Anna Kendrick: Pitch Perfect, Twilight & Relationships

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What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy anna kendrick welcome to call her daddy i'm so happy we're doing this me too we've never met is it tacky should i get rid of my phone only you can put on silent yeah no i think it's not tacky whatever but no i'll just get it okay okay sorry just in'll just get it on the phone. OK, OK, OK.
Sorry. Just in case you get like an important call.
No. Who would be calling you? No one.
No one. That's fine.
Are you a big texter? Oh, yeah. I'm always like, if you need to get a hold of me, like, you're going to have to text me.
You're not answering. If you want an email back, you're going to have to wait like two weeks.
You might as well send me a postcard in the mail. I'm so bad on my email.
Are you one of those people that has like a thousand plus emails or are you like deleting? Um, I think it was, you know that, okay. So you know that this is not interesting, but you know that period between Christmas and New Year's where you're like, what, what, where are we? And like, time has no meaning.
Um, I was like, I'm going to clean out my email inbox because I did have one of those. Cause it was like, well, what else are we doing? Right.
And I, I am am one of those people and I hate that about me that I'm one of those people that has like two I have the same thing I and if anyone calls me I immediately don't answer well I'm like did someone die this is bad news this is terrible I don't like confrontation no I don't I don't like communication people I don't know no that's not true mostly but um Yeah, no. have to text me okay obviously like being an actress now like obviously director but like what is your like day off like what are you up to when you're not working um I'm trying to get mint to grow in my garden I'm trying to I'm trying to really like be a homemaker not a homemaker That's not what I mean I mean I'm trying to like like be a homemaker, not a homemaker.
That's not what I mean. I mean, I'm trying to like do something physical and tangible that I can go like, wow.
And I grew this mint and now I'm putting it in a cocktail because that's as close as I'm ever going to get to cooking. And I don't know.
There's something about like devoting your entire life to this very weird thing of like pretending to be another person and you know like crying on cue in front of a room full of people you met three days ago and whatever that you're like I don't make anything physical you know what I mean like so I I feel like I'm always trying to find like I should really take up knitting or something like I just want to like make something that I can hold and go like I made this okay to give you a little bit more credit you are making something that I mean like I mean it's not like it's not real but there is just something like fleeting about it or I don't know are you having an existential crisis right now constantly this whole episode is us just trying to figure out like what is the meaning of being an actor and life no but i get what you're saying you're like i want something tangible aka mint it's a little odd that mint is the one thing in your garden it goes in a lot of cocktails what can are you making good cocktails i'm trying yeah i went yeah when i moved i was like i want to be able to like have people over and be able to and be able to offer them a like I'm never going to cook. That's never going to happen.
Okay, pretend I come over. What are you making me for a drink? Well, do you have like a specific? I like tequila and vodka.
So I'm kind of like I can go either way. I like a Moscow Mule.
I like a margarita. Moscow Mules are super, super easy.
So we love that. Okay.
But there's like a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like. I also feel like people tend to come over and say that they drink anything but gin, but gin makes great cocktails.
Like drinking gin straight is for crazy people. I don't know what that's about.
That's right. But it makes really great cocktails, especially if you want to serve something up.
And also if like want to commit to doing an egg white foam it gets it's really easy and people are like absolutely blown away that you've created I'm blown away already we an egg white foam yeah the key is doing a dry shake in your shaker with the egg white um before you add ice and then it will really and then you add all the other ingredients and then add ice and then it will actually like stay foamy and you know just put a little like sprig of lavender or something on top and like people are like oh my god how did you do this me I'm the dumb bitch that's like well then that's what I would make for you so that so that you want me impressive yeah that's okay that's good to know what is one thing you can't leave the house without um oh god um probably chapstick like I'm one of those people that I have like a I have like a drawer full of chapsticks and yeah same yeah and I like all the different flavors and the oh yeah what's your go-to um I really like the Burt's Bees there's like a pomegranate one are you fucking with me no you you're fucking with me no what people are laughing what's happening you fucking talk to someone are you doing a bit on my life on my dad's soul no absolutely what is happening Anna you are not about to do that to me right now you don't understand that's sick no you don't get it I might have it in my fanny pack I'm not joking you brought a fanny pack you know what we're I'm doing a lot right now don't make fun of my fanny pack first of all that's it now I feel like you're fucking with me no that's crazy okay I have a I feel like you just I feel like you're like the mentalist like you're're Criss Angel and you're like, you mean this pomegranate lipstick? Whichever one you said, you're like, road lipstick. I'm like, boom.
Because I also like the sweet violet, but I was like, well, that's not really, I guess that's a tinted lip balm. I don't know.
That's something else. So I was like, pomegranate.
I like the pomegranate too because it gives you that a little bit of a tint. The tiniest, the tiniest tint.
Yeah. I? What's happening? Wait, and I'm not kidding you.
I thought you were doing a bit no where you were like fucking with me wait have you like talked am I an idiot have you no no everyone that like really really knows me like you know the Arthur meme where he's like got the fifth yeah I always have this in and anywhere you look like any interview I'm doing I have it somewhere in my body and I have an entire bowl in my house and every single sweat bowl I have a bowl in my house of all the pomegranate next to my bathroom sink and I just pick one up every day and I open a new one and I use it until I lose it and then I go back I love it this is weird this is weird I don't like it creepy it's really creepy but I think the reason I love chapstick so much is because I have this feeling it's like the ick of myself as if I don't have my lips somewhat moisturized I feel like that is goes and is like almost contingent with having bad breath like I feel like when you see someone with chapped lips you're like they must have bad breath oh yeah I don't know no I think that yeah I haven't thought about it but like subconsciously yeah I'm just gonna lean away okay so you're a chapstick girl. Yeah.
Good to know. So you probably have good breath.

Haven't gotten close enough to you today, but we'll see later.

What is the most high-maintenance thing about you?

Probably my hair.

Because I'm like a secret curly.

What? I'm like a secret, like, like, like Keri Russell and Felicity level curly.

You have gorgeous hair. Well, you know, it's not really what my hair looks like.
Um, uh, yeah. And I, I've been like, I haven't like, I, I've, I wore, I started, I was on like a natural, like, you know, curly hair, um, journey.
Like I let my therapist see me with my like real hair. Oh, that's big steps.
Um, and like, like two of my best friends in my house have like come over and I'm like, I should let you know that I have let my hair dry naturally and I'm in a very vulnerable place. Because I just, it was one of those things that I always felt like messy.
Because I think like when I really started to be like, oh, I need to like start learning how to like blow out my hair and whatever was when like pin straight hair was it. It was when like tiny butts and super straight hair was the, the height of female attractiveness.
So I just felt like, yeah, I don't know. Almost like the chapped lips things where I was just constantly like doing that, you know, just trying to like make my hair be like flat.
And when it would get like frizzy, if I would go to a concert or whatever, I would just be like freaking out about it, like humiliated. But you're like, I have to leave.
I have to leave the concert. And I was thinking about like like all the fucking energy and time that I think we all spend without even thinking about it, about like, OK, well, OK, if I wash my hair at this time and then how long is it gonna take to do my blowout and if I shave my legs on this day I'll have stubble for that well but like and just it's always just running in the background it's exact it's exhausting it's so exhausting and it's so dumb because we notice so much more about ourselves like I bet if you had your curly hair here I'd be like oh I love your curly hair we what did your therapist, what did your therapist say to you? Did you do, like, a big reveal of, like, I'm going to show you now? Oh, good.
Was it on Zoom or in person? It was on Zoom. Oh.
And I think it was, like, I was still, like, this is so boring. But I was still, like, self-conscious about it.
So I pulled back, like, you know, I did, like, a half up, half down thing. And so she was sort of like, oh, where are you going? Like, that oh where are you going like that it was you know that it was like it just looked different because I usually just like wear it in like a bun and a headband right um so I think she thought that I was like going somewhere so I was like well that's that's encouraging she wasn't like what happened um but yeah I'm still like you're dealing I'm still on a journey well you know, you know what? We're going to support you on that journey Your hair looks amazing today But I bet it would also look amazing if it was curly Okay, anyways You've been making movies for two decades What do you think you would be doing if you hadn't pursued acting? Oh God God help me I don't know what I really don't I mean, I feel like obviously I didn't get into show business because I hate attention so there's that piece um like I'll when people ask me that question I feel like I'll usually just say like oh I'd have a bakery or something but like I don't know I would be so screwed like I actually remember when um when I was 17 18 whatever I whenever I like moved uh to LA um I was really really jealous of all my friends that were going to college number one because I felt really insecure about not going to college I have a whole you know complex about it um but I was also you know on the phone like hearing about this exciting new chapter that was sort of laid out for them and you know going to classes and joining a sorority and um you know having this like immediate community and I was in LA I was like 17 or 18 it's really hard to make friends in LA because of like the way the city is laid out but especially when you don't have a fake ID and even if I did I looked about 12 so that wasn't gonna work anyway and I was just like absolutely terrified and really wondering if I was like making a huge mistake and then the weirdest thing was that when everybody entered their sophomore year, I was I was still like just, you know, trying to get in the door and all that.
But I then noticed that when I would get on the phone with friends of mine who were in college, they were suddenly all of them sophomore year having a total crisis because freshman year was like this is so exciting and there's this new chapter and like my whole life is ahead of me and I'm making these friends and sophomore year it felt like okay I'm back with the same people and that's great and um I'm picking my classes for this year and that's great um but what do I want to do with my life? Like there's no longer just the excitement of like, oh my God, frat parties and you know, the college experience. It's like, oh, I have to figure out what I want.
And so even though the thing that I wanted felt like a total pipe dream and like, what am I doing? This is a a disaster it's so hard to carve out a space for yourself in this industry but on the other side of it holy shit I did not think like what a blessing to just know what I want and I was like watching all my friends go oh my god I don't know what to what I want what to do it's so interesting like because I I went to college and I remember from a young age I like knew I wanted to be in Hollywood like I knew I wanted to create I knew I wanted to do something in this industry but my mom kept just being like no you have to do school you have to do school and then you can do it later and I resented that so much for a while but hearing like the difference like again everyone wants what they don't have of like being in college wishing by sophomore year I was like get me the fuck out of here I know exactly what I want to do but you being like watching all the kids in college and you being like that was a big insecurity of mine like why was it an insecurity though because you were like I don't have an education technically Totally Interesting So I I think my family really values um like traditional education um you know for good reasons bad reasons whatever um and so I was like the first person to not go to college um and my dad was a teacher and everything so it was like very black sheep behavior to not go to college were they okay with you not going to college? Yeah. I mean, I think they knew I was going to do what I wanted to do.
But I think there was always that sense of like, well, if things maybe don't work out that first year, it's not too late to just, you know. So I think that was always like something that they had in mind.
But I don't think they were thrilled which is understandable um but yeah I then like just worried about like oh my god I didn't I didn't go to college you know I don't know it's like I get it I think it's like in a great way I do think like the concept of education now is becoming a little bit more lenient where people are like you don't need to go to college to be xyz and it's interesting because you were right on the right path but

because of like societal standards of like if you're smart you go to college it probably felt

so disorienting when you're watching all these people do like the natural next step really you

just skipped a big step and then you got ahead on your career but it doesn't mean you can't still

feel insecure about it of like in conversation having to be like oh I didn't go to college like I get that especially if your family was like go school go school and your dad being a teacher totally and I think now that I'm like older it's less of a thing but like early 20s you know that's like part of the conversation is like oh where'd you go to college yes I didn't like how oh my. Like, oh, my God, I have to say I didn't.
And at that point, like, you know, like 21, 22, I didn't really have much to show for it yet. You know, like then some things happened and, you know, it was less of an issue.
But you're like, oh, I didn't go to college because I wanted to become an actor. And it's like, how's that going? Well, you know, I think I got someone's I'm hearing my phone ring.

So, yeah. Right.
They're like, what are you? And you're like, be back soon. Got to go.
I get that. Talking about your family, though, you were raised in Maine, right? Born and raised in Maine.
What were you like as a kid? I think I was really like hyper vigilant. Like I was really in everybody's business a little bit.
But I think

that I was even thinking like a couple weeks ago about how I do one of my many toxic traits is I do kind of walk around with like a little bit of a, all right, who's trying to fuck me over? you know and I I was like I don't know there's a chance that it's like oh oh you're spelling bedtime you think I don't you think I don't know what's happening here you know like just I don't know just being real aggressive about like how I wanted things done and like very opinionated but I don't I can't really tell if that comes childhood. Or from like working in an industry where I'm sure you've experienced.
It's like you agree to certain things. And then it's like oh and can we also do this thing that would be really humiliating for you.
And not like pay you any extra money. Or check with you in advance.
And ask you in front of a group of people. So if you say no you'll look like a bitch you know so I'm just always like all right who in this room is trying to fuck me over that's so interesting that you're like did that happen when I was young or is it just like something I can't not remember because you started in the industry at what like 10 you started really getting into it yeah I uh I started kind of auditioning for things when I was 10 and I I booked first gig when I was 12.
So, but I mean, I wasn't auditioning all the time because I lived in Maine. And so either one of my parents had to drive me to New York City for like a 15 minute audition.
And they were like, well, sweetie, we love you, but Jesus. So eventually my brother and I would take a Greyhound bus from Maine to New York.
And that's one of the situations where we were in that I auditioned for this show that I ended up getting. And we were in New York and they asked me, are you cool to like stay for a callback tomorrow? And I was always just like we'll just say just say yes you'll figure it out later so I was like absolutely I will see you tomorrow no problem and my brother and I like then are just like okay we need to find a hotel in New York City Anna what are you 11 I'm 12 he's 13 or 14 and so uh we found a hotel and my parents called the hotel and faxed a credit card and told them like yes yes we'll be along shortly and they're in Maine um and so I like wash my underwear in the sink and then just like put on this I mean luckily there is like a thing where if you get a call back you're it's kind of conventional wisdom that you should wear the same thing so that didn't seem like I was the gross kid with one pair of clothes same underwear um but uh so then the next day the same thing happened and again it was like no problem I will see you again in the morning and had to do it again um and then they, oh, that's right.
They did ask me, because I was wearing combat boots, and they were like, can you, because the part was for like a little rich girl. Okay.
So they were like, could you like wear something? Like, you know, we just love to see you in more of a kind of sunday best outfit and um and and specifically someone mentioned my shoes so i was wearing this like ratty cardigan and like ripped jeans and these like combat boots but i was like ah the solution will be to go to the nearest palace and find like white church strappy sandals and so like with like the last 20 dollars that we had, I like bought this pair of sandals, like dress sandals, and wore those with my ratty cardigan and jeans. And then like wandered in and I think they were just like, oh, for fuck's sake, yeah, fine, whatever, great.
And then we were on a Greyhound bus home and we had this phone for emergencies and that rang and it was like, hey, you're going to be on Broadway. I'm like trying to picture 12 year old me walking around in New York City with my brother who's two years older than me.
I'm like, how the hell were you not even scared? I think that we just thought it was like such an adventure. And I think we also like wanted to be like cool New York city kids.
So fucking bad that we were just like,

yeah. We just thought it was like such an adventure.
And I think we also like wanted to be like cool New York City kids so fucking bad.

Right.

That we were just like, yeah, this is so normal.

I can't remember if we were like low key freaking out or not.

But we I know that I mean, even when I went there at 17, I did this show at New York City Opera.

And I remember like riding the subway to work and, like, oh, my God, you know

that you see those gorgeous girls who are, like, going to American ballet?

Yes.

And being, like, and, like, looking at them and being, like, we're really doing it.

Oh, my God.

I'm in New York and I'm going to work and I'm going to work on the subway.

And it's, like, not a big deal at all.

Which, if you're thinking about it like that, it's a huge fucking deal to you.

I was, I had no chill.

But that was the vibe.

But that's sweet.

Yeah.

Okay, all of this is happening. I know that you were nominated for a Tony Award when you were just 12.
So it came from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK, what did kids in school think? It's weird. Again, like, I don't know if you've experienced something like this, but there were several moments where it felt like if I mentioned anything to the kids at school, they, don't get me wrong, understandably sort of thought I was, like, talking about something else.
Oh, interesting. Like, in the same way that if someone in my school, in like middle school or high school had been like, oh, yeah, I'm going to Olympic trials.
I would be like, so there's some kind of like local like, oh, it's the Olympics. You know what I mean? Like, I would just be like, no, you're not.
Right. Like, because that just doesn't make sense because we're from Maine.
Like, what are you talking about? I remember having like a really little indie film in the Sundance Film Festival when I was 16, 17 and going to Sundance. And I remember one of my close friends, one of my like best friends called me and was like, that's so weird.
There's something on the news about, I think it was, I could be getting this mixed up, but I think it was like the year that Britney Spears and like Fred Durst went to Sundance together. There's something, maybe I'm hallucinating.
It was some other story. I don't know.
But she called me and she was like, yeah, they're at like the Sundance Film Festival. And isn't that so weird? Because you were just saying that you're doing something called Sundance, but it's like like happening at the same time and I was like I'm at Sundance I'm at the Sundance I'm at the Sundance film that's why I was so fucking excited about it right you're like I'm here with Britney Spears yes and and like she was like a close friend so I think like there's an understandable thing that happens where you're just like yes not you they just didn't get it here they didn't get it so you And you didn't talk about it over the top, where people would even have a concept of it? No, no.
I mean, even I think there was a luckily very brief window where it was kind of like a teasing situation. So it was like I knew better than to be running my mouth about it too much.
Because people would make fun of you. Yeah.
Isn't that meanwhile it's like everyone wants to be a movie star I don't know I think just drawing any attention to yourself in middle like particularly this was like in middle school like right after I did the the Broadway show it's like you just want to disappear like I think people talk about high school as being cutthroat middle school oh was so much scarier to me it was so horrible I completely agree high school's actually like I started to get my shit together middle school I was terrified yeah I remember feeling like just like trying to be like a moving pile of laundry you know just wearing like the biggest clothes and just trying so fucking hard not to draw any attention to yourself yes so you obviously start to become so successful like was your family like oh this is normal you know I found some success and then I think this is pretty typical for for um entertainment stuff that like the money really follows like several years later, there's that where you're like okay I'm like low-key a little famous but I am so fucking broke it would

make you tear up how broke I am um so you're kind of trying to fake it till you make it um but like

I had brought my family to the Oscars and you know there was a really interesting moment a

Thank you. make it.
But like I had brought my family to the Oscars and, you know, there was a really interesting moment a few years later when I like bought my first place and I had them at my place and it was like you could feel the energy, particularly for my mom and dad, of like, oh, okay, okay, okay. And it wasn't a mansion, but it was just like oh you're gonna be okay because they were obviously like very proud and but there's things with like awards and reviews where that's great but it's still really abstract yeah and to just see something solid where it was like okay our crazy you know daughter who didn't go to college like has managed to buy a home you know it was like I could feel not so much like pride but that they were actually like oh you made it okay okay okay yeah it all worked out like we don't have to worry about now her like going back to college and trying to figure out something else completely she's She's not going to move in with us and like drain us dry.

Love.

Love.

You've been in so many great movies.

I want to talk to you about a few of them today.

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What was that audition process like? Well, you know, I think that the most interesting piece or the piece that has certainly followed me around is uh uh, when I auditioned, they, they needed you to just like prove that you could sing. Um, and I was like, well, I know how to do this thing.
There's a cup and there's this song and I could do that. So it was just cause I was like, well, where else am I going to do it? Cause I was like lame enough and dorky enough to have bothered like learning this thing.
Um um and so I did it for my audition and they were like we should put that in the movie and originally in the script like Becca my character's audition song was I'm a little teacup which I I keep meaning to ask the writer Kay Cannon like was that meant to be like funny How would that have worked? How was I supposed to play that? I don't know what I was supposed to do. Would you have gone like chill? Was I supposed to like do like a Christina Aguilera version of I'm a Little Teacup? Or was it supposed to be like like a like oh I like resent that I have to do this and you know but I sound fine so to let me in the group? How do you think you would have done it? I guess like that.
I mean I would have been relying on somebody to tell me like what the vibe was supposed to be right but luckily I didn't have to figure that out um so they they were like well let's do that for for Becca's audition and I was like great I'm making use of a useless skill and then um then people when they saw the movie like would ask about it and And so then the studio was like, we should release this as a single. And I was like, what are you fucking stupid? This is a single.
That's so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for us.
So they had me like go into the studio for like 20 minutes, a hit that was made in 20 minutes, and just like sing the rest of the song and I was like in there with a stool and a cup doing the cup in this weird studio. And then they were like, what if we did a music video? And again, I was like, are we, what's going on? This is so, you guys, I'm so embarrassed for you.
Like, I just was like, there's no way anybody would care about this. Like, whatever.
And so we like make this music video. And then it like, which is, by the way, why am I saying this phrase? Why is this phrase coming out of my mouth? It started climbing the charts.
Like, why is this a part of my story and my life? Like, I was just like, what's, what is fucking happening this is so out of the realm of anything that's supposed to be happening and I always thought like because I was in the middle of making this like indie film and I'd be getting like texts from people going like it just like got into the top 10 of like billboards top 100 and I was like in the Basement of some church like shooting this Tiny little indie film meanwhile I think it was like I think it was speaking of the times Miley Cyrus and Macklemore was like Also in the top 10 and so I Always just think like they must have been like What the fuck is this Shit like who is this Girl what is this how dare you I'm out here like busting my ass on good morning America putting on a live performance and this like freak show whatever this fucking is is in the top 10 how dare I what on earth Anna I would hate me I would hate me did you ever learn to be like damn that shit's good They did send me a platinum record. That was pretty cool.
That was pretty cool. Bye, bitch.
That's literally perfect. That was pretty cool.
You're like, I guess it was kind of good. I'm like, guess what I got my platinum record, though? That was a good day.
That's insane. You're like, this is so fucking embarrassing, you guys.
And meanwhile, it's like the entire world learned this shit. I remember trying to learn it, Anna.
OK? No, you did not. I did everyone oh I tried your face I couldn't really do it you shut your face you fucking invented it it's so crazy that you brought that to the movie and they were like yes um okay I just realized also while you were talking which is fun is I have had on you Brittany Snow Adam Divine and I have had on Rebel.
Oh my God. I have almost had like the entire cast.

I have had on you, Brittany Snow, Adam Devine, and I have had on Rebel. Oh my God.
I have almost had like the entire cast. Yeah, you're like collecting all the Pokemon.
Yeah, yeah. I'm kind of having a good time.
How would you describe your guys' friendship on that cast? Honestly, I use this word in the truest sense of like we are a family, like truly in the sense of like we didn't choose each other. Like we didn't ask to be in each other's lives in this way.
And we're so bonded. And it does feel there's something really, not to be lame, there's something really magic about it.
Because so often like you'll do a big job and there'll be like one or two people maybe that you keep in touch with and they're the people that are like the most similar to you and we're all really really different and after like three movies you're like I think this is like a not getting rid of each other kind of situation I think the entire world is happy it's a not getting rid of each other situation and also I think that I'm I'm very avoidant so like actually like cracking that shell and like being in my life like it takes some persistence it's a big deal so uh like Brittany's always joking that her she's like well your phone is all all white or whatever the you know the blue text yeah you get it you get it um because she's like always texting me and just being like I know you're not gonna reply but um you know I think that I'm kind of like certainly the curmudgeon of the group but it is like almost like everybody has a role yeah and you know like you know Brittany kind of like brings the party and i um bring the grumpiness i guess i

don't know um but i am like it's really interesting because even the girls that are not like one of

the closest girls like when they're going through something i get the call and it's and it's it makes

me feel so good um because i do feel like that's kind of my role in the group is like if if you're

Thank you. get the call and it's and it's it makes me feel so good um because I do feel like that's kind of my role in the group is like if if you're in jail like my shoes are on we're I'm gonna we're getting you out tonight I don't know how but we're gonna figure it out I love whereas like if you need help with like party invitations like I'm gonna freeze up and be like I don't I don't know I don't know I don't know what to do I don't know I have now.
Call Brittany. Yeah.
Call Brittany. Please call Brittany.
It's so fun to know that you and Brittany Snow are so close because it, I don't know, it like set something right in the world. Like I like that you guys are friends.
I think it also is nice because obviously as like consumers, we know that sometimes on movie sets, like people don't get along and there's something oddly satisfying about how amazing those movies are and knowing you guys are so close like it's just a fun thing for fans it makes me really happy i saw some of the girls from the movie the original the craft having dinner once and i was like you guys are friends of real life like it makes you happy oh my god it made me so fucking happy so i do i would be like oh, I wouldn't think anyone would like care. We care.

But seeing the craft girls, I was like, this is so beautiful.

So now you get it.

It means so much to me.

So now when people are crying, when they see you guys out together, you get it.

Totally.

Are we getting a fourth one?

Oh, I have no idea.

I'm always like, I'm always like Rebel is kind of like the steam train of the group.

Come on, Rebel.

Like she's always like, I think we should do it.

And I'm like, well, then great.

We should.

I agree.

I'm just here for- Rebel is kind of like the steam train of the group. Come on, Rebel.
Like she's always like, I think we should do it.

And I'm like, well, then great.

We should.

I agree.

I'm just here for just be backup, I guess.

We need it.

I would love that because like we're all so busy and I'm so happy that everybody's so like busy and successful and doing so much that actually getting like whatever, you know,

the 10 of us in a room is like impossible.

So it's usually like maybe six of us at a time, you know, trying to like have a little reunion. So it does feel like the thing that would actually get us all in a room again is like the movies.
So that's my best reason. I will watch.
So let us know. Twilight.
Can you believe? Can believe I mean what okay so someone was just asking me about like a while ago I had you know done a silly funny tweet where I just said like holy shit I just remembered I was in twilight and people were like but you didn't like forget you didn't forget that you were in twilight the answer is truly truly yes and no because obviously obviously I didn't forget the experience of making the movies I didn't you know but those movies like especially at the time took on such a life of their own and like they were such a kind of like for for better or for worse like a kind of touchstone like like such a

reference that you know everybody would talk about like trying to find the next twilight or whatever and I would find myself in like business conversations talking about oh yeah I've heard that that there's a book series that just got optioned you know that maybe want to try and make it the next twilight and then I would be like oh my god I'm in'm in. Oh my God.
I'm in the movie. Oh my God.
Because I was also so on the, uh, just on the outside, had a front row seat, but was just on the outside of the madness of it. And I was really like lucky to not be dealing with the, the eye of the storm really, you know? Um, I think that like a lot of the folks that were in the movie, even in the later movies where they are playing, like, as long as you were a supernatural character, if you had one line, you, like, couldn't leave your hotel room.
It's crazy. People were crazy.
And, you know, people were criticizing, like, oh, but she has green eyes in the book or whatever. And I just didn't have to deal with any of that.
So, so on the, it's almost feels like I didn't really have to run the gauntlet that some of the other, I mean, most of the other people did. I just had to like show up and say dumb, funny shit and just be like, what are you guys talking about? Because they're fucking acting weird.
Okay. Everybody's really serious.
Bye. Like that was the, that was the that was the gig it was awesome Jessica oh my fucking god Jessica being like what's so great about Bella like I don't get it like what's going on with Bella which is also crazy because when I auditioned for that I was like yeah I think in the book she's like the blonde athletic volleyball captain popular girl So I was like, well,'m not getting this job and the goal then becomes like well I hope I just like make an impression on the casting director and the director so maybe they'll remember me for something else right and so I was like well I'm just gonna like try to be like weird and funny because I don't know and then they were like oh great yeah let's do that so there I am with like my with my headband because like in that humid weather they didn't know what to do with my hair full circle they were like it just keeps getting bigger so so it was always like in a headband or pulled back like really tight um and you know in my like ratty little costume like you know five inches shorter Than Kristen going like I don't even get what the point is Meanwhile she's so stunning

In real in my like ratty little costume, like, you know, five inches shorter than Kristen going like, I don't even get what the point is. Meanwhile, she's so stunning in real, like you're like, oh my God, I'm staring into the eyes of like a Siberian husky.
She's so gorgeous. Like, I mean, she's gorgeous on screen, but like in person, have you met her in person? No.
There's a quality, let me tell you. Really? Oh my God, it's breathtaking.
And she's obviously very beautiful. And sometimes you meet certain people and you're like, what? How dare you? Right.
Why are you doing this to me? Oh my God. So, you know, the audacity of me to be like, I don't see it.
I don't get it. Right.
You're like, right, right, right. Were you ever like, I'm being annoying? Like, or you're like, it's fine.
It's my role. Yeah.
I guess it was like, I'm being annoying annoying, which means like you're doing your job. I'm doing what I'm supposed to be.
You're doing your job. I'm obsessed with you being like they trying to put my hair down and I'm like, I don't know what to do.
I know. It all comes real circle.
OK, next movie. Alice Darling.
This is like obviously a bigger shift and is a basically is about a woman in an emotionally abusive relationship.

When you're taking on a more intense role, like, do you hesitate in those moments or do you enjoy those type of moments that are a little bit darker? It was. Oh, gosh, that's weird.
I'm about to use a phrase that I've been using in reference to directing. So but it it kind of makes sense because it's a similar thing where it was like pushing myself off of a cliff and not giving myself the time to go, is this a good choice? Because it was like, it was really scary and personal and God, I'm just remembering like, I remember I didn't tell I haven't thought about this in a while.
I didn't tell anybody in my life, not my like, well, this was also kind of covid-y. So I wasn't talking to that many people.
So again, I'm bringing up my therapist. But I didn't tell my therapist.
I didn't tell like my closest friends that I was making this movie about emotional abuse because I had just gotten out of a relationship that was extremely similar to the movie. And I didn't want anybody to tell me to not do it.
Like I didn't want to get talked out of it. And I knew that there were good reasons for my friends and certainly my therapist to be like, is this the best idea for you like right now? Um? So I just kept telling them it's about, like, three friends in a cabin, and, like, it's about, like, their relationships, which in a way it is.
Right. But, yeah, I, like, didn't, even when, after the movie was wrapped, whatever, like, they didn't even know that it was about emotional abuse until, like, the trailer came out.
I just didn't I just didn't want somebody to tell me well I don't know maybe this is the childhood thing of like I don't want you to tell me it's bedtime like I need to do this I'm gonna do this can I ask like how long did that um abusive relationship that you endured last um it was it didn't follow the traditional pattern which is kind of yet another reason why I was finding it really difficult to identify it and name it as abusive. OK, because I was like reading all the articles and going like this doesn't look like some of it looks like how they're describing it, but not completely.
And so the relationship was seven years. OK.
But it was like an overnight switch. And that went on for about a year.
So it didn't follow that more traditional like it's like a frog in boiling water thing where it started slow. It came out of absolutely nowhere but was built on this foundation of I had so much love and trust for that person.
So I thought it had to be me. Like I, if one of us is crazy, it must be me.
So it was very, very difficult to actually go, no, this, I think this is, I think this is him. I think this is his stuff because I turned my life completely upside down trying to um fix whatever was wrong with me and you know it didn't help that for a long period of time our like couples therapist I think just bought his stuff kind of hook line and sinker and I've had several sessions with him uh in you know the last several years where he's apologized to me because I think he realized what was going on like toward right toward the end but um yeah that obviously made everything a lot more complicated we always have to remember like therapists are human beings too and a lot of times they don't know the inner dynamics.
And if you are with a very manipulative person though, that is good in crowds, like they can mask it pretty easily. And you can be kind of painted to be the person that's like insane or you're unreasonable or you're like unwilling to make the relationship work.
And when you have a licensed person staring at you next to the person that is abusive. Cause we project much authority onto them even though we kind of know intellectually well they're just people right it's like I just want and it was also I just want someone to tell me what's happening like I wasn't I wasn't even thinking like we're gonna go into couples therapy and he's gonna you know ream you out and it's gonna I was just well, someone just explained to me what's going on.
So, uh, yeah, it was, uh, it was full on, but it was also interesting that like, I always felt like I was trying to stay so calm in couples therapy because I was like, fuck in these sessions, he's so able to kind of stay calm in a way that he does not do when we're outside of therapy um and then there was a day again toward the end where I really kind of like lost my shit and I did think like oh my god like what have I done like what have I done like I can't it's gonna be so bad now like what what did I do what do you mean what do you mean it's gonna be so bad Like if things when I'm trying so hard to like appease this person, they're so fucking awful.

So how bad is it going to get now that I've like yelled it, you know?

And I sent after that session, I first of all, weirdly, he was fine, which was very weird, very interesting.

Because I think he felt like maybe a little bit like calm because he was like, see, you're fucking crazy.

So it was weirdly fine.

But I sent the therapist an email being like, I'm so embarrassed.

I'm so sorry.

Like, you know, I need to control myself or whatever because I had yelled in this session.

And he called me, which he hadn't done before and was like no no I'm so proud of you and that's when I knew like oh something has shifted like something's changed and then yeah things ended pretty quickly after that I mean I appreciate you sharing this just because I have so many women that listen that are like what are the signs and like I appreciate you how you opened the conversation about this topic about like it literally changed overnight and I was reading all the articles being like is this me well no that's not me you try to justify things like do you mind sharing anything that maybe like my listeners could be like oh this this this this is happening to me, too, that like maybe doesn't present as like this is abusive and toxic. But the undertone is so there.
God, it's so hard. It's so hard.
And I. Well, I don't know, maybe I'll maybe I'll think of something, but it's this conversation is even like really complicated for me.
It's like even talking about it, I can feel like my body temperature growing up because I think that sometimes the conversation around like red flags, like those are important conversations that we should be talking about it, like thinking about it, looking for them, sharing with each other. And I think that even the most well-meaning conversation sometimes about like red flags is can be a little victim blamey, which is hard because I'm like, well, also I want to know, you know, and share red flags.
because it does sort of put the onus on you to be able to identify something that by the way someone is working so hard to make sure you can't identify like I really started thinking about it like like if someone was raised from birth as like a wilderness survivalist and they just dropped you or I mean, I don't know, maybe maybe you have this in your background. But if they dropped you or me in the middle of the woods, I would step into a booby trap within three feet because I don't know what to look for.
And it's like because I didn't spend my life learning how to build or identify traps. Like, how is it that we're meant to, like, be inside the mind of someone who is working very hard to make sure that you feel very unsteady and are questioning yourself? So it's really, it's really complicated.
And it's, it's, it's hard for me because I, there are even times when I talk about my situation where, as I'm saying it, I will go, am I making that up? Am I making everything up? Like, I remember having a conversation with my therapist, like a year after that relationship where I was constantly asking her to just diagnose me with like an egocentronic disorder so that I could just fix it and make sure that like, oh, this just won't happen again or something. And there was a point where she was talking about my ex and she started to say something where she was like, well, you know, when you're dealing with a wolf in sheep's clothing.
And I went, no, no. What if I'm the wolf? Like, what if it was me? Because I think that was the thing that I didn't expect was how totally convinced he was of his own victimhood.
Like, I know him well enough in spite of feeling like, well, I didn't't know him at all but I know him well enough to know like he's not an actor he's not a performer he you know not a great liar in a lot of ways so I was like looking at someone who was actually kind of like suffering and and I thought like, well, if he's being manipulative, I'll know it because, you know, I'll smell the bullshit. Like I'll smell that this is kind of a performance that he's putting on.
But I don't think he was putting on a performance. I think he genuinely believed that I was like torturing him.
He told me one day I was terrorizing him because I was just crying because I couldn't pretend that things were fine anymore and I just started crying and he screamed in my face you're terrorizing me but it was truly from the place of a person who believed that they were being terrorized so I I don't I don't know if that's would resonate with people but it does it's like even when would watch these fucking videos, I would read the articles and watch the videos. And when like Dr.
Romani, who I love, like, you know, she's she's doing like an impression of a fight where, you know, some abusive piece of shit goes, Alex, you're crazy. But that's not how it actually sounds.
It's like it was like sometimes it was so emotional. It was like, Anna, I'm begging you like you're ruining everything you're making.
Like it was so real for him that it was like, am I really am I doing something terrible? And I think that, you know, especially with conversations about like, well, you're always out with your friends and trying to isolate you, those kind of things. Like, I think they're really convinced that you're doing something terrible to them.
So like the pain place is real and that can be very, very misleading and convincing. I just want to say the way that you, everything you just said.
Yeah. Did that, any of that make sense? 100%.
It made so much sense. If anything, it's probably one of the best descriptions of it because I really really appreciate you saying like I still am uncovering some of the fucking red flags because I'm still even in my head being like did that even happen am I is it still some of it on me like I think that is a great message to just give to everyone listening is like, it is not normal.
You should not be like, oh, that's bad behavior. And I recognize that you're being manipulative and gaslighting and blah, blah, blah.
Like when you're with someone that you love for so long and it does turn into an abusive situation, it is so hard to see. And that's why ignorant people that whether they don't have someone that they know or it never happened to them are like why didn't you just leave it's so it's so hard it's so much harder than that because even you to this day sitting here being like I still in my head I'm like was that real like yeah it's and even sharing that I'm like fuck should I even say that like there's something like that feels I think incorrectly but feels like shameful about how am I not more solid in my like healing recovery, whatever, how am I still? But it's not that in it.
It's like you are present in your reality today. But when you reflect back on that relationship and that inner dynamic with that person, you are still perplexed by how the person sitting here today was in a situation and how that went.
Like that I think is normal. Like I think that's what people struggle with.
And that's why I'm appreciative of you talking with me about this because like it is so weird when you're like I am happy and healthy now. So how can I still be affected by that? I think it would be weird to not be affected by someone that manipulated you in a way because it distorts your reality.
And so like you sitting here, like, I guess I could ask, like, how have you learned? And I'm sure you're still doing it like to trust yourself again. Yeah, it's hard.
I mean, yeah. I mean, even even having this conversation, you know, like in the the I know we haven't gotten there there, but, uh, in the, the movie that I made, um, like something small, like, you know, there are all these different women in the film and they all have like very different personalities.
And that felt important to me. Um, because as like yet another kind of small reason why it feels like, Hey, there's no, I wish there was, but there is no way to guarantee protection from someone who is determined to harm you.
And that sounds grim, and I guess it is, but surely like the least we can do when someone has harmed us, when we come out of like a devastating situation, is take off that top layer of shame where we go, well, I should have known. I should have seen.
I should have been different. I should have been the tough girl.
I should have been the sweet girl. I should have done.
And it's like none of that will save you. None of that will save you.
And again, like I almost hate saying that because it's so bleak. But I think I have – I did and still sometimes do so much self-shaming around like how did I find myself in that situation? Yes.
Like I'm a real asshole. So like how did I not do the thing that I would have told you that I would do? Which was immediately be like throw a scarf over over my shoulder and be like, have a nice life, dick.
And, and like, it's, there's something like, so vulnerable and kind of humiliating about the fact that like, I just stayed and I kept thinking, I'll, I'll just try to be, I don't know, warmer or better or something. I mean, even when this was the this was the, like our schedule was getting worked out to, to come and record this.
Um, it was like the next day I went on social media and I saw a video of you talking about an experience you had where you were like, why did I not just leave? And I was like, girl, I, you were in a fun response response yeah and like that's the whole like woman of the

hour that's it's like all fun response it's all just like what do I have to do to survive like

you were doing what you had to do to survive

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Right. And then you also directed it.
How did this come to be? Yeah. So I actually got the script for Alice Darling and Woman of the Hour like the same like month at least.
Like I want to say the same week, but but it might have been the same month. And, you know know certain movies just come together quickly and certain movies take forever so I was attached um as an actor for like two years okay and you know you're just sort of like well I love this script I love this story you know let me know and um and that happens a lot in uh in the industry and the other thing that happens is that sometimes you know something will just be kicking around for a long time and then out of nowhere it will be like hey we raised the money and we have a start date so let's try to keep this train on the tracks because otherwise it'll probably like disappear again right and so we were like suddenly starting the search for a director and I basically had like 48 hours where it was like this voice going Anna you should pitch yourself and me going shut up absolutely not everyone needs to be quiet we're not doing that um and it was that same feeling of like I'm oh my god I'm gonna push myself off a cliff and um so I pitched myself to direct the movie um because I felt like I had become slowly kind of obsessed with the script and there was a little bit of me um like where I would give like ideas feedback whatever but you know it was there were you know producers cooks in the kitchen whatever and I was always a little bit like, well, you know, if it were my movie, I would probably do it like that.
But it's not my movie. So whatever.
And the idea of taking it and just tweaking it that little bit was really exciting to me. So I pitched myself and I got the job.
And then six weeks later, I was in Canada doing like hard prep for the movie. And then we were like making the movie.
And it really was like, I'm going to push myself off a cliff. And I guess I will find out on the way down if I packed this parachute correctly.
Because like if it had been six months later, I would have panicked and backed out. I would have been like, you guys are right.
We should find someone way more experienced. It'll be great.
But I had also in the last like five years before that started to have the experience of looking around a film set and going, huh. Oh, oh God, I'm the most experienced person here.
Oh, oh no. I'm the most experienced person here

and I'm an idiot. This is a nightmare.
Like it wasn't like, Ooh, hot shit. It was like, Oh no.
But you are like, Oh wow. I've been, I've been doing this a long time.
Um, so yeah, it felt like, okay, it's kind of a now or never thing. And I was absolutely terrified.
But I was trying to kind of just like fake it. Right.
I'm a super confident leader. I should be in charge of things.
And again, like, I don't know about you, but like, I absolutely overthink things and I can get paralyzed in perfectionism, all that stuff.

And then when like my back was against the wall or like things were really running behind and you don't really have a choice but to be running on like adrenaline and instinct. there were even things in the edit where you know you're you're looking at like

the stuff in between takes where I would see myself like run into the frame and like give the actor a note and like adjust a piece of set deck and I was like well that lady seems like she knows what she's doing okay like when I'm in a blind panic and you don't really have a choice, I was like, she seems like she's an authority figure. How about that? I mean, it's an incredible movie and you should be so proud of yourself.
I know you are, but like to know that I didn't realize it was that where you're like, should I pitch myself? Should I pitch myself? Thank God you pitched yourself because it's awesome. Like it really is amazing coming from someone that gets so fucking scared from movies like this no I know and I did tell you I was like well if you made it through the first five minutes it's all it's like it gets easier from there it gets easier but before like for people who haven't watched it yet the movie is based on an insane true story can you give just like a little bit of a bite for them to understand what's going on yeah so it's it's based on, um, the true story of, uh, a serial killer in the 1970s who went on the show, the dating game.
Um, and it moves around through time. So it's kind of following this, like more than a decade long period where he was really operating without consequence because nobody was really looking for him, which is, uh, another interesting and by interesting mean enraging aspect of the story.
But I play the bachelorette who's on the dating game, and some of that footage exists online, but the full episode, like all the footage, appears to have been kind of like lost to time so uh the the screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as this opportunity to it's it's almost like a fantasy section of the movie except the fantasy is what if a woman stood up for herself can you imagine um but I but it's like it's interesting because speaking of like asserting yourself it's a really fun section of the movie it's a it's a you know it's a it's a really tense movie but like that section is kind of fun but as the viewer it's complicated because you know that okay she's been shrinking herself and in a fun response. And she's like standing up for herself, which is so fun to watch.
But we know she's getting herself closer and closer to danger. And it's complicated.
Like there are times where you go, why don't I just assert myself? And it's like sometimes it's not that simple. Women will understand those moments where you stroke the ego or you actually are like so fucking nice in situations that you're so uncomfortable in because in your head you're like the only way I'm getting out of the situation is to be so appeasing and so nice and work it and then all of a sudden I know I'll be able to get out at some point but to a normal person that's never been in that situation or isn't a woman is like we why don't they just like scream and run that's right and you're like first of all if I tried to scream and run I'm dead bitch so fuck you okay like clearly we're not that dumb um I think that was like something very interesting in the movie obviously I talked to you earlier before we got out here about like that parking lot scene just like struck me because I think every woman anytime you were in a dark area and you are walking anywhere your senses go up where you're like what the fuck is gonna happen to me what the fuck is gonna happen to me am I gonna die am I gonna get murdered um how do you think this movie like what do you think it says about how women are preyed upon in society yeah I mean well first of all I just want to say like it's so interesting you use the word like your senses go up because even the way that um like that scene was kind of the first scene that I could like visualize um and I imagined it in kind of mediums and close-ups and then when that thing happens where we've all been there where you're like an interaction is perfectly pleasant and then 10 seconds later you're like wait 10 seconds ago everything felt fine and now like something feels very fucking dangerous it almost is like your entire like your hearing your peripheral vision is just like okay where do I see movement where do I hear movement how unsafe am I and so that's when like the camera goes jumps wide because it's like oh that's when you would be aware of like oh this parking lot is empty like there's not a maintenance man there's not a passing couple like all I can hear is the buzz of the streetlights and it really is like in those moments in your own mind you're like oh I can almost hear like the ringing in my own ears because like there's nothing fuck there's nothing that is so interesting stylistically like you having the decision making around the camera angles and how different not that like we love men and we love male directors but I'm just like so curious to know like how a man would have directed that scene where you're directing it like so in the presence of your own body and how you would feel in that moment.
Man, and there were times when people were talking about like when we were on set, people were talking about me as like, oh, I'm so glad a woman's directing this. And there were times where I was like, is it making that much of a difference? I can't really tell.
And then there were like, you know, there were, there were a bunch of examples like this, but there was a, there's a moment where like the girl in the New York city apartment, when she kind of realizes like, oh, something's wrong. I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong.
And she doesn't even drop her smile and you can just sort of see it in her eyes and when we were shooting that one of my producers was like should we just do another take where it's just more clear what's happening and I was like it will be very clear to women what's happening like I think it will be clear to most men but I was also like if there's like 20% of men who are like I don't understand what's happening in this scene fine right that's okay that would be fine I would much rather like actually be like no this is how you would handle this like you wouldn't let on at all no um so yeah it was like oh I wasn't really sure how um like being a woman director would really show up in the movie but then yeah there were a bunch of things like that where I was like oh no that's not even what the scene's about like what no I love it so much and I I think again the themes are so important for people in society to just like grasp onto and understand and I think this is like a very accurate depiction obviously heightened like we're not all not like dealing with like a murderer um serial killer you know there are so many stories that I hear where I mean even your story where you're like why did I why didn't I just whatever it's like you did what you had to do are you kidding I know you're kidding it's just so weird daddy gang we're talking about the Paris episode the Paris story if you haven't listened go listen but like yes that story I remember being so even anxious to tell the story online at first because I was like, oh, God. Everyone's just going to say like, well, girl, what were you thinking? Like, why'd you get on a plane? Like, why'd you go? And I'm like, because I thought that he was a normal, nice man.
Like, I think that's what we all go into it. Like, unless you are burned so deeply from a young age, which is horrific, And you have your, those like guards up from a

young age, you go through life for a while until you hit a point where you are fucked over in a way that like will stay with you for the rest of your life. And we wish that wouldn't happen to us, but when it happens, you can't unsee it.
But before it happens, you're trusting people. You're like, I want to trust people.
I want to have a good time with someone like isn't it interesting that we're so easily uh in induced to go like well what were you thinking what like trusting someone thinking thinking other people are good but then by the way if you're like oh I'm kind of cagey about dating and stuff right now it's like well you gotta open yourself up you're like all right maybe oh oh oh oh this is a setup this is a trap oh I see I see there's no

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Post jobs today. Talk to qualified candidates tomorrow are you dating are you single what's going on no no I'm I'm I'm single but it is funny I was like I was thinking the other day I've been single for a while and uh and I was like oh god I'm this is very me I'm very avoidant and I I have all these kind of like little traps in my head or like escape hatches or whatever.
And I think like for a long time now, I've been like, oh, nope, no prospects. Meanwhile, I'm like, you know, every time your phone buzzes, it's someone being like, oh, I know this guy who writes on this great.
He's on that show. That's so great that everybody loves.
And he like really wants he like really wants to meet you so just let me know and like just put it back down and go no prospects for old Anna poor poor Anna nobody wants me like it's like such a game that I'm playing with myself where I'm like oh I'm not wanting to go there so I just like don't see what's happening like people like people going like I'd love to take you out for a meal and me going like oh he wants to be buddies but like that's not even a euphemism that's just like how people ask you on dates and it's just amazing the way that I'm like oh no one for poor Hannah it's so pathetic you're just not in the mood yeah I'm basically well and also like I made this movie about like the most dangerous violent man so there might be some bleed over there no I think it's I love when people are like no I'm not dating I think like we can normalize that when people are like you're not seeing anyone I hate those friends that are like come on it's like first of all shut up I'll do it when I want to but clearly like yes you went through something with someone and you made this movie and now it's like you're gonna get back out there there when you want to get back out there. Is there anything that's like a non-negotiable for you in a relationship? Oh, well, in spite of my not great experience with couples therapy, I was like, first of all, I'm never getting involved with a man.
Meaning like we're not even kissing. We're not like I'm not even we're not even going to like have a real conversation unless you are in or have been in therapy.
And if we're actually like, oh, OK, maybe this is a relationship. We're getting a couple of therapists from jump from jump.
And like, by the way, that guarantees nothing like even that. But yeah, I I love that.
A man that's in therapy. I know.

It warms my heart. It's a good sign.
And it is not a guarantee of anything. You're right.
It's not a guarantee, but at least it's like a little bit more like it's a little bit more in the right direction. Completely.
Because a man that's like, I would never fucking go to therapy. I'm like, what's wrong with you? You're the one that has the most fucking trauma.
Totally. Like not a good sign.
And can I say, I mean, even the kind of going back to the red flag thing that like, I'm aware that, you know, I love that there is a bit of a community and women wanting to share like, Ooh, this turned out to be a red flag. And like, you know, we should know those things and know that like, it doesn't necessarily protect us to look out for those things.
Um, but I was like, I was thinking about how, you know, a classic one is like any guy that says like, oh, all my exes are crazy. That's a red flag.
I was like, you know, all of these guys have access to the same internet and the same culture that we do. So I don't think that they're rocking up to first dates and going, oh, all my exes are crazy fucking bitches.
They're like, it was a messy situation. It was, you know, and I've been burned.
And look, I probably contributed in some ways, too. But I'm like, I think as we're learning it, they are, too.
Not to be like, oh, they're like. And I don't even think they're doing it on purpose.
No, you're right. It's just happening subconsciously.

No, like those little fuckers are fully learning off of this episode being like, don't say this, do this.

No, you're right.

You're right. They're taking notes.

Like they're not idiots.

You're right.

I had a guy tell me about an ex where he was doing, like it was almost like he was getting me to collude with him by being like, no, she was a great person.

But then would tell me things about her that would make me go, that's not okay. That's awful.
And he would sort of be like, oh, wow, really? Do you think it was? And then it was all bullshit. It was all full-on fabricated crazy.
But it is like, oh, they're learning. They're like velociraptors.
My God. Okay.
So on a first date, what do you want to be doing on a first date are you going to a dinner are you doing a coffee are you doing a fucking zoom meeting oh my god what are we doing what's your ideal first date uh I know I'm like is there a way to just like have it like at my house in my pajamas I mean like you have to look nice and I will be like recording it for the authorities so don't try anything but yeah I am like what leave the house dinner Alex that's disgusting why would you say that you'll do a FaceTime date but go to a movie what oh my god your movie how iconic yes kind of iconic um okay last two questions what is your best quality that you think you bring to a relationship oh god um oh um sometimes uh when I feel like I've seen like memes and stuff online about like the girlfriend that will be like this isn't what he ordered you know how like some men are are like oh that's well this isn't um but that's okay and I'll just eat, I'm very much like the bodyguard. Like, I think I'm compensating for how short I am.
I'm always like, wait, wait, now hang on a second. Which is weird because I'm the person where if the wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it.
But when it's somebody else, and it's the same thing with friends, where I'm like, where are they? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Who said that to you? No, no, no, no, where are they? I just want to I just want to talk no no no I just want to talk like I go I really talk crazy to people it's it's a lot but I don't know I like that about myself I kind of love that I don't know if you find that it's way easier for me when it's somebody else of course and then to stick up for yourself you're like oh no no no no never never but to someone else I'm like oh I got you bitch I'm coming in full swinging like let's go no I'm like they're already dead I don't we don't even have to worry about it I slept through her throat last night it's fine that's a good friend to have this is good to know about you Brittany's lucky but you're also lucky with Brittany um last question what do you think is like the biggest misconception about you oh god I don't know I don't know I mean sometimes okay sometimes I know if this counts as, like, a misconception.
But sometimes I truly don't realize how dry I'm being. I have, like, such nervous kid sister energy around, like, real, like, comics.
And so I'll try to, like, be funny. Like, even if someone's just funny, like, I'll be like, oh, yeah, I have to, like, keep up.
and I'll try to like be funny. Like even if someone's just funny, like I'll be like, oh yeah, I have to like keep up.
And I'll go so dry that I think sometimes I don't realize it comes off like I'm being dead serious. I saw a video of my, I saw a TikTok of myself once.
I was at this party and this guy like, you know, just got me to do like a video with him. And I was joking that he told me that he'd been like filming me from across the party.
It was fine. It was fine, whatever.
But I was like, oh, we're doing a bit about how like, oh, you were secretly filming me, motherfucker. Like, so, OK, we're doing, like, I'm like, yeah, we're doing a bit.
And then I see the TikTok because it like went viral. And I was like, oh my God, it seems like I'm, it seems like I'm, it seems like I'm ready to kill this man.
Which like, look, mostly am I ready to kill men at any given moment? A little. But I was like, I'm being so funny.
And then I saw it back and I was like, oh my God. And all the comments were like, wait, is she being serious?

And I was like, I don't know.

Am I being serious?

My God.

And it really, I'd never like seen just a video of me doing a bit that wasn't like coming across as a bit.

So I was like, oh my God, how many times?

How many times?

Because this is like the tone that I snap into when there's like a comedy director or something like where I was like oh wow there have got to be so many situations where they're like I don't know I thought we were getting along fine and then she just snapped she like went like dead-eyed on me or something meanwhile I'm like I'm being so funny it's going great okay like I'm nailing it Anna you're nailing it and that is the end of the episode and that concludes today's session ladies and gentlemen um Anna thank you so much for coming

on Call Her Daddy this was so fun you're amazing thank you so much for everything thank you thank

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