Reneé Rapp: At Least I'm Hot

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Speaker 1 What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Speaker 2 Renee Rapp, welcome back to Call Her Daddy. Thank you.

Speaker 1 It has been 582 days since you last sat with me on this show. Has it actually? I had someone else do the math.
So, like, oh my God.

Speaker 2 But it is important to highlight. No, I believe it.

Speaker 1 582 days since I last saw you, right?

Speaker 2 I know. I haven't seen you since then.

Speaker 1 That's so inappropriate.

Speaker 2 I just watch you through the internet.

Speaker 1 Me too. I'm just like, go, girl, go.

Speaker 2 No, I'm like, you're getting married. So am I.
I'm like, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 I was getting married while you were going through a breakup. Maybe.

Speaker 2 Yeah, no, you needed that.

Speaker 2 Needed, needed.

Speaker 2 Things are going to work out, right?

Speaker 2 Nope.

Speaker 1 How would you describe that version of yourself back then in three words?

Speaker 2 Oh my God. I was so eager.

Speaker 2 I was so eager. I was so,

Speaker 2 I really, really, really wanted every, okay, this is not three words. I really wanted everyone to like me so badly.

Speaker 2 And I also was just, I think I was just so green.

Speaker 2 I was so green.

Speaker 2 It was, I just like, was like, I think what people had perceived of me like not caring or not giving a fuck was actually just me being so absolutely thrilled.

Speaker 2 And I was like, ah, everything is amazing. This is awesome.
And then like reality kind of sets in. You're like, wait, this shit kind of sucks.
You're like, wait, life kind of hits you in the ass.

Speaker 1 Dude, it's crazy even hearing you say that because I remember our interview. Like,

Speaker 1 I felt your excitement, but I also could feel you understandably going through that hard moment where you're like, I want to be taken seriously as a singer, but everyone knows me as a fucking actress.

Speaker 1 Yes. And like, how do I bridge this gap? And so it was like this energy that you were trying to shift, which is fucking hard to do.

Speaker 2 So hard. And also, like, I

Speaker 2 think there's a, which you will understand this 100%. There's such an adjustment to

Speaker 2 what a pick-me thing to say, but there's such an adjustment to, like, having cameras on, on you in your conversations and in your, like, personal life in a way.

Speaker 2 It just, like, it just inherently is an adjustment. Like, um,

Speaker 2 you don't.

Speaker 2 Because you, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 You tell me how you feel about this, but I was like, I am truly just doing what I would be doing and talking how I would be talking, except for being filmed or doing something or putting it out there, putting it in a song, putting it in whatever.

Speaker 2 And then to like see it back is really kind of confusing. Cause then you start to perceive yourself in a way that like other people perceive you.

Speaker 2 However, you'll never be able to see yourself how other people see you.

Speaker 1 I, you know, I relate 100%.

Speaker 2 Because this isn't natural. Right.

Speaker 1 We're going to talk differently understandably if we're at my fucking house with no cameras on. Completely.
Not that we're being fake. It's just different.

Speaker 2 No, I'm just like, I'm getting canceled if we're talking without cameras on. Do you know what I'm saying? 100%.

Speaker 1 How much media training have you gotten since I last saw you?

Speaker 2 Bro, none.

Speaker 2 I feel like people have tried. I feel like it's, it's, you know, I had.

Speaker 2 I will never forget when I lived in my first house that I lived in in LA.

Speaker 2 I lived in Burbank and I was like, oh my God, I have like a home. I was, I was renting, but it was like a, it felt like my home, which like it is, but I'd only lived in an apartment.

Speaker 2 So I was like, oh my God, I'm like a homeowner. And I was.
And I was like, I was sat on the phone with like a

Speaker 2 publicist from.

Speaker 2 Maybe the PR company I was working with at the time. I honestly don't remember.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I remember like understanding that they were trying to kind of coach me into like what to say and what not to say. And

Speaker 2 it was kind of like the second I realized it, I like totally just like tapped out. And I was like, oh, I'm really uninterested in hearing this.

Speaker 2 Not that they were doing anything wrong or their intentions were wrong. I was just like,

Speaker 2 I'm not going to regurgitate what you just said to me.

Speaker 1 But I feel like that's like a lot of times the turning point for artists, which is not their fault. But you get all these people in your ear and then you're like, oh, is this what it takes to make it?

Speaker 1 Like, is this the steps I need to take in order to be liked and in order to become like one of the biggest stars in the world?

Speaker 1 And the fact that that moment, probably one of the biggest first moments where people were trying to shape you into this, the person you're like, no, I don't know.

Speaker 2 I was just like, wait, like,

Speaker 2 I.

Speaker 2 I understand, but that's not what I will be doing.

Speaker 1 But I think that's why people are loving you because you're very unfiltered. You talk about how you like dress kind of according to how gay you're feeling.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 1 Talk to me about how you picked this outfit.

Speaker 2 Um, today,

Speaker 2 this outfit is coming from probably like a six and a half, I would say, on a scale of zero to gay.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I don't know. I like, I really recently've been wearing heels.
I used to never wear heels and now I love a heel. Now I'm like, give me some fucking height.

Speaker 1 I don't know. We get an email and your team is like, we have like 10 plus people we're going to bring.
Right. Classic, Renee, Entourage.

Speaker 2 Of course.

Speaker 1 When and where is last time you went somewhere alone?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 I was,

Speaker 2 you have to go here alone. Okay.

Speaker 2 Well, I didn't go alone. I rode in the car with people, but then I had to go alone.
Where? The last thing was the Academy Gala.

Speaker 2 And I was so fucking freaked out because I was like, I am literally going to split myself vagina to tip of head. I was like, this is going to be so terrible.
But I made it.

Speaker 2 And I was like stood like in the like carpet line. And everybody, of course, is like chit-chatting.
And I was like, oh my God, I'm just going to end it all right now. This is just the worst.

Speaker 2 And then I just spent the whole time on the phone because I was way too anxious. And I got nervous.

Speaker 2 You know, I think people perceive me as being very confident and hanging out and like can talk to anybody. Literally, not at all.
I'm like shaking like a whore in church.

Speaker 1 And that's the last time you ever went anywhere alone ever again.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 1 That's when Regina George died.

Speaker 2 No, and that's when Regina George died. I like, I, it's so,

Speaker 2 it's like, it was the only thing I could talk about for the first like fucking 45 minutes being inside. Like, I swear to God, I, like, every single person that I saw, I was like,

Speaker 2 oh my God, like, how are you? I had to come here by myself. And they're like, yeah, so did I.
And I was like, woo, you okay? And they're like, yeah, like, it's definitely weird, but like, I'm okay.

Speaker 2 They're like, it's like an hour ago at this point. And I was like, yeah, no, totally.
I'm over it.

Speaker 1 You get home, you're sobbing.

Speaker 2 No, I'm like having a fucking panic attack. Shaking.
No amount of a beta blocker could have prepared me for that. Nothing.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Do you remember who you brought to the studio two years ago?

Speaker 2 I brought, I brought, I brought a girlfriend of mine two years ago.

Speaker 1 And when I was thinking about it, I'm pretty sure there was like, you were not publicly out fully yet with her. And people saw her in the back of some of our videos we took together.
Yes.

Speaker 1 And it was like a light, soft launch where people were like, wait, it's definitely her with her. Like, oh my gosh, they're definitely together.

Speaker 2 Yes. Yes.

Speaker 1 And it was so crazy because like seeing you basically two years later, that moment, I remember how like.

Speaker 1 Giddy in love you were. Sorry.
Is your girlfriend like in the green room?

Speaker 2 No, she's she's

Speaker 1 second we're getting to you.

Speaker 2 She's got a sprained ankle at home. Perfect.
She's a mobile, actually. I hit her crutches, so she won't be leaving the house.

Speaker 1 You're like, you are not leaving. Sit down, especially you're not coming to call her daddy.

Speaker 2 So hang on.

Speaker 1 I remember you were like giddy and in love and it was like the beginning stages. Absolutely.
Puppy love. It was very cute.
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 Talk to me about what happened. I

Speaker 2 ended up after that kind of year of my life, just being like, I am

Speaker 2 really

Speaker 2 unhappy.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think that, first of all, I do believe that everything serves its purpose. I like fully believe every relationship, every friendship, every

Speaker 2 like I'm a big like everything happens for a reason. All good.
I think that there were like a lot of people in my life, particularly in that year.

Speaker 2 And I think also kind of when you're like coming up and starting to like be,

Speaker 2 you know, perceived by larger amounts of people, do more things that it, you know, is exciting, your job can kind of become, you will understand this deeply, your job becomes a playground to everybody else.

Speaker 2 And for you, it's your work. And don't get me wrong, there are parts of it that are so fucking exciting.
And we're so fortunate to work in something that can be like so jokes and so fucking fun.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 my whole life kind of became a playground for a lot of people. And I stopped seeing my friends.
I stopped,

Speaker 2 I stopped having fun. I stopped having fun.
And I was like, damn.

Speaker 2 I have to make like a lot of like massive life changes. And so fall of

Speaker 2 almost fall of 2023, like really late summer, I started to like, I crashed out. And I was like, yo,

Speaker 2 I have to be boundaried in some way in my life. Like, I have to start protecting myself from being used.
I have to start protecting myself from

Speaker 2 like overexposing myself. I have to stop like letting people bring their friends, aunts, best friends, like side fucking bitch to the concert.
Like, why am I doing that? Like,

Speaker 2 I was just like, damn, like, I've, I just realized that I became a jungle gym for everybody to have fun. And that is so

Speaker 2 isolating and sad.

Speaker 2 It sucked.

Speaker 1 It sucked so bad. And

Speaker 1 did you break up with them or did they break up with you?

Speaker 2 It was like pretty amicable. It was pretty amicable.

Speaker 1 So is this not the relationship that you wrote about in this new album, Miss Renee?

Speaker 2 It is, but it's on certain only on certain songs. This album is like a conglomerate of my current relationship, my past relationship, the relationship that I was in before that.

Speaker 2 That I don't even know if you could consider a relationship about

Speaker 2 like some of my friends. It's like, I was actually, we were talking about this the other day, and I was like going through it, and I was like, wow, like there are

Speaker 2 so many different people or I guess experiences on this album that are even like half and half put together in some songs. No matter how like shit that relationship was,

Speaker 2 I remember just being like, damn,

Speaker 2 that's a place I never want to get to again.

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Speaker 2 Totally fine.

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Thank you, bowl. Don't go in the bowl.
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Speaker 2 No, I'm like, it's my fish bowl. Okay.

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Speaker 2 Ice. What? Ice.

Speaker 1 Ice.

Speaker 2 Like ice.

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Speaker 2 Fuck yeah. Perfect.
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Speaker 1 Who is the rudest person you've ever met at an award show?

Speaker 2 Oh my God. I'm going to text.
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Speaker 2 What is that? Okay, it's Tina Faye. I have to text Tina.
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Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 i hit someone on my way to call her daddy and i just drove off do you think it's fine i think that's good for tina right love i feel like she'll love that i'm gonna say hey babe question i hit someone on my way to call her daddy and just drove off do you think it's fine or what do you think i should do i trust you

Speaker 2 she's gonna be like what's your problem

Speaker 1 Perfect. Okay, so we'll leave that there for Tina.
Okay, next question.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 1 What is the worst thought that you have ever had during sex?

Speaker 2 Oh my God, why are you ugly?

Speaker 2 You know, when you get too close to someone's face and you're realizing that you're so uninterested and you're like, whoa, you just got ugly?

Speaker 1 I was thinking like the my answer is probably like, I don't want to be here.

Speaker 2 Of course. Naturally.

Speaker 2 Naturally. I mean, I spent years of my life having sex with men, so that is not foreign to me.

Speaker 2 Or like, why do you have that? Like, what is that?

Speaker 2 Get that meeting.

Speaker 2 Literally, get that. If that looks me in the fucking eye one more time, I'm going to shoot you.

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Speaker 2 Okay, I'm going to text.

Speaker 1 That bugging face.

Speaker 2 I'm going to text. I'm going to text.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 All right. This is Cara.
I have to text Cara something.

Speaker 2 Wait, that's so funny. Okay.
Okay. I have to text Cara.
By the way, a new song on my album is about you. Dot, dot, dot.
And I was, okay, she'll love this.

Speaker 2 Okay, this is going to be so hilarious because my last text to Cara was, I literally hate being alive. I'm so mad all the time and so sad.
I hate being around people. Are you doing okay?

Speaker 2 I feel so depressed.

Speaker 1 Did she answer?

Speaker 2 She sent me a slew of. Oh, I thought she left you in red.
I was like,

Speaker 2 imagine. She's like, fuck you, bitch.
No, she sent me a slew of the most like. Inspirational best texts.
This bitch is like my sister.

Speaker 2 So I, but I haven't responded to those because she sent them since I got here.

Speaker 1 Wait, so you sent, you sent these today?

Speaker 2 Yeah, of course. Not doing well.
I just won't be responding to all of the beauty

Speaker 2 and wisdom that my dear friend has just texted me. I'm saying, by the way, a new song on my album is about you.
I'm going to put a winky face. She's going to freak out, right?

Speaker 2 She's going to be like, Do you not care about everything supportive? I just texted you. She's like, I love you.
I'm here for you.

Speaker 1 She's like, do you still want to die? And you're like, no, no, we're both.

Speaker 2 I'm like, no, no, no, I'm alive now. I'm alive now.
I'm alive now. Okay.

Speaker 1 Okay, perfect. Okay, next.
Have you ever made a sex tape?

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 What has been your biggest crash out?

Speaker 2 Two days ago.

Speaker 1 Or this morning.

Speaker 2 This morning. Tomorrow, really.
All the time. All the time.

Speaker 2 I'm constantly in a state of crashing out.

Speaker 1 Which older celebrities have made you hate old people?

Speaker 1 She's going to text.

Speaker 2 Oh, I'm going to text because I don't want you bitches coming for me. Cause I don't like y'all, so I don't want to hear from you.

Speaker 2 Okay, one more text and then we're moving on oh wait cara did text me oh bro she's so cute she said in all caps what which one liar she's like wait what's going on tell me oh my god wait now she's probably gonna be like so sad wait oh my god how do i say there's not a song about her

Speaker 2 oh my okay i have to call her after this because she's gonna be like you

Speaker 1 yeah wait wait that's so sad

Speaker 1 i thought it was gonna more like scare someone because obviously the album is about like fuck you vibes

Speaker 1 but she's thinking you're like writing like a ballad to her that's like gorgeous and lovely and like you're saying how much you love her and now you have to actually do the harder thing and be like no my god there's no fucking song what's it called okay who are you texting yeah let's see

Speaker 2 kesha okay i can text now that's a down-ass bitch i can text her something and she'll get it

Speaker 2 bro i accidentally said your name during sex last night i'm overthinking this what do you think it means okay

Speaker 2 so she'll love it she'll be like girl you're a free you're a free spirit

Speaker 2 I accidentally said your name during sex last night. What does this mean? I'm overthinking it.
Yeah, perfect. Okay, done.
Wait, Cara said, hello. I have to know.
Is it mean? Is it sexy? Is it fun?

Speaker 2 Oh my God.

Speaker 1 She's spiraling.

Speaker 2 She's like, literally, what is it about, bitch?

Speaker 1 She's spiraling.

Speaker 2 Okay, what?

Speaker 2 What? Literally the love of my life. Tina's at, hmm.
I would say stop and just be regular and exchange insurance. But how far are you away now?

Speaker 2 Tina Faye, I love you. Thoughtful.
Thoughtful.

Speaker 1 So thoughtful.

Speaker 2 Literally thoughtful.

Speaker 1 Wait, that's so fucking sweet.

Speaker 2 That is so thoughtful.

Speaker 1 That's like the best fucking response someone, because she didn't implicate herself. She's saying to do the right thing, but then also being a homie, like, but how far are you?

Speaker 2 She's so responsible.

Speaker 1 Okay, close your phone. And then when you get a notification from one of those people, you have to read us the answer.

Speaker 2 Okay, perfect.

Speaker 2 Okay, let's talk about your girlfriend, Toa. Yes.

Speaker 1 Sorry, you're at home with your crutches.

Speaker 2 I know, poor thing. But let's talk about her.

Speaker 1 What first attracted you to each other?

Speaker 2 Well, we were friends for a really long time.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I think like what made me want to be her friend, to be honest, was she such a talented musician. And there's something about a musician that, like, I am just so

Speaker 2 like, your brain works in a way that I understand.

Speaker 2 And I, it is, musicians are always also so like deep, like, tortured people that I'm like, we got to be friends. We got to be friends.
Like, we have to know each other.

Speaker 2 Like, we have to know each other. So, I,

Speaker 2 I, and honestly, I just like, I really admired her a lot. Like, I was like, she is

Speaker 2 so

Speaker 2 smart and just like really naturally good. Like, you see, like, a natural talent and you just kind of know.
So, I really wanted her.

Speaker 2 I just like kind of wanted to be in her space and like in her orbit. Who made the first move? She would, she would deny this and say that it was me.

Speaker 2 But, but I feel like it was her. Why? Because

Speaker 2 actually, no, no, no, no. Okay, thinking back, I think in her defense, I'm pretty sure we kind of both

Speaker 2 decided with each other.

Speaker 2 We definitely did.

Speaker 2 We definitely did. Not even just kind of, we started to like relax around each other, actually.
Like, we started to relax around each other.

Speaker 2 Like, I was, I think also because she's really talented and really cool, just to be honest, she was always so intimidating to me.

Speaker 2 And once I kind of started to relax. Oh, no.

Speaker 1 No, who? Tina. She said,

Speaker 2 oh my God, I love her so much. What did she say? She said, when you say someone, you mean a car, right?

Speaker 2 She thinks you hit a person. She thinks I hit a person.
She thinks I hit a small family of five. Should we respond?

Speaker 1 We need to respond to like relax her. Just say, I just had to send that.
It's a joke on caller daddy. We love you.
Oh my God. Everyone is alive.

Speaker 2 First of all, I'm so sorry. This is such a joke.
I'm doing call

Speaker 2 her daddy. And I

Speaker 1 am not okay.

Speaker 2 Okay, fishbowl.

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Speaker 1 you told me, quote, I have dated so many people in the same fucking font. If you went through the roster of 2021, they're all siblings.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 1 Does Toa fit the mold?

Speaker 2 No. Really? No.

Speaker 1 Wait, visually?

Speaker 2 Visually, personality. All of it.
Everything. No.
Like, she's not to be so insufferably in love, but like, she is really one of one.

Speaker 2 There is like truly, I've never met another person like her. I don't think another person like her exists.
Like, in every sense of the word. She is

Speaker 2 like physically so singular. Like, she's the most beautiful thing in the whole wide world.
She's like so stunning. And it's just objective.
Like, we always say, like, we're always like, she's not.

Speaker 2 Like, you can be,

Speaker 2 you can be gay. You can be straight.
You can be a big, burly, like cis man. Everybody thinks she's hot because she's objectively really fine.
She's everybody's type.

Speaker 2 So, like, she's got her own thing there. As a person, she is not at all like anyone I've ever dated.

Speaker 2 She's like so secure and loving and supportive and wants nothing from me except to like love me and be with me.

Speaker 2 Um, and has been so

Speaker 2 like thoughtful about that,

Speaker 2 which I really, really appreciate. and i think she also appreciates too and she understands because like she's an artist so she gets it but um

Speaker 2 yeah she's just like

Speaker 2 she's just so

Speaker 2 yeah she's so one-of-one i think everybody else that i've dated has been really

Speaker 2 um

Speaker 2 i don't know if the people that i've dated have actually liked me or if they've just like

Speaker 2 been with me like for fun because it like feels good and it's exciting again like a a jungle gym like everything is like a fucking

Speaker 2 Play day to everybody.

Speaker 2 No, she's like I couldn't give a I couldn't give less of a fuck about what you do with all due respect being with her has just made me realize how

Speaker 2 Unsupportive the rest of my relationships were I mean you can even just like tell like how calm you are.

Speaker 2 Yeah, you can just tell you're very at ease with her beyond there's like there's truly there's like there's no one I would rather be around or spend my time with.

Speaker 1 You guys moved in together.

Speaker 1 How did you know you were ready for that?

Speaker 2 Like, we were spending so much time together anyway that we were like, why do we pay for two separate places? Like, this is so silly. Like, why are we wasting money? And also, I,

Speaker 2 I don't know, there's something about like in like

Speaker 2 gay relationships, it feels very like um

Speaker 2 like roommate y almost. And I was like, dude, like, you got to be my roommate.
Like, what are we on about? Like, this is like, we have to do this.

Speaker 1 Okay, wait, do you have a PSA for any lesbians listening of like knowing when is the right time to move in with your partner?

Speaker 2 Bitch, I've had people move in with me against my will.

Speaker 2 So I am not,

Speaker 2 I am not the one to give advice because I don't even, I can't even, I can't even control.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. I can't even control it.
Yeah. It's like, oh my fucking God.

Speaker 2 I'd be like, hey, can I please, like, can I have a moment of space? Would that be all right? And it would be met with, like,

Speaker 2 you don't want to be around me. So you hate me.
That's really fucked up. Like, you just like, did it.
I'd be like, wait, but like, this is my house.

Speaker 2 Can you please, like, can I actually sleep in my own bed, please?

Speaker 1 And then you start looking around, and all of their stuff has already moved in. You're like, wait, when did we have the conversation you were moving in?

Speaker 2 How did this happen?

Speaker 2 Literally, how did this happen? But Toa and I, we,

Speaker 2 like waited a minute to move in, like over a year to move in with each other because there's a seriousness with which we both took our relationship from the jump and then on.

Speaker 2 I think because we both knew immediately that we were really going to try and put our best foot forward and be like the best partner for each other because we both really wanted it to work.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 I think in taking

Speaker 2 the

Speaker 2 time to decide to move in with each other, it actually allowed us to like grow closer because we were so secure in ourselves and in our own decisions that we were able to then do it together.

Speaker 2 Because like, don't get me wrong, sometimes rushing into things is the way and sometimes it works. Like sometimes it works and sometimes you know and you know and you run free.

Speaker 2 But I had just been in a situation where I was like, yo, I like I have no life. My life is lost.
I, I,

Speaker 2 I can't can't even fucking like wear the outfits I want to wear. Like, I need, I'm scared.
So I also didn't trust my judgment. I was like, I don't, I don't know.

Speaker 2 But I wanted it to work with her desperately because I was so in love with her.

Speaker 2 So I think we just like took every precaution.

Speaker 1 Dude, that's amazing though. Yeah.
The fact that you now are able to be like, we live together. It's going amazing.
And I did the opposite of everything I've done in previous relationships.

Speaker 1 I took it so fucking slow that by the time we moved in together, we were like, duh. Yeah, we were like

Speaker 2 fucking time. We were like, why are we paying for two pieces? Like, this is kind of outrageous.
I'm like, we're like camping between like cribs. I'm like, this is so stupid, bro.

Speaker 2 But also, it was, I think it was like, I think it was important. I think it was important.

Speaker 2 Random pivot. Yeah, sure.

Speaker 1 Can we talk about some straight men?

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 1 Do you have any straight male friends?

Speaker 2 Yeah, I got, I could,

Speaker 2 I definitely have some and I could count them on one hand.

Speaker 1 You're like on one finger, actually.

Speaker 2 I'm like, I fuck with my dad. Okay.

Speaker 2 No, I have a few.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 I feel like this is the year for a lot of women of like decentering men from our lives, which is probably a really good thing.

Speaker 2 Right. Crazy.

Speaker 1 I want to hear your opinion on just like a few. Go.
Let's start with like a basic, easy layup.

Speaker 1 How do you feel about Brad Pitt?

Speaker 2 Okay, I'm envisioning something in my mind and I need to make sure that this is Brad Pitt before I start talking. Cause if it's not, then I'm not sure.
Renee? Hang on.

Speaker 1 You're lying to my face right now.

Speaker 2 Stop. I got to look it up.
I just need to make sure. I just watched a movie.
Yes. Oh, my God.
This is him. Okay.
Brad Pitt.

Speaker 2 Love. Here's why.

Speaker 2 I love him in Ocean's 11 because I love his style. It's really nice.
I like want that closet. He also always has a toothpick, like spoken like a true dyke.
I'm like, he looks so fine in that movie.

Speaker 2 I just watched it with T for the first time. She was like, you got to get into like some boy movies.
I was like, no, I don't. And then she showed me that.
I was like, this is kind of nice.

Speaker 2 I think he looks really good in that movie. So I like him.

Speaker 1 He is objectively gorgeous.

Speaker 2 That's about all I know, but I really like what I've seen. Okay.

Speaker 1 The cheating CEO from the Cold Play concert.

Speaker 2 I don't really understand that whole fiasco because I don't really think that's on my side of the internet. Like, I've definitely heard, I've heard rumor.

Speaker 1 He brought a woman at his company right to a cold play concert who is not his wife and that's how they were on the video every time uh Chris Martin the cold play man sings one of these songs yellow something whatever

Speaker 1 yeah I know him yeah okay great you know him so then they put a camera on a really cute looking couple he's holding her at the waist that's why swaying back and forth yeah they get caught they physically jump to the ground and hide then it's found out that he has full wife kids was fully cheating took his mistress to the cold play concert How do we feel about this man?

Speaker 2 Um, not loving. Dare I say hating.
Let's get one thing straight. That's fucking crazy.
Yo, everybody makes mistakes, but that's insane. When you, oh my God, when you have a family.

Speaker 2 No, you're a piece of shit.

Speaker 2 And he wrote an apology, Renee.

Speaker 1 And in the apology at the end, he basically kind of like blames Cold Play.

Speaker 2 Like a public apology? Yeah, he wrote a public apology. Oh, my God.
You're not the Pope.

Speaker 1 What are you doing? Wait, he made like a notes app apology?

Speaker 2 He's like an influencer who got canceled for saying a slur. What are we doing? Is this real?

Speaker 2 I didn't know about Obama.

Speaker 2 Really, really good-looking guy. Right? To bag Michelle Obama?

Speaker 1 Hey, yo.

Speaker 2 To bag Michelle Obama?

Speaker 2 You got to be doing something right.

Speaker 1 Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 Okay. I definitely know who that is.

Speaker 1 Because of Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 Elon Musk.

Speaker 2 Oh my God. Literally roll over.
I'm so sorry. Roll over.
Roll over.

Speaker 2 And I know y'all are checking the internet now and you're checking people's phones when they go through customs and you're doing all that bullshit. Roll over.
Roll over. Get fucked.
All y'all.

Speaker 2 It's embarrassing. It's embarrassing.
It is so fucking embarrassing. You are despicable.
Despicable.

Speaker 2 It makes me so livid. Everyone who is in power is such a fucking joke.

Speaker 1 Have you seen people who drive Teslas and they have the sticker on the back? I saw one yesterday where they're like, I bought this, I promised before.

Speaker 2 I saw one yesterday and I loved it.

Speaker 1 I know. My sister-in-law has it.
I like rolled up to her house yesterday. I was like, clean.

Speaker 2 Saw it and loved it.

Speaker 1 Okay. You recently said that sex is amazing for you right now.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tell us the daddy gang. Like what, what could we do, be doing better?

Speaker 2 I don't take SSRIs anymore. I don't take SSRIs anymore.
For me personally, I was like, I'm good on it. I don't think that I want that at that point in my life.

Speaker 2 that helped, and also I stopped taking birth control because that shit is poison.

Speaker 1 Um, let's transition to a different type of sex, sex lies of college girls, right? We made it. Sex.
Um, okay,

Speaker 1 explain to me. Yes.

Speaker 1 What happened? Why did you depart?

Speaker 2 It was just so fun.

Speaker 2 You're like, who texted me? I'm like, it was so fun.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. What was the final straw? Come on.

Speaker 2 It was just so fun.

Speaker 2 It was just so fun. Did you sign an NDA?

Speaker 2 I've signed many.

Speaker 2 I've signed many, bro. How did

Speaker 2 I?

Speaker 2 Genuinely, I have signed many.

Speaker 1 How did people take it on the show when you announced that you were leaving? Fine.

Speaker 2 They were like, get out, bitch. Fine.
Yeah. Like, I think totally fine.
They were ready for you to go. I

Speaker 2 think that

Speaker 2 sometimes you just know. sometimes you just know.
Also, like, nothing's like nothing on a set is ever secret. Like, it's at least it's really hard to do that.

Speaker 2 Like, also, I was the last one finding out about things. So, I think that it's, I think, I don't really think anybody cared, to be honest.
I'm sure somebody did, but I don't care.

Speaker 1 The lyric in your new song says, quote, I took my sex life with me. Now, the show ain't fucking.
Yeah. Did anyone try to stop you from putting that lyric in the song?

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 Okay, so I love everyone around you.

Speaker 2 God forbid I use wordplay. God forbid a girl uses wordplay.
I look similar to all the bullshit. Like, what am I? Like, I,

Speaker 2 what am I to do if not, like, make music that is genuinely reflective of my life?

Speaker 2 It just, it just is.

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Speaker 1 Okay, I'm going to ask you a lot of random questions. So these aren't already random.

Speaker 2 Go, please. And I just want your answers.
Okay, giving.

Speaker 1 What's the most recent things your friends have made fun of you for?

Speaker 2 I said recently to all of my friends that I, I was like, you guys, let's get real. Like, I'm the glue.

Speaker 2 And they were like,

Speaker 2 and they were like, excuse you. And I was like, I know it's bitchy.
I understand it sounds conceited, but I need you guys to all get fucking serious and tell me. Like, let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 i'm the glue like i'm i'm making the plans i'm holding this bitch together and all my friends were like you are so

Speaker 2 fucking crazy that is such an obscene thing to say and i was like just chew on it and then come back to me let me know if you think i'm the glue everyone whether reluctant or not agreed that in a sense i am the glue but i did get clowned for it and because you're making such like a pretty big statement about yourself of course but it's honest but it's honest and i'm not saying i'm i'm God's gift.

Speaker 2 I'm just saying like, you're eye blue. I make a dinner reservation every once in a while.

Speaker 1 And that's huge in a friend of group.

Speaker 2 That's big. That's big.
I'm like, what are we doing? You know, everybody's like, should we do this? Should we do this? I'm like, no, one. Let's go.

Speaker 1 Fuck Mary Kill. Sure.
Ellen DeGeneres. Right.
Rosie O'Donnell. Right.
Jojo Siwa.

Speaker 2 Oh, my God. Okay.
Well, Mary Ellen DeGeneres.

Speaker 2 Mary Ellen DeGeneres. Nemo is my favorite film of all time.
And that is single-handedly one of the best best

Speaker 2 voiceover acting jobs we have seen and maybe will ever see to date. There is truly nothing like it, and we are not talking about it enough.
Mary Ellen in this scenario or any.

Speaker 2 Um,

Speaker 2 who are the other ones?

Speaker 1 Rosie O'Donnell and Jojo Siwa.

Speaker 2 I, for the purpose of this exercise, I would, oh my god, I'll fuck on Rosie O'Donnell.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 Yeah. I think.
Okay.

Speaker 1 So we're killing Jojo.

Speaker 2 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 2 But God bless. God bless.
God bless. God bless.

Speaker 1 Okay,

Speaker 1 what would you do if you were forced to have dinner with a straight white man whose personality revolved around Joe Rogan being his religion?

Speaker 2 I need you to tell me something. Who the fuck is Joe Rogan? Because I saw something

Speaker 2 using, I saw a TikTok using his name today and I was like, what is that? And that was not the first time I'd heard this name, but I'm not sure who that is.

Speaker 2 He's not in Ocean's 11.

Speaker 2 Who is this?

Speaker 1 Have you ever watched Fear Factor?

Speaker 2 No, what's that?

Speaker 1 Um, do you know what the UFC is?

Speaker 2 What is this?

Speaker 2 The UFC, like UFC fights? He's a, he's a, he's a fighter? Well, I don't know.

Speaker 1 He has a podcast.

Speaker 2 He's my height.

Speaker 2 I guess you don't have to be tall to be be a fighter. We're moving on.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 You and Amy Poehler recently bonded over disliking boys who do backflips. Okay, is Benson Boone the exception or is he the reason for the trauma?

Speaker 2 God damn it. Okay, I literally,

Speaker 2 so I

Speaker 2 should mention about this because I was like, I was like, listen, god damn it. I was like, first of all.

Speaker 2 Amy and I's conversation

Speaker 2 obsessed with her. A, there's truly nobody better.
The duo of her and Tina together is one that will go down in history. They are the nicest people alive and so fucking funny.

Speaker 2 This conversation with Amy and I came from somehow, oh, we started talking. Okay, we started talking about SVU, which I know that you just don't even

Speaker 2 get me started on Risk. Don't even fucking talk to me about Rish.

Speaker 1 She walked in here. I

Speaker 2 was freaking out. I was freaking out.
Renee. I thought I was going to literally off myself.

Speaker 1 Imagine Imagine me meeting her. Not Rish.
Shit. Shit myself.

Speaker 2 I was like, oh my God, I watch her every night.

Speaker 1 She is everything. No, she's perfect.
Okay. She's perfect.
So anyway, we're talking about SVU.

Speaker 2 We were talking about SVU. And then we got into how much I love Christopher Maloney.

Speaker 2 And then we started talking about this picture of Christopher Maloney in a split for a men's health spread at one point.

Speaker 2 And I was like, look at this. He's in a split.
I love Christopher Maloney, but I was like, I don't like when guys do splits. And so we started talking about flexible men.

Speaker 2 And I said that the reason for me disliking when

Speaker 2 men do like flips or splits or tricks or little like acrobatic things, it reminds me of the musical theater

Speaker 2 straight boy who is not very talented, but bags every hot bitch in the cast in high school. Okay.
There is, this is an archetype in musical theater

Speaker 2 that disrupts me to my core. And they're always flipping or they always have a trick.
They can always do an aerial or something. And they're not talented, but they can flip.

Speaker 2 And so I get deeply disturbed when men do splits or anything acrobatic now because I'm like, this is taking me back to a place that I worked really hard to escape from.

Speaker 1 So Benson is the exception.

Speaker 2 Benson can flip. Listen, he's not the reason for the trauma.
No, my God. No, listen.
He can flip. He can flip all he wants.

Speaker 1 What straight behavior should be illegal?

Speaker 2 All of it. Okay.

Speaker 1 You're stuck in a group group therapy session

Speaker 1 with your most recent ex,

Speaker 1 your hometown homophobe, and your childhood bully. Who do you make cry first? Oh my God.

Speaker 2 I'm like totally going

Speaker 2 for my childhood bully. That one's been like waiting a long time coming.

Speaker 2 That one's been a long time.

Speaker 2 Actually, wait, I take it back. I kind of forgive her.
Really?

Speaker 2 I don't know.

Speaker 2 The childhood thing is difficult because I am a full believer that

Speaker 2 kids are assholes and kids are

Speaker 2 not only like going through so much shift, but also like hate themselves at the same time as like trying to figure out who they are. So I do, I do have, I do have some like grace there.

Speaker 2 So maybe I wouldn't make my childhood bully cry because I would get it a little bit. I'd be like, it's okay.
All good. People can change.

Speaker 2 I don't know. I might hit a three Pete.
I might get them like all at once. I might be like, y'all, all fucking busted.

Speaker 2 ugly not talented boring just do do do yeah take them all out all out at once i love that for you closure right exactly exactly what is the most lesbian thing about you i genuinely think the most lesbian thing about me is it's so funny i think like my

Speaker 2 toa said this to me the other day she was like you are

Speaker 2 so fucking gay she's like you are so much gayer than i am and i was like excuse me i was like what are you talking about look at you i was like are we dead ass right now and she was like no no no you are so much gayer than i am and i was like why and she was like you are so

Speaker 2 deeply deeply deeply repulsed by dick it is insane and it's true i like can't even it makes me it makes my stomach turn it makes me sick to my stomach i don't understand it i can't get behind it i don't like the

Speaker 2 shape i don't like, I don't like the fact that it's, um,

Speaker 2 I'm not, I hate, I hate it. It makes me like deeply upset and like sick to my stomach.
Are you aware of something called dorking? No. Yeah, don't be.
Well, you might be fine with this.

Speaker 2 It's, oh my God, I'm like getting like viscerally sick thinking about it.

Speaker 2 It's like, it's like where like people with like dicks like, oh, they like twerk with their they like dance basically. I just found out about it and I was like, you all are fucking repulsive.

Speaker 2 You have to stop stop that right now. I feel assaulted just by hearing it.

Speaker 1 Just by hearing it. They're swinging their wieners around.

Speaker 2 Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate. I like can't do it.
And there's like, I think, like, when you're like so like gay or so like lesbian, you can like make jokes about it.

Speaker 2 And it's like, he, he, he, he, he. And I'm like, no, literally not at all.
It makes me sick to my stomach. I've like just warmed up to it to where I like can hear it.

Speaker 2 But I think that's the most lesbian thing about me is it makes me viscerally upset. Like there's like a deep

Speaker 2 gutteral

Speaker 2 coming up. I'm like, literally stop it right now.
We're moving on. Let's talk about your music.
Oh, sure.

Speaker 1 How did you feel with the internet harassing you that you weren't coming out with music fast enough?

Speaker 2 It's nice. It's nice.
I think it's really, to be honest, for me, it was like, it was really actually quite affirming to know that people care because I live in my head pretty much 24-7. seven.

Speaker 2 Like I was texting Cara earlier and I was like, I'm literally so depressed. I can't like do anything.
I don't want to move.

Speaker 2 I live in my head all the time. So

Speaker 2 seeing

Speaker 2 that fans of mine like were like A, super funny about asking for new music and also really like endearing. I was like, honestly.

Speaker 2 I gotta be real. Like that feels so nice to hear.

Speaker 1 And were you ever feeling pressured? Like, fuck, I need to to hurry up and write and get stuff out? Or no? You were like, it's coming.

Speaker 2 Yes, but not by them.

Speaker 2 Not by them. Why, by who? At all.
Just like, I think like people, a lot of people I worked with were like, okay, let's like put something out. And I was like,

Speaker 2 fuck, okay, I have to, I have to, I have to. And then I was like, wait, own free will, just remembered I have it.
No, not going to.

Speaker 1 And how long did you spend writing this album?

Speaker 2 Almost two years.

Speaker 1 Two years. So during this whole hiatus, you've been like slowly working on this.
So it wasn't like a one week you banged it out and then you're like, okay, put it up.

Speaker 2 No. Oh my God.
It was a

Speaker 2 long process. And frankly, I would have taken so much longer if everybody hadn't been like, hey,

Speaker 2 about that time. How you doing? But I, I, again, I live in my head 24-7.
So I would, I would sit and ruminate on songs for the next 10 years if you let me. Yeah.
You know?

Speaker 1 What lyric from this album were you the most conflicted about putting out?

Speaker 2 Well, the general answer is like all of them. Yeah.
Because

Speaker 2 there's like a difference. So when I'm like writing them, I love writing very personally and like very how I feel because that's what it's meant to be.
Right.

Speaker 2 And then months later down the line, I start to get like, oh my God, like I have to release like

Speaker 2 every single like good, bad, amazing, embarrassing.

Speaker 2 part about me that I've put on this album out into the world and and just let everyone have it and hope that they will receive it with open arms, understanding, and like see me as a full person.

Speaker 2 And I think that's where it starts to get a bit scary if I think about it too much.

Speaker 1 What is one song that was possibly not going to make it on?

Speaker 2 We almost didn't. Well, wouldn't you? We'd like that, wouldn't you? Is the last song that I was like, okay, we can put this on the album.

Speaker 1 But I feel like that was good because it like concluded it almost.

Speaker 2 That's kind of the conclusion that we came to.

Speaker 2 I, I just, we, we wrote that song when I was really, really, really stressed and I was on a trip in Nashville writing. And also, I think like,

Speaker 2 like, wouldn't you, like the, like, the cheeky line about like, I would never cheat again.

Speaker 2 I, that was another one where like writing it, I was like, oh my God, this feels so good to like get all of this shit out.

Speaker 2 I feel so like relieved to be able to like poke fun at something so horrible that happened to me and make light of it, and something that I did at one point that I'm not proud of.

Speaker 2 Like, I was like, this feels so fucking good to get out. And then, like, months later, I was like,

Speaker 2 oh my God, like, what if it isn't received in the right way? Oh, my God, like, I can't, like, I don't know if I want to put that much of my personal life out there.

Speaker 2 I don't know what I did, da-da-da-da. And then ultimately, what I always come back to is just like

Speaker 2 no one knows every intimate detail of my life.

Speaker 2 That is how it should be. That is okay.

Speaker 2 I made something that

Speaker 2 I am really proud of. And as a songwriter and an artist, I want to make things that are who I am holistically as a person.

Speaker 2 So anytime I start to like tweak out about something or get worried about like putting a line on, I'm like.

Speaker 2 Yeah, but like this is my, this is what I do. And this is my job.
And this is what I love. And this is also how I like expressing myself.
And also, I poke fun at bullshit I do all the time.

Speaker 2 So like, I'm going to also do that in music because that's,

Speaker 2 that just, it is what it is.

Speaker 1 Do you ever give

Speaker 1 exes a heads up that they will be talked about?

Speaker 2 No, I don't talk to them. Okay.

Speaker 2 No.

Speaker 1 What is Toa's favorite song on the album?

Speaker 2 I'm calling her.

Speaker 2 Hi, sweetie. Hey, can I ask you a question?

Speaker 2 What is your favorite song on my album? And why is it everything? But also, if you had to pick one specific song, what would you say that it is?

Speaker 2 Okay, she said it's either that's so funny or at least I'm hot. Good, good choices, sweets.
Good choices. Okay, I love you.
Oh, or shy. Okay, she loves the whole thing.
Okay.

Speaker 2 She loves the whole thing. God forbid.
God forbid she has taste. I love you.

Speaker 2 Okay, Baba.

Speaker 1 What songs are are you most excited to perform for your fans?

Speaker 2 I'm really excited to perform shy. I think shy is really good.
Oh, God. That's just like

Speaker 2 I'm like such a sucker for like a really nice hook and a good chord progression. Okay, but gone.

Speaker 2 I know.

Speaker 1 You know how I feel about you with like your singing?

Speaker 1 Like last time when you sang for us, I was like crying because your voice, Renai, you could strip every single fucking instrument out and and you, your voice,

Speaker 1 my jaws to the floor every fucking time. So when I heard gone, I was like,

Speaker 1 there she is.

Speaker 1 There she is. No, it's truly like, thank you for giving us this piece of work and thank you for sitting down with me again.
And we need to do it again in two fucking years.

Speaker 2 Thanks, dude. I know we do it every two years.
Every two years.

Speaker 1 It's like a little tradition.

Speaker 2 We'll see where you're at next.

Speaker 1 Maybe in two years you'll come out with another album.

Speaker 2 Probably. Fuck.
It will take you a little longer, maybe. God damn it.
I don't know. I don't know, bro.
Dude, thank you. Thanks, man.
man you're amazing

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