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Camila Cabello, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Yes!

I'm so excited.

I am so happy you're here to anyone in the daddy gang that is listening to this and not watching.

The daddy gang.

Daddy Gang, do you want to say hi?

Oh my god, yes.

Hello, daddy gang.

I love the community aspect of it.

Would you consider your sister daddy gang?

Oh, 100%.

Okay, that makes me happy.

My sister is daddy gang for sure.

I love how, can I say your mom walked in here and she's like, don't worry, I'm not going to be listening.

I know, because I could, I could just intuit, like, I could read your energy that you were like, oh, her mom is here.

Like, what do I have in here that's sexual?

I'm like, just close your ears and pretend this isn't happening.

To anyone that's listening, Camilla walked in here and she has platinum blonde hair.

No.

How did you decide to do this?

You know, I felt like I just, I needed a big physical change because I feel like, I don't know, my dark hair has been with me for all of my life.

I feel like it was just like a big part of how the public saw me, the world saw me, how I saw myself.

And I feel like it's just been a year of like

the theme has very much been like play and transformation and changing and being brave.

But I feel like also the music is so different, like the world is so different that

I don't know, for so many reasons, I was like, I feel like a physical change needs to like accompany that.

And then I tried on a few different wigs.

I was going to ask, because I was talking to someone, like, would I ever change my hair color?

I'm like, oh my God, I don't know if I would, but I would do wigs before you just go for it.

I definitely think you need to do wigs because it's such a big change.

But I do feel like everybody should do it.

I mean, not everybody should do it, but it's like a fun, like, I don't know, it brings out a different part of your personality.

It's like, I don't know.

It's kind of like a YOLO.

Like, I don't know, just like, fuck it.

Is it okay if I

take chills?

Oh, take a sip.

Cheers.

Cheers.

Cheers.

Cheers.

Drinking wine.

Okay, everybody.

I need a little bit of wine because we were talking about,

I don't really do stuff like this.

so i definitely was like a little nervous but i'm also i'm really excited for like my fans i feel like they like haven't seen me be a person in a while okay cheers cheers cheers cheers cheers

I'm gonna look over and Camilla's gonna be chugging the entire thing.

Yeah, what?

Wait, slow down.

No.

Yeah, it's 1 p.m.

Yes.

For context, it's one in the afternoon and the sun is out and we're drinking wine.

But honestly,

I haven't drank in a second.

I've been working so much.

I really am like, I feel like I kind of deserve it.

You have had a really busy schedule too.

You told me yesterday.

I was doing meetings with foils in my head.

Like, what are you doing?

We deserve this.

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That's what I get excited about for these type of interviews: that you haven't done something like this in a while.

No, and years, I feel like.

And I think it's important, though, to sometimes like step back.

Like, why do you think you haven't done something in a while?

I think it was just, I needed to kind of protect myself from,

I actually wouldn't even say protect myself.

I think I just, I needed to just be a human being.

I needed to be a person.

I needed to kind of step away from being a public persona and just work on myself from the inside out as opposed to like the outside in.

I mean, I've been in the public eye since I was 15 years old.

So I feel like so much of, especially the first maybe seven or eight years, I was like kind of figuring myself out at the same time as like trying to process and take in what other people thought, even if I'm not necessarily reading it directly, you just kind of subconsciously are trying to figure out what to do with all of that.

So So, I don't know.

I think I needed some time and some space to be like,

who am I?

What's important to me?

What are, not only what are my, my values in that sense, but also like, what are my hobbies?

What do I like to do?

What's my taste in art?

What kind of people do I like hanging out with?

What kind of people do I not like hanging out with?

And I feel like that's kind of the journey I've been on for the past few years.

And it's been really, like, it's been really nice and

healthy for me.

I feel like I really kind of needed to do that

yeah let's talk about you growing up for a second okay growing up you're like cheers cheers again my god to exploring childhood

we're gonna go through all the eras yeah the or the origin myth okay born in cuba yeah

You move to Miami when you're like seven.

Yeah.

It's so funny because I always say six or seven.

My mom is like, you have to like pick an age.

Right.

Like, which was it?

Yeah, I'm like, I moved when I was six or seven.

And when I was six or seven, it's like, I don't want to say that.

So, six or seven.

Yeah.

Camilla moves to Miami.

Can you tell me, like, how did your parents explain to you that you were moving?

My mom told me we were going to Disney World.

Oh.

As immigrant parents do.

They lie to protect us.

I love my mom so much.

She's not watching, so I don't have to worry about hurting her feelings

on that one.

Hi, mom.

Hey, mom.

But yeah, she said, she told me we were going to Disney World.

And I was really excited until maybe a couple months passed.

And I was like, wait a second.

I'm still here and there's no Disney World.

And yeah, it's funny.

Like I,

I

really empathize with that, you know, that, that age, that version of me, because I can imagine that it's probably informed some parts of my personality in the sense that like.

One day I had like all my cousins and all my family around and the next day, not to like whatever, like a pity sob story or whatever.

But, you know, one day they were there.

And then the next, the next day I was kind of like, oh,

where is everybody?

I actually had this song that I wrote that didn't end up making it into the album, but

like so many empty chairs for like Christmas, Christmas dinner or whatever.

It was like some

lyric like that.

But I think that's such a like visceral image that I can remember.

It's like a lot of noise.

And then it was like just me and my mom.

Why did you guys move?

I think it was just the situation in Cuba was getting more and more

difficult, like lack of,

there was just like such a ceiling, like as far as like, you know, my mom was an architect and even if you had a good job, there was just like such, there was like not a lot of resources, like even like food, medicine, education, like, I don't think a lot of people know, like the situation there is like really,

it's pretty, it's pretty tough, especially right now.

Like there's like, there's not a lot of food.

I have family members that have come even like a month ago that are still coming and, you know, they see like the food that we have like in you know in the pantry and they're like we're just like not used to this

and and i think that's like what's amazing too about miami and the community there is like i think because everybody has those common uh like start from nothing thing like it really is like hey like if you don't have a job like i got this uncle i got this cousin like you come work for me you don't know how to do this well it's fine i'll teach you whatever and everybody's just kind of like helping each other helping each other and also just like helping each other improvise and we're constantly like trying to like bring our our our family over so i think even when you were saying the like six or seven age i think at that time

six or seven yeah new age one word six or seven six or seven six or seven when you were six or seven i'm thinking about you moving to having to go to a new school moving to a new country probably not completely speaking English.

Oh, no, not at all.

At all.

How did you know?

How did you make friends?

Like what was school school like um

i really made friends it's it's crazy to think about like

in hindsight i made my best friends through music always i was always like

you know my first friend that i made her name was giselle and we lived in uh like an apartment complex she lived in the same complex as me and

We bonded over like the cheetah girls.

I wanted to be them so bad.

And I loved like, you know, Cinderella, like that.

It's actually crazy how much I am realizing a lot of these things came to be.

Yeah, I know.

I really manifested the shit out of like my fucking life.

Then you were Cinderella.

Yeah, I know.

And I was in a girl group.

But um, anyway, so like we would, you know, like I would bring uh the C D or whatever and we would like just dance to it and pretend like we were in a girl group.

And then like, you know, when I was in elementary school, it was like we would pretend to be on American Idol.

Fuck, I manifested that shit too, I guess.

I'm realizing.

And then we were like, I made a uh like mini girl group with my friends, and we were called Lion Girls, Queens of the Jungle, because I love the Cheetah Girls.

That's not like, that's not a like musician flex.

Is it here?

Like, that's a really good name, am I?

God damn.

Yeah.

It sounds like Pac Fun.

And I remember like this one friend that I had, like my best friend, we would like, I remember during the summers, we would like, we would be on the phone and we would like just be singing on the phone.

Like, oh my God, I did like this, that riff sounds so good.

Like everything was honestly really tied to music.

So, you knew from a young age that you like loved

performing.

I loved, I wouldn't even say performing because I was really, really shy.

It was like almost, it was like really reserved for my friends.

And I remember my friends even say now, they're like, remember when we used to be like, sing, sing.

Because I don't know if that was a thing for when it was your age, but I feel like anybody who was like, had like a good voice in school.

Yes.

It was like, it was kind of like, sing.

And at the time it was like, it was in such like good faith that people were trying to put me.

The person that is going to have to sing feels like, fuck all of you.

I don't want to sing.

So if I was to ask any of the kids that went to your school that weren't your friends, like, okay, Camilla at 15 years old is going to become a huge pop star, famous.

What do you think they would have said?

There were people that were like, I didn't even know that like she sang.

Stop.

Because I was just, I was, I went through phases.

Like, I think there was with some people that I was really funny and class clowny and whatever.

And then for most people, I was really, I was like really shy.

Shy.

Okay, let's talk about X Factor.

So I'm reading online and I'm like, wait, is this true?

I'm like, you said that you went on X Factor first to just meet One Direction.

This is, this is true.

I mean,

tell me the plan.

Like, what was the plan going in there?

I mean, honestly, I was a huge, I don't know if, I'm curious if you were too, but I was like, you you know, like, I was like such a big pop culture fan, like, yes, yes, since I was young.

And my friends and I really bonded over that.

Like, we didn't love fucking One Direction.

We loved One Direction.

We loved One Direction.

Yeah, we loved One Direction.

We wanted to fuck One Direction.

Yeah.

I mean, at that age, we just wanted, I wanted to just kiss them any, like just anything.

But yeah, even if at an early age, I wasn't like, I want to be a singer because.

I think it just wasn't even a thing that I thought of.

Like, it was like, bitch, how?

Like, right, right.

You know, like, how will this be a career?

Yeah.

Like, I don't have anybody that knows anybody.

I'm like, in Miami, like, nobody fucking, the most that we had was, I don't know if you remember, like, when that, like, person would come on the radio and be like, auditions for Nickelodeon.

Yes.

Do you want to be the next Selena Gomez, Justin Bieber?

And all my friends and I would be like, yeah.

And it's like, there's no way, bitch.

Like, everyone sit down.

Just so you know, I was one of those girls too.

Like, yeah.

Did you audition?

No, I couldn't.

All of my friends and I auditioned and they were like, you're amazing you're only gonna have to pay fifteen thousand dollars to go to this acting school and my mom was like

yeah right yeah scam

but that was like in hindsight it was always the center of my life was music and singing and writing and whatever it was always like my obsession and I think like One Direction or pop culture was like an extension of that in a different way, in a more probably hormonal, crushy way.

But yeah,

but I really was like, I need to audition to X Factor and I need to do whatever it takes to make it to at least the point where I meet Harry, really

all of them, but like Harry, but really Harry.

So,

poor everyone else, it was always Harry.

Then, like, Zane really popped off, and like, I met him in person, great guy.

Like, I was like, oh, okay, like, no, and Niall is so lovely, too.

He's like amazing.

It's Jerry.

It's Harry.

I just, I was like, I really, really,

he was an inspiring muse for me at 15.

When you talk about a guy when you're younger that you were obsessed with, like, it's sickness.

It brings you back.

Like, I kind of had that with Justin Bieber, where you're like, oh, I was also Justin.

And I'm like, I want to be the one less lonely girl.

Like, shut up.

It's crazy how delusional you are at that age.

You believe.

No, you believe that you're meant to fall in love, that they don't know that you are the girl for them.

Like, they don't know it.

But once they do, there will be no stopping that train.

It's crazy how delusional you are.

Did you ever do this?

Like, I remember I'd be at concerts and I'm like, if he just locks.

Oh, no, me too.

Me too.

I'd be like, I would, I would, I remember, like, going to the concert being like, I have to look incredible.

Because for some reason, I thought me at 15 years old with like my like insanely terrible like side bang and like,

you know, like that he would lock eye and then he would know for some reason.

It's crazy.

I still have some of that delusion left in me now.

I think it's good delusion, though, right?

It's fun.

It keeps you, it keeps, it keeps things spicy.

It does.

On your toes, you know?

Yeah, 100%.

Just like wanting things you can't have.

No, delusion is a necessary ingredient, I think, to like my, my happiness.

But I definitely had way more at 15.

I definitely was like,

once he sees me.

He's, he's, he's dumping Kendall Jenner.

Okay.

Well, no.

You won't even know what hit him.

When our eyes lock, it's like game over, baby.

Wifey.

Okay.

And then I look pictures of myself at that age and i'm like oh my god like i look like such a baby like it was never gonna happen never gonna happen but you join fifth harmony and obviously you don't join one direction although you probably wanted to be like the one girl but i joined the what felt to me like at that time like i was like oh my god yes this is happening to me now god no that's actually so crazy like you were becoming like the female version of the new one direction yeah i mean like when i remember when we were at x factor and they started like calling our names up I was like I know this fucking story.

I have seen it.

Obviously there was a lot of drama when you walked away from the group.

Yeah.

And now that like time has passed and you look back at everything like

how do you feel about how everything went down?

I feel like I'm like can really

focus on and remember the really joyful times.

And you know, I grew a lot in that group and I remember waking up on tour and going to my hotel room at like 7 a.m.

and going to my garage band and like writing songs because I didn't want to like, you know, do it while everybody was there.

And I just like, I had such a passion for that turned into writing.

And at first I was like, oh, maybe like I want to write for other people.

But then it turned into like, no, actually, like, I want to sing these songs by myself.

And I started just like distancing myself from I feel like the group vision.

And it felt like, you know, they were still like really passionate and into that.

And so I just was like, I'm just like, not, I'm not happy here anymore.

Like, i it doesn't feel aligned i think also like that's so okay and i think there's two parts of it one people can look back and be heartbroken that something breaks up so understandable similar to one direction of course it is like oh my god yeah it is it's kind of necessary to grow it's like any breakup like yeah it sucks yeah which we're gonna get into um okay

so so

i'm thinking back you joined this group at 15 and i'm thinking about like you were in it for four years that's basically like like a high school experience like

god yes it is crazy you're a celebrity at such a young age you're touring you're busy did you have time to date how did you meet guys what was the vibe when i was 15 to 19

it was like guys that

you know maybe like not a lot like a few

a few and it was very like we saw each other maybe once or twice a year i really started dating and whatever, like probably when I was like 20.

Okay.

Yeah.

So I because before that, it was just like the group was like all encompassing.

That was your relationship.

That was my relationship.

Yeah.

I feel like everyone remembers their first love.

I remember mine.

I feel like you can kind of never be the same after it because it teaches you so much and it is, you experience so many firsts with this person.

What comes to your mind when you think of like my first love?

First love.

My first love

was,

I feel like I've had

a few,

maybe a couple great loves.

Okay.

How about you?

I think

I've had a couple as well.

I think it's interesting because now that I'm engaged, I look back on it and I like that wasn't.

Well, it's yeah, it's interesting.

It's like it's different.

And I talk about this with Matt all the time.

And I'm so happy that we have a healthy enough relationship to talk about exes and not be like insecure about it, which I used to, I would have been insecure in past relationships to talk about exes.

But when I think about being in love, I definitely can pinpoint like the first person I was in love with that I met when I was like 16.

And it was just this like all-encompassing

wrecks you.

Me too.

And 17 was probably my first

like really in love.

I don't know.

It's like, there's so many different connotations to in love though.

Cause sometimes it's like, who was I happiest with?

Or who made me the most devastated and sometimes it's like god what even is the right definition of in love because there were people that there was you know one person that made me the happiest and there was the other person that made me the most sick and crazy right and i don't know what is the definition of like what's the most in love, you know, it's a good point.

It's like, I feel like when I look back, I agree with you.

All of my loves are different.

Yeah.

But it's also just so fucking weird because you are so different.

And I think of like what I was giving maybe in my first love.

Like I was definitely not someone bringing health and wellness to the relationship.

Oh my god.

It was like fighting and writing letters and like that.

It was like that notebook type of love where it's like so fucking hard and devastating.

You're just like, fuck my life.

But the, when you leave those type of relationships, I feel like it leaves the biggest lasting memory for a while because it was so hard and you thought so much and it was so loving, but then difficult that, like, you can kind of romanticize it once you leave.

Where the people that left you happy, and if it was more stable, I have found it was easier to move on from just because I can, like, kind of put it in a corner of my brain and be like, that was so great, but I know it wasn't meant to be.

I don't know if that makes sense.

No, totally, totally.

I mean, I think like there is a part of me that still,

it depends what mood I'm in.

Sometimes I really want peace and happiness, and other times I still miss and love that chaotic, sickening feeling.

And I don't know what that is.

I have to explore it further in therapy.

But

there is something like so kind of like addictive about that.

And, you know, it's interesting because it's like, you know, it's like the classic, like, nervous system quote, like, whatever.

I mean, actually, I don't know why I said classic because it's not a classic.

Classic?

It's relatable.

You know, that quote is like, find someone that's good for your your nervous system.

Yes.

A lot of the times the people that do make you feel fucking sick with love are not good for your nervous system.

But it's addictive.

But it feels so good and terrible at the same time.

Because when it's good, it's so fucking terrible.

Because when it's good, it's like, you could cut my leg off today.

I will be smiling all teeth.

You know?

But when it's bad, and I think this is what's so interesting, when it is bad, and I think back to those type of relationships, there's something like that makes you feel

even more romantic about it because it's like we're fighting, we're working, we're like totally.

It's just it is kind of convoluted, and there are some relationships that take a lot of work to then get to be good, or there are just a lot of relationships that just shouldn't fucking work, but we put so much into them because it is addicting.

And it really changes, I feel like, as you age.

Like, I feel like when I was younger, so many relationships were like my projection of people in my head.

Yes, and I really romanticized the shit out of them.

And I really took a little thing that they said and I just ran with that.

You know?

But now I find that it's like the people that you meet that are like really exciting and how you have real chemistry with, it's really, it's rare and hard to find.

It is so fucking hard to find.

I find like the first couple hangouts, you will kind of be able to just gauge like if it's there because I'm not someone that's as much of like a slow burn type of person, I am not a slow burner.

And what sucks is that I hear that that's the healthiest thing.

It's like I've heard podcasts or where people are like, if you kind of like this person, and if you're curious, just go on a second date.

And I'm just the kind of person that's like, if I am not like going to sleep, like

wanting

to have you inside me.

Like, I,

I get it.

Honestly, that's extreme.

Maybe not that.

But if I'm not, if I'm not like, if I don't leave the date and I'm like,

wow,

it's really hard for me to have that slow burn approach.

But I'm trying to be more like that.

I think it's just.

I agree.

I also just want to validate you because it's not extreme what you just said.

I think when I've left first date, you want to like, I know it sounds fucking crazy, but this is a girl's girl podcast.

So everyone girl will get it.

You leave and you can like literally quickly go through like picturing yourself in like positions with them and places, well, not well, positions physically and like places in life.

and just like kind of quickly the next year with them.

And you're like picturing like the next date and your sexual chemistry.

That's disgusting.

You can kind of envision it.

And then if I can't with someone, it's hard to go on the second date.

I know.

But a lot of people say, like, you should.

And, you know, and fuck us.

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What is single Camilla like?

Okay.

I

try to really prioritize that part of my life.

Okay.

Because it just makes me feel,

it's just so fun.

Yeah.

I love, I honestly love being single.

I love it.

But I also I've been in relationships for a lot of my since I started dating like since I started dating when I was 20.

I was in long-term relationships a lot.

So it feels fun to just like

get to know people and like

talk and like see what happens.

happens.

Yeah.

Those beginning stages are like.

Beginning stage also.

Also my weakness because I love a beginning stage.

It's so fun.

It's so good.

It's, I think, why I had such a hard time getting into serious relationships for for a while because the thrill and the excitement and the unknown is so fun.

And then once it becomes like predictable, I used to be like, bye, but

when you get older again, like you start to realize there can be a balance.

And you start to realize there also, there are other things that are important.

Like you can go deeper and that's surprising.

And you know, at the end of the day, it's like we're people that are, I really believe like we're never just one person.

We are constantly changing.

Like Matt could be a different person in two years.

He will be a new person.

Yeah.

And so there's always something new.

Yeah.

But

I do feel like I'm like, I think also because I was just in like a heavy, like,

you know, like writing process, writing stage, it's really experiences.

I'm just like so hungry for experiences.

Like the more experiences.

The better.

The better.

Okay, so one experience you had recently that we all saw online

was you were on a vacation with Drake.

Oh, gosh.

Well, you know what?

I have to ask.

I can't not ask.

Yeah, of course, of course.

Have you guys ever been a thing?

Well, I wouldn't, first of all, I wouldn't say like straight up vacation.

Okay, okay, okay.

It was vacation plus some work.

Oh, oh, oh,

oh, God.

Oh, wait.

The whole internet just broke.

So it was vacation plus some work.

But I will say, you know what?

I love that man.

I love him.

We all love that man.

We all love him, right?

The internet really loved him recently.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know what you're talking about.

Okay, so have you ever had,

can we confirm or no?

Um, have I ever had what?

Like a little thing with Drake.

A beautiful artistic collaboration with him?

Yes.

I may or may not have.

What is it like going on vacation with Drake?

Okay, first of all, we did not go on vacation.

Like the two.

This was like a homie, like friends trip.

Okay, good, good, good.

okay, so let me tell me, let me, let me break this down.

Rewind.

Okay.

So

basically, Drake was a big.

Love him.

Love him.

Love him as an artist for real.

Me too.

Love him as, like, right?

Yes.

He's the best.

Yes.

Who the goat?

He.

I love him so much.

And I really listened to him a lot during my writing process during my album.

And I really felt like he would like my album.

Love.

For real.

Confidence.

Fucking love it.

And so I DM'd him and I was like, hey, I really want to play.

I was like, you know what?

I'm just going to put it out there.

That's a fucking baller.

We got to, we, we got to make shit happen.

You got to make shit happen.

We got to make shit happen.

So I DM'd him and I was like, I would love to play you in my album.

I honestly feel like you would really love it because,

you know,

because I listen to him a lot and I and I just feel like we're, I really do feel like musically, in a lot of ways, we like the same things.

And I feel,

yeah.

So

we hung out.

I played him my album.

What did he say?

He loved it.

Okay.

And I, and I thought that he would.

And I was like, so excited.

It was also such a surreal moment for me to like play Drake my songs.

And like, dude.

You know,

that's another one of those things that you're just like, wow, I would have never expected

that this would happen.

A dream.

It's a dream.

Like, it's a dream.

I remember being there and being like, wow, this is like so fucking sick.

And he's so generous and so kind.

But anyway, so I didn't like just go on vacation with him.

It was like a vacation, like work thing.

But honestly, I will say I

love him.

And I'm, and, and that has been such a fun part about this whole experience.

Like, this has been the most, it's been a really insular process in terms of like me taking it back to basics in terms of like me like really focusing on like, you know, my craft of writing or whatever.

But at the same time, literally, I could chug this whole thing right now of like huge toast to that.

And he's amazing and I love him.

Let's do a toast to Drake.

Toast

to Drake.

To champagne poppy.

God bless.

We all love you.

God bless.

We, we really do love you.

I love you.

Dude.

Okay.

So you are single.

So what is the approach to dating?

Are you looking for something serious?

Are you going on dates?

Like, what is happening?

Um, as far as looking for something serious,

I don't know.

I have phases.

Like maybe like two weeks ago, I'm like, oh my God, like I really just I want to really have something real with someone I'm ready I'm ready I'm ready for something real again and then I am like you know

talking and like meeting someone new and I'm like oh my god I love this this is so fun I don't want anything serious right now so

It really is like, it's different, it's different phases.

I really think I'm like, there's so much going on right now

that

if it was somebody serious, I would really have to connect with them on a really deep level, which I always hope it is.

I'm a hopeless romantic at heart.

Like, I love my fun, but I'm a hopeless romantic for sure.

And I literally, if I have like a great kiss with somebody, I'm like, I would die for you.

Right.

Like, we're in love.

Oh, yeah, 100%.

Are you someone that will have a roster?

Like, what's the situation?

Are you good at handling multiple men at once?

I do like a little bit, not too much, but just a little bit of like a,

you know, there's like maybe a few

vibes.

Yes.

There's a few vibes.

You know, and I think there's a different level of like, for some people, roster is like the intimacy is like maybe sleeping with all of them.

That's that's too much for me.

It's more kind of like vibes and

talking, hanging out, whatever.

But I can't be serious, at least at this point, with more than one person.

I completely agree.

I feel like when you're in the single stage, it's helpful to kind of just like pick around and just kind of like keep a couple people in

the arena, just to be like, that's where I am.

Like, what's your vibe?

Yeah, what's your vibe?

Right.

And then, like, once one kind of drops off, you can pick up a new one.

Yeah.

But it's fun.

And you're my new favorite.

Yes.

And I think, as busy as you are, I get that.

It's like, unless the person is going to be like, holy fucking shit, this is like

late night till 3 a.m.

You're fucking talking.

Exactly.

If it's late night till 3 a.m.

and we have this insane connection and I'm like, oh, you're like, it's giving father of my children vibe.

Like, I will, I will fly anywhere.

You like what you come, like, whatever.

Then I will do that.

But if it's like,

I liked him and he was cute and that was cute.

Then it's like, I'll see you when I see you.

Wait, have you ever flown a guy somewhere?

Only in like

relationships.

Relationships.

Vibe.

Okay.

No.

I mean, I haven't like flown them.

Got it.

They fly to you.

No, yeah.

I haven't piloted them to my hotel room.

But I mean, like, they have flown to me.

Yes.

But I haven't been like, let me just get you your flight.

Yeah.

I'm not.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah, I know.

What gives you the ick?

To be honest, one of the things that would give me the ick is

I don't really want to be like with a guy.

Like, I don't want to be like on my daddy shit.

Have a little bit of like that like masculine energy.

Kind of take control.

Take control.

Especially because you're in control all fucking day with your career.

And that's a big psychological thing.

Yes.

If do you feel like that too?

I was going to say, like, I want for, sure, respect, but if I'm like, I am literally running the ship now here.

No, same.

If I'm making decisions all day and I have to be like on my fucking like whatever, daddy shit.

Unironic daddy boss girl shit, you better come correct when it's time and let me just not think about anything.

Like, I want you to like fuck, I want to let go and surrender.

Right.

What is your philosophy around ghosting?

Are we ghosting people?

Are we?

No, I don't like that.

I mean, I actually had a conversation with my friends the other day because I went on a date with this guy.

Okay.

One date.

How'd it go?

Not great.

Okay.

I didn't like it.

And I went on a date with this guy, and I asked my friends, he was like texting me.

And I asked my friends, I was like, hey guys, if I don't answer, is this ghosting?

Do you go out in public with this person?

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Okay.

And so, but they're not like, right.

He wasn't famous.

Why did it not go well?

It was just so boring.

Like, there was no spark.

No.

I was thinking about every other act.

Yeah.

Like, I was just not.

That's what happened.

That's the fucking worst.

When you're like, or just, or just the number one on the roster.

Oh!

You're like, he's like a real good run.

Like, you're like, I'm just thinking about number one.

And you're like, you're like, get out.

Just leave.

Yeah.

But you wait, you went through the whole fucking date.

I honestly, this is actually crazy.

So

I had my, I was hiding my hair.

Were you wearing a bag?

I was wearing a black wig.

and

no, did, I was just like, my head really hurts.

Camila, you said that you had like a headache.

Did he know you were wearing a wig?

I told him.

Yeah.

You're like, babe, the wigs really pull in.

I gotta go.

I was like, I gotta go.

What did he say?

He was like, yeah, of course, let's go.

You're like, no, but like alone.

Yeah, I feel bad.

I really hope he doesn't see this.

He won't.

There's no way to see.

I don't think I see this.

But the thing is this.

Sometimes in life, it's it, you got to just feel the vibes.

And you know what?

Let me rephrase this.

Just in case.

Yeah, just in case.

Just in case.

It wasn't that it was boring.

I just was like, my just heart.

Wasn't it?

My heart was with someone else.

Listen, I think that's fine to say.

And I think we, especially as women, need to get more comfortable because how many fucking times are men like, nah, she ain't hot enough.

Or like, nah, she's not that.

You just, totally.

You just didn't vibe.

It wasn't it.

It wasn't.

It wasn't an amazing person.

It wasn't a fit.

But I am sensitive about ghosting because I feel like you have to be, you have to be kind to people.

And, but, however, I didn't text him back because I was like,

I don't know.

I don't know.

Honestly, if, and if somebody were to say right now, hey,

and my friend actually, they gave me good advice.

They were like,

don't text him back.

If he keeps texting you,

then say, hey, honestly, it really wasn't a fit, but it was so nice to meet you.

Wish you well.

But he didn't keep texting.

So I was like, I'll leave it.

But

if things had gone on like further, then I'm not a fan of the ghosting thing.

I just feel like it's like, why hurt people?

Just be nice.

Don't lead them on.

I agree.

Let's just, you know.

And I also, just to clarify for your own conscience as we're drinking our wine, that's not ghosting.

I don't think so either.

He sent you one text, you didn't respond.

And I kind of love a guy that's self-aware enough to be like, just stop, check.

100%.

And also it's like, it's one date.

right like yeah like we didn't like have exactly three months together 100

that's crazy when people do that if somebody if i was with somebody no and they ghosted me after we were intimate or after we whatever i would be like you're just like that's a very unkind thing to do and i wouldn't want to be with somebody like that anyway what is the biggest red flag that you've ever willingly ignored so many i mean right like so many i don't know you start Give me an idea.

I would say, like, I think when I look back at past relationships, something that comes up for me is like feeling insecure around him.

Like, big.

You should never feel like, oh, my God, I don't want him to see me in the morning if I have like a breakout or like, if I, do I look good enough for this date?

Or like, if I'm on the date, is he looking at other women?

Like, when you're with the right person.

You would never think that way.

And I think that is something I would ignore in this one relationship I had where I was constantly feeling like I wasn't good enough.

And it's like, why?

Like, I am.

Yeah, I think that's a big red flag is like how you feel.

Like, that's just such a big temperature check in relationships.

Like, I've been in relationships before where I'm like, if I am miserable for this long,

there is just something

off.

And some every time I've been like, it's me, it's me, it's me.

It's me.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

It's my.

What is it?

What am I?

Oh, my God.

Blah, blah, blah.

But it's like, a lot of the times it's like, it's, it's just not right.

I agree.

It's not right.

It's like, if I feel so much better when I'm not with you, and then when I'm with you, I feel miserable and overthinking and anxious every time, then we are just not right.

And then I think you kind of keep going because you, you have this like

hope or some ideal of what the relationship is.

We can work on it.

We can this, we can this, we can that.

And it's like, sometimes it's like you have to temperature check.

Like, yeah, just like, it's not right.

It's not right.

Have you ever been cheated on?

I actually'm lucky to say I have not been cheated on.

It's amazing.

I know.

That's amazing.

Maybe I really don't think this counts, but I was like 17 talking to a guy, but I don't think that counts.

Have you ever had someone go through your phone?

Oof.

That's a yes.

How did you see them checking it?

I had deleted some texts.

Right.

And they were like,

why did you delete this text message history?

Got it.

With another person.

And I was like,

my phone deletes things.

Like, I was like young.

You were being a little shady.

I was being a little shady.

And then they caught you.

But that's where it's so fucked because you're like, who's in the wrong?

And then it's like the meme of Spider-Man where it's like, I was definitely in the wrong.

Okay, for sure.

I love that.

My phone deletes things.

Oh,

bullshit.

That's such a bad lie to me today.

I was like, I have never been, to this day, I don't think I've ever been so scared in my my life.

You're like, I was like, Apple, my phone just like, I deletes messages, like whole complete messages.

I don't, I don't know.

But I honestly, I broke up with him literally three days after.

Okay, that's good.

That's good.

But you know, shit happens.

Life happens.

It happens.

Okay, we're going to play Rapid Fire.

If you had to trade lives with any celebrity, who would it be?

It's, I, I honestly would say no one.

Really?

I like my life.

Love.

What about you?

I don't know why this just came up for me.

I don't know if it's the wine.

Yeah, go.

But I was gonna say, like, maybe like Meryl Streep.

Interesting.

I think, I think I would.

I mean, it would be amazing to be like one of the best actresses in the fucking world.

I think it's more because I think if I was had to pick a celebrity, I would want someone that's like not in the public eye and like chooses to not.

She's never being paparazzi.

She's never

so Meryl Streep.

Okay, we're moving on.

No, that's a good one.

Okay, okay.

Have you ever had to lie to your friends about a guy you were seeing?

Yeah.

Oh my God.

All the time.

Like, not all the time, but like, I love this TikTok that I see.

It's like, um, like your friend is like, you like show them like a terrible text and it's like, and what did you respond to him?

And you're like, uh.

Like when my friends are always like, my friends are cold as fuck.

Cold hearted.

Those are good friends sometimes.

They're like, dude, how could you text him back?

Don't text him.

Don't do that emoji.

Don't, I'm like, oh my God, I didn't know you guys were mean.

But they're very, but it's good.

They're keeping you in line.

Oh my God.

Yeah, because I'm like the opposite.

I'm like, I'm a dumbass.

I get it.

I get it.

I'm an idiot.

Yeah, I was just going with it.

What is your biggest insecurity?

My biggest insecurity, like internal, external, whatever.

Whatever.

This is just probably the wine, too.

And I saw this Jodi Foster like interview.

Like, I was reading it yesterday.

Congrats on your New York Times article, by the way.

Oh my God, thank you.

I didn't read it because I didn't want to make myself nervous before the interview, but

I love the New York Times and I was like, oh my god, there she is.

But I saw this one New York Times or New York or whatever, like Jodi Foster interview, and she was like, for somebody who values privacy so much, I really want to be understood.

And that really resonated with me.

I feel like my insecurity is like,

I don't know, some like childhood thing of like being like, I don't care if people get me.

I don't care if people, whatever, I'm just going to be myself.

But at the same time,

really wanting people to understand me and

not dislike me or whatever.

So I don't really know.

I think it's like a general insecurity of like probably like being seen and then not loved or whatever.

I think that is one of the most relatable feelings.

Like I think we all can try to put up a front of like, I don't care about like the mean comments or things.

Oh, yeah, I try to not care, but we care.

At the same time, it's like,

yeah, I really

want love from people, you know?

And you want people to understand you because like I can tell you, you have such a good heart that like it's a difficult balance of like people seeing things online.

And then you're like, I can't run to defend myself every moment.

No, that is tough when you are.

being perceived in a way that you're like, that's not accurate.

That's infuriating.

It is.

It is.

There's a lot of surrender.

Like you have to really let go.

If you're spicing it up with lingerie, what color are you wearing?

Ooh, I think black.

Morning sex or night sex?

I honestly love morning sex.

I like both, but there's, and my favorite is actually like, I love like an afternoon vibe

because it feels so like European.

It feels so like you're like not working.

And it feels like.

So primal in a way.

Like I don't have to work.

Right.

Let's just like

eat fruit and like

if you're going home with someone, are are you going back to his or is he coming to yours?

I prefer him coming back to mine for sure.

Biggest turn off in the bedroom.

I don't like

silence and like

just like no passion.

Yes.

I need like going through the motions.

I hate going through the motions.

I'm like, why are we even doing this?

Why are we like making eye contact?

Why aren't we making out?

Why are we kind of saying things to me?

Like, let's like, you know what I mean?

Yes, I get it.

Yeah, to me, I'm like, I would rather not have this.

Favorite sex position?

It depends on the vibe and it depends on

the energy of whatever's happening at that moment.

Like, it's there's like in love

sex, and then there's like kind of freaky vibes.

Yes, I get it.

You know, I get it.

So, I think different strokes for different times.

I get it.

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I gotta ask what your opinion is on getting back with an axe.

I'm personally,

I think it's known.

I'm a fan.

I support it.

Supported it in the past.

Cheers.

Cheers.

What about you?

I think it's so

it.

I personally think it's helpful.

It's helpful because I am not a person.

You can't forbid things from me because I will want to do it more.

Yes.

If I tell myself, some of my friends are really good at that.

They're like, well, I'm not going to text him because blah, blah, blah, blah.

I'm not like that.

I'm like, if I want to text him, I'm going to text him.

I agree.

I completely agree.

You know, I've gotten back with X's.

Even if I know it's not going to work, sometimes you need that.

You need it.

You need to know that it's not going to work.

And it needs to be on your terms.

And then you need to be over it.

And you need to be like,

I I did it.

And I've,

I know, I know.

I know.

And I know.

Okay, so I have to just say it.

Yes, sure.

Fuck it.

Okay.

So it looked, it looked to the world like you and your ex-Sean Mendez kind of like dabbled with the idea of getting back together about a year ago.

Yeah.

What was going on?

You know, I think it's like what we were just talking about.

Like, just like, hmm.

Yeah, yeah.

And, you know, it's crazy because I just like, I'm kind of like impulsive in that way, I would say.

Like, I feel like if I feel it, I say it.

Yeah.

And I'm not really good at not doing that.

Like I said, because then the worst place for it to live in is my mind.

Totally.

And then I'm like, you know, Ryan Gossing in the notebook building a house for this person.

So

I would rather.

say it and you know see what happens and then wake up the next day and find out that it's been heavily documented

i just like went i opted for that route, but you know, but it is what it is.

It was a great route.

It was a fun time.

It was a fun moment.

And, you know, and I will always care about him and love him.

He's such a good person.

Yeah.

And I'm lucky, you know, because some people have exes that are awful.

And, you know, and he is not.

He's a really kind, good person.

When you rekindle something with an ex, I've done it myself.

I find, and I don't know if this is for you.

I find the second breakup is always a little bit easier than the first initial.

Because it's kind of already been over.

Yes.

Then you try to rekindle again.

How did you guys make this huge decision to be like, okay,

we're moving on?

I think it was just like,

it wasn't even like a decision.

I think you just kind of are like, yeah, this doesn't really, it's not a, it's not a fit.

It doesn't feel right.

And I think luckily, you know, I was in a place in my life where it took me less time to realize that.

Like, it took us both less time, like to be like, this doesn't feel right.

And we don't really need to like try so hard to like make it work.

Like it's all good.

Like, this is not feeling good.

Like, let's be friends.

I love you.

I love you.

It's all good.

Let's move on.

You go do your thing.

You go do mine.

Become the person that, you know, that you're becoming.

And I'll root for you.

And that's it, you know?

Getting back with an X for a moment, it is sometimes helpful because it makes the first thing less.

hurtful because you kind of relived it for a second.

You're like, check, still not right.

We can kind of now like fade off and be like, it wasn't, it wasn't what we wanted.

And that's okay.

Yeah.

And I think the worst thing that you can live with is like a what if or a doubt.

What is your take on the idea of right person, wrong time?

Wow, that's a great question.

I don't think that there is such thing.

I feel like if it's the wrong time, it's it's it's not right.

It doesn't matter if it's, I think right person, wrong time is still a way of keeping yourself tied to the person.

And it's almost like right job, wrong time.

It's the wrong job.

So true.

You know, so true.

Like, it's like, when you say it like that, you know, you're right.

There's just no such thing.

Like, I feel like, I, I really, I feel like if,

if it's the wrong time and that makes it a person that's, yeah.

I love like just the simplicity of like, it sounds so clinical and non-romantic, but like, it's just not a fit.

Like when I met Matt, I was like, this isn't the right time.

Like, I really wasn't looking for a relationship and I really didn't want a relationship when I met Matt.

I was like, fuck.

But we made it work.

There's no such thing.

Because he was the right person.

Because there's no such thing, I feel like there's no such thing really.

I mean, maybe there is such a thing as the, I mean, maybe wrong time could be classified as like long distance or you're going away or whatever.

But then in that case, it's just, it's not right.

Right.

Right.

Like, if period, if it's the right person, you will find a way to make it work.

Yes, you will.

Yeah.

100%.

What do you personally think is the most difficult aspect from past experience of like going through a breakup?

I think it's like the

like a long-term breakup.

Yeah.

I think it's like the, it's really just like the

the like, where does the love go vibe.

You know, like you have so much like care and love for this person and it just it really does feel

I've

luckily up to this point in my life I haven't experienced loss

like real loss but it feels like loss but that person is just still

out there.

And it takes your own restraint, reminding yourself why it's not the right thing

to like keep you away from texting that person or whatever.

And also, it's like feels very out of your control because sometimes it's like, I just, I wanted it to be this person so bad.

Like, I wanted it to be, but it's not.

And that feels really hard to let go, like to be like,

I really wanted this to be it but the fact that it's not that I can't make this person who I wanted them to be it's tough it's really tough like you really it really feels like like uh you can't always get what you want kind of thing I do kind of love how you said that though it's so true of like where does love go when I'm thinking of like what would my answer have been I'm like kind of similar where you're like how did we love each other so much

And now it's not going to work.

And we know the reasons it's not working, but like we loved each other so much.

Like, how do we just like float away from each other?

And like,

that's it.

Yeah, it's like, where does the energy go?

Right.

I find like it was so funny after, like, there's been breakups where after I'm like, I tell my best friends, I'm like, can I just like hold your hand more and like be more like touchy with you?

Because that's like a big love language for me, as you've probably seen in videos is like touch, physical touch.

And

even like the touch starvation after, and you know what I mean?

It is really hard.

Totally.

Like, I'm like, can we just hold the hand?

That's when it gets tricky when you go through breakup of like, do I miss him or do I miss the things that came with having someone that I was in love with?

And that's really hard to discern.

Of like, I miss my best friend.

I miss someone that's like going to hold me and like hold my hand.

And it's usually that, I think,

for me in the past.

I agree.

You know, and that's where you really have to be like, I didn't get what I wanted.

I really wanted, I really wanted this person to be this.

I really wanted us to be this, but it's not.

Yeah, it's not.

For all the girls listening, I'm curious if you have any advice.

I've been through it.

I think social media makes it so much fucking worse.

How do you handle from past shit of like when you know you and your ex are moving on at different paces?

How do you like that?

Oh my god, it's the worst.

I'm like, I'd be out here fucking stalking bitches.

I'm like,

it's just like, how do you handle it?

I don't even know if you have advice.

I really think it's like, I have been an absolute psycho.

Absolute psycho.

I love you for admitting that.

Because aren't we all?

And honestly, it was even worse when I was younger.

When I was younger, I would be dating a guy and like stalking his ex.

I'd be like, what is wrong with me?

Everyone, raise your hand to me for a while.

I'd still,

I'd still, honestly, I definitely like, we all

since I've been in like a long-term relationship, but God, I was like, he's like telling me he loves me.

And meanwhile, I'm torturing myself over somebody like he's not even with anymore.

It's like so crazy.

So hard.

The torture, I think, like my advice would be: I've gotten better at this.

Is like,

I'm a big, like, mindfulness, like, kind of Buddhist practitioner person.

Not practitioner person.

That sounds so fucking weird.

I know, like, what?

But I think, like, self-compassion is really important when it comes to that stuff.

It's like, I could do something that's going to really hurt me, or I can put the phone down.

So fucking hard.

It's really hard, but you almost have to do it out of kindness for yourself.

And I think like giving ourselves grace, like it is normal to

want to be interested in that shit.

Like, I think it's so annoying when people are like, oh my God, you like stalk your ex.

It's like, oh, fuck you.

Literally fuck you.

It's like, if this person was in your bed, you used to have sex.

You were intimate.

You were in love.

Like, of course there's moments where you're like eating a french fry one day and you're like, oh, what is he up to?

It's like, it's natural.

Just like you're wondering what fucking kids from middle school are up to and you go on Facebook to look at it.

Oh my God.

Also, like the people that don't admit that, I'm like, oh, please, like, you're not fun to talk to.

Like, where is your like fucked up human self?

We're crazy.

We're crazy.

Breakup sex.

Are you a proponent?

Has it helped you in the past?

Does it ruin things for you?

So what does breakup sex mean?

Like, you're like, this is over.

Oh.

But.

yeah and then you do it one more time yeah of course and like have you found it makes it more messy or is it more like

okay i feel like if you're if you're wanting to have breakup sex you're probably gonna hit each other up next week like there's still something there you know i and and like i said i'm sorry i'm a proponent like i i don't believe in the forbidden fruit if you want it Do it.

Kind of like date him till you hate him vibe.

I don't actually hate anybody, but I'm saying do it until it's out of your system.

And my friends really don't agree with this.

They're like, you're an idiot and we hate you.

And don't ask me for advice anymore because I'm sick of you.

But it's been helpful for me.

And, you know, and I also think the, I think the hard part is like sometimes you do waste some time in that way.

Like you like are still entertaining something and maybe there could be somebody out there that's better.

I think the point to close out the dating chapter is like,

everybody that's listening, like, don't feel shame if you go back to an ex, but protect yourself in those moments of just knowing like what

there could be an end date and just like,

just be okay with that.

And maybe there's not an end date.

Maybe you guys are going to stay together forever.

I think it's just like and know why.

Know why.

Yeah.

You still keep going back.

Is it the sex?

Is it the chemistry?

Is it the emotional connection?

Is it your self-esteem?

Is it whatever?

Because I think like one thing that I feel like I'm always trying to do and I'm not trying to, whatever, at the risk of sounding, I'm not trying to sound preachy is like, I feel like always doing the inner work and inner questioning of like, why am I doing, why am I doing this?

Why am I doing this?

And if you still want to do it, do it.

Totally.

But just know why you're doing it.

Why you're doing it?

Like what you're getting out of it.

Your new music is on the way, which everyone is freaking out about.

Did you hear it?

I did.

So I was at the hairdresser and I'm like, where do I listen to this?

And I'm holding it up to my ear.

And I'm listening also, like me, obviously interviewing you.

I was like trying to listen to the lyrics.

Yeah.

I'm like horrible.

Which I love, by that way, which I love.

It's so good.

Thank you.

It's everything.

Because it's so fucking raw and it's so fucking real.

And I wanted to ask you, just like, what has it meant to you in the writing process and everything?

Yeah.

Well, I think this is like my, I love this quote by this poet, Rainer Maria Rilke, that's like, Olive Your Questions.

Have you ever heard of that?

No, I love that.

I read this book.

It was actually in COVID time and it's called Letters to a Young Poet.

And there's this poet that's asking him, like, he has so many questions.

And I think he's like probably in his 20s.

And he's like, the one advice I can give you is to live your questions.

And I feel like this was my Live My Questions album, Live My Questions chapter.

And it's like very

like sitting in the discomfort of things and realizing there's not going to be a neat in a box answer.

It's like, I feel strong in these ways, weak in this ways.

And there's no real clear answer here.

But yeah, like the album process has been like such a journey.

And, you know, it started off with me really having that intention of going back to how it started for me, which is just like, you know, sitting with myself and, you know, really like getting back to that first like passion of songwriting and, you know,

like nerding out over references and artists and poetry and whatever and really tapping tapping into that.

Um, and then finding um the collaborators that would really help me.

I worked with like this amazing producer named Pablo El Guincho, and he really championed that for me.

And whenever I would get kind of nervous or doubtful about, like, you know, should we bring any other co-writers in the room or whatever?

He'd be like, No, this sounds like you got this, and we got this, and you know, we can do it.

And he brought in Jasper Harris, and the three of us kind of like made this whole project.

And it turned into, like, I'm excited for you to hear the whole album because it really is like kind of almost turned into into like this very

like solidified songwriter voice for me that became kind of like a persona in a world.

Oh, wow.

Which is the first time I've really done that with an album where it's like has its own kind of color palette and mood and aesthetic and sonic vibe.

And, you know, it's like very, it became kind of like its own world.

And then obviously like, you know, the

people that I that I'm like a huge fan of like there were so many artists that kind of came in and you know, it's just been like so fun and amazing.

I'm so excited for you because when I just read some of the lyrics, it feels like we're actually just like inside your brain, like reading your diary almost in a way.

And I love how so much of it felt your right of like this back and forth of like where your brain goes when you're in the middle of situations.

And it felt so real.

And like when I was reading it, I'm like, oh my God, I've experienced this in my life before too.

It was very relatable, but the way that you were able to articulate it was just fabulous.

And I think

so many women specifically, I think, are going to be like, um, you're speaking from my experience.

Yes, I've loved this, and it's really cool.

It's also really cool because, like, the album aesthetically, and even like so many of the themes and terms of it, it's like, you know, there's a lot of like lip gloss and nails and whatever.

It's like very hyper-femme,

which is so fun because it's like, I feel like I'm really tapping into the fun of like the feminine experience and and sensuality and like even like the things that we do like the you know like yeah all those like different the hair the hair the hair no it's so good and i'm so excited personally to hear the whole thing but i'm excited

because i think

people the beauty of conversations like this is like I haven't really seen you like this online.

We're like, you really are like our girlfriend.

Like, I feel like we're all friends with you now.

And I get you.

And I, we, like, you're, you just feel like someone that is very, like,

relatable.

Well, that's why I wanted to do this podcast, too, because I was like, I feel like it's like very for the girls.

And I feel like my album is like very, like, for the girls.

And also, like, my, so much of it was, like, inspired, it's so much of me and who I am is inspired by my friends.

And, you know what I mean?

And, like, that dynamic and like, you know, drinking wine and talking about like whatever the worst sex you've ever had.

Like,

that's like, you know, that's very...

That's life.

That's life.

That's the best part of life.

What message do you hope fans take away from this album when it comes out?

Ooh, that's a great question.

I really think it's live your questions.

And I would add a bonus to that is: I think it's like really embracing the playfulness of it, like the playfulness of being alive, of being a girl.

And I think that's honestly why so much of this album has themes like, I don't know, like sex or whatever, is because

it's playful and it's it's playful and it's hot it's hot and and being hot is fun yeah like some of the lyrics i was like oh camila like

oh

well i think it's like just like this spirit of i think freedom

and

and like just like ownership and really just like owning your fucking life and

I don't know, just like fucking being, being free and being you.

I am so excited for you.

The daddy gang will support you the minute this comes out.

Oh, daddy gang.

I can't thank you enough for sitting down.

I know that you don't do this often, and like you're a fucking pro.

I could do this with you all day.

Well, me too.

And I knew that it would happen like that because I really was like, I was listening to your stuff, and I was like, oh, this is a girl that like I would be friends with, you know?

But thank you for real for making me feel so comfortable.

You're so kind.

I love you.

And I love this one.

And I love you too.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

You're the best.

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