Kathy Hilton: Don’t Push Little Hunky Dory

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What is up, daddy gang?

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Kathy Hilton, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

Oh my God.

I am like honored to be here with you today.

You are iconic.

You are.

Do you know that?

You know that.

Well, I feel like that word's thrown around so much, but it's true.

It's really true.

Did you tell Paris you were coming today?

Yes.

In fact, I was texting with her last night and then she called this morning.

And I said, Do you like her?

She goes, I love her.

Okay.

Do you call your daughters like before you agree to do something and like ask them their opinion, usually or no?

Yes.

I would say yes.

When it comes to, I don't do a lot of podcasts.

I was, I was in Europe when I got the invitation.

And so, do you know Kate Hudson?

Yes.

Cade's one of my best, best friends.

She's the best.

He's like, you are doing this.

Yes.

And then my friend, Mark Mullet, do you know Mark?

No.

He's like, you're doing this.

And he was on the boat.

I love her.

She's great.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

So everyone on the boat is like team caller daddy.

That's good to know.

They loved it.

Thank you guys.

Okay, great.

Okay.

So have you ever gone and done something that Nikki and Paris were like, mom, do not fucking do that.

Why are you doing it?

And you did it anyways.

Yes.

Okay.

The housewives of Beverly Hills.

Oh, really?

They weren't into it?

No.

Really?

No.

But, you know, for the last few years, the press would say, oh, I'm doing it when I wasn't.

And so

I definitely.

thought about it, talked about it with my boys, my husband, and they were like, yeah, what the heck?

Why not do it?

And why did Paris and Nikki not want you to do it?

I just, I don't know.

I think they just wouldn't want me on a show where there's a lot of drama.

Wait, who me?

Drama?

You?

No way.

So now they love it and they enjoy it and they get a kick out of it.

But at first, they were a little nervous.

Okay, between Paris and Nikki, who is more likely to raid your closet?

I would say both.

Now, they both have a bigger shoe than I do and smaller dress size.

But as far as accessories, whatever is there is theirs.

Is there anything in your closet that you are so particular about that you're like, you cannot touch this one thing?

You know what?

I'm really good like that.

Whatever they want to borrow, I'm great.

I'm okay.

I'm like flattered that they like what I have.

Who is more likely to send drama and like gossip in the family group chat?

Probably Nikki.

Love it.

No, I mean, nikki knows what's going on okay more than parents

up with everything within the family not she doesn't gossip about other people who is most likely to call you for mom advice both both both often

not that often okay when they really need it what do you think is like your best trait as a grandmother

We were just with my son,

Baron, and daughter-in-law, Tessa's, the three little ones in Las Vegas.

And just we have a good time together.

The little girl, Vilu, and then Caspy, and they're like, me want to go with you.

I'm going to go up with your room.

So it was cute.

We brought them up there.

Your baby voice is amazing.

I have lots of voices.

Kathy, wait, pull them out.

Be like, hi, I'm Kathy and a couple of your voices.

Okay, I have a laboo boo voice.

What?

I was going to bring you a laboo boo.

No way.

Yes.

But I thought if I dress the laboo boo, I said, should I bring her a laboo boo and I can put some jewelry on it and a little handbag?

She goes, Paris goes, she'll love that.

But I figured if I did that, I'd be another 10 minutes late because I'm running around.

Wait, how do you know about laboo boos?

How did you get into laboo?

Well, I'm a toy collector.

You are?

Wait, what do you collect?

And then we have to go back to your voices.

Dolls, teddy bears, soldiers

i mean everything you could think of how long have you been doing that since i'm little barbies

does your husband is he okay with it or is he like this is bordering on hoarding like what is going on well no because i have a toy like i have a playroom for the children okay but a lot of my things are in it like my doll collections in this doll house that lights up oh my god and i enjoy it so then you got into labooboos so i got into labooboos boos.

I was in the mall in Las Vegas and I see all these people and I'm like, and then they have the bigger ones, which I love that kind of fun pop art.

Okay.

So do you?

Oh, good.

You do.

Okay.

Water.

Water?

Is this real water?

That's real water.

Okay.

That's real water.

Okay, great.

I like this class.

That's real water.

Thank you.

So

there are like so many people in this little store.

And I'm thinking, I can't wait in line.

I've got to get going.

So I took a picture, took a card, took a picture of everything.

And a couple of days later, got home and I left a DM

and I got a call back.

Wait, and when you're getting these labubus and you said you're DMing people, do you often just slide into people's DMs?

Yes.

You do.

So I called him and he called me back like two hours later.

Oh.

And he said, I'm in town and I can come meet with you at your house.

And who is this man again?

With Laboo Boo.

So I'm like, okay.

And so

Rick's like, are you sure?

I mean, what if it's a crazy nut you've got coming into the house?

Whatever, whatever.

So

I then canceled and we thought, you know what, we'll have him at the party and it'll be the daytime.

And they brought all the little accessories, all the little handbags, little glasses, purses, everything.

I'm dying at you just like

sliding into people's DMs, being like, come on over.

And Rick's like, sweetie, you can't just invite random people on Instagram over the major.

You're like, oh, that's kind of fair.

Who's the most random person you've ever DM'd?

Or the most famous?

Yeah, I don't, I mean, it wouldn't necessarily have to be somebody famous.

It's if I want something.

You're going to go for me.

I'm going to get my hands on it.

Okay, Kathy, you kind of are known for pranks, I feel like.

Yes.

Like you're good at these pranks.

Which of your daughters is most likely to engage with you in a prank?

Both.

Paris will

get on the phone, actually.

Nikki's more the cheerleader.

And here, dial this number.

But it's never mean-spirited.

No, it's funny.

It's always, and even though it's fun and it's silly, I always call back within 10 minutes because,

you know.

I don't want them up all night wondering who is this lunatic that called me.

What do you think is personally one of the best pranks that you've ever pulled off?

I would say calling a friend of mine.

And she is a wonderful mother, but she is not the type that's going to remember the teacher's first name or last name or what grade.

So I called up and I said that it was Mrs.

Morton calling.

And we noticed that you were not there at drop off.

We're very, very upset.

You had signed up for pizza day.

And at the beginning of the year, all the parents sign up back to school night.

They sign up for pizza day.

Oh, I'll do this.

They're gang gung-ho.

Gung-ho?

Gung-ho on everything.

But of course, she doesn't write any of it down or put it in her calendar.

So I said, we had...

36, no, we had 18 children here today that went hungry and 36 parents were very upset.

So, I mean, I, and I do this whole thing.

And she's like mortified.

She's completely mortified and

just, you know,

literally losing it.

So are you using your little like fake voices?

Right.

On the other side, you were supposed to show up at the carnival and you'd signed up to do the swing-along and we had your name on it and you never showed up.

And she goes, oh, I didn't realize that.

I said, well if you'd like i'd be happy at drop off today to hang hand out flyers to everybody to let them know that you did go ahead and um uh donate she goes oh no no that's okay no i don't want you to do that i mean just like silly things and then when you call her your friends back eventually and tell them are like they like kathy what the fuck yes that's amazing okay you're also known for that's like a juice with electrolytes oh we love that we love that that's my drink Unwell.

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Kathy, you know what's up.

I'm very into all of this.

Me too.

And I won't mention names, but there's one that we have to stay away from.

So there you go.

Well, I'm really glad that you have Unwell.

Thank you.

Me too.

And so is the world.

Okay.

You're also known for throwing great,

great, great parties.

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Yeah.

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What is a non-negotiable for you when you are hosting one of these big parties?

Like, what do you have to have?

Well, I mean, I have to have,

I don't like making people dress up like, oh, the theme is everybody's a blue party or a pink party, nothing like that.

But I just like to have a reason to have the party.

I like to have activations.

Like we do a health and wellness twice a year, and we get the, you know,

true niogen does, because I do it every week.

We do a drip.

So everybody gets to come and have a drip.

And, you know, massage

and tie this.

And I have

you name it.

I mean, everything you could think of.

The best of the best, the latest, the greatest,

machines for the face.

I want to be friends with you.

Manicures, pedicures,

life coaches.

Oh.

Dogs.

You can adopt a dog.

It's just, and we play folk music.

Oh.

And we've got big blankets out and pillows, and people bring their children, their dogs.

Wow.

It's just a really cool day.

Healthy food.

Handmade soaps, like beautiful things.

And then do these parties ever then turn into like ragers?

Only Christmas.

Okay, Christmas.

Christmas does.

Have you ever had to throw someone out of a party?

No, I just disappear.

Okay.

Because I think that's rude.

And I have enough security there that they're watching everything.

So maybe are you the, you're going to like whisper to them, but then you're going to kind of like leave and then they'll handle it.

Exactly.

Well, they're actually having so much fun.

And they're like, oh, I'll have some scrambled eggs now.

I'll have another glass of channel.

I'll give me a Bellini.

They're there until four in the morning.

Okay, but I've heard that you have a members-only club for certain guests after a party.

You keep people at your house.

I keep, I kidnap them.

You kidnap them.

And it's behind closed doors.

Okay.

It's in the library.

There is a line.

There literally is standing room only.

I have bought like 16 little

stools, like little pull-ups like this.

And it's like, I have like Andy Cohen's, like, I have like

the clubhouse.

Oh.

And then I have the big L sofa and we've got the phones going.

And then we'll call people.

No.

You're prank calling.

Prank calling people, telling stories.

I mean, just lots of fun.

And what does it take to get invited to the after-members-only club?

It's just really close friends that are going to participate.

You know, that have that have some contacts.

Oh, right.

So you're recruiting based on like, you got to give me some of your numbers.

But then it's fun because then everybody in the beginning is like,

and then it's like the karaoke.

Nobody wants to do it.

And then before you know, wait, call this person.

And then it starts rolling.

Call this person, exactly.

Now you got to block my phone number and it's hysterical.

We, that is so fun because I feel like I remember doing star six seven when I was younger in high school with my friends and we would do this, but then I just gave up on it because I don't know.

I guess like I forgot.

I believe that star six nine was invented because of me.

Oh my god.

I'm not kidding you.

You've been doing this for a while.

I've been doing this for a long time.

Did you do it with your sisters when you were younger?

Yes.

Okay, so this has been a part of your life forever.

Yes.

But now do you worry that people are going to catch on to you because you do it so often?

Um, Um, no.

No.

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Okay, let's talk about real housewives.

We got to circle back.

Yep.

You mentioned that your daughters were like, mother, no.

And then you ended up doing it.

What made you want to join?

Because if your daughters are like, mom, don't do it.

But you know what?

It's okay okay for them to do things, but it was during COVID.

I was bored

and Kyle and I had been kind of separated.

And

let me tell you, she works very hard.

It's a lot of work as a housewife.

You are busy filming for four months, then you're doing promotion and press for two months.

Then you're getting ready for the reunion.

I mean, it's a lot.

So it was a fun way to spend time with her.

And also,

you know, it's a great platform to be able to

do a lot of things.

Were you hesitant at all about not having control of people filming you and being on reality TV?

No, because I've been around it so long.

Yeah.

I really have.

So I don't.

You don't even think about like none of the girls even think about the camera being there.

You don't even think about it.

How do you think the show

impacted you and Kyle's relationship by you doing it?

We were like little girls again and having fun and laughing and just, I mean, I pulled some pranks on her.

Yes, you did.

And, you know, the fake martini and getting into bed with her and annoying her because I love to annoy her, get arise out of her.

We just laughed and had a really good time.

And I know, obviously, like, I feel like the world has known just because also of the show that you you guys have had a lot of ups and downs.

Like, how do you, what do you think it took for you guys to get?

I will say that it all gets exaggerated too.

I mean, it really,

I'll read things four hours ago.

Kathy and Kyle are still not getting along.

What?

It's also like sisters.

I feel like I have a sister, so I know how it goes with sisters, and we can fight like no other.

And then, but she's like my person in this world.

She's my best friend.

So it's like, we can, I fight with her like I wouldn't with a friend.

Right.

But then it's my blood.

So I'm always coming back to her.

You know that we never, we never did.

And it's interesting on this last reunion,

I said to the girls on this side, I said, all right, wait a second.

I want to say one thing right now.

And I'm going to whisper to all of you girls, how many times we have had a fight in our lives?

And I went like this:

you know, three.

I said, Kyle, how many times have we had a disagreement?

She said, three.

You can watch it.

So

we're not fighters.

Yeah.

I think one of the major issues that everyone saw was between you and Kyle was really just the tension between your husband and her ex Mauricio.

Do you have any advice for people listening and watching that

have

not the most perfect relationship with their siblings' partner.

I think that got taken out of context a little bit too.

You know, I like Maurice.

I wish him, I wish him the best.

And we had a lot of good times together.

And,

you know, he's the father of my nieces, and I love my nieces.

All of our children are like siblings

and it's really sweet.

Do you think that situation, like, would you want Kyle to get back with Mauricio ever or are you like happy for her now where she's at?

I would want whatever she would, you know, it would make me, of course, it would put a smile on my face.

I, I don't like change.

I like

everybody, you know.

I,

and I don't care how old your children are.

It hurts.

It doesn't matter if they're five or if they're 25.

Do you think you would ever join Real Housewives full-time?

No.

That I've said that and I will.

I couldn't.

Why?

Because I have my husband.

I have my children, my grandchildren.

I have other businesses and I would no way be able to devote the time.

I love the job I have.

I can come in.

I really,

really have a good time with all the girls.

It's like a little girls' club.

It's a lot of drama, though.

You know, when I'm there, I try to make it,

I try to have the parties and the fun.

But are you like that in your normal life?

Like, you don't want to be a part of drama.

No.

But I feel like you'd be good in drama.

Like if someone comes at you.

Let me tell you something.

If Little Hunky Dory gets pushed.

But I don't want to get pushed.

And I try my hardest just to keep the peace

how many times a year do you think you get pushed not that often

and when you get pushed don't push me

i feel like you're someone that's like could be really powerful with her words no i'm joking um i'm really a very sensitive person i'm a pisces oh okay i can cry easily uh both my girls are that way, too.

Oh my God, I'm obsessed with Hunky Dory.

Okay, you obviously don't have a tagline, but let's come up with it right now.

What would your real housewives tagline be?

I may be the hostess with the mostess,

but I don't serve drama.

Boom!

Only

diamonds and caviar.

Or laboo boos.

Wait, that's good.

Right?

Kathy.

That's good.

Okay, maybe you have to be full time for two seconds just so that we can get you spinning and we see you saying that.

I would be spinning and falling in high heels.

You'd look gorgeous doing it.

Okay, I'm going to ask you some Real Housewives Rapid Fire, and you're just going to say whatever comes to your mind.

Okay.

Okay.

Who gives the best advice?

I think I do because I have the most experience.

Okay, who's the most high maintenance?

Well, you know, on reality TV, I don't think you get much of a chance to be high maintenance.

Really?

Yeah.

You're just bringing what's ever in your closet.

I'm bringing whatever fits.

And your fish nets.

And my fishnets.

They look cute, trendy.

Because my, well, Paris wears them.

And I got that from her because I don't want to have orange legs.

Oh, is that what she does?

And you can do this so that you don't have to do the spray tan.

I am really pale.

Me too.

Are you?

But I do the spray tan.

And I get hot.

Me too.

So these breathe.

Wait.

I just bought an eyelet blazer.

I'm waiting to see.

Have you heard of Sheen?

Shein?

S-H-I-E-N?

It's like $22,

but it looks good.

And it's got eyelet.

So I'm thinking I'll breathe in this.

Wait.

I'm going to start crying.

First of all,

what did you say you bought?

An eyelet?

Eyelet.

What is that?

Do you know what eyelet is?

No.

It's like little circle, like it's little, like a flower

out.

And you bought an eyelet blazer from Shein, Kathy Hilton?

You need to call Paris right now.

And we need to call her right now and tell her this.

Do you have your phone?

Oh, yeah.

Let's get the phone.

You know who will have it?

Is that our phone?

Okay.

Call Paris and tell her we're on air.

And you need to tell her what you just told me.

Hello.

Paris.

Hi.

Yeah.

Say hi.

We're recording right now.

You need to listen.

I'm in the middle of the interview with your mother.

And I go, oh, we're talking about something.

And she goes, you know what?

I just, do you, have you ever heard of Sheen or Shein?

And I'm like,

yes.

And she goes, I just bought a blazer from there.

And it's this, what is it?

What is it, Kathy?

It's eyelet.

It's eyelet.

Well, we were talking about, I like these because they have holes.

So the fishnets, Paris, that you got me wearing.

Yeah.

So I don't have orange legs and I can breathe because of the fishnets.

Yes,

and so I bought an islet blazer for $22.

You know what islet is, don't you?

Paris says that's hot.

Okay, we love you, Paris.

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Okay, real housewives: who is the most fun to party with?

Sutton,

Erica.

Dorit's a lot of fun.

Rachel Zoe.

I love Rachel.

She's a great pal.

She's like part of the family.

She's coming on.

So we're going to Sedona tomorrow.

Oh.

So I'm thinking that could be the worst trip.

Okay.

Because it's going to be boiling.

Right.

Are you going to bring your fishnets?

No, I'm not bringing any fishnets.

What are you going to wear?

I don't know.

That I'm really wondering.

How am I going to get around?

We need flowy and we need big hats.

Yes, but then my hat, my head gets hot.

What if you did one of those from Amazon where you clip it so the top of your head is exposed, but you get a little shade?

Oh, a visor.

The girls get very angry when I wear a visor.

The girls, isn't your daughters or the housewife?

My girls.

Oh, they don't like it.

No.

I could see Paris Hilton being like, absolutely don't wear a fucking visor, mom.

And Nikki does that too.

She's just mom, please.

That's so beyond.

But maybe, maybe you need to do that in Sedona.

oh i live in visors you do well i like it because they're tight right here yeah and if you're like

i wear them even all the time because like if i'm by myself i'm shy or whatever

you don't have to make eye contact we're keeping it close yeah

what is a fashion absolutely no for you A fashion no for me would be leggings.

Really?

What about them?

I don't like, I like with a little bit of, I don't like the jeans like that look like they're sprayed on.

I like a tight fit.

The new jeans I'm loving are mousy.

Have you seen mousy?

No.

Vintage?

No.

I think it's the best gene going right now.

Okay.

So we want a little bit off the leg, not spray-painted.

Right.

Okay.

Because it gives a good shape to the leg.

Love that.

Chris Jenner has made some appearances on the show.

Do you think she'd ever join the cast?

I would love it if she did, but I doubt it.

I know.

That would be so iconic.

It would be iconic.

We would have a lot of fun.

Can you explain to me how the Hiltons and the Kardashians initially met and became friends?

Well, Chris and I were friends.

For how long?

Oh, years.

When the girls were little girls.

Oh, okay.

How did you guys meet?

We had done some charity things together.

And so Caitlin and Chris and Rick and I, we we would go on trips together and go to New York and Las Vegas and

you name it and the four of us and a couple other people would hang out go down to the desert really very very close and the kids became close and then they kind of you know at a certain age they go off and do their thing.

So I called Chris one day and I said, Paris is starting this TV show and she needs somebody that can be with her

and organize her.

And I thought it would be a great opportunity for Kim and Paris to have fun together.

But, you know, I know that she'll make sure Paris gets here on time.

And I just wanted Paris to have someone.

So we kind of set up this play date and she said, I love it.

So the girls ran around the world together and had a blast.

Oh, that is like, because now you know, obviously, like, that's what changed everything for everyone.

Like, then it all just became, and then these are, these two women are like the most famous women in the world.

Oh my God.

Um, when I interviewed Nicole Ritchie, she said that she and Paris were obviously inseparable growing up.

Oh my god, so cute.

What was the most chaotic situation those girls ever got you into?

Well, we were in Las Vegas, and Rick gets a call from the police department

that

they had snuck out

and they were in Las Vegas on the strip.

And

so, I mean, Rick was furious.

How did you feel?

I was like, I mean, they were young.

They weren't doing anything wrong.

They were probably like 11, but sneaking out.

They just wanted to go.

And, you know, they went and bought those big straws.

And

I was like, oh, my God.

Or bring, or go into the pet store.

What they would do is they'd have lemonade stands.

We used to have a house in Malibu in the colony, which is a very safe street.

It's off the Pacific Coast Highway.

So they'd make cookies and lemonade and iced tea and whatever.

And they'd make these signs.

And you have to drive very slow in there.

So you have a captive audience.

And they'd run up to people's cars.

And of course, the people stop.

So they made a lot of money.

So they would take their bikes across the highway and go to the pet store, come back with a cat, a dog.

I mean, this is a long time ago.

That's what, like, uh, Nicole literally at one point had like a snake, like a rat, like they had all parrots.

Yes.

Wait, were you wild growing up?

No.

No,

not at all.

Where do you think the girls got it from?

I don't know.

I was not at all.

I'm picturing you when you get these calls because I know eventually.

I mean, I snuck and had a couple cigarettes.

We'd go to Westwood Village, and i remember going in

the uh alley because i used to go to this place called woody's to play pinball okay because i was a pinball wizard oh kathy and i was a show off oh my gosh and you know i'd have my little bike and do little wheelies and oh yeah so i'd rub pickles all over my fingers to get the smell of the cigarette off Did that work?

Okay, see, you were, you had, you had the awareness.

Like, you knew how to get through through, like, okay, I can't have my parents.

From A to C.

Uh-huh.

So,

I never wanted to, like, I just wasn't.

Yeah.

I didn't have it in me to want to.

I had a lot of fun, though.

Obviously, there was so much that went on of you getting calls, wondering where Paris was in moments in the chaos of like her teens and her 20s.

But now that she's a mother,

how has your relationship with her evolved?

I mean, I am so proud of her.

I'm proud of all of my children.

And

she went through a lot and it breaks my heart.

But I have to tell you, I am

literally bursting with pride.

And parents out there, you will get through it.

Every cell in her body of all my children, I am proud of them.

And I love them.

And

they're my everything.

And my grandchildren and my husband feels the same way.

They're our life.

Let's talk about your husband, your relationship.

You guys met when you were 15.

I was 15.

He was 19.

What attracted you to him?

He looked like a blonde surfer.

Where did you meet?

We met through a friend.

And

he was going to school in Denver.

So he'd kind of go back and forth.

You guys got married when you were 20?

19.

19.

Paris at 20.

Oh, my God.

Okay, wait.

How did you know you were ready for marriage?

We had gone on this ski vacation to Lake Tahoe.

And

when it was time to leave and to go back, he was going to go to New York to go work for an investment banking firm.

So we are lying in bed watching the Flintstones.

Okay.

And he looks at me and he goes, you know, we need to pack up and everything.

We'd been there for a while.

And he said, we need to go home and tell, you know, your parents and my parents that we're going to be getting married.

That's how he told me.

What was your reaction?

I just remember driving back in this pickup truck to L.A.

with him.

And he dropped me at my house.

And he said, I'm going to go home and take a shower and then come back and pick you up.

And I remember holding on to him and just like

starting to cry.

I don't want you to leave.

Like not even for a minute.

And it's been what, 45 years of marriage?

Yeah.

How do you think over the 45 years you guys have grown together?

I think it's just,

I don't have one regret.

I don't have one regret.

I really believe that God was,

I really have angels there because it, you know,

coming from a divorced family, I never wanted that.

And I think that the girls really

take that seriously.

You know, they really respected

and they waited.

They wanted to have, find the right person.

Yeah, that's really beautiful.

And my boys as well.

because a lot of their friends

were,

their parents were divorced.

And when I was little, there wasn't as much of that.

And I almost felt shameful.

Like

that might sound strange,

but it bothered me.

I think that's normal.

I think a lot of people, if you come from a divorced family, you're like, I want to do it different.

Or if you have parents that stayed together, then you have the pressure of like, I need to have that too.

Like you're always kind of comparing yourself to what your parents had or didn't have.

So I can see where Nikki and Paris are probably like, oh my God, we're looking up to this beautiful 45-year relationship.

Which is so sweet that they see that.

Yeah.

And that they say that to us.

Do you have any advice for people who are watching that are looking to have a long-lasting relationship?

Like, what does it take to have a long relationship and a marriage?

I think it takes a lot of give and take.

You know, the old cliche, don't ever go to sleep mad.

I think try to spend as much quality time together and to keep the right influences around.

Like you don't want to have a couple around that's fighting or, you know, the guy's watching the football game and, oh, look at the cheerleader.

She's so cute.

Like if that was done with me,

that guy would never be in my house again when I was younger.

I love that.

I love that, Kathy.

Like, I think I think you're right.

I do think it's like sometimes you can look at friends around you and be like oh well at least that's not our relationship but if you're allowing it to seep into you and you're and it becomes it becomes acceptable

and you have to learn to keep it exciting

and a little mystery oh how do we do that

And men don't want to hear a lot of gossip complaining.

You really have to

or your part who what whoever your partner is okay let's talk about the cheesecake factory because what the cheesecake factory oh my god

i've heard that you and your husband have been spotted at the cheesecake factory and you guys kind of love to go on date nights there is that true we will go there once a month Once a month?

Well, every couple months.

Do you have a membership, like a card?

No.

You're like, but can I get one?

They should give me one of those things where you snap it.

Yeah.

Okay.

They don't even give me a piece of cheesecake.

How did this become a like a ghost?

He likes the wings there.

And what do you like?

The buffalo wings.

And I like the meatloaf.

I like the omelette.

And then they have a Monte Cristo on brunch for brunch.

What is a Monte Cristo?

Monte Cristo is a deep-fried, like a croc monsieur.

Oh.

With ham and cheese and like French toast and thin powdered sugar and syrup.

They've got great brunch.

And the best brown bread.

So good.

And my husband loves cheesecake, so we bring our dog.

You do?

Our dogs go to dinner with us everywhere.

And the one dog, there's something about that place.

The dog wants to go over and sit with the people next to us.

And we're on a

on a,

you know, bankette right so the dog will go and put and sit there and put his little head on their lap i love that for your dog that no is that cute i'm like come back here moda um okay on the show you revealed that you don't sext rick but you have some steamy pictures locked in your safety deposit box at the bank yes what is the story behind these pictures He wanted to take those pictures when we were younger and we were in Miami.

And there was a mirror on the ceiling.

So of course, but it's very tasteful.

I got into a very cute little position and you can't, you know, just like

the little side of my butt showing.

And so they're in the bank.

They're in the bank.

Not your house safe.

No, I moved everything out like five, six years ago.

Just in case.

Just what, yeah, why?

Is there any other like interesting things things like that in the box?

No.

No.

Just those photos.

Exactly.

And since they're in the box, do you think Rick ever goes to the bank to look at the pictures?

Are they just there for real?

No, they're, I don't think he's over at the bank.

Okay.

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What is your go-to excuse for getting out of plans?

It's kind of hard to do that.

I don't like saying no.

I know.

So I'll say to my husband, can't Rick, can't you tell them?

And he'll go, no, you have to learn to do that.

I go, we've been married 45 years.

If I haven't learned it by now,

it's so easy because he's blunt.

He is very blunt and he's very easy to say no.

But for me, it's hard.

So I usually don't say no.

And I go.

You go or you use Rick and he'll say no.

Exactly.

Okay, what has been your biggest slip up on social media?

Okay, when I first started,

there was a catastrophe somewhere, a tragedy, and I

put L-O-L

and I meant

love.

I meant something.

I don't remember what.

Lots of love.

Lots of love.

Yeah.

Something like that.

But it was...

Laugh out loud.

But everybody knew.

that it was new to me and I was forgiven.

Can you imagine?

And I, by mistake, put out my phone number and put out a text

on

my

story

or on my page, something like that.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I get these, I get into these mix-ups.

And is it like your daughter's calling you be like, mom?

Yes, they get mad.

I get mad.

I also page them.

You page them?

I used to page them.

And people were very helpful.

They didn't get mad at me.

A few people said, you use this as a,

like it's your answering machine or these are all your insta secretaries or whatever.

But I would page them and I'd say, please, please help me to get Paris or Nikki to call me right away.

And so their phones start blowing up.

Wait, and who are you paging?

The girls, because they're not answering their phone.

And and you're paging people to get the girls to answer their phone?

On Twitter.

On Twitter?

Yes.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, Kathy.

You're on Twitter.

Yes.

That's what you mean by paging.

Yes.

Okay.

And I get all I put at physical little Hiltons.

And there's like millions of little Hiltons.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

So the phones are just blowing up and going off.

You're tweeting.

Yes.

At all the Hiltons.

Right.

Like Paris's fans.

Yes.

Can you get in touch with my daughter?

And have her call me right away.

No.

And when I lived in New York, I used to call the, I figured out, I'd call the New York Post and I'll never forget, I'd say, how do I find out?

So he'd answer city desk.

And it would be 12.30 at night.

I'd say, do you know where Paris Hilton is right now?

But I became friends with him.

He said,

hold on, ma'am.

And I think he began to feel sorry for me.

So he said she just left um

what is it bar eight or yeah yeah what is bungalow eight yeah uh she was seen at 1229

and i believe she just walked into

whatever because they would track him because of the paparazzi oh my gosh so they'd know exactly but how nice that that man

if he's listening yes thank you and i was like thank you so much i'm dying at you tweeting like and you call it paging that's amazing paging paging tweeting same thing same thing same thing okay what is the most embarrassing thing you've done after too many martinis

and i i would say probably inviting people to go and do something or go on a trip or go down to the desert the following like that weekend and then i'm thinking oh my god how am i going to get out of this something like that like you're all excited and it all sounds good.

Do you do that often?

No.

No.

No.

But on your third martini, you're.

Yes.

Hey, you want to go to Palm Springs together?

Right.

Exactly.

You don't even know their last name.

Yeah, exactly.

Okay.

What is a story you've tried to get killed in the media?

Let me tell you something.

What I've learned is

there is not one person

that could say that I've ever played ball with them.

One person.

Because once you start,

I would never want anyone to have that on me.

I actually,

years ago, I met with Richard Johnson.

Who's that?

He was the head guy at page six.

And I said,

my husband and I would like to meet with you.

And we met at our club, doubles, at like four o'clock in the afternoon, the Sherry Netherland.

And he came down.

He was doing his job, whatever.

But I said, this is becoming harassment.

And it's not fair.

One day you'll have children.

And what if this was your daughter?

Because, you know, you would see a story, some little schmuck promoter.

club promoter, and then they tie it to a model, then they tie it to the restaurant, and you'll see five or six names and make up something.

And sometimes the things could be true, and sometimes the good things that they say aren't true.

But it was a daily, it was every single day.

And I said, this feels like stalking.

This has got to stop.

I mean, that's pretty like commendable that you can sit here and be like, I've never, because I know, obviously, in like the heyday of like Paris with paparazzi, like it probably was

easier maybe in someone's mind at some point to be like, can we just pay these people off to stop?

And the fact that you were like, you don't ever want to do that because then they own you.

I came from a place of

person to person.

Like, this is beyond.

Yeah.

This is not fair.

I have three other children.

You know, my husband and I, we're trying to live our life and this is.

Do you feel like it worked?

Like, did he let up a little?

I don't know.

But good for your conversation.

It was almost like living in the Wizard of Oz with the little witch and the broomstick just following you around,

like knowing, like, and coming up with things.

You know, they get calls.

I wish that a source saying,

the source, really?

Well, we need to say who the source is.

I agree with that.

If it's a source, then say the name of the source.

Yeah.

That should be a new rule.

Right?

Let's put that into.

Let's put that into motion.

Yeah.

Let's go.

I'm taking that to Washington.

Let's go.

Okay.

Who is your celebrity hall pass?

What do you mean?

What do you mean?

A hall pass.

What do you mean by that?

Kathy.

A hall pass?

Like a crush?

No.

A hall pass.

If you in

another world

could,

you wouldn't actually, like, it's fun.

Like, oh, who is your hall pass?

Like, who would you sleep with if not your husband?

And not even like that.

Like, who's your guy?

You know what I mean?

Like, who would be your celebrity hall pass?

Okay.

Okay, a crush.

Let's say you're a crush.

Only one.

If I didn't know my husband.

If.

Yeah, your husband doesn't even exist.

And, you know, I was younger.

Yes.

I'm just going to give an initial.

How the fuck am I going to find that out?

Okay, give me an initial.

I'm embarrassed.

Don't be.

B.

Yes.

We sit here for an hour.

Yeah.

Brad Pitt.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

Don't be embarrassed.

Okay, have you ever Irish goodbye your own party to go to bed?

Yes.

How often are you doing that?

If you're having five parties, how many times are you doing that?

Well, during the holidays, I have five or six.

So I

will do it,

you know, when it starts getting really late, because I go up and I change like this when people are still there all dressed up, but I'm, you know, I slide into the members, the library.

You have to come over to the library sometime.

I mean, I'd be honored for the invite.

Wouldn't that be fun?

I promise I'll bring my

bring your Rolodex.

I'll bring my Rolodex.

Bring your phone with you.

I'll bring it.

I'll bring it.

Okay.

Have you ever texted the wrong person something shady about them?

Oh.

Or

said something.

Yes.

And there,

well, it happened to me like yesterday.

No, what happened?

I am

saying that we have to tell this girl to move it along.

And we got to land the plane.

And

I didn't realize because I was getting my hair washed that she was standing right there.

No.

And I love her.

But I'm like, we got to explain to her.

We got to move this along.

We got to land the plane, you know?

Who are you saying that to?

To my hairdresser.

The woman moved.

Right.

Oh, my God.

So I was like, you're like, Patricia.

Then I go, you know, Labine.

And she's like, Labine?

I go, yes, Levine.

Because you're just trying to like, we, and so did you pretend you weren't talking about her?

Yeah, I get into a whole big thing to.

You know, Labine.

Remember Labine?

And she's like, I feel like I've heard that a lot.

And I'm like, yeah.

That's who we're talking about.

Don't you agree?

And she's like, but you just said my name.

You're like, because I saw you standing over me and I wanted you to join the conversation.

Sometimes we will refer to people.

Paris will do the same thing too, like a jewel.

Wait, are you saying like, so that you give them like a code name?

I think the guy is a jewel.

A jewel.

Like, he's not great.

He's not cute okay right so we're calling them a

so you call him what a jewel okay and that's what you call everyone that you are talking about yeah and the girls do too so we and they're friends so we know what we're talking you know they know what i mean but it's code so one person said to me i'll never go so what what do you mean a jewel i go you are a jewel You're a jewel of a person.

I mean, a jewel is there.

Yeah.

I was so embarrassed because I felt like they kind of got it.

Or Paris and Nikki, like if we're somewhere and we're getting a service, right?

They'll go, did you talk to Billy?

Like, did you get the bill?

Oh, interesting.

So you have a Lego.

So people around you will be able to get a business.

And then did you talk to Tipper?

What is

how long will the party, how many people are going to be at the party?

Like, what do you think we should, you know?

What do we, yeah, what do we, you know, we got to make this a little extra special

because they've given us so much time.

How many people do you think should be at the party?

Right.

And

did you talk to William that or Billy?

That means you have cash on you.

You guys have actual code language going on.

Well, because I remember in.

Like, I maybe only have $20 in my purse, or I'd have $100 or something.

So do you, did you talk to Bill?

So then we.

No, I have nothing.

I haven't talked to him at all.

I have nothing for him.

Yeah.

Well, so we have this language that has developed over the years.

Well, on Beverly Hills, I remember the iconic scene where Kyle is sitting there and she's like, Kathy speaks in like halves.

She'll be like, and then they obviously say, because you know what I'm saying.

You know what I'm saying?

And then we were there, obviously.

Well, my feeling is, I think it comes from being on QVC.

I swear to God, every minute is money, every second.

So I am, and so if I do know there's a camera around, I'm talking really quick because also there's seven other girls and I won't get anything.

I won't be able to talk because they're all talking.

Have you ever cried over a bad haircut?

Frizzy hair.

If my hair doesn't look good,

That's not good.

That's not good.

I'm just like so sad.

Are you putting a lot of work into it?

Straightener.

Straightener.

Like, what are you going to do with your hair on this trip tomorrow?

I know.

That's what I'm worried about.

Do you ever go up?

No.

Oh, you know what?

I think I'll throw it up.

I'll wear the visor.

Uh-huh.

Throw it up.

And just throw it up.

Like, you could look cute with a little claw clip.

I live in claw clips.

Okay.

Okay.

And like a little messy, maybe a couple like pieces.

Yes,

damn.

And a cute earring.

And Rachel will put my lashes on for me.

Okay, boom.

So I feel like I'll look a little cute that way.

Uh-huh.

That's so nice to have friends that know how to do that.

I don't know how much of that.

She knows how to do her own makeup.

That's so nice.

So that's it.

Lashes are hard because if you get them wrong,

it looks janky.

Right.

It's like, oh, you look like, you look like you had them on the bus.

The worst.

I'll say, honey, does this look okay?

I feel like it's kind of, he goes, well, it's kind of hanging off on the side.

Just take them off.

You're like, okay, never mind.

Okay, Kathy.

We're at the end.

I want to know to people that maybe like have seen you on TV, but

weren't as familiar with you and maybe got to know you more today, like, what is one thing you want them to really know about you?

Miss Kathy Hilton.

I think I would want to

be remembered or whatever as a kind person, fun.

and,

you know, I try to do the right thing.

And I just,

I want people to be nice,

you know?

Yeah, that's amazing.

You were so fun.

You have a great energy.

Like I can now see this members club get so kooky and fun.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you so much for coming on.

This was fabulous.

Easy, right?

fun.

Yeah.

It wasn't too scary.

And it was like...

Well, I'm not, I mean, I'm not scared because I have nothing to be scared about.

Yeah.

When you think about it, when you get

to the point where I am in my life, I never would have done like any of this.

Like, you're like.

But it's like, you know what?

Have fun.

Why not?

Because I have nothing.

You have no worries.

I have no worries.

I got your comfort pillow.

I got got my little pillow.

Oh, wait.

Yeah.

Give me a sign-off in one of your voices of just like to say daddy gang.

I had so much fun today.

Right.

You have to close.

All right.

I'm going to say that.

I'm going to say two things.

Okay.

And then I'm going to say, Daddy Gang, what?

Just say what their name is, Daddy Gang.

So like, whatever.

Like, thanks for having me on.

I love you guys.

Bye.

Oh, the daddy.

If these are the fans?

Yeah, yeah, these are the fans.

But we need your voice.

Okay.

First, I'm going to tell you.

Okay, close your eyes.

I say this to my husband, but it's my laboo-boo voice.

Okay, I'm closing my eyes.

So close your eyes.

Everyone close your eyes and I'm kind of shy and embarrassed.

Okay.

All right, I'm going to do it into the speaker here.

Hungry.

Did you understand what I said?

We'll do it again.

Me hungry.

Oh, my God.

Did you just say me hungry?

Yes.

Now, one more.

Okay.

Me tired.

And are you doing this to your husband pretending to be?

Be cute.

And are you pretending to be tired?

I'm trying to be cute so that he will take me to a restaurant

or that I'm tired tonight.

And I want to go home.

And you do this and you don't make him close his eyes.

No.

You'll just say it to him.

No, he thinks it's great.

Great.

And do you keep it mostly to one word or would you speak a sentence?

I do sentences.

Okay, give me a sentence.

I'm really like meeting all the daddy gang.

kathy hilton you really are iconic i'm i'm

scared

and hungry

i love it so much kathy i'm obsessed with you thank you for doing this that was i want you to come over to my house okay when should we do it we'll figure it out we'll do a barbecue we'll get paris well because we just got paris and carter and my husband went to school with carter at columbia and they know know each other and Paris and I are friends.

So we said we all have to do something together, but maybe you should host us.

Yes.

We're going to do something.

We're going to do something big.

Kathy, this is just the beginning.

People don't even know what's coming.

They don't?

No, they're going to watch for it now.

So now we've got to follow up on this.

Now we got to follow up.

When is your birthday?

Don't wait.

Don't tell.

Hold on.

You're not going to get it.

All right.

Hold on.

I'm going to say, wait, but don't give me looks or anything.

If I'm wrong, then say you're wrong.

Move ahead.

Okay.

You could be an Aquarius,

but you're not.

You could be

a Pisces, but you're not.

And I'm not.

You could be an Aries,

but you're not.

Hold on.

Strong.

You could be a Taurus.

You're not.

Leo?

Yes.

You know, I was going to say Leo before that, but you're strong, you're generous, but you're not lazy.

I'm not lazy.

Well, I guess the, because Leos can be lazy.

I am not.

Can they?

Oh, I'm not lazy.

Look at the way a lion walks.

Oh, slow.

But they're like this.

And they sit and they watch and they wait and then they get you.

Do I remind you of a lion at all?

No, you remind me of one of the Hilton sisters

god i would love to be one of those yeah you're very generous with a big heart you're so sweet we and you're a what pisces pisces the fancy fish

and the other fish is very shy and hides what yeah there's two fish that's in opposite directions Kathy, we have so much to talk about in the members club.

It's really crazy.

We'll get into a night at the members club.

We will get into a night.

Oh Oh, my God.

And you can bring these.

Oh, my God.

We'll do a podcast from the members.

Yes.

Don't laugh.

Oh, my God.

No, no, you wouldn't want a podcast to go live from the members' club.

What happens in the members' club

stays in the members club?

No.

If we could share things with people

and raise a little money.

Then it's all for a good cause.

It's for a good cause

and a good chuckle.

Boom.

Okay, episode finished.

Daddy Gang, I I hope you enjoyed it.

Daddy Gang, you're, I want to meet you.

I don't know the daddy gang.

Yeah, but you're going to meet them one day.

Kathy Hilton, you are the best.

Thank you for a fabulous time.

I had a lot of fun.

I had a lot of fun.

Okay, good.

It was really cool.

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