Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)

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Speaker 2 Oh my god.

Speaker 2 I feel like I know you. I know.
I know.

Speaker 2 I've been so excited to meet you. This is going to be so good.
Did you need any?

Speaker 2 No, I've literally helped myself to like free Prosecco from the uh wait, what? I know there was, I'm in my, I don't even know.

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Speaker 1 You fucking little dirty cunt. I'm gonna slide a dildo up your pod.

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Speaker 1 I know, no one offered me a drink. So I was like, I think.

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Speaker 1 So apparently, Olivia's been drinking without me.

Speaker 2 I found it in a fridge. I was up.
I might have paid someone's Go-To-Corner shop. It's upstairs in the fridge.
There was four bottles, and I just took a tumbler. Okay, ready?

Speaker 1 yeah ready olivia atwood welcome to call her daddy like that sentence just gave me chills by the way like i haven't got goosebumps wait i love it so much i'm so happy to be here in your presence really yes okay i'm gonna give you backstory because i'm gonna like i'm gonna lube you up here okay okay pandemic i'm sitting in my new york city apartment i am so bored as we all are and i'm like i need to find a tv show that i can like go and binge Like I need to be here for days on end.

Speaker 2 And I find Love Island.

Speaker 1 And I put on my social media and I'm like, what season do I start? Obviously, UK. And everyone is like, you have to watch three or five.
You have to watch three or five.

Speaker 1 And so naturally, I'm like, I'm starting with three. I click on three.

Speaker 1 Your beautiful face pops up. And the entire season, I was obsessed.
You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl.

Speaker 1 And I thought this like over a year and a half ago to two years ago. So naturally, i flew 5 000 miles so i could sit down with you and interview olivia atwood

Speaker 2 this is crazy this is crazy to me like i've been a fan of the podcast forever like i swear to god the instagram everything

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Speaker 1 And I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like, we can just do a Zoom. I remember this.

Speaker 1 Yeah. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not doing a Zoom with a little bit of a

Speaker 2 Zoom as well. Well, it's just not the same.

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Speaker 2 I can't.

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Okay, because everyone knows you from Love Island and you were incredible on it.

Speaker 1 But before Love Island,

Speaker 1 young, young Olivia, not that young, but like, you know, I'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this, but you were like so creepy. You were a grid girl.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job?

Speaker 2 What were you doing? I was a model, but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps, you know, and I was at this thing we have in the UK called like the touring car championships.

Speaker 2 It's just like pretty low-key, whatever. It was there.
It was a miserable fucking day. It was like the north of England.
And I was like, what am I actually doing?

Speaker 2 Like standing here with this sad little flag. And then the monster girls were there with another team.
And one of the girls approached me and she was like, Would you, you know, want to work with us?

Speaker 2 But when you work with monster, you can only do like monster. You can't do like a bit of this, bit of that.
So I said, yeah.

Speaker 2 And then, yeah, I started like a week after. And I did that solidly for like, oh God, like four or five years.
I was like a monster girl. So it's everything.

Speaker 2 It's like all sporting events, like ski, skate,

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 1 track cars motorbikes it's crazy obviously it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out and naturally i can only imagine like the parties and the vibes what is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life They were always wild.

Speaker 2 Like it was, you know, the amount of times I turned up with on no sleep. Like, I mean, I was just a different animal back then.
Like, I couldn't do it now.

Speaker 2 Like, I'd be in a beetle position, like, rocking, crying.

Speaker 2 Like, I was, I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day it was like you know what it's like to be that age it's just the dream but people always say to me oh the riders the drivers but you know like the thing was like formula one drivers motor gp they don't drink like really they don't they're like they are like quite a weird breed like they're not super social it's a very like you know isolated sport so they don't really get involved in like you know partying and stuff so it was more like i'd end up like with the mechanics like the i didn't give a shit if he was down to like drink with me and get messy, I was all about it.

Speaker 2 Like, I didn't care if you were changing tires earlier, you saw grease in your hands. If you want to go and like, well, pound a bottle of yoga, let's do it.
Like, I had no prejudice.

Speaker 2 I didn't give a shit. I love that for you so much.

Speaker 1 Also, I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before. I know you're engaged to one.
And so, I'm thinking, like, I forgot that concept.

Speaker 1 Like, when you're younger, you want to go for these athletes, but it's almost like wait till you're like a little bit older because they don't fucking party.

Speaker 2 No. And they're so like, obviously, dedicate to what they're doing and focused, and nothing is going to like just disgusting.
Oh my god, imagine having dedication and you know, self-control.

Speaker 1 Olivia and I are like, it's so annoying that they won't party with us. Like, I don't comprehend it.
I want to get a vibe, Olivia, of like, how would you describe your dating life before Love Island?

Speaker 2 Give it to us. So

Speaker 2 I had a long-term relationship with

Speaker 2 just this

Speaker 2 priestesship.

Speaker 2 I was with him for like four or five years it was like my first real thing and I was doing modeling and I was very obsessed with this relationship and I almost you know my modeling agency was so dumb with me because I would flake on things because I just wanted to be with him all the time like I didn't even care to have my own money I had no drive it was a really good lesson for me I learned I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship at that young age because it taught me everything that I needed to know.

Speaker 2 Do you know what I mean? Like to have your own money, to have your own independence. I just was obsessed and I was flaking on jobs.

Speaker 2 He used to do this thing where he'd break up with me like on the Friday and be like,

Speaker 2 I'm going, whatever. Like, you know, I'd be all anxious and like I'd be a mess.
And then on Monday, he'd come back and be like, oh no, like, let's work it out.

Speaker 2 He'd just pick me up and drop me all the time. So when like Monster actually gave me like a lifeline that at that time that I needed, it's weird.

Speaker 2 Everything in my life, I feel like with Love Island, Monster, it's like the universe has like thrown me this like life vest.

Speaker 2 Like at that time, it's like, because doing Monster at first, when I, when I realized how much travel it was, I was a bit bit like

Speaker 2 i don't want to like travel and be away from him because i was like obsessed for some reason and it's like

Speaker 2 doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people opened my eyes to like oh my god there's just like massive world out there and you've made your world so freaking small like for what reason so it kind of opened my eyes to how dire the situation I was in was

Speaker 2 and then that broke down like for a good reason but then following that my dating was like pretty erratic like I just used to like you know go from one guy to the next I jump in really feet first.

Speaker 2 Like I am all about that. I want them to be obsessed with me.
I want to be obsessed with them. I want to get tattoos on the second date.
I want them to move in.

Speaker 2 Like I, my, you know, they could come to the second date with my name tattooed on their head and I'd be like, I'm what? Yeah, I'm literally like, oh, do you want to go upstairs?

Speaker 2 My friends are like, that's insane. I'm like, I love him.
Like, yeah, so I love that. that obsessive being in love.
So I was always, you know, going kind of one to the next, chasing that feeling.

Speaker 1 Sometimes you have to go through those relationships.

Speaker 1 I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy and it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 And it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this shit is not healthy, whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you and you all of a sudden are like, okay, I need to like look at this differently.

Speaker 2 At one point, I don't think I had like my own debit cards. It was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 Like I didn't, I literally, like, when I say pulled the rug from under my feet every time he like left me, I was like you know I was underweight and I was crying and I was just I was just like I was just it was so unhealthy and I just it just learning that at that age like you know my late teens early 20s was like I think a really important lesson to learn it just I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never gonna let myself be in that situation again yeah if Brad were walked out tomorrow it would hurt like I wouldn't get over it in a day but I could still get in my car that I own drive somewhere get my own house like I do you know what I mean I'm good yeah like i'd be heartbroken but i'm good i'm not gonna be on my knees like i was with that situation i've been in one of those two and i think it's like wait if he left tomorrow

Speaker 2 what happens like am i okay like again heartbroken is different than like wait i literally have nowhere to live no money no friends my family is gone because i distanced myself like checking those moments i did i was like distanced from everyone like friends family like completely isolated like so yeah monster was like you know it was it threw me a lifeline um and we had, I had the best, I travelled the world.

Speaker 2 This is my thing that I say is like, you know, people get on about grid girls or like, you know, ring girls and this anti-feminism. Like, who, we've had men telling us what to do.

Speaker 2 Now we've got other women telling us what to do. If you feel empowered doing something and you're safe and you're in an environment like Monster is a safe, you know, is a very safe gig for me.

Speaker 2 Who's anyone else to tell me what that empowered me changed my life? It threw me a lifeline, you know?

Speaker 1 That is amazing.

Speaker 2 But at the same time, you know, I couldn't, I did it for four or five years. And, you know, it's like I got to the end of my thing with it.
You know, when you're working for a brand like that,

Speaker 2 there's not much individuality. Like, you know, you have to have your hair a certain way, your nails a certain way, do this, that, the other.

Speaker 2 And towards the end, I, because I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit.

Speaker 2 I started pushing the boundaries, like burning some bridges, you know, just like acting, like acting up because I started to be like, no, I'm going to come with red nails, like just for the fucking hell of it.

Speaker 1 Right. That's actually really cool, though, for you to like hear about the whole concept of how Monster helped you.
Because I agree.

Speaker 1 I feel like so many people are so quick, especially with whatever women are doing. If anything has to do with your looks, they're like, it's degrading.
You're not empowering yourself.

Speaker 1 And it's like, hold on, like, why don't you ask me how I feel first?

Speaker 2 Thank you.

Speaker 2 And I feel like what the thing is, it's without this, how do I say this, without it coming off really bad?

Speaker 2 Obviously, I, you know, think of myself as somewhat intelligent, but some girls, they are just, they just do want to do their fucking hair and look pretty. And that's might be their thing in life.

Speaker 1 And why can you tell them that that's not good enough or that's not empowering like what you know i'm not telling the girls at nasa well you can't work there because i'm not clever enough to work there like let people do their thing like thank you for sharing that you're so welcome love island okay so we're gonna we're gonna go through a little bit of that for people that don't know also i just want you to know i only watch love island uk i think it's entertaining i haven't watched the australia one have you i i dipped in a little bit but not like is it as good i don't think anything is as good as uk it's not it's just not okay so for anyone who has never seen love island do how do you describe like the concept of the show oh

Speaker 2 it's like good-looking girls and guys on an island dating it's a game show there's money at the end but the essentially it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you and it's it's a test it's you know who can find a real connection a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money although it's weird with love island like when you're in there no one really talk gives a shit about the money.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's kind of like, you wouldn't, you don't even need the money at the end. It's just like a thing, but it's, it kind of, yeah, no one focuses on that in a weird way.

Speaker 1 I love that though, because I was thinking about it. I feel like Love Island is

Speaker 1 so much more accepted and loved than considered like the bachelor. It's like, it's not realistic that after six weeks, you're going to get married.

Speaker 1 Like, I love how Love Island is like, are we going to hit it off and are we going to leave here together as a couple? Like, that's that's so much more realistic.

Speaker 1 And obviously, being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than alcohol is like two glasses.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 No, but it is kind of, wait, they would, would they limit you?

Speaker 2 Are you joking? Wait. Are you joking? Wait,

Speaker 2 wait, why don't I know this? Two glasses of on my series, okay? I can't speak on my series. We were all like balls to the wall crazy.

Speaker 2 So we might have been limited more than others, but we had two glasses of wine a night or beer.

Speaker 1 That's shocking because I didn't realize none of you were hammered.

Speaker 2 So all that stuff I'm doing, I'm basically sober. I'm just

Speaker 1 supposed to be hammered when the fight scene happens.

Speaker 2 No, I didn't even have my drink yet. And then I went outside and the produce said, You're not getting anything tonight.
I was like, oh, you're joking. I was like, honestly, I swear.
I was like,

Speaker 2 can you imagine everyone licking up? It would be like fight club.

Speaker 1 No, it actually would have been probably like not even arable because it would have gotten so wild.

Speaker 2 So the reason is, they said, because I questioned them every day.

Speaker 2 It's the point where they're like, if you ask about it again, you're going to get a written warning, is what I was told in the beach heart.

Speaker 2 Because I argued it every day is that the show is because it's about dating, about love. They don't want people doing stuff, you know, driven by alcohol.

Speaker 2 And the next day, waking up being like, oh, I don't actually like him. I only snogged him because I was drunk.
Because it's not that kind of show. It wouldn't make sense.

Speaker 2 They want people kissing and being in bed together because it's they want to, not because they're drunk. Right.

Speaker 1 Which is so different, I feel like, in real life, though, because let's be real.

Speaker 2 I mean, I've gone from living on my own since I was like 21 to, you know, doing what I want to being told, like, you know, you can't, you get two glasses of, it was a real hard for my head, like, to deal with.

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like I would feel that way too. Okay, so that's a really good insider info.
I did not know.

Speaker 1 So, when you got there, in your mind and your experience, like, what was the atmosphere and energy on that set?

Speaker 2 Series three was the one that like blew up, right? So, we had series one and two in the UK that were popular. So, I was meant to go on series two.
This is like the tea.

Speaker 1 Give us how you were cast. Okay.

Speaker 2 like tell me the tea. So it's really like an eye-rolling kind of like nauseating ways.
But I was approaching Instagram. They DM'd me.
So series two, they DM'd me.

Speaker 2 I'd only watched little bits of series one. It was popular, but really like no one was really talking about it.
I was doing the monster thing. I'd started a thing off with this guy.

Speaker 2 He was like a rider, whatever, like motocross thing.

Speaker 2 I was all about him. We'd done the tattoos and stuff after the second day.
It was sweet. And then you actually did that.
Yeah, I've got it still now. It's like a bit faded.
But yeah, we did that.

Speaker 2 Is Brad like, can we get rid of that? He's the most like fat guy ever. He's practically horizontal.
Like, he's got like the BDE. Like, you know, is that what Kim says?

Speaker 2 Like, he's got that big, big energy. He couldn't give his shit.
Like, he's, yeah. What is the tattoo of? It's just his initial.
Yeah, I did it like this two weeks into the middle.

Speaker 2 Would you care if Brad had that? I don't think so. No.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I would have cut it out of him.

Speaker 1 You're like, no, I wouldn't care. I would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping.

Speaker 2 He wakes up. What are you doing? Nothing.

Speaker 1 Also, for everyone listening, Brad is Olivia's fiancé. Yeah, that's my

Speaker 2 long-suffering fiancé.

Speaker 1 You meet this guy, you get touched in a second date.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're all into it. They approached me.
They were like, you know, so I went and I didn't, we were just dating. So I was like,

Speaker 2 you know, I'll see it through. Went to meet like interviews, whatever.
Then they offered me on. I was all like, I was basically carrying it on as if I was going to do it.

Speaker 2 And then it got to like, literally, I'm leaving in like two weeks. And I was like, oh, I don't know.
Like, I've got a really good thing going. I like this guy a lot.

Speaker 2 This show, is it a bit like, you know, I've seen all the kind of the program images with the colourful backgrounds and it was no one had really thought it was cool yet So I was like I'm doing something that I think is quite cool and I'm with this guy So anyway, I just I just ghosted I just blocked everyone from basically ITV.

Speaker 1 I was just and were they like hello?

Speaker 2 Yeah, they were like calling and I just panicked blocked everyone I was like it's gonna carry on my life and then basically I was with him for a good like nine months or something.

Speaker 2 Anyway, he cheats on me sleeps with this girl. I go like

Speaker 2 I had like a you know just like a sick sense. I can't remember now the exact you just knew in your gut.
I just knew and I just, honestly, I've mellowed so much. I just went like,

Speaker 2 I was, yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 Wait, what did you do? You have to tell some call her daddy, Olivia.

Speaker 2 I was just like writing on my Instagram, like wild stuff, like ugly pictures of him. Like, look at this piece of shit that cheated on me.

Speaker 2 I was just like, stuff that it's a shame because I could never do that now because people would be like, oh, like, you can't, you know, I just really enjoyed being like a nobody, you know, like just say what I wanted.

Speaker 2 Like, I was calling up his work non-stop.

Speaker 2 I was just insane I was just literally my mum we were shopping in London when I found out my mum's like wrestling me like in self just trying to get the phone out of my hand because I'm doing so much damage

Speaker 2 she's like you need to stop you need to stop I'm like I can't

Speaker 2 and she's like it's all for the better I'm like no it's not I'm like comedy who's done this to me no I get that feeling though you're like he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt that I felt and so I get that I get that yeah I just I just went I re-indulged myself I treated myself to a proper meltdown like I really did I was like smashed at 4 p.m.

Speaker 2 rolling around London just like ringing up his work just fucking crazy rang his mum um

Speaker 2 just everything I'm like your son's a piece of shit and she's like oh um yeah

Speaker 2 and then I saw this advert I swear again it's like a whole universe moment I saw this advert like casting for Love Eye and it was on like a bus stop or something to like seasons and three and I thought I should have done that last year.

Speaker 2 So I go on my phone, I find these people from Love Eye and I unblock a couple of them. I just ring them up, don't I? I just rang them up.
Shout out to Lewis, he took the call. I was like, hi.

Speaker 2 I was like, do you remember me? And he was like, yes, you're the girl that disappeared.

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, I was like, I would love to have a chance to come on the show. Like, can't you keep a straight face saying it? And he was like, I don't know what the execs are going to say.

Speaker 2 They're probably going to tell you to like take a run and jump. He's like, but I will speak to them.
It's quite late in the day for like to see. You know, they think they'd already cast most people.

Speaker 2 I just hung up. I was then got all my feelings, like, what am I doing? I don't want to do the monster anymore.
Like, this guy is a loser.

Speaker 2 And he called me back like the next day, and he's like, you can come on if you leave in two weeks.

Speaker 2 So, literally, that was it. I went like on a mad, like, Zara haul, like, other brands are available, and just got all the bikinis, dresses, and like two weeks later, I was gone.

Speaker 1 So, once you got there and you were hanging, what was, do you think, the biggest key to success on Love Island?

Speaker 2 So, my thing going into it, and I, you know, I'm really open about this.

Speaker 2 When I had nervous feelings like going in, I thought the worst thing you can do on these kind of shows, I think, is go in, be booted out in week one and no one even remembers you were there.

Speaker 2 Like, what was the point? Like, I've left Monster. They're not going to have me back.
I've burnt all those bridges. I've left my modelling agency.

Speaker 2 I've, you know, screwed off the guy that I was seeing. Like, I felt like, am I going to do this? I have to do this properly.
And I'm going to make sure. everyone knows that I'm in the building.

Speaker 2 Like that was my main thing. And I really, you know, I just thought I'm gonna.
I thought to myself, when I get in there, I'm gonna forget those cameras. I'm just gonna do it how I would live life.

Speaker 2 But it's crazy. Like, I know everyone says it, but like, after like 24 hours, you really forget.
Like, you really forget you're like being watched. Oh my god.
Like,

Speaker 2 you know, there were certain members in that villa who maybe were slightly more canny and were,

Speaker 2 you know, more self-aware. I've always been unself-aware.
I'd like to say, like, if you put me in now, I know that they get how many billions of viewers a night that I would behave a different way.

Speaker 2 I probably wouldn't wouldn't because I can't. I cannot be anything but a hot mess.

Speaker 1 I always talk about on my show, like, guys, self-awareness is so key. And Olivia's walking in and be like, I am so unself-aware.
Can you give us examples of what you mean by that?

Speaker 1 Because you don't seem, I get what you're saying of like the hot mess. You look great put together right now.
You're speaking eloquently, but what do you mean by you're unself-aware?

Speaker 2 Just, I, I, you know, I hate this expression, but you know, like, wear your heart on your sleeve.

Speaker 2 I'm very, like, if I feel something or I don't like something i don't like someone i can't help but kind of

Speaker 2 either my face says it or my mouth says it one of them is gonna say it like i can't you know i can't be a wallflower despite trying at times right it's like verbal diarrhea i feel like i'm literally like chewing my lips and it's

Speaker 2 i just can't did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger oh like oh my god my mum used to say to me like what is this oh i'm adhd which i know now which explains a lot but at school i used to do the weirdest shit and then get in so much trouble.

Speaker 2 And then I'd cry on the way home. My mum'd be like, well, why did you do that? And I'd be like, I don't know.
I literally don't know.

Speaker 1 Okay, well, it made for really great reality TV. Okay, so wrapping up Love Island, when you look back, what did you learn about yourself during or after filming that entire experience?

Speaker 2 If I watch her now, like, you know, I watch myself on Love Island, I was quite a angry, you know, I was, you know, my back was up. Like, I was looking for an argument all the time.

Speaker 2 I think I've mellowed.

Speaker 2 And I think it's not, there's nothing i would have done differently because that's who i was at that time and hindsight and age i'm a lot more relaxed now i wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things but that's who i was then and also it's like everything that has happened in my life is as a result.

Speaker 2 If I'd gone in there, like, you know, medicated in the corner, like not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here talking now.

Speaker 1 I think that's such a good answer because I relate to that where like I started my show and I was 10 times crazier saying shit that probably like maybe wasn't at the time.

Speaker 1 Now I look back, I'm like, I would never fucking say that now. Like, I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now, but I think it's like that's growth, right?

Speaker 1 And people are like, no, like you can't change. I'm not saying I changed, I just grown and I have a different outlook on like the way I was when I was younger.

Speaker 1 And there's different reasons why you did what you did on that show.

Speaker 1 And if you went in there, you still be loud and rowdy, but you wouldn't maybe come off like in certain ways like you did in the past because you don't have that like baggage of those men fucking you over like you did when you were going in.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

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Speaker 1 Congratulations of the new docuseries, getting filthy rich.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 First of all, I just have to ask you, like, how does that even feel?

Speaker 2 I'm already having massive imposter syndrome, even being here with you, but that's just tipped me over the edge. I now feel like I'm sitting in someone else's board.

Speaker 1 No, no, own it because you're a boss. Like, it's incredible.
So I want to just explain. I got an advanced copy of the first episode.

Speaker 1 And so to anyone listening, this show follows Olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet.

Speaker 1 In the episode I saw, Olivia dives into the world of OnlyFans.

Speaker 1 She creates a profile and interviews a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans. Okay.

Speaker 2 I have to check myself back on the screen.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Had you ever considered doing only fans prior to creating the series um not in a serious way i think i'd thought about it because i had heard this thing people kept saying to me oh you should make you know the photos that you pose you should you could make loads of money on only fans kept hearing that again and again and again so i was intrigued thinking is it as easy as that right so that was more i think you know i think take me back pre-love island like you know grid girl olivia she probably would have done only fans do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 But me right now, where I was, I was more just intrigued. Is it as simple as it sounds? It sounds way too good to be true.

Speaker 1 Totally. Is OnlyFans what started it for you, or like, what, how did the show come about for you?

Speaker 2 I think we were, you know, I was really looking to get into like docuseries world.

Speaker 2 Um, obviously, being from reality TV, like you can be obviously put in a box, and I'm happy with that box.

Speaker 2 I actually love reality TV and I've got no like desire to be like, it's the worst thing and get me out of that box.

Speaker 2 But I was interested I feel like you know on a good day when I'm sober I've got a quite decent brain I can articulate myself like to a certain degree so I thought I definitely have more springs to table so yeah we were talking with different networks different ideas and when this one came up I thought that's a really good fit and I'm genuinely fascinated so it's going to be like you know exploring that area is going to be a genuine interest absolutely and I feel like in I know I only saw the first episode but like it translates like I was talking about it with my team and we like,

Speaker 1 This is exactly what you were meant to do.

Speaker 1 In terms of like, I don't know many people that could have handled it as gracefully and respectfully, but also made it so fun as you because it is like a sensitive topic, and definitely another woman needs to be in that room, but also someone that's like willing to see both sides and be a part of the experience.

Speaker 1 I thought it was really cool. So, you get on OnlyFans in episode one.
What was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans?

Speaker 2 The 24-hour aspect of it, like I didn't, I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me, you know, from people I spoke to was you make the profile, you stick the pictures on, and then money just comes in.

Speaker 2 That's not how you make money. The money's made in the DMs, like the constant communication.
It's like the girls that are making the big money, they are on the site 24 hours a day.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, talking to these people, respond. And when you don't respond, because they've paid to be on your page, they just hound you, like question mark, question mark.

Speaker 2 Like, you're like, where are you? Like, you know, I was like quite taken back by that at first.

Speaker 1 I was also because, again, I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like everyone listening, if you don't have OnlyFans, we all kind of have this idea in our head, right?

Speaker 1 Of like, you're right, the girl has the profile, she posts some photos, she gets money.

Speaker 1 And in this episode, it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working.

Speaker 1 Like when you were like, wait, so what would happen if a guy is going to pay you like $1,000 to sext him and you're out? And she was like, I would go to the bathroom. And I was like, oh shit.

Speaker 1 Like it never stopped. And I could see you were kind of like, wait, this is.

Speaker 1 giving me anxiety having this many messages on my phone and these people kind of thinking they have like a claim over me of like hi like you owe me something yeah um did you feel empowered while on only fans

Speaker 2 i don't think i did because

Speaker 2 I had the account obviously for documentary purposes. So it was my own, but I also couldn't take like ownership over it because, you know, because I was trying to find that line of like,

Speaker 2 you know, I'm using it and I'm seeing how it works to do, you know, justice to this show, but also it's not mine in the sense where I'm going to engage in, like, you know, I'm not going to send nudes out because they'd be out there forever.

Speaker 2 So it was hard for me to land in a place where it felt like I was

Speaker 2 in control, I guess, because, you know, these people subscribe, they want nudity. They want like, they don't want bikini pictures.
Like that's, that's the biggest myth.

Speaker 2 I think, you know, I think if you're already famous, whatever, you could monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time,

Speaker 2 a limited amount of time, and then you're going to have to do more or it's just going to die out or you're going to be earning not enough to like live off.

Speaker 1 I think that's also insightful because I feel like I've heard a lot of people like, oh, I'm just going to post some of like my bikini photos on there.

Speaker 1 And no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds and then people get annoyed. It's like, we'll take your top off, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 And there's a lot of, it feels like pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for.

Speaker 2 A hundred percent. I think and you know, the temptation is like, it's crazy.
Like, you know, the DMs start coming through, like, you know, 500 quid for it, a picture of your nipples.

Speaker 2 And it's like, if you were in a situation where you need 500 quid, like,

Speaker 2 how easy would it be just to, and I think there's a disconnect, isn't there, between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone, where like you could just do it and send it and there's the money but then it's like it's gone and you can never bring it back and I think for and I you know I it sounds like I said that with judgment because I have you know you can see what you're I have no judgment but I think the danger is that I think for some girls it's absolutely great and they kill it and that you know every every downside of it like the preconceived notions that like you know they're a whore or they're promiscuous they it's water for ducks back but for a lot of girls they can't like and they find themselves in these, on this site, and they weren't expecting the pressure and they maybe succumbed to pressure that they weren't going to, you know, they go in there saying, I'm going to do X, Y, Z, and they end up doing more.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, that feeling of regret and shame. And I think that's sad, you know?

Speaker 1 Totally. I felt like in the episode, you did a really good job of meeting with like a multitude of people showing the difference.

Speaker 1 Like, there were some people in this episode that had such a niche like way about going about it.

Speaker 1 Like, whether it was the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness.

Speaker 1 And it's like she kind of had her angle and she felt, I think, it appeared empowered because she was doing something she loves, which is working out and then just monetizing the hell out of it.

Speaker 1 Then there were some other girls that were kind of like, I started and I just kind of started like with just underwear pictures.

Speaker 1 And then, and then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves. And then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing?

Speaker 2 I think it was a mix, to be honest. I think some very much yes, and some not so much.
Like, you know, I always, it was my thing when I went back to talking about the grid girl thing.

Speaker 2 It's like the whole feminist argument. It's like, who is anyone else to say what empowers someone? If someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman, more power to you.
Like,

Speaker 2 get it. Like, 100%.
But I think there there were some that I met with, and definitely over the other films, like, you know, the porn episode and Sugar Babies.

Speaker 2 Again, we, we, you know, I meet both sides. I meet people that I can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So I think it's just, it's not for everyone. And the thing that was going into it in the whole, you know, it's like a cheeky title at How to Get Filthy Rich.

Speaker 2 But the idea was to see, like, is it actually that easy? Because we all do it. I do that thing where I'm like, or I'm doing something.

Speaker 2 I'm like, oh, I'm just going to quit and do OnlyFans and do something easy.

Speaker 1 Like, and then you realize, oh, shit, like, like it's not easy which i think is great especially for women that this show is coming out because i do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because i so agree with you people are like oh fuck this i'm gonna quit my day job and go do only fans and it's like i don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much not only goes into it actually physically but also mentally seeing these women there's just like a lot behind it that I mean a great job of capturing.

Speaker 2 For me, it's like every job right you do in the world has like this added tax, right?

Speaker 2 So if you're, you know, what I do, I'm showing every part of my life has a tax, you know, Instagram, it has an emotional tax. It makes me feel sometimes I feel judged, I feel stressed.

Speaker 2 Or if you work in the city and you're there like, you know, six days a week, 10 o'clock at night, you don't see your kids, that's a tax. So does this.

Speaker 2 Like this is not, does not come without the downside, you know, like the judgment.

Speaker 2 And I think, you know, these sites and you know, you'll see in Cam Girls episode as well, it's like the, it is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit.

Speaker 2 Like, and these girls have to

Speaker 2 read this stuff, hear this stuff with no one to really help them like break down the terrible things they've either said to them or they asked them to do. Right.

Speaker 2 And some of the things that I heard were just absolutely like shocking. Like, you know, the fact that they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day.

Speaker 2 And how does that then affect their relationship with, you know, other straight men in their lives?

Speaker 2 Because what I think is so interesting about this whole online sexual economy debate, we're all so focused on the girls, like the girls who are doing OnlyFans. Like, oh my God, they're the worst.

Speaker 2 But it's our dads, brothers, colleagues who are buying the shit. No one's worried about them.
They're the ones asking for them to do X, Y, to stick this up your ass.

Speaker 2 They're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the sewers. They are the men in our lives.

Speaker 1 I love how you're saying that. As much as it may pain people, you're right.
It's like

Speaker 1 it's your dad. It's your brother because the man doing it is someone's son, is someone's dad, is someone's husband.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 We don't have a problem with them. We have a problem with the girls providing the content.
But we're talking about millions of pounds a year. This isn't like a niche.

Speaker 2 This is like the majority of men, not all. The majority.

Speaker 1 It's really interesting.

Speaker 1 Talking about cam girls, I was interested because I obviously haven't seen the episode, but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on OnlyFans?

Speaker 2 So for me, when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be, I was like, cam girls, I think, I don't know if you have it in the States, like Babe Station, you know, the TV, you know, the channel where they've got the phone.

Speaker 2 And I was like, is that even a thing anymore? It felt very 90s.

Speaker 2 It's the kind of thing that I would flick onto when I was younger and like the home telly and be like, oh my God, like, so, but it turns out it's still like big money industry.

Speaker 2 And this is like, you know, we went, I spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones, but it's also on like webcams.

Speaker 2 So they kind of like, they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girl's there and then they can call the phone the girl will take the phone so it's like they can either do it from their home or in the studio but it's contained to like the site do you know what i mean yeah did you find that most of those women have only fans or no a lot yeah not all but

Speaker 2 most

Speaker 2 because it's just a no-brainer but a lot of the girls who work in the site they maybe have only fans and they just like kind of dip their toe in it because they do the camming because they're they like the fact that they log on for like a camming shift for like five six hours and then they they go and they leave and it's done whereas like only fans never leaves you alone it's constantly you know it's on your phone you never get a break so they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl it's only

Speaker 1 work and then literally like clock off go home and they've got kids and normal lives and husbands and they just leave that and then the next day they go back and they go back to work that makes sense because the only fans episode really like again you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an everyday every minute of your life thing where now I'm ex now I understand because I'm like why would a girl do cam girling if it's only fans you can do it from home there is a boundary yeah do you know like which cam girls obviously we haven't seen the episode yet but like the idea of it like who would make the most money like what kind of version of camming

Speaker 2 In what sense?

Speaker 1 Are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in cam girls?

Speaker 2 I mean like it's insane one thing across all episodes you'll see is like this and I really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and pick this apart because there has to be a reason. Yep.

Speaker 2 This feet thing, right? Across every single episode, there's this undercurrent about feet.

Speaker 2 So the girls in the cameras are the ones who are like great at the feet chat, who can like dangle the siletto on their big toe, like do all the, they kill it.

Speaker 2 Because literally six out of ten calls will be about feet.

Speaker 1 What the fuck is up with men and feet?

Speaker 2 I don't know, but we need, I need to get to the bottom.

Speaker 1 I do too. We should honestly call us like, I mean, my therapist right now and be like, hi, what the the fuck is that?

Speaker 1 Like some connection,

Speaker 2 something like Freudian nightmare, because this all the way through.

Speaker 1 You talk about sugar babies.

Speaker 1 What was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies?

Speaker 2 There is always an exchange maybe for sex for money.

Speaker 2 And I met girls, you know, and people might roll their eyes and be like, oh, bullshit. No, these girls are like honest with me.
Like, there is arrangements where it's not sexual. It's just dinner.

Speaker 2 like or it's just company or it's some of them it's not even in person it's just talking and he might you know pin them like 500 quid or whatever right so i thought who the hell is gonna give someone money do you know what i mean for nothing basically oh yeah i've heard of people also like i had a friend that did it and it was just to go to dinner and just to basically be his date and i'm like eventually is it going to progress to sex

Speaker 1 eventually they they do kind of ask i think but like for a while you can kind of stay in that gray zone, which again kind of reminds me of the OnlyFans thing, where like you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like, I'm comfortable with this, and then someone's going to ask, and then you have to know like how to set that boundary for yourself.

Speaker 2 100%. And I think one of the girls I've met, she, you know, she'd had this arrangement with a guy for like three, four years.
You know, she's never had sex with him.

Speaker 2 And she said, it's all about your approach. Like from day one, you set that.
It's the way you approach the situation that you approach that guy and you let him know that.

Speaker 2 And I think that's, you know, where experience, age, everything comes into it. Same with OnlyFans.

Speaker 2 I think, you know, you have to be a very strong person to be like, this is my boundaries, and I'm not going to move.

Speaker 2 Whereas I think if you approached it and you're not really sure what you're going to, your angle is, and it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you.

Speaker 1 Totally.

Speaker 2 Because you don't even know yourself. But I think.

Speaker 1 What did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby?

Speaker 2 I think maybe just living in that limbo land, you know, it's like you don't have a boyfriend,

Speaker 2 but you're not single, and and they and essentially they they are the one handing out the money, so you have to kind of, you know, I guess, I mean, it depends how much money we're talking, you know, a lot of the girls, it's like it's hard for them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby because some of these guys want them with them all the time.

Speaker 2 And then, you know, I think some of the girls I spoke to, it's like, it's great if you've got a great thing going, but if he just like drops you like that, you can go from living this like unreal lifestyle.

Speaker 2 That's where it's like being smart, like, you know, getting the allowance, banking the the money.

Speaker 2 Whereas, like, I think if you're younger and just like living life and spending, and then he's just like, oh, bye, you could be like, I can't afford my apartment. I can't afford my car.

Speaker 1 Like, it's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with it. But you have to know

Speaker 1 this takes way more work than we give these women credit for.

Speaker 2 Oh, like they are straight up hustlers. Like, if you, the girls that do it right, it's like, it's an art form at the peak.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, like you say, it's like, it's like any relationship when you're young or like, you know, you're not thinking straight, you don't set your boundaries with your standards.

Speaker 2 So that means the standards and the bat. It's just all a mess.
Like, it's like anything. You have to go in and be like, this is.
what it is. This is what I want from you.

Speaker 2 This is what I'm going to give you.

Speaker 1 It's like we literally, we need someone to like, that's done this to like create a crash course, which I kind of think you're in a way, this is like the beginning of it.

Speaker 1 Because by you peeling this layer back, it's giving people kind of that like introduction of what the world will be if you're interested in it. And I think for a while there hasn't been that.

Speaker 1 So women are just blindly going into it because they just have money on the mind, which I so get. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Who doesn't?

Speaker 1 But it's like there's no idea of like how far it's gonna go and what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 Because I think what I love about this show is that it's like an immersive documentary, but it has heart and it has humor, and we're not coming at from an angle.

Speaker 2 Whereas I think other shows that I've looked at these subjects are coming from like a

Speaker 2 slightly judgmental, it feels kind of like seedy.

Speaker 2 I don't think there's anything wrong with you know dating someone for like financial gain or you know life experience or you know whatever it may be for travel.

Speaker 2 Like, what the hell, you know, if you're two consenting adults, you're you're not hurting anyone. What does it matter?

Speaker 2 But I think, like you say, like young girls need to, and I think that's what this show is nice because it's very balanced. We're not glorifying anything.
It's the girls are really honest.

Speaker 2 They're like, I'm making, you know, Bonnie, she's like, I'm making 250 grand a month, my best month, but it's a heavy load to carry. Like, it's not just as easy as that, you know? Totally.

Speaker 1 I know I haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it, but you also experienced the porn hub world.

Speaker 1 What was your approach for that episode?

Speaker 2 Were you nervous? I was excited. Oh, yeah.
I was excited. I was like, I actually go say in the beginning of the episode, I was like, I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to like see some Willies and like just be amongst it.

Speaker 2 And also just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made.

Speaker 2 Yeah, how was that? What was that like?

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 I mean, obviously, I went to an orgy one time. I'm like giggling because it's, you know, when it's right there in the flesh, but it's just, it's all so different to how you imagine it to be.

Speaker 2 Like the, I learned like the cum shot, you know, like on the thumbnails on the website, that's like Gaviscon. Do you have Gaviscon? It's like a heartburn medication.

Speaker 2 They just throw it over the girl's face, not even semen. Stop.

Speaker 2 I swear, at the beginning of the shoot, they'll sit there and they pour like this heartburn medication or something like goopy and they position it all perfectly and they do all the photos.

Speaker 2 Yeah, because I was thinking like, actually. Actually, when you think about it now, it makes sense.
Because like, who has like that much semen? And also, the positioning of it is always like perfect.

Speaker 2 Perfect. Then they wipe it all off.
Then they do, like, then they'll do still shots. Then they'll plan out.
Like, you're going to be there doing doggy. It's just mental.
It's a full production.

Speaker 2 It's a full production.

Speaker 1 Which I think is nice to hear.

Speaker 2 And I'm glad that you're kind of like breaking down that wall again.

Speaker 1 Because I know when I was like, I'm gonna get a facial from this guy's penis, and he's gonna go all over my face.

Speaker 1 And I remember the first time it happened, it went right in my eye, and I fully was like blackout, like, couldn't see, like, was just like fucked for the rest of the week.

Speaker 1 And I'm like, wait, why does it look like this on porn? Because it doesn't actually fucking happen.

Speaker 2 That doesn't happen like that.

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Speaker 2 We had this kind of, that was like a question that went throughout that film. And

Speaker 2 ultimately, it is that there is still a demand for high production value porn people still like it you know only fans i think is like you're impersonating intimacy you know it's that intimate thing the back and forth the messages you know giving someone that like personalized experience whereas porn is much more you know a fantasy it's costumes it might be in a style that someone you know like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever like it's a different it's a completely different thing but aren't women in porn not making as much oh sorry you meant the actors.

Speaker 1 No, no, that was actually how to, yeah.

Speaker 2 So, a lot of them are doing both now.

Speaker 2 But the thing is, with the bigger porn stars, they might have like really big contracts with like a browsers or you know, digital playground or something, and they're like on really good money.

Speaker 2 So, it's and I think you know, some of them have like a no OnlyFans policy. You know, if you have that contract, okay.

Speaker 2 Um, I know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the states than it is in you know the UK in terms of porn and stuff, but yeah, the bigger porn stars, I think they stick to their like, it's like a trade, isn't it?

Speaker 2 Like, you know, they're like, that's a skill. They've, you know, and they have, they make really good money.

Speaker 2 So they, and all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big check, whereas what they'd have to do in OnlyFans to make the same would be way more laborous.

Speaker 1 In your episodes and through your experience, like, did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not?

Speaker 2 I met a girl who was a girl, Alex, who was, she'd done OnlyFans and she was wanting to move into porn and

Speaker 2 she to me was someone who seemed really unsure it filled it filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her actually and she um went and she did like a I think like a hand job video whatever and she hated it and then she realized it wasn't for her and I was like thank God that you did that and not something else like so you could make that decision and I spoke to you the girls who are like regular porn stars like Scarlet I spoke to like a lot of the really professional shoots they will have like a check sheet at the beginning, so they'll be like, they'll go through it, the stars, so it'll be like anal tech or strangling.

Speaker 2 She could be like, no, don't,

Speaker 2 and they X and take everything that's like a yes or a no, and then that's like the print, like, no one strays from that.

Speaker 2 She said, don't touch my arsehole, so he can't, or vice, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 But then she said, she, you know, she'll go to shoots where, like, they don't do the checklist, and it's just a bit of a free-for-all.

Speaker 2 So she, you know, there is, you know, I think there is risk involved.

Speaker 2 I think that's why OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because, you know, it's, it takes away that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people absolutely yeah which episode was your favorite to create and why i'm going to surprise everyone this i think but cam girls i think is my favorite episode purely just it's a really hard one because it's it's like they love them all it's like my babies but cam girls the girls i met were just i they i really I don't know, I just connected with them.

Speaker 2 It was just so much heart and they were so open with me. and it was such a diverse like kind of range of girls who like goes to this studio do this job, which is just so crazy to a lot of us.

Speaker 2 Like, you know, and then they go home and they're mothers or they've got other jobs. And it's just like, there's so much more than what people would pigeonhole them as.
And I just loved it.

Speaker 2 I love being at the studio. I love being in the middle of the day.
What is the studio like?

Speaker 1 Are they in a room by themselves?

Speaker 2 It's like this big studio and it's like

Speaker 2 sectioned down all the way. It's open, right? And each booth is like different colours or different themes.
And the girls are all in there on the phone, and the webcam.

Speaker 2 And so, when you're on an evening, when I was in there, it's just a room of like sex noises, dirty talk, like all competing over each other.

Speaker 2 But they say, like, they can hear each other a bit, but it's not that loud. But to me, it was like, how can you even think straight?

Speaker 2 Because it's like, literally, I'm talking like, you know, like when you go to a photo shoot and they use those polystyrene,

Speaker 2 that's what's separating each thing. And

Speaker 2 it was

Speaker 2 my head when I left that night was like spinning. I was like, just listening to everything.
The phone's ringing. I answer the phones.
This guy, and he's like panting down the phone.

Speaker 2 I was like, this is.

Speaker 2 Can you talk to someone? Yeah, I was like giving him all the chat and then I just couldn't. And I

Speaker 2 give us a little preview. And I was like, hey, baby, are you horny? And then the guy, I don't know why I'm doing the American accent.
That's just what came out.

Speaker 2 I feel like if you're going to do a porn voice, it has to be American.

Speaker 2 Really? Yes.

Speaker 2 I didn't think about that.

Speaker 2 Because I just feel like most porn you watch is.

Speaker 1 Give me your best American. Hey, baby, are you horny? Do you want to pass?

Speaker 2 Was that that not like, hey, hey, daddy? Hey, daddy gang.

Speaker 1 Yeah, we're like getting so nasty. Like, daddy gang.
That's really interesting, too.

Speaker 1 Did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends, or did, was it kind of like, do you want to get out of there?

Speaker 2 I think that's why I like, that's why I kind of got emotionally involved with that place because they were like, it's like a bit of a sorority vibe.

Speaker 2 Like, they was all like, and what was made me feel nice is that in the thing which I think makes doing OnlyFans or camming from home really hard, if they got a call and some guy asked them like to do some terrible thing you know if people call up and ask like disturbing things like will you pretend to be like my sister or my mum and I'm gonna rape you it's just horrendous and they have to like mentally like process the fact that that is the actual human being out there in the world having these thoughts they then have each other to lean on they can be like I just had this call and they all can relate whereas you know other girls who are doing only fans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing only fans if they ring their friend who works like as a dental hygienist I'm like someone just asked me to stick a remote control up my ass like she's gonna be like can't relate like yeah like at work babe

Speaker 1 yeah gotta go to a meeting i can't help you whereas i think it's for them it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing and they can all relate to each other and that's amazing and i think it's it's just cool to hear that because i can imagine at times the only fans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home sure are great but then being alone you're like what the fuck and it's all about the numbers and it can be quite competitive i think and they're obsessing over yeah Totally.

Speaker 1 So you really immerse yourself in each of these episodes. Was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable?

Speaker 2 Do you know what it is? What is hard for me? It's like I'm open. I'm pretty liberal.
Like, I, you know, this, it's hard because there's stuff that I would do if I wasn't like live from Love Island.

Speaker 2 Because

Speaker 2 I was trying to always walk the line of like, I want to do this documentary. I want to be immersive.
I want to get my hands dirty. But I also want people to like not get confused.

Speaker 2 I don't want this to become about me so if I you know I was thinking on OnlyFans I want to post something more sexy to like see how that but then I'm thinking the only thing that will happen is then that photo of me will just get pulled out of there put in British tabloids out of context and then it's not going to become about what it's about so it was me trying to be really immersive without going to a point where people get distracted and they're just worried about what I'm doing oh my god she's got her kit off or oh you know i'm sure this when the show comes out you know there's going to be you know i do this sex call and whatever and people are gonna you know i'm i was an extra in a porno and all this shit and i love that but it's like yeah it was just finally trying to find the right right wait in the porno do you get naked no okay but see i maybe would have like got you know i wouldn't have like went topless or something but yeah i don't really camp for who i am now yeah because it would have then people would have been like oh you know she's just

Speaker 2 Yeah, and again, it's almost like the whole thing, I'm doing this documentary and I'm wanting to like break down these walls of like stigma and the way we pigeonhole women.

Speaker 2 And then I'm the, I'm there. It was like a head fuck because I'm like, well, I can't go in my underwear too many times.

Speaker 2 And people would be like, well, she's not really a presenter because she's constantly naked. So it's like, and I'm feeling the same stigma myself.

Speaker 1 It's like a matrix.

Speaker 1 Yeah, when I was watching episode one and with the only fans, there were, when two of the girls were shooting, on the side, you made a comment and you're like, oh my God, I have this, like, I'm feeling like this maternal instinct towards these girls.

Speaker 1 What, why did you feel that?

Speaker 2 I think I know the scene you're talking about. It just, those two girls were so young.
And they, you know, I don't want to sound patronizing. They probably like would think, oh, fuck off, we're fine.

Speaker 2 Like, mind your own business, grandma. Like, do you know what I mean? When I was their age, I would have been thinking, I'm literally making money.

Speaker 2 But I just think I just look, I saw, especially more in one than the other. I was like, I thought it's reminded me when I was her age, and I was so like ambitious and

Speaker 2 reckless. And she might be way more mature than I am.
And she might do this for the next 10 years and smash it. And I hope that is the case.

Speaker 2 But you know, when someone's a lot younger than you, as a girl, and I just looked at her, I don't know. I just, just, I just felt

Speaker 2 she was talking and reading out some messages she'd have from guys that were like pretty hardcore, like really emotionless. And I just thought, I hope that you're okay.

Speaker 2 I hope, do you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 And that sounds really fucking patronizing, but that's me being really honest of how I felt in that moment. I'm not, you know, I appreciate it.
I mean, no judgment.

Speaker 2 I just, it's like more of like a big sister feeling.

Speaker 1 I wanted to be like, yes, I mean, I felt it while watching it because I was like, oh my God, like, I just want to make sure because there maybe aren't guidelines.

Speaker 1 When that one girl mentioned, like, this guy sent me my address and said, I know where you live. I was like, when it comes to the safety of these women, that's where I get really nervous.

Speaker 1 And I think that's something that's not talked about enough.

Speaker 1 It's like, sure, we can glamorize all of it that the media does, but like this show is helping because you're hearing from their mouth, not other people that gossip of like what their day-to-day is.

Speaker 2 And like you say, it's like taking out the shadows.

Speaker 2 Like if your friend wants to have a sugar daddy, fine, but she needs to feel like she can tell you and where she's going rather than sulking off like into the darkness and not telling and putting themselves in danger.

Speaker 2 Yes, if they feel like safe and it's accepted, they can tell their felt, I'm gonna drop my pin. You can check that, you know, I'm safe because it's like a murky world.
It is.

Speaker 1 Which of the four ways selling essentially your body on the internet seemed like the

Speaker 1 healthiest and safest option.

Speaker 2 Oh god, that's really hard because I feel like it's just down to the individual. Some people, you know, being a sugar baby just wouldn't work.

Speaker 2 Whereas, you know, other people being on, I couldn't spend that much time on my phone. I hate how much time I spend on my phone as it is like doing Instagram and stuff.

Speaker 2 I could not be that logged into a website, you know. So it's, yeah, I think it's person to person.

Speaker 1 Yeah, that's interesting because it's like, if you are a super outgoing person, maybe the sugar baby situation is more for your personality. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Whereas maybe if you're like more introverted or whatever, like maybe OnlyFans, or that could not be the case, like everyone's going to feel differently.

Speaker 2 If you want to be out and you want to travel and you want to be social, like being a sugar baby would be great, or you know, vice versa. I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 What? Okay, so now we're like wrapping up, like having this conversation. I really appreciate this series and what you're doing.

Speaker 2 To

Speaker 2 kind of conclude in this conversation, though, like what advice would you give to women after experiencing and watching all of this that are interested in getting into either camming or only fans or porn or sugar baby situation i think as hard as it is like to block out the outside noise of like what other people think you should be doing because i always think when people say oh is something bad like does it feel bad if it makes you feel good

Speaker 2 Go for it, but think think about it like don't like just sleep on it a little bit and also going into any of those areas of work as hard as it may be to stick to them i think try and go in with like your boundaries this is what i'm gonna do you know i always think you're with only fans that one of the massive issues is like the content leaking if something which unfortunately at the moment the leaking is such a problem whatever you post nine times out of ten will be leaked so if you would just die if that was out and your family and friends saw it then maybe you don't post it.

Speaker 2 Yeah. If you wouldn't, if you can own it, then do it.

Speaker 1 I think it's just like, yeah, having your boundaries and what you can be happy with i i love that because i feel like the even just the first episode i was so interested in listening and really learning from it and there's so many great things that i can't even imagine the rest of the series like every single person listening we have to go watch it when it comes out because i feel like The boundary thing, you're right.

Speaker 1 That is it. It's like watching these girls starting on OnlyFans.
And the girls were like, I started posting this photo.

Speaker 1 But then when you, you're so right when you earlier said, like, when someone offers you so much money to just quickly take a picture of your tits and your phone is in front of you, you never have to like interact and see the man.

Speaker 1 It's like, it's a fake world almost in your mind.

Speaker 1 So, you really have to keep in mind of like, what did I come into this believing in for myself is right and how I'm going to be able to sleep at night feeling good. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I appreciate you saying that. You're right.
Like, nine times out of 10, these photos will be on the internet. And if you are okay with that, thrive, bitch.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 yeah, but just know that line because I don't think enough people talk about that.

Speaker 2 No, you know what I mean. And I think you're right, and I think it's you know, it's it's not about glorifying it or or condemning it, it's just being real.

Speaker 1 Like, yeah, like we're not here to judge,

Speaker 1 we're not saying like everyone go sign up today.

Speaker 1 Like, it's like it's happening in the world, so we need to talk about it, especially because it's mostly women, but it's also like let's just have an honest conversation about it.

Speaker 2 It's like I would say, you know, about reality TV when people, it's so easy for people to condemn it. It's like no one's got a gun to anyone's head, right?

Speaker 2 So if you go into it with your eyes open, so if you are willing to go, you know, onto a TV show and expose yourself to the world or think about it.

Speaker 2 Like, don't, do you sleep on it and think of all the pros and the cons, make a list. I mean, it's easy for me.
So I'm really impulsive. I literally make all my decisions like that.

Speaker 2 But I mean, yeah, it'd be a nice idea to weigh everything up totally.

Speaker 1 And I think, and then I have one last question, but I do think it was really cool because I was thinking about it when I was watching that first episode.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I feel like a also good way for women before getting into it would be reaching out to some creators and being like, Hey, I know you have no idea who I am.

Speaker 1 I'm thinking of starting an OnlyFans. Do you have like five minutes of your time to just chat? Because your show.

Speaker 2 I just forgot one area that really freaks me out. What? It's the referral thing.
So, other content creators, if they can get someone to sign up, they get like a bonus.

Speaker 2 So, that was one area that I was a bit like, oh, like, so I think, yeah, if you can meet someone you trust, but I do think there's a bit of a thing where like girls are recruiting other girls.

Speaker 1 It's like an ulterior motive. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So that's the only thing because they give that girl

Speaker 2 or boy, you know, this boy's like, you know, like a bonus if they get someone to sign up. So I think, yeah, so you just have to be really savvy.

Speaker 1 Okay, so definitely don't reach out to anyone, never mind. Just literally watch.
Liv's new show because that is, you're breaking it down and everyone has a different perspective. Last question.
Okay.

Speaker 1 What was your biggest takeaway from creating this series?

Speaker 2 I think

Speaker 2 I touched on it briefly. It's just the interesting that we live in this world where all the obsession is on the women creating the content, but no one's talking about the people buying it.

Speaker 2 The reason OnlyFans is what it is is because all the men in our society are

Speaker 2 the demand. So, and not there's anything wrong with that, but I just think it's interesting.

Speaker 2 We're never looking at the people asking for, you know, whatever it it is we're always looking at the people providing it and you know and shaming them and looking down on them but we don't worry about the fact that it's probably Bob from next door like he's the one asking for the feet video do you know what I mean I just think

Speaker 2 we've got a long way to go to move that

Speaker 2 the sexism and the stigma. I think, you know, I hope shows like this will break down boundaries and, you know, it kind of humanizes these girls.

Speaker 2 I think it's very easy to dehumanize people that work in the sex industry. And I think the online sexual economy is even more dehumanizing because we just see them as like robots online.

Speaker 2 But these are real people with real lives, with families, with partners, whatever.

Speaker 2 And they should be treated like that.

Speaker 1 I think that this show truly is breaking down a barrier of like showing the behind the scenes and exactly what you just said. We are.

Speaker 1 All of us are essentially dehumanized because of social media and the world we live in.

Speaker 2 100%.

Speaker 1 And this show is like, no, let's humanize these people. Let's go into their bedrooms.
Let's see their lives. Let's see the cars they drive.
Let's watch them through day to day.

Speaker 1 And it's, I think, it's amazing. Daddy Gang, you need to go watch.
It is going to be amazing. I love you.
I'm so honored you're here. This was so fun.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much. Amazing.

Speaker 2 Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 The amount of things that are said on Love Island that, as someone from the United States, I had to google furiously because I'm like, what is she saying? He's a melt. What does a melt mean?

Speaker 1 What is happening? What is going on? I'm Googling like a freak and I just was obsessed. I started speaking in the accent, then it was awful.
Then I had to move on.

Speaker 1 But I need to go through some of these terms and I ask you to explain them for me.

Speaker 2 I hope I'm not down with the kids enough to actually get these. I might be sad.
So, okay, you can start with

Speaker 1 what the fuck does a melt mean?

Speaker 2 A melt, like, so a drip. Do you say that in the States? Like,

Speaker 2 just like normally, if you say about a guy, I'll go, it's got no backbone. They're just a drip, just like a wet rag.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 I feel like we would say, like, like a pushover, like weak.

Speaker 2 Yeah, or maybe it's it can be a guy or a girl, but a lot of pit times, people say it about a boy. You know, they, you know, when they start to like a girl and they go soft, they go, oh, he's a melt.

Speaker 2 Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's that, you know, it's a toxic masculinity thing of being like, if you're nice to a girl, you're a melt.

Speaker 1 If that's what it is, okay that makes sense okay what about he pied me off like ghosted like just okay

Speaker 2 you guys say pied instead of ghosted well we say ghosted but pied is like he ended it he just broke up yeah got it okay mugged off the similar thing like okay mugged up would be more just like

Speaker 2 yeah a guy just kind of tosses you to the side like with not much explanation and if you were saying someone's attractive you guys would say he's fit yeah love that and it has no like relation to their physical like what would you call someone if you're like oh he's fucked a lot of girls shagger shagger okay we would say i guess like

Speaker 1 i tried to do the accent it came out so bad it's like a mix between like australian and like british awful okay so we would probably say like he's a player or like a man whore yeah we say we say fuck boy but not yeah we say but yeah oh she's a shagger like shagger Shagger.

Speaker 2 Okay, what about stunning by whatever? I want that as my rainstorm.

Speaker 1 Okay, cracking on. What does that mean?

Speaker 2 Cracking on would normally mean like you meet a girl, you've exchanged numbers, you're going on a date, you're cracking on.

Speaker 1 You're just like, we would say like vibing. Yeah, got it.

Speaker 2 Okay, what is grafting? You know,

Speaker 2 I can't think of what the American term would be, but like working a girl. Like you're DMing you, asking you out.
He's putting the work. He's got the hard hat on, the boots, the shovel.
Like he is.

Speaker 2 He is in it. Yeah, he's doing everything.

Speaker 1 Like, do you see that as a negative kind of? No.

Speaker 2 Oh, right.

Speaker 1 Like, he's putting in work.

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