Paris Hilton & Nicole Richie: Queens of the 2000’s

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What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy nicole richie and paris hilton welcome to call her daddy thanks bitch i am so happy we're finally doing this okay how are you guys doing today um i'm doing fab how are you you have a hard out yeah when are you leaving at three okay so we have about uh 12 minutes to go here we go we're gonna rip I'm doing fab. How are you? You have a hard out.
Yeah. When are you leaving? At three.
Okay. So we have about 12 minutes to go.
Here we go. We're going to, I'm just kidding.
Everyone listening, calm down, sit down. Okay.
By the time this comes out, Thanksgiving will be over. What are you guys doing for the holidays? Chris, Mika, New Year's, what are your plans? What are we doing? Thanksgiving I host every year.
Oh. I do the whole family and everyone's extended families, friends come over.
It's a big thing in my house and I do it every year. Are you cooking? I don't cook on Thanksgiving.
I cook every other day of the year. I cook 364 days a year, not Thanksgiving.
Why? Because I'm just being a gorge host and that is a job within itself. Love.
What about you, Paris? I'm going to be hosting as well at my house this year. So all the family is coming and we're having a big family get together.
And then we're going to go to Maui after Christmas. Oh, fun.
And for New Year's. Are you cooking? No.
I love to cook as well, but Thanksgiving is like hardcore.

That's like a lot.

I agree.

It's too hardcore and I'm like entertaining people and I've got like, it's too much.

I cooked a turkey once on my cooking show, Cooking with Paris, and it was traumatizing.

Just like pulling all the things out of it.

Not for you.

No.

We are going to get to know you guys better today.

So Paris, how would you describe nicole's personality nicole is hilarious fun i was not gonna say that i was like crazy but not in a not in like a bad way i accept the good way she's just the most fun person in the world. Like when you're with her, you just laugh every second.
She's so real. She's kind.
And she's beautiful. Okay, now how would you describe Paris? I would actually describe you as kind of the same.
You're so fun. We always have the most wild time and are always laughing.

You are also extremely tender, sentimental,

and just like always wanting everyone around you to be happy

and stunning, bitch.

Thanks, bitch.

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Okay, let's go back to your childhood.

You guys grew up in the same neighborhood, is that correct? Yes. And you guys went to the same school.
Yep. What was your first impression of each other? Do you remember? Well, we were two.
So I don't know. Two? Yes.
I didn't know you guys knew each other since you were two. Yes.
And so you guys were just inseparable since the moment you guys were like getting raised together? From day one. So we to the same school, but we also we had the same piano teacher outside of school.
We had we like had our tap recital together. Orchestra.
Oh, my God. And then we graduated on to orchestra.
And we love our orchestra teacher, Mr. Hauser, who's in.
Shout out to Mr. Hauser, who I'm sure watches this all the time.
Obviously. He's obsessed with you guys.
Yes. And he's actually in the encore.
Nicole, what do you think your reputation was in your town and at school growing up? Okay, well, I did get Class Clown in both of my schools. Okay.
What do you think your reputation was? Just like, sweet. Yeah.
Darling. Nice.
Angel. Never gets in in trouble what do you think the parents in your town thought of you of like all the kids in high school were you like when you were younger or even in middle school what were people thinking in middle school like nicole and i were only allowed to sleep at each other's houses it wasn't like we were ever staying at all the other sleepovers we weren weren't allowed.
We didn't know the parents probably as well. Our parents were really strict.
Yeah. And they just like didn't let us do all the things.
And like we also used to get treated as one. So like if the leader of our group got mad at one of us, both of us were out.
That's so nice to have a friend like that where you're like, it's both of or none of us yeah I mean we didn't even choose it it just happened and then all of a sudden like we were back in and we were like okay we is it true that you guys had your first kiss at the same party yes yeah tell me the story it was at samantha colker's house oh that was the first one that was the second one. Oh, okay.
Because I remember we were at some party. Second.
Second. This was like sixth grade and it was Sixth grade spin the bottle.
Yeah. And we both kissed like these two best friends.
Yeah. Bert and Jared? Yeah.
Cute. Bert and Jared.
Bert and Jared. Wait, what age were you for your second kiss?

Vegas?

14.

You guys are not real.

Who the fuck is going to Vegas

at 14?

We were.

You two.

We were.

Wait,

what were you doing

in Vegas?

We went,

this is actually

we were not 14.

We were younger,

but we were,

her parents,

yeah,

her parents

were going to Vegas. Okay.
Her parents were going to Vegas.

Okay.

My parents were getting divorced.

And so I, as any, you know, up-and-coming teenager would do,

I told my mom I was going to my dad's.

I told my dad I was staying with my mom.

And I went to Vegas.

And we would – like her parents would go to parties parties and we loved this musical called Starlight Express. And we would sneak into the show and we would just like watch it at night.
And then during the day we would take taxis and leave the strip and go to the Boulevard Mall to the exotic pet stores. And we would get like ferrets and chinchillas.

And then we would sneak them back into California because they're illegal here.

And when did you kiss these, I'm assuming, men, boys?

No, they were like, yeah, like 10th grade.

How did you meet them in Vegas from our school?

At the chinchilla farm?

No, I don't think they came with us to go get get the chinchillas so you had your second kiss in Vegas yeah kind of romantic very romantic and was that Burton what was his name they did not make the trip no okay who had the stricter parents growing up I know you're saying they're both strict but like who was like really hard to go to whose house to like you're you know you're not sneaking out if you go to ex's house well I had security um at the house so that I've never I was never it was sneaking out was not even an option that was impossible for your house my house was easier even though my mom was strict yeah or no it was your dad's was the easiest my dad's was the easiest he was always like on tour Yeah he was gone so that was fun the way this is like so casually you realize that childhood is like you guys have like the craziest coolest childhoods right we lived a normal childhood too like yeah as you're saying second kiss in vegas no but i think smuggling ferrets okay i'm gonna play a game with you guys because I think this is going to like really, we're going to get to know you a lot here. Ready? Okay.
Who would the better 2000s wardrobe? Me. 2000 and what? Like I don't know.
You had a sick wardrobe too, but mine was just like like so so 2000, like just the so extra of it all.

Yeah.

You are very 2000s.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it.

If you guys had to pick one 2000s trend to wear for the rest of your lives, what would

it be?

I would never do such a thing.

OK.

I would wear all my 21st birthday dress.

Love.

Yeah.

I think you said that to me last time. You love that fucking dress.
I love it. Where is that dress? In my closet.
Love. How honest were you guys when you were younger with each other when like they had a horrible outfit on? I feel like we always looked so hot.
And we would dress like twins a lot because her mom would buy us like two of the same outfit always. And we were like obsessed with doing that back in the day.

Yeah, we had to wear uniforms in school.

And then the summer program was called Summer Games.

And my mom would buy like six of the shirts that we would have to wear.

And she would put shoulder pads in them.

This is late 80s.

Shoulder pads in them and bedazzle them.

And so we would like, we would always dress as twins.

And then when we were a little bit older, like once we were 11, we would go to Contempo Casuals and Judy's and our parents would buy, like treat us like twins. They would buy us like, remember the burgundy bell-bottom dress? That was so cute.
Yes. We have to rewind.
Why shoulder pads? Because it was the eighties and like, that's just what it was very cool very cool yes who was the bigger shopaholic i would say you're very like you're like like a little more like manic and you're you're like you're like i want it all right it's my adhd as well i just i love it all but i do love to shop okay who has the worst dating history? Me.

Yeah.

Does that feel right?

Yeah.

Who was more delusional over guys when you guys were younger?

I would say me because my first real boyfriend's AOL name was Playa for the number four life. And I was devastated and shocked to my core when he cheated on me.
I couldn't believe it. I was like, where were the signs? How did you find out he cheated? So he cheated on me three times.
Once was on the Peter Pan ride at Disneyland. And I know this because every time I ride, I go to myself.a 2245 what was his handle to playa playa for life playa for life p-l-a-y-a at aol.com email him anyone wants to email him still around okay peter pan ride peter pan ride and then um one of the girls so I had like heard about it I asked him he obviously said no and then one of the girls was really nice and told got on the phone with me and told me and she was like he said that you guys were broken up I'm so sorry and then this is when conference conference had just gotten where like you could um if you had like the elevated conference, you could still get call waiting while you were on conference with somebody else.
So we called him on conference. He obviously was like, I'm not, I'm not going to admit anything.
And then we had someone call her. So she got a call waiting, flipped to the other call, came back and then he admitted it.
Horrible. Yes.
You i mean i moved on but i was like it was the i was really shook i was like i cannot believe i got cheated getting cheated on sucks oh it's horrible it's horrible have you gotten cheated on every girl has i know that's really terrible guys are assholes it's horrible it's horrible what is a bad way that you found out so you found out from a girl coming to you have you found out a different way tmz no yeah what do you do when you see that online just so pissed just like it's obviously hurts but also just like mad just like how could you humiliate me like this are you a confrontational person where you would be like calling them or you're over no you're done i'm like done and then i hate confrontation so i just would rather never speak to the person if i would like break up with someone i wouldn't even tell tell them. I just like never just leave.
Just like ghost.

I feel like, Nicole, you're confrontational.

No.

Yeah.

No, I wanted it to be like a major motion picture, like a punishment.

Yeah.

A real thing.

Tell me.

I was like, yeah, I was like, I know.

But I waited until like I was.

That was fun. Kind of.
It is waited until like I was that was fun.

Kind of.

It is fun when you look back and you're not like in the moment.

It's fun to look back at the heartbreak. But when you're in it, you're like when you're in it, it's so devastating.

You can't survive.

It affects you for life completely.

I actually saw one of the girls at a party and I was like, you know, you like rile yourself

up and your friends are like, what are you going to what are you going to do? She's coming. She's coming.
And I was like, I'm going to beat her up. Okay.
I've never hit anyone in my life. And then like, finally, like, you know, you're saying it for so long and then she got there.
So the whole party was like, Nicole, she's here. She's here.
And I was like, ah, and I like walked up to her. I don't even know what I thought I was going to do.

And her friend literally just went like this.

Bing.

And I flew across the party.

I didn't have a chance.

And anyway, we ended up going to college together.

So she's my friend, kind of.

You're like, bye.

Never mind.

Wait, now you're friends?

Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen her in like.

Loose.

Yeah.

But if I saw her, I'd be like, oh, my God.

Yeah. Play up for life, ruined my life.
Play up for life. Yeah.
Who was the bigger flirt back then? You, I think. Yeah.
Love. I would flirt, but it was more to like humiliate them.
Like more than like an aggressive. Nicole.
Not in like a like. Sweet.
Yeah. I wasn't.
You're going to ruin your life. And then some.
When the two of you guys would be out, like, would you be the person that would go up to the guys? Like if you're at a club, you guys want to like infiltrate a table. Are you going up? No, everyone was trying to infiltrate our table.
OK. We didn't have to go up to anyone.
They just wanted to come up to us. I have to say our focus wasn't really like guys.
We didn't have to. That was not like we

always just wanted to have fun, have fun. And then the guys would come and you're like, oh, this is nice.
Like this is a fun little thing. Yeah.
Did you guys ever fall for the same person or like the same person ever? He's had opposite taste. OK, tell me what what was your type back then people who cheat I guess assholes yeah assholes i guess play us what was your type just people who are cute

or hot no no no you think you were dating nice guys no not like cute like like looks wise like

just people people who are hot and some people were good but there was it's la so yeah yeah yeah

Thank you. like cute like like looks wise like just people people who are hot and some people were good but there was it's LA so yeah yeah yeah you get both we didn't you say once in the simple life that you liked men to look like they were dying yes yes I did say that if I saw a bunch of like people that you talked to when you were younger like did they there was there a theme of them actually looking like skinny and frail and ill? No, I mean, I sadly I think I just said that to like gross Janet out.
I don't think I really meant it. So you weren't you weren't going for like a specific looks wise type? No.
Whose husband is more likely to crash a girl's night out? Do you guys ever go out together?

Crash a girl's night out.

Um, Joel, I think would get annoyed at like so many girls all at one time.

Yeah.

Carter never goes out.

So neither of them are coming.

I don't think they're coming.

Wait, how did you meet Joel?

A friend set us up.

Yeah.

Wait, had you ever like dabbled with musicians at that point? No, I had not dabbled with musicians. But our friend set us up not in a serious way at all.
She was like, you're single and he's single. So this is probably not going to be serious, but you guys should hang out.
And we, um, I don't know if you've met Joel before. I think you did because quickly.
Yes, yes, yes. But Joel is very shy, very shy.
Yes. So the first night I met him, he actually didn't speak to me.
And I was like, this is my husband. Yeah.
You're like, this is how I know it's going to be good. I was like, this is the man for me.
Stop. And do you think he was into it first? Yes.
He ended up texting. Yeah.
Or email. I don't know.
Whatever. Yeah.
Whatever was happening back then. AOL.
Play it for life. What was your AIM? okay okay um my first name was princess nr because i had a dog named princess okay then um i got a second name ballerina girl nr because ballerina girl is a song that my dad wrote and the song is after me so i just like like made that my, my name.
Okay. So anyway, one day I was like, we were exchanging, um, screen names or whatever, like to, to like a group of friends.
And it was, this is like when it was new. So we were like calling each other by their names, you know? And I was like, and so like, we sat there for an hour and was like, okay, later, like whatever, whatever later, dah, dah, dah.
And I was like, and then they looked at me and they go, see you later. Baller in a girl.
And I said, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. Baller in a girl.
I said, I cannot believe for a straight hour. You thought that my name was baller in a girl.
so now some of my friends still call me that baller in a girl baller in a girl that anyone would think that imagine you calling yourself a baller yeah and honestly I have ever since so what was yours beautiful blonde baby girl are you fucking lying no beautiful blonde baby girl yeah i am obsessed with my email name yes yeah that's one of them other one's princess ph another one's barbie 420 so wait so you're emailing people is like from beautiful blonde baby girl that is like you

have to have some confidence paris yes love yeah love baller and a girl and beautiful blonde

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From the producers of Megan and producers of A Quiet Place, audiences will be on the edge of their seats. Don't miss Drop, hitting theaters on April 11th.
This episode is supported by FX's Dying for Sex, starring Michelle Williams and Jenny Slate. Inspired by a true story, this series follows Molly, who after receiving a terminal cancer diagnosis, decides to leave her husband and explore the full breadth of her sexual desires.
She gets the courage and support to go on this sex quest from her best friend, Nikki, who stays by her side through it all. FX is Dying for Sex, all episodes streaming April 4th on Hulu.
Back to Joel. So you meet him, you're, when did you meet Joel? Like when did Paris get introduced? Was it the same night? I don't know.
I feel like it was like it was around Thanksgiving weekend.

And it was like pretty fast.

I feel like when you met him.

It was.

What did you think of them together?

I loved it.

You did.

Yeah.

I just thought they were so cute.

It was on dot com from the day we hung out.

Like Joel is so sweet.

He's so loyal.

Like he's just one of those types of guys that's like completely different than like an different than an LA guy. Yeah, love.
Were you a fan of Good Charlotte? I was a fan of Good Charlotte. And he also, when he asked me to go to his house, he hates when I tell this story.
He asked me, he was like, do you want to come over and watch TV? And I was like, yeah, I do. And he goes, do you watch The Wire? Never seen The Wire in my life.
I go, The Wire is my favorite show. He goes, great.
Why don't you come over and watch it? Now, listen, obviously The Wire is an amazing show. Okay.
I'm not dissing The Wire, but okay. I'm a girl.
He just like threw me into like season three. There's no music.
And I, for a very long time, pretended like I watched and loved The Wire. When did you break it to him? I think like a few years after.
Years? Yeah, we had kids. Nicole! But we have since rewatched The Wire.
And Joel's from Baltimore. Joel's from Maryland.
So it's one of our go-to shows. That's cute.
But it always reminds me of when we first met because I really threw myself into that show. It is crazy.
I have done the same thing where I've lied about liking something for a guy. And I'm like, then you get yourself into it.
And you're like, I didn't think it would go this far. And then you're like, they're going to think I'm a full liar if I admit to this.
Because like, I've been watching, like I'm on the seventh episode. And I'm like, oh my God, he's so funny.
Yeah, I didn't know he was going to say, do you want to watch it tomorrow? I was like, oh God. Okay, great.
See you there. Paris, have you ever lied to like, like something for a guy? And then been like, why like why the fuck did I do that like sports sometimes are you a big sports person or not at all no like I like playing sports like I like playing ice hockey I like going to ice hockey games I just some games are boring and I just don't like it um okay sorry back to my game um who is throwing the best party I don't really I, I don't throw parties.
I don't like people in my, not like wild parties. Like you would throw parties.
I throw crazy parties. I love.
You do. The time I interviewed, you were setting up for a Christmas party.
Oh my God, that was almost a year ago. How insane is that? I know, times went too fast.
You throw great parties. You don't like people.
I throw parties now, but when I was younger, I did not throw wild parties at my house. Because you just didn't want people around you in your house.
Yeah, I didn't want anyone stealing my things or anything. You don't care if people are wandering in your house? No, I don't want people stealing my things either.
But sometimes people do. People have literally taken framed photos and put them in their purses.
My security has went up to them and been like, excuse me, can I have that photo? Dude, that's fucking insane. People like feel and especially if people like get a drink in them, they feel like I love this place.
And they start like doing weird shit in your house. Yeah.
And like lighting cigarettes, like ashing all over the floor. I'm like, are you like I have children that live here? No, no, no.
That's not that's not the vibe okay um which one of you is more likely when you were younger to like pull through with plans for the night you're like i've got the spot i know where we're going it was like a schedule it was a schedule yeah you do the schedule like mondays was joseph's right what is joseph's was like guys wednesdays was las palmas yep thursdays was like concord or

lax yeah there was just all these clubs it was like a schedule just go like where all your friends went and that's what we would do would you guys go out every single night not saturdays and sundays those days are for losers what we saturday and i feel like saturday is like the night no that's loserville what was the best night to go out thursday yeah i'm learning so much nicole what is your wildest interaction with paparazzi once i i was hospitalized i got crashed into oh i didn't know that yeah oh my god you were into you? Yes. I'm so sorry.
Yeah. My son was like six weeks old.
He was not in the car.

Thank God. Thank God.
Yeah. When you look back at that, like how do you feel about that time in your life? I feel like at the time you it was very hard to implement any sort of like boundaries because the world was not really acting like you deserved that at all.
And I was so young and just like, didn't know how to stand up for myself like that. So I was just like, I was just, I like, I accepted a lot more, which I think is very common for your 20s of just like accepting that things that that I would never accept now.
That's traumatizing. I know, obviously, like you've talked about it occasionally of like, not occasionally a lot, like you've been very outspoken in a good way of like, this is really dangerous of like what those people were doing back in the day.

And then it's kind of fucked up when people are like, yeah, but you guys were asking for it. Like you loved it.
Like what do you say to that? I don't say I'm like, if that's what you want to believe. Yeah.
Do it. Fuck off.
I don't fucking care. What is one of the crazier experiences you've had with paparazzi? Well, just when I used to live on Kings Road, like right above Sunset Plaza, they would just wait outside my house from morning till night and just follow me from the second I woke up till I went home at night.
And there would be some times where I would wanting to go to a friend's house and I didn't want them knowing their address. So I would literally be driving like 100 miles per hour, just trying to get away from them.
There'd be 20 cars all chasing me. and I just remember just like sometimes turning around just being like guys like leave me the fuck alone and they would just not stop so that would just drive me crazy because it would just get so dangerous with like all these like strange men just like following me all the time or like going through my trash or people like jumping over the gate and just like it was just so invasive all the time no that like creates like an intense form of paranoia I'm sure like you can't you have to worry about what you put in your trash everything just like them shooting through the windows just like it was just creepy I'm so happy I live in a gated community now because it's just like and your gated community when I tried to find your house Paris there's no cell service there and, hello.
And then I'm like, this freak driving down. There's like a man walking down.
I was like, I'm trying to go to Paris Hilton's house. He's like, we've got a freak on the loose.
He probably was like breaking in. No, your house is, you are, you're good to go.
You're safe. Okay.
Sorry to bring that down for a second. But it is interesting to hear about like what you guys had to go through.
Okay. I know this like vague but if you can try to give the daddy gang a story what do you think is one of the most iconic nights out that you guys had together when you look back and you're like fuck that was insane like the two of us went all out it was so fun or something horrible happened or something disastrous or fun or funny like anything we did go through a stage where we would wear shoes with wheels on them.
And we would roller skate all night.

And I this was at the same time I had my ball python Cleopatra and she would come with me as well. What? So I had a ball python.
Her name was Cleopatra. She was Gorge.
And I would wear her around my neck like a necklace and we'd put on our shoes with wheels and

we would like roller skate all night would you go out with this with Cleopatra of course you would go in public with a snake around you as a choker no it's like a little collar like a collar necklace Wait, and no one stopped you?

Stopped me from what?

Being gorge?

No. Nicole.
Oh, my God. You never were like, oh, my God, my python is about to fucking rip the necks of everyone around me? No.
No, she loved being with me. She was so, I miss her.
Okay, so you're talking about Heelys, right? Or no, these are different. No, this

is like pre-Heelys, yeah.

You were whipping.

Would you ever wear them to the club? Yeah,

that's what I'm saying. You're in the club with Heely?

Yes, yes.

Because you could press the button and they would go in

and out. They would just like, yeah.

So we would come and like swoop-de-doo

all night. I'm obsessed.
They were

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Did you ever get in trouble by your parents together?

In Vegas when we were 11.

In Vegas when you were 11?

No, we were like 12.

11 and a half.

We were like 13 and we were with these guys and they're like, do you want to go to the strip?

And it was New Year's Eve.

And we were like, okay.

So we were on the Las Vegas strip. Then these cops came up to us and they're like, how old are you? And we're like 21.
And they're like, no, let's see your IDs. How old are you really? And we're like 18.
And he's like, how old are you really? What's your names? And I was like, my name's Jennifer Pearlstein. Her name is Leslie.
And they're just like, where are you staying? And they kept asking us a million questions. And then Nicole's like, actually, you told us.
Well, I actually don't think we said 21. I think we said we're 15 because we in our minds thought that was old.
We changed it. We did.
Yes. And we didn't have big ideas.
Yeah. And so they were like, they were like, what's's your name I think you said Jenny Stone because we went to school with her stop poor Jenny Jenny parents are getting a call um and they were like we're going to arrest you if you don't tell us your parents name so then they came your parents came they got us your dad who's the kindest sweetest most soft-spoken man turned to us I'll never forget it and he goes I knew this was a bad idea like screaming at us he's like I knew this was a bad idea you lied to us and you were never hanging out again cut to the simple life we got separated a lot remember when I had a piano my piano lesson at my house and I like didn't want they were like okay it's time for because we were always at each other's houses so it was like okay it's time for the piano lesson you guys have to stop Paris has to go home and we were like no we don't want to and so we were holding hands and they were like come on guys come on and my nanny like was pulling me and like my housekeeper was pulling her.
And then we grabbed this hand and this hand and someone who was holding our legs up. So we were just like flying to the floor.
I'll never forget that. Yeah, that was so fun.
So fun. Yeah.
I can't. The fact that you guys like, no, we're 15.
Meanwhile, that's like old in your mind. You're 11.
I was like, no, I think we were like 11. But we didn't do anything.
We weren't doing anything. We were just out past curfew.
Classic. Just like.
Except you're on the Vegas Strip. Yeah, but we were just like being cute and we wanted to go to the Mirage and see the Tigers.
Yeah. Yeah.
Classic, classic. Okay.
I have to ask, though, because you just mentioned your dad being like, you're never doing doing that again cut to the simple life why we're here obviously aside from like I love you guys um let's talk about the simple life we're getting an encore we're getting a three-part series we're getting what do we want to call it I call it a reunion special love yeah okay can we go back to the first original before we get to the reunion because obviously the original was so iconic Paris can you talk to me about like how was the show originally pitched to you of like the simple life because it is so iconic and will be forever iconic they didn't tell me where we were going to go they basically just said we want you to go somewhere and we're going to take away your phones and your money and credit cards and you're just going to go somewhere and they didn't say anything like they didn't say like you're going to be working jobs like i i don't how did they it was just like you're going to go somewhere and take away everything yeah they told us nothing nothing we didn't know we were flying like even on the jet flying over there. They didn't tell us.
We didn't know until we landed. We so hold on.
Producers pitch you this idea and you two do it together and you're both like sounds good. And you get on a private plane.
Yeah. And you fly to what was the first place you went? Arkansas.
Arkansas. Altus.
Love. And you then just start filming.
We start filming the moment we got on the plane, I think. Oh, interesting.
Okay. Or I think the night before because we had a goodbye party.
Yeah, the goodbye party and they're filming like packing and all that. Now, obviously, the premise is you guys like doing like jobs each episode and you're like doing a job.
Had you guys ever had a real job prior to that? No, no. You were.
I was I was a skating school instructor and I was very good. You were.
Yeah. Love that for you.
OK, you guys have a little song that you liked to sing throughout filming. Can you guys remind us of how it goes? OK, well, let me just tell you this song is beautiful.

And I did talk to you about all

of our musical talents.

But what I didn't say is that we wrote

this song ourselves

when we were seven.

If you can believe it. I mean, the talent

in this room. It's really

bursting. I have chills

just from talking about it. Okay.
I'm going to

close my eyes. Come on.
Give me a little tune. Ready? Okay.
San-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san, san-a-san. San-a-san! The ending can get pretty loud sometimes.
So you wrote this when you're seven. Can you die? I mean, it's kind of like a work of art.
It is. What did your dad say when he heard it for the first time? He was like jealous and wanted to put it on his album.
And I was like, no. Pay me, bitch.
Pay me, bitch. Let me, before I want to actually talk about this.
You guys stopped talking at one point. I don't know if this is a sort of topic, but I to ask about it you guys were like not filming together in season four for the simple life right what the fuck happened be real with me don't give me a PR answer you little shit it's not gonna be good enough for you because it really isn't like it's never good enough for people okay what happened it's not even like there's nothing nothing really happened I mean I mean, go ahead.
Back then, the media was just so toxic and they loved starting feuds between people because obviously that sold tabloids. So it was mostly just the media just spinning things and creating drama that didn't even exist, which was normal during the 2000s.
They did it with everyone. It's that combined with like, and we are in our 20s and we had no time, like it wouldn't happen now because, you know, I think like we were just so young that we didn't even know like how to communicate with each other.
So like, you know, if we were hearing something, we just would assume, is that true? Is that not true? And we didn't have the communication skills that we have now to like have check-ins, which is so important. Yeah.
No, I can see that. Like you guys seeing things in tabloids and it like, obviously I feel like whenever there's a duo, people want to break a duo up and it's like pitting each other

against each other, like who's better at this and who's better at this. And it's like, does it make

you sad when you look back that it like the media fucked with your guys relationship that heavily? It makes me yes. I mean, it makes me sad.
Like, whatever. I don't care about the media.
It makes me like sad to think about a time without my friend. I think that it has really helped me in my communicating at this stage in my life.
And, you know, I think just with all relationships, like it's so important to have check-ins and to be honest and real and, you know, tender with the people that you love the most. Yeah.
I mean, I think that's even applicable to like social media. Like I bet people see in college or high school or whatever, you're like, oh my God, this friend went to this party and I didn't get invited and everything can be misconstrued because we're posting like half versions of what's going on and you can feel so upset and frustrated if you're not included in something or you hear a rumor from someone and it's like half of it is usually never true.
Who reached out first to clear the air? How did you guys like come back together? We were friends for a long time before anyone even knew because our our families are friends, you know, and so like like we've been we've been friends our entire lives. So, you know, when you're like, and I don't mean to belittle it at all, but when you're like talking about some fight, like I watched, you know, I watch it with like other 20 year olds that I know.
And they're, they're like going through a little thing and then they're back going through a little thing and then they're back. But because ours was a part of a TV show, it just blew up to be something that was so big that it became impossible to like connect to or have any sort of like real like feeling around it, you know, because like it just became so and is like, you know, we're sitting here talking about it now, you know, and I'm like, yeah, like I there's nothing that like lives in the on the surface in me.
Like I, you know, I have to really like, I don't know. It was just it it became something that was like otherworldly.
Yeah. It was like bigger than you guys were like, wait, we're back as friends and people like me still asking you about it to this day.
Because, again, I think the media makes it like they had out and you guys yeah we got like in a fight and then as friends we got back together like me my best friend will fight and be like okay what time are we getting dinner yes it's totally yeah okay that makes sense um okay so you guys are back tell me everything how did you guys decide to do this three-part series like tell me everything It was during Christmas last year. It was last year.
I think so, yeah. Last year.

And we were texting. to do this three-part series? Like, tell me everything.
It was during Christmas last year.

It was last year.

I think so, yeah.

Last year.

And we were texting.

And I was like, can you believe it's about to be

the 20th anniversary of The Simple Life?

Like, that's so crazy.

And I had gotten a DM from Braxton, who's the little boy.

He was like the little three-year-old on the show.

And he was telling me that he had just passed the bar exam and he's now a lawyer. So I was sending Nicole the message from him and just reminiscing with her.
And then... And we were, you know, I mean, this is all over text.
So I said, should we do something? And Paris wrote back, should we? And, um, and I said, okay, let's, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it over, over the new year.
I mean, it was the first time that I think we both really like considered cause we both have had people come to us and be like, do you want to do it again? And we're like, no, what? You can't do that again. It's not realistic, you know? And no, that time was so special and it just was.
And it was really nice, like, because there wasn't anyone else on the call. It was just the two of us.
And for that, I would say two weeks where it was like just us, Carter and Joel knew you came over, we had tacos and we just like talked about if we were to celebrate, you know, the 20 year anniversary, what would that look like? And, you know, that, that, that part was very nice. I mean, the whole thing's been nice, but like that part was very special because no one even knew.
Well, I think like, that's why we're all so excited is it's like to see you guys back on camera together. And even though it's just like a three-part series that's like more than we could have ever asked for because I think people never thought we were going to get that again so thank you guys for doing that for all of us um we and you for the first episode you fly back to Arkansas yes can I say on sliving air is that a thing sliver sliver I asked everyone is it.
I asked everyone, is it pink or no? Your plan is. It's going to be soon.
We're getting the whole thing redone and pink. I'm obsessed.
What do you think the Simple Life legacy is going to be? The most iconic show to ever exist. Wrapping up, because I know you have to fucking go.
You're like, 12 minutes are up. Can you talk to me a little bit though about like how your guys friendship has evolved over time because obviously you guys saying like you met at two years old you were friends all through basically like your whole life on and off in moments obviously as friends do now doing this again together like you're both moms um how has your relationship evolved it's been amazing I mean And it's just been so we were talking about even before we started and you were like, how has it been, you know, doing press, you know, with with like your friend and just the whole thing.
And it's just been so amazing. It really has like spending time with my friend, but also working together, going out into the world and doing press together,

which is a very nerve wracking thing.

Yes.

And it's been so nice.

I was talking to you about it last weekend.

I was saying,

I wish we could just do everything together

because it's just so fun.

And like, you know,

it's just like makes it like we laugh the whole time.

No, I'm so happy that I got to sit down with you guys. We love you.
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