Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)

What is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy Hello? Oh my god. I feel like I know you.
I know. I know.
I've been so excited to meet you. This is going to be so good.
Do you need anything? This is crazy. No I've literally helped myself to like free Prosecco from the uh.
Wait what? I know there was, I don't even know.

Guys, I didn't get offered any. What the? It was in a fridge.
I just took it. You're like, let's go.
Welcome to London, babe. Oh my god, I'm so happy to be here.
What are we at? We're swearing for this pod. You fucking little dirty cunt.
I'm going to slide a dildo up your pod. You can say whatever the you want.
But I wondered, like, are we going to make drinks or whatever? I know, no one offered me a drink, so I was like, I think... Guys, can we get Alex and Paseca? So apparently Olivia's been drinking without me.
I found it in a fridge. I might have placed someone who goes to a corner shop.
It's upstairs in the fridge. There was four bottles, and I just took a tumbler.
Okay, ready? Atwood welcome to call her daddy like that sentence just gave me chills wait I love it so much I'm so happy to be here in your presence really yes okay I'm gonna give you a backstory because I'm gonna like I'm you up here. Okay.
Pandemic. I'm sitting in my New York City apartment.
I am so bored as we all are. And I'm like, I need to find a TV show that I can like go and binge.
Like I need to be here for days on end. And I find Love Island.
And I put on my social media and I'm like, what season do I start? Obviously UK. And everyone is like, you have to to watch three or five you have to watch three or five and so naturally I'm like I'm starting with three I click on three your beautiful face pops up and the entire season I was obsessed you were so incredible I was like I need to interview this girl and I thought this like over a year and a half ago two years ago.
So naturally I flew 5,000 miles so I could sit down with you and interview Olivia Atwood. This is crazy.
This is crazy to me. Like I've been a fan of the podcast forever.
I swear to God, the Instagram, everything is wild. Daddy gang, be nice to me.
Are you kidding me? They're going to be, they are going to gonna be so nice to you I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so freaking long and

I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like we can just do a zoom

I remember this a little bit yeah I was like are you fucking kidding me I'm not doing a zoom with

Olivia Atwood I hate zoom as well it's just not the same like can't drink prosecco let's go back a little bit okay because everyone knows you from Love Island and you were incredible on it. But before Love Island, young, young Olivia, not that young, but like, you know, I'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this, but you were so creepy.
You were a grid girl. Yeah.
Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job? What were you you doing i was a model but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps you know and i was at this thing we have in the uk called the touring car championships it's like pretty low-key whatever it was there it was a miserable fucking day it was like the north of england and i was like what am i actually doing like standing here with this sad little flag and then the monster girls were there with another team and one of the girls approached me and she was like would you you know want to work with us but you when you work with monster you can only do like monster you can't do like a bit of this bit of that so I said yeah um and then yeah I started like a week after that and I did that solidly for like oh god like four or five five years. I was like a monster girl.
So it's everything. It's like all sporting events, like ski, skate, like track, cars, motorbikes.
It's crazy. Obviously it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out.
And naturally I can only imagine like the parties and the vibes. What is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life? They were always wild.
Like it was, you know, the amount of times I turned up with no sleep. Like, I mean, I was just a different animal back then.
Like I couldn't do it now. Like I'd be in a fetal position, like rocking, crying.
Like I was, I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day. It was like, you know, it's like to be that age is just the dream.
But people always say to me, oh, the riders, the drivers. But, you know, like, the thing was like Formula One drivers, MotoGP, they don't drink.
Like, really, they don't. They are, like, quite a weird breed.
Like, they're not super social. It's a very, like, you know, isolated sport.
So they don't really get involved in, like, you know, partying and stuff. So it was more like I'd I'd end up like with the mechanics like I didn't give a shit if he was down to like drink with me and get messy I was all about it like I didn't care if you were changing tires earlier you saw grease on your hands if you want to go and like we'll pound a bottle of Jager let's do it like I had no prejudice I didn't give a shit I love that for you so much also I was I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before i know you're engaged to one and so i'm thinking like i forgot that concept like when you're younger you want to go for these athletes but it's almost like wait till you're like a little bit older because they don't fucking party no and they're so like obviously dedicated to what they're doing and focus and nothing is gonna like just disgusting i gotta imagine having dedication and you know self-control olivia and i are like it's so annoying that they won't party with us like i don't comprehend it i want to get a vibe olivia of like how would you describe your dating life before love island give it to us so i had a long-term relationship with just this piece of shit but i was with him for like four or five years it was like my first real thing and i was doing modeling and i was very obsessed with this relationship and i i almost you know my modeling agency was so done with me because i would flake on things because i just wanted to be with him all the time like I didn't even care to have my own money I had no drive it was a really good lesson for me I learned I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship at that young age because it taught me everything that I needed to know do you know what I mean like yeah to have your own money to have your own independence I just was obsessed and I was flaking on jobs he used to do his thing where he'd break up with me like on the Friday and be like, I'm going, whatever.
Like, you know, I'd be all anxious and like I'd be a mess. And then on Monday, he'd come back and be like, oh, no, like, let's work it out.
He just picked me up and dropped me all the time. So when like Monster actually gave me like a lifeline at that time that I needed, it's weird.
Everything in my life, I feel like with Love Island, Monster, it's like the universe has like thrown me this like life life vest like at that time it's like because doing Monster at first when I when I realized how much travel it was I was a bit like I don't want to like travel and be away from him because I was like obsessed for some reason and it's like doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people open my eyes to like oh my god there's just like massive world out there and you've made your world so freaking small like for what reason so it kind of opened my eyes to how dire the situation i was in was and then that broke down like for a good reason but then following that my dating was like pretty erratic like i just used to like you know go from one guy to the next i jump in really feet first like i am all about that i want them to obsess with me i want to be obsessed with them I want to get tattoos on the second date I want them to move in like I might you know they could come to the second date with my name tatted on their head and I'd be like I'm what yeah I'm literally oh do you want to go upstairs my friends are like that's insane I'm like I love him like yeah so I love that that obsessive being in love so I was always you know going kind of once the next chasing that feeling sometimes you have to go through those relationships right I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy and it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like oh my god and it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch and then all of a sudden you're like wait this shit is not healthy whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you and you all all of a sudden are like okay i need to like look at this differently at one point i don't think i had like my own debit cards it was ridiculous like i didn't i literally like when i say pulled the rug from under my feet every time he like left me i was like you know i was underweight and i was crying and i was just i was just like I was just it was so unhealthy and I just it just learning that at that age like you know my late teens early 20s was like I think a really important lesson to learn it just I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never gonna let myself be in that situation again yeah if Brad walked out tomorrow it would hurt like I wouldn't get over it in a day but i could still get in my car that i own drive somewhere get my own house like i mean i'm good like i'd be heartbroken but i'm good i'm not gonna be on my knees like i was with that situation i've been in one of those two and i think it's like wait if he left tomorrow what happens like am i okay like again heartbroken is different than like wait i literally have nowhere to live no money no friends my family is gone because i distanced myself like checking those moments i think i was like distanced from everyone like friends family like completely isolated like so yeah monster was like you know it was it threw me a lifeline um and we had the best i traveled the world this is my thing that i say is like you know people get on about grid girls or like you know ring girls and this anti-feminism like who we've had men telling us what to do now we've got other women telling us what to do if you feel empowered doing something and you're safe and you're in an environment like Monster is a safe you know it's a very safe gig for me who's anyone else to tell me that empowered me changed my life it threw me a lifeline you know that is amazing but at the same time you know it I couldn't I did it for four or five years and you know it's like I got to the end of my thing with it you know when you're working for a brand like that is you there's not much individuality like you know you have to have your hair a certain way your nails a certain way you do this that the other and towards the end I because I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit i started pushing the boundaries like burning some bridges you know just like acting like just acting up because i started to be like no i'm gonna come with red nails like just for the fucking hell of it right that's actually really cool though for you to like hear about the whole concept of how monster helped you because i agree i feel like so many people are so quick especially with whatever women are doing if anything has to do with your looks they're like it's degrading you're not empowering yourself and it's like hold on like why don't you ask me how I feel first thank you and I feel like what the thing is it's without this how do I say this without it coming off really bad obviously I you know think of myself as somewhat intelligent but some girls they are just they just do want to do their fucking hair and and look pretty and that's might be their thing in life and why can you tell them that that's not good enough or that's not empowering like what you know i'm not telling the girls at nasa you can't work there because i'm not clever enough to work there like let people do their thing yeah thank you for sharing that yes i welcome love island okay so we're gonna we're gonna go through a little bit of that for people that don't know also I just want you to know I only watch Love Island UK I think it's entertaining I haven't watched the Australia one have you I dipped in a little bit but not like is it as good I don't think anything's as good as UK it's not it's just not okay so for anyone who has never seen Love Island do you how do you describe like the concept of the show oh it's just not okay so for anyone who has never seen love island do how do you describe like the concept of the show oh it's like good looking girls and guys on an island dating it's a game show there's money at the end but the essentially it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you and it's it's a test it's you know who can find a real connection a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money although it's weird with love island like when you're in there no one really talk gives a shit about the money yeah it's kind of like you wouldn't you don't even need the money at the end the money it's just like a thing but it's it kind of yeah no one focuses on that in a weird way i love that though because i was thinking about it i feel like love island is so much more accepted and loved than consider like the bachelor it's like it's not realistic that after six weeks you're going to get married like i love how love island is like are we gonna hit it off and are we gonna leave here together as a couple like that's so much more realistic and obviously being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than alcohol there's like two glasses yeah yeah no but it is kind of wait they would would they limit you or are you joking wait are you joking wait why don't i know this two glasses on my series okay i can't speak we were all like balls to the wall crazy so we have been limited more than others. But we had two glasses of wine a night or beer.
That's shocking because I didn't realize none of you were hammered. So all that stuff I'm doing, I'm basically sober.
I'm just insane. You must be hammered when the fight scene happens.
No. I said they didn't have my drink yet.
And then I went outside and the producer said, you're not getting anything tonight. I was like, oh, you're joking.
I was like, honestly, I swear. I'm sober.
Can you imagine if we were licking up? It'd be like a fight club. No, it actually would have been probably like not even arable because it would have gotten so wild.
So the reason is, they say, because I questioned them every day. It's the point where they're like, if you ask about it again again you're going to get a written warning is what I was told in the beach hut because I argued

every day is that the the show is because it's about dating about love they don't want people

doing stuff you know driven by alcohol and the next day waking up being like oh I don't actually

like him I only snogged him because I was drunk because it's not that kind of show wouldn't make

sense they want people kissing and being in bed together because it's they want to not because

they're drunk right which is so different I feel like in real life though because let's be real

I mean, I've gone from living on my own since I was like 21 to doing what I want to being told, like, you know, you get two glasses. It was a real hard for my head to deal with.
Oh, yeah. I feel like I would feel that way, too.
OK, so that's a really good insider info I did not know. So when you got there in your mind and your experience, like what was the atmosphere and energy on that set? Series three was the one that like blew up, right? So we had series one and two in the UK that were popular.
So I was meant to go on series two. This is like the tea.
Wait, give us how you were cast. Okay.
Like tell me the tea. So it's really like an eye rolling kind of like nauseating ways but I was approaching Instagram they DM me so series two they DM me I only watched little bits of series one it was popular but really like no one was really talking about it I was doing the monster thing I'd started a thing off with this guy he was like a rider whatever like motocross thing and I was all about him we'd done the tattoos and stuff after the second day it was sweet and then you actually did yeah i've got it still now it's like a bit faded but yeah we did is brad like can we get rid of that he's the most leg back guy he's practically horizontal like he's he's got like the bde like you know is that what kim says like he's got that big energy he couldn't give a shit like he's yeah what is the tattoo of it's just his initial yeah i did it like this two weeks in stay care if brad had that i don't think so no i don't know i would have cut it out of him you're like no i wouldn't care i would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping like what what are you doing nothing also for everyone listening brad is olivia's fiance that's my okay great okay long suffering fiance meet this guy you get to a second date yeah we're all into it they approached me they're like you know so I went and I didn't we were just dating so I was like um you know I'll see it through went to meet like interviews whatever then they offered me on I was all like I was basically carrying it on as if I was gonna do it and then it got to like literally I'm leaving in like two weeks and I was like oh I don't know that like I've got a really good thing going I like this guy a lot this show is it a bit like you know i've seen all the kind of the program images with the colorful backgrounds and it was no one had really thought it was cool yet so i was like i'm doing something that i think is quite cool and with this guy so anyway i just i just ghosted i just blocked everyone from basically itv i just and were they like hello yeah they were like calling as i just panicked blocked everyone i was like it's gonna carry on my life and then basically i was with him for a good like nine months or something anyway he cheats on me sleeps with this girl i go like how did you find out uh i had like a you know just like a sixth sense i can't remember now the exact you just knew in your gut i just knew and i just i honestly i've mellowed so much i just went like i was yeah i was wait what did you do you have to tell someone call her daddy olivia i was just like writing on my instagram like wild stuff like ugly pictures of him like look at this piece of shit that cheated on me i was just like stuff that is a shame because i could never do that now because people would be like oh like you can't you know I just really enjoyed being like a nobody you know like just say what I wanted I was calling up his work non-stop I was just insane I was just literally my mum we were shopping in London when I found out my mum's like wrestling me like in self just trying to get the phone out of my hand because I'm doing so much damage she's like you need to stop you need to stop I'm like I I can't! And she's like, it's all for the better.
I'm like, no it to stop. You need to stop.
I'm like, I can't.

And she's like, it's all for the better.

I'm like, no, it's not.

I'm like, I can't believe he's done this to me.

No, I get that feeling though.

You're like, he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt

that I felt.

And so I get that.

I get that.

Yeah, I just went, I reindulged myself.

I treated myself to a proper meltdown.

Like I really did.

I was like smashed at 4 p.m.

rolling around London, just like ringing up his work. fucking crazy rang his mom um just everything i'm like your son's a piece of shit and she's like oh um yeah and then i saw this advert i swear again it's like a whole universe moment i saw this advert like casting for love and it was on like a bus stop or something to like seasons in three and i thought i should have done that last year so i go on my phone i find these people from love and i unblock a couple of them i just ring them up don't i just rang them up shout out to lewis he took the call i was like hi i was like do you remember me and he was like yes you're the girl that disappeared like and i was like well i was like i would love to have a chance to come on the show like I can't keep a straight face saying it and he was like I don't know what the execs are gonna say they're probably gonna tell you to like take a running jump he's like but I will speak to them um it's quite late in the day for like see I you know I think they'd already cast most people I just hung up I was then got all my feelings like what am I doing I doing? I don't want to do Monster anymore.
Like, this guy is a loser.

And he called me back, like, the next day.

And he's like, you can come on if you leave in two weeks.

So literally, that was it.

I went, like, on a mad, like, Zara haul.

Like, other brands are available.

And just got all the bikinis, dresses.

And, like, two weeks later, I was gone.

So once you got there and you were hanging, what was, was do you think the biggest key to success on Love Island so my thing going into it and I you know I'm really open about this when I had nervous feelings about going in I thought the worst thing you can do on these kind of shows I think is go in be booted out on week one and no one even remembers you were there like what was the point like I've left Monster they're not going to have me back I've burnt all those bridges I've left a modeling agency I've you know screwed off the guy that I was seeing like I felt like if I'm going to do this I have to do this properly and I'm going to make sure everyone knows that I'm in the building like that was my main thing and I really you know I just thought I'm gonna I thought to myself when I get in there I'm gonna forget those cameras I'm just gonna do it how i would live life but it's crazy like i know everyone says it but like after like 24 hours you really forget like you really forget you're like being watched oh my god like you know there were certain members in that villa who maybe were slightly more canny and were you know more self-aware i've always been unselfaware i'd like to say like if put me in now, I know that they get how many billions of viewers a night that I would behave a different way. I probably wouldn't because I can't, I cannot be anything but a hot mess.
I always talk about on my show, like guys, self-awareness is so key. And Olivia's walking and be like, I am so unselfaware.
Can you give us examples of what you mean by that? Because you don't see, I get what you're saying of like the hot mess. You look great put together right now.
You're speaking eloquently. But what do you mean by you're unselfaware? Just, you know, I hate this expression.
But you know, like wear your heart on your sleeve. I'm very like if I feel something or I don't like something, I don't like someone, I can't help but kind of, either my face says it or my mouth says it.
one of them is going to say it like I don't like something I don't like someone I can't help but kind of either my face says it or my mouth says it one of them is gonna say it like I can't you know I can't be a wallflower despite trying at times it's like verbal diarrhea I feel like I'm literally like chewing my lips and I just did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger oh like oh my god my mom used to say to me like what is this i'm adhd which i know now which explains a lot but at school i used to do the weirdest shit and then get in so much trouble and then i'd cry on the way home my mom'd be like but why did you do that and i'd be like i don't know i legit don't know okay well it made for really great reality tv okay so wrapping up love island when you look back what did you learn about yourself during or after filming that entire experience if i watch her now like you know i watch myself on love island i was quite angry you know i was you know my back was up like i was looking for an argument all the time i think i've mellowed i think it's not there's nothing i would have done differently because that's who i was at that time. And hindsight and age, I'm a lot more relaxed now.

I wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things.

But that's who I was then.

And also, it's like everything that has happened in my life is as a result.

If I'd gone in there, like, you know, medicated in the corner, like, not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here with you now.

I think that's such a good answer because I relate relate to that where like I started my show and I was 10 times crazier saying shit that probably like maybe wasn't at the now I look back I'm like I would never fucking say that now like I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now but I think it's like like, that's growth, right? And people are like,

no, like you can't change.

I'm not saying I changed.

I just grown and I have a different outlook

on like the way I was

when I was younger.

And there's different reasons

why you did what you did

on that show.

And if you went in there,

you still be loud and rowdy,

but you wouldn't maybe

come off like in certain ways

like you did in the past

because you don't have that

like baggage of those men

fucking you over

like you did when you were going in yeah congratulations of the new docuseries getting filthy rich yeah first of all i just have to ask you like how does that even feel like i'm already having massive imposter syndrome even being here with you but that's just tipped me over the edge i now feel like i'm sitting in someone else's body no no own it because you're a boss like it's incredible I want to just explain. I got an advanced copy of the first episode.
And so to anyone listening, this show follows Olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet. In the episode I saw, Olivia dives into the world of OnlyFans.
She creates a profile and interviews a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans. Okay.
I have to check myself. Let's check ourselves.
How do we look? Okay. Had you ever considered doing OnlyFans prior to creating the series? Not in a serious way i think i'd thought about it because

i had heard this thing people get saying to me oh you should make those photos that you pose

you should you could make loads of money on only fans kept hearing that again and again and again

so i was intrigued thinking is it as easy as that right so that was more i think you know i think

take me back pre-love island like you know grid girl olivia she probably would have done only fans

Do you know i think take me back pre-love island like you know grid girl olivia she probably would have done only fans do you know what i mean but me right now where i was i was more just intrigued as simple as it sounds way too good to be true totally is is only fans what started it for you or like what how did the show come about for you i think we were you know i was really looking to get into like docu-series world um obviously being from reality tv like you can be obviously put in a box and I'm happy with that box I actually love reality tv and I've got no like desire to be like it's the worst thing and get me out that box but I was interested I feel like you know on a good day when I'm sober I've got decent brain. I can articulate myself like to a certain degree.
So I thought I definitely have more springs to the table. So yeah, we were talking with different networks, different ideas.
And when this one came up, I thought that's a really good fit. And I'm genuinely fascinated.
So it's going to be like, you know, exploring that area is going to be a genuine interest. Absolutely.
And I feel like in I know I only saw the first episode, but like it translates. Like I was talking about it with my team and we were like, this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of like, I don't know many people that could have handled it as gracefully and respectfully, but also made it so fun as you because it is like a sensitive topic and definitely another woman needs to be in that room but also someone that's like willing to see both sides and be a part of the experience I thought it was really cool so you get on OnlyFans in episode one what was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans the 24-hour aspect of it like I didn't I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me you know from people i spoke to was you make the profile you stick the pictures on and the money just comes in that's not how you make money the money's made in the dms like the constant communication it's like the girls that are making the big money they are on the site 24 hours a day like you know talking to these people respond and when you don't respond because they've paid to be on your page they just hound you like question mark question mark like you know where are you like you know I was like quite taken back by that at first I was also because again I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like everyone listening if you don't have only fans we all kind of have this idea in our head right of like you're right the girl has the profile she posts some photos she gets money and in this episode it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working like when you were like wait so what would happen if a guy is gonna pay you like a thousand dollars to sext him and you're out and she was like i would go to the bathroom and i was like oh shit like it never stops and i could see you were kind of like wait this is giving me anxiety having this many messages on my phone and these people kind of thinking they have like a claim over me of like hi like you owe me something yeah um did you feel empowered while on only fans i don't think i did because i had the account obviously for documentary purposes so it was my own but i also i couldn't take like ownership over it because you know because i was trying to find that line of like you know i'm using it and i'm seeing how it works to do you know justice to this show but also it's not mine in the sense where i'm going to engage in like you're not going to send nudes out because they'd be out there forever so it was hard for me to you know land in a place where it felt like i was in control i guess because you know these people subscribe they want nudity they want like they don't want bikini pictures like that that's the biggest myth I think you know I think if you're already famous whatever you could monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time a limited amount of time and then you're gonna have to do more or it's just gonna die out or you're gonna be earning not enough to like live off I think that's also insightful because I feel like I've heard a lot of people like oh I'm just gonna post some of like my bikini photos on there and no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds and then people get annoyed it's like we'll take your top off blah blah and there's a lot of it feels like pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for a hundred percent I think and you know the temptation is like it's crazy like you know the dm start coming through like you know 500 quid for it's a picture of your nipples and it's like if you were in a situation where you need 500 quid like how easy would it be just and i think there's a disconnect isn't there between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone where like you could just do it and send it and there's the money but then it's like it's gone and you can never bring it back and i think for and i i you know i it sounds like i said that with judgment because i have i you know you can see what i have no judgment but i think the danger is i think

for some girls it's absolutely great and they kill it and that you know every every downside

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and they find themselves in these on this site and they weren't expecting the pressure and they maybe succumb to pressure that they weren't gonna you know they go in there saying i'm gonna do xyz and they end up doing more and then you're that feeling of regret and shame and i think that's sad you know totally I felt like in the episode you did a really good job of meeting with like a multitude of people showing the difference like there were some people in this episode that had such a niche like way about going about it like whether it was the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness and it's like she kind of had her angle and she felt I think it appeared empowered because she was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness. And it's like she kind of had her angle and she felt, I think, it appeared empowered because she was doing something she loves, which is working out and then just monetizing the hell out of it.
Then there were some other girls that were kind of like, I started and I just kind of started like with just underwear pictures. And then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves.
And then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back. Did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing? I think it was a mix, to be honest.
I think some very much yes and some not so much. Like, you know, I always, it's my thing where I went back to the grid girl thing it's like the whole feminist argument it's like who is anyone else to say what empowers someone if someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman more power to you like get it like a hundred percent but i think there was some that i met with and definitely over the other films like you know the porn episode and sugar babies again we you know I meet both sides I meet people that I can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving yeah so I think it's just it's not for everyone and the thing that was going into it in the whole you know it's like a cheeky title like how to get filthy rich but the idea was to see like is it actually that easy because we all do it I do that thing where I'm like or I'm doing something I'm like oh I'm just gonna quit and do only fans and do something easy like and then you realize oh shit like it's not easy which I think is great especially for women that this show is coming out because I do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because I so agree with you people are like oh fuck this I'm gonna quit my day job and go do only And it's like, I don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much not only goes into it actually physically, but also mentally seeing these women.
There's just like a lot behind it that I think you did a great job of capturing. For me, it's like every job right you do in the world has like this added tax, right? So if you're, you know, what I do, I'm showing every part of my life has a tax you know instagram has an emotional tax it makes me feel sometimes i feel judged i feel stressed or if you work in the city and you're there like you know six days a week 10 o'clock at night you don't see your kids that's a tax so does this like this is not does not come without the downside you know like the judgment and i think you know these sites and you know you're seeing in cam girls episode as well it's like the the it is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit like and these girls have to read this stuff hear this stuff with no one to really help them like break down the terrible things they've either said to them or they asked them to do right and some of the things that I heard were just absolutely shocking.
The fact that they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day, and how does that then affect their relationship with other straight men in their lives? Because what I think is so interesting is this whole online sexual economy debate. We're all so focused on the girls.
The girls who are doing only fans like oh my god they're the worst but it's our dad's brothers colleagues who are buying the shit no one's worried about them they're the ones asking for them to do x y stick this up your ass they're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the sewers they are the men in our lives i love how you're saying that as much as it may pain people you're right it's like it's true it's your dad it's your brother because the man doing it is someone's son is someone's dad is someone's husband you know what i mean but we don't have a problem with them we have a problem with the girls providing the content but we're talking about millions of pounds a year this isn't like a niche this is like the majority of men not all the majority it's really interesting talking about cam girls i was interested because i obviously haven't seen the episode but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on only fans so for me when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be i was like cam girls i think i don't know if you have it in the states like babe station you know the tv you get the channel where they've got the phone and i was like is that even a thing anymore it felt very 90s like it's the kind of thing that i would flick onto when i was younger and like the home telly and be like oh my god right so but it turns out it's still like big money industry and this is like you know we went i spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones but it's also on like webcam so they kind of like they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girls there and then they can call the phone the girl will take the phone so it's like they can either do it from their home or in the studio but it's contained to like the site do you know what i mean yeah did you find that most of those women have only fans or no a lot yeah not, yeah. Not all, but most.
Because it's just a no-brainer. But a lot of the girls who work in the site, they maybe have OnlyFans and they just kind of dip their toe in it because they do the camming because they like the fact that they log on for a camming shift for five, six hours and then they go and they leave and it's done.
Whereas OnlyFans never leaves you alone alone it's constantly you know it's on your phone you never get a break so they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl it's like that's work and then literally like clock off go home and they've got kids and normal lives and husbands and they just leave that and then the next day they go back and they go back to work that makes sense because the only fans episode really like again you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an every day every minute of your life thing where now i'm now i understand so i'm like why would a girl do cam girling if it's only fans you can do it from home there is a boundary yeah do you know like which cam girls obviously we haven't seen the episode yet but like the idea of it like, like who would make the most money? Like what kind of version of camming? In what sense? Are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in camming? Like it's insane. One thing across all episodes you'll see is like this.
And I really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and pick this apart because it has to be a reason. Yep.
This feet thing every single episode there's this undercurrent about feet so the girls in the county's the ones who are like great at the feet chat who can like dangle the soletto on their big toe like do all the they kill it because literally six out of ten calls will be about feet what the fuck is up with men and feet i don't know but we need i need to get to the bottom i do too we should honestly call us like i'm gonna call my therapist right now and be like hi what the fuck is up like some connection something like freudian nightmare because these all the way through yeah okay you talk about sugar babies what was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies that That it's always an exchange maybe for sex for money. And I met girls, you know, and people might roll their eyes and go, oh, bullshit.
No, these girls are like honest with me. Like there is arrangements where it's not sexual.
It's just dinner. Like, or it's just company or it's some of them.
It's not even in person. It's just talking.
And he might, you know, pin them like 500 quid or whatever. Right.
So I thought, who the hell is going to give someone money? Do you know what I mean? For nothing, basically. Oh, yeah.
I've heard of people also, like I had a friend that did it and it was just to go to dinner and just to basically be his date. And I'm like, eventually, is it going to progress to sex? they they do kind of ask I think but like for a while you can kind of stay in that gray zone which again kind of reminds me of the only fans thing where like you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like I'm comfortable with this and then someone's going to ask and then you have to know like how to set that boundary for yourself 100% and I think one of the girls I've met um she you know she'd had this arrangement with a guy for like three four years you know she's never had sex with him and she said it's all about your approach like from day one you set that you it's the way you approach the situation that you approach that guy and you let him know that and I think that's you know where experience age everything comes into it same with only fans I think you know you have to be a very strong person to be like this is my boundaries and i'm not gonna move whereas i think if you approached it and you're not really sure what you're gonna your angle is and it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you totally because you don't even know yourself but i think what did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby i think maybe just living in that limbo land.
You know, it's like you don't have a boyfriend, but you're not single. And they, essentially, they are the one handing out the money.
So you have to kind of, you know, I guess, I mean, it depends how much money we're talking. You know, a lot of the girls, it's hard for them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby because some of these guys want them with them all the time and then you know i think some of the girls i spoke to it's like it's great if you've got a great thing going but if he just like drops you like that you can go from living this like unreal lifestyle that's where it's like being smart like you know getting the allowance banking the money whereas like i think if you're younger and just like living life and spending and then he's just like oh bye you could be like i can't afford my apartment i can't afford my car like it's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with it but you have to know like 100 this takes way more work than we give these women credit for oh like they are straight up hustlers like if you the girls that do it right it's like it's an art form at the peak like you know like you say it's like it's like any relationship when you're young or like you know you're not thinking straight you don't set your boundaries your standards so that means the standards and the back there's just all a mess like so it's like anything you have to go in and be like this is what it is this is what i want from you this is what I'm going to give you it's like we literally we need someone to like that's done this to like create a crash course which I kind of think you're in a way this is like the beginning of it because by you peeling this layer back it's giving people kind of that like introduction of what the world will be if you're interested in it and I think for a while there hasn't been that.
So women are just blindly going into it because they just have money on the mind, which I so get. Who doesn't? But it's like there's no idea of how far it's going to go and what's going to happen.
Because I think what I love about this show is that it's like an immersive documentary, but it has heart and it has humor and we're not coming at it from an angle. Whereas I think other shows that have looked at these subjects are coming from like a slightly judgmental it feels kind of like seedy i don't think there's anything wrong with you know dating someone for like financial gain or you know life experience or you know whatever it may be for travel like what the hell you know if you're two consenting adults, you're not hurting anyone.
What does it matter? But I think, like you say, like young girls need to, and I think this is what this show is nice because it's very balanced. We're not glorifying anything.
The girls are really honest. They're like, I make, you know, Bonnie, she's like, I'm making 250 grand a month for my best month.
But it's a heavy load to carry. Like, it's not just as easy as that, you know? Totally totally i know i haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it but you also experienced the porn hub world what was your approach for that episode were you nervous i was excited oh yeah i was excited i was like i actually think i say in the beginning of episodes like i've only seen one penis for the last couple of years.
I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to like see some willies and like just be amongst it.
And also just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made. Yeah, how was that like? Like, I mean, obviously I went to an orgy one time.
I'm like giggling because it's, you know, when it's right there in the flesh. But it's just, it's all so different to how you imagine it to be.
I can imagine. I learned like the cum shot, you know, on the thumbnails on the website, that's like Gaviscon.
Do you have Gaviscon? No. It's like a heartburn medication.
They just throw it over the girl's face, not even semen. Stop.
I swear, at the beginning of the shoot, they'll sit there when they pour like this heartburn medication or something like goopy and they position it all perfectly and they do all the photos. Yeah because I was thinking like actually when you think about it now it makes sense because like who has like that much semen and also the positioning of it's always like perfect.
Perfect. Then they wipe it all off then they do like then they'll do still shots then they'll plan out like you're gonna be there doing doggy it's just mental it's a full production full production which i think is nice to hear and i'm glad that you're kind of like breaking down that wall again because i know when i was like i'm gonna get a facial from this guy's penis and he's gonna go all over my face and i remember the first time it happened it went right in my eye and i fully was like blackout like couldn't see like was just like fucked for the rest of the week and I'm like wait why does it look like this on porn because it doesn't actually

fucking happen that doesn't happen like that

what why are people do you think still shooting for porn sites if OnlyFans exists? We had this kind of, that was like a question that went throughout that film. And ultimately is that there is still a demand for high production value porn.
People still like it, you know. OnlyFans i think is like your impersonating intimacy you know it's that intimate thing the back and forth the messages you know giving someone that like personalized experience whereas porn is much more you know a fantasy it's costumes it might be in a style that someone you know like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever like Like it's a different, it's a completely different thing.
But aren't women in porn not making as much? Oh, sorry, you meant the actors. No, no, that was actually helpful too, yeah.
So a lot of them are doing both now. But the thing is with the bigger porn stars, they might have like really big contracts with like a Brazzers or, you know, Digital Playground or something.
And they're like on really good money. So it's, and I think, you know, some of them have like really big contracts with like a brazzers or you know digital playground or something and they're like on really good money so it's and i think you know some of them have like no only fans policy you know if you like you have that contract um i know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the states than it is in you know the uk in terms of porn and stuff but yeah the bigger porn stars i think they stick to their like it's like a trade isn't it like you know they it's like there's a skill they've you know and they have they make really good money so they all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big check whereas what they'd have to do in OnlyFans to make the same would be way more laborious.
In your episodes and through your experience like did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not um I met I met a girl who was um a girl Alex who was she'd done only fans and she was wanting to move into porn um and she to me was someone who seemed really unsure it felt it filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her actually and she um went and she did like uh I think like a handjob video or whatever, and she hated it,

and then she realised it wasn't for her,

and I was like,

thank God that you did that,

and not something else,

like,

so you could make that decision,

I spoke to the girls,

who were like regular porn stars,

like Scarlett I spoke to,

like a lot of the really professional shoots,

they will have like,

a check sheet at the beginning,

so they'll be like,

they'll go through it,

the stars,

it'll be like anal tech, or strangling, she could be like, no, don't. And they X and tick everything that's like a yes or a no.
And then that's like the print. Like, no one strays from that.
She said, don't touch my arsehole so he can't, or vice, do you know what I mean? But then she said, you know, she'll go to shoots where like, they don't do the checklist and it's just a bit of a free-for-all. So, you know, there is, you know, I think there is risk involved.
I think that's why OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because, you know, it takes away a lot of that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people. Absolutely.
Yeah. Which episode was your favorite to create and why? I'm going to surprise everyone this, I think.
But Cam Girls, I think, is my favorite episode. Purely just, it's a really hard one because it's like, I love them all.
It's like my babies. But Cam Girls, the girls I met were just, I really, I don't know, I just connected with them.
It was just so much heart and they were so open with me. And it was such a diverse kind of range of girls who like, to this studio do this job which is just so crazy to a lot of us like you know and then they go home and they're mothers or they've got other jobs and it's just like there's so much more than what people would pigeonhole them as and I just loved it I love being in the studio I love being with the girls what was the studio like just are they in a room by themselves it's like big studio and it's like, like section down all the way.
It's open, right? And each booth is like different colors or different themes. And the girls are all in there on the phone and the webcam.
And so when you're on an evening while it's in there, it's just a room of like sex noises, dirty talk, like all competing over each other. But they say like they can hear each other a bit.
But it's not that loud. But to me, it can you even think straight because it's like literally i'm talking like you know like when you go to a photo shoot and there's those polystyrene yes that's what's separating each thing and it was my head when i left that night was like spinning i was like just listening to everything the phone's ringing right i answer the phone's this guy and he's like panting down the phone i was like this is did you talk to someone yeah i was like giving him all the chat and then i just couldn't and i give us a little preview i was like hey baby are you horny and then i don't know why i'm doing american accent that's just what came out i feel like if you're gonna do a porn voice it has to be american wait really yes like i didn't think about that because i just feel like most porn you watch is give me your best american hey baby are you horny do you want to fuck what's that not like hey hey daddy hey daddy gang yeah we're like getting so nasty like daddy gang that's really interesting too did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends or did was it kind of like do you know get out of there i think that's why i like that's why i kind of got emotionally involved with that place because they were like it's like a bit of a sorority vibe like they was all like and what made me feel nice is that and the thing which i think makes doing only fans or coming from home really hard if they got a call and some guy asked them like to do some terrible thing you know if people call up and ask like disturbing things like will you pretend to be like my sister or my mom and i'm gonna rape you it's just horrendous and they have to like mentally like process the fact that that is an actual human being out there in the world having these thoughts they then have each other to lean on they can be like i just had this call and they all can relate whereas you know other girls who are doing only fans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing only fans if they bring their friend who works like as a dental hygienist i'm like someone just asked me to stick remote control on my ass like she's gonna be like can't relate like yeah like at work babe yeah well yeah gotta go to a meeting just i can't help you whereas i think for them it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing and they can all relate to each other and that's amazing and I think it's it's just cool to hear that because I can imagine at times the OnlyFans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home sure are great but then being alone you're like what the fuck and it's all about the numbers and it can be quite competitive I think and they're obsessing over yeah totally so you really immersed yourself in each of these episodes was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable do you know what it is what's hard for me it's like I'm open I'm pretty liberal like I you know this it's hard because there's stuff that I would do if I wasn't like live from love island because I'm I was trying to always walk the line of like I, I want to do this documentary, I want to be immersive, I want to get my hands dirty, but I also want people to, like, not get confused.
I don't want this to become about me. So if I, you know, I was thinking on OnlyFans, I want to post something more sexy to, like, see how that...
But then I'm thinking the only thing that will happen is then that photo of me will just get pulled out of there, put in British tabloids, out of context, and then it's not going to become about what it's about. So it was me trying to be really immersive without going to a point where people get distracted and they're just worried about what I'm doing.
Oh, my God, she's got her kit off. I'm sure when the show comes out, there's going to be, I do this sex call and whatever, and people are going to, I was an extra in a porno and all this shit and i love that but it's like yeah it was just finally trying to find the right right we in the porno do you get naked no okay but see i maybe would have like got you know i wouldn't have like went topless or something but yeah i don't know i can't for who i am now yeah because it would have been people would have been like oh you know she's just yeah and again it's almost like the whole whole thing.
I'm doing this documentary and I'm wanting to like break down these walls of like stigma and the way we pigeonhole women. And then I'm there.
It was like a head fuck because I'm like, well, I can't go in my underwear too many times. And people would be like, well, she's not really a presenter because she's constantly naked.
So it's like, and I'm feeling the same stigma myself. It's like a matrix.
Yeah when i was watching episode one and with the only fans there were when two of the girls were shooting on the side you made a comment and you're like oh my god i have this like i'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls what why did you feel that i think i know this thing you're talking about just those two girls were so young and they you know i don't want to sound patronising they probably like would think oh fuck off we're fine like mind your own business grandma like do you know what I mean when I was their age I would have been thinking I'm literally making money but I just think I just I saw especially more in one than the other I was like I just reminded me when I was her age and I was so like ambitious and reckless and she might be way more mature than I am and she might do this for the next 10 years and smash it and i hope that is the case but you know when someone's a little younger than you as a girl and i just looked to her i don't know i just just i just felt it's she was talking and reading out some messages she's had from guys that were pretty hardcore like really emotionless and i just thought i hope that you're okay like i hope Do you i mean i just and that sounds really fucking patronizing but that's me being really honest of how i felt in that moment i'm not you know i appreciate no judgment i just it's like more like a big sister feeling i wanted to be like yes i mean i felt it while watching it because i was like oh my god like i just want to make sure because there maybe aren't guidelines of when that one girl mentioned, like, this guy, like, sent me my address and said, I know where you live. I was like, when it comes to safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous.
And I think that's something that's not talked about enough. It's like, sure, we can glamorize all of it that the media does.
But, like, this show is helping because you're hearing from their mouth, not other people that gossip like what their day-to-day is like you say it's like taking out the shadows like if your friend wants to have a sugar daddy fine but she needs to feel like she can tell you and where she's going rather than sulking off like into the darkness and not telling and putting themselves in danger judge yes if they feel like safe and it's it's accepted they can tell their I'm going to drop my pin you can check that you know I'm safe because it's like a murky world it is which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the healthiest and safest option oh god that's really hard because I feel like it's just down to the individual some people you know being a sugar baby just wouldn't work whereas you know other people being on i couldn't spend that much time on my phone i hate how much time i spend on my phone as it is like doing instagram and stuff but i could not be that logged into a website you know so i yeah i think it's person to person yeah that's interesting because it's like if you are a super outgoing person maybe the sugar baby situation is more for your personality yeah whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever like maybe only fans or that could not be the case like everyone's gonna feel different if you want to be out and you want to travel and you want to be social like being a sugar baby be great or you know vice versa I think yeah what and okay so now we're like wrapping up like having this conversation I really appreciate this series and what you're doing to kind of conclude in this conversation though like what advice would you give to women after experiencing and watching all of this that are interested in getting into either camming or OnlyFans or porn or sugar baby? I think as hard as it is to block out the outside noise of what other people think you should be doing. Because I always think when people say, oh, there's something bad.
Does it feel bad? If it makes you feel good, go for it. But think about it.
Like about it like don't like just sleep on it a little bit and also going into any of those areas of work as hard as it may be to stick to them I think try and go in with like your boundaries this is what I'm going to do you know I always think you're with OnlyFans that one of the massive issues is like the content leaking if something which unfortunately at the moment the leaking is such

a problem whatever you post nine times out of ten will be leaked so if you would just die if that was out and your family and friends saw it then maybe you don't post it yeah if you wouldn't if you could own it then do it I think it's just like yeah having your boundaries and what you can be happy with. I love that because I feel like the even just the first episode I was so interested and listening and really learning from it and there's so many great things that I can't even imagine the rest of the series like every single person listening we have to go watch it when it comes out because I feel like the boundary thing you're right that is it It's like watching these girls starting on OnlyFans and the girls were like, I started posting this photo.
But then when you, you're so right when you earlier said like, when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a picture of your tits and your phone is in front of you, you never have to like interact and see the man. It's like, it's a fake world almost in your mind mind so you really have to keep in mind of like what did I come into this believing in for myself is right and how I'm gonna be able to sleep at night feeling good yeah and I appreciate you saying that you're right like nine times out of ten these photos will be on the internet and if you are okay with that thrive yeah but just know that line because yeah I don't think enough people talk about that no you know what i mean and i think you're right and i think it's you know it's it's not about glorifying it or or condemning it it's just being real like yeah like we're not here to judge and we're not saying like everyone go sign up today like it's like it's happening in the world so we need to talk about it especially because it's mostly women but it's also like let's just have an honest conversation about it's like i would say you know about reality tv when people it's so easy people to condemn about it, especially because it's mostly women.
But it's also like, let's just have an honest conversation about it. It's like I would say, you know, about reality TV, when it's so easy for people to condemn it.
It's like no one's got a gun to anyone's head, right? So if you go into it with your eyes open. So if you are willing to go, you know, onto a TV show and expose yourself to the world, think about it.
Like, don't do your sleep on it. And think of the pros and the cons, make a list.
I mean, it's easy for easy for me so I'm really impulsive I literally make all my decisions like that but I mean yeah it'd be a nice idea to weigh everything up totally and I think and then I have one last question but I do think it was really cool because I was thinking about it when I was watching that first episode and I was like I feel like a really also good way for women before getting into it would be reaching out to some creators and being like hey I know you have no idea who I am yeah I'm thinking of starting an OnlyFans do you have like five minutes of your time to just chat because your show I just forgot one area that really freaks me out is the referral thing so other content creators if they can get someone to sign up they get like a bonus so that was one area that I was a bit like, oh, like, so I think, yeah, if you can speak to someone you trust, but I do think there's a bit of a, like a thing where like girls are recruiting other girls. It's like an ulterior motive.
Yeah. So that's the only thing because they give that girl or boy, you know, this boy's like, you know, like a bonus if they get someone to sign up.
So I think, yeah, so you just have to be to be really savvy okay so definitely don't reach out to anyone never mind just literally watch live's new show because that is you're breaking it down and everyone has a different perspective last question okay what was your biggest takeaway from creating this series I think I touched on it briefly it's just

the interest

that we live in this world where all the obsession is on the women creating the content, but no one's talking about the people buying it. Right.
The reason OnlyFans is what it is is because all the men in our society, the demand. And not that there's anything wrong with that, but I I just think it's interesting we're never looking at the people asking for you know whatever it is we're always looking at the people providing it and you know and shaming them and looking down on them but we don't worry about the fact that it's probably Bob from next door like he's the one asking for the feet video.
Do you know what I mean? Totally.

We've got a long way to go to move that,

the sexism and the stigma.

I think, you know,

I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and, you know, it kind of humanises these girls.

I think it's very easy to dehumanise people

that work in the sex industry.

And I think the online sexual economy

is even more dehumanising

because we just see them as like robots online.

But these are real people with real lives

Let's go. work in the sex industry and i think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online but these are real people with real lives with families with partners whatever yeah and we they should be treated like that i think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of like showing the behind the scenes and exactly what you just said We are, all of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media in the world we live in and this show

is like no let's humanize these people let's go into their bedrooms let's see their lives let's

see the cars they drive let's watch them through day to day and it's i think it's amazing daddy

gang you need to go watch it is going to be amazing i love you i'm so I'm so honored you're here. This was so fun.
Thank you so much. Amazing.
Thank you for having me. The amount of things that are said on Love Island that as someone from the United States, I had to Google furiously because I'm like, what is she saying? He's a melt.
What does a melt mean? What is happening? What is going on? I'm Googling like a freak. And I just was obsessed.
I started speaking in the accent. Then it was awful.
Then I had to move on. But I need to go through some of these terms and ask you to explain them for me.
I hope I'm not down with the kids enough to actually get this. No.
I might be sad. Okay, you can start with what the fuck does a melt mean? A melt, like a drip.
Do you say that in the States? No, with her. Just like normally if you say it about a guy who's got no backbone, they're just a drip.
Just like a wet rag. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I feel like we would say like a pushoverhover like weak yeah or maybe it's it can be a guy or a girl but a lot of times people say it about a boy you know you know when they start to like a girl and they go soft they go oh he's a male like yeah yeah yeah it's that you know it's toxic masculinity thing of being like if you're nice to a girl you're a male if that's what it is okay that makes sense me off? Like ghosted, like just done. Okay, but you guys say pied instead of ghosted.
Well, we say ghosted, but pied is like he ended it. He just broke up, yeah.
Got it. Okay, mugged off.
The similar thing. Like mugged off would be more just like, yeah, a guy just kind of tosses you to the side like with not much explanation.
And if you were someone's attractive you guys would say he's fit yeah love that and it has no like relation to their physical like what would you call someone if you're like oh he's fucked a lot of girls shagga shagga okay we would say i guess like i tried to do the accent it came out so bad it's like a mix between like austral. It's awful.
Okay. So we would probably say like he's a player or like a man whore.
Yeah. We say fuck boy.
But not. Yeah.
But not. But yeah.
Or she's a shagga. Shagga.
Shagga. Okay.
That's stunning. I want that as my ringtone.
Okay. Cracking on.
What does that mean? Cracking on would normally mean like you meet a girl. You've exchanged numbers.
You're going you're cracking on you just yeah we would say like vibing yeah got it okay what is grafting you know um i can't think of what the american term would be but like working a girl like you're dming you asking you out he's putting the work he's got the hard hat on the boots the shovel like he is he's in it yeah he's doing everything like do you see that as a negative kind of no like okay like he's putting in work yeah like you they need to graft like for sure because i remember in the show it was like oh he's really grafting or he's grafting he's grafting grafting grafting or grafting if you're in the north grafting we're grafting okay that makes a lot of sense because it was so fun. I think that's also why I enjoyed, because I was, like, learning so much about the term.

Yeah, it was education mixed with a little psychotic behavior, and it made for great

TV.