Spencer Pratt: How to Be Famous (FBF)

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Speaker 1 Spencer Pratt, you will obviously never be as relevant as you were. How does that make you feel?

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Fuck you. Fuck this interview.
This stupid podcast. Fuck this.
Shit's already here. Is he actually leaving?

Speaker 1 What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 3 okay here we go

Speaker 3 mr

Speaker 3 cry

Speaker 4 oh my gosh look at this outfit I love it oh my god so nice to meet you attacking me oh my god the devil well the second I get in my car it's never happened my life it says engine coolant I'm like what the fuck does that mean so go to the gas station I'm like oh buy engine coolant I put it in and it's like spraying out I call VMW service they're like you need to tow it right now you're like I gotta go to call call her daddy.

Speaker 3 Oh, fuck the car.

Speaker 3 Oh my god. Okay, do you, can you mic yourself up immediately? Because we're getting into this.

Speaker 4 This is very fancy.

Speaker 3 Wait, isn't it cute? It's my Spencer, it's the first time I'm using these.

Speaker 4 I feel honored.

Speaker 3 I'm honored because I knew you were someone that would know how to put it on and use it.

Speaker 4 I usually let them do it. That's like the perks.

Speaker 3 So I should have done it. Okay, we're going over here to make a drink.

Speaker 4 You didn't even get good to kilo. This is embarrassing.

Speaker 4 I won't actually touch these bottles.

Speaker 3 Wait, are you serious?

Speaker 4 Oh, I can't be on camera with that low.

Speaker 3 Wait, what do you drink?

Speaker 4 I mean, I was bootleg enough would be like class of Zuls as low as we're gonna go.

Speaker 3 This is all I had from like a random.

Speaker 3 I'll watch.

Speaker 4 I'm not, you're not getting me on camera. Hold on.
I mean, this was, I drank this in.

Speaker 3 Wait, do I have anything else?

Speaker 3 Spencer, I changed it.

Speaker 4 This is 1942. Come on.
Spotify, what is going on?

Speaker 3 Budget cuts. I have a champagne bottle.
Okay, so Spencer, right off the bat, is just shitting on me for not having

Speaker 4 that car coolant.

Speaker 3 I was a lot more. Okay, yeah, let's talk about what hopping.

Speaker 4 Alright, so I get in the car. I was going to be very early.
I was going to sit in the car, meditate, just visualize the best freaking podcast ever. And I get in the car and it says engine coolant.

Speaker 4 I'm like, I'm not a mechanic, but this seems bad. So I go to the car place real quick.
I'm like, I need engine coolant.

Speaker 2 I'm very late to the biggest podcast of my life, statistically.

Speaker 4 statistically.

Speaker 4 And so he's like, oh my god, it's leaking everywhere. And I'm like, pour more in.
So we pour more. And I call BMW.

Speaker 2 They're like, you need to tow it here, right?

Speaker 4 I'm like,

Speaker 4 I'm not towing it. They're like, the car could shut down on you on the way there.
I'm like, well, then it's going to shut down because I'm not missing this.

Speaker 5 Let's pop the Dom.

Speaker 3 Okay. Do you want to pop the Dom?

Speaker 4 I mean, I'll drink that.

Speaker 3 Okay, let's do that. Let's do that.
That's a better way to go about it.

Speaker 1 Okay, I feel like you should do the honors.

Speaker 4 You know, here's the thing I've learned, because Heidi is a professional champagne bottle opener.

Speaker 2 I used to like the excitement of

Speaker 3 my camera.

Speaker 4 Yeah, and she's like, No, you're not even supposed to have like barely a noise. It's not a game to like, you know, you guard that you come in like that.

Speaker 4 You treat it like that because people are always, oh, you're gonna.

Speaker 4 So, the key, what I've been taught is you just slowly,

Speaker 4 it's less exciting, but

Speaker 2 let's not waste this money.

Speaker 2 Wow.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 3 kicking off the Caller Daddy podcast. Beautiful.
Cheers.

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Speaker 4 I am so honored to be involved with your mafia.

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Sinser, you are popping off on TikTok. I need to know what is your strategy.

Speaker 4 It was drinking, and then that's why I haven't been TikToking.

Speaker 3 Well, here's what happened.

Speaker 4 Here's what happened. I don't know how it happened.
So what people loved to, so I had to stop because Heidi was like, you play the hills in the house anymore. Like, I'm gonna choke you.

Speaker 4 Like, she can't even, it's like nails on a chalkboard. So, and I'm like, honey, these are going viral.
Like, this one just did a meal in like 10 minutes. And she's like, I don't care.

Speaker 4 Like, stop talking about this. I'm like, it's relevant to a niche micro audience, honey.

Speaker 3 So that is fucking cool.

Speaker 4 It's a hard balance because I'm also blowing up all these people that I can't stand.

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 So it's like, do I like? I'm like, oh, the views, but I'm like, nobody.

Speaker 3 I kind of love that Heidi's like, Spencer, knock it the fuck off. And you're like, can't hear you, a million views, gotta go.

Speaker 4 This is so delicious. Spencer? I can't believe you don't have a charcuterie plate though for us.

Speaker 3 Okay, we're going upstairs to the interview. Are you ready? Should we bring this or no? Let's leave it.
You need to drive home in your fucked up car.

Speaker 5 Oh, no, I'm towing it. Oh, here?

Speaker 3 You're towing it here.

Speaker 3 Oh, you're towing it here?

Speaker 2 I wasn't supposed to get here.

Speaker 3 Is Heidi picking you up?

Speaker 4 I said I would

Speaker 4 black Uber X.

Speaker 3 You know, I sensor. It's all about the money.
Let's go upstairs. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 All right.

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Oh my God.

Speaker 1 Do you believe in God?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Okay.
But I mean, Heidi like took it to the next level because she's like a preacher. Really? Like, I was trying to be in the Illuminati when I met Heidi.

Speaker 2 Were you really? Oh, 100%. I didn't realize they're like drinking blood and

Speaker 2 all the weird. I thought it was just like sex parties, like eyes wide shut.
Oh, right. Everybody older than, you know, 18.
Totally.

Speaker 1 You wanted to be a part of the sex parties.

Speaker 2 Not just the party, but like that. That perk.
Like the Tom Cruise movie. Like that looks, you know, pretty like minus like people disappearing.
It looks like

Speaker 2 my vibe.

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Speaker 2 I mean, it hit me too. I don't know.
It's good AC in here, but it was. I feel like I almost fainted.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 Spencer Pratt, welcome to Caller Daddy.

Speaker 2 I am so honored.

Speaker 1 You grew up in California going to school with celebrities and celebrities' kids. Who was the first famous person you remember meeting in your life?

Speaker 2 Oh, hands down, Meryl Streep. I was on the set of Death Becomes Her, I think is the title, where she's like falling apart.
So shout out. She would deny knowing me at this point.

Speaker 2 But I think her name was Mamie Gummer.

Speaker 2 We were VFFs. We were very young.
We would go set, and it was Meryl Streep, and I would be chilling on set. So, yeah.

Speaker 1 I did not expect that answer. That's fucking baller.

Speaker 2 Oh, I mean, I went to Crossroads. The list

Speaker 2 goes on, but that's like

Speaker 2 the main. The cooler, just in this mansion.
And, you know, I mean, then it's next thing you know, I'm having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton, you know. So, I mean, like, my.

Speaker 1 Wait, you have to clarify. You're having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton.

Speaker 2 What are you saying? So, my best friend, Charlie,

Speaker 2 his parents were best friends with the Clintons from Arkansas. And so, when I was a kid, you know, I'd always sleep over at Charlie's house, but one night, you know, you know, I was pre-checked.

Speaker 2 You know, I knew this was going to happen. So Secret Service did their thing.
I think I was a safe 14-year-old or whatever. And so, yeah, I don't know, Slumber Priority.

Speaker 2 I was in the kitchen with Hillary. You know, it was wild.

Speaker 1 So you reference your high school and how you were surrounded by like a lot of famous people. What were you like in high school? And what did the other kids think about you?

Speaker 2 Well, I try to say that I am exactly, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons, but I would say I'm the exact same person that I've always been, and I haven't changed.

Speaker 2 So, you know, I had just as many people that didn't like me back then. You know, I had, you know, enemies putting up, you know, dicks drawn on my face around town, you know.

Speaker 2 So I came in it like hot, you know. So I think because, you know, for my private school world, soccer was our big sport.
We didn't have a football team.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I was, for my world really good at soccer so i was on the older teams so

Speaker 2 you know when i was 15 all the seniors i was rolling with them so i you know i everything got fast forward like when i watch i don't watch euphoria when i see cliffs i'm like oh my god this is the disney channel compared to like la and growing up you know now it's crazier because you just die fentanyl and whatever so it's a little it's definitely like darker now so i i pray for these kids but um it was amazing i everyone's always like oh why don't you like write it like people that know me you should write a memoir i'm like

Speaker 2 like no way

Speaker 2 you wouldn't well right now i just found all these tapes and i was like maybe i just cut together like heidi was calling it selling spencer was because i really have just been trying to sell myself for all these years not my soul though that's the one thing i've i've stayed strong that's why i'm not rich and famous is because i didn't cross that tier of what would have crossing that tier looked like though because i think to the world it looks like you sold it oh no there's a whole nother Satanism level that, you know, I didn't unlock.

Speaker 3 Like, what would you do?

Speaker 2 I mean, I, what do they do?

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 2 These people that you just, they're not upfront with it, but there's a, I'm, we're talking a spiritual level, not like, oh, what you say on

Speaker 2 the show. Like, these people are going.

Speaker 1 Okay, so it's interesting because I feel like what you were saying about being in high school, like, you were always kind of this like polarizing figure.

Speaker 1 There are going to be people that like me, and then there are going to be people that don't like me, and that's okay. But when you were younger, did you ever get in trouble for your temper?

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 well, in one soccer game, you know, backstory. So, in high school, you know, we went to GNCs.
You get protein powders, you get anything.

Speaker 2 So, at the time, there was this product called Rip Fuel. And I was like, that's every brand I want to be ripped and fuel.
So, and they had a strawberry flavor one.

Speaker 2 So, I was hitting Rip Fuel before games.

Speaker 2 You know, you just mix in your water. It's legal.

Speaker 2 It's like Gatorade for me or whatever. You know, I never drink Gatorade, though.
It's not brought to you by Gatorade. I can't be promoing Gatorade.

Speaker 2 So yeah, I was all pumped up on Rip Fuel, you know, and it's very competitive. And I was taking this very serious.

Speaker 2 And so this was the semifinals. And

Speaker 2 there was like a team little meeting the night before the game that this coach who no longer the coach for a reason shout out Fed, the new coach.

Speaker 2 So the seniors didn't go to this team meeting that was unnecessary the night before a game. So the next day,

Speaker 2 biggest game of the senior year, semifinals, he benches all eight of the best players, the seniors, hands down, the best players, including myself. We're now losing at half, like 2-0.

Speaker 2 You know, I'm pacing the side of the thing. I'm like, this is like, we get it.
Like, and he wanted to make a point, like, we don't need you.

Speaker 2 Like, he thought they were going to do fine with like whatever. So finally, at halftime, we go back in.
I go in, score two goals, tie it up, so pumped up, score a third goal. Now, we're winning.

Speaker 2 He goes sub, he tries to pull me out. I'm like, I don't know if I flicked him off or whatever.
I'm like, you know, I must have been being like, what's up?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, I mean, the crowd, this is back when people care, you know, you know, like, living, you know, this was our Friday night lights, right? Right. It was probably on Friday, too.

Speaker 2 And so, you know, I went to the sideline and, you know, maybe got in the coach's face. And my mom ran on the field.
My mom, you know, this was crazy what he did.

Speaker 2 So my mom backed me up, but I didn't hit anybody. I didn't, there was no, it was just yelling.
He's yelling back. So I get called in because they're maybe going to suspend me.

Speaker 2 And they're like, you were acting very pumped up. Like, were you on something? I'm like, yeah, Rip Fuel.
And they're like, what's Rip Fuel?

Speaker 2 Can you bring this in to like the principal office, Tom Nolan, Bob Riddle just retired? Bye-bye, Bob.

Speaker 2 So I bring in the Rip Fuel and they read the back of it and it had ephedrin in it, which is now illegal. And they decided it was like speed.
So I would just dose up on, you know, rip fuel.

Speaker 2 See, so that got me not suspended or expelled. But other than that, like, no, I was a teacher.
I have tight with all the teachers.

Speaker 1 So you got to blame your behavior on Rip Fuel.

Speaker 2 I mean, it was, it was a stimulant.

Speaker 1 Totally. Was anyone else taking it with you?

Speaker 2 The whole team.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. But I mean, I was more pumped up.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 who was your first famous friend?

Speaker 2 Like, we kicked it with all the, like, the first famous person we started kicking it with

Speaker 2 was Paris Hilton. Peak, the most famous person on the planet.
That was when I saw, like, firsthand, real deal, new modern tabloid fame.

Speaker 2 Because, I mean, I had grown up with, you know, A-list celebrity parents, and I saw that's more low-key. And it hadn't, this was peak, Paris coming in the game, tabloid cover, energy, paparazzi.

Speaker 2 And I will always say, you know, I'm not close with her. I don't know her, you know, da-da-da, but she was so consistently nice.
And like,

Speaker 2 she didn't even need to, like, I'm like entourage hanger on her, like, Rando, and still got treated with, you know,

Speaker 2 so I'll always say, you know, shot, good for you.

Speaker 1 That Paris Hilton era was the beginning of it all with paparazzi. Like, do you think that sparked something in you of like, damn.

Speaker 2 No, I wasn't in the middle. I was telling people at age 16, bringing in us weekly covers, telling folks, get ready.
I'm going to be on the cover of us weekly. And people are like, what is this?

Speaker 2 My mom always had tablets. So I grew up with tablets around the house, but nobody appreciated them like I did.
So I was

Speaker 2 free Paris. I was already coming hot.
Like, there was no doubt in my mind.

Speaker 1 You were going to be on those tabloids. Okay, but in your head, Spencer, what were you thinking you were going to be on the tablets for?

Speaker 2 I had no idea, but I was like, I'm going to be famous.

Speaker 2 These famous people have it so figured out.

Speaker 2 I mean, because when you grow up seeing how famous people live, like, you, you know, as a just eyes on, like the reservation, that's world's over, by the way.

Speaker 2 Like, people are like, oh, he's so thirsty. He still wants to be famous.
Like, fame isn't even cool anymore.

Speaker 2 Now, I would love to have it, but it's still not, you know, 90s to early 2000s when these people lived. I mean, they were taking helicopters, landing on, just the rules have changed to the game.

Speaker 2 So what I grew up thinking fame was is so different. Like, I wouldn't grow up now and be like, oh, all due respect to TikTok.

Speaker 2 I love being viral on TikTok, but I don't think I'll be like, oh my God, I want to be a viral TikToker as what I was chasing.

Speaker 1 Like, if you had grown up in Ohio, like, do you think because of where you grew up and what you were around is why you wanted to be famous?

Speaker 2 Because you got to be a family. Oh, 100%.
Like, I think in Ohio, one of these other states, I would have ended up in like Delta Force and gone in the military or been a spy or something.

Speaker 2 Yeah, that was my brand. That's why I don't have tattoos because that was always like, well, if I am going to be Jason Bourne, you can't have tattoos.
So, you know, like, I was like deep.

Speaker 2 But the problem was I lived in the Palisades. I was like, get killed or like go to Nobu.
Right.

Speaker 1 I want to go to Nobu, not have to go and like.

Speaker 2 In a different state, that's the energy I have.

Speaker 1 Okay, I was looking this up and nowhere is this story. When and how did you meet Brodie Jenner?

Speaker 2 Rewind to eighth grade.

Speaker 2 I won't say her last name. Maybe she's anonymous.
Heather was the the it girl on the eighth grade soccer team. And I was on the soccer bus because they had the guys and girls on the same soccer bus.

Speaker 2 Brody played no sports. So eighth grade, Heather was the hot, super hot, superstar girl.
And Brody was her boyfriend. And so I was like, this dude.

Speaker 2 And Brody at this time thought he was, you know, it was pre-Minem, I think, but Brody was like a... a large M ⁇ M, like no pun intended.

Speaker 2 You know, he was a bigger guy. He loved to melt cheese.
I later found out he'd just melt a cube of cheese and just like eat it with a spoon. So he was, he then got ripped and like changed.

Speaker 2 But this Brody was like a rapper, melted cheese. And I was like, How is this happening? So we had just beef in the sense I was like, How is this your girlfriend?

Speaker 2 Like, we have soccer practice together. We have way more in common.
So I don't know what I said, but we got in like the only little shoving match in middle school. So that we had beef, right?

Speaker 2 But then then years later, this girl that I was seeing,

Speaker 2 Casey, I won't say her last name because I'm not trying to catch a case.

Speaker 2 She was dating me and I, somebody tells me that's Brody's girlfriend. I'm like, she's not Brody's girlfriend.
Like, so I bring it up to her and I'm like, do you have a boyfriend?

Speaker 2 Like, and she's like, well, I didn't think we were like exclusive care. I was like, oh, no.

Speaker 2 I don't care. It's all good.
But it's like, I reach out to Brody through mutual friends.

Speaker 2 I'm like, yo, you know, I know we're not cool or whatever, but we should meet at Don Antonio's and talk, you know, because I guess I had heard he like love this girl.

Speaker 2 And I was like, and so we meet up and I'm like, your girlfriend is not your girlfriend. He's like,

Speaker 2 and I'm like.

Speaker 2 I like, I didn't know. Like, she told me, but when I found out, that's why I called you.
And he's like, I'm going to come. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
You know, this is pre-all these team movies.

Speaker 2 We should have made a team. And I was like, I think we play this out a little bit.
So we started becoming best friends on like making making plans with her.

Speaker 2 And then the other person would cancel, like, he'd cancel, and then she'd call me, and I'd be like, Yeah, yeah. And then she'd make it those plans.

Speaker 2 And, like, we did this for a while to the point where, like, you know, maybe we crossed the line or whatever, you know, but it was like, you know, you want to play the game. We'll play the game.

Speaker 2 Yeah, let's play it.

Speaker 2 So, we became best friends at this is probably 18.

Speaker 1 How did you get cast on the Hills?

Speaker 2 So, now we're going back to,

Speaker 2 I'm now in college. I don't know how how I see something about the Osbournes making $25 million for the, and I'd seen the show.
I was like, oh, this is entertaining. They got dogs pooping.

Speaker 2 Hazzy yells, like, da-da-da.

Speaker 2 And so I'm like, I'm going to make a reality show. So I call Brody.
I'm like, we got to meet at P.F. Chang's.
When PF Changs had just, this is like, P.F. Chang's was Mr.
Chow's at this point.

Speaker 2 There wasn't Mr. Chow.
It was like, this was the hottest Chinese food spot you could go to. So we meet at P.F.
Chang's. He brings Chucky, his like concigulary like like advisor, Chucky Daku.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so I'm like, I want to make a reality show about you. And he's like, I don't know about that.
And Chucky's like, you should do it. To Bernie's,

Speaker 2 this is my advisor. And I'm like, and he's like, here's the deal.
If you come to my house tomorrow at 8 a.m. with the camera, start filming, I'll do it.

Speaker 2 And he's calling my bluff because I'm a sleeper in at this time. I'm not trying to be up all the way to Malibu, like Cross Creek.

Speaker 2 So I had a camera because I had just tried to shoot a documentary in Brazil about like the like I tried to make my own taken,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 like pre-taken with like a kidnapping. And I shot this full film that I was like, Can you please release that?

Speaker 2 It's pretty hardcore because it was like, I use real people and like, like people that see it are like, this is so inappropriate and intense. But like at that time, kidnapping was like the big thing.

Speaker 2 And I was already in Brazil and I, you know, I was like, I need to make a, so it looks, it's too real. You know, like, it's like,

Speaker 2 so I'm like,

Speaker 2 whoa. Like, it was like, oh, the, we're in, we're tourists and then boom.
Like, the vans come and duct tape. Like, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 You guys are like, but it, like, I could have, if I had like a good editor, I would have won a Sundance because it was like no act.

Speaker 2 Like, I went to the flollas, gave people cash, all real guns from like, got real cops to like chip. I mean, it was so.

Speaker 2 crazy because I want to be a filmmaker, you know, like, like, I didn't, you know, like, that was clout was like Michael Bay. Like, totally.
You know, so I I was like, I'm

Speaker 2 so I edit this, I showed Rodi, he's like, bro,

Speaker 2 like, don't you dare show anybody this. Like, you will go to jail.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 2 But I mean, everyone's in on it, you know, like, like,

Speaker 1 nothing bad is happening.

Speaker 2 It looks a little bit. Yeah, and Rodie's like, people are going to be a little concerned.
This was your girlfriend at the time. Like, it's like, she wanted to be an actress.
Like, she was an actor.

Speaker 2 There's clearly evidence showing this was, you know,

Speaker 2 everyone was fine. And like, but it was a little too real.
It was as real as it gets. It was like, so

Speaker 2 if I needed a kid now, so in Brazil, like, I have the full

Speaker 2 kind of just, um, so I had the camera, the good camera, GL2 Canon. And so I show up 8 a.m.
I have this one tape. Like, I re-watched this the other day.

Speaker 2 I show up, camera on him, in his nose, just trolling him, like pushing it in. He's like, oh.

Speaker 2 So I tell my parents I'm withdrawing from USC and I'm taking a a leave of absence. They're like, what? I'm like, I'm going to make a reality show.
They're like, oh my God. I'm like, don't worry.

Speaker 2 I can go back. I mean, at this point, they're like, I'm glad he's back from Brazil.

Speaker 2 You know, so

Speaker 2 I started just filming everything at the house. But his stepdad is a superstar mega.

Speaker 2 And in real life, he's literally telling me. Stop fucking filming me.
Get the fuck out of my house. And, you know, at the time, Paris and

Speaker 2 Nicole were on on Fox. So I was saying, this is Fox.
Dave, you know, I didn't appreciate who he was. Brody said that he makes elevator music.
Like, that was my.

Speaker 1 This is David Foster.

Speaker 2 Like, so that's my percent. And I'm like, oh.

Speaker 1 Like, you make elevator music?

Speaker 2 Fuck off. Yeah.
Like, that was the energy. Like, Brody's like, says you make elevator music.
So I had no, like, oh, it's Dave Fuzz. I'm like in his face.
He's swearing at us.

Speaker 2 You know, he's like, get the fuck out of my house. And my head was like, we have a bigger man.
It's okay. We have a bigger mansion.
There's more dogs here. They had like 10 dogs shitting everywhere.

Speaker 2 And he was a superstar. And then we have Brody's mom, Linda Thompson, who at one time Elvis was trying to marry, dated Elvis for five years.
Linda's incredible TV legend.

Speaker 2 So she's playing all into it and letting us like, let the boys do the boys, you know. So, and I'm living a life too.
I'm never stopping filming because they got the chef. I'm going in the fridge.

Speaker 2 I got a plate that says, Dave, I'm eating his food all day from the chef. And we edit it right there, just like, you know, a few minutes.

Speaker 2 On Sunday night, I get a call from this guy and he's like, Spencer, I'm like, who's this? And he's like, it's Peter. I'm like, Peter, who? And he's like, Peter Chernin.

Speaker 2 He's the chairman of News Corp that owns Fox. And he's like, you have a meeting tomorrow at 9 a.m.
with Gail Berman. I'm like, cool.
Who's Gail Berman? He's like, Spencer.

Speaker 2 She's the president of Fox Television. She knows the deal.
Just go to the meeting. I'm like, okay.
And he hangs up. I'm like, okay.
So I called David Foster to like talk to Shaheen.

Speaker 2 I'm like, going to Fox, FOSMED, Wasola, you know, know, talking all this smack. This is where he murked me out because he didn't have like, now he's like, oh, this is real.

Speaker 2 So he didn't have faith in me. Like, I don't think he knew what level I'd already got it done.
Yeah. So he calls his boy, because David's Canadian.

Speaker 2 He calls his homie from Canada that, like, they had tried to do some projects together in the past. And he's like, you got to go to this meeting.

Speaker 2 So I pull up like out of a movie and I get to the Fox lot right there. Every time I drive by it, now I still am like, God, what a memory that you just can't even make up.

Speaker 2 And I pull up like Spencer Pratt for Gail Berman. And they're like, oh, sorry, somebody already used your drive-on.
I'm like, what does that mean?

Speaker 2 They're like, you're going to have to park on the street. And like, I'm like, wait, what? So now I'm like parking down Pico, like running.

Speaker 2 And I'm in my like dumb purple shirt that, you know, that I thought was like a fancy shirt, you know, that I didn't have like, I didn't like have designer or clothes or whatever.

Speaker 2 So I had like this stupid purple shirt on. Somehow later in that day, Peter Chernan sees me.
He's there. And he's like, Don't you ever wear that dumbass shirt ever? And I'm like,

Speaker 2 Oh, okay. But so I go into the meeting and I get in the elevator, and this guy in this full suit is smoking a cigar.
And we're going up in the elevator, and he's a big old guy.

Speaker 2 And he's like, you know, I'm like, Who's this guy? and these other guys in suits. And so they're like walking with me, and we're all walking.
I'm like, no, they're all going in the same place as me.

Speaker 2 So Gail offers us in that meeting $3.7 million. I'm like, yeah, deal, deal,

Speaker 2 Deal, fucking deal. And they're like, no, we're

Speaker 2 like, we're going to go see some, we're going to ABC.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, who the fuck are they? Like, no, deal.

Speaker 2 And so they jacked me. And they, like, if I hadn't called David, I would have had so much more creative control.
But I was 20. Right.

Speaker 2 And so then I find out, like, you know, I get a lawyer and they're like, yeah, they're saying you're not the executive producer. I'm like, I'm like, that sounds like, I sounds like I am that.

Speaker 2 And they're like, yeah, they're saying you're not. So I call Pierre.
I'm like, they're saying I'm not.

Speaker 2 and he's like makes a call and then now I'm executive producer I was the youngest executive producer of a network television show to this day in history and they try to fight that and so then they make the show and at this point on my first day of filming a Fox show Keep in mind, this is when Fox was peak Fox.

Speaker 2 We are getting launched with the reboot of Family Guy on Sunday nights before The Simpsons. Our sponsor is Coca-Cola McDonald's that we're like getting ads.

Speaker 2 And they're like, I am going to be a millionaire in a month. I have my walkie-talkie that says executive producer.
Day one, I'm behind camera, they're filming.

Speaker 2 And then everyone's like, Spencer, you need to go in and like do what you're doing. Cause in it, everyone's always talking shit to me.
Right.

Speaker 2 Like in the sizzle and everything, because I'm like the like crutch, the bad, like the guy that lives in the guest house to energy, the Kato Kalin vibe, right?

Speaker 2 So I'm like, nah, I got my walkie-talkie. Like, you'll get to keep your walkie-talkie.
I'm like, okay.

Speaker 2 So I didn't realize I like, it was like the Matrix pill. Like I, that was when I sabotaged my entire life of being taken seriously.
Crossing in front of that camera.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh yeah, I get my walkie-talkie still. I got my title, but I didn't get, that was the end of like anyone ever being like respecting you in this business.

Speaker 1 But which is crazy to hear too for you, Spencer, because by you.

Speaker 1 They clearly were like, wait, we're filming this shit and we're not getting the same thing that Spencer came with his DVD because it was you.

Speaker 1 Brody was so comfortable with you being like, Spencer, get the fuck out of my face. And like, David Foster's like, Spencer, like, everyone knew you, so they were giving you that content.

Speaker 1 They're not going to do it as easily in front of these, like, random

Speaker 1 guys with cameras. So, they needed you to get back in there, but that sucks that then your credit basically got taken as in terms of a producer.

Speaker 2 So, I look still this whole time, not getting that nobody else was going to think this, looked at myself as an on-camera producer. I was just filming, doing the story bites, da-da-da-da-da.

Speaker 2 So that night,

Speaker 2 Linda has a talk with us, our first night of filming, and she's like, I caught David cheating on me in the studio. And I'm like,

Speaker 2 well,

Speaker 2 so,

Speaker 2 you know, like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 And so, like, we pretty much just beg her to like, just pause this, you know, and she's a getting,

Speaker 2 I now appreciate it more, but at the time, like, I was so deep in like, this is our, like, like, who cares? Like, let's roll. Like, you, let's launch.

Speaker 2 Like, and so she gangstered up and was like, I will do, and I didn't really understand what she meant. Like, I'll do the filming, but I didn't get.

Speaker 2 So then let's fast forward the night the show premieres. She's like, I informed Fox that I'm filing for divorce tomorrow morning.
And I'm like, what are,

Speaker 2 what do you know? You know, nowadays that ratings up. People love that dark thing.
This is a family-friendly Sunday. I get my third call from the chairman of News Curve.

Speaker 2 He's like, Spencer, what the F? We bought a family-friendly show for Sunday nights. I'm pulling the plug.
After next week's episode, it's done.

Speaker 2 So we get the one, you know, it rated well for the summer. We get one more.
And I just lost. And I spent all my money that my first check on my BMW.

Speaker 2 That now I like didn't have money for gas, you know.

Speaker 1 figurative squeaking like because i was like gay mon you know we're gonna be so rich damn that's wild that like day one of filming she like so that just set caught him cheating and you're like wait no we need one this house to film in this two we need the family together and then the rest of the season they just like you try she tried to fake it for you yeah she did and she's she's a real good actor and damn

Speaker 2 so i get that call i'm like oh my god i have to go back to college you know like so now i'm back in college brodie jenner

Speaker 1 had step siblings at the time

Speaker 1 When do you remember meeting Kim Kardashian for the first time? And what was she like back then?

Speaker 2 All right, so I just shout out Esquire Magazine for profiling me.

Speaker 2 And the big, I thought this was going to be like positive, but since I said I should be Kim Kardashian, people like got all weirded out about that.

Speaker 2 But it's, I feel that, you know, so I'm just going to defend myself. So now we're at the first night of the Princes of Malibu, our Fox show.
I didn't even know he had stepsisters. I wasn't even aware.

Speaker 2 Maybe I met them that night, like

Speaker 2 totally irrelevant.

Speaker 2 A week later, you know, this has been denied but brody's the witness and i don't know if he'll maybe he'll say it but it's true we get a call from chris jenner who i don't know and he puts her on speaker and she's like we should do what you're doing in malibu with our family in the valley with your dad brody and and

Speaker 2 he hangs up and i'm like the valley

Speaker 2 you know because like when i grew up like you did not this isn't me saying this is what i grew up knowing

Speaker 2 there was nobody filming anything in the valley except pornos you know like that was what the i you know that's where they shot yeah people used to shit on the valley it was yeah now give me one of those 80 million dollar valley houses i guess it's still you need good academic but so we laughed ha ha and i've thought about it a million times was that the call that like sabotaged my whole life that i didn't take but then i really thought about it a million times they went to then to ryan secress who had a first look deal with e they had to make a show per his contract and they went to him.

Speaker 2 And he had the power of not only E-news, Kiss FM was popping. He just got American Idol.
Like, that was a solid.

Speaker 2 I don't think if Brody and I had gone with cameras, shot the Kardashians, it would have been what the Kardashians were. Like everything came perfect for what their magical portal happened.

Speaker 2 So I've thought about it a trillion times, but I met her for real, for real in the club.

Speaker 2 I remember Aria, you know, she was wearing like an Hervé ledger silver purplish dress you know and she kim looked like a superstar and was famous like she deserves day one jump she was famous at this point energetically she knew who she was gonna be so she had that aura and like you know i was joking with kim and you know we were all having fun she was totally cool but that i remember meeting him like her at the club and like you know then she later filmed on the hills and organized tidy's closet and they didn't use the footage and i once said this in an interview, and her publicist was like, This is absolute lie, da-da-da-da.

Speaker 2 And then MTV pulled out the clip. Then one time they ever backed me with receipts and like showed unedited Kim.

Speaker 2 Like every now and then, somebody tags me in a tweet of her like tweeting at me, like, you, me, Heidi, and Reggie need to go on a double date.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, how was I so popping in my head that I'm not like following through with this double date?

Speaker 2 I did follow through when Miley Cyrus tweeted us and we went and double dated with her and that. So I wasn't too insane.
But if I had done everything different and if I was like super,

Speaker 2 like for how thirsty I am, like what I should have done is been friends with everybody. That's what Kim is was so good at.
And I'm not that type of person.

Speaker 2 Like, I don't want to go have fake lunches and fake drinks. And what if I had played the game like a pro, I would have gone to drinks all the time with people that hated me and I hated them back.

Speaker 2 And we'd just all be fake. But it's like, that's the problem with being a real person, which is good for reality TV, but like not for networking and building these.

Speaker 2 Because people message me, like, oh, we should do this, and you can reach out to like your celebrity friend. Like, my what friends?

Speaker 2 Like, I got my friends from preschool, and they don't even want me to name drop that I know them, you know.

Speaker 1 So, no, I appreciate that because I think that a lot of people don't know about the Princess of Malibu. Like, if you're on TikTok, sorry, but people may not know about it.

Speaker 1 And I think that it was interesting when you look back at your history that you started this like like basically little reality show following Brody around and Kim is just like there in a scene and you're like whoa like this was the beginning and then I believe you that Chris called because it's like you guys were doing it before the Kardashians started it.

Speaker 2 No, and

Speaker 2 at the time Bruce not was it Caitlin. So at the time Bruce was filming for Princes.
So Chris is they didn't use any of the footage but like he would come film and he'd be on it.

Speaker 2 So he's going back home

Speaker 2 and tell like this is crazy da da da da right and you know at the same time the simple life's popping so Kim's knowing about reality TV through

Speaker 1 uh through Paris and then that's when reality TV really started to pop off was like slowly like the simple life

Speaker 1 and then obviously though the biggest I think was when the hills popped off and that was when it was like holy shit this is reality TV and because yes how I got to the hills yeah yeah yeah all right this is gonna be a this is gonna be two-part call our daddy podcast.

Speaker 2 So they're trying to milk this shit. Come on.
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Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 so wait.

Speaker 2 So go back to college. So go back to college.
And then one day I'm back from class or whatever. And my mom's best friend, Lucy, they're in there watching this show.

Speaker 2 And my mom's friend's Lucy, like, you should date this girl. She's so cute.
I'm like, what is this? And they're watching in. She's like, date this girl.
She's so cute. And it's Heidi.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, what is this show? Like, how is this even a show? This is season one. I'm like, this is the dumbest thing I ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, this on TV? Like, yeah, it's so cute.

Speaker 2 And I see one of the names of the executive producers was a guy that Brody and I literally hired. Like, we had a meeting, we hired him.
So I have his cell phone number. I call him.

Speaker 2 I'm like, Mother, Munger, you have a new show and you didn't put Brody and I. And he's like, Spencer, no, it's a set cast of this girl from Laguna Beach.
Like, it's not like that.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, no, it's like that. We'll see you in the club.
Like, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 That's our show you got, like, hollywood like and this one brody was like running the clubs and like so all due respect no girl from laguna beach is doing a hollywood show i'm like they have a hollywood show and you're so not including us like yeah so we're out it's uh this club was called privilege justin timberlake was just popping with sexy can i i think i remember just like hitting so hard in the in the freaking club and so this is when i was very into dancing you know this was people danced back then people weren't too cool to dance.

Speaker 2 We want to just stand around. Like it was like dancing time.
So I was dancing and then Kristen was at the bar with Heidi. And Heidi had just done season one.
I didn't know what even that meant.

Speaker 2 Nobody, Hills was not popping. So Heidi and I clear the dance floor.
We're having a great time dancing, hit it off. We all drive back to Brody's house in Malibu.
So she ends up spending the night.

Speaker 2 We, you know, she says it's love at first sight. I guess now in retrospect, it was.
But, you know, I had, you know, know, player ego, clout fame vibes. So I was like,

Speaker 2 and then she tells, you know, we're seeing each other, but she is seeing, you know, she's not exclusive either to me.

Speaker 2 When I met Heidi, she was writing a book, had chapters, how to outplay the player. She had game galore.
She was not this like innocent victim like, oh my God, Spencer's talking to those playmates.

Speaker 2 Like she was talking to old dude over here and old dude here. Like she had two, like she had an A-list athlete and an A-list actor.
She was dating when I was supposedly looking like the bad guy.

Speaker 2 So, if they had showed real Heidi and not this, like, bootleg, you know, just making girls look like this, like, like, that was where you got to see, like, like, an awesome girl that I would fall in love with who, like, show a girl a game that totally attracted her.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, this is why I liked her. She, like, she was no victim.
I wasn't playing her. It was like battle.
We were at like a master chess dating. And so that.

Speaker 1 Can you tell us who she was dating?

Speaker 2 Yeah, she was dating Chase Crawford, who was like the it, like hot guy, you know, peak, you know, gossip girl. Yeah, like couldn't be cooler.
So she wasn't like, oh, poor Spencer. Like, right.

Speaker 2 It was not that.

Speaker 1 I love hearing you say that, though, because I always felt that vibe from Heidi, but they always cast her as this like damsel in distress. Like, Jordan's being mean to me.

Speaker 1 And then she meets you and it's like Spencer's being mean to me. I'm like, that's not the vibe I get from Heidi.

Speaker 2 So the problem with Heidi and I, we loved making TV shows and doing what the producers are saying. Here's the problem with the Hills.

Speaker 2 All male producers, East Coast waspy freaking dudes that they're now in charge of representing young women in Hollywood and they're putting their toxic male weird narrative spins that they

Speaker 2 that's not facts and it's not real life because I don't even think any of these guys date, you know, like they don't know, maybe they saw it in a movie or something.

Speaker 1 Like, they can't fathom a woman, like, spinning game on a guy and like change your number, like, fuck you.

Speaker 2 Way better show, too. It's like, real Heidi was, I always say this, people to this day,

Speaker 2 like, oh, how are you still? It's like, because you don't know real Heidi. Like, you guys are all,

Speaker 2 like, it's like, keeps you on your toes. Yeah.
Like, I'm, they're not showing me begging her to be boyfriend, girlfriend. You know, she's like, I don't want that title.
Like, right.

Speaker 2 You know, like, she was more.

Speaker 1 yeah, so yeah, she is games, she was a gangster, like, you know, so now knowing that's actually a really great story that it goes all the way back to your mom looking at the TV and being like, oh, you should date this girl, and then you guys actually meet, and you immediately have a vibe.

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Speaker 1 What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her?

Speaker 2 So let's do a disclaimer here for, you know, LC stands

Speaker 2 because they're always like, oh my God, he still has to talk about LC. It's like, no, no.

Speaker 2 I was connected to a television franchise, and this is a co-star that is part of My Fame People.

Speaker 2 I would love to have never talked to her about her the rest of my life, but I am a great guest, and I am honest and truthful. So there you go.

Speaker 2 So that's for the comment section.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I mean, nice, nice girl. Like I, we was all good to the point where I talked Brody in to breaking up with Nicole Ritchie to fake double date with LC.
So like that's the level of how I felt about her.

Speaker 2 Like let me help make your life better by bringing the best looking guy in Hollywood right now, who all the girls want to date.

Speaker 2 I'll get him to break up with his celebrity, you know, superstar girlfriend. I will get him to come onto your show, pretend to be your, you know, interest to just everyone wins.

Speaker 2 You know, so like I was a, I'm a teammate. I come from being on a team sport.
I didn't play tennis. I didn't play golf.
Like the team wins. That's how I've always thought.

Speaker 2 So I was like, let's all win. We'll double gate.

Speaker 2 And I was already in the, you know, game from like working with the paparazzi for princes of malibu and setting up our shoots and so like i was like you know our first double date i had us coming out of the grove you know all due respect to elsie she'd never been in a tabloid until i unlocked that for her and gave her the you know as a team mate not you know i don't want credit i i wanted us all to win so i had our paparazzi this is pre the entire world now does this this was this was vintage genius uh where you work with them instead of like hiding from them because this one tabloids sold like albums.

Speaker 2 Like you could drake, you know, one week, three million sales on us weekly. Like this was superpowers that I knew understood.
And I just watched a season two episode.

Speaker 2 El C knew because if you look at her on the couch, she has every tabloid in her lap. That's what she's reading.
So don't be mad at me, girl. So we come out of our double date.

Speaker 2 And I'm like, make sure you guys look to the left. You know, this is off camera.

Speaker 2 Just I'm really trying to like get us all to hang out on friends because now Heidi and I are seeing each other, not boyfriend, girlfriend. And she's like, What is it? And I'm like, it's our camera.

Speaker 2 And she's like, you called the paparazzi. I'm like, yeah, to get you into Mac.
So that was, I was like, oh, you're not all there.

Speaker 2 You know, like, don't have a full deck running here as you're trying to be on your second television show. Like, it's not like I'm all for people who don't want to.

Speaker 2 be famous, but like, you're on a second show. Like, you spun off.
Like, I get like it fell into your lap in high school and it came to you and you auditioned, but now you've spun off.

Speaker 2 You've, you are choosing choosing the path of fame so now i'm like so she from the jump kind of was weirded out like oh spencer's like that's why she'll say things like i don't trust him it's like you didn't understand like i was ahead of this game like i already saw how this worked on a way bigger scale because i'm not from laguna beach you know like I'm from here and watching Paris, watching how Nicole, like Nicole is an actual, you know, we ended up having a falling out or whatever.

Speaker 2 Miss, I was misquoted, I think.

Speaker 2 But she's a genius. So, like, she's a fame genius.
So, I studied under, you know,

Speaker 2 I'll call her a mentor in the in the fame game. So, I, she just,

Speaker 2 she,

Speaker 2 she, she knows the game. That's why Paris called her smartest friend to be her teammate.

Speaker 2 She didn't call Kim, yeah, you know, like, hey, you want to, you know, but so, uh, back to like, you know, everything. We were best friends.
She's like, you want to meet my dad?

Speaker 2 But eventually, the Brody couldn't play pretend anymore. Yeah.

Speaker 2 I wasn't saying fake date lc that wasn't the initiative like i was like this would be great like heidi's cool they're roommates like i was hoping it worked out it didn't work out from night one you know like so once she was on to that she wanted her amazing wingmen which i under wing woman totally get heidi to not be with me so her selfish motivations she can put it on all these reasons of like oh i don't trust him or look at she knew heidi like she knew heidi's game that she knew about this and we know her these girls were not victims, okay?

Speaker 2 They had their own television show, they were in the right in the heart of Hollywood. They're going out every night, getting tables.

Speaker 2 These aren't these like pilgrims that like were like, oh, these poor little innocent, you know,

Speaker 2 yeah, these girls are savvy. And I didn't get raised on being on television when I was 16, 17.
Like, you're a veteran at this point. Like, yeah, I understood the backside of like tabloids and media.

Speaker 2 But when it came to making a TV show show and like murking out people and like, you know, what comments say this, like, this is a black belt level. Yeah.

Speaker 1 With regard to your relationship with Heidi, how did you guys separate reality from reality TV to keep your relationship healthy?

Speaker 2 Thank God the show was so fake that it was, you know, every time now and then Heidi would get a little too drunk.

Speaker 2 Like one time in Arie, like she knew I told her, like, we're going to call these playmates.

Speaker 2 I'm going to bring these girls and she knew and she's like i'll meet you there and then drunk heidi's like asshole and like you know like and she really got all up in her feelings you know as you know because she's like i don't even want that you know but that's the problem when you play reality like there's times where you know

Speaker 2 it affects you in real life so thankfully it was so fake that all the fighting and everything was so like planned and rehearsed and scripted that it didn't.

Speaker 2 And then the other thing is we lived in my parents' house in the Palisades, like in my high school room. Like, so we leave Hollywood and just go have our simple, you know, life.

Speaker 2 And, you know, we weren't up in the scene like it looks. So, like, we never lived in that apartment that we filmed in or that house we filmed in.

Speaker 2 So, I imagine it would have been harder if we were immersed in that world and these were our real friends and our real relationship.

Speaker 1 But you guys really took a turn to be like the most hated couple in the world. And Heidi got all the surgery.
Did you ever try to convince Heidi not to get surgery?

Speaker 2 No. One thing I never try to do with ever with Heidi and what people don't understand is like, Heidi's the boss.
Like I work for Heidi to this day. Like that's this whole like,

Speaker 2 you know, like that's people who really know the inner workings of our relationship. Like, like, excuse me my French, like, I'm the pussy whip.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, like, it's not like, oh, Heidi, I think you should do this. Like, Heidi came from a little town in Crested Crested Butte with dreams of being a star.
Like, she,

Speaker 2 like, so no, I never told Heidi what to do because I just, I'm, I was, I was just filming her. She's like, put the camera on me, cameraman.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, if you watch the footage, like, I'm just her cameraman. I said to her yesterday, I'm like, I'm literally your cameraman.
So, yeah. Also, let's rewind a surgery because it's in tears.

Speaker 2 First time she even got the idea of getting surgery was Us Weekly approached her and was like, hey, we have this top plastic surgeon.

Speaker 2 It wasn't even in her head, you know, that wants to do, you know, we'll give you a nose job and implants. And Heidi's like, and they're like, this would cost $50,000, whatever.
And Heidi's a hustler.

Speaker 2 And she's like, $50,000 for free. And this Us Weekly's coming to me.
I'm not going to say his name, Ken, came to her.

Speaker 2 And so, you know,

Speaker 2 you know. And she had grown up getting made fun of about her nose her whole life.
You look, this was early day comment section. Every single comment, I'm always like, don't read that.

Speaker 2 It's just saying she has a Jay Leno chin and so she's now in her head of all these things that's early you know comment section so that she has this meeting with this top you know rest in peace dr.

Speaker 2 Frank Ryan he's dead but she has a meeting with him and he she's showing he's showing her all the a-list superstars all the things he's done but you know sign top secret they're not telling anyone it's just she's realizing this is the game So she does the nose job, boobs.

Speaker 2 It's not the end of the world. People don't, you know, she didn't have to tell the truth also.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, this time, I'm not going to say other big pop people were literally without a doubt got nose jobs, got it. Like, that was standard operating procedure.

Speaker 2 But Heidi is just an honest, like, I'm going to tell people this is what I did, which, you know, I'm like, I don't care, whatever.

Speaker 2 Like, keep in mind, I've already dated Heidi for so long, in love, already felt like this isn't like, oh, this is what you need to do now for us to be, like, we're already battling the world.

Speaker 2 Like, this isn't going to change our relationships. I'm like, I don't, win-win.
Like, I don't care. Either way, whatever.
Do what you want to do to your body. I'm scared.

Speaker 2 I couldn't even, I can't even get shots. So this is way past my world of like knives.
And, you know,

Speaker 2 so all good. The follow-up, the one that people all freaked out on, I'll never forget.
I even have it on video.

Speaker 2 As she's going in, because she, when she was doing her Miss Universe, she got elbowed by one of the backup dancers and they hit her nose. And so she like, like, it's like den in.

Speaker 2 They're going to like pop it out, whatever. So she goes to have like that done that morning.
He's like, hmm, while you're under,

Speaker 2 we, you know, we could just little, and I hear the word minor so many times. It's like, it's so early in the morning when you drop these people off for surgery.
It's like, I'm not even thinking.

Speaker 2 I hear minor. She already does like, I don't, I hear, she already got lip injections.
That seemed minor, like, oh, minor. And you hear the word injectable and this, everything's minor.

Speaker 2 And he just had this blue pen. And he's just like, I'm like, there's a lot of blue.
Neither of us are thinking like, oh my God.

Speaker 2 He's like, this is minor is the word we heard a million times cut to like the most traumatic so no it was not like a positive time

Speaker 1 that's also just so crazy to hear you talk about it too because of like how manipulative and

Speaker 2 really scary like when you're young you don't understand and these doctors should do a better job of explaining like the fact that they said minor to you and you're like it was in the morning also the fact that you're like it was the day of and they're like we can just do this like we'll scoop out your back we'll pin back your ears we'll and he's saying the price of each thing and like back to heidi who's like a banker he's like this is 25 000 i mean it was like a quarter million dollars when he like he's like in all crust all this was like out of like a movie where you're like you're like shopping for clothes and they add it all up and he's like boom void zero dollars so it's like in her head and this business it's like a business like oh my god it's like a bargain he's giving me a quarter million to like make and this is what all i'm not gonna name stars but this is what all they did but they spread it out like everything she did is like standard a-list totally i'm not naming the women but but it's obvious this is standard a-list women but once a year you know you don't knock it all out right you don't drop it off at the body shop what do you miss about

Speaker 1 being one of the most famous couples in the world at the time

Speaker 2 oh just the money

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, like I would, if you asked me to never be famous or just be rich, I would have, I thought being famous was the easy way to get rich.

Speaker 2 Like, if I put the amount of energy as I put into being famous as just like doing like a normal rich person job, like a banker, like I would be rich.

Speaker 2 So, uh, yeah, like how the like getting just paid by Coca-Cola to hold a Cokela, like, here's $10,000. Like, like, what? Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know, so like that level of like, and then people are like, why do you want to be famous?

Speaker 2 Like, because that, it's so hard, but it's so easy when you're like in the, when you're getting the checks.

Speaker 2 Like at one time we were making a million dollars a year selling our paparazzi photos like going and looking cheesy you know like dressing up in dumb little like easter bunny like so that part is yeah hands down

Speaker 1 that makes sense so people hated you more than people who murdered people you were more hated than oj simps at one point and casey anthony yep how did that make you feel at the time well at the time it was a victory because david foster had put me into the the game by, he knew Simon Cowell.

Speaker 2 I didn't watch American Idol. And he was like, Spence, once the Fox started going, he's like, you need to be the young Simon Cowell.
I was like, who?

Speaker 2 Like, and he's like, the hated guy, the villain, the like, you know, I was like, gotcha. Like,

Speaker 2 sounds easy, coach. Put me in.
So I,

Speaker 2 there was no social media. I was so naive to think, and I thought everybody knew Hollywood was just lights, camera action, fake as could be.
I didn't understand Middle America.

Speaker 2 This was Bible, you know, like this was, you know, the Holy Spirit over here. And I'm over here just trying to get ratings, bonuses.

Speaker 2 Like if we ever got to $5 million, I got a million dollar check just that day. So no matter what I'm reading, I'm over here like chasing a million dollar one, like, and we're like at 4.2, 4.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, what could I do to get to that million dollars to do what I'm already doing that night?

Speaker 2 So my mindset at that point, at one time I had like hate spencerpratt.com where, like, you could go and like comment.

Speaker 2 Like, I hate, like, I thought it was so fun and like ridiculous until you know, I started driving around and like everyone's just flicking me off out windows.

Speaker 2 It was like, oh my God, like, who's watching this show? Like, chill. Like, I thought this was like a fun like party show.
Like, why are you guys, isn't the news on? Like, aren't we in Iraq?

Speaker 2 Like, isn't there a war? Like, I just never understood because I came from like play pretend with the princes and everything and I just thought,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 1 so no you understood what you were doing and then when people didn't and they thought it was real, you were like, wait, guys.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and Simon Cowell. Yeah, no, no.
And like Brody will say to anybody that's like, Spencer planned every single, like he's a witness to like the pre,

Speaker 2 like the blueprint. Like I executed it too well, you know.
And here's how they got me. And this is how the predatory producer, you know, and me being naive and Heidi just hit me with this.

Speaker 2 And I was like, oh my God, I'm so triggered by that quote. They were always saying,

Speaker 2 We're going to

Speaker 2 this is your redemption arc. We're going to redeem.
So I'm always chasing like you do this and then we're going to. So I'm like, I like this.
But it's like, I should have been like, watch Batman.

Speaker 2 I'm like, there's no way the Joker is getting redeemed. Like part three.
You know, like, like, I just, I just like, oh yeah, that sounds great. You're going to redeem me.
Yeah. What, season four?

Speaker 2 Like, woo. So, like, I, I fell for that just con, which, you know, that's the problem when you're 23 and you do think you're smarter than everybody, which I obviously was not.

Speaker 2 That I just got, you know, I thought I was in with everybody and I'm working with this producer that I already made this show with, but it's like, oh, no, they were sailing me off the waterfall, like Niagara.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I didn't care because they're also blood money paying, you know, we're the highest paid people on television at this time.

Speaker 2 So I'm, I'm going i had a million dollar suit collection not even wear suits and then i gave them all to my friend who's a real estate agent shout out mikey p and you know so like like because i was like what do you do with all this money you buy a suit so that's what rich people do no oh no no

Speaker 2 buy gold that's what i would say that's the one thing i did that was smart at one time i bought like all this gold so i carried a backpack around with like half a million gold coins just like because you can't spend gold you know like it takes it would keep you in line what about a business manager?

Speaker 2 We had them. Problem with business managers, let me tell you.

Speaker 2 Not only do they take, they take 5% of all the money you spend because they have to do the math for it. Oh, so be careful with a business manager because they love you spending money.

Speaker 2 That's their favorite.

Speaker 1 Gold was your friend. You're like, I can't spend this.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I should have bought more of it. Right, right, right.

Speaker 1 Okay, Spencer, you created the concept. I am now convinced.
I look back and I'm like, there was simple life.

Speaker 1 There was like newlyweds with Jessica Simpson and Nicholas Shea, like early, early days. But you

Speaker 1 created the reality show villain.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'll take that 1,000%. Right? Like, million truth.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Give me my one credit. Yes.
I'm going to add that to my Wikipedia.

Speaker 1 The originator of the reality star village.

Speaker 2 And it was fun until you realize like there's no getting out.

Speaker 2 So as I look back, they were frank and biting, is which I learned later, is where they're just taking audio and putting it there and putting you at an event you're not at, saying you did this.

Speaker 2 Like I was just watching this episode where Lauren comes in like that Heidi stood her up and there's a note from Heidi anyone that knows Heidi her handwriting looks like Egyptian hieroglyphs like she doesn't know what she's writing I don't know if she can even write like and so this cute little note like sorry Lauren LC like I can't hang out like went to the movies and censor love you like perfect calligraphy like Heidi never wrote that note they never told her she was standing up lc's like these simple things like merc you out And Lauren's playing her along.

Speaker 2 She knows Heidi didn't write that note and coming in, like, Heidi, Heidi, knowing like you were just in your apartment. They just mic'd you up, like,

Speaker 2 good for you. Like,

Speaker 2 like, freaking Blake Lively over there.

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Speaker 1 So let me explain to you what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 I've sat down with reality people now and sitting down with you who was like the originator of the villain.

Speaker 1 I want to expose how easily the edit process is that reality TV uses to make something look like a conversation happened and it really was a complete different conversation that happened.

Speaker 1 Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 who is someone that you really dislike? Like someone that pisses you off and can get you like riled up.

Speaker 2 You can be Adam DeVillo. Okay.

Speaker 1 I'm Adam DeVillo.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to,

Speaker 1 we're in a fight. We are in a fight right now.
I'm Adam. You're Spencer.
And I'm talking so much shit to you. This is what's going to happen.
Is the point is, is.

Speaker 1 I'm going to be, it's like I'm a producer being like, you're pissed at Adam. What would you say to Adam? And it's like, fuck you.
And then you walk out of the interview.

Speaker 1 What I'm going to do is at the beginning of this episode, it's going to be a cold open. and I'm gonna dub in a different question of me being like, Spencer, you're irrelevant.
How do you feel?

Speaker 1 And you're gonna be looking at me when really everyone right now will see what that original thing was.

Speaker 1 I'm talking about Adam DeVillo, but we're gonna cut it and make it look like you were shitting on me and you walk out of the Caller Daddy interview.

Speaker 2 Oh my gosh, you ready? So scary. Well, give me a few minutes.

Speaker 2 To tell you how I'm envisioning it, I'm no, I see the vision, but I'm just like trying to think about what I would actually say that could come off believable.

Speaker 1 Like, fuck you.

Speaker 2 You're a fucking predatory person. Woo, that's pretty good.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 That's better than anything we had. That's way stronger than a fuck you.

Speaker 1 Do you have a notes up of what you want to say

Speaker 1 to Villo?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 Fucking piece of shit.

Speaker 2 You need to drink some of your

Speaker 2 flaws.

Speaker 1 We're going to need to get, we can do it twice. Like, we just want to get the best.
And again, what is happening right here is going to go in the episode, just so you know.

Speaker 1 You're not getting fucked over.

Speaker 2 Like, we're going to show this process. You know, as long as this goes on Spotify.
Yes.

Speaker 2 I don't care what you show.

Speaker 1 Power of Edit, baby.

Speaker 1 I liked that first line you said.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 But it's not dramatic enough.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 2 Because, I mean, you are a predatory person.

Speaker 3 I can't even take it seriously. Okay.

Speaker 3 Here we go.

Speaker 1 I think it would be dramatic if you get up and walk away.

Speaker 2 I'm gonna, definitely, I'm dramatic.

Speaker 1 Okay, okay, you're practicing. You're practicing.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Fuck you. Fuck this interview.
You stupid podcast.

Speaker 2 Fuck this. Shit's over in here.

Speaker 2 What the fuck?

Speaker 2 That was good.

Speaker 2 Spencer!

Speaker 2 The low-key. Spencer!

Speaker 2 Dude, that was good!

Speaker 5 That was good! It has to be more low-key, otherwise you're not.

Speaker 1 I agree. I agree.
No, I think that was pretty good because you said, fuck you, fuck this. I'm going to do one more and I'm going to keep all this in.

Speaker 1 I'm like, guys, this is the, this is, I'm, like, poking him. I'm Adam DeVello.
I'm like, you are.

Speaker 2 So that's the thing you wouldn't even, that's what's so crazy about reality TV. Adam DeVille wouldn't be here.
They send these fuck.

Speaker 2 They call, like, for the hills, it was called the, she was called the collector. That's how shady this shit is to collect the fucking shit.

Speaker 1 And she would just get shit out of you.

Speaker 2 No, she would come and like, she fake jerked off and busted a nut on my face to pump like to like and it worked and i like went nuts okay so let's like channel that annoyance who let me call heidi who do i dislike

Speaker 2 Hi, honey.

Speaker 2 Who do I really dislike that I could channel just like lots of anger for a fake scene here? I feel like I don't talk to enough people to hate anybody anymore.

Speaker 2 Oh,

Speaker 2 thank you, honey. I knew you would know.
Love you, honey. Bye.
Love you.

Speaker 2 You're welcome. Here, I'll put you on the mic.
There you go. You're good.
You're good. Love you.

Speaker 2 Pratdaddy.com. Prat daddy.com.
Love you guys.

Speaker 2 Extreme superficial.

Speaker 2 Okay,

Speaker 2 oh, lots of people did, but one

Speaker 2 I have to see.

Speaker 1 Pretend I'm him.

Speaker 1 You're a fucking loser.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 This is the biggest fucking waste of time. I can't even believe Spotify gave you a fucking show.

Speaker 2 I bet this doesn't even last another fucking year. Why don't you just delete this whole fucking episode? Good luck with your little imaginary boyfriend.
You never show on fucking IG streams.

Speaker 2 Fuck you, you Alex. Fucking Cooper.
Fucking fuck.

Speaker 2 Spencer,

Speaker 2 Spencer, Meryl Streep.

Speaker 1 No, that was good.

Speaker 2 What I've learned is like

Speaker 2 the more exaggerated, the faker it looks now, because now everyone is so exaggerated on all these shows. So you gotta like.

Speaker 1 Well, in post-edit, and that's the beauty again, I'll share with everyone watching is like we'll look back and see which one looks more real.

Speaker 1 Maybe the first one looks more real because it was less try-hard.

Speaker 2 I may even, you know, the Holy Spirit, I may give you a third just out of nowhere. So, you know, the third, you know, you have to do these 12 times.
That's like that video I sent you.

Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I re-watched it.
Like, this is supposedly where I'm bullying Heidi into, like, moving in with me to, like, I would never move into Curson Avenue.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm not bullying anyone to, like, live across from fucking Boa or Boca. What it's, I don't even know.
Yeah, yeah. Like a liquor store.
Like, so, no, I was not. But this big scene, this was when.

Speaker 2 It was a wrap for me. Right.
Was when she's like, I don't think I want to move in with you. Like, doing her Meryl Street level.
And I'm like, then get it. My answer is is get out of my car.

Speaker 2 We did that at least 12 times. They're like, floor the car more.
And we're like shooting the exhaust pipes. She gets in the car right after.
We go to Don Antonio's. Like, that's just a night.

Speaker 2 But like, boom. And here's how I'm even crazier.
The song that they like put to it, like, apologize. Yeah.
I gave them the One Republic song. I was like, this would be so good.

Speaker 2 Because Heidi was like in talks to do a song with Ryan Tedder. And he like played me that.
I'm like, I'll get this on the hills. So then I even gave them the murder song.

Speaker 2 as we're kind of we're not wrapping up no

Speaker 2 my god no no no we're not you're like i'm not moving thank you for playing along that was a great promo is there a specific manufactured storyline you regret saying yes to yeah the sex tape i didn't think people like big deal i thought it was like clout too like right kim just made so much off of hers it wasn't a negative there would not no tape even ended up coming out.

Speaker 2 So like, I thought that that's why I played along, called a fake producer. That wasn't on a phone with LC.
It was me pretending to apologize to something I didn't do to a producer. Like, yeah,

Speaker 1 to your knowledge, did Adam DeVillo ever abuse his power when producing the show and in what ways?

Speaker 2 You know, here's what's so funny. Like, I was ready to go all in on Adam DeVille, but I'm a mercenary.

Speaker 2 If they call me right now to be on selling sunset, and I hate him more than anyone on earth, I'd be like, what's my fee?

Speaker 2 You know, like, so you can't even ask somebody who's like a mercenary about people because like I should have known his last name is Devil with an O. Like that's not a coincidence.

Speaker 2 And think, here's the other thing that I now have the benefit of perspective with.

Speaker 2 Like we've now been on two seasons of Celebrity Big Brother. We are locked up, you know, 50 plus days, a producer.

Speaker 2 We did, I'm a celebrity, get me out of here, marriage boot camp, wife swap, famous food.

Speaker 2 the list of shows of dealing with producers, not to mention all these pilots and shoot. And like, there's nobody like that guy.

Speaker 2 so here's the problem with people like Adam and how they'll always win mm-hmm

Speaker 2 they're male and he brings in his enablers and they're all like guarded you know I'm not saying this is like

Speaker 2 They will always win because there's then me the mercenary because I know this is a demonic demon and I was like put me on Netflix.

Speaker 2 So right all these people around Christine, they're not going to back her because they don't want to rock the ship. They don't want to

Speaker 2 want selling sunset to end so that's how me too and this these people are enabled because the people around them are like ain't happening to me like you because i'm one of his like i'm sure the way he treated whitney and lc and i'm god knows how they probably love him because when things did come out and heidi's story whatever guess who's the first one to be like he's the best guy ever maybe to you but that's not the truth like that's your ver like you can't defend you know so totally And I think it's fucked up because, like, you're saying, these men in these positions of power insulate themselves with all these other men that are going to make him like almost impenetrable to any type of

Speaker 1 any type of getting in trouble. And however, what you're saying also is, because you're the mercenary, it's fucked up.
Like, we saw Christine Quinn was one of the first people, which she's fortunate.

Speaker 1 She's got a lot of fucking money. She's got her own money and she's got her husband that has a fuck ton of money.

Speaker 1 And so, when you're in a position where you need this person that's in a position of power and fucked up, but you need to make a living, you need money, you're kind of at the hands of their power.

Speaker 1 And so, I hear what you're saying. You're like, I would take the Netflix show because that's what your career is, but you're not saying he's a good guy.

Speaker 1 I want to, because I've never talked about this to my listeners. So,

Speaker 1 when Heidi was on Caller Daddy last year,

Speaker 1 she brought up an incident where the producer from the Hills was physical with her.

Speaker 1 After filming that episode, the MTV rep that repped Heidi called my team and said, you need to take that out of the episode or you can't air it. I don't even know if Heidi knows this.

Speaker 2 Definitely does not. Okay.
Shout out Joya and Jay and

Speaker 2 who else?

Speaker 2 I love you. Right, I don't even know.

Speaker 1 So we get to see that.

Speaker 2 That's what's so shady because it's like they protect the net. Like, I love MTV, but it's like, that's Adam.
She didn't say. MTV.
You can't, like, that's the.

Speaker 1 So my team gets this call and Daddy Gang listening, like, you can go back. And that interview, I, they said, you have to take that part out or you can't air the episode.

Speaker 1 I thought it was coming from Heidi. And I'm like, who am I to put someone's like abuse story out there if they don't want it out? So I took it out of the episode.
Fast forward.

Speaker 1 Few weeks ago, Christine Quinn sits down with me and she talks about how Adam Davillo is the new producer who is the original producer of The Hills.

Speaker 1 And she mentions Heidi's name in the interview saying we both had really bad experiences with these producers. Immediately, I message Heidi.

Speaker 1 I go right to Heidi because I'm like, I don't want to put your name in the episode if you're not comfortable with it. I know Christine doesn't want to speak for you.

Speaker 1 I want to make sure you're good with it. And Heidi was like, absolutely put it in there.

Speaker 2 It's the truth.

Speaker 1 To which I then realized,

Speaker 1 oh my God, last year, I fully got played. I was like, last year, that was not Heidi not wanting to put that in.

Speaker 1 But now that you're done with the Hills, can you explain what the fuck happened with that whole situation?

Speaker 2 Again, I wasn't there. I was never allowed to be, that's why, that's why these predator type people like that, people that want the smoke, they won't have, like,

Speaker 2 I never interacted with Adam ever. Once he knew my level, you know, like, you don't play, like, I don't play.
So I never got to interact with Adam because it would have been on.

Speaker 2 So. I was banned from the shoot, the photo shoot that this happened.
So what I did was send, shout out Kevin Carlson, her bodyguard, to go in my place.

Speaker 2 Cause I, you know, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not allowed to go to her photo shoot. So, you know, it's from,

Speaker 2 again, you would need Heidi here, but from my

Speaker 2 what I recall is she had one of those loose fitting, you know, I guess there was also a comment about her new boobs, you know, like, you know, because she just had nobody had seen that, whatever.

Speaker 2 And she had one of those backs that like her open back where it's like pretty much like in the right angles.

Speaker 2 like butt cheek you know like of a dress and i guess he like put his hand like ash cheek grab and the security to the point where he like chopped her his hand off and was like checked him you know shout out kevin um gangster but he was there this happened so we had a witness we like he was you know

Speaker 1 It makes me really sad for Heidi that it took years.

Speaker 1 Like everyone is believing Christine Quinn right now.

Speaker 2 Oh, literally when this came out, I all again, I didn't watch Selene Sunset because I hate this person so much. I don't care how good the show is, Adam, right?

Speaker 2 But when I saw this, I was like, this is an angel from heaven just came in, and then she's in this outfit. I'm like, she is out of the, this is the Matrix.
This is literally Trinity coming to like,

Speaker 2 and it took, what, 12 years? Like, you can go back on Google and she was like, this is not appropriate. Like, you can't, like, she fell to the point where she called me and I was like, what the?

Speaker 2 So I called and I left some psycho message, you know, like,

Speaker 2 I hope he still has it. I hope he has it.
You know, but here's how weird life is.

Speaker 2 And so when I went back to college to finally graduate in 2013, I'm in a Staples on Olympic, and I go because I drink lots of water and fluids. I go to go to pee in the Staples.

Speaker 2 And, you know, I'm not a, like, I like to go in the stalls of pee. I feel more protected, you know.
So I open the stall door. Guess whose face I look at?

Speaker 2 Adam. Adam DeVillo.
I haven't seen this person since 2000, maybe the first night of Hills filming. I've never even seen him since then.

Speaker 2 Open and he looks like I'm there to murder him, you know, because this is like some random Staples in the men's room, in the stall.

Speaker 2 He's coming out and he's like, and it took me, I didn't like process, like, who is, like, why is this?

Speaker 2 So out of context. Yeah, like, what's happening? I just want to pee.
Like, you're blocking the urinal here, like, toilet. Get out of the way.
And he's like, Spitzer, what are you doing here?

Speaker 2 I'm like, Adam? Like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm going to the bathroom. Like, I'm like, I'm going to be like, why are you in Staples? I'm like, buying books for college.
Why are you here?

Speaker 2 And he's like, because I work down the street and this is the better bathroom. I'm like, huh?

Speaker 2 So, you know, to this day, I think he doesn't believe I was buying Staples. And it was like, I can touch you if I want.
I could get you anywhere type. Like,

Speaker 2 just know anytime you're going to the bathroom, I could open the stall door and be there. Like, that's how I think God wanted me to have that last, like,

Speaker 2 don't ever feel too cozy on that toilet because that door could open and it could be me so

Speaker 2 you know like it was a weird moment but it's like i didn't have

Speaker 2 it had been three years i was back in college i didn't i hadn't been i'm now back in the game trying to be famous again so like i'm mad again but then i didn't like really care but he couldn't accept it like and i was so chill and i was like oh what are you up to like and he was like what are you and then heidi comes like why are you here and she's like i'm like it was just he probably he couldn't he did not believe it could have been a coincidence yeah no he's like you are here to kill me?

Speaker 2 Yeah. One of them.

Speaker 1 Stalking.

Speaker 2 1 billion percent. Here's the weirdest part.
So years before this, just to show you how demonic this project with the hills was,

Speaker 2 we go out for a pitch with one of these evil producers because, again, we're mercenaries and he's like, hey, I want to pitch you to Lifetime. We're like, okay, like...
his right-hand guy.

Speaker 2 So we go to this pitch and we're sitting there and he's like, it's amazing. We can all tell in this lifetime executive that we can all sit here.

Speaker 2 I mean, at one time we were trying to steal Heidi's soul and like Heidi Heidi just starts hysterically crying in real life because she's like so triggered by like knowing that like she felt that.

Speaker 2 And it's like the pitch went so sideways, like stealing her soul. Like, what?

Speaker 1 We Adam DeVillo said.

Speaker 2 His right hand man.

Speaker 1 Oh, his right-hand man.

Speaker 1 His is literally said at one point we were trying to steal Heidi's soul. Now look where we are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, like and we can all be together and like pitch.

Speaker 1 And Heidi's like, that's why I felt that way for so many years, you fucking psychos.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 What is the wildest thing you've done to make a headline

Speaker 2 tell us oh i mean any headline you ever saw i was behind and so it's like i actually thanks to my mom she's like

Speaker 2 i have a the biggest thing you've ever seen in your life of every cover tabloid everything i've ever been in and the other day i pulled it out just to like because i was going to do tick tocks on them i was like every one was the most crazy stories i'm like made that up made that up made that up.

Speaker 2 One time we made our entire house look like we were squatters. Not squatters, like, like,

Speaker 2 what are those people that like fill up a house with stuff? Oh, hoarders. Hoarders.
We filled it up with hoarders and like, you know, like just made it like piled up and like got a.

Speaker 2 in touch magazine cover like Heidi and Spencer are in squalor in touch cover. I think we got 25k.
Shout out Dan Wakeford.

Speaker 2 What the fuck?

Speaker 2 Yeah, like, so I mean, like, that's like a petty petty one but like everything you could ever think of we once did a deal for like a half a million just for four covers of us weekly there's no we didn't know what the covers were it's like let's make stuff up you know so i'd have to go through but like the weirdest thing that i didn't have to do with that i saw on headline recently that Heidi called me,

Speaker 2 the article said that Heidi called me like chicken legs or something and Spencer was going to get calf implants. I was like, calf implants?

Speaker 2 Like, even if I had, I do have, you know, I don't have a big calf but like I wouldn't I hate needles but like that's the level calf and I was like so I have so many of them that is behind them all you know what that's really cool that you have those like momentum oh I want to frame them all and Heidi's like there's they're not going on the wall I'm like this is art honey this is art put them next to our portraits in our homes of ourselves we do have every cover frame but I want to do that like I want spreads frame like six pages is every one of these are that's a lot of BS we had to to make up.

Speaker 1 I love that.

Speaker 2 So I should be in creative writing because these, like, you be on, and you just be, you know, I, I should be.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I don't think they will give you enough credit.

Speaker 2 I always complain about that. That's one of my, I'm chasing credit.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give it to you right now. Like, you went to USC.
The whole backstory, I'm happy you told us of the Princess Malibu. Like, knowing you went to Brazil, you were shooting.

Speaker 2 I will let you watch that. I want to watch that.
You can watch. You, I will let you.

Speaker 1 And then I'll tell you what I think.

Speaker 2 No, I know. You're going to be like, you could win an Oscar.

Speaker 2 It's insane. Like, it's the work of art.

Speaker 1 Okay, Spencer, what are you insecure about?

Speaker 2 Not getting credit.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 for my level of energy I've put into success,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 I don't get treated with any credibility. You know, so that's an insecurity in the sense that I've worked since 2004 non-stop on reality tv fame and you know

Speaker 2 and people are just like oh i hate a guy from the hills it's like that took work full like i was working yeah like that's a job um so you know that's definitely an insecurity and you know thankfully being a dad created my new focus on just being like the best dad.

Speaker 2 So it's like, it's less selfish.

Speaker 2 So no matter what, like I've now transitioned, like I'm kind of like a rap, you know, like, whatever happens with my career and like titles, like, now I've already moved on to, like, let me build the best superstar child and great human.

Speaker 2 So, like, that has been a great energy shift. What I, I wish it's a hard balance because I learned so many lessons, but, like, should I have had a kid sooner?

Speaker 2 Or did I need to go through everything to be ready to be a parent? So, uh, but insecurities.

Speaker 1 I know, I think that's a great answer. Do you think being a dad has changed you a lot?

Speaker 2 It made me now thirsty again because I'm like, you know, like, let's get success. And I've like, people are like, why are you still trying to be famous? Like, that is where I am at.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm not going to go be a banker now. I can't go be Camilla and be a lawyer.
Like, even though Kim's being a lawyer, like, I don't have that time for the baby bar.

Speaker 2 So, like, I am going to be a television star again. Gonna get a show.
I'm gonna produce. Like, that's why I'm now back in the game.
I think producing for you.

Speaker 2 you oh no it's it's going down like it's the the the slate is strong so that's the only reason why like like why do you want this again it's like because now it's time like I had already I was living in Santa Barbara at my parents beach house I was done but now it's because I could live like that with just Heidi and eat tacos and be chill but I want to give my son and future family members you know because Heidi doesn't want to stop at one so it's like I want to build you know solid you know because I grew up with an amazing life yeah It's too late to be a dentist.

Speaker 1 Spencer Pratt.

Speaker 2 I just want to look to the camera and thank the daddy gang.

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Speaker 2 You know, you kind of hijacked the daddy gang, but I was like, I think I and I used to literally claim as Snapchat of the year, as Pratt Daddy, I'll be like, gang, gang, we out here, gang, gang.

Speaker 1 They never saw it. No, no, you didn't.

Speaker 2 I know. You're too young.

Speaker 1 You can't hijack something you didn't know existed.

Speaker 2 No, energetically. Energetically.

Speaker 1 Honestly, thank you so much for coming.

Speaker 2 I'm not ending.

Speaker 2 I'm leaving. All right, I'm leaving.
Spencer's going to keep talking. This is the real way of the show.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Gotta go.
Goodbye.

Speaker 2 Clout

Speaker 2 Spotify live afterroom. I'm gonna be live after her show and doing my own live room.

Speaker 1 Goodbye, Spencer. Thank you so much for calling me on Call Her Daddy.
I really do appreciate it.

Speaker 2 We'll just cut. I'm not gonna stand up.

Speaker 1 Dude, you're great. That was great.

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