Ed Sheeran: You Either Love Me or Hate Me

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Speaker 1 Ed Sharon, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Hey, okay, wait.
I was going to ask you, a musician never is sitting in the seat at 9 a.m. Like, I've never had a musician.
Is that the coffee?

Speaker 3 There we go. Bring in the coffee.
Thank you.

Speaker 3 Thank you so much. Thank you.
I'm honestly an early riser. Like, I'm an early riser and an early bedtimer, but I'd have two very young girls at home.
So, like, I'm up at 5.30 every morning.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God. So, I'm, yeah.

Speaker 3 I was up at about 6.30 this morning.

Speaker 1 And what time did you go to bed?

Speaker 3 3.30.

Speaker 1 Oh, wow. So you could get, like, do you get a little like loopy? Like, are you going to get like weird, funny? Or are you going to like fall asleep on me?

Speaker 3 Honestly, I have no idea where my body is at the moment. We've been in India, China, and then just and then UK for a bit, and then now in America.
So my body is all over the shop at the moment.

Speaker 1 Wait, you were in Boston?

Speaker 3 We were in Boston last night, yeah.

Speaker 1 That is one of my favorite places ever. I went to college there.
So Boston to me is like

Speaker 1 Boston University. Amazing.
I spent many nights on bar floors and club floors. So where are you originally from? Pennsylvania.
Amazing. And then I went to school in Boston.

Speaker 1 And I remember being in Boston and be like, this is the greatest fucking place. These bars are epic.
The people are epic. Like everyone just goes so fucking hard.

Speaker 3 It definitely feels European.

Speaker 3 It definitely has like a vibe about it that every time I've gone to Boston, like it's always been the first place for me, like the first biggest theatre I played, then the first arena I played here, and then the first stadium.

Speaker 3 And it's always been, but I guess there's something to do with the Irish heritage, I guess.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 3 I love Boston. Last night was fun.
We did, it was obviously St. Patrick's Day.

Speaker 3 I flew the folk band that played with me on Galway Girl, I flew them over, and they learned all my songs, and we basically did a trad jam of, it was like a set, but it was like with an irish trad band and was that where you were like running on top of the bar singing no that was in nashville that was in oh you've been like getting after it yeah i've been around i kind of this whole entering into this album campaign i was just like i don't want to do anything that i've done before and for me all of that sort of stuff is so fun it like way more fun than like organizing a like proper gig that's ticketed and blah blah blah if you just turn up somewhere and play you still play the gig but it's just chaotic and fun that's fun though that you're at a place in your career where you're even interested in doing those type of things because I feel like the bigger people get, they're like, no, I don't need to go do random shit like that.

Speaker 3 No, no, it's the that's I feel like that's when you actually connect with people. I think I find it so fun.

Speaker 3 I like the balance of having all of it.

Speaker 3 Like even when I was on tour in the States last time, I was doing a theater on a Friday and then a stadium on a Saturday and I loved the juxtaposition of the two. And I think being a performer,

Speaker 3 no matter what you do in life, if you do the same thing all the time, eventually it's going to get tiresome, even if it's playing a stadium show the whole time, which is obviously like a really, really amazing thing to do.

Speaker 3 But when people talk to people about it and they ask about doing these pop-up shows to 20-30 people, I'm like, you wouldn't eat a burger breakfast, lunch, and dinner every single day.

Speaker 3 So it's nice having

Speaker 1 a little mix-up. We're switching.

Speaker 3 I love it, yeah.

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Speaker 1 Okay, I want to get your take on some very American things as a Brit. Okay.

Speaker 1 Rodeos.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I'm down.

Speaker 3 I like, do you know what I like is culture? And I feel like a rodeo is culture. I like going to countries and feeling like that's what I lived in, I lived in Nashville for a couple of years.

Speaker 3 I lived in New York for a year. I've lived in LA, like on and off, and doing things that are so specifically American.

Speaker 3 If that makes sense. Like you go to, whenever I travel the world, I'll try and do things that feel cultural.

Speaker 3 And I feel like going to a baseball game and having a hot dog feels, for me as a Brit, I'm like this feels American I think like a rodeo is that for me like get getting into the swing of that would be fun like I would love I spoke to my um promoter and I was like do they do tours of rodeos I'd love to just tour rodeos even if it's like for four weeks just do it okay you living in Nashville at that time or any time have you ever considered doing a country album I think there's yeah I guess so but I the from living in Nashville you can't just like dip your toe in if I'm gonna do it I have to do it and then that's it.

Speaker 1 Do you have like a good twang? Like, could you pull it off?

Speaker 3 I feel, because my heritage is, is sort of Anglo-Irish, and I grew up with trad music in my household. I think it would have to be a little twinge of that.

Speaker 3 I think I'd have to bring Irish trad music into country because it's all kind of, it's the same instruments anyway. But, um, yeah, so I wouldn't have a twang.
Um, but I've made

Speaker 3 country songs in the past, they've just never come out. I feel like I have to

Speaker 3 I have to do it

Speaker 3 properly. And I think when you transition to country, you can't transition back.
Once you're there, you're there.

Speaker 1 So maybe you'll do it like you're later. 100%.

Speaker 3 Nashville is like my favorite city in the States. And

Speaker 3 it's always been like my end goal would be like, I'm going to move to Nashville and

Speaker 3 transition to country. But

Speaker 3 yeah, I think you just have to do it properly. It's like it's a genre you have to really respect.
And it's not just dip in and out.

Speaker 1 I get it.

Speaker 1 Okay, the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 I like it.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been asked to do the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 There was a conversation about 10 years ago to go on with someone, and I think that would be the only way that I would do it at the moment.

Speaker 3 I don't think, I've had this conversation before, I don't think English artists are like, I mean, there are some that have the pizzazz of Super Bowl, fireworks, dancers, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 3 But me going up there and being like, here's the A-team, and here's perfect. I just like, no one wants to see that.

Speaker 3 Whereas if there was a show with a lot of that, like say like, if if it was Beyoncé's show and she had all the kind of bells and whistles, and then there was a moment where we sung Perfect together, that makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 But me, I don't know, I can't, I can't picture myself doing it. Can you picture me doing it?

Speaker 1 As you're talking, I'm trying to picture it. Yeah, what if it's like a spotlight

Speaker 3 for 15 minutes?

Speaker 3 You know, I would definitely go on and do it with someone. I think, I think, yeah, just to do the Super Bowl, but I don't think my

Speaker 3 set

Speaker 3 lends itself to that. I don't know.
I just, you know, like you got horses for courses. You got to do what like suits you.

Speaker 1 Don't get it twisted. I really appreciate the self-awareness.
Like most people would be like, call me whenever and put me in.

Speaker 1 You're like, you know, I don't know if I've got that side of the things where I'm like going out and outfit changes.

Speaker 3 I think I could nail one song. I think I could, if someone brings me on, I think I could do it really well for one song.
But I can't.

Speaker 3 Just my the catalogue that I have doesn't really lend itself.

Speaker 3 Have you seen me play as well? Because it's with a loop pedal and you have to build the things. It doesn't really lend itself to the Super Bowl.
Hey, hang on, guys.

Speaker 3 I just got to set this up for two minutes. You know, it doesn't really.

Speaker 1 And also, like, you saying, like, and I come out and I'm singing like 18, like everyone just starts sobbing in the audience and it's like getting in their feels.

Speaker 3 And then they just go and get a beer.

Speaker 3 This is so comfy here.

Speaker 1 Are you, isn't this cozy?

Speaker 3 So comfy.

Speaker 1 I wanted you to feel like you can really rec

Speaker 1 you could take off your shoes. You don't have to take off your shoes, but some people take off the shoes.

Speaker 3 Very clean.

Speaker 1 Okay, don't take off your shoes. Keep your shoes on.

Speaker 1 Ranch dressing.

Speaker 3 I got really into ranch dressing when I lived in Nashville. And then I got really fat.
So I've kind of like eased off the ranch dressing a bit. I'm more of a like balsamic vinegar boy.

Speaker 1 Sorry, what? Yeah. A bell salmon?

Speaker 3 Balsamic vinegar? You've never had that? Oh, balsamic. Oh, right.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 I have this in restaurants where I say water, and they're like, what? Oh, water.

Speaker 1 Water. Wait.

Speaker 1 Say it balsamic?

Speaker 3 Balsamic.

Speaker 1 Oh, my God. I thought you said a balsamic.

Speaker 3 A ball salmon. No, I thought you said a ball sack.

Speaker 1 No, I thought you said a ball salmon.

Speaker 3 Then

Speaker 3 okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, so you're into your balsamic vinaigrette.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Oh, hell yeah.
You know, we have a cider where I'm from in Suffolk that's like... It's like the number one cider in the UK, and it's called Aspels.

Speaker 3 And I was saying that to a friend, and he was like, y'all have a cider called As Balls?

Speaker 3 You never see it.

Speaker 1 It does sound like that. What is it?

Speaker 3 Ass balls. It's like a, it's, well, it's a, it's a cider.
It's like a, oh, you guys would call it a hard cider.

Speaker 1 What is your favorite thing to eat when you're here?

Speaker 3 Chicken wings. But the chicken wings are like the size of my fist.
And when you see the chicken wings in England, they're like, you know, actual chicken wings, but they're quite like meagre.

Speaker 3 And, you know, but here it's like you're

Speaker 3 literally eating steroids.

Speaker 1 So we're pumping them with all that shit, and then we're like eating it and acting like nothing.

Speaker 3 Chicken wings.

Speaker 1 Okay, the best American fast food chain in your opinion.

Speaker 3 Five guys.

Speaker 3 I think everywhere around the world. But I'd say when I'm in America, what a burger in Texas.
I think that that burger bangs the most in terms of all the burgers that I've had. What a burger bangs.

Speaker 3 But if there's it's an American fast food chain around the world,

Speaker 3 I'd usually go five guys. Or I fuck with KFC as well, man.
I really like KFC.

Speaker 1 Have you had In-N-Out?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 I've had In-NOT. I do like In-N-Out,

Speaker 3 but I feel like there needs to be a

Speaker 3 wide lens view on a fast food restaurant, and I don't think In-N-Out's chips bang. Sorry, their fries.
I don't think they bang. Whereas KFC actually do the best fries.
KFC fries bang. What? They bang.

Speaker 1 I don't think so. I've never had their fries.

Speaker 3 Oh, yeah, yeah. I need to go on.
And I think this is about Burger King as well, because I've never really been keen on Burger King's burgers, but their fries are always good.

Speaker 1 Oh, their fries are so fucking good.

Speaker 3 But yeah,

Speaker 3 KFC fries

Speaker 3 bucket. I actually made both kids the night before we stayed at my manager's house, and both my children, the night before, we had a big family bucket.

Speaker 3 That was like our initiative, big family bucket and a bottle of dominus. You know, dominus uh red wine from Nappa, yeah, like really nice wine with a family bucket.

Speaker 1 That is like so high-low. You're like eating KFC and then you're like drinking your nice wine.
You're like, this is life. Okay, how do we feel about Disneyland?

Speaker 3 My kids like Disney. We went to Disneyland, they weren't

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 3 they just weren't fucking with it. And it was sort of like,

Speaker 3 I wanted to sort of see them go, wow, but they were just sort of like,

Speaker 1 I don't know, yeah. I think it's, there is no one that's like, that was fine.
It's either like,

Speaker 1 or I'm getting married there.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think is great.
I think it's great. I think, like, I find anything in life, it has to be those extremities.

Speaker 3 That's what I feel about my music is I either have people that really hate me or really love me. There's no kind of like passive, eh, yes.

Speaker 3 And I think that middle bit is what you have to avoid, that like, yes,

Speaker 3 it's all right. Like you have to be like fanatical about something or like, I don't like that thing.

Speaker 1 So you would rather someone be like, fuck Ed Sheeran rather than be like, he's all right.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's been my entire career. And that's how you have a fan base is

Speaker 3 people

Speaker 3 really ride for you or they really fucking want to take you down.

Speaker 1 Why do you think people don't like you?

Speaker 3 I don't know. I think that sometimes overexposure goes into it, like songs being on the radio too much.

Speaker 3 I think also I don't like necessarily fit the social norm of what a pop star should like look like or act like. And I don't know if that like rubs people up the wrong way that

Speaker 3 I do look like their brother who works at a pizza shop. I feel like people are like, why? Like why has that happened? And maybe that annoys them.
And then you pair that with the overexposure. And

Speaker 1 has anyone ever in the beginning days of your career tried to convince you like wait, let's dress like this and cut your hair like this and do this?

Speaker 3 Totally, yeah. And I think you kind of, I've sort of like slipped into that as well, especially like because of the

Speaker 3 era that I came up in was, you know, Justin Bieber was massive, one direction was massive. And I think there was always part of me that goes, should I

Speaker 3 sort of look like that?

Speaker 1 What would that have looked like? What would we have done?

Speaker 3 I just don't, I don't look like that as a, like, it's like dressing a mannequin that just doesn't need to be dressed like that, you you know so i feel like i always have to stay true to like who i am and also my fan base from the beginning started out kind of misfitty like me and my gigs were just full of people that you know it was like ripped jeans baggy you know converse big shirts uh rather than we're getting clammed up to go out to the gig it might like i've segued into that now that the gigs are bigger and people have got got older but i found being a misfit i attracted misfits yes i do remember the like tumblr era photos of you and those were cool okay

Speaker 1 i liked that side but then i get what you're saying like i couldn't have seen you in like a purple leather get up with like a backwards hat and like yeah yeah yeah i think it's good that you stay maybe when i'm up maybe the super bowl maybe that's when i debut it oh my god you're gonna come out at the super bowl you're gonna have a full leather getup and then the year after you're gonna go right to country music and you're gonna wear a cowboy hat for the rest of your career and actually leather trousers you could reuse them on both.

Speaker 3 Because

Speaker 3 being a cowboy, you got to have some leather there, you know?

Speaker 1 Do you own any leather trousers?

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 Yeah, because I dressed up as Edward Scissorhands for, I did a Christmas, I do a Christmas party every year with my best friends. I'm dressed up as Edward Scissorhands, so I was like full leather.

Speaker 3 How did that go?

Speaker 3 I had to take off the jacket after about 10 minutes. I was like, I am hot.
And bear in mind, this is December in England when it's freezing, and I was still roasting.

Speaker 1 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 3 Yeah, leather trousers aren't.

Speaker 3 I don't fuck with them.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Can we talk about your home in England?

Speaker 3 You built a pub in your garden.

Speaker 1 Explain how, why, what was the inspiration?

Speaker 3 I think, like, there was a local pub that I would always go to, and

Speaker 3 I still do go to it, but there's, you can never really let loose the way that you used to be able to.

Speaker 3 as in my teenage years you know you go to a pub to blow off steam and i think it sort of turned into everyone always knew that I went to this place. So,

Speaker 3 I don't know, you could never really get to the point where you're actually like blowing off steam and proper drunk because you have to kind of keep an eye out on anything, you know, anything could happen.

Speaker 3 Um, so there was a dilapidated barn on my land, so I was like, we could just turn it into a pub. So, I bought an old pub off eBay, like the kind of the counter and the whatever fitting.

Speaker 3 It was on eBay, it was on eBay, yeah. It's on eBay, it was just an old pub that had sort of taken the sort sort of shelving and counter and stuff.

Speaker 3 And then I got all the plumbing, wiring. I don't really even know the pipes put in.

Speaker 3 And it's sort of like, it's a room for memorabilia. I think Cherry was like, eventually, there was so much shit in the house that actually just having it all in one place.

Speaker 3 Like, even just like meeting this.

Speaker 3 Football player and having a shirt sign and having it on the wall like it's better having it there than in the bedroom.

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 1 She's like, take all of your shit.

Speaker 3 It's basically, I have, because there's like a tunnel to it.

Speaker 3 And in the tunnel, there's like, I've built like a listening room and there's a cinema. And that's kind of my, I'd say it's less of like a man cave and more of a man catacombs.

Speaker 1 I love that for you.

Speaker 1 Cherry's like, go and be gone and like do your thing.

Speaker 3 Because I collect movie props too. So I've got like all of that.

Speaker 1 What is your favorite movie prop that you have?

Speaker 3 I'm a huge hook fan. So I bought Robin Williams' pan costume and Rufio's sword and then Julia Roberts's Tinkerbell costume.
So probably those two. How much?

Speaker 1 Above six figures.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. No one knows.
Not one knows. I have done on props before.
Like I bought C-3PO that was

Speaker 3 not cheap.

Speaker 3 Do you regret it? No. I do it every birthday.
I just buy one prop a year and for my birthday,

Speaker 3 like it's like the thing that I look forward to. I think all year, what am I going to get? There's always a movie prop auction around that time.
And yeah, I choose one thing. And

Speaker 1 is there anything out there that you're like, I've got my eye on this?

Speaker 3 Yeah, because the auction's coming up. I'm trying to get the George Clooney Batman costume because everyone doesn't like the Batman and Robin film, but that was my first Batman film that I saw.

Speaker 3 So I have a real like

Speaker 3 draw to that movie. I bought the Alicia Silverstone Batwoman costume from that.
So it would be like a matching.

Speaker 1 Wait, so are you going to these auctions?

Speaker 3 It's online. It's online.

Speaker 1 You're like an eBay guy, huh?

Speaker 3 Yeah. But I spend a lot of time in hotel rooms.

Speaker 3 My main hobby outside of music is movies.

Speaker 3 That's like the only, I do like, I do music, and when I'm not doing music, because it's shows and studio, and I do that pretty much like 95% of the time when I'm not like doing home, family stuff.

Speaker 3 And then if I've got spare moments, I watch movies. So those are like my two passions.

Speaker 1 What are your top three movies?

Speaker 3 Goodfellas, Cool Runnings. And

Speaker 3 this would be like, I don't know if everyone would see this, but I've still watched it every single year. I think Love actually is a masterpiece.

Speaker 3 Every single year I watch that, and every single year I'm not tired of it. And those three films I could watch anytime, any place.

Speaker 3 I'm reading Goodfellas again at the moment. That movie, just, I can't ever tire of it.
Cool Runnings, I can't ever turn it. I've never seen Cool Runnings.
Oh, Cool Runnings is

Speaker 3 a phenomenal film. It's really, really worth watching.
It's kind of humorous, heartwarming. It's not like the Hollywood ending where

Speaker 3 I'm not going to ruin ruin it for you, but

Speaker 3 it's a really, really perfect movie.

Speaker 1 Now I got to watch it. No spoilers.

Speaker 1 Okay, so we're going for the Batman costume.

Speaker 3 Yeah. I'm glad this isn't going to come out within the next two weeks, is it?

Speaker 1 Oh, because you want to make sure you get it?

Speaker 3 I want to make sure I get it, yeah.

Speaker 1 Can you give me a ballpark of how much you're willing to spend?

Speaker 3 I'd go up to six figures for it, I think. Ed.
That's like history, though. It's history.
It's like, you know, someone bought the

Speaker 3 red slippers, Dorothy's red slippers, but they spent like, I think they spent like 25 mil on them.

Speaker 1 Do you wish you had gotten those?

Speaker 3 I have never seen The Wizard of Oz. Yeah, it's on my list, but as soon as I had kids, there were certain films that I was planning on seeing.
I was like, I'll just wait to watch them with my kids.

Speaker 3 But yeah, I've never seen The Wizard of Oz. They get ready.

Speaker 1 It's a great one, but...

Speaker 1 Look at you. You're like ashamed.

Speaker 3 I'm kind of ashamed about it.

Speaker 1 You're allowed to say it. No one can come for you.
You are a movie person. You've been busy.
You're watching other things. That hasn't hasn't been top priority.
Um, does your pub have a name?

Speaker 3 Yeah, it's called the Lancaster Lock. It's basically my mum's maiden name and my wife's mum's maiden name because they both, um

Speaker 3 yeah, I think I wanted to sort of immortalize their maiden names. I feel like even more getting married and having daughters, it's sort of like I I want to preserve

Speaker 3 it's kind of weird, like the old tradition of taking names away and having names there.

Speaker 3 You know, our daughters have both of our last names, and I sort of wanted to preserve my mum's maiden name and my wife's mum's maiden name in something that was permanent.

Speaker 1 That is the like for women around the world listening, everyone's seemed like, yeah, he's a really great guy.

Speaker 1 Because do you know how many men and their like toxic masculinity can't handle the concept of like, what do you mean you're not going to take my last name? Or what do you mean you're not?

Speaker 3 That's how I grew up, though. Yeah.
Because that's the only thing that I knew. Like, my mum had my dad's name and you know, I come from a very large Irish Catholic family.
Sheeran was the name.

Speaker 3 And I think it wasn't until getting married and having daughters where your perception of it shifts. I think you have to like, you can't just be born and just believe things.

Speaker 3 You have to kind of experience and be brought over. And now I very, very much believe that that should be the case, that you should obviously keep both identities when you have children.

Speaker 1 No, I think that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Sorry, I'm obsessed with this pub idea.

Speaker 1 Can you explain to me how many people, like, are you throwing ragers in this thing?

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, but I think if you're throwing a rager, it should be like five people. I think that's like, or like 12, five to twelve people is a really good night.

Speaker 3 I do, we built a chapel on our, on our land and we do like Christmas carols there. And then after the Christmas carols, everyone comes in for like mold wine and mince pies and stuff.

Speaker 3 That's like, we can hold 40 or 50 people, but it's like a crammed space in that.

Speaker 1 Wait, you're not singing Christmas carols all year round. Just you're talking about

Speaker 3 at Christmas, yeah.

Speaker 1 Okay, I know you're all saying, no, every week, we're doing Christmas, or are you?

Speaker 3 No, we do.

Speaker 3 I can't, do you know, it's I know it sounds weird to like sort of build an infrastructure on your property where you don't have to leave it, but I feel like so much that I want there's certain moments you just want to spend with your family and not have someone filming you while you're doing it, especially like whether it's something like that at Christmas or whether it's a memorial or so.

Speaker 3 There's just certain like intimate moments you want to have like that.

Speaker 1 I don't think it sounds weird at all.

Speaker 1 I actually, it's refreshing to hear you're like, in a beautiful way, not that you can't complain about it, but you're like, I'm just going to take matters into my own hands, and I now have the resources and the funds that I'm going to like build this thing so that I can like go to my pub and I can go to the chapel.

Speaker 3 But I let other people enjoy. Like my security guy got married in my chapel and that was like really lovely.
Really, really lovely. So the chapel is like,

Speaker 1 it's there yeah like sign up if you want to get married and we'll let you come by um which celebrity would you like to invite to the garden pub uh

Speaker 3 i

Speaker 3 had a glimpse of what a night with post malone would be like with um we hung out in new york at global citizen festival i actually bought him a uh um

Speaker 3 I found this company that do the huge vinyl dinosaurs that you get at zoos. You know, the ones that are like the size of buildings.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So I've sent him a T-Rex because we were sort of joking about it. And he was just like, Yeah, yeah, send me one whenever I live here.
And it's done and it's going to arrive.

Speaker 3 And he's going to get this fucking huge T-Rex that is just going to... And I've only met him once.
So he's just going to be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 But I feel like because I hung out with him for that amount of time and I can sense the kind of person he is, I think he's going to appreciate it. But I think he would be the hang.

Speaker 3 I'd want a couple of days hanging with him.

Speaker 1 No, Post Malone is like one of those people that when you're in a room with him, even if you're in a a room with him for like a couple minutes, you're immediately like, I need 19 more hours with you.

Speaker 3 This is enough. He's a really sweet guy.
Really sweet guy. He is.

Speaker 1 What is the most embarrassing thing you can recall of just like a drunken night, whether you're with your friends or you're out?

Speaker 3 I've never said this publicly, but I'm going to say it. I was playing a city in Europe.
This is like 2018, 2019.

Speaker 3 And my best mate was out with his mum and his sister. And we sort of of started drinking espresso, not espresso, what they call Cafe Patron.
Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And then I went to bed and I got up in the middle of the night to have a pee

Speaker 3 and I was sleeping naked and I walked out to have a pee and then I hear a door close and I open my eyes and I'm in the corridor naked, no key. It's like 4 a.m.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, oh my God, what am I going to do? And I'm kind of looking round and as I look round, it's like CCTV, CCTV.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, ooh, this is not good and uh there was like room service someone had had room service and i went to go and get the uh napkin and i put the napkin on clicked uh the lift went down to the lobby bear in mind it's like 4 a.m there's like people working in the hotel and i'll just kind of walk with this thing and i was like please can you let me back in my room and please can you not tell anyone about this and my security guard went to go and wipe all the um CCTV.

Speaker 3 Well, he told me he wiped it. He might have, might have kept it for blackmail later on down the line.
But yeah.

Speaker 3 Ed?

Speaker 3 I think that's the most embarrassing thing that i've ever done what was the reaction of the people standing at the front desk it was very much sort of like you could see their eyes widen and be like you're and me going please just don't ask

Speaker 1 and don't tell anyone just the thought of also like you walking down and 4 a.m those people are probably like so not paying attention to what's going on they're like half asleep and then just like ed sharon walks into the lobby naked holding a napkin over yeah yeah just

Speaker 1 did you wake up in the morning and like fully comprehend what you did? Or did you go back to bed easily?

Speaker 3 I went back to bed, yeah, because I was like, nothing's going to change the fact that that just happened, you know? I messaged my security guard and I was like, please, can you wipe the footage?

Speaker 3 It's so bad. Yeah, I was sort of like, nothing's going to change.
And also, like, it's a very human mistake.

Speaker 1 Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. So casual.
Everyone's done that, right? No.

Speaker 3 Everyone could do that, though. True.
Very true. Everyone could do that.
I definitely, I then bought pajamas and I started sleeping in pajamas.

Speaker 1 Every time you're on the road, you're like, put something on my body.

Speaker 1 Well, I don't, do you know what?

Speaker 3 I'm sober at the moment. So that's definitely like helping the not doing stupid shit.

Speaker 1 How is that going?

Speaker 3 Good. I just, you know, I saw the schedule for this year of album release and I was like, because I'm, I'm basically, I'm flying all around the world and then flying home and being dad as well.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I don't want to. I don't want to then add on an extra layer of tiredness on that.
So I'm just going to not drink and be very focused and energized, I guess.

Speaker 1 That's amazing. I feel like that is an

Speaker 1 underrated thing that when you're going so hard with work, that you think that you need like a drink at the end of the night to relax you.

Speaker 1 But then I've been feeling it recently where I'm like, I just wake up feeling like fucking shit. Like there are a lot of people who are winning relax.

Speaker 3 So I get, I get in and I'll put on a movie and actually that sort of does the job because you kind of relax into the movie and then by the end of it, you can just go to sleep rather than being because I also find when you drink, you never really have a proper sleep anyway, because there's so much sugar in your body.

Speaker 1 I have the worst sleeps. And even if you have like one drink, it still is affecting you.
Okay, maybe,

Speaker 1 maybe that's in my future. We'll see.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to be sober for forever, but I've definitely changed my relationship with alcohol because I used to drink every single day. Every single day.

Speaker 3 Not like, I'm not a spirits guy, and I'm not really, I kind of do beer a little bit, but I'm more of like a wine guy at the end of the day.

Speaker 3 But now I'm not doing that. Me and my wife do date night once a week, and I feel like that'll be the time when I do start drinking.

Speaker 3 We'll do a bottle of wine together that night rather than like every single night having to have something.

Speaker 1 I love that for you.

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Speaker 1 I do want to know, what do you think is the biggest like misconception about you?

Speaker 3 I don't really know because I feel like all the misconceptions that are about me,

Speaker 3 people don't, they're people that don't know me. So I think that

Speaker 3 there's lots of things flying about the the internet there's like rumors that also like

Speaker 3 really gather steam because i think that people want to believe them there's all these things that like come out and unless i actually come out and go these things didn't actually happen people just run with it because i think they like they people love negative stories like that and um

Speaker 3 yeah i think that uh

Speaker 3 There's just I think being in the public eye.

Speaker 3 There's just always always a lot of misconceptions about you But I think unless someone actually actually knows me as a person, they can't pass judgment on who I am.

Speaker 3 Do you think you handle being in the public eye well? This has been my life since I was 19. So I think that the first five years, six years of my life, no,

Speaker 3 I really didn't. And I really struggled with it.

Speaker 3 Relationships-wise, not just romantic, but just relationships in my life, friendships, family, everything, like it just, everything shifted. And I know people go,

Speaker 3 you know, when someone becomes famous, they change, they're this, but genuinely I didn't for the first three years.

Speaker 3 I was, I was exactly the same person, and everyone around me changed just in their way of treating me or acting or talking or like leaking things or doing this or doing this.

Speaker 3 And then, and then you start changing and you become a paranoid fucker, and then it all starts sort of like shifting.

Speaker 3 So I think at the beginning, it's that transitional period where you're just trying to work out

Speaker 3 how who you are and whether I am my stage name and that's me the whole time and I'm pop star and I'm this or whether there's like two human beings and I can be

Speaker 3 you know a son to my mum without having to be a pop star or like a husband without having to be a pop star and then sort of like separating the two and I think over the last since COVID really being at home and separating the two and knowing that it's quite it's a really really

Speaker 3 fun

Speaker 3 job

Speaker 3 to dip into you know it's really fun it's really fun to be a pop star for the night and go to the Grammys and sort of be like wow look at everyone but then it's important to be able to go home and be like a regular human being.

Speaker 3 And I think that's why I don't live in Los Angeles because I don't think I would ever switch off. I think I'd always just be pop star.

Speaker 1 I think that makes sense. I think it's healthy for you to have like a good balance.

Speaker 1 Like you're talking about being like, I can go work nine to three and then I go home and I'm like with my daughters and my wife and I'm having like a pretty normal life and then I'm going to the pub in my backyard and then we're going to the lake and then we're going to the chapel and it was a full day and it was like

Speaker 1 but I think you have to create that world for yourself because you're right.

Speaker 1 If you do just keep working, then you are just like Ed Sheeran, where people are thinking you're just like this pop star and you're mega famous and you're so rich. And then it gets to people's heads.

Speaker 1 And it's like, you need to have some semblance of normalcy.

Speaker 3 And honestly, Cherry is the biggest grounding force. Like anytime that anything is a little bit like a little bit too Hollywood, she's like, bro.
God.

Speaker 3 It's, and it's really, and especially because I grew up with her, there's, there's always just a, a lens of suffolk over it of just like come on man like i tried to build a bowling alley in our in our backyard and she was just like come on man you don't you don't need that

Speaker 1 she's like the chapel and the pub are enough are you good at bowling not really

Speaker 3 do you like bowling yeah okay yeah yeah everyone likes bowling yeah yeah yeah i think i'll become good at bowling i think as long as it's not on the property i think she's she's i think she just wants to she doesn't want our kids growing up and it being like you know know the Richie Rich houseworth.

Speaker 3 There's literally McDonald's in the have you seen Richie Rich?

Speaker 1 Yes, but like so long ago classic

Speaker 3 Macaulay Culkin.

Speaker 1 You should do something with like movies. I didn't realize you were this into movies.

Speaker 3 I mean I've got a letter boxed. No one knows I have a letterboxed but I do have a letter boxed.

Speaker 1 Wait

Speaker 1 explain?

Speaker 3 Well, I just review movies online for myself just to log them. Just to see what I've watched.
I have no followers on it. Like it's literally I've just logged the films that I watch.
Ed.

Speaker 3 Wait, what? No one reads it, though. It's just for me to log it.

Speaker 1 Wait, why wouldn't you let it be public? It is public. But no one knows it's you.

Speaker 3 What's your guessing? I guess they'll find out now.

Speaker 3 I think it's more fun for people to find it.

Speaker 3 I watched Gladiator 2, and there's a character in it who's like the really crazy Emperor that has syphilis. Oh my god, yes.
Apparently, based on me. So that is my profile picture.

Speaker 3 Is that Emperor?

Speaker 1 Wait, what?

Speaker 3 I saw an interview with him where he's like, Ridley Scott based his character on me.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I'm offended, you know?

Speaker 3 Or very complimented. Thank you very much, Ridley.
Where was my call?

Speaker 1 Because as a moviegoer, you're like, oh my God, like they're basing something on me. But then that character is like...

Speaker 3 Character was pretty, yeah, obscene.

Speaker 1 Kind of fucking crazy. Okay, wait.

Speaker 1 Would your username, would we be able to find you?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 What is it, like Ed Sheeran?

Speaker 3 No, it's like, it's similar to my Instagram. It's like Teddy.
I think maybe it's Ted's. It's Ted or Teddy's something.

Speaker 1 Oh, I'm going to look it up. Yeah.
Start googling. What is something embarrassing that you used to care about like growing up when you were younger or in your like

Speaker 1 early teens that you don't really care about anymore?

Speaker 3 I think it would be like the older that I've got in the music industry, I think that

Speaker 3 the first like five years of my career, everything worked and went well. And then the first first like song that didn't work or like flopped,

Speaker 3 that was like a real like learning curve for me.

Speaker 3 And I think the older I get, the more I'm like, those moments are going to happen. But it's about the kind of overall catalogue that you're building.
And

Speaker 3 I think my rule has just always been make music that I can stand behind. Sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't.
But as long as I like it, that's kind of all that matters.

Speaker 3 And yeah, I think I used to be quite embarrassed about that when I was like 24, 25, because obviously like it's never fun putting a load of work into something that, and then you put it out there on the line and you're like, this has to work.

Speaker 3 And then when it doesn't, I think at the time there was like a transitional period of me sort of living with that.

Speaker 3 And now I think that I, it's kind of like what I'm saying about like these pop-ups and stuff like that. Like my rule for everything now is I just have to really enjoy it.

Speaker 3 And then the success or not success kind of comes secondary to that.

Speaker 1 I think that's beautiful because I feel like also as a creative, you have to know that sometimes you don't need extreme success to enjoy what you're doing because sometimes as long as you actually really believed in it.

Speaker 3 Well, that's the whole point. That's why we get into it, isn't it?

Speaker 3 That's the whole point of it. And I think that

Speaker 3 also it's about like realistic expectations. I think that my second and third record, and first to a point, but second and third record was so big that it's

Speaker 3 you know aiming for that every single time is just not realistic. And they both happened kind of by accident.
It just clicked.

Speaker 3 And so it's just something will click, something won't click, something will click.

Speaker 3 Like there's so many songs in my career that I didn't expect to do well that ended up becoming massive over time that it's again, just make shit you like, put it out.

Speaker 3 You have to give it the best opportunity as well. You have to work every single song the same as you worked all the other songs and sign the talk, the rest follows.

Speaker 1 What is the song that surprised you the most that popped off that you're like, what the actual fuck?

Speaker 3 I put out a song called Afterglow that charted at like 92,

Speaker 3 and it was the first time anything that I'd put out within that 10-year period had charted outside the top 10. And I remember being like, oh, oh my God.

Speaker 3 And then over time, it climbed to number two and ended up having, it's almost like half a billion streams now.

Speaker 3 But it's such a like, it's such a learning curve of just like, sometimes you just got to let things sit and then they find their audience.

Speaker 3 And I close my set with that now. It's like a really important song within my set list, but I remember that week being like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 Why? Because did you not love it as much when you know?

Speaker 3 I loved it. It's just like going, when I just saw it going at 92, I was like, oh,

Speaker 3 maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 That's a nice feeling, though, right? Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 Let's talk about your tattoos. Do you have any, like, what do you think of all of your tattoos, What has the best story behind it for you?

Speaker 3 They've all got stories, really. I think my left arm is my first five years of my career.
My right arm is kind of the next five years. And then I got my chest and back done.

Speaker 3 And my back is kind of the most recent one.

Speaker 3 I got my kids' footprints, like, the week that they were born. So I quite like that because they're tiny.
And obviously, they're a lot bigger now.

Speaker 3 My legs have actually started being my kids' drawing books. So my daughter's just done a little bunny rabbit for my leg, and you can put like the date of it.
It's quite nice seeing it.

Speaker 1 Wait, does she come up to you and be like, dad, get this as a tattoo? Or are you like going and looking at their drawings and be like, genius?

Speaker 3 And going. Sort of that, yeah, sort of that.
Now she's like, she'll draw something and be like, get it as a tattoo. But yeah, I think I'm going to get one each for each of them every year.

Speaker 1 Is there ever a tattoo you've wanted to remove?

Speaker 3 I think if I was to remove one, I'd remove all of them. I think that I kind of believe that about tattoos is you're either a tattoo person or you're not.

Speaker 3 And I, yeah, I think if I was going to remove, I'd go completely nothing. Or, because I kind of see it as one tattoo.
It's like one long story. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Beautiful.

Speaker 1 Okay, you and Taylor Swift have been friends for decades. I'm a big Swifty.

Speaker 1 What has been your favorite memory together?

Speaker 3 That's a good one.

Speaker 3 Do you know what? I have this.

Speaker 3 I was in these court cases for like two years. Well, I mean, a lot longer than two years, but there was one each year.

Speaker 3 And I had to go through all my old devices to give them like you know voice notes and blah blah blah for the lawyers to have and going through all my old texts with people that I've known for that for that long.

Speaker 3 It was really like nostalgic going through and I think that the period of time that I was on the Red Tour would have been you know I lived in Nashville and she lived in Nashville and we used to fly to and from the gigs together and do all sorts of I don't know.

Speaker 3 I was literally spent almost every single day with her for about six months. So I think that period of time,

Speaker 3 and I do, you know, I see her when I see her. I probably see her like four times a year.

Speaker 3 And we do what I said, like instead of catching up the whole time, we have like proper sit-down, six-hour catch-ups. And I think that that's like a really nice way to do it.

Speaker 3 But I think that period, yeah, 2013.

Speaker 1 It's beautiful.

Speaker 1 Okay, which of your love songs is your wife's favorite?

Speaker 3 Oh, it's actually track 13. It's the last track on this new record.

Speaker 3 And it wasn't, it was meant to be a 12 track album and there was this song that from the beginning of writing it she was obsessed with and she kept being like is it on their album is it on the album and i was just like i'd played it to lots of people and it didn't have the same reaction as as everything else and in the end i just gifted it to her and i just went i'm just going to put this on just for you and you can you can name it what you want to name it and like yeah so so that i think is her favorite and yeah it just exists because of her basically wait that's so sweet wow that's so nice to just be like yeah, I told my husband to put it on, so it's just for me.

Speaker 3 It came from, I spent a bit of time working with Bono from U2, and he gifted this song called, you know, The Sweetest Thing? Oh, The Sweetest Thing. He gifted that to his wife.

Speaker 3 He missed, I think he forgot her birthday. And then he wrote a song for her and then just said, You can just have this song.
And like, all the proceeds go to like a charity of her choice and stuff.

Speaker 3 And so I had heard that story hanging out with him and his wife. And I came home and told Cherry that.
And yeah, I think it kind of was born out of that.

Speaker 1 That is beautiful.

Speaker 1 You have obviously written so many songs for huge artists. Is there any song that you wish you had kept for yourself?

Speaker 3 No, because I think that they all have their own space and stories and I do honestly believe that like a song like Little Things for One Direction does not exist in the same way if I sing it, that they sing it.

Speaker 3 I think it came at like a pivotal point of their career and was what it was. And I think same thing for like

Speaker 3 I don't know,

Speaker 3 Love Yourself with Justin. I think it came at, it came after What Do You Mean and Sorry, and it was like stripped back and the perfect point.
I don't think if I'd have sung it, it'd be the same.

Speaker 3 And East Side with Paul's and Cleed, it was like Benny's first single. I think if I'd have released that, that wouldn't have been.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I think they all

Speaker 3 hold their own

Speaker 3 space, I guess. And if I'd have done it, maybe I wouldn't have done it properly.
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Is there any song of yours that you are secretly sick of playing?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 Honestly, no. And I think that it goes back to what I was saying: of like, you have to be able to stand behind it.

Speaker 3 I think if you compromise yourself in music to like do a certain thing, like reach a certain fan base or like whatever, and you can't stand behind it, if it doesn't work, then you've kind of failed in your mission because you've made it to work.

Speaker 3 And if it works, then you have to play it for the rest of time. So I'm very, very careful that everything that I make,

Speaker 3 I have to be confident enough to sing it forever. And also, if even if you've sung a song 2,000 times, it's always different every time you play it with the crowds.

Speaker 3 So, so yeah, I'm not really sick of playing anything, really.

Speaker 1 Okay, let's break down some of your lyrics. Okay, I'm gonna give you a lyric, and you're gonna tell me the meaning behind it or any story.
Okay,

Speaker 1 he's got his eyebrows plucked and his asshole bleached.

Speaker 3 What are you referring to ed oh my god uh

Speaker 3 yeah i do you know what that's a song called new man and um

Speaker 3 i actually haven't heard those i haven't sung that song in years um

Speaker 3 it's basically i don't know it was a 27 year old's take on

Speaker 3 that you know like being being the ex-boyfriend and sort of I don't know.

Speaker 1 I think it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I wrote that with Jesse Ware, actually. We had a lot of fun writing those lyrics because it was all just kind of like throwing out stuff that we all thought was a bit like funny.

Speaker 1 Have you ever had an ex call you out for writing a song about them?

Speaker 3 Of course, yeah. Of course.
But I'm a songwriter. Like, I always say, like, and I've dated songwriters in the past as well.

Speaker 3 And it's kind of one of those things that I've got to be able to take it as well as write it. And I think that,

Speaker 3 you know, it's the good and good and bad. And also, like, writing songs is

Speaker 3 the two extremes.

Speaker 3 it's the same thing you can't write a song about a feeling that's like yeah my day was all right today and i can't write about it either is like i am the most in love that i've ever been or i am the you know most hurt or blah but it's like two extremes and those those are the things that come out and also those things that connect with people so you know you can listen to an artist's songs and be and be like well they only really they're either like they either love someone really much or they hate someone but those are the times that you write songs that actually feel

Speaker 3 something yeah you know So, um, so yeah, I've definitely had,

Speaker 3 I wouldn't even say arguments, conversations.

Speaker 3 Um, and I think that because I've been a songwriter since I was 11, that anyone that I've been romantically involved with at least knows that you take the good with the but because you're going to like there

Speaker 3 will be both sides. You will, you will get both sides, you know.

Speaker 1 Would you often, back in the day, would you just like press upload or were you ever giving people a heads up?

Speaker 3 It was yeah, I've always given people heads up up unless I haven't been in touch with them anymore.

Speaker 3 I mean, obviously, there's like breakups of people you just don't speak to anymore, but yeah, there's

Speaker 3 yeah,

Speaker 3 I feel like I have a good enough relationship with my exes that, yeah, you could be like, hey, a banger's coming, get ready.

Speaker 1 This one slaps. You want to hear it?

Speaker 3 They're like, fuck you. Yeah, fucking hell.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 They say I'm up and coming like I'm fucking in an elevator.

Speaker 3 I wrote that when when I was 15.

Speaker 3 I was really proud of that line.

Speaker 1 It's pretty good. Thank you.
It's pretty good. What headspace do you think you were in when you wrote that?

Speaker 3 I loved rap battles. I loved rap battles.
So

Speaker 3 I would be watching like online.

Speaker 3 There was a couple of like leagues in the UK. There was Jump Off and Don't Flop.
And those were the two that I would like watch as a teenager. And it was all about.

Speaker 3 metaphors and similes and just saying clever shit line after line and punch lines and stuff. So, I would, that was, I was in a phase of writing songs where I was just trying to fit in punchlines.

Speaker 3 And when I wrote that, it went down so well at gigs from the age of 15 as well. Everyone's just like, oh, that song.
But it just kind of stayed in.

Speaker 3 It's quite weird, actually, singing that song as a 34-year-old,

Speaker 3 having written it at 15, because you're singing it, and like, this is so different to how I am now.

Speaker 3 Even like, I have lines, and I'm like, I spit fast, I know that all my shit's cool, I will blast, and I never went to Brit school, and like I'm singing it as a 34-year-old-year-old dad now on stage.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 yeah, I just don't know if I believe this anymore.

Speaker 1 You're like, oh, yeah, 15-year-old me, I've really people love it, though.

Speaker 3 People love it, you know.

Speaker 1 But I feel like that's what's fun, though, is that you still will play those type of, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 Like, I love the fact that I closed my show with a song that I wrote when I was 15.

Speaker 3 It's like there, it's like a kind of really nice full-circle moment because I used to play that song to no one, and now you close a stadium with it.

Speaker 1 Still, it's the same song same setup everything pretty amazing yeah it's fun okay um azzi zomb i want to get lost in your ocean and drown this obviously is a lyric from your new single what are you talking about ed

Speaker 3 um i think with that song it was uh

Speaker 3 It kind of just all felt really, really fun and immersive. I think that's where the ocean thing came from, is just like immersing yourself in the night.

Speaker 3 That line definitely had some people in my circle being like, do you really need to say drown?

Speaker 3 I don't know.

Speaker 3 It sounded good. Sometimes that's all that counts in the studio.
Does it sound good?

Speaker 1 And what does Azizam mean?

Speaker 3 Azizam is Farsi and it means my dear or my love. The guy that I made the tune with Ilya is Persian and we were literally in the studio.

Speaker 3 We were just trying different things and he was like, would you ever do something Persian influenced? And he just sort of led me on this journey.

Speaker 3 We've got like footage of the moment where he's like, I'm like, what's like my love in Farsi? And he's like, oh, as he's am. And I was like, that's a fucking cool word.

Speaker 3 And you kind of like, it really like, it's a, it's a really fun song.

Speaker 1 Well, it's funny because when I was listening to it, it's awesome, but I like hear it the way that you sing it of like, well, I'm not even going to fucking try, but like how you kind of.

Speaker 1 leave like a pause where you like, ah, zomb.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Okay.
Okay.

Speaker 1 Moving on. That was embarrassing.

Speaker 3 Did you like the songs?

Speaker 1 They're amazing. They're so good.

Speaker 1 Okay. Can we talk about your wife, though? You guys met in high school and then you didn't start dating until much later.
How did you reconnect?

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 3 started employing like my best mate on tour.

Speaker 3 So I kind of went through

Speaker 3 periods of time on tour. Like I'm a solo artist and I don't have a band.
So and I'm very much like, I would just tour on my own.

Speaker 3 I would obviously like I have a crew, but my crew were like 50-year-old blokes. So there's only so much

Speaker 3 bonding you can do, I think. And I got intensely lonely and burnt out.
And yeah, I remember I spoke to my mate. She grew up opposite me, Lauren.
And she'd just left university.

Speaker 3 She now like works in tour management on my tour and stuff and has been doing it for 10, 10 years. But she was very much, I guess, worried about me and just came on tour, started working on tour.

Speaker 3 And then we were in New York, and her sister was living with Cherry. And I had had,

Speaker 3 you know moments with Cherry when when we were younger

Speaker 3 and I guess like we just kind of reconnected and picked up where we left off I guess and it's one of those things where I wasn't really expecting it to happen I kind of just got out of a relationship I was on tour for God knows how long and it just felt really I was sort of like unless I do this it I will always regret it.

Speaker 3 So I just sort of jumped in and yeah, best decision I think I've made.

Speaker 1 You have two daughters. How has your life changed since becoming a father?

Speaker 3 Very dramatically, actually. Very dramatically.
I think just,

Speaker 3 I mean, even just not being a fucking maniac with drink and drugs or smoking or, you know, I exercise now, never exercise before.

Speaker 3 I get up in the morning. Rather, I used to sleep till like 4 p.m.
Like I'm, it really has changed dramatically.

Speaker 3 And just in the way that I'm home more and my work schedule is based around them rather rather than based around me. That's incredible.

Speaker 1 Do you sing to them? Like, do they understand?

Speaker 3 Of course, yeah, of course. It's usually Moana.

Speaker 3 Like,

Speaker 3 it's usually just me singing Moana. Yeah, they like, I have a song on the album called Sapphire that they love.
So it's either Moana or Sapphire. Moana, by the way, top fucking tier Disney music.
Oh.

Speaker 3 Top tier.

Speaker 1 Absolutely. Do you just like walk around the house and sing that to them?

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 All the songs actually. And Moana too, actually.
When I went to go and see it, I wasn't like straight away enamored with the songs. And now those songs are my favorite songs, too.

Speaker 3 Which one is your favorite? Putting me on the spot here. Probably the Chi-Hoo song.

Speaker 1 What does that sound like?

Speaker 3 Can I get a Chi-Hoo? That one. Who were you? Who were you going to be?

Speaker 3 Gonna make some history. Come on up.
Moana. Go get your desk.

Speaker 3 Mate, my children fucking love it.

Speaker 1 Oh, that's good.

Speaker 3 And they've got the, we went to go and see Mufasa, and they love the brother song. Oh.
Coincidentally, same writer as Moana 1. So, yeah, it's all in Manuel Miranda.

Speaker 1 You're going to be singing it up. Your kids are in heaven over there.
They're lucky. That's nice to have.

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Speaker 1 Right now we have a single out. Is there more coming?

Speaker 3 Yep. I have a

Speaker 3 my my idea was because the album is so broad i didn't want to just be like here's the single here's the album so they're kind of there's music coming every sort of like two three weeks so there's asyzam now there's a song called old phone that comes out in a couple of weeks and then after that there's another song that come and we shot all these videos and i i i'm less about like single moments and more about I want people to sort of feel the breadth of the record and I'm very confident that one of the songs will work

Speaker 3 but it's more about just putting them out and letting people hear some of the record before it's out rather than what I've done before is just like here's my first single here's the album and yeah how is this music different than everything you've put out before or is it uh yeah it's definitely different I think I've been more explorative with this with this album I've kind of had an attitude of why the fuck not like and not really felt like I have to be in a box of being a singer-songwriter of like I have to do this or I have to do that and I lived in India for a little bit and worked with a load of Indian musicians and producers and blah blah blah obviously I've made a song like Azizam with Ilya who's Persian and that's in that world and

Speaker 3 Oldphone I think is more in a Nashville country world and there's just lots of different moments on the record and the the record is called play and therefore it has to be playful, it has to be celebratory.

Speaker 3 I released two albums that are kind of on well, one was the sort of main album and one sort of came off off the back of it but they were both very like

Speaker 3 very depressing about quite hard-hitting subjects very muted um i still think they're beautiful records but i feel like coming out of the that of having you know going through grief and all of that sort of stuff coming out i needed to have something that felt bright and colorful and playful and that's where doing St.

Speaker 3 Patrick's Day, playing at Tootsies in Nashville, doing the New Orleans thing, the whole record just has to feel like fun and exciting.

Speaker 1 How do you avoid writer's block?

Speaker 3 I think you just write all the time. I think you have to, I think writer's block is actually fear of being shit rather than

Speaker 3 because I think everyone can write. You have to just sit down and write, but you have to accept that sometimes it's shit and it's not good enough.
And I think that I just write and write and write.

Speaker 3 Sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's great.

Speaker 3 And sometimes it will be a song that you keep. And I think if you do that year in, year out, you're left at the end of the year with like 10, 11 songs that are really great.

Speaker 3 And then you can actually start forming an album.

Speaker 1 It's really interesting to hear you talk about like the way that you're approaching projects, albums essentially, but they're projects in your brain of like this one was like more intense, so now this needs to feel more fun and like I can feel that energy from you.

Speaker 1 Okay, Ed, last question.

Speaker 1 What do you want your legacy in music to be?

Speaker 3 I would love

Speaker 3 for it to seem possible to any kid out there that just wants to pick up an acoustic guitar. I think that the

Speaker 3 thing, I think the thing that's jarring about me to people is also the thing that creates hope because I am a regular dude who picked up an acoustic guitar, who's not from a major city, who made it happen by going out there.

Speaker 3 And I would love for all kids to go, fuck, I could probably do that too, rather than feel like it's an impossible thing.

Speaker 3 Because it's really not. It's really not.
I think that it's... I couldn't sing.
There's footage of me online.

Speaker 3 Have you seen it?

Speaker 3 but now I'm gonna Google it where I can't sing. Um, I mean, we could play, we could play it now.

Speaker 1 Wait, you can't see it, you couldn't sing it's got type in Ed Sheeran Addicted.

Speaker 3 It's me when I'm 14 singing, but then it's that bad, it's bad, but then I like practiced and became

Speaker 3 you can actually just find the

Speaker 3 online. Yeah, someone leaked all my old EPs, which I guess shows progress.

Speaker 3 Listen to it, you can fast forward it a little bit. I've got an intro because I love an intro.

Speaker 3 shit.

Speaker 1 Here we go.

Speaker 1 I think I took too much.

Speaker 3 It's alright, you wait.

Speaker 3 I'm addicted to your

Speaker 3 talk.

Speaker 1 But I'm not.

Speaker 1 You sound like little baby Ed. Wait, that's cute.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but it's not like... It's not professional standard, is it? Oh, no.
That's what I'm saying. We can turn it off now.

Speaker 3 But I'm saying, like,

Speaker 3 I didn't know how to sing in tune. And then I taught myself how to sing in tune by practicing.
So

Speaker 3 honestly, when I go into talks at, like, music schools and to kids and stuff, I always play that and go, because everyone just assumes that you're born and

Speaker 3 you just got it. And you can teach yourself.
I taught myself. Well, I didn't teach myself how to play guitar, but I learned how to play guitar.
I learned how to perform.

Speaker 3 I learned how to perform in front of lots of different crowds. I learned how to songwrite.
I learned how to sing.

Speaker 3 And I'd love my legacy to be any kid anywhere, literally anywhere, goes, I can do that too. Because I think that that's like music's, music is a thing that it's also for

Speaker 3 kids that aren't good at other things, who don't have a lot of self-worth or self-confidence.

Speaker 3 If they start music in any form in poetry or singing or instruments or even like work in a studio or whatever, it gives you so much like worth and confidence in yourself as a human being.

Speaker 3 And I think that in school, there's so much like importance put on You must be good at this subject and you must be good at this subject to actually be a good human being and to go out in the world and achieve.

Speaker 3 And I just wasn't good at anything as a kid and I didn't have a lot of self-worth because of that. And I felt like I was stupid.
And music was, I was only good at music. And that became my career.

Speaker 3 And I think when I go into schools and stuff and talk to people, I'm like, you only need one thing that you're good at. And then that is you for life.

Speaker 3 You find one thing, you work really hard at it, then that is your career. And I think that that I would love for my legacy to be.

Speaker 1 I think that is so beautiful. And I appreciate you bringing up the concept of like kids looking at celebrities and musicians and actors and anyone in the arts.

Speaker 1 Like it seems like this far away concept.

Speaker 1 And you have made it feel like achievable in a way that can be actually like everyday motivating for a person being like, I'm one step away from my gorgeous cover going on YouTube and sounding like Ed, and then look where you are.

Speaker 3 But then not being embarrassed about that phase of your life, because another thing that I've found in my career is I've learned everything from my failures and nothing from my success.

Speaker 3 It's not like I was on stage at Wembley Stadium being like, I'm learning a lot from this. I learned everything on the way to there.

Speaker 3 And I think that what that shows is actually failing at something is good, because then I learned how to sing after then. And there's so much like importance nowadays on

Speaker 3 just even on social media about like succeeding and showing you're doing well and like not being in but like the embarrassment of something failing or flopping when actually all of those things every single artist in the world has played to two people in a room and sucked every single and that is a really important um stepping stone and everyone has written songs that have released that other people didn't like that's an important stepping stone it's all about like learning from failures rather than just always your career just can't do this the whole time you can't just get bigger and bigger and bigger better and better.

Speaker 3 Everything works because that's just not real life. It's about like

Speaker 3 picking yourself up after the failures and trying again rather than giving up.

Speaker 3 I again always say, sorry to bang on about education stuff, but I think with anything, it's important that when you have that thing that you love,

Speaker 3 that you want to do, don't give yourself a plan B. Because if you have a plan B and it gets really difficult and starts failing, you will always revert to the plan B.
And if you have plan A,

Speaker 3 at all points, you go, this has to work. And even at the the points where you fail, like I've done really terrible shows where

Speaker 3 there was a show that I did in Exeter where it was like, I think like 60 quid to get down there on a train, but I had a rucksack full of back

Speaker 3 C Ds. And I was like, do you know what? If I sell seven C D's, I've made my money back and a tenor.
So all I need to do is sell seven C D's of this gig. And I got to the gig, no one turned up.

Speaker 3 I waited too long. to see if people had turned up and then I missed my train home and I had to sleep at the train station.
And in that moment, it's like 18, 19, I was like, why am I doing this?

Speaker 3 Like, all my friends have just gone to university. Some of them have gone out to get jobs.
They're actually like on their path. And I feel like I'm not

Speaker 3 achieving anything. And in that moment, my head just went, but this is the only thing you can do.
So just keep doing it and hope it will work.

Speaker 3 And I think that in that moment, had I had a plan B, I would have gone, cool, I'll just, I'll go and do, I'll go and do that now. You must find that, though.
I mean, you're hugely successful.

Speaker 3 You must have just been like, this is going to work.

Speaker 1 Well, I,

Speaker 1 yes. And I relate a lot to that of not having a plan B.
And then people, whether it was like making fun of you for it or you feeling like, why am I not doing a traditional? Like, I remember being

Speaker 1 in college, and all the girls were taking courses that were like finance and all that. And I was like in the film school and everyone was like, where is that going to get you?

Speaker 1 And a lot of times I was like, I don't know. But those feelings,

Speaker 1 you know, in you what you actually love.

Speaker 3 the people making fun of you as well I feel because that is a huge thing.

Speaker 3 It's like it's it's so easy for other people to like make fun of someone for taking a risk and and doing something and I I actually think it comes from like an internal thing of

Speaker 3 when they say what's she doing she can't do that. It's actually because in their own head they can't do it and they haven't got the thing that goes, you know, fuck it.
I'm just going to do this.

Speaker 3 Fuck what other people think.

Speaker 3 And it's it's like almost a taking the piss out of you for even dreaming about it because why the fuck would you dream about being successful like just do do your plan b i think it's like almost a scary thing sometimes for that and i got mate i had none of my mates even my best friends now none of them really came to the first gigs i did it wasn't until it started like catching steam that suddenly people were like i'm not saying like all my mates but a large amount of my mates who are now my best friends and have you know have been since since school i had my

Speaker 3 one of my best friends who literally, like, you know, he's godfather of one of my kids. Uh, when I was a teenager, rung me up pretending to be Zayn Lowe and was like,

Speaker 3 Zayn Lowe worked on Radio One at the time and had this thing called Hottest Record in the World, where he would like debut a new record of an unsigned artist.

Speaker 3 And he rung me up pretending to be Zayn Lowe. And then all of, you know, he had all my other mates on the phone and they were all laughing down the phone.
And I was like,

Speaker 3 you know, stuff like that.

Speaker 1 That is traumatizing.

Speaker 3 I was so crazy. And then four years later, guess what? I'm the hottest record in the world on Zayn Lowe.

Speaker 3 That's so crazy.

Speaker 1 You can never let them forget. I'm like, little fuckers never came to my shows in the beginning.
Fuck you.

Speaker 3 I mean, one, my mate, Zach, real one. Zach always came to the shows.
Zach?

Speaker 1 There's always one.

Speaker 3 Shout out, Nick.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 that is such a beautiful message to leave this on because I can imagine there's so many people watching this right now that are either like gonna quit the job because they're not making enough and they hate it and they're like, Okay, I'm just gonna like not pursue it anymore and I'll just go do what like my parents had wanted me to do or there's someone that is like doing something in this moment that people are making fun of them for or they feel let down and they feel like there's no way to actually get to what they want.

Speaker 3 This is like I think it all comes down to it all comes down to enjoyment though.

Speaker 3 Cause I think if you're still enjoying what you do, because even though I did that Exeter gig and no one turned up for it, I was still playing music that night rather than doing something I didn't want to do.

Speaker 3 So I think there will come difficult times in everyone's careers, but as long as you love what you do, you've always got that at the end of the day. But I'd say if you're in a job that you don't love,

Speaker 3 like try and find something that you love. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Go for your passion and make it your job if you can.

Speaker 1 Ed, this has been...

Speaker 1 So fun.

Speaker 1 I wish I could talk to you for like 10 more hours because I feel like we could do one an entire podcast on just movies in general you could do it again i know we could do it again maybe i'll see you again i would love to do a movie one i would sit here with you and geek out over a movie because i'm a movie girl too like i'm full movies have you seen the florida project yes just literally just watched that the other night oh my god

Speaker 3 did you seeonora of course yeah yeah yeah but i hadn't really heard of sean baker before then so then i went back and did like tundereen and the florida project and but florida project like I haven't cried like that at a movie for just at the end with the little girl.

Speaker 1 I was just like, no, he's so fucking talented um thank you for taking the time i know you're running on like two hours of sleep and you were great so thank you thank you thank you

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