Reneé Rapp: At Least I'm Hot

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Join Alex in the studio for a conversation with Reneé Rapp. Reneé gushes about her girlfriend, shits on straight men and sends some wild texts to celebrities. Enjoy!

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Product availability varies by region. app for details what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy renee rap welcome back to call her daddy thank you it has been 582 days since you last sat with me on this show is it actually i had someone else do the math so like oh my god but i think it's important to highlight no i believe it 582 days since i last saw you right i know i haven't seen you since then that's so inappropriate i just i just watch you through the internet me too i'm just like go girl go no i'm like you're getting married so am i i'm like this is awesome i was getting I was getting married while you were going through a breakup, maybe.
Yeah, no, needed that. Perfect.
Needed, needed. I'm like, things are going to work out, right? Nope.
How would you describe that version of yourself back then in three words? Oh, my God. I was so eager.
I was so eager. I was so, um, I really, really, really wanted every, okay, this is not three words.
I really wanted everyone to like me so badly. Um, and I also was just, I think I was just so green.
I was so green. I was, I just like, was like, I think what people people had perceived of me like not caring or not giving a fuck was actually just me being so absolutely thrilled.
And I was like, ah, everything is amazing. This is awesome.
And then like reality kind of sets in and you're like, wait, this shit kind of sucks. You're like, wait, life kind of hits you in the ass.
Dude, it's crazy even hearing you say that because I remember our interview. Like, I felt your excitement, but I also could feel you understandably going through that hard moment where you're like, I want to be taken seriously as a singer.
But everyone knows me as a fucking actress. Yes.
And like, how do I bridge this gap? And so it was like this energy that you were trying to shift which is fucking hard to do so hard and also like I I think there's a which you will understand this 100% there's such an adjustment to what a pick me thing to say but there's such an adjustment to like having cameras on on you in your conversations and in your like personal life in a way it just like it just inherently is an adjustment like um you don't because you i don't know i mean i don't know you tell me how you feel about this but i was like i am truly just doing what i would be doing and talking how i would be talking except for being filmed or doing something or putting it out there putting it in a song putting it in whatever and then to like see it back is really kind of confusing because then you start to perceive yourself in a way that like other people perceive you however you'll never be able to see yourself how other people see you I you know I relate 100 because this isn't natural right we're gonna talk differently understandably if we're at my fucking house with no cameras on completely not that we're being fake it's just different no i'm just like i'm getting canceled if we're talking without cameras on do you know what i'm saying 100 how much media training have you gotten since i last saw you oh none i feel like i feel like people have tried i feel like it's it's you know i had i will never forget when i live in my first house that i lived in in la i lived in burbank and i was like oh my god i have like a home i was i was renting but it was like a it felt like my home which like it is but i'd only lived in an apartment. So I was like, oh my God, I have like a home.
I was renting, but it was like a, it felt like my home, which like it is, but I'd only lived in an apartment. So I was like, oh my God, I'm like a homeowner.
And I was, and I was like, I was sat on the phone with like a publicist from maybe the PR company I was working with at the time. I honestly don't remember.
And I remember like understanding that they were trying to kind of coach me into like what to say and what not to say. And it was kind of like the second I realized it, I like totally just like tapped out.
And I was like, oh, I'm really uninterested in hearing this. Not that they were doing anything wrong or their intentions were wrong i was just like i'm not gonna regurgitate what you just said to me but i feel like that's like a lot of times the turning point for artists which is not their fault but you get all these people in your ear and then you're like oh is this what it takes to make it like is this the steps i need to take in order to be liked in order to become like one of the biggest stars in the world? And the fact that that moment, probably one of the biggest first moments where people were trying to shape you into this person, you're like, no, I don't know.
I was just like, wait, like, I understand, but that's not what I will be doing. But I think that's why people are loving you because you're very unfiltered.
You talk about how you like dress kind of according to how gay you're feeling. Correct.
Talk to me about how you pick this outfit. Today, this outfit is coming from probably like a six and a half, I would say, on a scale of zero to gay.
And I don't know. I like, I really, recently I've been wearing heels.
I used to never wear heels and now I love a heel. Now I'm like, give me some fucking height.
I don't know. I like I really recently I've been wearing heels.

I used to never wear heels.

And now I love a heel.

Now I'm like, give me some fucking height.

I don't know.

We get an email and your team is like, we have like 10 plus people we're going to bring.

Right.

Classic Renee entourage.

Of course.

When and where is last time you went somewhere alone?

Okay.

I was.

You have to go here alone.

Okay.

Well, I didn't go alone.

I don't know. okay i was you have to go here alone okay well i didn't go alone i rode in the car with people but then i had to go alone where the last thing was the academy gala and i was so fucking freaked out because i was like i am literally going to split myself vagina to tip of head.
I was this is gonna be so terrible but I made it and I was like stood like in the like carpet line and everybody of course is like chit-chatting and I was like oh my god I'm just gonna end it all right now this is just the worst and then I just spent the whole time on the phone because I was way too anxious and I got nervous you know I think people perceive me as being very confident and hanging out and like can talk to anybody literally not at all I'm like shaking like a whore in church and that's the last time you ever went anywhere alone ever again yeah Regina George died no and that's when Regina George died I like I it's so it's like it was the only thing I could talk about for the first like fucking 45 minutes being inside like i swear to god i like every single person that i saw i was like oh my god like how are you i had to come here by myself and they're like yeah so did i and i was like whoa you okay and they're like yeah like it's definitely weird but like i'm okay they're like it's like an hour ago at this point and i was like yeah no totally i'm over it you get home you're sobbing no i'm like having a fucking panic attack shaking no amount of a beta blocker could have prepared me for that nothing okay do you remember who you brought to the studio two years ago i brought i brought i brought a girlfriend of mine two years ago and when i was thinking about it yeah i'm pretty sure there was like you were not publicly out fully yet with her and people saw her in the back of some of our videos we took together yes and it was like a light soft launch where people were like wait it's definitely her with her like oh my gosh they're definitely together yes they yes and it was so crazy because like seeing you basically two years later that moment i remember how like giddy in love you were sorry is your girlfriend like in the green room no she's she's she's second we're getting to you she's got a sprained ankle at home perfect she's immobile actually i hid her crutches so she won't be leaving the house you're like you are not leaving sit down especially you're not coming to call her daddy yeah like hang on i remember you were like giddy and in love and it was like the beginning stages absolutely puppy love it

was very cute absolutely talk to me about what happened i ended up after that kind of year of my life just being like I am really unhappy and i think that first of all i do believe everything serves its purpose yeah i like fully believe every relationship every friendship every like i'm a big like everything happens for a reason all good i think that there were like a lot of people in my life, particularly in that year. And I think also kind of when you're like coming up and starting to like, be, you know, perceived by larger amounts of people do more things that it, you know, is exciting, your job can kind of become you will understand this deeply, your job becomes a playground to everybody else.
And for you, it's your work. And don't get me wrong.
There are parts of it that are so fucking exciting. And we're so fortunate to work in something that can be like so jokes and so fucking fun.
But my whole life kind of became a playground for a lot of people. And I stopped seeing my friends.
I stopped I stopped having fun I stopped having fun and I was like damn I have to make like a lot of like massive life changes and so fall of almost fall of 2023 like really late summer I started to like I crashed out and i was like yo i have to be boundaried in some way in my life like i have to start protecting myself from being used i have to start protecting myself from um like overexposing myself i have to stop like letting people bring their friends aunts best friends like side

fucking bitch to the concert like why am i doing that like i i i was just like damn like i've i just realized that i became a jungle gym for everybody to have fun and that is so isolating and sad it sucked it sucked so bad and did you break up with them or did they break up with you it was like pretty amicable it was pretty amicable so is this not the relationship that you wrote about in this new album miss renee it is but it's on certain only on certain songs this album is like a conglomerate of my current relationship my past relationship the relationship that i was in before that that i don't even know if you could consider a relationship about um like some of my friends it's like i was actually we were talking about this the other day and i was like going through it and i was like wow like there are so many different people

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oh my god wait thank you bowl don't go in the bowl don't touch them okay you're already about start going i was like wait no no no you're like is that candy no i'm like it's my fish bowl okay so if you say no i don't want to answer that you then have to go into the bowls and you're going to text someone one you're going to find out who you're texting okay the second bowl you're going find out what you're texting them okay what is your weirdest kink ice what ice ice like ice are you running to the kitchen grabbing ice fuck yeah perfect absolutely who is the rudest person you've ever met at an award show oh my god i'm gonna text oh i just remembered okay who do i text wait go to your fishbowl okay what is that okay it's tina f I'm going to text. Oh, I just remembered.
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It's Tina Fey. I have to text Tina.
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She's actually going to love this. I know she's going to love this.
I know she'll love it. Okay.
I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and I just drove off. Do you think it's fine? I think that's good for Tina, right? Love.
I feel like she'll love that. I'm going to say, hey babe, question.
I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and I just drove off. Do you think it's fine? I think that's good for Tina, right?

Love.

I feel like she'll love that.

I'm going to say, hey, babe, question.

I hit someone on my way to call her daddy and just drove off.

Do you think it's fine?

Or what do you think I should do?

I trust you.

She's going to be like, what's your problem?

Perfect.

Okay, so we'll leave that there for Tina.

Okay, next question. Okay.
What is the worst thought that you've ever had during sex oh my god why are you ugly you know when you get too close to someone's face and you're realizing that you're so uninterested and you're like whoa you just got ugly i was thinking like the my answer is probably like

i don't want to be here of course naturally naturally i mean i spent years of my life

having sex with men so that is not foreign to me um or like why do you have that like what is that

get nothing away from me literally get that if that looks me in the fucking eye one more time

i'm going to shoot you which celebrity has tried to flirt with you that was clearly in a relationship okay i'm gonna text about fucking face okay all right this is cara i have to text cara something wait that's so funny okay okay i have to text cara by the way a new song on my album is about you dot dot dot and i was okay she'll love this okay this is gonna be so hilarious because my last text to cara was i literally hate being alive i'm so mad all the time and so sad i hate being around people are you doing okay i feel so depressed did she answer she sent me a slew oh i thought she left it on red i was like imagine she's like fuck you bitch no she sent me a slew of the most like inspirational best texts this bitch is like my sister so but i haven't responded to those because she sent them since i got here wait so you sent you sent these yeah today yeah of course not doing well i just won't be responding to all of the the beauty nothing and wisdom that my dear friend has just texted me i'm saying by the way a new song on my album is about you i'm gonna put a winky face she's gonna freak out right she's gonna be like do you not care about everything supportive i just texted you she's like i love you i'm here for you she's like do you still want to die you're like no no we're like no no i'm alive now i'm alive now i'm alive now okay okay perfect okay next have you ever made a sex tape yes what has been your biggest crash out two days ago or this morning this morning tomorrow really all the time all the time i'm constantly in the state of crashing out which older celebrities have made you hate old people she's gonna text oh i'm gonna text because i don't want you bitches coming for me because i don't like y'all so i don't want to hear from you okay one more text and then we're moving on oh wait cara did text me oh bro she's so cute she said in all caps what which one liar she's like wait what's going on tell me oh my god wait now she's probably gonna be like so sad wait oh my god how do i say there's not a song about her oh my god okay i have to call her after this because she's gonna be like you fucking bitch yeah wait that's so sad i thought it was gonna more like scare someone because obviously the album is about like fuck you vibes but she's thinking you're like writing like a ballad to her that's like gorgeous and lovely like you're saying how much you love her and now you have to actually do the harder thing and be like no there's no fucking song what's it called okay who are you texting yeah let's see oh kasha okay i can text now that's a down-ass bitch i can text her something and she'll get it okay bro i accidentally said your name during sex last night i'm overthinking this what do you think it means okay so she'll love it she'll be like girl you're a free you're a free spirit i accidentally said your name during sex last night what does this mean i'm overthinking it yeah perfect okay done wait car hello i have to know is it mean is it sexy is it fun oh my god she's spiraling she's like literally what is it about bitch she's spiraling okay what what literally the love of my life tina said hmm i would say stop and just be regular and exchange insurance but how far are you away now tina faye i love you thoughtful thoughtful so thoughtful literally thoughtful wait that's so fucking sweet that that is so thoughtful that's like the best fucking response someone because she didn't implicate herself she's saying to do the right thing but then also being a homie like but how far are you she's so responsible okay close your phone and when you get a notification from one of those people you have to read us the answer okay perfect um okay let's talk about your girlfriend toa yes sorry you're at home with your crutches i know poor thing but let's talk about her um what first attracted you to each other well we were friends for a really long time and i i think like what made me want to be her friend to be honest was she's such a talented musician and there's something about a musician that like i am just so i like your brain works in a way that i understand and i it is musicians are always also so like deep like tortured people that i'm like we gotta be friends we gotta be friends like we have to know each other like we have to know each other so i i and honestly i just like i really admired her a lot like i was like she is so smart and just like really naturally good like you see like a natural talent and you just kind of know so i really wanted her i i just like kind of wanted to be in her space and in her orbit.

Who made the first move?

She would deny this and say that it was me.

But?

But I feel like it was her.

Why?

Because, actually, no, no, no, no.

Okay, thinking back, I think in her defense, I'm pretty sure we kind of both decided with each other um we definitely did we definitely did not even just kind of we started to like relax around each other actually like we started to relax around each other like i was i think also because she's really talented and really cool just to be honest she was always so intimidating to me and once i kind of started to relax oh no no who tina she said oh my god i love her so much what did she say she said when you say someone you mean a car right she thinks you hit a person she thinks i had a person she thinks i

had a small family of five so we respond we need to respond to like relax her just say i just had

to send that it's a joke on call her daddy we love you oh my god everyone is alive first of all i'm so sorry this is such a joke i'm doing call her daddy and i I'm not okay. I'm a fishbowl.

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Last time we spoke, you told me, quote, I have dated so many people in the same fucking font. If you went through the roster of 2021, they're all siblings.

Yes.

Does Toa fit the mold? No. Really? No.
Wait, visually? Visually, personality. All of it.
Everything. No.
You switched up. Not to be so insufferably in love, but she is really one of one.
There is truly, I've never met another person like her. I don't another person like her exists like in every sense of the word she is like physically so singular like she's the most beautiful thing in the whole wide world she's like so stunning and it's just objective like we always say like we're always like she's not like you can be you can be gay you can be straight you can be a big burly like cis man everybody thinks she's hot because she's objectively really fine she's everybody's type so like she's got her own thing there as a person she is not at all like anyone i've ever dated she's like so secure and loving and supportive and wants nothing from me except to like love me and be with me um and has been so like thoughtful about that uh which i really really appreciate and i think she also appreciates too and she understands because like she's an artist so she gets it but um yeah she's just like she's just so yeah she's so one of one I think everybody else that I've dated has been really um I don't know if the people that I've dated have actually liked me or if they've just like been with me like for fun because it like feels good and it's exciting again like a jungle gym like everything is like a fucking play day to everybody here no she's like i couldn't give a i couldn't give less of a fuck about what you do with all due respect being with her has just made me realize how unsupportive the rest of my relationships were.

I mean, you can even just tell how calm you are.

You can just tell you're very at ease with her.

Beyond.

There's no one I would rather be around or spend my time with.

You guys moved in together.

How did you know you were ready for that?

We were spending so much time together anyway that we were like why do we pay for two separate places like this is so silly like why are we wasting money and also i i don't know there's something about like in like gay relationships it feels very like um like roommate-y almost and i was like dude like you got to be my roommate like what are we on about like this is like we have to do this okay we do you have a psa for any lesbians listening of like knowing when is the right time to move in with your partner bitch i've had people move in with me against my will so i am not i am not the one to give advice because i don't even i can't even i can't even control oh my god i can't even control it yeah is it like oh my fucking god i'd be like hey can i please like can i have a moment of space would that be all right and it would be met with like you don't want to be around me so you hate me that's really fucked up like you just like did it i'd be like wait but like this is my house can you please like can i actually sleep in my own bed please and then you start looking around and all of their stuff has already moved in you're like wait when did we have the conversation you were moving in how did this happen how literally how that this happened but toa and i we we like waited a minute to move in like over a year to move in with each other because there's a seriousness with which we both took our relationship from the jump and then on i think because we both knew immediately that we were really going to try and put our best foot forward and be like the best partner for each other because we both really wanted it to work. So I think in taking the time to decide to move in with each other, it actually allowed us to like grow closer because we were so secure in ourselves and in our own decisions that we were able to then do it together because like don't get me wrong sometimes rushing into things is the way and sometimes it works like sometimes it works and sometimes you know and you know and you run free but i had just been in a situation where i was like yo i like i i have no life my life is lost i I I can't even fucking like wear the outfits I want to wear like I need I'm scared so I also didn't trust my judgment I was like I don't I don't know but I wanted it to work with her desperately because I was so in love with her so I I think we just like took every precaution dude that's amazing though yeah the fact that you now are able to be like we live together it's going amazing and i did the opposite of everything i've done in previous relationships i took it so fucking slow that by the time we moved in together we're like duh yeah we were like it's about fucking time we're like why are we paying for two places like this is kind of outrageous i'm like we're like camping between like cribs i'm like this is so stupid bro but also it was i think it was like i think it was important i think it was important um random pivot yeah sure can we talk about some straight men why why oh do you have any straight male friends yeah i got i could i definitely have some and i could count them on one hand you're like on one finger actually i'm like i fuck with my dad no i have a few okay um i feel like this is the year for a lot of women of like de-centering men from our lives which is probably a really good thing right crazy i want to hear your opinion on just like a few go let's start with

like a basic easy layup how do you feel about brad pitt um i okay i'm envisioning something in my mind and i need to make sure that this is brad pitt before i start talking because if it's not then i'm not sure renee hang on you're lying to my face right now stop i gotta look it up i I just need to make sure.

I just watched a movie.

Yes!

Oh, my God.

This is him.

Okay.

Brad Pitt. lying to my face right now stop i gotta look it up i need i just need to make sure i just watched

a movie yes oh my god this is him okay brad pitt love here's why i love him in oceans 11 because i

love his style it's really nice i like want that closet he also always has a toothpick like spoken

like a true dyke i'm like he looks so fine in that movie i just watched it with tea for the first

Thank you. closet he also always has a toothpick like spoken like a true dyke i'm like he looks so fine in that movie i just watched it with t for the first time she was like you gotta get into like some boy movies i was like no i don't and then she showed me that i was like this is kind of nice i think he looks really good in that movie so i like him he is objectively gorgeous that's about all i know but i really like what i've seen okay um the cheating ceo from the coldplay concert i don't really understand that whole fiasco because i don't really think that's on my side of the internet like i've definitely heard i've heard rumor he brought a woman at his company right to a coldplay concert who is not his wife and that's how they were on the video every time uh chris martin the cold play man sings one of these songs yellow something whatever of course look at the stars yeah i know him okay great you know him so then they put a camera on a really cute looking couple he's holding her at the waist that's why okay swaying back and forth yeah they get caught they physically jump to the ground and hide then it's found out that he has a full wife kids was fully cheating took his mistress to the cold play concert how do we feel about this man um not loving dare i say hating let's get one thing straight that's fucking crazy yo everybody makes mistakes but that's insane when you oh my god when you have a family no you're a piece of shit i can't and he wrote an apology and in the apology at the end he basically kind of like blames cold play like a public apology yeah he wrote a public apology oh my god you're not the pope what are you doing wait he made like a notes app apology he's like an influencer who got canceled for saying a slur what are we doing is this real i didn't know about obama um really really good looking guy right to bag michelle obama hey yo to bag michelle obama you got to be doing something right travis kelsey um i'm not sure okay i definitely know who that is because of taylor swift right thank you um elon musk oh my god literally rollover i'm so sorry rollover rollover and i know y'all are checking the internet now and you're checking people's phones when they go through customs and you're doing all that bullshit rollover rollover get fucked all y'all it's embarrassing it's embarrassing it is so fucking embarrassing you are despicable despicable it makes me so livid everyone who is in power is such a fucking joke have you seen people who drive teslas and they have the sticker on the back one yesterday where they're like i bought this i promised before i saw one yesterday and i loved it i know my sister-in-law has it i like rolled house yesterday.
I was like queen. Saw it and loved it.
Okay. You recently said that sex is amazing for you right now.
Yeah. Tell us the daddy gang.
Like what could we be doing better? I don't take SSRIs anymore. I don't take SSRIs anymore.
For me personally, I was like, I'm good on it. I don't think that I want that at that point in my life um that helped and also i stopped taking birth control because that shit is poison um let's transition to a different type of sex sex size of college girls right we made it sex um okay explain to me yes what happened why did you depart it was just so fun you're like who texted me

i like it was so fun it was awesome what was the final straw come on it was just so fun it was just so fun did you sign an nda i've signed many I have signed mini bro

Genuinely I have signed mini

How did people take it on the show when you announced that you were leaving? Fine. They were like, get out, bitch.
Fine. Yeah, like, I think totally fine.
They were ready for you to go. I think that...
Sometimes you just know. Sometimes you just know.
Also, nothing on a set is ever a secret. At least it's really hard to do that.
Also, I was the last one finding out about things. So I don't really think anybody cared, to be honest.
I'm sure somebody did, but I don't care. The lyric in your new song says, quote, I took my sex life with me.
Now the show ain't fucking. Did anyone try to stop you from putting that lyric in the song? No.
Okay, so I love everyone around you. God forbid I use wordplay.
God forbid a girl uses wordplay i look similar to all the bullshit like what am i

like i what am i to do if not like make music that is genuinely reflective of my life it i it just it

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Okay. There is, this is an archetype in musical theater okay that disrupts me to my core and they're always flipping or they always have a trick they can always do an aerial or something and they're not talented but they can flip and so i get deeply disturbed when men do splits or anything acrobatic now because i'm like this is taking me back to a place that i worked really hard to escape from so benson is the exception benson can listen he's not the reason for the trauma no my god no listen he can flip he can flip all he wants what straight behavior should be illegal all of it okay you're stuck in a group therapy session sure with your most recent ex, your hometown homophobe, and your childhood bully.
Who do you make cry first? I'm like totally going for my childhood bully. That one's been like waiting a long time coming.
That one's been a long time. Actually, wait, I take it back.
I kind of forgive her of forgive her really i don't know the childhood thing is difficult because i am a full believer that kids are assholes and kids are not only like going through so much shift but also like hate themselves at the same time as like trying to figure out who they are so i do i do have i do have some like grace there so maybe i wouldn't make my childhood bully cry because i i would get it a little bit i'd be like it's okay all good people can change i don't know i might hit a three-peat i might get them like all at once i might be like y'all all fucking busted ugly not talented boring just do do do yeah take them all out all out at once i love that for you

yeah closure right exactly exactly what is the most lesbian thing about you i genuinely think

the most lesbian thing about me is it's so funny i think like my toa said this to me the other day

she was like you are so fucking gay she's like you are so much gayer than i am and i was like

Thank you. like my toa said this to me the other day she was like you are so fucking gay she's like you are so much gayer than i am and i was like excuse me i was like what are you talking about look at you i was like are we dead ass right now and she was like no no you are so much gayer than i am and i was like why and she was like you are so deeply deeply deeply repulsed by dick.
It is insane. And it's true.
I, like, can't even. It makes me.
It makes my stomach turn. It makes me sick to my stomach.
I don't understand it. I can't get behind it.
I don't like the shape. I don't like the fact that it's um i'm not i i hate it it makes me like deeply upset and like sick to my stomach are you aware of something called dorking no yeah don't be well you might be fine with this it's oh my god i'm like getting like viscerally sick thinking about it it's like it's like where like people with like dicks like oh they like twerk with their they like dance basically i just found out about it and i was like you all are fucking repulsive you have to stop that right now i feel assaulted just by hearing it just by hearing they're swinging their wieners around hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate i like can't do it and there's like i think like when you're like so like gay or so like lesbian you can like make jokes about it and it's like hee hee hee i'm like no literally not at all it makes me sick to my stomach i've like just warmed up to it to where i like can hear it but i think that's the most lesbian thing about me is it makes me viscerally upset like i there's like a deep it's like a guttural it's really yeah it's coming up i'm like literally stop it right now we're moving on let's talk about your music oh sure how did you feel with the internet internet harassing you that you weren't coming out with music fast enough uh it's nice it's nice i think it's really to be honest for me it was like it was really actually

quite affirming to know that people care because I live in my head pretty much 24 7 like I was texting Cara earlier and I was like I'm literally so depressed I can't like do anything I don't want to move um i live in my head all the time so seeing that fans of mine like were like a super funny about asking for new music and also really like endearing i was like honestly i gotta be real like that feels so nice to hear and were you ever feeling pressured like fuck i need to hurry up and write and get stuff out or no you were like it's coming yes but not by them not by them why at all just like i think like people a lot of people i work with were like okay let's like put something out and i was like fuck okay i have to i have to i have to and then i was like wait own free will just remembered i have it no not going to wait and how long did you spend writing this album almost two years two years so during this whole hiatus you've been like slowly working on this so it wasn't like a one week you banged it out and then you're like okay put it up no oh my god it was a it was a long process and frankly I would have taken so much longer if everybody hadn't been like hey about, about that time. How are you doing? But I, again, I live in my head 24-7.
So I would sit and ruminate on songs for the next 10 years if you let me. Yeah.
You know? What lyric from this album were you the most conflicted about putting out? Well, the general answer is like all of them. Yeah.
Because there's like a when i'm like writing them i love writing very personally and like very how i feel because that's what it's meant to be right and then months later down the line i start to get like oh my god like i have to release like every single like good bad amazing embarrassing part about me that i've put on this album out into the world and and just let everyone have it and hope that they will receive it with open arms understanding and like see me as a full person um and i think that's where it starts to get a bit scary if I think about it too much.

What is one song that was possibly not going to make it on?

We almost didn't.

Well, Wouldn't You?

We'd like that Wouldn't You is the last song that I was like, okay, we can put this on the album.

But I feel like that was good because it concluded it almost.

That's kind of the conclusion that we came to.

We wrote that song when I was really really really stressed and i was on a trip in nashville writing and also i think like like wouldn't you like the like the cheeky line about like i would never cheat again i that was another one where like writing it i was like oh my god this feels so good to like get all of this shit out i feel so like relieved to be able to like poke fun at something so horrible that happened to me and make light of it and something that i did at one point that i'm not proud of like i was like this feels so fucking good to get out and then like months later i was like oh my god like what if it isn't received in the right way oh my god like i can't like i don't know if i want to put that much of my personal life out there i don't know what i did and ultimately what i always come back to is just like no one knows every intimate detail of my life that is how it should be that is okay I made something that i am really proud of and as a songwriter and an artist i want to make things that are who i am holistically as a person so anytime i start to like tweak out about something or get worried about like putting a line on i'm like yeah but like this is my this is what i do and this is my job and this is what i love and this is also how i like expressing myself and also i poke fun at bullshit i do all the time yeah so like i'm gonna also do that in music because that's that just it is what it is do you ever give x's a heads up that they will be talked about no i don't talk to them okay no what is toa's favorite song on the album i'm calling her hi sweetie hey can i ask you a question um what is your favorite song on my album and why is it everything but also if you had to pick one specific song what would you say that it is okay she said it's either that's so funny or at least i'm hot good good choices sweets good choices okay i love you oh or shy okay she loves the whole thing okay she loves

god forbid god forbid she has taste i love you okay bye bye what songs are you most excited to perform for your fans i'm really excited to perform shy i think shy is so oh god that's just like i'm like such a sucker for like a really nice hook and a good chord progression okay but gone i know you know how i feel about you with like you're singing like last time when you sang for us i was like crying because your your voice renee you could strip every single fucking instrument out and you your voice i could my jaws to the floor every fucking time so when i heard gone i was like there she is there she is no it's truly like thank you for giving us this piece of work and thank you for sitting down with me again and we need to do it again in two fucking years thanks dude i know we do it every two years every two years it's like a little tradition we'll see where where you're at next Love Maybe in two years You'll come out with another album

Probably

Fuck

It'll take you a little longer

Maybe next time

God damn it

Shorter

I don't know

I don't know bro

Maybe

Dude thank you

Thanks man

You're amazing

Thanks for having me

Love you

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