're constantly being rejected.
But you're coming with the best intentions. Yeah.
And it's just hard because it's like even now I'm like trying to be honest about it. And I'm still giving him sympathy, which is like frustrating for me because in reality, I think he's an extremely selfish human being.
I think everything has always been about him. He's gone through shit, but at the same time, I'm like, he loves the spotlight.
He loves the cameras. He loves bringing his children on stage and being like, oh, these are my kids.
Like all that stuff. And even like the mind, I've been, well, I've been cussing.
That's new for me. I was going to say the mind fuck, but like of him, like for me, emotionally, he's put me through like, oh my gosh.
Like even just him not talking to me for months, months and months. And then he randomly calls and he's like, Hey, like I'm thinking of doing a TV show, reality TV show.
You want to join? I'm just like, whoa. So so like that's the part where I have so much anger towards it of like why have I been so nice about someone who's so selfish and that's the thing with our entire family is like you said it in the beginning of like us protecting him when he's never once protected us he's almost made it worse because he has put us in the public light at a young age so I guess it's just like the anger that I haven't really been able to let out is like difficult for me yeah but I feel like hearing you say this like I've had people sit in that exact chair and it's like fucked up dynamics with parents is so complicated because at the end of the day they're still your parent and there's like almost a brainwash you experience of like you still want their love you still want their validation you still want them to like you you still want him to like come to your games and think you're great and like see how great you're doing but at the same time you also want to be like fuck you you've never done anything for us like and it's like this battle of I get why I wouldn't expect anything other than you sitting here and going back and forth of like trying to protect him because you've never spoken about this so i want to give you grace also like you're doing great because you are doing a really great job of explaining this like hard push and pull you have because it's your dad yeah and that's like what you're saying is like the weirdest thing because even when i'm like even like going through a season where you're just like damn i'm so over this like i just want to go home and sleep in moments like that i'm like damn i wish i could just get a hug from my dad when i don't even have that connection with him like when he showed up at my game i was like so mad yeah like when i first saw him yeah i kind of already started talking about everything but it's okay yeah he showed up to my game my mom had no idea until he was like there and i think she got a call or something but they were in the sweet field side and i again going in my rookie year going into a quarterfinal like i'm already shitting my pants as it is like i'm like stressed like oh my gosh like we have to win we go I'm playing I think it's like halfway through the first half and I hear it and like his voice to me is like so I hear him go let's go Rodman let's go Trinity and I'm like oh my fucking gosh like there's no way this is happening right now mind you i haven't seen him in or talked to him in months months so i hear it and i'm like i'm playing a game not like uh throw in nothing like i'm playing the game and i hear i'm running i'm like oh my gosh so i'm still playing i'm like there's no way i'm like chasing the ball down trying to figure out a goal kick happens right i'm defending a goal kick and i'm like in my stance It's kind of, and I look back and I'm like, there's no way.
I'm like chasing the ball down, trying to figure out a goal kick happens, right? I'm defending a goal kick. And I'm like in my stance kind of, and I look back and I'm like, what the fuck? I look straight and I like start crying on the field.
So I'm trying to play the soccer game and I'm crying. And I don't know if we got a water break.
I think there was like an injury or a water break. Yeah.
Cause we go into the huddle and I go to Ashley Sanchez, which is like one of my best friends go to her in the h huddle while our coach is trying to give us direction of like what's working, what's not working. Because like we were playing horrible the first half.
I'm looking at Ash. I'm crying.
No one knows what the fuck's going on. I'm looking at Ash and I'm like, dude, my dad's here.
And she knew immediately. She was like, oh, fuck.
She gave me a hug. She was like, it's OK.
Let's just finish this half. Like we'll talk in the locker room at halftime.
Just finish this half. Don't think about it.
I was like, sure. Let me just forget.
Yeah. Easy advice.
Um, so yeah, finish that half and then cry my eyes out in the locker room at halftime. And my coach was like, do you want, do you want to play? And I was like, yeah, I want to win.
Hello. I'm like, he is not going to take me from winning this either.
Um, so yeah, yeah, we finished the game. Were you able to, like, play well? Yeah.
So I took the shot, ricocheted back, and Hatch scored it for us to win. Yeah, you did.
Awesome. And then after the game, when we were winning, there's that part in your head where, like, the whistle's going to blow, the whistle's going to blow.
And all I was thinking was, like, oh, my God, I'm going to see him. I'm going to talk to him.
Like, what's going to happen? The whistle blew, and I was thinking was like oh my god i'm gonna see him i'm gonna talk to him like what's gonna happen the whistle blew and i was so like mad i was like you took this happy moment for me like you fuck with my head again and he did it so many times and i don't even know no i think he knows what he does but when the game ended i was so angry i was happy we won but i was just like and then i started my mom. Cause I was like, she had to have known.
Why didn't she tell me like all this stuff? And then I walk over and again, there's cameras everywhere. Dennis Rodman's at the game.
And I walk over there and all I did was cry. I was like, I'm walking over there so mad.
Like, fuck you. I walk over there.
He grabs my head and I just start bawling into his arms as if like, it's a daddy daughter. Like, and I'm just like, this you've come to quarterfinal you missed the entire season haven't seen my games in three four five years and I'm just like bawling I was I cried and I was super happy I was like let's take the positive of it he's here like that's more than I can ask so then we go into like this friends and family part after we're like talking whatever he's asking me how everything's going it's like honestly like a pretty wholesome thing

like oh my gosh imagine so we're just like talking catching up and then I don't remember how it was

left I think I just went home because I had training the next day and we just kind of left

it at that and he was just like I want to see you soon I'm in DC whatever and I was like okay

and then after that radio silence I didn't see him for like

Thank you. it at that and he was just like i want to see you soon i'm in dc whatever and i was like okay and then after that radio silence i didn't see him for like until this year i didn't talk to him or see him yeah until i think no yeah right after world cup wait how many years ago was this three so this So this is 2021.
So that happens in 2021. And I'm talking to media.
I put out this huge post, like we're not perfect. I love my dad.
Like this could be the start of something new. Like I know blah, blah, blah.
Like being super nice about it. Like just grateful that he even showed up.
I'm like, I don't know what it has in store, but I'm just happy that we got to have this moment together. Stupid me for thinking that was going to be some type of like new spark because that was me every single time he would come around and I'd be like, okay, here it is again.
We're going to start something. He's going to be around.
Boom. Months and months and months.
This time was years. And I was just like, okay, cool.
And so then it's like, after that, then it's media outlets asking about the post, asking about him being there. So I'm like super positive.
I'm just like, yeah, like obviously it was really emotional. I'm really happy.
Months and months go by. I'm still talking about it on media.
And I'm just like, fuck, here we go again. So then it was just like, I think after that was when I lost hope in like ever getting him back.
It was just going to be like a, he's popping in whenever he wants to be in a camera. And even at that game, I don't think it was for me.
I think he wanted to have a good conscious conscience and then be like headline Dennis Rodman showed up to his daughter's game an important quarterfinal in her rookie year. And that's exactly what it was.
That's what I was going to say. Like I went and looked at that Instagram post and it like my heart sunk for you because obviously like I knew somewhat of the conversation we were going to have today.
But I had obviously no idea of like the gravity of it. And it's so disheartening because you're right.
Like you walking over to him in that moment, it was all about the cameras. You couldn't have a normal reaction to be like, where the fuck have you been been and like you saying you're on the field angry and then you don't get to have a normal moment with your father where a normal person could go up and be like what the fuck instead it's like everyone smile for the cameras and be happy and then before you even get to have like a debrief the next day like he's gone can you talk to me about like didn't he like always change his phone numbers.
Yeah, even i don't have his number saved i think he because he had called me like even these past couple weeks he's been trying to call me and i was just a texas number didn't know he lived in texas so that's news to me so i'm just thinking it's like spam risk like all this stuff and i'm okay they're just like spam calls like normal i get those all the time so i was ignoring it and then i see like voicemails from it and i'm like and then i look and i hear it for a second i was like fuck and i think i heard it for a second because i saw that the voicemail was 40 seconds long i was like nah i'm not doing that and it's just like a hit or miss day for me it's like if i want to go through that or not and i'm just like no why is he always changing his phone number i don't know if it's changing or losing his phones or what but again he never has an iPhone. He always has a flip phone and I honestly think he'll just trash them and get new ones.
Of him calling you in moments throughout your life and those moments where you're like, sometimes I have the patience, sometimes I don't. Is there any time he called you that you remember and it really fucked with you? Whether you were about to go into a specific event in your life or you were in a specific situation and he calls and you like were like this completely fucked me up and ruined my day kind of like the game yeah I think it fucks me up every single time even I think now hearing his voice is like painful because I think it's missing him mixed with he's an alcoholic and again that's something that I don't want to say but I'm just like fuck it like it's just the truth and like hearing even the past five years hearing the difference in the way that his sentences go together and now I'm like like I genuinely keep I'm like he's gone like it feels like he's gone and like hearing him talk I'm just like like I answer the phone now for like my conscience to be like if something does happen god forbid I want to know that like I did that or if he needed to hear my voice before anything happens like that's why I answer the phone not for me but then I answer the phone and I have that conversation and I hear the way he's talking and how gone and drunk he is.
And I'm just like, that was horrible. I'm like, that did nothing for me.
Like if something were to happen, if I would have had that phone call and if I wouldn't have, I would have felt the same way. Well, that's what but you saying that and I feel like there's a lot of people listening that can probably relate to having someone in their life that struggles with alcohol or substance abuse and it's like the point you just hit on which I think is so debilitating and it keeps you kind of like a captive because it's like you're held captive to your dad because the thought is if this has his last moment and he's calling me and he wants to hear my voice so there's a world where you're gonna pick up every fucking time because you're so fucking scared living for somebody else right like living to make someone else happy have you have you figured out any form of boundaries that you has worked or no it's hard to make boundaries when he's like it's a rare occurrence like if he were say calling me randomly every single week okay cool but it's like so random that I'm like you don't know when the next phone call is gonna come so it's like what is a boundary what is the closest you've ever had with your father of like a heart to heart somewhat scratching the surface of like this is why he is the way he is like has he ever spoken about his struggle with alcohol to you and tried to explain his behavior? No, but I think not with the alcohol, with loving people.
He's talked to me and my mom about of just the lack of love that he's received from his parents or his dad relationship is kind of translates into how he loves other people because he loved my mom i do not question that she does not question that he treated her like shit so it's just weird and it's like to me even after everything i said he treats me the best i'm like still his little princess and I can't do any wrong. He growing up, he treated my brother like shit, too.
So, fuck you. You're not good enough.
What are you doing with basketball? You're not. And that's yeah, that's touching on a whole different thing with the hate that my brother gets being in the same sport.
Like I don't even. People in the insensitivity with that, it's like you're never as good as your dad, all this stuff.
It's like he doesn't have to be. And also he's not around.
And I think, too, I'm like just blabbering. No, you're doing great.
But that's also another thing of like that's the most he's talked to me about in terms of like loving my brother, like the man-to-man thing he doesn't know how to father in general but especially to it like he doesn't know how to show that like with me and my mom he could at least hug us like he knows how to do that he doesn't know how to do that with my brother and that's just I mean caused a lot of issues with my brother's confidence and obviously hearing your dad say like you're not good enough all this stuff and it's like too like playing with brawny it's like you see brawny and you see lebron and it's like that is picture perfect like holy so even that is just a whole nother thing for my brother and i don't want to speak for him i'm sure what he's ready if he's ever ready to talk about that that's just another thing that my dad doesn't realize he's affected so much of our like day-to-day yeah like the reason my brother gets hate for basketball is because of him and i think like we would all i agree with you when you're talking about the lebron and brawny situation but like i think we would all be idiots if we didn't think to ourselves like damn that's fucking hard for that kid like that looks great but even that is so fucking hard so imagine your brother and i'm not yeah i did not make mean to make that sound like a walk in the park no i'm validating what you're saying of like it looks like wow look how great that is but it's like even that one can imagine how difficult that is of like being the son of lebron james you're like no damn this is hard and like but the fact that LeBron is embracing his kid being like come with me let you show you around it's like your brother and I agree like not to speak for him but I can only imagine the hurt it feels to have a passion that is essentially like constantly stripped of you because you're being constantly compared to your dad when what your guys are really talking about you're like I don't want't want to be fucking compared to him. Yeah.
And that's, yeah, 100%. And yeah, the Bronny and LeBron's like, I've seen the hate that Bronny gets to, it's unbelievable to try to live up to being the goat of LeBron James.
But yeah, I think with my brother, it's just, you're never enough. Like it's sad.
And like, no one can tell him that he's enough because the one person that he wants to say is enough. Yeah.
Yeah. So it's, yeah, it's tough.
Were you hesitant to talk about the real situation with your dad because of the hype around the Rodman name? Like, do you think people are going to still, like, not not believe what you're saying today, but do you think people will still downplay it because it's like because i also think people look at us like oh poor poor me like we're just trying to like get a check or like oh pity story try to like create this thing but i think yeah they're always i think there's a lot of times where there's it's always gonna be like everyone on my dad's side like when for like father's day like that day is shitty for people that don't have father figures so for us like our coping mechanism for it was posting our mom like happy father's day thanks for being both and that wasn't that's no disrespect to the father figures like still a day to celebrate dads and fathers but for us that's our dad that's our mom and our dad in the weirdest way and even just comments like that like don't disrespect him like that it's like that's not

disrespect he's not a dad right he's a person he's not a dad maybe by blood but nothing else

yeah do i if it almost feels like people are like frustrated that you speaking about what he was like

as a dad is gonna threaten his legacy as a basketball player which is so fucked yeah

How do you think talking about this today is going to affect you and like impact the way you approach interviews moving forward i'm just like not gonna give a fuck honestly like that's how i feel though because i watch interviews back and i'm like, ew, why do I look so scared? Like, this is like my story.

Right.

And like, there are times where he gets brought up where I'm just like, yeah, like, yeah,

he's like, I know he's proud of me.

Like, and I'm like, ew, like, just say how you feel.

And even sometimes I wish I like when people ask, oh, like, is he going to come to one

of the Olympic Games?

I don't know.

And other like, I'll dodge it and I'll be like, oh, like, my mom's i'm gonna give her a hug and i'm like great answer from a from a pr team perfect right in reality like you don't know not to be a diva but i'm just like i want to be like i don't know yeah how am i supposed to know like and that's it that's that's the make me feel uncomfortable. I'm going to make you feel uncomfortable.
And I feel like I've been so comfortable being uncomfortable and I'm just done. You're done.
Obviously, there's been like, I think the rise of your career has been fucking incredible, Trinity. Like you're so fucking talented in your own right.
And I can imagine moments like this where you are having this like Olympic run like you're so fucking talented in your own right and i can imagine moments like this where you are having this like olympic run and your name is everywhere and yes you're sitting there and people are asking you like oh is your is your dad gonna come and is your dad gonna see the game it's like why can't i just be enough how has your relationship with your dad affected your love life you know what's funny about this is that like i literally just figured out what it affected like i would say a week ago what what did it affect um i think my love language is affection and like physical touch but i think that's because i never got that from my dad and I never got that type of love and because of that he didn't show that to my brother either so my brother's very similar to my dad in the way that he loves like he's I don't want to say cold but he's not a lovey-dovey squishy person in a relationship so I don't get that from my brother or my dad so I think the way that I am in relationships I don't want to say high maintenance but I think the top priority for me is like feeling wanted and feeling like I want to be pulled in for a hug all the time like I don't want to pass you in the living room and for you to not want to touch my butt or like kiss me on the cheek or like just do something right I know people can relate to that, but I genuinely feel like that has made me crazy. I love you.
Okay, wait. Did you have any relationships where you started to be like, fuck, I need to figure my shit out in the past? Because like we've all had fucked up relationships romantically.
Like, did you see any of your family trauma seeping into your relationships that you can share with

people maybe that have similar situation to you yeah I think my first relationship I think

obviously first relationships are always like kind of a what is love what are we doing yeah

um I think then I was extremely insecure in myself and I kind of let

Thank you. what are we doing yeah um i think then i was extremely insecure in myself and i kind of let the person walk all over me in a sense but again i don't regret any relationship i think they've all helped me so much and i'm still cordial with like everyone that i've been with but i put up with a lot because i didn't have validation so i feel like it's done a 360 now but I would say I was really insecure and let a lot of shit slide back then like what like hanging out with the boys right love that sentence right right oh we're hanging out with the boys okay fuck off but it'd be like hanging out with the boys and i'd be like damn i wanted to hang out with you tonight and happens and then there's like 10 girls there i'm your girlfriend what do you mean and those are also not the boys so just something like that and even that was the weirdest thing was that my brother was best friends with him so my brother was there so it was a push and pull with him of like that's my best friend but you're my sister's crying all the time my sister is sobbing get it together i learned a lot from that relationship i think that was great and like even with that we were still like best friends in the weirdest way but i learned a lot of things of like I'm not taking that shit and I think that then helped me in my next relationship of like I felt most confident in my next relationship and then it was a different struggle of like I'm so confident and I'm so happy that now I'm like too reliant on this relationship and now I'm like isolating myself from everybody else because I'm like addicted to the feeling that he's given me, like the love and affection and like you're beautiful and all this stuff.
So that was just another issue that I had to work through. Well, I was going to say, too, I feel like a big theme throughout our conversation of like talking about your growing up and talking about your relationship with your father.
Like there has been a lot of instability in the way that he communicates with you and his actions like you even saying like the drinking problem like I remember I wrote down like at one point your dad made really had a lot of controversial moments obviously but like the one where he befriended a dictator in North Korea and like it's really not funny but like we can laugh but like you having to read that about your dad that is a lot of like one day you don't hear from him one day you're reading something on the news like yeah it that's very like destabilizing to like your reality of like your everyday this person pops in or you hear this on the news that your dad is making friends with a dictator in North Korea like how have you learned throughout the years to just like stabilize your own reality and like keep your bubble as safe as you can when all the rest around you is kind of moving it's obviously so it's just so weird and it's like so hard not to be hurt by certain things like reading things getting updates through media yeah and then people ask you and you're like you probably knew before i did or you probably honestly know more than i do yeah like it's so so so weird or just like little stuff like him not being in my life and then like other people and i'm not throwing shade at anybody but Like, remember angel reese had wore his jersey to a game and then there was a picture of them and like i'll have it like he is a really famous basketball player and like style wise everything like inspiring but i think as a daughter seeing that it's like no shade but it's like damn i wish that was me i wish i was taking a picture with him i wish i was wearing his jersey like when i wear his jersey i feel like it's not like holy shit but like when angel reese wears it it's like angel reese is wearing dennis rodman's jersey and like i think that's like a a sting to me and i don't want to sound like bitchy at all because again statement like pop off but for me as his daughter, it's like, ah, dad, what the hell? Like, it's just weird. No, it's like those are the things you have to filter.
And it's like, OK, it's fine. It's fine.
It's fine. Yeah.
But again, I think it's like I think if I'm taking anything from this, it's also like it's still a work in progress of like you. He is your biological father.
A part of you is there is is parts of him, right? And so like, you love this person in ways that you can't describe. And as much as he hurts you, there's those push and pull moments where you're like, fuck dad, why do you have to be like this? And then I also think it's really inspiring to hear you talk about like, how you're like, no, I am carving my own path.
And now can we just talk about like you as your own career?

Like you are so fucking successful.

You fucking crush it.

You have a fucking gold medal on your nightstand that you're like, I forgot where it is.

Where is it again?

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Winning and succeeding and being so successful and having sponsors and and being a woman in sports in general is so fucking hard to do. Like, how do you fucking enjoy it for yourself and don't let this bullshit get to you some days? Like, who do you celebrate with? Who do you talk to about your success, individual of your dad? I don't know.
I feel like it's really hard to celebrate it in the weirdest way like one because it's just non-stop all the time and like i'm so grateful for every opportunity but sometimes i'm just like i wish i had a moment to take a breath and be like i did that like holy so to say like who do i celebrate with i i don't know because i don't think that I really do like obviously like I I'm happy or I'll watch a clip of like the Olympics the goal I'm like oh my god like ah but it's little moments like that like it's just re-watching a clip of something but I don't think genuinely I really think or celebrate myself I think it's more so especially in interviews and stuff it's like how proud are you and it's like it's such a copy and paste answer through every interview it's just like I'm I can't even find the words I'm like a robot I'm like I'm so happy like I like it's indescribable I'm 22 and have a gold medal and it's like even in those moments It's like genuinely deep down, I feel so happy. Like I like it's indescribable.
I'm 22 and have a gold medal. And it's like even in those moments, it's like genuinely deep down.
I feel so proud of myself, but it's so repetitive and so like robotic that I can't I don't think of it that way. I'm just like say it for the media and like.
No, but I think that's like really fucking relatable. Like I think that's not like just you.
I think that if you ask a lot of people when they have such intense success I think it's so hard to try to grasp what's happening in the moment because that would mean you have to stop and I think you need time to process as a human being and I feel like it sucks in one way but you also especially as athletes it's like you got to keep fucking going because even when you win like you said what did you say to me at the beginning of this you said oh i didn't even have time to celebrate the gold because what did you go do go play for a freaking championship i'm lost that was annoying but um but you flew back to america no i literally played i think less than a week after i got back no that was that was just a lie. I lied.
I think it was like a week and a half. But I played in the first game back and it was scored.
But still, my legs were on fire and I was dying. I think women are obviously so scrutinized in general, but sports specifically, I think, has been like a huge topic recently in a great way.
But what do you think is the hardest part about being a female athlete?

Oh my gosh.

I know you're like,

do you have nine hours?

Um,

I think the recognition for one,

I think even just in conversation,

it's like,

Oh,

who do you play for a spear?

And they're like,

what's that?

I'm like,

uh,

but I'm like, I don't know know i would say recognition pay obviously like even just being on media and it's like obviously nba nfl makes way more money has way more viewers like not taking that away but i think seeing the contracts and then looking at ours i'm just like fuck i'm so grateful to be making the money that I make right now at my age, but I look and I'm just like, it's just like, but also I'd say another big thing is like the human aspect of it. Like, I just feel like with male sports, with men, it's like, they're out here going to concerts on stage going to clubs going to all this and it's like oh here this person is at a club drinking like two nights before a game and it's just like okay normal but it's like i feel like me and my teammates will go out one night on an off weekend and we're like we see a camera and we're like oh my gosh what if what if our coach finds out what if somebody posts it like and we're not even getting drunk like we're just going to like be in public and just like feel the vibe yeah just like feel like something we're just here to feel something we're dead sober we've had like half of a cocktail like drinking red bull the whole time it's like okay um no but i get what you're saying it's like the double standard of like why can't and it again though like it hasn't changed though i guess is what we're also saying it's like your dad was known for i watched the michael jordan doc on like the whatever the fuck the last something sorry oh my god all the last dance yeah the last dance sorry thank you i do know that fact it's the last dance and he's on a flight to vegas and he comes back and he shows up in the middle and he's ready for the game.
And it's like if women behaved the same way that men did, it just you wouldn't be in the position you're in because we are expected to act differently and to speak differently in media and to present ourselves differently. And it's exhausting.
And especially when you're getting to see men act a certain way and get bigger paychecks, like it fucking sucks. It sucks.
Yeah, it does. Definitely.
And I think, yeah, it's just annoying. It's just annoying.
No, but can I say, I do really respect you for sitting down with me today for a numerous amount of reasons. But when talking about the women in sports, I feel like something that as someone that used to play, but doesn't play anymore and is now in media, like I think something that can contribute to the sports growing is this, is the athletes becoming more well-known for who they are individual of the the sport? Because sports are fucking amazing.
We love sports. But who is Trinity Rodman outside of being on the field? And I think that's what gets people so fucking excited and incentivized on top of being a great big sports lover.
There may be some people I remember doing my show and people were like, oh, fuck. I watched soccer games and I I've never watched a soccer game in my life.
But I just like tuned in because like I listen to Call Her Daddy and like now I kind of love it. And it's like whatever we can do to get people to tune in, I think is so important because like women do deserve the recognition that they don't get.
So I appreciate you fucking speaking up, even if it's about something that you didn't want to talk about. Oh, no, no.
like like I appreciate too even if it makes me uncomfortable I think too like obviously like getting to know the person outside the sport but also like we are going to have a life outside of soccer like if an injury happens or when we retire like you can only play so long so it's like what is our life after that and like if we're only known for soccer it is so hard to pick up the pieces and figure out what you're doing after that. So I think for me, even growing up, like anyone close to me could tell you that I've always wanted soccer.
Like I've always wanted to be an Olympic athlete, like World Cup winner, like everything. But through everything, I've always said, I don't want soccer to be my entire bane of existence.
Like I don't want to live, die, breathe soccer. And I know a lot of athletes that do yeah respect but I just think in the future live die breathe soccer is not gonna help me in the long run and then I'm just gonna feel like I lack purpose once I'm done playing yeah and I feel like I'm trying to figure that out but yeah moments like this really help me yeah look at your personality shining you walk around with your ass out waiting for your boyfriend to smack your ass your outfit what's happening your outfit my sweat's dripping down my so i know i'm sweating okay last question what do you want your legacy in the sport to be i feel like my answer is simple just like i want to be the athlete that brought the fun to sport that's simple i don't want to be the one that scored a thousand goals like i don't need to be the athlete that brought the fun.
To sport. That simple.

I don't want to be the one that scored a thousand goals.

I don't need to be the person that was like.

She was the best athlete.

I want to be like she was a great athlete.

But she also made it fun to watch and be a part of.

Ooh.

Period.

That.

Life's too short.

Thank you so much for coming on Color Daddy.

You crushed.

Yeah. thanks for listening

to me thank you