Anna Kendrick: Pitch Perfect, Twilight & Relationships

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Speaker 1 What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Speaker 1 Anna Kendrick, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Hi.
I'm so happy we're doing this. Me too.

Speaker 2 We've never met. Wait, is it tacky? Should I get rid of my phone?

Speaker 1 Only you can put on silent. Yeah, no, I think it's not a significant sound.
It's not tacky.

Speaker 2 Whatever. But no, I'll just get it all the way.
Okay, okay, okay. Sorry.

Speaker 1 Just in case you get like an important call. No, who would be calling you?

Speaker 2 No one. No one.

Speaker 1 It's fine. Are you a big texter?

Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. I'm always like, if you need to get a hold of me, like you're, you're going to have to text me.
If you want an email back, you're going to have to wait like two weeks.

Speaker 2 You might as well send me a postcard in the mail. I'm so bad on my email.

Speaker 1 Are you one of those people though that has like a thousand plus emails or are you like deleting?

Speaker 2 I think it was, you know that, okay, so you know that this is not interesting, but you know that period between Christmas and New Year's where you're like, what do what, where are we?

Speaker 2 And like, time has no meaning?

Speaker 2 I was like, I'm gonna clean out my email inbox because I did have one of those, because it was like, well, what else are we doing? Right? And I am one of those people, and I hate that about me.

Speaker 2 It's that I'm one of those people that has like 2000. I have the same thing.

Speaker 1 And if anyone calls me,

Speaker 1 I immediately don't answer.

Speaker 2 Well, I'm like, and I wait. Did someone die? This is bad news.
This is terrible.

Speaker 1 I don't like confrontation.

Speaker 2 No,

Speaker 2 I don't like communication. People, I don't know.
No, that's not true. Mostly.
But um

Speaker 2 yeah, no, yeah, you have to text me.

Speaker 1 Okay, obviously like being an actress now, like obviously director, but like what is your like day off? Like what are you up to when you're not working?

Speaker 2 Um, I'm trying to get mint to grow in my garden. I'm trying to, I'm trying to really like

Speaker 2 be a homemaker. Not a homemaker, that's not what I mean.

Speaker 2 I mean, I'm trying to like do something physical and tangible that I can go like, wow, I and I grew this mint and now I'm putting it in a cocktail because that's as close as I'm ever going to get to cooking.

Speaker 2 And I don't know, there's something about like devoting your entire life to this very weird thing of like pretending to be another person and, you know, like crying on cue in front of a room full of people you met three days ago and whatever, that you're like, I don't make anything physical.

Speaker 2 You know what I mean? Like, so I feel like I'm always trying to find, like, I should really take up knitting or something.

Speaker 2 Like, I just wanna like make something that I can hold and go, like, I made this.

Speaker 1 Okay, to give you a little bit more credit, you are making something

Speaker 2 that I mean, like, I mean, it's not like it's not real, but there is just something like fleeting about it. Or, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Are you having an eccentric crisis right now?

Speaker 2 Are we

Speaker 2 constantly?

Speaker 1 This whole episode is us just trying to figure out, like, what is the meaning of being an actor and life? No, but I get what you're saying. You're like, I want something tangible, aka mint.

Speaker 1 It's a little odd that mint is the one thing in your garden.

Speaker 2 It goes in a lot of cocktails.

Speaker 1 What?

Speaker 1 Are you making good cocktails?

Speaker 2 I'm trying. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah. When I moved, I was like, I want to be able to like have people over and be able to and be able to offer them a refreshment, but like I'm never going to cook.
And that's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 Okay, pretend I come over. What are you making me for a drink?

Speaker 2 Well, do you have like a...

Speaker 1 specific I like tequila and vodka so I'm kind of like I can go either way. I like a Moscow mule.
I like a margarita.

Speaker 2 Moscow meals are super, super easy, so we love that. Okay.

Speaker 2 But there's like a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like.

Speaker 2 I also feel like people tend to come over and say that they drink anything but gin, but gin makes great cocktails. Like drinking gin straight is for crazy people.
I don't know what that's about.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 it makes really great

Speaker 2 cocktails, especially if you want to serve something up. And also if you like want to commit to doing an egg white foam, it gets really easy.

Speaker 2 And people are like absolutely blown away that you've created.

Speaker 1 I'm blown away already. Wait, an egg white foam?

Speaker 2 Yeah, the key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the egg white before you add ice. And then it will really, and then you add all the other ingredients and then add ice.

Speaker 2 And then it will actually like stay foamy. And, you know, you just put a little like sprig of lavender or something on top.
And like, people are like, oh, my God. How did you do this?

Speaker 1 Me, I'm the dumb bitch. That's like, whoa,

Speaker 2 well, then that's what I would make right now.

Speaker 2 So that so that you won't find me impressive. Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's okay.

Speaker 2 That's good to know what is one thing you can't leave the house without um oh god um probably chapstick like i'm one of those people that i have like a i have like a drawer full of chapsticks and yeah same yeah and i like all the different flavors and the oh yeah what's your go-to um i really like the burts be's there's like a pomegranate one are you fucking with me

Speaker 2 no you you're fucking with me no what people are laughing what's happening you talk to someone are you doing a good life on my dad's sold. No, absolutely.
Wait, what is happening?

Speaker 2 Anna. You are not about to do that to me right now.

Speaker 1 You don't understand. That's sick.

Speaker 2 No, you don't get it. I might have it in my fanny pack.

Speaker 1 I'm not joking. You brought a fanny pack.

Speaker 2 You know what?

Speaker 2 I'm doing a lot right now. Don't make fun of my fanny pack.
Hold on. First of all.
That's in. Now I feel like you're fucking with me.
No. That's crazy.
Okay, I have a I feel like you just did.

Speaker 2 I feel like you're like the mentalist. Like you're you're Chris Angel and you're like you mean this pomegranate whichever one you said you're like road lipstick.

Speaker 2 I'm like boom because I also like the sweet violet but I was like well that's not really I guess that's a tinted lip ball. I don't know that's something else.
So I was like pomegranate.

Speaker 1 I like the pomegranate too because it gives you that a little bit of a tint.

Speaker 2 It's the tiniest the tiniest tint. Yeah.
I what's happening? Wait, Anna.

Speaker 1 I'm not kidding you. I thought you were doing a bit where you were like fucking with me.

Speaker 2 Wait, have you like talked? Am I an idiot? Have you

Speaker 1 no everyone that like really really knows me like you know the Arthur meme where he's like got the fifth? Yeah.

Speaker 1 I always have this in my, and anywhere you look, like any interview I'm doing, I have it somewhere in my body and I have an entire bowl in my house and every single sweat. You have a bowl?

Speaker 1 I have a bowl in my house of all the pomegranate next to my bathroom sink. And I just pick one up every day and I open a new one and I use it until I lose it.
And then I go back. I love it.

Speaker 2 This is

Speaker 2 weird. I don't like it.
It's creepy.

Speaker 1 It's really creepy, but I think the reason I love chapstick so much is because I have this feeling. It's like the ick of myself is if I don't have my lips somewhat moisturized.

Speaker 1 I feel like that is goes and is like almost contingent with having bad breath. Like, I feel like when you see someone with chapped lips, you're like, they must have bad breath.

Speaker 2 Ooh, yeah.

Speaker 2 I don't know. No, I think that, yeah, I haven't thought about it, but like, subconsciously, yeah,

Speaker 2 I'm just going to lean away.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're a chapstick girl. Yeah.
Good to know. So you probably have good breath.

Speaker 1 Haven't gotten close enough to you today, but we'll see later.

Speaker 1 What is the most high-maintenance thing about you?

Speaker 2 Probably my hair.

Speaker 2 Because I'm like a secret curly.

Speaker 2 What? I'm like a secret, like, like, like Carrie Russell and Felicity level curly.

Speaker 1 You have gorgeous hair.

Speaker 2 Well, you know, not really what my hair looks like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, and I, I've been, like, I haven't like,

Speaker 2 I've, I wore, I started, I was on like a natural, like, you know, curly hair

Speaker 2 journey. Like, I let my therapist see me with my like real hair

Speaker 2 big steps.

Speaker 2 Um, And like like two of my best friends in my house have like come over and I'm like I should let you know that I have let my hair dry naturally and I'm in a very vulnerable place cuz it I just it was one of those things that I always felt like

Speaker 2 messy because I think like

Speaker 2 when I really started to be like, oh, I need to like start learning how to like blow out my hair and whatever was when like pin straight hair was it. There you go.

Speaker 2 It was when like tiny butts and super straight hair was the the height of female attractiveness

Speaker 2 So I just felt like yeah, I don't know almost like the chaplips things where I was just constantly like doing that, you know, just trying to

Speaker 2 Like make my hair be like flat

Speaker 2 and when it would get like frizzy if I would go to a concert or whatever I would just be like freaking out about it like humiliated but you're like I have to leave I have to leave the concert and I was thinking about like um like all the fucking energy and time that I think we all spend without even thinking about it about like okay well okay if I wash my hair at this time and then how long is it gonna take to do my blowout and then if I shave my legs on this day I'll have stubble for that well, but like and just it's always just running in the same background It's exact, it's exhausting.

Speaker 1 It's so exhausting and it's so dumb because we notice so much more about ourselves like I bet if you had your curly hair here I'd be like oh I love your curly hair wait what did your therapist say to you when did you do like a big reveal of like I'm gonna I'm gonna show you now.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 2 Was it on Zoom or in person? It was on Zoom. Oh.

Speaker 2 And I think it, I think it was was like, I, I was still like, this is so boring, but I, I was still like self-conscious about it.

Speaker 2 So I pulled back like, you know, I did like a half up, half down thing.

Speaker 2 And so she was sort of like, oh, where are you going? Like, that it was, you know, that it was like,

Speaker 2 it just looked different because I usually just like wear it in like a bun and a headband. Right.
Um, so I think she thought that I was like going somewhere.

Speaker 2 So I was like, well, that's, that's encouraging. She wasn't like, what happened?

Speaker 2 But yeah, I'm still like,

Speaker 2 I'm still on a journey.

Speaker 1 Well, you know what? We're going to support you on that journey. Your hair looks amazing today, but I bet it would also look amazing if it was curly.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Anyways, you've been making movies for two decades. What do you think you would be doing if you hadn't pursued acting?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 God help me. I don't know what, I really don't.
I mean,

Speaker 2 I feel like, obviously, I didn't get into show business because I hate attention. So there's that piece.

Speaker 2 Like,

Speaker 2 when people ask me that question, I feel like I'll usually just say, like, oh, I'd have a bakery or something. But like, I don't know.
I would be so screwed. Like, I actually remember when

Speaker 2 I was 17, 18, whenever I, whenever I like moved

Speaker 2 to LA,

Speaker 2 I was really, really jealous of all my friends that were going to college. Number one, because I felt really insecure about not going to college.
I have a whole, you know, complex about it.

Speaker 2 But I was also,

Speaker 2 you know,

Speaker 2 on the phone, like hearing about this exciting new chapter that was sort of laid out for them and, you know, going to classes and joining a sorority and,

Speaker 2 you know, having this like immediate community. And I was in LA.
I was like 17 or 18.

Speaker 2 It's really hard to make friends in LA because of like the way the city is laid out, but especially when you don't have a fake ID. And even if I did, I looked about 12.

Speaker 2 So that wasn't going to work anyway. And I was just like absolutely terrified and really wondering if I was like making a huge mistake.

Speaker 2 And then the weirdest thing was that when everybody entered their sophomore year, I was, I was still like, just, you know, trying to get in the door and all of that. But

Speaker 2 I then noticed that when I would get on the phone with friends of mine who were in college, they were suddenly, all of them, sophomore year, having a total crisis because freshman year was like, this is so exciting and there's this new chapter and like my whole life is ahead of me and I'm making these friends and sophomore year it felt like okay I'm back with the same people and that's great and um I'm picking my classes for this year and that's great.

Speaker 2 Um but what do I want to do with my life? Like there's no longer just the excitement of like oh my god, frat parties and you know the college experience.

Speaker 2 It's like, oh, I have to figure out what I want.

Speaker 2 And so even though the thing that I wanted felt like a total pipe dream and like, what am I doing? This is a disaster. It's so hard to carve out a space for yourself in this industry.

Speaker 2 But on the other side of it, holy shit, I did not think like, what a blessing to just know what I want.

Speaker 2 And I was like watching all my friends go, oh my God, I don't know what to, what I want, what to do.

Speaker 1 And it's so interesting. Like, because I went to college and I remember from a young age, I like knew I wanted to be in Hollywood.

Speaker 1 Like, I knew I wanted to create, I knew I wanted to do something in this industry. But my mom kept just being like, no, you have to do school.
You have to do school and then you can do it later.

Speaker 1 And I resented that so much for a while. But hearing the difference, like, again, everyone wants what they don't have.

Speaker 1 Of like being in college, wishing by sophomore year, I was like, get me the fuck out of here. I know exactly what I want to do.

Speaker 1 But you being like, watching all the kids in college and you being like, that was a big insecurity of mine. Like,

Speaker 1 why was it an insecurity though? Because you were like, I don't have an education technically of totally interesting.

Speaker 2 So I think my family really values like traditional education, you know, for good reasons, bad reasons, whatever.

Speaker 2 And so I was like the first person to not go to college.

Speaker 2 And my dad was a teacher and everything. So it was like very black sheep behavior to not go to college.

Speaker 1 Were they okay with you not going to college?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I mean, I think they knew I was going to do what I wanted to do.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I think there was always that sense of like, well, if things maybe don't work out that first year, it's not too late to just, you know, so I think that was always like

Speaker 2 something that they had in mind. But I don't think they were thrilled, which is understandable.

Speaker 2 But yeah, I then like just worried about like, oh my God, I didn't, I didn't go to college. You know, I don't know.
It's like.

Speaker 1 I get it. I think it's like, in a great way, I do think like the concept of education now is becoming a little bit more lenient where people are like, you don't need to go to college to be XYZ.

Speaker 1 Completely. And it's interesting because you were right on the right path, but because of like societal standards of like, if you're smart, you go to college.

Speaker 1 It probably felt so disorienting when you're watching all these people do like the natural next step.

Speaker 2 Really, you just skipped a big step and then you got ahead on your career but it doesn't mean you can't still feel insecure about it of like in conversation and having to be like oh i didn't go to college like i get that especially if your family was like go school go school and your dad being a teacher totally and i think now that i'm like older it's less of a thing but like early 20s you know that's like part of the conversation is like oh where did you go to college yes i didn't like how oh my god i have to say i didn't and by that at that point like you know like 21 22 i didn't really have much to show for it yet you know like then some things happened and you know, it was less of an issue.

Speaker 2 But you're like, oh, I didn't go to college because I wanted to become an actor. And it's like, how's that going? Well, you know, I think I got a, someone's, I'm hearing my phone ring.
So yeah.

Speaker 1 Right. They're like, what are you in? You're like,

Speaker 1 be back soon. Gotta go.
I get that.

Speaker 1 Talking about your family, though, you were raised in Maine, right? Born and raised in Maine. What were you like as a kid?

Speaker 2 I think I was really

Speaker 2 like hyper-vigilant. Like I was really in everybody's business a little bit.

Speaker 2 But I think that I was even thinking like a couple weeks ago about how I do

Speaker 2 one of my many toxic traits is

Speaker 2 I do kind of walk around with like a little bit of a, all right, who's trying to fuck me over?

Speaker 2 You know? And I was like, I don't know, there's a chance that it's like, oh, oh, you're spelling bedtime. You think I don't know, you think I don't know what's happening here.

Speaker 2 You You know, like just, I don't know, just being real aggressive about like how I wanted things done and like very opinionated.

Speaker 2 But I don't, I can't really tell if that comes from childhood or from like.

Speaker 2 working in an industry where I'm sure you've experienced it's like you agree to certain things and then it's like oh and can we also do this thing that would be really humiliating for you and not like pay you any extra money or check with you in advance and ask you in front of a group of people so if you say no you'll look like a bitch, you know?

Speaker 2 So I'm just always like, all right, who in this room is trying to fuck me over?

Speaker 1 That's so interesting that you're like, did that happen when I was young? Or is it just like something I can't not remember?

Speaker 1 Because you started in the industry at what, like 10, you started really getting into it?

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 I started kind of auditioning for things when I was 10 and I booked my first gig when I was 12.

Speaker 2 So, but I mean, I wasn't auditioning all the time because I lived in Maine. And so either one of my parents had to drive me to New York City for like a 15-minute audition.

Speaker 2 And they were like, well, sweetie, we love you, but Jesus.

Speaker 2 So eventually,

Speaker 2 my brother and I would take a Greyhound bus from Maine to New York. And that's one of the situations where

Speaker 2 we were in that I auditioned for this show that I ended up getting. And we were in New York and they asked me,

Speaker 2 are you cool to like stay for a call back tomorrow? And I was always just told, like, we'll just say, just say yes. You'll figure it out later.
So I was like, absolutely. I will see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 No problem.

Speaker 2 And my brother and I like

Speaker 2 then are just like, okay, we need to find a hotel in New York City.

Speaker 1 Anna, what are you 11?

Speaker 2 I'm 12. He's 13 or 14.
And so we found a hotel and my parents called the hotel and faxed a credit card and told them like, yes, yes, we'll be along shortly. And they're in Maine.

Speaker 2 And so I like washed my underwear in the sink

Speaker 2 and then just like put on this. I mean, luckily, there is like a thing where if you get a callback, you're it's kind of conventional wisdom that you should wear the same thing.

Speaker 2 So that didn't seem like I was the gross kid with one pair of clothes.

Speaker 1 Same underwear.

Speaker 2 But so then the next day, the same thing happened. And again, it was like, no problem.
I will see you again in the morning. And had to do it again.

Speaker 2 And then then they, oh, that's right. They

Speaker 2 did ask me, because I was wearing combat boots and they were like, can you, because the part was for like a little rich girl.

Speaker 2 So they were like, could you like wear something like, you know, we just love to see you in more of a kind of Sunday best outfit. And

Speaker 2 specifically, someone mentioned my shoes.

Speaker 2 So I was wearing this like ratty cardigan and like ripped jeans and these like combat boots, but I was like, ah, the solution will be to go to the nearest payless

Speaker 2 and find like white church strappy sandals. And so like with like the last $20 that we had, I like bought this pair of sandals, like dress sandals, and wore those with my ratty cardigan and jeans.
And

Speaker 2 then like wandered in and I think they were just like, oh, for fuck's sake, yeah, fine, whatever, great.

Speaker 2 And then we were on a Greyhound bus home and we had this phone for emergencies and that rang and it was like hey you're gonna be on broadway i'm like trying to picture 12 year old me walking around in new york city with my brother who's two years older than me i'm like how the hell were you not even scared i think that we just thought it was like such an adventure and i think we also like wanted to be like cool new york city kids so fucking bad right that we were just like yeah this is so normal um i can't remember if we were like low-key freaking out or not, but we, I know that, I mean, even when I went there

Speaker 2 at 17, I did this show at New York City Opera. And I remember like riding the subway to work and seeing like, oh my God, you know, you see those gorgeous girls who are like going to American ballet.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 And being like, and like looking at them and being like, we're really doing it. Oh my God.
I'm in New York and I'm going to work and I'm going to work on the subway.

Speaker 1 And it's like not a big deal at all, which if you're thinking about it like that, it's a huge fucking deal to you i was not i had no chill um but that was but that's sweet yeah okay all of this is happening i know that you were nominated for a tony award when you were just 12 so it came from that yeah yeah yeah okay what did kids in school think

Speaker 2 it's weird

Speaker 2 again like i don't know if you've experienced something like this but there were several moments where it felt like if I mentioned anything to the kids at school, they, don't get me wrong, wrong, understandably

Speaker 2 sort of thought I was like talking about something else.

Speaker 2 Like, like, like in the same way that if someone in my school, in like middle school or high school, had been like, oh yeah, I'm going to Olympic trials, I would be like,

Speaker 2 so is there some kind of like local, like, oh, it's the Olympics? You know what I mean? Like, I would just be like, no, you're not. Right.

Speaker 2 Like, cause that just doesn't make sense because we're from Maine. Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 I remember having like a really little indie film in the Sundance Film Festival when I was 16, 17, and going to Sundance. And

Speaker 2 I remember one of my close friends, one of my like best friends called me and was like, that's so weird. There's something on

Speaker 2 the news about, I think it was, I could be getting this mixed up, but I think it was like the year that Britney Spears and like Fred Durse went to sundance together. There's something.

Speaker 2 Maybe I'm, maybe I'm hallucinating. It was some other story.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 But she called me and she was like, yeah, they're at like the Sundance Film Festival. And isn't that so weird?

Speaker 2 Because you were just saying that you're doing something called Sundance, but it's like happening at the same time.

Speaker 2 And I was like, I'm at Sundance. I'm at the Sundance.
I'm at the Sundance film. That's why I was so fucking excited about it.
Right.

Speaker 1 You're like, I'm here with Britney Spears. Yes.

Speaker 2 And like, she was like a close friend. So I think like there's an an understandable thing that happens where you're just like, yes.
Not you. They just get it.
Not from here.

Speaker 1 They didn't get it. So so and you didn't talk about it over the toply where like people would even have a concept of it no no i mean even i think there was a hope

Speaker 2 a luckily very brief window where uh it was kind of like a teasing situation so it was like i knew better than to be like running my mouth about it too much because people would make fun of you yeah isn't that so weird meanwhile it's like everyone wants to be a movie star i don't know i think just drawing any attention to yourself in middle like particularly this was like in middle school like right after i did the Broadway show.

Speaker 2 It's like you just want to disappear. Like, I think people talk about high school as being cutthroat.

Speaker 1 Middle school

Speaker 2 was so much scarier to me.

Speaker 1 It was so horrible. I completely agree.
High school's actually like, I started to get my shit together. Middle school, I was terrified.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I remember feeling like, just like trying to be like a moving pile of laundry, you know, just wearing like the biggest clothes and just trying so fucking hard not to draw any attention to yourself.

Speaker 1 Yes. So you obviously start to become so successful.
Like,

Speaker 1 was your family like, oh, this is normal?

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I found some

Speaker 2 success.

Speaker 2 And then I think this is pretty typical for

Speaker 2 entertainment stuff that, like, the money really follows like several years later. There's that period where you're like, okay, I'm like low-key, a little famous, but I am so fucking broke.

Speaker 2 It would make you tear up how broke I am.

Speaker 2 So you're kind of trying to fake it till you make it.

Speaker 2 But like I had brought my family to the Oscars and, you know,

Speaker 2 there was a really interesting moment a few years later when I like bought my first place

Speaker 2 and I had them at my place. And it was like, you could feel the energy, particularly for my mom and dad, of like,

Speaker 2 oh, okay, okay, okay. And it wasn't a mansion, but it was just like, oh, you're going to be okay.
Cause they were obviously like very proud.

Speaker 2 And, but there's things with like awards and reviews where that's great, but it's still really abstract.

Speaker 2 And to just see something solid where it was like, okay, our crazy, you know, daughter who didn't go to college.

Speaker 2 like has managed to buy a home you know it was like i could feel not so much like pride but that they were actually like oh oh, you made it. Okay.

Speaker 2 Okay. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Yeah. It all worked out.
Like we don't have to worry about now her like going back to college and trying to figure out something else.

Speaker 2 Completely. She's not going to move in with us and like drain us dry.

Speaker 1 Love. Love.

Speaker 1 You've been in so many great movies. I want to talk to you about a few of them today.
We got to start with Pitch Perfect, obviously.

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Speaker 1 See app for details. We got to start with pitch perfect, obviously.
What was that audition process like?

Speaker 2 Well, you know, I think that the most interesting piece or the piece that has certainly followed me around is

Speaker 2 when I auditioned, they needed you to just like prove that you could sing.

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, I know how to do this thing. There's a cup and there's this song and I could do that.
So it was just because I was like, well, where else am I going to do it?

Speaker 2 Because I was like lame enough and dorky enough to have bothered like learning this thing.

Speaker 2 And so I did it for my audition and they were like, we should put that in the movie. And originally in the script, like Becca, my character's audition song was I'm a Little Teacup, which I

Speaker 2 keep meaning to ask the writer Kay Cannon, like, was that meant to be like funny? How, like, how would that have worked? How, how was I supposed to play that?

Speaker 2 I don't, I don't know what I was supposed to do. Would you have gone to the bottom? Was I supposed to do like a Christina Aguilera version of I'm a little teacup?

Speaker 2 Or was it supposed to be like, like, uh, like, oh, I like resent that I have to do this and, you know, but I sound fine. So how do you think you would have done it? I guess like that.

Speaker 2 I mean, I would have been relying on somebody to tell me like what the vibe was supposed to be. Right.
But luckily, I didn't have to figure that out.

Speaker 2 So they, they were like, well, let's do that for, for Becca's audition. And I was like, great.

Speaker 2 Making use of a useless skill. And then

Speaker 2 people, when they saw the movie, like, would ask about it and stuff. And so then the studio was like, we should release this as a single.
And I was like, what are you fucking stupid?

Speaker 2 Can you release this as a single? That's so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for us.

Speaker 2 So they had me like go into the studio for like 20 minutes, a hit that was made in 20 minutes, and just like sing the rest of the song.

Speaker 2 And I was like in there with a stool and a cup doing the cup in this weird studio. And then they were like, what if we did a music video? And again, I was like, are we, what's going on?

Speaker 2 This is so embarrassing. You guys, I'm so embarrassed for you like i just was like there's no way anybody would care about this like i whatever um

Speaker 2 and so we like make this music video and then it like which is what by the way why am i saying this phrase why is this phrase coming out of my mouth it started climbing the charts like why is this a part of my story and my life like i was just like what's what is fucking happening this is so out of the realm of anything that's supposed to be happening.

Speaker 2 And I always thought,

Speaker 2 like, because I was in the middle of making this like indie film and I'd be getting like texts from people going like, it just like got into the top 10 of like Billboard's top 100.

Speaker 2 And I was like in the basement of some church, like shooting this tiny little indie film.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, I think it was like, I think it was speaking of the times, Miley, Cyrus, and McLemore was like in also in the top 10.

Speaker 2 And so I always just think like, they must have been like, what the fuck is this shit? Literally, what? Like, who is this girl? What is this? How dare you?

Speaker 2 I'm out here like busting my ass on Good Morning America, putting on a live performance. And this like freak show, whatever this fucking is, is in the top 10.
How dare I? What on earth?

Speaker 2 I would hate me. I would hate me.

Speaker 1 Did you ever learn to be like, damn, that shit's good?

Speaker 2 They did send me a platinum record and that was pretty ball.

Speaker 1 That was pretty cool. Bye, bitch.

Speaker 2 That's literally perfect.

Speaker 1 Like, I guess it was kind of like.

Speaker 2 I'm like, guess what I got my platinum record? That's it. That's

Speaker 1 insane. That you're like, this is so fucking embarrassing, you guys.
And meanwhile, it's like the entire world learned this shit. I remember trying to learn it, Anna.
Okay.

Speaker 2 No, you didn't know. Oh, I tried.

Speaker 1 Of course I did. Everyone.

Speaker 2 Oh, I tried.

Speaker 1 I couldn't really do it. You shut your face.
You fucking invented it. It's so crazy that you brought that to the movie.
And they were like, yes.

Speaker 1 Okay. I just realized also while you were talking, which is fun, is I have had on you, Britney Snow, Adam Devine, and I have had on Rebel.
Oh my gosh. I have almost had like the entire cast.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you're like collecting all the Pokemon.

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, I'm kind of having a good time. Um, how would you describe your guys' friendship on that cast?

Speaker 2 Um, honestly, I, I, I use this word in the truest sense of uh, like we are a family, like truly in the sense of like we didn't choose each other.

Speaker 2 Like we didn't ask to be in each other's lives in this way. And we're so bonded.

Speaker 2 And it does feel, there's something really, not to be lame, there's something really magic about it because so often, like, you'll do a big job and there'll be like one or two people maybe that you keep in touch with.

Speaker 2 And they're the people that are like the most similar to you. And we're all really, really different.

Speaker 2 And after like three movies, you're like, I think this is like a not getting rid of each other kind of situation.

Speaker 1 I think the entire world is happy. It's a not getting rid of each other situation.

Speaker 2 And also, I think that I'm very avoidant. So like actually like cracking that shell and like being in my life, like it takes some persistence.
That's a big deal.

Speaker 2 So like Brittany's always joking that her, she's like, well, your phone is all

Speaker 2 white or whatever the, you know, the blue text.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you get it. You get it.

Speaker 2 Cause she's like always texting me and just being like, I know you're not going to reply, but,

Speaker 2 you know, I think that I'm kind of like certainly the curmudgeon of the group, but it is like almost like everybody has a role. Yeah.
And, you know,

Speaker 2 like, you know, Brittany kind of like brings the party and

Speaker 2 I

Speaker 2 bring the grumpiness, I guess. I don't know.

Speaker 2 But I am like, it's really interesting because even the girls that are not like one of the closest girls, like when they're going through something, I get the call and it's, and it's, it, it makes me feel so good.

Speaker 2 Um, because I do feel like that's kind of my role in the group: is like, if if you're in jail, like my shoes are on. We're, I'm gonna, we're getting you out tonight.

Speaker 2 I don't know how, but we're gonna figure it out. I love it.
Whereas, like, if you need help with like party invitations, like I'm gonna freeze up and be like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know what to do. I don't know.
I'm sorry. I have to leave the room right now.
Call Brittany. Yeah, call Brittany.

Speaker 1 Please call Britney. It's so fun to know that you and Britney Snow are so close because it, I don't know, it like sets something right in the world.
Like I like that you guys are friends.

Speaker 1 I think it also is nice because obviously as like consumers, we know that sometimes on movie sets, like people don't get along.

Speaker 1 And there's something oddly satisfying about how amazing those movies are and knowing you guys are so close. Like it's just a fun thing for fans.

Speaker 2 It makes me really happy. I saw some of the girls from the movie, The Original The Craft, having dinner once and I was like, you guys are friends at real life.
Like it makes you happy.

Speaker 2 Oh my it made me so fucking happy so I do I would be like well oh I wouldn't think anyone would like care but I but seeing the the craft girls I was like this is so beautiful

Speaker 2 so now when people are crying when they see you guys out together you get it totally are we getting a fourth one oh I have no idea I'm always like I'm always like Rebel is kind of like the steam train of the group

Speaker 2 like she's always like I think we should do it and I'm like well then great we we should I agree I'm just here for, I'll just be back up, I guess.

Speaker 1 I we need it.

Speaker 2 I would love that because, like, we're all so

Speaker 2 busy, and I'm so happy that everybody's so like busy and successful and like doing so much. That actually getting like whatever, you know, the 10 of us in a room is like impossible.

Speaker 2 So it's usually like maybe six of us at a time, you know, trying to like have a little reunion. So it does feel like the thing that would actually get us all in a room again is like the movie.

Speaker 2 So that's that's my best reason.

Speaker 1 i will watch so let us know um twilight

Speaker 2 can you believe

Speaker 2 can you believe i mean what

Speaker 2 okay so someone was just asking me about like

Speaker 2 a while ago i had you know done a silly funny tweet where i just said like holy shit i just remembered i was in twilight and people were like but you didn't like forget you didn't forget that you were in twilight and the answer is truly truly yes and no because obviously obviously i didn't forget the experience of making the movies.

Speaker 2 I didn't, you know, but those movies, like especially at the time, took on such a life of their own. And like, they were such a kind of like,

Speaker 2 for better or for worse, like a kind of touchstone, like such a reference that, you know, everybody would talk about like trying to find the next Twilight or whatever.

Speaker 2 And I would find myself in like business conversations talking about, oh yeah, I've heard that there's a book series that just got optioned. They maybe want to try and make it the next Twilight.

Speaker 2 And then I would be like, oh my God, I'm in, oh my God, I'm in the movie. Oh my God.
Because I was also so on the,

Speaker 2 just on the outside. Had a front row seat, but was just on the outside of the madness of it.
And I was really like lucky to not be dealing with

Speaker 2 the the eye of the storm, really.

Speaker 2 You know, um, I think that like a lot of the folks that were in the movie, even in the later movies where they are playing like, as long as you were a supernatural character, if you had one line, you like couldn't leave your hotel room.

Speaker 2 People were crazy. And, you know, people were criticizing like, oh, but she has green eyes in the book or whatever.
And I just didn't have to deal with any of that.

Speaker 2 So, so on the, it almost feels like I didn't really have to run the gauntlet that some of the other, I mean, most of the other people did.

Speaker 2 I just had to like show up and say dumb, funny shit and just be like, what are you guys guys talking about? You guys are fucking acting weird. Okay.

Speaker 2 Everybody's really serious. Bye.
Like that was the, that was the gig. It was awesome.

Speaker 1 Jessica. Oh my fucking God, Jessica.
Being like, what's so great about Bella?

Speaker 2 Like, I don't get it. Like, what's going on with Bella? Which is also crazy because when I auditioned for that, I was like, yeah,

Speaker 2 I think in the book, she's like the blonde. athletic volleyball captain popular girl.
So I was like, well, great. I'm not getting this job.

Speaker 2 And the goal then becomes like, well, I hope I just like making an impression on the casting director and the director. So maybe they'll remember me for something else.

Speaker 2 And so I was like, well, I'm just going to try to be like weird and funny because I don't know. And then they were like, oh, great.
Yeah, let's do that. So there I am with like my

Speaker 2 headband because like in that humid weather, they didn't know what to do with my hair full circle. They were like, it just keeps getting bigger.

Speaker 2 So I was always like in a headband or pulled back like really tight.

Speaker 2 And,

Speaker 2 you know, in my like ratty little costume, like, you know, five inches shorter than Kristen going like, I don't even get what the point is.

Speaker 2 Meanwhile, she's so stunning in real, like you're like, oh my God, I'm staring into the eyes of like a Siberian husky. She's so gorgeous.
Like, I mean, she's gorgeous on screen, but like in person.

Speaker 2 Have you met her in person? No. There's a quality.
Let me tell you. Really? Oh.
My God, it's breathtaking. And she's obviously very beautiful.

Speaker 2 And sometimes you meet certain people and you're like, what? How dare you?

Speaker 2 Why are you, why are you doing this to me? Oh, my God. So, you know, the audacity of me to be like, I don't see, I don't see it.
I don't get it.

Speaker 1 Right. You're like, right, right, right.
Were you ever like, I'm being annoying? Like, or you're like, it's fine. It's my role.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I guess it was like, I'm being annoying, which means like, you're doing your job. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing.
You're doing your job.

Speaker 1 I'm obsessed with you being like, are they trying to put my hair down? And I'm like, I don't know what to do. I know.
It all comes from a circle. Okay, next movie.
Alice Darling.

Speaker 1 This is like obviously a bigger shift and is a

Speaker 1 basically is about a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship when you're taking on a more

Speaker 1 intense role like do you hesitate in those moments or do you enjoy those type of moments that are a little bit

Speaker 2 um it was uh oh gosh that's weird i'm about to use a phrase that i've been using uh in reference to directing so but it it kind of makes sense because it's a similar thing where it was like pushing myself off of a cliff and not giving myself the time to go, is this a good choice?

Speaker 2 Because it was like, it was really scary and

Speaker 2 personal. And

Speaker 2 God, I'm just remembering, like, I remember I didn't tell,

Speaker 2 I haven't thought about this in a while. I didn't tell anybody in my life, not my like, well, this was also kind of COVID-1, so I wasn't talking to that many people.

Speaker 2 So again, I'm bringing up my therapist, but I didn't tell my therapist.

Speaker 2 I didn't tell like my closest friends that I was making this movie about emotional abuse because I had just gotten out of a relationship that was extremely similar to the movie.

Speaker 2 And I didn't want anybody to tell me to not do it. Like I didn't want to get talked out of it.

Speaker 2 And I knew that there were good reasons for my friends and certainly my therapist to be like, is this the best idea for you? Like right now?

Speaker 2 So I just kept telling them it's about like three friends in a cabin and like it's about like their relationships, which in a way it is. Right.
But um, yeah, I

Speaker 2 like didn't even when after the movie was wrapped, whatever, like they didn't even know that it was about emotional abuse until like the trailer came out.

Speaker 2 Cause I just didn't, I just didn't want somebody to tell me.

Speaker 2 Well, I don't know. Maybe this is the childhood thing of like, I don't want you to tell me it's bedtime.
Like I need to do this. I'm going to do this.

Speaker 1 Can I ask, like, how long did that abusive relationship that you endured last?

Speaker 2 It was, it didn't follow the traditional pattern, which is kind of yet another reason why I was finding it really difficult to identify it and name it as abusive. Okay.

Speaker 2 Because I was like reading all the articles and going, This doesn't look exactly like some of it looks like how they're describing it, but not completely. And so the relationship was seven years.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 But it was like an overnight switch. And that went on for about a year.

Speaker 2 So it didn't follow that more traditional, like, it's like a frog in boiling water thing where it started slow. It came out of absolutely nowhere, but was built on this foundation of

Speaker 2 I had so much love and trust for that person. So I thought it had to be me.
Like I, if one of us is crazy, it must be me.

Speaker 2 So it was very, very

Speaker 2 difficult

Speaker 2 to to actually go, no, this, I think this is, I think this is him. I think, I think this is his stuff.
Cause I turned my life completely upside down trying to

Speaker 2 fix whatever was wrong with me. And, you know, it didn't help that for a long period of time, our like couples therapist, I think, just bought his stuff, kind of hook, line, and sinker.

Speaker 2 And I've had several sessions with him

Speaker 2 in, you know, the last several years where he's apologized to me because I think he realized what was going on like toward right toward the end. But

Speaker 2 yeah, that obviously made everything a lot more complicated.

Speaker 1 We always have to remember like therapists are human beings too.

Speaker 1 And a lot of times they don't know the inner dynamics. And if you are with a very manipulative person though, that is good.
in crowds, like they can mask it pretty easily.

Speaker 1 And you can be kind of painted to be the person that's like insane or you're unreasonable or you're like unwilling to make the relationship work.

Speaker 1 And when you have a licensed person staring at you next to the person that is abusive, because we project so much authority onto them, even though we kind of know intellectually, well, they're just people.

Speaker 2 Right. It's like, I just want, and it was also, I just want someone to tell me what's happening.

Speaker 2 Like, I wasn't, I wasn't even thinking, like, we're going to go into couples therapy, and he's going to, you know, ream you out.

Speaker 2 And it's going to, I was just like, will someone just explain to me what's going on?

Speaker 2 So, uh, yeah, it it was

Speaker 2 it was full on, but it was also interesting that like I always felt like I was trying to stay so calm in couples therapy because I was like, fuck, in these sessions, he's so able to kind of stay calm in a way that he does not do when we're outside of therapy.

Speaker 2 And then there was a day again toward the end where I really kind of like lost my shit. And I did think like, oh my God, like what have I done? Like, what have I done?

Speaker 2 Like, I can't, it's going to be so bad now like what have what did I do and what do you mean what do you mean it's gonna be so bad like if things when I'm trying so hard to like appease this person yeah they're so fucking awful so how bad is it gonna get now that I've like yelled it you know um and I sent after that session I first of all weirdly he was fine which was very weird very interesting because I think he felt like

Speaker 2 maybe a little bit like calm because he was like see you're fucking crazy. So it was weirdly fine.
But I sent the therapist an email being like, I'm so embarrassed. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 Like, I, I, you know, I need to control myself or whatever, because I had yelled in this session. And

Speaker 2 he called me, which he hadn't done before, and was like, no, no,

Speaker 2 I'm so proud of you. And that's when I knew, like, oh, something has shifted, like, something's changed.

Speaker 2 And then, yeah, things ended pretty quickly after that.

Speaker 1 I mean I appreciate you sharing this just because I have so many women that listen that are like what are the signs and like I appreciate you how you opened um the conversation about this topic about like it literally changed overnight and I was reading all the articles being like is this me well no that's not me you try to justify things like do you mind sharing anything that maybe like my listeners could be like, oh, this, this is happening to me too, that like maybe doesn't present as like, this is abusive and toxic but the undertone is so there

Speaker 2 god it's so hard it's so hard and i

Speaker 2 well i don't know maybe i'll maybe i'll think of something but it's this conversation is even like really complicated for me it's like even talking about it i can feel like my my body temperature going up because I think that sometimes the conversation around like red flags, like those are important conversations that we should be having.

Speaker 2 We should be talking about it, like thinking about it, looking for them, sharing with each other.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think that even the most well-meaning conversation sometimes about like

Speaker 2 red flags is can be a little victim blamey, which is hard because I'm like, well, also I want to know, you know, and share red flags

Speaker 2 because

Speaker 2 it does sort of put the onus on you to be able to identify something that, by the way, someone is working so hard to make sure you can't identify. Like, I really started thinking about it like

Speaker 2 if someone was raised from birth as like a wilderness survivalist and they just dropped you or I mean, I don't know, maybe you, maybe you have this in your background, but uh, if they dropped you or me in the middle of the woods, I would step into a booby trap within three feet.

Speaker 2 Yes. Cause I don't know what to look for.
And it's like, because I didn't spend my life learning how to build or identify traps. Like,

Speaker 2 how is it that we're meant to like be inside the mind of someone who is working very hard to make sure that you feel very unsteady and are questioning yourself? So

Speaker 2 it's really, it's really complicated and it's, it's.

Speaker 2 It's hard for me because

Speaker 2 there are even times when I talk about my situation where as I'm saying it, I will go, am I making that up? Am I making everything up? Like,

Speaker 2 I remember having a conversation with my therapist like a year after that relationship

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 2 I was constantly asking her to just diagnose me with like an egocentric disorder so that I could just fix it and

Speaker 2 make sure that like, oh, this just won't happen again or something.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 there was a point where she

Speaker 2 was, she was talking about my ex and she started to say something where she was like, well, you know, when you're dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing, and I went, no, no, what if I'm the wolf?

Speaker 2 Like, what if it was me? Because I think that was the thing

Speaker 2 that I didn't expect was

Speaker 2 how totally convinced he was of his own victimhood. Like,

Speaker 2 I know him well enough, in spite of feeling like, well, I didn't know him at all, but I know him well enough to know, like he's not an actor he's not a performer he you know not a great liar in some in a lot of ways so

Speaker 2 i was like looking at someone who was actually kind of like suffering and and i thought like well if he's being manipulative i'll know it because you know i'll smell the bullshit like i'll smell that this is kind of a performance that he's putting on but i don't think he was putting on a performance i think he genuinely believed that I was like torturing him.

Speaker 2 He told me one day I was terrorizing him because I was just crying because I couldn't pretend that things were fine anymore.

Speaker 2 And I just started crying and he screamed in my face, you're terrorizing me. But it was truly from the place of a person who believed that they were being terrorized.

Speaker 2 So I, I don't, I don't know if that would resonate with people, but it does. It's like, even when I would watch these fucking videos, I would read the articles and watch the videos.
And when like

Speaker 2 Dr. Romani, who I love, like, you know, she's, she's doing like an impression of a fight where, you know, some abusive piece of shit goes, Alex, you're crazy, but that's not how it actually sounds.

Speaker 2 It's like, it was like.

Speaker 2 Sometimes it was so emotional. It was like, Anna, I'm begging you.
Like, you're ruining everything.

Speaker 2 You're making, like, it was so real for him that it was like, am I really, am I doing something terrible?

Speaker 2 And I think that, you know, especially with conversations about like, well, you're always out with your friends and trying to isolate you, those kind of things.

Speaker 2 Like, I think they're really convinced that you're doing something terrible to them. So, like, the pain place is real.
And that can be very, very misleading and convincing.

Speaker 1 I just want to say the way that you, everything you just said.

Speaker 2 Yeah, did any of that make sense?

Speaker 1 100%.

Speaker 1 It made so much sense. If anything, it's probably one of the best descriptions of it because because I really, really appreciate you saying like,

Speaker 1 I still am uncovering some of the fucking red flags because I'm still even in my head being like, did that even happen? Am I, is it still some of it on me?

Speaker 1 Like, I think that is a great message to just give to everyone listening is like, it is not normal. You should not be like, oh, that's bad behavior.

Speaker 1 And I recognize that you're being manipulative and gaslighting and blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 1 Like, when you're with someone that you love for so long and it does turn into an abusive situation, it is so hard to see.

Speaker 1 And that's why ignorant people that, whether they don't have someone that they know or it never happened to them, are like, why didn't you just leave? It's so. It's so hard.

Speaker 1 It's so much harder than that. Cause even you to this day sitting here being like, I still in my head, I'm like, was that real? Like, it's.

Speaker 2 And even sharing that, I'm like, fuck, should I even say that? Like, there's something like that feels.

Speaker 2 I think incorrectly, but feels like shameful about how am I not more solid in my like healing, recovery, whatever. How am I still?

Speaker 1 But it's not that, Anna.

Speaker 1 It's like you are present in your reality today, but when you reflect back on that relationship and that inner dynamic with that person, you are still perplexed by how the person sitting here today was in a situation and how that went.

Speaker 1 Like that, I think, is normal. Like I think that's what people struggle with.
And that's why I'm appreciative of you talking with me about this.

Speaker 1 Cause like it is so weird when you're like, I am happy and healthy now. So how can I still be affected by that?

Speaker 1 I think it would be weird to not be affected by someone that manipulated you in a way because it distorts your reality.

Speaker 2 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 And so like you sitting here, like, I guess I could ask, like, how have you learned? And I'm sure you're still doing it, like, to trust yourself again.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's hard. I mean, yeah, I mean, even, even having this conversation, you know, like in the,

Speaker 2 I know we haven't like gotten there, but in the movie that I made,

Speaker 2 like something small, like, you know, there are all these different women in the film and they all have like very different personalities. And that felt important to me

Speaker 2 as like yet another kind of small reason why it feels like, hey, there's no, I wish there was, but there is no

Speaker 2 way to guarantee protection from someone who is determined to harm you.

Speaker 2 And that sounds grim and I guess it is, but surely like, the least we can do when someone has harmed us, when we come out of like a devastating situation, is take off that top layer of shame where we go,

Speaker 2 well, I should have known, I should have seen, I should have been different, I should have been the tough girl, I should have been the sweet girl, I should have done, and it's like, none of that will save you.

Speaker 2 None of that will save you.

Speaker 2 And again, like, I almost hate saying that because it's so bleak, but I think I have, I did and still sometimes do so much self-shaming around like, how did I, how did I find myself in that situation?

Speaker 2 Yes. Like, I'm a real asshole.
So, like, how did I, how did I not do the thing that I would have told you that I would do?

Speaker 2 Which was immediately be like, throw a scarf over my shoulder and be like, have a nice life, dick.

Speaker 2 And, and, like, I, it's, there's something like so vulnerable and kind of humiliating about the fact that, like, I just stayed and I kept thinking, I'll, I'll just try to be, I don't know, warmer or better or something.

Speaker 2 I mean, even when

Speaker 2 this was the, like our schedule was getting worked out to, to come and record this, um,

Speaker 2 it was like the next day I went on social media and I saw a video of you talking about an experience you had where you were like, why did I not just leave?

Speaker 2 And I was like, girl, I, you were in a fawn response. Yeah.
And like, that's the whole, like woman of the hour, that's, it's like all fawn response.

Speaker 2 It's all just like, what do I have to do to survive? Like, you were doing what you had to do to survive.

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Speaker 1 Thank you for bringing it up because I do now want to talk about the movie. That's kind of what we've been building to is like these themes of every woman listening.

Speaker 1 Yes, I feel like we're both like pretty strong, independent women that we've got like our careers and people could look at us and it's like, wow, like you guys have got it all figured out.

Speaker 1 And we're both sitting here being like no no no like to this day i've been in weird work situations that i'm like wait like alex cooper the caller daddy person that just like signed her big deal and all this like no there have been still moments in this industry where i am having uncomfortable interactions with people and i'm like

Speaker 1 wait why didn't i just like

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 why weren't you just assertive?

Speaker 1 It's not that easy. And it's, and I, I now want to talk about the movie because you're right.
There are so many themes in it that are so brilliantly portraying what we as women go through every day.

Speaker 1 And then it also, women will be like, yep, I've been there, I've been there.

Speaker 1 And still to this day, like, I don't know if men completely understand what we have to go through and why we fawn instead of scream, kick, and punch in the face.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about the movie. Woman of the Hour.
I, first of all, you were set to, you know, be the lead. Right.
And then you also directed it. How did this come to be?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so I actually got the script for Alice Darling and and Woman of the Hour like the same like month at least. Like I want to say the same week, but it might have been the same month.

Speaker 2 And, you know, certain movies just come together quickly and certain movies take forever. So I was attached as an actor for like two years.
Okay.

Speaker 2 And, you know, you're just sort of like, well, I love this script. I love this story.
You know, let me know. And

Speaker 2 that happens a lot in the industry.

Speaker 2 And the other thing that happens is that sometimes, you know, something will just be kicking around for a long time and then out of nowhere it will be like hey we raised the money and we have a start date so let's try to keep this train on the tracks because otherwise it'll probably like disappear again right and so we were like suddenly starting the search for a director and

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 2 I basically had like 48 hours where it was like this voice going Anna you should pitch yourself and me going shut up absolutely not everyone needs to be quiet we're not doing that um

Speaker 2 And it was that same feeling of like, I'm, oh my God, I'm going to push myself off a cliff. And

Speaker 2 so I pitched myself to direct the movie

Speaker 2 because I felt like I had become slowly kind of obsessed with the script. And there was a little bit of me

Speaker 2 like where I would give like ideas, feedback, whatever. But, you know, it was, there were, you know, producers, cooks in the kitchen, whatever.

Speaker 2 And I was always a little bit like, well, you know, if it were my movie, I would probably do it like that, but it's not my movie. So whatever.
And the idea of

Speaker 2 taking it and just tweaking it that little bit was really exciting to me. So I pitched myself and I got the job.
And then six weeks later, I was in Canada doing like hard prep for the movie.

Speaker 2 And then we, and then we were like making the movie. And it really was like, I'm going to push myself off a cliff.
And I guess I will find out on the way down if I packed this parachute correctly.

Speaker 2 Because, like, if it had been six months later, I would have panicked and backed out. I would have been like, you guys are right.
We should find someone way more experienced.

Speaker 2 It'll be great. But I had also, in the last like five years before that,

Speaker 2 started to have the experience of looking around a film set and going, huh?

Speaker 2 Oh, oh God, I'm the most experienced person here. Oh,

Speaker 2 oh no, I'm the most experienced person here. and I'm an idiot.
This is a nightmare. Like it wasn't like, ooh, hot shit.
It was like, oh no.

Speaker 2 But you are like, oh, wow, I've been, I've been doing this a long time.

Speaker 2 So yeah, it felt like, okay, it's kind of a now or never

Speaker 2 thing.

Speaker 2 And I was absolutely terrified.

Speaker 2 But I was trying to kind of just like fake it. Right.
Like, I was like, I'm a super confident leader. I should be in charge of things.
things um

Speaker 2 and again like i don't know about you but like

Speaker 2 i

Speaker 2 absolutely overthink things and i can get paralyzed in perfectionism all that stuff

Speaker 2 and then when

Speaker 2 like my back was against the wall or like things were really running behind and you don't really have a choice but to be running on like adrenaline and instinct

Speaker 2 There were even

Speaker 2 things in the edit where, you know, you're, you're looking at like the stuff in between takes where I would see myself like run into the frame and like give the actor a note and like adjust a piece of set deck.

Speaker 2 And I was like, well, that lady seems like she knows what she's doing.

Speaker 2 Damn. Okay.

Speaker 2 Like when I'm in a blind panic and you don't really have a choice, I was like, she seems like she's an authority figure. How about that?

Speaker 1 I mean, it's an incredible movie and you should be so proud of yourself. I know you are, but like to know that I didn't realize it was that where you're like, should I pitch myself?

Speaker 1 Should I pitch myself? Thank God you pitched yourself because it's awesome. Like it really is amazing.
Coming from somebody that gets so fucking scared from movies like this.

Speaker 2 I know, I know, I know. And I did tell you, I was like, well, if you made it through the first five minutes, it's all, it's like, it gets easier for me.
It gets easier.

Speaker 1 But before, like, for people who haven't watched it yet, the movie is based on an insane true story. Can you give just like a little bit of a bite for them to understand what's going on?

Speaker 2 Yeah, so it's based on the true story of

Speaker 2 a serial killer in the 1970s who went on the show The Dating Game.

Speaker 2 And it moves around through time.

Speaker 2 So it's kind of following this like more than a decade-long period where he was really operating without consequence because nobody was really looking for him, which is another interesting

Speaker 2 and by interesting, I mean enraging aspect of the story. But

Speaker 2 I play the bachelorette who's on the dating game.

Speaker 2 And that some of that footage exists online, but the full episode, like all the footage, appears to have been kind of like lost to time.

Speaker 2 So, uh, the screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as this opportunity to

Speaker 2 it's it's almost like a fantasy section of the movie, except the fantasy is what if a woman stood up for herself? Can you imagine?

Speaker 2 Um, but I, but it's like it's interesting because speaking of like asserting yourself,

Speaker 2 it's a really fun section of the movie.

Speaker 2 It's a really tense movie, but like that section is kind of fun. But as the viewer, it's complicated because you know that.

Speaker 2 Okay, she's been shrinking herself and in a fawn response and she's like standing up for herself, which is so fun to watch. But we know she's getting herself closer and closer to danger.

Speaker 2 And it's complicated. Like there are times where you go, why don't I just assert myself? And it's like, sometimes it's not that simple.

Speaker 1 Women will understand those moments where you stroke the ego or you actually are like so fucking nice in situations that you're so uncomfortable in because in your head, you're like, the only way I'm getting out of this situation is to be so appeasing and so nice and work it.

Speaker 1 And then all of a sudden, I know I'll be able to get out at some point.

Speaker 1 But to a normal person that's never been in that situation or isn't a woman, it's like, wait, why don't they just like scream and run? That's right.

Speaker 1 And you're like, first of all, if I tried to scream and run, I'm dead, bitch. So fuck you.
Okay. Like clearly, we're not that dumb.

Speaker 1 I think that was like something very interesting in the movie.

Speaker 1 Obviously, I talked to you earlier before we got out here about like that parking lot scene just like struck me because I think every woman, anytime you were in a dark area and you are walking anywhere, your senses go up where you're like,

Speaker 1 what the fuck is going to happen to me? What the fuck is going to happen to me? Am I going to die? Am I going to get murdered?

Speaker 2 How do you think this movie like what do you think it says about how women are preyed upon in society yeah i mean well first of all i just want to say like it's so interesting that you use the word like your senses go up because even the way that um like that scene was kind of the first scene that i could like visualize um and i imagined it in kind of mediums and close-ups and then when that thing happens where we've all been there where you're like an interaction is perfectly pleasant and then 10 seconds later you're like wait 10 seconds ago everything felt fine.

Speaker 2 And now like something feels very fucking dangerous. It almost is like your entire, like your hearing, your peripheral vision is just like, okay, where do I see movement? Where do I hear movement?

Speaker 2 How unsafe am I? And so that's when like the camera goes, jumps wide because it's like, oh, that's when you would be aware of like, oh, this parking lot is. empty.

Speaker 2 Like there's not a maintenance man. There's not a passing couple.
Like all I can hear is the buzz of the street lights.

Speaker 2 And it really is like in those moments in your own mind, you're like, oh, I can almost hear like the ringing in my own ears because like there's nothing. Fuck, there's nothing.

Speaker 1 That is so interesting stylistically, like you

Speaker 1 having the decision making around the camera angles and

Speaker 1 how different not that like we love men and we love male directors, but I'm just like so curious to know like how a man would have directed that scene where you're directing it, like,

Speaker 1 so in the presence of your own body and how you would feel in that moment.

Speaker 2 Man, and there were times when people were talking about, like, when we were on set, people were talking about me as like, oh,

Speaker 2 I'm so glad a woman's directing this. And there were times where I was like, is it making that much of a difference? I can't really tell.

Speaker 2 And then there were, like, you know, there were, there were a bunch of examples like this, but there was a, there's a moment where like the girl in the New York City apartment, when she kind of realizes like, oh, something's wrong.

Speaker 2 I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong. And she doesn't even drop her smile and you can just sort of see it in her eyes.

Speaker 2 And when we were shooting that, one of my producers was like, should we just do another take where it's just more clear what's happening?

Speaker 2 And I was like, it will be very clear to women what's happening. Like, I think it will be clear to most men.

Speaker 2 But I was also like, if there's like 20% of men who are like, I don't understand what's happening in this scene, fine. Right.
That's okay. That would be fine.

Speaker 2 I would much rather like actually be like, no, this is how you would handle this. Like, you wouldn't let on at all.
No.

Speaker 2 So, yeah, it was like, oh, I wasn't really sure how

Speaker 2 like being a woman director would really show up in the movie. But then, yeah, there were a bunch of things like that where I was like, oh, no, that's not even what the scene's about.
Like, what?

Speaker 1 No, I love it so much. And I think, again, the themes are so important for people in society to just like grasp onto and understand.

Speaker 1 And I think this is like a very accurate depiction, obviously heightened, like we're not all not like dealing with like a murderer, serial killer.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 there are so many stories that I hear where, I mean, even your story where you're like, why did I, why didn't I just, whatever. It's like, you did what you had to do.
Are you kidding?

Speaker 1 I know. Are you kidding? It's just so weird.
Daddy Yang, we're talking about the Paris episode, the Paris story. If you haven't listened, go listen.

Speaker 1 But like, yes, that story, I remember being so even anxious to tell the story online at first because I was like, oh, God.

Speaker 2 Everyone's just going to say like, well, girl, what were you thinking?

Speaker 1 Like, why'd you get on a plane? Like, why'd you go? And I'm like, because I thought that he was a normal, nice man. Like, I think that's what we all go into it.

Speaker 1 Like, unless you are burned so deeply from a young age, which is horrific, and you have your, those like guards up from a young age, you go through life for a while until you hit a point where you are.

Speaker 1 fucked over in a way that like will stay with you for the rest of your life. And we wish that wouldn't happen to us.
But when it happens, you can't unsee it.

Speaker 1 But before it happens, you're trusting people. Completely.
You're like, I want to trust people. Yeah.
I want to have a good time with someone.

Speaker 2 Like, isn't it interesting that we're so easily

Speaker 2 induced to go like, well, what were you thinking? Like, trusting someone, thinking other people are good.

Speaker 2 But then, by the way, if you're like, oh, I'm kind of cagey about dating and stuff right now, it's like, well, you got to open yourself up. You're like, all right.

Speaker 2 Maybe, oh, oh, oh, oh, this is a setup. This is a trap.
Oh, I see. I see.
There's no no winning.

Speaker 1 Got it. There's no fucking winning.
Wait, speaking of dating, as we're wrapping up, I promise.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Are you dating? Are you single? What's going on?

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Speaker 1 Here's the thing, Daddy Gang. You know, I love the outdoors.
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 1 And I love it until I don't have service. Okay.
I'm like, ooh, this hike is so gorgeous, Matt. My dogs are so hot.
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Speaker 1 Are you dating? Are you single? What's going on?

Speaker 2 No, no,

Speaker 2 I'm single, but it is funny. I was like, I was thinking the other day, i've been single for a while

Speaker 2 and uh and i was like oh god i'm this is very me i'm very avoidant and i i have all these kind of um

Speaker 2 uh

Speaker 2 like little traps uh in in my head or like escape hatches or whatever and uh i think like for a long time now i've been like oh nope no prospects meanwhile i'm like anna every time your phone buzzes it's someone being like oh i know this guy who writes on this great he's on that show that's so great that everybody loves and he like really wants to meet you.

Speaker 2 So just let me know. And like, I just put it back down and go, no prospects for old Anna.
Poor, poor Anna. Nobody wants me.

Speaker 2 Like, it's like such a game that I'm playing with myself where I'm like, oh, I'm not wanting to go there. So I just like don't see what's happening.

Speaker 2 Like people, like people going, like, I'd love to take you out for a meal. And me going like, oh, he wants to be buddies.
Like, and that's not even a euphemism.

Speaker 2 That's just like how people ask you on dates.

Speaker 1 And it's just amazing the way that I'm like, ah, no one for poor hannah it's so pathetic you're just not in the mood yeah basically well and also like i made this movie about like the most dangerous violent man so there might be some bleed over there no i think it's i love when people are like no i'm not dating i think like we can normalize that when people are like you're not seeing anyone i hate those friends that are like come on it's like first of all shut up i'll do it when i want to but clearly like yes you went through something with someone and you made this movie and now it's like you're gonna get back out there when you want to to get back out there Is there anything that's like a non-negotiable for you in a relationship?

Speaker 2 Oh, well in spite of my

Speaker 2 not great experience with couples therapy. Yeah

Speaker 2 I was like first of all I'm never getting involved with a man meaning like we're not even kissing we're not like I'm not even we're not even gonna like have a real conversation unless you are in or have been in therapy

Speaker 2 and if we're actually like oh okay maybe this is a relationship we're getting a couple therapists from jump from jump And like, by the way, that guarantees nothing. Like even that.
But yeah, I

Speaker 1 love that. A man that's in therapy.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 2 It warms my heart. It's a good time.
It is not a guarantee of anything.

Speaker 1 You're right. It's not a guarantee, but at least it's like a little bit more, like...

Speaker 1 It's a little bit more in the right direction. Completely.
Because a man that's like, I would never fucking go to therapy. I'm like, what's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 You're the one that has the most fucking trauma. Totally.
Like, not a good time.

Speaker 2 And can I say, I mean, even the kind of going back to the red flag thing that, like, I'm aware that, you know, I love that there is a bit of a community and women wanting to share, like, ooh, this turned out to be a red flag.

Speaker 2 And like, you know, we should know those things and know that, like, it doesn't necessarily protect us to look out for those things.

Speaker 2 But I was like, I was thinking about how,

Speaker 2 you know, a classic one is like any guy that says like, oh, all my exes are crazy. That's a red flag.

Speaker 2 I was like, you know, all of these guys have access to the same internet and the same culture that we do.

Speaker 2 So I don't think that they're rocking up to first dates and going, oh, all my exes are crazy fucking bitches. They're like, it was a messy situation.
It was, you know, and I've been burned.

Speaker 2 And look, I probably contributed in some ways too, but

Speaker 2 I'm like, I think as we're learning it, they are too.

Speaker 2 Not to be like, oh, they're like, and I don't even think they're doing it on purpose. No, you're right.
It's just happening subconsciously.

Speaker 2 No, like the those little fuckers are fully learning off of this episode being like don't say this do this no you're right you're right they're taking notes like they're not idiots you're right i had a guy tell me about an ex where he was doing like it was almost like he was getting me to collude with him by by being like no she was a great person but then would tell me things about her that would make me go that's not okay that's awful and he would sort of be like oh wow really do you think it was and then it was all bullshit it was all full-on fabricated crazy but like it it is like oh they're oh oh they're learning they're like velociraptors my god okay so on a first date what do you want to be doing on a first date are you going to a dinner are you doing a coffee are you doing a fucking zoom meeting oh my god what are we doing what's your ideal first date uh i know i'm like is there a way to just like

Speaker 2 have it like at my house in my pajamas. I mean, like, you have to look nice.
And I will be like recording it for the the authorities, so don't try anything. But I, yeah, I am like, what?

Speaker 2 Leave the house? Dinner, Alex. That's disgusting.
Why would you say that? He'll do a fake.

Speaker 2 But go to a movie? What? Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 Your movie?

Speaker 1 How iconic. Yes.
Kind of iconic. Okay, last two questions.
What is your best quality that you think you bring to a relationship?

Speaker 2 Oh, God.

Speaker 2 Oh, sometimes

Speaker 2 when I feel like I've seen like memes and stuff online about like the girlfriend that will be like, This isn't what he ordered.

Speaker 2 You know, how like some men are, are like, oh, that's, well, this isn't, um, but that's okay. And I'll just eat it.
Like, I'm very much like the bodyguard.

Speaker 2 Like, I think I'm compensating for how short I am. I'm always like, wait, wait, now, hang on a second.
Um, which is weird because I'm the person where if the wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it.

Speaker 2 But when it's somebody else, and it's the same thing with friends where I'm like, where are they? No, no, no, no, no, no, who said that to you? No, no, no, no, no, no, where are they?

Speaker 2 I just want to talk. No, no, no.
I just want to talk.

Speaker 2 Like, I go, I really talk crazy to people. It's, it's a lot, but I don't know.
I like that about myself. I kind of like that.

Speaker 2 I don't know if you find that. It's way easier for me when it's somebody else.

Speaker 1 Of course. And then to stick up for yourself, you're like, oh, no.

Speaker 2 No, no, no, never, never.

Speaker 1 But to someone else, I'm like, oh, I got you, bitch. I'm coming in full swinging.
Like, let's go.

Speaker 2 No. I'm like, they're already dead.

Speaker 2 I don't, we don't even have to worry about it. I slept their throat last night.
It's fine.

Speaker 1 That's a good friend to have. This is good to know about you.
Brittany's lucky, but you're also lucky with my friends. I'm very lucky.

Speaker 1 Last question. What do you think is like the biggest misconception about you?

Speaker 2 Oh, God. I don't know.
I don't know. I mean, sometimes, okay, sometimes, I don't know if this counts as like a misconception, but sometimes I truly don't realize how dry I'm being.

Speaker 2 I have like such nervous kid sister energy around

Speaker 2 like real like comics.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 so I'll try to like be funny. Like even, even if someone's just funny, like I'll be like, oh yeah, I have to like keep up.

Speaker 2 And I'll go so dry that I think sometimes I don't realize it comes off like I'm being dead serious. I saw a video of my, I saw a TikTok of myself once.
I was at this party and

Speaker 2 this guy like, you know, just got me to do like a video with him.

Speaker 2 And I was joking that he told me that he'd been like filming me from across the party. It was fine.
It was fine, whatever.

Speaker 2 Um, but I was like, oh, we're doing a bit about how, like, oh, you were secretly filming me, motherfucker. Like, so, okay, we're doing, like, I'm like, yeah, we're doing a bit.

Speaker 2 And then I see the TikTok because it like went viral. And I was like, oh my God, it seems like I'm, it seems like I'm, it seems like I'm ready to kill this man.

Speaker 2 Which, like, look, mostly am I ready to kill men at any given moment? A little, but I was like, I'm being so funny.

Speaker 2 And then I saw it back and I was like, oh my God. And all the comments were like, wait, is she being serious? And I was like, I don't know.
Am I being serious? My God.

Speaker 2 Like, and it really, I'd never like seen just a video of me doing a bit that wasn't like coming across as a bit. Right.
So I was like, oh my God, how many times? How many times?

Speaker 2 Because this is like the tone that I snap into when there's like a comedy director or something, like where I was like, oh, wow, there have got to be so many situations where they're like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I thought we were getting along fine. And then she just like freaked.
She like went like dead-eyed on me or something. Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm being so funny.
It's going great. Okay.

Speaker 2 Like, I'm nailing it. Anna, you're nailing it.

Speaker 1 And that is the end of our episode.

Speaker 1 And that concludes today's session, ladies and gentlemen. Anna, thank you so much for coming on Caller Daddy.
This was so fun.

Speaker 2 You're amazing.

Speaker 2 Thank you so much for everything.

Speaker 1 Thank you. Thank you.

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