Jack Harlow: I’m *Not* Vanilla Baby (FBF)

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Hi.

How could someone simply saying hi make you immediately like them?

A tough one.

I don't know if I could describe myself on camera.

I'm self-proclaiming myself as the best rapper in the world right now, right here.

I think Jack Harlow shit kind of hard.

I'm like, oh, Jack Harlow does mention my name in the song.

This new Jack Harlow.

It's currently going viral right now.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

What is up, Daddy Gang?

It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy, Daddy, Daddy.

Jack Harlow, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

Thank you.

I am so happy you made it from Vegas.

Me too.

That was like a close call.

Couldn't wait to get out of there.

Just like not the vibe to be in Vegas all the time.

Shit, it's not the vibe anytime.

Were you there for 24 hours?

I was there for business, yeah.

Business.

No pleasure.

Oh, you know.

I take pleasure in business sometimes, but yeah, I know what you're asking me.

No, you didn't meet any ladies.

I didn't spend any money, no.

Okay, okay, good to know.

I want to go back to the beginning because I'm like, already you sitting in this chair, Jack.

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They all have a crush, but today we're gonna make them really fall in love.

I can tell, okay?

So, we need to get to know you, okay?

So, we're gonna go back to the very beginning.

You grew up in Kentucky, born and raised.

That's right,

you just moved back.

Yeah,

tell me, why is your hometown so

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Talk to me about your hometown and what it means to you.

Ah, gosh, where do I start?

I mean, growing up listening to rap music,

you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up.

And I was just like, damn, like, Louisville needs that.

And so

it became a priority to me.

Yeah.

And

I love where I'm from.

I just love it.

I love it.

That's why I'm there.

It just makes me happy.

And I think it's like

it's slow and it's laid back.

A little different than LA.

Yes, very.

Very, very.

Is it?

Okay, you just said, like, you kind of like roll it off the tongue.

You're like, Louisville.

Is it Louisville?

You almost got it.

You almost got it.

I'd say locally, it's the Ville is more vaule.

Vol.

Louisville.

Louisville.

Louisville.

Louisville.

It kind of's just like in the throat.

You're just like, oh.

Yeah.

Yeah, it just, it's just

Louis.

It's buttery.

It's syrupy.

Yeah.

But like, if you hear people say Louisville, do you give a shit?

Well, not deeply.

And I'm beyond my like correcting it stage.

Yeah.

It's just, it's not tasteful, but you peep it, you notice.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, because I, so I, my friends both went to college there, like my good friends.

And then when I went for a wedding last year,

I was trying to suss out the vibe because I was like, I want to say Louisville, but like, I was trying to not like embarrass myself.

So, I just said Louisville.

But then you just said I said it right.

So, I'm going to just keep saying Louisville.

Louisville.

Louisville.

Louisville.

Yeah, you're there.

You're there.

What do you think is the biggest misconception people have about Kentucky?

It's a good question.

It's really good.

I see why you're in the position you're in.

You know what to do.

I'm just getting started.

You know what to do.

Trust me, I believe it.

Well, I'll tell you specifically, the city I'm from feels very misunderstood, I think,

in terms of like a national identity because Kentucky is so dominantly rural.

And Louisville is like a full-blown city, like

with a downtown, tall buildings, like hundreds of thousands of people live there.

I think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason.

So Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions.

I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye.

Yeah, there is.

Like you.

What were you like as a kid?

Hmm.

I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot.

What'd you read?

Novels on novels.

I was really into Harry Potter.

I just read.

I remember there was this series.

I'm glad you asked, so I have a chance to shout it out.

It's called Warriors.

It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes and that just had me fucking hooked.

I was just, yeah, I was deep in it.

So

I just loved books.

I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature in my early life.

I heard hip-hop for the first time.

I was like,

shit, this rhythm mixed with expressing myself.

It was just.

I didn't realize you were a Harry Potter Stan.

Can we talk about that for a second?

Well, I'm not a Stan, but yes.

Then what the fuck are you?

Fuck it, I'm a stan.

Let's go.

I just said, oh, you're like easily persuaded.

I'm easy.

Yeah.

You're easy.

Peer pressure.

Let's go, Jack.

The whole time.

Easily.

I'm very influenced.

Who's your favorite?

Of the Harry Potters?

Yeah.

The characters?

Yeah.

Who was that Asian girl you were fucking with?

She was like there for a second.

She had me.

me.

She had me weak.

I can't lie.

She had me open reading that shit.

The details, J.K.

Rowling used to bring it.

I was in there, nine years old, pants tightening up.

I'm like, what the fuck is happening to me?

Do you think the first time you jerked off was when you were like at the 16th chapter and you were like, all right, I got to put the book down.

I'm getting hard.

Nah, I know what the first time I beat my dick was.

Share with the class, Jack.

Damn, I just realized I've been waiting for a chance.

Just right opportunity.

Jimmy Fallon ain't want to talk about it.

No one wants to talk about that shit.

They'll bleep it out.

They'll cut it.

Somehow, this is right up your alley.

This will be the whole promo.

This will be it.

I just remember.

I just remember.

I remember the first time I tried to go there,

it rose and it was like the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that I got all the way to near climax and stopped.

I think I was 12 years old in middle school and I just stopped because I was like, I don't know what's going to happen if this busts.

And so I went to sleep.

I just went to sleep.

And the next time I'm like, fuck it, I'm going all the way.

And I became an ocean.

Do you remember that feeling?

Like, what did you think to yourself?

I thought, God damn, I get it.

This shit's all right.

I love how you gave yourself blue balls for like the first time.

I was terrified.

I don't know, because it just was rising and rising and rising.

I'm like, where are we going?

Great feeling.

You said that you weren't allowed to play video games.

What was your house like growing up?

Like, what was the dynamic?

Who's in your house?

What's going on?

My two parents who love each other deeply to this day, and my little brother.

Oh, nice.

I owe a lot to my parents.

I got good parents.

You do?

Yeah.

And they're still together.

They are.

Deeply in love.

Wow.

So are you kind of like a romantic guy?

You know, I was for a while.

Oh, what happened?

I don't know.

I'm just deeply in my batch, in my batch stage right now.

Like, not that I'm, I'm not, I'm not, like, necessarily cutthroat.

I just, like,

I think when I was 21, I just seeked so much validation,

and

it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special.

And it was almost like, well, how many can I make feel special?

Just to be honest.

And

I think I didn't want to sleep by myself.

Like, I need, and if I was, I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone to fall asleep on FaceTime.

And something shifted where I want my space more than ever.

And

I'm as transparent as I've ever been.

And I'm just

telling what it is.

And I don't fucking, I'm not worried.

If it's not right for the other person, it's like, let's keep moving.

Yeah.

Peace out.

So it's a different stage.

I think something in the last like 12 months, probably, something shifted.

I think I know it shifted, but we'll get there.

Okay, so.

You can't wait to hear your diagnosis.

Yeah, yeah.

Don't worry.

We're going full diagnosis.

This is a therapy session, just so you know.

Are you in therapy?

I am.

Okay, good.

Well, this is an extended version.

Good.

You can tell your therapist, we don't need our session this week.

I sit down with Alex.

Yeah, it's already canceled.

You said that you were like, you were looking for validation.

Talk to me about what you were like in high school.

Did you get the girls?

Were you a loser?

Were you bullied?

Were you the bully?

What was going on?

I could always get

the girl I wanted.

It's not like I was like,

I didn't have my way across the board, but

I could get the cute girl okay I could get the cute girl I was I was well liked in high school what were your friends like I feel like that kind of like were you like an athlete guy were you a like chess player were you in the book club I started making music so early that the rapper category kind of got stamped on me really early so I would pass out CDs in school and

Everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time.

So I was in sort of my own category.

Even locally, locally.

I experienced a taste of fame from the age of like 14 on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools.

So

it was unique.

It was unique.

I feel like I know, fuck, what was his name?

Was it like Sammy?

Do you know who I'm talking about?

Sammy Adams.

Sammy Adams from Philly.

And I remember, I know what you're talking about.

I feel like a lot of high school.

I opened for Sammy Adams when I was 18 years old.

Shut the fuck up.

I was 18 years old.

No one was there to see me.

I was playing for his car.

I was fine.

It's right of passage.

Right.

First two I ever went on, like four dates on the East Coast.

We drove ourselves out there.

No one with us, just me, my DJ, and two of my friends.

And we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like,

who the fuck is this?

Like, can Samuel please come out here?

Like, fuck.

Samuel.

This chat kid does not do it for me.

And I was like, you know, no beard, glasses still on.

Like, didn't know how to cut my hair.

Like, it was raw.

It was a very raw time, but it was character building.

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That's kind of funny, the juxtaposition of like you being a rapper and then having like your glasses and like maybe not like looking the part.

Yeah, I think when I was younger, I really was like banking on that juxtaposition.

I think I was like, ooh, this shock value is going to be what does it for me.

And then I think I got to a point where I took the glasses off and like started like tending to how I looked, became slightly more vain.

And I was like, I like looking in the mirror and being pleased.

Like, I don't really want to be tethered to these glasses.

So that's how the shift came about.

Were people in your hometown, like, I feel like sometimes people are assholes at that age, being like, you're a fucking loser.

Stop trying to make it.

Were people around you supportive or were they like you're dumb move on

it was split it was polarizing for people people were it was it was very divisive like people either thought it was super tight that i was doing that or they thought like from a distance they never would say it to me i was i wasn't stuffing the locker material i was you know i was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders like i wasn't I wasn't the high school quarterback, but like nobody was fucking talking to me, you know.

But

there were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me.

And I would hear from other schools that people thought it was lame.

Like, oh, you fucked with that kid.

That shit's terrible.

So it was split.

You know what's funny is like, just so anyone listening, the ladies, like, I think there's something on Google because I was going to give you merch.

And I was like, oh, like, I, I remember I met him at SNL.

I'm like, he's taller than I expected.

And online, there's something of like, he's either 5'8 ⁇ , or he's like 6'2 ⁇ .

And there's like a misconception.

And I think like people think you're shorter than you are.

So I'm here to say you're pretty tall.

Thank you.

So yeah, you weren't getting stuffed into lockers.

Thank you for that, too.

You wouldn't have fit.

That's right.

How would your teachers have described you back then?

If they were British, they would have said cheeky.

I was well liked by my teachers, but I was not focused on school at all.

Good grades, bad grades?

Poor.

Poor.

Mediocre.

Like D's or C's?

C's and D's.

Not failing.

Getting through, but like not focus, cheating endlessly.

Oh.

You know, it's a skill.

Fuck.

The thing is, at the beginning of high school, we signed like a...

Did y'all have to do that?

We signed like an oath.

I was like, fuck, man.

They could take me to court because

I didn't earn my shit.

I'll tell you what.

How far would you go to cheat?

Like, did you have any like tricks?

I had tricks.

Show me the tricks.

Now you're not in school.

Trust me, me, I had tricks.

Okay.

I had tricks.

I was, uh,

I was just in with the smart girls in the classes.

I was in with them.

You could send picture messages when I was in high school.

Like, you know, obviously I didn't grow up in the 60s.

So no, I'm joking.

But

if I had a vibe with a girl, she was covered through it.

11 attachments.

I'm like,

she would bless me, and I'd be like, I owe you.

Seriously.

I'm going to take care of you

because that is a love language right there, ain't it?

Baby, you helped me cheat.

Right?

And you will.

How intimate is that, though?

How intimate is that?

That is special.

And I used to just put my arm around, like, you held me down.

I'm like, oh, I owe you.

I don't know what I owe you, but I owe you something.

We're going to figure it out.

It was the attention, what you gave them, or did you ever hook up with anyone that helped you cheat?

I'm sure

I'm sure I did but I don't think it was I don't know if it was a direct like

debt exchange when I did it yeah but coincidentally I may have but it was love it was love I always had I always had a lot of homegirls like okay

that it didn't have to go anywhere it's just there's nothing like the company of a woman I know I'm in the right arena to be saying that, but I really, I deeply believe that.

Like, it's like, it's so relaxed.

it is yeah we're pretty great yeah but what i can imagine is like did you have a girlfriend in high school ever i did for a portion of it how did that go over with her of you having all these lady friends well she's at another school

let me chill i feel like you play you played a lot of games back in the day it didn't feel like it i just was me i just was i was i'd like to I just like to have friends.

You like to have friends with vaginas.

It's like I want to move on because somehow the wounds seem fresh no matter how long ago it was.

It's just like, yo, let's chill.

Let's chill.

We're literally talking about high school and middle school.

He's like, oh, it's like, yo, like, there's...

She's going to hear this.

How many girlfriends did you have in high school?

I had one.

How long?

A year.

I was on the same shit I'm on now, then.

I'm,

you know, playing the field, you know.

chilling, seeing what's going on.

Oh, assessing the situation.

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

You are funny.

Okay, we're moving on.

What was the major turning point in your career, if you had to say, like one big moment where you're like, oh, people fucking know me now?

I mean, what's poppin was a huge one.

There was little steps up till then.

Like, there's a lot of people that approach me and tell me at different times in the late 2010s, they became aware of me.

Like, had these records that would go viral on Twitter from, like, 2017, 2018, 2019.

So it was building, it was building.

And then it took this big jump with what's popping.

And and I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and be like and that was when I was like oh okay it's here we go just I'm out in public I'm not in my hometown and people are stopping me so

that must be so crazy like now understanding that you always kind of were like recognizable in Kentucky But then to go somewhere else and be like, oh fuck, I think I'm like famous now.

How do you handle that?

Do you like it?

It's very validating.

I mean, especially overseas.

Like, walking through New Zealand and Australia, and people, people know it's like

you feel that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back.

So

it feels really good.

It feels good.

Do you like the New Zealand women?

Yeah.

What country have you like, maybe like the most of the ladies?

Who shows you the most love outside of the U.S.?

I really like

London.

Those women know how to talk.

You know what I mean?

They know how to talk.

You like a woman that talks a lot?

Yeah, and I like.

Well, yeah.

You spun that a certain way.

Shut the fuck up.

To a point.

Hey, let me tell you something.

You are funny.

You are funny.

You're kind of funny.

I mean, I assumed you were.

Yeah.

But this is proof right here.

Okay, thanks.

I just think

the women over there

have a certain wit and a certain, you know, they just are.

Cheeky.

They're cheeky and they feel like they read a lot of books growing up.

You like a strong, confident, smart woman?

All those sound good.

What's your type?

I just like sweethearts, man.

I like sweet-ass girls.

I like sweet-ass girls.

So if a girl's playing a game with you, are you like, no?

Like, do you like a girl that's like, hi, Jack, like, I like you?

Or are you saying just like sweet, nice-hearted, but like, maybe they can kind of get it?

I'm not saying a girl has to like be a pushover, let me walk all over her.

That's not what I mean by sweet.

I just mean that I don't like mean-spirited energy at all.

And I don't like toxicity.

I don't, that's not one of my fetishes.

And I know that's, that's gone right now.

There's a lot of guys that are into that.

They love it.

I have no patience for it.

And I'm glad you asked about games.

I don't want to play any game.

I just want.

to enjoy.

And that's right now.

That's who I am right now.

If you ask me this when I turn 30, who knows?

Maybe you're playing the games at 30.

Hopefully not.

Maybe you're stirring up the toxic.

There's no telling.

I'm just saying

it may shift from sweet to like, yo, I need a woman that is, that challenges the fuck out of me and is at this level, is above me, this and that.

It's like, it's just where I am right now.

Like, maybe you want a woman that's like making the bread.

I mean, it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world.

Yeah.

You mentioned when you were talking about vulnerability, I'm like, what's your biggest insecurity when you were younger?

And like, do you still feel that way?

I think when I was really young, my teeth were pre-braces.

My teeth made it, you know, when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked.

Me too.

It's a common one.

That was one.

Did you get braces where like you would like decorate with the colors on the little?

I think I had some blue shit going on.

But like Halloween time, you didn't do like black and orange?

No, but you did.

I didn't.

It was like disgusting.

Like I look back and I'm like, it looks like there's like carrots and black beans in my mouth.

It don't matter then.

But no, no one could totally see that.

I could totally see you at at 11 years old.

Oh my god, I had two big front teeth and no one wanted to finger me.

No one wanted to touch me, Jack.

I was always the girl, like, never on the top five.

Never getting fingered.

Never.

DM, damn, damn.

I got the craziest story about fingering.

Okay, sure.

I low-key wanted to take this shit to NBC, but we're here.

You already brought up fingering.

I just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had.

Okay, here we go.

In middle school.

Okay, here we go.

So I had this chick I was messing with,

seventh or eighth grade, I think eighth grade.

And

she was touching me, I was touching her, and

a little bit of pre-come, like, got on her hands and my hands.

And you know about pre-come, so.

So then I fingered my girlfriend in middle school.

And

the next day she hit me and she's like, yo, I think I missed my period.

And I'm like, now hold on.

And I start to, my mind starts racing.

My mind starts racing, thinking about it all.

And we meet up at the buses and I'm like,

you know, I had pre-comb on my fingers when I was touching you.

I don't know if, do you think, and she was like,

and then days went by.

I remember, I swear to God,

I remember it so vividly.

She texted me.

I asked her, I'm like, did you get it?

And she's like, I still didn't get it.

My period.

And thunder struck outside my window.

Thunder struck.

And I was like, fuck.

And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant.

And I couldn't tell anybody.

I didn't have nobody to talk to.

I'm like, we're having a baby.

Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody.

Cause it was like, what the fuck are you doing fingering somebody?

And little do you know if you told your parents, they'd be like, let us teach you a little thing about sex.

It would have been such a relief.

So it's my birthday weekend, ruining my 12th or 13th birthday.

And I remember being at school, and I just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going into class, and I just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling.

Like, I start fucking crying because I'm so convinced I just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything.

And

it was just dark, dark, dark.

And then after school, I just was like down in the dumps.

I couldn't tell anyone why.

And then she came to me and she's like, I got my period.

And I was so relieved.

So relieved.

But that was a

That was one of my first tastes of grown-up anxiety.

Did you use condoms ever since?

Yes.

On my fingers, too.

Wrap that shit up.

You know it.

Every time you have sex, you use a condom.

And everyone should.

Have you ever had sex without a condom?

I've always wanted to.

You think you'll ever get of a go?

Maybe after marriage.

Oh, you'll let it go, raw.

Yeah.

What do you think you'll feel like?

I lost my virginity, raw, actually.

And goddamn, it was great.

In that moment, I was like, oh, shit.

Because

it had taken me and her weeks to get it in because I didn't know you had to wet it up.

So

I was putting dry on dry.

I was putting a dry dick against a dry.

And I was like, shit, I'm like, this motherfucker won't go.

And then, and then

I just,

it just fell in.

And I was like, I remember I was in that motherfucker.

I looked down at her.

I was like, oh, we're going to be here for a minute if I'm lucky.

And I started,

and then 45 seconds left,

we gone.

I was like, I gotta,

I'm out to, I'm out to.

But it's so funny.

It's so stupid, but it is an amazing moment when you first feel that.

And it's good.

I know they teach us around that time, you're getting all this promotion, all this propaganda.

Put a condom on.

In my head, I'm like, all right, all right.

Like, come on, like, I'm going to, but on my first go, I'm not going to, I'm not going to have a barrier between me and that moment.

I want to feel that shit.

Thank God I did because I was like, this is why this is humanity.

I felt humanity in one stroke.

I felt the cause of humanity in one stroke.

We know you love Dua Lipa.

What other celebrities are you crushing on?

There's someone, but I don't think it's mutual, so.

Oh.

I don't really want to talk about it.

Yeah, but like, what if you, like, put it out into the world and it, like...

And it's not time yet.

It's not time.

Can you give it a woman in?

She's beautiful.

Well, fucking obviously.

Well, there's only a few.

No, I'm joking.

You're doing great.

What does it say?

Just in case you're doubting yourself.

About this interview?

Yeah, you're doing great.

Thank you.

You're doing great.

Thank you.

I like your purple pants, your pink outfit.

It goes...

Did you match it to the studio or just that happen chance?

Like it didn't?

I didn't match it to the studio, but there was something about the fit that felt appropriate.

You kind of look like you're the host of this show.

You fit more into this room than me.

At the moment, but you run this shit.

Let's be fucking honest.

The fuck.

But

I'll tell you, I'll give you something.

Okay.

I like a girl next door anyway.

So I don't need any internet presence.

I like me a librarian.

I like a waitress.

Would you like a nurse?

You don't know me.

You don't know me.

You must not know.

I've written a song about nurses.

We really girls wear scrubs in my shows.

And I'm not being funny.

Okay, let's role play.

You're trying to impress me.

you're taking me on a date yeah

walk me through what we're doing where we're going what's the vibe

i really like going to dinner and obviously that's not revolutionary but that's just one of my favorite pastimes honestly i love going out to dinner with or without a girl like i just love it i think i would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is and we run it i don't know i don't

I'm not the most extravagant, but I like to be somewhere quiet.

I don't want music blaring i don't want to be yelling over something i want to be with you in a dark corner in a booth and i want us to be able to get as close as we want to get and

you know exchange smiles whisper in each other's ear like true intimacy that's like if i really want to go on a date with a girl i want to be i don't want to go to a movie i don't want to go do an activity i want to be I want to be how you and I are right now, but there ain't no marble table between us.

Like, I want to be on each other.

When was your last serious relationship?

sometime in the last couple years how long did it last a couple years have you ever been in love i'd like to think so how many times

potentially once well i hear people describe love and i'm like god damn like that is something that is something

but

I don't know if I've been intoxicated.

Like, I felt deep infatuation.

But I've been in love with someone once.

I've been in love with someone and loved someone and

i felt that but i don't know if i felt the highest heights i've seen other people go i've seen people just lose themselves in it and it's like i'm not it's not a criticism of it i'm more just like wow like that is a deep rush like i ain't never had that yeah yeah okay i bet you will one day thank you and then i think maybe you'll say oh like now i'm really in love well that's how it seems to go right i mean my high school girlfriend like

there might have been a sense of like oh we're in love love, and then you have another one after that, and you're like, no, this is it, and then you have another, yeah, but don't you that maybe it's just also life, like, maybe you're not capable in high school, like, you actually were in that moment in love of what you were keeping.

Yeah, you just keep dialing in your preferences, and suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then, and you're like, oh, yeah, this is what the fuck I've been looking for.

Yeah, a brunette that's sweet in a nurse outfit,

done.

Oh, you just gave me chills.

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I want to discuss some of your song lyrics.

You say,

I'm vanilla baby i'll choke you but i ain't no killer baby

you're smacking the delivery

on a scale of vanilla

to kinky

where are you at in your sex game

five five weak ass answer right come on well it's just like

I have

I have my kinks I can't front but

I also

if you ask the woman I'm with it's like they're like god damn I wish I could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on top I'm like I'm not arching my back he's not putting nothing in my ass like I'm sorry it's me it's me it's just so everybody's got their thing but I had to be coaxed I had to be taught I had to I had to learn

I had to learn how to talk during Sachs yeah so

when I was 19 yeah I was just like I was a breather

but I started to I started to figure that out.

And so,

you know, people ask for what they want, and you're like, some of it, you're like, okay, this is actually turning me up.

But then some of it, like the lyric and the song, is like, I'll do that for you.

It's not making my dick harder.

But I know it's not, it's not about me in that moment.

Can you help me understand?

We got vanilla and we got kinky and you're in the middle.

So I'm going to say something to you and you're going to tell me if it's vanilla or kinky.

Okay

missionary sex

The best as good as it gets.

It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it?

Don't you think sometimes people think missionary would be vanilla, but if you do it the right way.

I know they think it is.

It's fine with me.

That's how we got going though.

That's how the Homo erectus was like that's that's default Like, let's just face facts, it's default.

We've been oversexualized as a culture, and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose

and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes.

Like, come on, like, there's nothing better, there's nothing better, and everybody has their own preferences.

That's fine.

It's not objective, but it feels pretty close to objective.

Like, what?

You can get in there, like, yeah, in there.

But I think some people really don't want to look at each other because they're like, I fucking hate you, but just let's fuck.

But you're not like that.

You're making sweet love.

Typically, every once in a while, you gotta roll the motherfucker over.

But yeah, yeah, yeah.

What is your favorite sex position?

We just spent the last 10 minutes.

That is it?

If I didn't ask you, you don't know what they call me?

No.

Wow.

What do they call you?

You know I make music, right?

Fuck off.

MJ.

MJ.

No, they don't.

You call yourself that.

Nah, that's...

I don't know why.

I got that nickname as a young child.

My grandma called me that at two years old, Missionary Jack.

Wow.

I was two years old.

My grandma, you know, that Simba had that shit?

She wiped some of that shit on my head and she's like, he's going to love missionary.

What do you think about whips and chains?

Obviously, it's in your song.

I like no whips and chains, but you can't hold me down.

It's a no-go.

I'm Benoodle, baby.

I choke.

I love your takes on my voice.

I'm 28, telling me I'm still a baby.

No, I don't like whips and chains.

I don't want to be tired.

Sucking her toes.

Whose?

The girl you're hooking up with.

If she said Jack.

It would take the right woman.

There's someone I could bring it out of me, though.

I know it.

Maybe it's the person earlier that you said you didn't want to say it.

Perhaps.

Yep.

Sexting.

Crucial.

Crucial.

Hot take.

Are you the guy that's sending the paragraphs?

Oh, the romance novels?

Are you putting like

then I bend you over and breathe in your ear?

Furthermore, we move forward.

I do a lot of, I just like to read with my left hand.

Keep going.

That too?

I like quickfire.

And that's how I text.

I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after another.

So I'll send somebody 13 texts in a row.

I just hate when I read the paragraph if a man has ever sexted me and it's like first.

And I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, here we go.

It's like, then.

Moving forward.

And you're like, let's just.

Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft.

I can go out.

Once they go like that, you're like, yeah, that's a good effort.

My next question was a finger in the butthole.

I don't want nothing in my ass, but

I don't mind somebody.

You know, sifting.

Sifting.

Sifting.

Credit carding, you know what I'm saying?

That's very intimate.

I like being a little spoon anyway.

I don't mind somebody scratching my back and then saying,

What about a little lick?

I can fuck with that.

I can get cleaned up.

I see why you run this shit.

You are funny.

You are funny.

I feel like your DMs are going to be scary after this episode.

Daddy Gang goes hard.

Girls, listen to this.

only a few i'll just tell you well how do you feel about hand jobs

traumatized i mean my first pregnancy almost came for months

uh

i remember i i used to love me a hand job really

and i still i still i'm a fan it has to be moisturized but yeah i like it but i just remember

That girlfriend I had, she used to stand in front of me at events and she would just work my shit over my jeans.

I swear I'd look at that motherfucker later, that bitch was bruised.

But at the moment, it was like

over the jeans, you know what I'm saying?

Just working my shit.

I'm leaving there.

I've never given one of those.

Do you suggest?

It's too late for you.

It's too late for you now.

You pass that period.

What's your best skill in the bedroom?

R D

rhythm and dialogue

rhythm and dialogue

rhythm underrated

just like me

misunderstood too

do you think you're misunderstood

I just I guess I just feel like

I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in I don't know.

What are you saying in the bedroom?

What are you doing over there?

Are you now after you went through your breathing faiths?

Because that's like.

Because now I don't breathe.

There is.

I had work to be done and

met somebody older than me.

And so I think it just turned my dialogue up.

They said, let me teach you.

Yeah.

And it got out of it.

It just became very like.

Express what you feel right now.

Just express it.

You don't need no lines you wrote earlier.

Say what you feel right this moment.

So, to anyone watching out there,

that's what I recommend.

Literally, stream of consciousness is the best thing you can do.

Like, what are you feeling against your flesh right now?

Describe it.

If you can vividly describe it, talk about it, talk about how you feel about it,

what you want,

what you want for them.

Say it, let it be known.

Literature:

Are you good at detecting if a woman is faking an orgasm?

Damn.

No, I'm not.

So sad.

So many women have probably faked it.

You're awesome.

Like, think about all the women.

I mean, surely.

Surely.

They want to go to dinner later.

For sure, because you're going to pay.

And, like, you know what it is.

They want the Uber ride home.

Come on.

Let's talk about your new single.

It is really good.

Thank you.

It's like.

It's nice to see you say something so earnest.

I know it was hard for you.

I know you're switching right back into character here shortly, but that moment meant a lot to me.

It is really good.

Thank you.

It's so catchy.

It's

the Jack Harlow we know and love.

And I think it must, can you talk to me, though, how it must feel?

Like, when you see, it's, like,

so popular right now, trending on, as we know, TikTok is so important right now for, like, music also.

What does it feel like when you wake up and you're like, everyone's making a fucking TikTok about my song?

Impact is always so validating.

And I dropped an album earlier this year called Jackman.

that I would say like

wasn't even in the TikTok universe.

Obviously, there's people on TikTok because so many people are on there that took it in, but it wasn't a TikTok moment the way this has been or first class has been.

And that album meant the world to me, and it was extremely introspective and personal.

I love it.

It might be my best work thus far.

And

then to pivot back into something that is high-octane, just fun, and like it comes on, and it's like, it's not, it's not serious.

It's like, let's enjoy ourselves feels really good because a lot of what I was making this year is intimate.

It's intimate.

It's for the headphones.

It's personal experience.

This song is like, you can feel it.

You want to play it at a show.

Yeah.

Is that annoying, though?

Like, as musicians watch, it's like, it's kind of wild how influential TikTok is right now.

Like, there are people that their whole career started because they hit one beat in one song and people are like, who the fuck is this?

So like, is it annoying?

Do you ever have to think of like what's going to work and like what would maybe be better on social media?

Well, for example, like that album I put out, I didn't make a single TikTok for it because it was like this ain't that.

But this song I knew like I had such a feeling about it.

Like I just want to because I know as soon as it came on, I was playing it for people.

And it just felt like something like the masses need to hear this.

So

of course you put some thought into like, yeah, I feel like this is gonna, they're gonna fuck with this.

But I don't know if it's annoying.

I mean, it's

where fucking culture is, and culture continues to move.

There was something 10 years ago that was happening to the music industry that was so annoying for people.

I mean, the streaming switch, there's a world of people like, oh, this is.

And

TikTok is a weapon.

It's a vehicle.

And of course, there's people that are working on there, but longevity is longevity.

So we're going to eventually see

who

translates it to something more.

But it's the weapon right now.

Yeah.

It's what it is.

It's crazy.

It's so,

it's crazy.

It's unbelievable.

What is your writing process like?

I like you in this bag.

You do?

I didn't know you had this in you.

Yeah.

I'm a businesswoman.

I can tell.

I'm joking.

We can joke around.

I'll see how much range you got.

Thank you.

My writing process,

typically I walk through life, have conversations, and I'll say something to somebody.

Like we're talking here, and a first line will appear to me.

And I'll be like, oh, that's a good way to start a song.

And I'll just write the first line down.

And suddenly I'll have this collection of first lines on my notes.

So then I go in the studio and a beat plays.

And if I love a beat, I put it on and I start running through the first lines and saying different first lines on the beat.

And one of them just will slide right into place.

Like it'll just be like,

and then my song starts.

It's not always what it is, but for me, that has what has happened to me so many times.

It's like I come up, and if you notice a lot of my songs, I put an emphasis on the first line.

Like I really care about the first thing you hear being like, okay, here we go.

And like Tyler Hero for me, the ones that hate me the most look just like me.

Like, that was something I just had been wanting to say.

And you're just waiting for a beat to place it.

That's so interesting.

And then you take the other ones and hold them until you find another beat for them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Or something.

And then you have the occasion, like on Loving On Me.

Vanilla Baby was I heard the beat and he was talking about I don't like no whips and chains and I was like, okay, I get the subject matter.

And the first thing I thought of was like, oh, vanilla, baby.

And you just mumble something out, and you're like, okay, I'm in a groove.

Let me lay this down.

So sometimes the beat dictates it.

You just get a feeling.

That's so crazy.

So, do you a lot of times go in there and since you're recording, like, you'll just say a bunch of random shit that will stick, and then you can listen back and be like, oh, I like this one.

It's like, it gets too messy for me.

Yeah.

And then you end up loving how you did something and you compromise.

You write a weak line just because you want that bounce.

So I try,

I prefer to have the words written before I go in the booth.

Yep.

And a lot of my songs are one take like first time I laid it down because it was so it was practiced before I got in there.

Yeah

How long so it doesn't take you that long to record a song

Depends if it's going most good songs don't take long because you're not getting in the way of there's no self-doubt flooding it like it's just flowing and whatever's sending it down to you you're vomiting it out instead of like oh I shouldn't say that.

Ooh, they're not gonna like that.

Ooh, they're gonna like this.

That's when you get stuck and you only have three lines and it's been two hours.

Yeah.

But when it's gone, it's just,

you can't stop it.

What is it like when you go into the studio?

I feel like so many people have like a certain vibe they need.

Like, are you,

do you have a lot of people in the studio?

Do you have no one?

Do you set a vibe?

Do you like candles?

Do you need certain snacks?

Like, what's your idea?

I used to want to be alone.

I didn't want people in there.

I thought.

I don't want to be judged.

I want to be able to be myself.

And I actually realized what brings me out is an audience, someone to impress.

Whether that's the producers in the room, maybe I invite a girl through and you just activate your swag a little bit because you want to walk out of the booth and have those two people, those four people be like, yo, you fucking.

Because they're a crowd of 10,000 people in that moment.

So if you have someone to impress, it goes a really long way.

I'm always impressed by people that can like, I can write really.

Intimate introspective stuff alone because I'm alone.

Yeah.

But to make bangers, like where I'm popping shit and it's compelling and has conviction, I need an audience.

I could see that.

Like you almost start to flex a little bit more and like you'll go for stuff more.

You posture and

you're trying to, you know, you're trying to impress the person in the room.

And oftentimes they made the beat.

And so it's this exchange.

They play you the beat and they're like, you got to fuck this up.

And you're like, I'm about to fuck this up for you.

And you go in there, you lay something, you come out, y'all both listen to it and you start.

And it's like, it's euphoric.

All you want in that because there's no one else there.

All you want in that moment is the people you're with to be like, you killed killed that.

That's fire.

You might write based on who's there because you know they'll like if I do this.

I'm so happy for you.

I feel like why I love doing this is because like, as much as we joke, like getting to know you, being younger, running through the streets, like giving your mixtapes out, handing people CDs.

Like, it's cool to see someone that always knew what they wanted to do and then doing it, even if you don't have like the biggest stage and like still running with it.

And then to get to where you are now and seeing your success.

Like, thank you.

Congratulations.

It's really cool.

You strike me as somebody that's very driven and knows what they want to, so I appreciate that.

Thank you.

Thank you.

What should fans expect to see from you next?

I'm active.

I'm feeling good.

I can't lie.

I'm ready to keep coming.

I ain't going on hiatus.

I'll say that.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

More coming.

Oh, yeah.

I think we want that.

I'm hungry.

I know we want that.

I'm hungry.

I'm very hungry.

I can tell.

I have a chip on my shoulder.

And you should keep it that way.

I will.

For as long as I can, it's going to be sitting there.

I'm really excited to see what comes next for your career.

This new song is amazing.

Obviously, we all want another album, tours, all the good things.

But for now, we will take the song.

And I love it.

Thank you.

I really do.

Thank you.

It's such a vibe.

I've been listening to it like an annoying amount.

That's wonderful.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's what I need.

Jack, thank you so much.

It's been a pleasure.

I'm not just saying that.

It's fun, right?

It's been fun.

Thank you.

Thank you for taking it easy on me, low-key.

You didn't really gave me a choice, but I didn't want to like disrespect you and like push you too much.

That's nice of you.

Thank you.

Thank you for coming on Caller Daddy.

Thanks for having me.

We did it.

We did it.

That wasn't that bad, right?

That was wonderful.

That was fun.

That's a hit.

That's a hit.

That's a hit.

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